Ex-CIA Agent EXPOSES Epstein Charlie Kirk and Mossads Influence Over America

➡ In a podcast, ex-CIA operative Andrew Bustamante discusses various topics including the CIA’s methods, the Epstein case, and Israel’s influence. He suggests that Epstein was likely an FBI informant rather than a CIA or Mossad asset. He also discusses the power dynamics between the FBI, CIA, and the government, and how they handle information. Lastly, he talks about the similarities in thinking between criminals and CIA agents, focusing on the concept of probabilities.
➡ The text discusses the lack of transparency in the U.S. government, suggesting that important information is often kept from the public. It implies that the government, regardless of political party, works to maintain its power and control, often at the expense of truth. The text also touches on the potential involvement of organized crime in significant historical events, suggesting that such information is kept secret to maintain national security. Lastly, it criticizes the myth of the U.S. as a land of equal opportunity, arguing that the reality is far from this ideal.
➡ The speaker expresses concern about the current state of leadership, suggesting it is morally bankrupt and focused more on raising money than governing. He warns of potential future difficulties for the nation, but believes that recognizing and addressing these issues can lead to success. The speaker also discusses his book, “Shadow Cell”, which reveals previously undisclosed information about the CIA. He compares the CIA to the mob, noting similarities in their operations, and encourages listeners to seek out reliable information amidst widespread corruption.
➡ The text discusses the demanding nature of working for the FBI and CIA, emphasizing the need for education, training, and a strong character. It suggests that these agencies might collaborate with criminal organizations to achieve their goals. The speaker also encourages the audience to read the book “Shadow Cell” and to stay informed about government actions, emphasizing that collective action can bring about change. Finally, the speaker wishes everyone safety, health, and blessings, especially with Thanksgiving approaching.
➡ The text discusses the concept of corruption in government, suggesting that while the U.S. government may not be as corrupt as others worldwide, it still has its issues. It also explores the idea of control, arguing that the government doesn’t aim to control its citizens, but rather to direct their actions for the benefit of the national economy. The text further delves into the tactics used by the CIA to influence individuals, using methods of mirroring and motivation rather than outright control. Lastly, it suggests that these tactics can be seen as either manipulation or motivation, depending on perspective.
➡ The text discusses various techniques used by CIA agents to gather information, including using alcohol to loosen people’s inhibitions and a trick to avoid getting drunk themselves. It also talks about the lack of communication between different government agencies, which led to missed warnings about the 9/11 attacks. The text suggests that government agencies are not as efficient as we might think, and that they often prioritize internal politics over their actual missions.
➡ The government’s reward system for its employees is outdated and ineffective, often offering minimal recognition for significant work. This, combined with outdated technology and a slow pace of change, makes it difficult for the government to attract and retain talented individuals. The government’s size and rigidity make it challenging to adapt to modern needs, straying far from the original vision of the founding fathers. Despite these issues, it’s believed that the government can realign itself to better serve and protect its people, while maintaining its strength and dominance.
➡ The speaker emphasizes their commitment to protecting and helping America, even if it means standing against those who pose a threat. They share a personal story about their early life of shoplifting and selling candy, which led to a realization about the thin line between being a hero and a villain. They also discuss their time at the CIA, where they learned that everyone has a moment where they choose between right and wrong. Lastly, they debunk a conspiracy theory about Israel’s influence, explaining that it’s based on incomplete information and a global bias against Israel.
➡ The text discusses the unlikely scenario of Israel assassinating a conservative American influencer due to the potential negative consequences, or “blowback”. It also compares the CIA and Mossad, highlighting the CIA’s larger scale and budget, but Mossad’s effectiveness in high-risk operations. The text further debunks the idea of Israel controlling the U.S., attributing any perceived influence to savvy geopolitical maneuvering rather than conspiracy. Lastly, it emphasizes the need to distinguish between the Israeli government and Jewish people, to avoid anti-Semitism.
➡ The text discusses the confusion between criticizing Israeli policies and anti-Semitism, the incompetence of government representatives, the failure of socialism in countries like France, and the economic crisis in the United States. It emphasizes the need for understanding the difference between criticizing a nation’s policies and attacking a faith, the dangers of socialism, and the impending economic crisis due to the U.S.’s massive debt. The text suggests that the only way out of the economic crisis is to face a second Great Depression, which would correct the value of the currency and share the burden of deflation. It warns that ignoring the issue could lead to the disappearance of the middle class and increased poverty.
➡ The speaker, a former CIA operative, initially struggled to find work after leaving the agency due to his unique skill set. However, he eventually used his spy skills to secure a job and excel in it, leading to multiple promotions. In 2019, he started his own company to teach these skills to others, helping them succeed in their businesses. He believes that understanding and managing human behavior, a key aspect of spy work, is crucial for business success.
➡ The speaker shares his life experiences, highlighting his achievements and the lessons he’s learned. He emphasizes the importance of learning from those who have achieved success and criticizes those who violate the trust of others, particularly politicians. He also discusses his views on morality, distinguishing between moral flexibility and immorality. Lastly, he shares a valuable lesson from his father about lying, stating that it’s acceptable to lie to protect someone, but never to harm them.

Your whole job as a CIA agent is really to learn how to manipulate people. Absolutely. Sometimes you want to steal secrets, sometimes we want to find a way to create sabotage. CIA thinks very much like criminal enterprises because what CIA does is illegal. FBI had mounds of information. CIA had mounds of information. And it wasn’t until the buildings came crashing down. Thousands, thousands of people were dead. Al Qaeda claimed a massive victory. The world was in panic. And then somebody said, let’s take a look at how we miss this. When I look at this Epstein case, the CIA asset piece is the lowest probability.

With the Charlie Kirk, there’s a lot of influences that are blaming Israel. Does Israel wield the power that people are thinking? I’m only hearing this currently. In the last several months, Israel almost controls the United States, controls the world. I mean, is this true? We can keep ignoring it until we basically have a cancer that’s so bad that our middle class disappears, our poverty stricken classes start to literally die because they can’t afford life. And the wealthy just continue to insulate their own to make sure that that becomes who runs the country. Hey everyone, welcome to another sit down with Michael Francis.

Hope everybody is doing well, all is very good, very blessed on this end. And as always, my friends, I give all the praise, honor, glory and thanksgiving to our God for that. I’ve had many special guests on this podcast today I have someone that’s kind of different. I would say I’ve spoken to ex FBI agents, ex law enforcement people. But today, the first time that really I’ll be speaking to a, an ex CIA operative. Both him and his wife were CIA operatives. His name is Andrew Bustamante, you might have seen him before. Very intelligent guy. And I’m really looking forward to this conversation people because I’m going to get into a lot of different things, unbiased, a lot of different things.

I’m going to ask him about the Charlie Kirk situation. I’m going to ask him about Israel, I’m going to ask him about Mandami, a socialist now mayor that we have in New York. I’m going to ask him about Epstein. Of course, from a CIA perspective. A lot of stuff has been floating around about the Israelis, about Epstein, about. And this is going to be unbiased. I have no clue what this guy is going to answer. I have no idea what his feelings are. But he is ex CIA and he should be extremely knowledgeable about some of the things that have been going around about all of these situations and all of these issues that we’re talking about.

So I’m looking forward to it. Again, unbiased. I’m not going to hold anything back. Let’s see what he has to say. My very special guest, Andrew Bustamante. Well, you know, I have to start off with something, Andrew. That’s probably the hottest topic, unfortunately, of the day, and that is the whole Jeffrey Epstein matter and all the, you know, talk around him being a. An operative for the Israeli operative for the CIA. Based upon your knowledge and experience, what do you. What can you say about that? Such a great question. Because I, too, am just a layperson right now.

I only have access to what the government shares with us publicly. And my estimate on Jeffrey Epstein has changed over time as new information has come out. And I actually, I love that I think I get to have this conversation with you because where I land on it currently, based on the available information, is that he was most likely an intelligence asset, but not for any of the normal, you know, typical intelligence categories. He wasn’t Mossad, he wasn’t CIA. He could have been. You can see how there’s attractiveness to both. But probability wise, he was most likely an intelligence source for FBI.

Really, an FBI CI. And I don’t know if you ever came in contact with an FBI officer that tried to approach you with something similar. Oh, absolutely, absolutely. Yeah. So then you already know a CI, a covert informant, is a protected category of criminal where the FBI or the judicial department, they know that that person’s committing crimes, and they’re using the crimes that that person commits as a leveraging tool, a negotiating tool, to get them to basically narc on larger criminals that are part of their network. So Jeffrey Epstein did some nasty shit, without a doubt.

But what FBI is really concerned with isn’t crimes of sexual abuse and trafficking and racketeering. That’s not what their primary goal is, because they know racketeering is hard to prove, and they know that sex crimes are a different level of success than, say, conspiratorial or corrupt politicians. And Epstein was connected to so many corrupt politicians, not just in the US but abroad. It makes complete sense that FBI would have approached him. FBI would have said, you’re doing terrible things. We could send you to jail. Or you can agree to collaborate with us. We will carve out your current crimes.

You won’t be held criminally liable for those crimes that you commit in support of our larger operation. That’s where my predominant theory is taking me now. Wow. I’ve never heard that before. I never thought of it. But, you know, I recently did a A piece on the FBI’s, I would say negligence when they found out that he was dead. Their offices are right across the street from the prison, from the jail, I would say, because I was in that jail. I know, right. It took them seven hours to get to the crime scene. The FBI, seven hours.

I said, why? You know, they would have been called immediately, I would assume by the Bureau of Prisons. And yet they took that long. So maybe there is something. Are you of the belief that he definitely wasn’t CIA or Mossad? I don’t have a definite opinion. CIA teaches us to look at everything through probabilities. You know, one of the things that I really like about ever getting to sit down with former criminals, current criminals, convicted criminals, we think very much alike. CIA thinks very much like criminal enterprises because what CIA does is illegal. We’re just protected.

We’re a protected category under American law where we’re allowed to commit espionage if it’s against foreign targets and it benefits national security. If it doesn’t do both of those things, it’s still illegal for us too. So we’re trained systematically to think the way criminals learn to think. Through life on the streets, through the school of hard knocks, through on the job training. So we look at everything through probabilities. There’s no guarantee of anything in life, but you can take certain steps and make certain actions and assess certain information to determine when is the right time to have the most likely success and the least chance of failure.

That is 100% how criminals think. That’s not how the average person thinks. The average person wants guarantees. The average person doesn’t take action because there is no guarantee of success. Criminals take action all the time based on probabilities of success, based on a mix of controllable and uncontrollable inputs. That’s how CIA teaches us to think. So that’s why when I look at this Epstein case, there’s no guarantee he wasn’t CIA. But of the three predominant theories, FBI, CI, foreign intelligence source, or known CIA recruited asset, the CIA asset piece is the lowest probability, where the other two are much higher.

Wow. You know, and I do know, obviously you know, the FBI comes to the rescue of, of their informants, no doubt about it. And, but you know, wouldn’t we have seen cases built upon his information? But then again, how would we know that? Yeah, how would we know that and what FBI is the most and the reason I really feel like this theory carries the most weight, most gravitas is because it would the pomp and circumstance where the president, who sits in the executive branch, continues to say, release the files. Release the files. You know, let the House vote on the files.

It’s all a. It’s a. It’s a show. It’s. It’s staged theater. Because the executive knows he has the power over the judicial branch, but the people don’t know that. So he can say, hey, Congress, part of the legislative branch, you have to do this thing that forces the judicial branch to take action, even though he knows he could do it, too. And then that puts all the pressure on Congress. And even if Congress votes to have the files released, the Justice Department still gets to determine what gets released, what gets redacted, whether a hundred files are there and 100 files are released or only 95 files are released.

Because to your exact point, the. The details of what’s in there and the accusations that will spread from that throughout our government, whether it’s the president or a congressman or state governor or a professional athlete, that’s all gonna fall under different jurisprudence within the. Judith. The Justice Department to decide whether or not it gets released to the public the first. If the files are released, they’ll be released to the House, to the Congress. Congress gets to look first before any human, before any American citizen gets to look. And then they will take. And they’ll make their redactions, and they’ll send it back to the Justice Department, who will make their redactions.

And then after everybody has had their dirty trail redacted with a black marker, then maybe it’ll go to a reading room where you and I can read it. So the bottom line is we’ll never get to the truth. Never. And we’re not supposed to get to the truth. The thing that is happening now is people are starting to learn the unfortunate truth that I think you and I have always known. The government doesn’t have to tell us anything. They. They hold their secrets because as a representative republic, we have voted. We’ve used our rights to give them position and power to decide what they tell us and what they don’t tell us.

That’s how the United States was built. It wasn’t built for transparency. It was built so that a small representative group, a group of elites, know all the information, make all the decisions. And we little peons, we farm every day of the week, we manufacture every day of the week, we pay our taxes every day of the week. And we only have to think critically once every two years. Wow. You know, it’s something that you suspect, but to hear it from Somebody like you, it really confirms it. Somebody. What you experience, Let me ask you, do you.

I have to ask you this too. Going back to the whole Kennedy situation, I’ve been asked this a million times because I believe the Warren Commission report was absolute nonsense. And based upon what I’ve been told by the right sources in my former life, there’s no question that Jack Ruby was involved with us and that he was designated to take Oswald out. Absolute fact, no question about it. I would, I would take that to my grave. That’s how much I believe it. But everybody denies that. And I’ve said the reason for that is I don’t think that those classified documents would ever be revealed.

My, my take on that, and you just clarified something, is that because they would never want the American people of the world to know that a President was taken out by the mob in any way, shape or form. Does that make sense to you? And the reason I’m asking, because so, so many people have asked me this, it makes complete sense when you think of it logically. The only reason that the federal government has the legal ability to continue to reclassify information after, after time has passed is if it still has real world implications on national security.

So the typical intelligence report is classified as something called 25×2, which means 25 years times two cycles. So any intelligence report that’s being written right now, anywhere in the world by a CIA officer is going to be immediately classified at the highest level for 50 years. By default. By default. And that’s been in place for many, many decades. So now if we go all the way back to the Kennedy era, every intelligence report by FBI, CIA, NSA, DoD, they’re all default marked 25×2. When Donald Trump was going back and promising to reveal the Kennedy files, it was, it was already beyond that 50 year mark.

But the 25×2 was up for debate. Like this was. We had, we’ve met the minimum criteria, now we can legally release these files. So in that secondary review, the only way that they could maintain those files and reclassify them for another 2.5×2 is if they had current real world implications. So that absolutely confirms what you’re saying. If the mob had any role to play in the assassination of a President, organized crime had any role to play in the assassination of a President, and that became public knowledge, would that increase or decrease our national security status? Yeah, it would decrease it significantly.

It would give foreign enemies the chance to start working with organized crime, it would weaponize foreign organized crime organizations, and it would make the sitting president and all the candidates who are considering becoming sitting presidents. It would deter them from taking office because they would realize, holy shit, we can’t stop organized crime. The world doesn’t need another wine. It really needs a reason to raise a glass again, a reason that’s real. A reason that means something. Because most people, they drink to forget. We drink to remember where we came from, what we stand for, and who we still fight to become.

We don’t follow trends, we break them. Our bottles don’t look like anyone else’s because our story, it isn’t like anyone else’s. It’s about freedom, about redemption, about family. That’s what’s inside every bottle. So to the ones who think different, who live different, who drink different. Sol, The. The myth of the United States is that we are law abiding, fair, equal opportunity. Right? We are the place where you go when you want opportunity. That’s not really true. We are fairer, we are freer, we are more secure than our competitive countries. But we are not the most in all categories.

We are not the best in all categories. And we’re certainly not consistent from year to year. So we survive by propagating that myth. Because as long as we all believe that we’re safe, we focus on what we’re supposed to do and what we’re supposed to do. Like we discussed earlier, Pay your taxes, do your job, farm your land, manufacture in the, in the factory, like that’s what you’re supposed to do. Be happy, have sex, make babies, and ensure the continuation of the population. The government looks at this a whole different way. They’ve got to keep the masses calm.

And if information would upset the masses to a point where they could claim it has national security impact, they can just classify the information and keep it from spreading. Wow. So. So let me ask you this. With again, going back to Epstein, we know that there’s tremendous, at least publicly, tremendous division between Donald Trump and, and the left, everybody on the left. But do you think in the back of all of this, it’s like, hey, we know what we have to do here. We can’t let this stuff out. You know, we may do this publicly, we don’t like each other and all that, but the bottom line is we can’t let any of this stuff out.

There’s too many big names involved in this. You think that’s. That’s what’s going on? Yeah, that’s. And that’s very much what’s what most insiders in the. On Capitol Hill recognize When you watch two politicians, one with a red tie and one with a blue tie, debate each other, argue each other, point fingers at each other, send out tweets or X messages at each other, that’s all. Show that same, those same two people at 12:30 log off, go out to lunch together, have a midday martini, sit at the same table, make the same jokes, joke about the same ex girlfriend that they had, talk about the intern that they’re going to swap over the summer because the person does a really good job reading policy bills or whatever.

They’re friends. They know that their success is intertwined with each other, which is why you’ll, you see, periodically, people will change their votes like we just saw with the continuing resolution. How did eight Democrats decide to vote on the continuing resolution? Because they always were going to. They’re friends with the Republicans. They’re, they’re, they all realize that the red blue hyper polarization is just a game. It’s a game to keep them in office and to keep a small population of very aggravated people going to the polls every two years. The rest of us are kind of giving up.

The, the silent majority doesn’t even vote anymore. It’s only the really extreme far left, far right voters that show up. And the game that they have is how can we, how can we, how can we motivate our most extreme group to vote, but still make sure that we keep each other in office by not becoming so incompetent that our radical base stops voting for us? You know, Andrew, as you’re saying this, I’m thinking back to my, to my time in the mob and one particular instance when I, I realized I had something with the gas business.

I was basically defrauding the government. I had a tax on every gallon of gasoline. So I went to my boss at the time and I said, listen, I’m on to something. It’s going to be big. It’s going to be as big as things since Prohibition, not drugs, something safer. And I explained it to him and I said, but here’s the deal. I said, everybody’s going to want to get involved in this. Once that happens, we blow it. So if there’s ever an argument over this, I have to win. Don’t play any politics with the other families because they do that at some time they’ll sacrifice their own soldiers, their own members, if they have a deal going on with the other families, even though it’s never supposed to be that way.

Your loyalty is with your own family. So I’m looking this and I Wrote a book, Mafia Democracy. And I said, the biggest mafia we have is in the government. That’s it right there. And it seems so similar right now. I mean, you’re confirming that to me. Really? Remember, we were just talking not long ago about the myth of government. And one of the big myths of our government is that our government is not corrupt. That’s a myth. Our government is absolutely corrupt. It’s just not as corrupt as what we’re seeing in the rest of the world.

It’s not as corrupt as Venezuela. It’s not as corrupt as Colombia, as corrupt as Mexico, India, Pakistan, Russia, North Korea, Thailand, Cambodia. It’s not as corrupt, but it’s still really corrupt. Man. You still have this game that’s played this, this covert influence campaign that’s constantly waged. You still have people getting people supporting foundations that are paying them in the back door for, for support, for endorsement, for whatever else. I mean, we had a sitting president, Joe Biden, nominate his vice president to be the president after already saying that he was going to run for office. Like that’s.

If that isn’t a perfect example of party based corruption, then what is? No primary. Right, right. Skip the primary and go right to point it. And what happened after that? Everybody got behind Kamala Harris. Yeah, again, I don’t mind that Kamala Harris was the, the candidate that the Democrats put forward. But was that a fair equal opportunity process? And did anybody question it after it happened? And if nobody questions an unfair process, is that not the definition of a corrupt process? Yes, absolutely. So let me ask you this, is are we really controlled by this? I don’t know if it’s called a worldwide deep state now, the money people that really control everything that goes on with the world.

It’s not our president, it’s not whoever. It’s these people in the background, the billionaires, whatever they want to call them. Control is such a great word. And that’s the word I’m going to key in on here. Because what we’re all afraid of is being controlled. And CIA has a saying. If you’re not under control, if you’re not. If you’re not in control, then you’re under control. Right. So CIA teaches us, if you’re not in control, then you’re under control. The emphasis in our saying is the first term. You have to be in control. Well, what can you be in control of? You can really only be in control of those things that you can control.

Your actions, your thoughts, what you say, where you say it, where you go, what you’re wearing. Those are the things that you can truly be in control of. When you are trying to control another person, it’s significantly harder. You can suggest, you can encourage, you can motivate, you can manipulate, you can try to coerce, you can do all sorts of things to try to control another person. But at the end of the day, another person isn’t out of your control. But that doesn’t mean that they’re in control of themselves. So when we talk about a deep state, what people are afraid of in a deep state, they’re mislabeling, they think they’re being controlled.

They’re not being controlled. People can buy whatever, whatever milk they want to buy. They can buy whatever bread they want to buy. They can buy whatever candies they want to buy. They can choose when they shop. They can choose what grocery store they should they stop they shop at. They don’t realize the government’s not trying to control them, is trying to direct them, direct their activities. We don’t care what milk you buy, but we want you to buy milk. We don’t care what bread you buy, but we want you to buy bread. We don’t care what grocery store you shop at, but we want you shopping at major grocery stores.

Right? That’s how the government thinks. How do we direct the masses? Because we want to funnel them in a productive direction that benefits the national economy. We want to maximize GDP so that we can take the maximum chunk out of GDP to invest in military surveillance, government, etc. So we need them to go in a productive direction that benefits us, but we need to give them enough freedom in that lane that they decide whether they buy sprouted Ezekiel bread or whether they buy Wonder Bread that’s heavily bleached. Think of like a highway that’s got six lanes.

You can choose what lane you’re in, you can choose the speed when you switch lanes, what car you drive, but you’re only going in one direction. So let me ask you this. You brought up something very interesting. As a CIA operative, how do you make sure that you’re in control right off the bat? What is your modus operandi in that when you’re with a person, you’re always trying to do the same thing that the government does with the mass. You’re always trying to direct their behavior, you know, that you can’t really control them? I can. I can want you to drink a cup of coffee, but I can’t force you to drink a cup of coffee.

I can’t control that you drink what I want you to drink. So instead, I have to use tools that help to direct that activity. We use a lot of what’s known as assessment tools. Assessment tools are tools that give you verbal and nonverbal feedback in the moment so that you can start to understand the person’s thoughts, the person’s feelings, the person’s behaviors, values, patterns, ideas. And as you learn about what that person cares about, you try to reflect it back to them. Something called mirroring. So you talk about your faith. I’ll talk about my faith. If I see you wearing all black like I see you today, the next time that we would meet together, I wouldn’t be wearing white.

Right. I’d be wearing nicer shoes because clearly shoes matter to you. You’ve got a ton of very specific fashion here, right? With the, with the metals that are crossing over each other in the low cut socks. Like there’s a. There’s an intentionality to the way that you’re dressed. So if I want to mirror you, I need to show more intentionality in the way that I dress. And that’s how we go about building this assessment and building this subconscious trust. And then after we have that subconscious trust, we can become more direct in how we’re trying to direct you.

It would be kind of rash for me to just order you a, a cappuccino right now. I don’t know if you even drink coffee, but if we have a second or third meeting together, it’s fair enough for me to say, hey, do you drink cappuccino? Because there’s a great one here I’d love to order for you. And now I’m that much closer to getting you to do what I want you to do. Replace cappuccino with, tell me about your bank accounts. Tell me about your boss. Tell me about a new project that you’re working on. Right.

How exactly do you leave North Korea? Since most people can’t leave North Korea, it gets us in the direction of where I need to go. But it’s not based on control, it’s based on direction. So is it kind of manipulation in a way? Manipulation is a very fair word to use. I do a lot of using CIA terminology because CIA gives you such great insight into CIA to understand how they choose their words. Manipulation is a word that many people use, and it’s a nefarious word. It has malicious intent behind it. It’s not a positive word.

Nobody wants to be manipulated. Right. CIA teaches us that manipulation might be one way of interpreting what we’re Doing. If you imagine a coin, right. A large gold coin, the coin has two different sides, and on each side is printed a different symbol. That’s what we call heads and tails. Right? Right. So the heads might have the head of a famous president. The tails might have a picture of a famous landmark. But the head side and the tail side isn’t what actually carries the value of the coin. It’s still a gold coin. The value is the metal itself.

We see manipulation the same way. Manipulation is one side of the coin. Motivation is the other side of the coin. So whether you manipulate somebody or motivate somebody is irrelevant. The value is the metal itself. The value is getting them to do what you want them to do. You can manipulate people to get them to do what you want them to do, but you can also motivate people to get them to do what you want them to do. So when people accuse CIA of manipulation, you have 10,000 undercover CIA officers who are saying, you don’t get it.

We’re just motivating them. Right. Yeah. Very interesting. I have to do something right now because since you brought up cappuccino, my viewers are very in tune to this. Okay. I was going to pour you a glass of wine. This is, by the way, unalcoholic. You drink it. You don’t have to drink it now, but I’ll tell you the difference. And this is after a few minutes talking to you. If I were to pour the wine this way, my viewers would say, I’m not paying attention to this guy, because an old mob technique. Let’s say we’re all sitting at a table and somebody walked over and wanted to sit down and join into the conversation.

Well, if somebody recognized that this person we shouldn’t be speaking in front of. When I poured the wine, I would pour families like this. So, hey, this guy’s not on the level. Don’t talk in front of him. Silence. But since we’re talking, you’re coming this way because I. I trust what you have to say, Andrew. That’s a really great. That’s a great technique. We had our. Some techniques, too. Yeah. In that life. But. So this is. This is. Yeah. And then I. I want to share one of our alcohol techniques with you. I love it. That smells nice.

Not alcoholic. You have to have a taste for it. But people are loving this firework. Oh, that’s interesting. Yeah. So I have to share our alcohol tip with you. So CIA knows that alcohol gets people relaxed. It gets people to let go of certain inhibitions. Keeping secrets is something that inhibits people from talking. But when you’re sitting with a Russian, a Romanian, a Ukrainian, a Japanese, a North Korean, or a South Korean and Chinese, they can drink, especially their own local drink of choice. They can. They can absolutely out drink any foreigner who’s trying to start a conversation over alcohol.

So we’re taught that we go to the bartenders early and we tell them, hey, the tab’s going to be on us. And we give them a huge tip early. $50 tip, $100 tip, depending on what we think we’re gonna spend right out of the gates. Hey, I’m over here. Tab’s on me. Here’s your tip. Now here’s what I need you to do. I need you to dip the rim of my glass in the alcohol of choice, but then fill my glass without any alcohol in it. So if we’re having an old Fashioned, if we’re having a gin and tonic, if we’re having whatever, make it look right with the right ingredients.

But don’t put alcohol in my drink. Just keep it on the rim. And we’ll tell the bartender, hey, I’m with some heavy drinkers, and I just want to make sure I can drive myself home at night. They never have an issue at all because they already got their tip. Right? Right. So they are happy to dip your rim in whatever they want to dip it in, charge full price for it, nobody’s losing, and then give you a drink that when you go to the bathroom and your. And your asset smells your drink. No, it’s. It’s definitely got gin in there.

They never realize that you’re actually drinking a virgin drink. Wow. Might I use that? You can use mine. They may think you’re a mob guy, though. If I do, that’s. That’s really cool. That’s great. So let me ask you. So your. Your whole job as a CIA agent is really to learn how to motivate, manipulate people. That’s. That’s really what it is. Absolutely. Wow. And we do it with a couple different end goals in mind. Right. Sometimes you want to steal secrets. Sometimes we want to find a way to create sabotage. Sometimes we’re looking to gain a connection so we realize that your secrets are good, but not as good as that other person’s secrets.

So we need you to connect us. So there’s different types of outcomes that we’re looking for. But at the end of the day, it’s all people. CIA is the United States primary human intelligence agency. Human intelligence is a specific term known as humint. It’s a specific intelligence type of several intelligence types that exist inside the United States. Human intelligence is humint. Signals intelligence, like what NSA does is sigint. Measurement intelligence is mazint. Defense intelligence is deaf Int. Imagery intelligence is mint. And there’s all these different types of ints. And there’s a different agency that masters each one.

CIA is the premier agency in the United States for human intelligence. Andrew, with all the training, the technology and the knowledge of all the, you know, covert things that are going on in the world, this just hit me. How did you not know what was going to happen with the attack on 9 11? How did that get by everybody? It’s a great point. Let me answer in two kind of two ways. The first way is to highlight again the myth of government. And the myth of government is the government wants us to believe we’re safe. They want us to believe that nothing gets past FBI, CIA, nsa, dia.

They want us to believe that you of all people know you can get past anybody you want to get past. So it’s a myth. To think that we’re safe because of what our government provides us is 100% not real. We are just being directed on the highway in the direction they want us to go. I must be safe. I mean, they got my driver’s license and my passport and there’s cameras in every airport and my license plate is on record. So there can be no crime, surely, or crime is rare. Surely crime is rare because it’s only rarely that we ever find out about a criminal prosecution.

Crime is not rare at all. If you just look at the justice.gov records, you’ll see that there are hundreds of arrests happening all the time, of which 2% make it into the newspaper. So the first part of this answer is that we’re not as safe as we think we are. We believe that we are because the government wants us to believe that we are, because that’s how we remain productive. Imagine how much productivity would be lost if we started protecting ourselves. If you actually put up security cameras and reviewed your own footage, if you actually, you know, put fencing or gating around your property to make sure nobody could get in, how many hours would you spend doing those things when you could be spending your hours doing something else that is more beneficial for the GDP? The second way to explain what happened on 9 11.

Not either or, but. And in addition to the myth that we were safe, there was also incompetence in the. In the way that FBI and CIA communicated. And the Al Qaeda terrorist group that was behind 9 11. I don’t think they understood how poor the communication was between CIA and FBI or. But I think they knew that the two organizations didn’t communicate very well. Smaller operations, smaller attacks, various successes. They have their own network of informants as well, would have communicated to them. Hey, you know, CIA creates a report and they call people with pseudonyms or cryptonyms.

FBI makes a report and they call people by number codes. So somebody who’s been codenamed Gravity on a CIA report could be the same person on an FBI report that’s given the number 335566. But CIA doesn’t know that 335566 is the codename Gravity. And FBI doesn’t know that the code name Gravity is the same person as 335566. That’s just one example. Different communication systems, different platforms, different sending schedules, written in different formats on different paper with different ink. That is what the world looked like September 10, 2001. Wow. And from that, FBI had mounds of information about an expected terrorist attack.

CIA had mounds of information about a suspected terrorist attack. But CIA was ignoring FBI information because culturally they thought that FBI didn’t know what they were doing. And FBI was ignoring CIA information because what does that CIA know? Wow. And it wasn’t until the buildings came crashing down, thousands of people were dead. Al Qaeda claimed a massive victory. The world was in panic. And then somebody said, let’s take a look at how we missed this. And the most humbling part is we didn’t miss it. It was there. We literally just didn’t read what was there. That is so shocking.

But you know what? It confirms something that I learned in my former life. We always thought that the government was this well oiled machine with all different agencies communicating with one another. Until I realized there’s more rivalries than there are good communication, 100%. They don’t want to work together. But to do it on this level. And some of the thoughts or some of the things that we said, well, we knew this was going to happen, we allowed it to happen, or the President allowed whatever it was, you always hear those rumors flying around and that wouldn’t be true.

It would just be that they didn’t communicate properly. One of the fundamental flaws in our government is that there’s, there’s two that are complementary fundamental flaws. First, our government is not a meritocracy. You don’t climb in the ranks by being the best at what you do. You climb in the ranks by playing the game, by being part of the political establishment by knowing when to say yes, when to say no, when to act. Like you didn’t read that email, right? And that encourages and incentivizes people to become loyalists to senior leaders rather than loyalists to the mission of the agency itself.

So we’re already flawed because we’re not creating people who are loyal to the American people. We’re creating people who are loyal to the specific job category they’re in. And then the second problem that we have is a problem of enticements, of reward. Not only does merit not help you climb the ladder, but. But we don’t incentivize you to even do a good job. So there’s no way of rewarding somebody with a bonus. There’s no way of rewarding somebody for a job well done. There’s no way of giving public recognition for somebody who’s an exceptional officer. So all the things that drive the public sector, promotions, raises, bonuses, are gone in government.

I remember there was a period of time when I was with CIA where they would give us something called a professional incentive award. And these professional incentive awards were gift cards. So they would say, hey, here’s a $200 gift card to Starbucks. Here’s a hundred dollar gift card to Applebee’s. It’s silly. It’s silly to think about CIA giving somebody a gift card for Applebee’s because they did a great job in overthrowing the farc. Right. It seems silly. Well, what’s even sillier is that about two years into my CIA tenure, the government determined that those incentives were actually potentially illegal, against the policy for how you can give recognition to a federal officer.

You can’t give them monetary incentives. So they were like, well, that hundred dollar gift card to Applebee’s is a monetary incentive. So now we have to actually do away with the whole professional incentive award because we’re not allowed to give incentives to federal officers because anything that could be determined as a financial benefit is unfair to the other federal employees. So they had to get rid of this award. As silly as it was even it was taken away and they started replacing it with like, you know, cards, not gift cards, but actual, like Hallmark cards, where, hey, thanks for doing your job.

We appreciate you, you know, working above and beyond. But no, no reward, no incentive, no way that that has a substantive impact on their success as a future officer or their future assignments. Wow. Well, I’m just thinking, you know, thinking back on that is when we’re seeing this in the movie when Joe Pistone was Donnie Brasco at the end of the film, and I know Joe very well, we become friends, believe it or not. But you know, at the end of his whole investigation, which he did a tremendous job, six years undercover, it’s unbelievable. And they gave him, I think 500 bucks at the end of it.

They were allowed to do that properly. And some kind of an award that lasted, the whole ceremony lasted, he said, about three minutes. And that was it. After six years undercover, doing all that work, sacrificing his family in a big way, government has some crazy rules, don’t they? I mean, crazy. It’s, it’s incredible how disconnected the federal government really is from the modern American. Go back 30 years and it fits. You go back to my, to the time when my parents were starting their profession. Loyalty was important. Spending 30 years working in one job was important.

Knowing who to rely on, finding your rabbi, finding your godfather, finding your, your coattails, those were important things and the government was very well suited to that. Right. I mean, I’m saying 30 years is really more like 50 to 60 years. Yes. 60s and 70s. That was the way that you climb the ladder. Right? Well, the problem is the government doesn’t evolve as fast as the rest of the world. I mean, we’re sitting here using, you know, the Most cutting edge iOS operating system, we’re using cloud based technology, we’re using AI to help create everything from content to booking calls.

The Federal government is 20 years behind us, always, because they can’t adopt current technology because there’s too many bugs, there’s no guarantees that it isn’t hacked, there’s available backdoor entryways. So they’re always stuck with technology from 20 years ago. They’re stuck with a culture from 50 years ago. So it’s impossible for us to conceive how the government must think about things. And it’s even harder when you think that the government is always trying to recruit new talent. Well, what happens if you recruit a modern day 25 year old who’s used to moving at the speed of their thumbs? Then they go into government and they have to go back to physical keypads in front of a stationary computer.

Right? And all of a sudden they’re like, what, what am I doing with my life? The longer I’m in this job, the more I’m going to lose pace with what’s happening in the rest of the world. And that’s been a major problem for government, hiring and retaining real talent. They can still hire, but they’re hiring the worst employees with the least innovation and the slowest processing power when it comes to, you know, creative capacity. Because anybody with real talent goes in, realizes I only need to be here for three years before my resume says CIA and then I can punch out and I’m done with this.

The person who actually makes a 20 year career, the person who becomes future leadership of the intelligence agencies, those are not your top performing people. Your top performing people get in and then get out because they smell blood in the water. Wow. So Andrew, in your opinion, as the government got into such a behemoth stage, it’s so huge and so set in its ways as system, do you think it could ever be brought back to. I’d probably say something silly. The way our forefathers envisioned this government to be. It’s. You pick such great words for that question.

Because you’re exactly right. We are so far from what our forefathers envisioned. The only way that we can even try to explain that where we have evolved is in line with our forefathers is if you really put some creative license on the idea that our forefathers wanted anything like what we have this, you know. Now I do believe that the government can right itself. And when I say the government can write itself, what I mean is the government can again remind itself that it was created for the people, by the people, of the people. Right? That’s what it’s supposed to do.

Simultaneously, however, it is also supposed to protect the same people that it’s comprised of and who it’s leading. So it has to have dominance. Dominance is required for protection. So no one is trying to say that we need to. I’m not trying to say that we want a weaker government because a weaker government is somehow more safe. We don’t want a weaker government. We want a government that’s there to protect us. And that government has to be strong. People debate what a strong government looks like because they start to define strong in different ways. Our forefathers knew exactly what they wanted strength to look like.

Strength was the ability to stand against tyranny. Strength was the ability to make independent decisions, self direction. Right? That’s what they wanted. We have given up on so much of that in this pursuit of what other people along the way have defined. A strength like equality or egalitarianism or equal opportunity or, you know, you name it. Some sort of ideological distraction other than safety and strength. And we’re really seeing it now because it used to be the United States was the preeminent world superpower. Now we’re competing to maintain that role. And if we lose the role of preeminent superpower, we suffer.

We become less safe. Not just less safe in our house, less safe with the currency that we use, less safe in our financial institutions, less safe in what language we have to speak. Just think about that right now. We all grow up, we all teach our kids language. Nobody thinks twice about it. What the hell are we going to do if another superpower emerges now all of a sudden? It’s not enough to just speak English. You may have to also learn Chinese. Your kids might have to also learn Chinese. Your dyslexic child who struggles with English will now be a dyslexic child who struggles with both languages that are required for basic life success.

So let me ask you, in your view, is the world a safer place when America is the superpower? The world, yeah. I do not think the world is a safer place. But Americans are safer. Americans are safer. And one of the things I’m very grateful to my time at CIA for showing me is that all the arguments about humans being humans, humans having something in common in terms of, you know, human rights, human freedoms, basic human necessities, it’s not, it’s really not true. There may be basic human rights, but I don’t have to do anything to protect the basic human rights of somebody on the other side of the world.

My responsibility is to protect my humans, my family, my neighborhood, my community, my workplace, my colleagues, people who carry the same passport as me, people who contribute to the same future as a nation as me. They have to come first. So CI did a great job of teaching me what the Bible always taught us. There will be suffering always. So how do you spend your time to help those that you have the most impact to help? How are you a blessing at the highest level rather than diminishing your blessing by trying to spread it too far? So for me, it’s very simple.

Americans are the top of the food chain. What can I do to protect Americans? What can I do to help America succeed? What can I do to help the Constitution of the United States and everybody else comes second or lower? And especially if somebody else is a threat to the very same America that I put as a top priority, I have no problem blocking, rejecting, standing in the way, hurting, tearing down whoever that person or that entity or that business or that function is because it goes against what I have the opportunity to bless with the most impact.

Wow. I mean, this is, I gotta tell you, it was just fascinating. But it, you know, I, I, I, I’ve always thought along the Same lines as what you’re telling me now. But you’ve, you’ve really gone into it in a deep way that makes so much sense. I think you’re right on point. I really mean that. And I would love to take credit for it, but I just, I can’t. I. It had to be taught to me. I remember. I’ve never told anybody this story. So when I was 12 or 13 years old, we lived in a.

A duplex in Pennsylvania. And I started shoplifting from the grocery store that was one block away. Big grocery store. And it started small. It started with like, you know, dad, can I have this? And he would say no. And I was like, well, I know I can just walk to the grocery store later on. And you know, it was a pack of baseball cards, it was a stick of. Or it was a package, a small package of gum, something like that, right? And every time I got away with it, I got a little riskier. I was like, wait a second, if I can take one Fifth Avenue candy bar, why can’t I take two? Why can’t I take four? Why can’t I take the box? And I start learning the patterns of the security guards and the apathy of the checkout register and the fact that the manager is really only there on the floor between, you know, 2 o’ clock and 3 o’, clock, because he has to be.

And after 3 o’, clock, he’s already prepping to check out for the day at 5 o’. Clock. So I have this window of time between three and five when everybody’s ready for a shift change and they’re all slammed busy with real customers who are following the rules. That’s the perfect time for me to slip through and get whatever I want. I started stealing boxes of candy and selling it at school. So I’m getting my source for free, right? And I’m selling candy bars at 5 cents less than what they get from the vending machine. Like, so I’m selling 45 cent candy bars that I paid $0 for.

And of course my, my book bags filling up with candy, filling up with money. And that’s what I’m doing. And the thought very realistically went through my head, I was like, why do I even have to go to school? Why do I even have to follow the rules at all? Like, I’m, I’m making more money in a week right now with candy than my dad makes in his professional job, right? Why would I, why would I ever be a straight player? There are not many people who share that thought. You had that thought at some point.

Yes. I was going to say, you’re. You’re fortunate you didn’t catch the eye of any of the mob guys in Philly. You might have went that way. But there are a group of people, a large group of people in the United States who had experiences like that. And we had to choose, do we play it straight or do we play it a different way? Or life intervened. Like you said, there wasn’t a mobster in central Pennsylvania that found me. And what did happen is my mom checked my backpack and saw a shit ton of money. And she was like, what? What are you doing? And I was dumb enough to think that my mom would be proud of my entrepreneurial endeavors.

Right? Yeah. But CIA taught me. When I was there, they were like, hey, the 500 people that were in the room with me, they’re like, here’s what we already know about all of you. We already know all of you came from childhood trauma. We already know that you didn’t earn the respect and love and adoration of your mom or your dad or possibly both for any number of reasons. Right. Maybe they were killed before you were old enough to recognize their love. Maybe they were too busy or too successful in their job. We don’t care. We already know that that’s you.

We also know that every one of you had a moment in your life where you had to choose whether you were going to be a criminal or whether you were going to play it straight, because you realized that the line between hero and villain is razor thin. And it’s a choice. And even the term hero and villain is a label that the outside world puts on your actions, because in your world, you are a hero with people that served beside you. You were a hero. But the label that’s put on you by the outside world is a different label.

The same thing is true of CIA. There are people who layer on CIA that CIA officers are heroes, and there are people who layer on CIA that CIA officers are villains. Yeah. You know, so often in my life, law enforcement people would come to me and say, there’s such a thin line between us. Such a thin line. It is so true. It really is. But I get everything you’re saying. I have to ask you some current things that are going on with the Charlie Kirk murder assassination. There’s a lot of influences on social media that are blaming Israel.

The Mossad has something to do with it, and they give all the alleged facts that they’ve compiled to support that. Does this look like an Operation of Mossad with Charlie Kirk. Israel. Do you think they’re behind it? Does Israel wield the power that people are thinking now? I’m only hearing this currently. I mean, the last several months, that Israel almost controls the United States, controls the world. I mean, is this true? No, it’s not true. It’s. It’s a. It’s a conspiratorial flyaway hair that is gaining traction only because there is a now current global distrust of Israel.

Had the same thing happened prior to Gaza and the atrocities in the Gaza Strip, had the same thing happened, then this conspiracy would have never had any footing. But because Israel has ostracized itself from the world, and because Netanyahu has basically shown that he is powerful, much more powerful than I think any of us previously assumed he was, that’s what kind of feeds this conspiracy theory. And I will speak directly to any influencer who’s trying to say that Israel’s behind Charlie Kirk. You know you’re wrong. They know they’re wrong. You know the evidence that you’re collecting isn’t complete and accurate.

They know it. But they can’t reject the clicks. They can’t reject the audience. They can’t reject the sponsorship money. They can’t. They can’t turn away from the financial benefits of spreading what they already know. What you already know is incomplete and inaccurate information. They are intentionally capitalizing on a global bias against Israel that when you look at the facts, it’s ludicrous. Mossad has proven to be one of the most secretive and capable organizations in the world. Over and over again in the last two years, they’ve launched drones from within Iranian borders. They neutralized the entire air defense shield of Iran.

They mobilized the United States President to drop bombs on an Iranian enrichment factory, an Iranian enrichment plant. And they motivated a president who swore to not start wars like Israel is an incredibly capable organization. Do you really think that that organization would be an organization that some influencer would crack? Be like, oh, we see the breadcrumbs, we see the trail that Israel left behind? No, it’s ridiculous to think that an organization that professional could be cracked by an untrained, unprofessional, unvetted influencer. There’s a second thing that we have in the, in the intelligence world called circular reporting.

Circular reporting is when one source gives a piece of intelligence and then you hear the same intelligence from a separate source, and then you think to yourself, oh, I’m hearing it from two different sources. That must increase the reliability of it being real. Being true. What we don’t realize is that the second source learned the information from the first source. So really, it’s the same information from the same source, but we’re reporting it as two different sources. That’s why we call it circular. So when you have one influencer who basically posts a conspiracy theory and then five other influencers just repeat the same conspiracy theory to us, it feels like there’s five people saying this, right? It’s only one.

They’re all just piling on to the same thing. They’re all on the same gravy train. The last thing I want to say here on, on whether Israel would be involved in this, it, it doesn’t make any sense. When you look at geopolitics and the importance of blowback, blowback is when you make a geopolitical error that has massive consequences. So we saw that there were ceasefires that fell apart and there was blowback. There were consequences internationally. When Russia invaded Ukraine, there were sanctions. That was blowback. That was international. As much as Israel has taken the steps it has taken, as ostracized as it’s been, as, as polarizing as it’s been, it couldn’t.

It would not risk killing a conservative American influencer when their support base in the United States is conservative Americans. And the, the argument that people are making here is, oh, well, like two weeks beforehand, Charlie Kirk said he was going to split away from, from Judaism or supporting Israel. What do you think when, when Israel assessed that break with Charlie Kirk, do you think that they thought to themselves, hmm, we need to publicly kill this man? Or do you think they said something more along the lines of, we need to work on the next six to 12 months, finding a way to bring him back into the fold because he has decades worth of utility if we can make him a supporter again.

But if we kill him, think about the risk of blowback. If they were to actually kill him, and if they were to be caught or if they were to be formally implicated, that’s going to destroy their relationship with the conservative base of the United States for decades. Israel can assassinate and they can assassinate effectively, but when they assassinate, they use Mossad agents. They don’t use kids that dress up in bunny costumes and make out with their male roommate. That’s not what they use as an assassin. Well, I always thought that was absurd. You know, why would.

First of all, my point. Look, Charlie Kirk was an influential figure, but that influential that you have to take him out like he’s going to destroy Israel if you don’t it made no sense to me, but I think you, you nailed it in that really. Let me ask you this. I have a friend. Two things I want to say. Well, let me ask you this first. How does the CIA stack up against Mossad? Would you consider one a superior agency or. The professional answer here is that you have to look at the different categories because intelligence has multiple categories when it comes to size and scale of capability.

CIA crushes Mossad. We have a much higher budget, we have a much wider international footprint in where we can operate, where we’re prepared to operate, the network that we have in those different countries. Mossad is really only focused on a few countries and really primarily Iran and then proxies of Iran. So where the United States is the premier superpower, we have 160 countries that are all trying to take us down. Israel has one country that’s trying to take it down, right? It’s got a couple other threats that are collegiate nations, but they’re not trying to eradicate the country like Iran is trying to eradicate the country.

So your budget gets spread pretty far and wide when 160 countries are vying for you versus when just one is. So when it comes to size and scope, CIA crushes Mossad. But when it comes to refined, sophisticated high risk operations, nobody touches Mossad. Because Mossad has no problem executing assassinations. Because the blowback from for their concern, the blowback is worth it. Because the people they assassinate, by and large are people who are actually posing a existential threat to the homeland. Again, not Charlie Kirk, not influencers. That’s not who threatens Israel. Nuclear scientists in Iran are the threat to Israel.

Generals for Hezbollah and Hamas. Right. People who are sworn to destroy the entire independent nation of Israel. That’s who they, that’s who they assassinate. So because they have to have a plan for that, they take risks that none of us in CIA would take. They’ll send 10 people on a hit team and they’ll assess that only five will come back and they’ll still go where our Navy SEAL teams, If they assess that high of an attrition rate, they’ll second guess their plan and go back to the drawing board and reinvent it all over again. So their risk tolerance is higher because their threat vector is so much higher.

So, and those two just separate categories. You can see how different the two are. Israel’s capability for sabotage, especially clandestine sabotage, sabotage that would never be discovered. Astronomically high. The United States, we spread our sabotage operations far and wide. It’s very hard for US to sabotage a Russian factory and a Chinese factory and a North Korean factory using the same system. So we have to create three completely different systems. All three of them have the risk of being captured and caught. We have to worry about being penetrated by the Russians and the Chinese and the North Koreans.

Technologically and in terms of human inside sources, you can just see how the risk profile for the United States goes up significantly where Israel can keep its operations secret from the United States. Israel’s even recruited spies who are American military members without the United States realizing that those same military members are informing Israel. So you just. You can really start to see that they’re comparable on points, but not as an entire service. So all the talk about Israel really controlling the United States, you wouldn’t place much weight in that. No, the. The. What we’re seeing, when we think that Israel has this grandiose control of the world, when we think that they’re part of some deep state pulling the strings.

Right. What we’re seeing there is that Netanyahu, specifically, who has. Who is without a doubt an authoritarian leader who has been in office more than a decade. Like all the signs of the people that we generally say are bad leaders. We. We attack Xi Jinping, we attack Vladimir Putin. Right. And yet we’re seeing it with Netanyahu, one of the closest allies in the United States. What we’re seeing is that his authoritarian actions are influential and impactful because he knows how to play the geopolitical game. He understands the leverage that Israel has. He knows when to push a little bit further.

He knows how to influence the president. Not through secret documents that Epstein might have or might not have. He just understands what the president wants and how to get the president to agree to terms that Israel benefits from. And they’ve been doing this long before Donald Trump was in office. They’ve been doing this for as long as we’ve had a close relationship with Israel. Netanyahu, when he was prime minister, he was doing it. When he wasn’t prime minister, he was doing it. We’ve had this relationship with Israel for a long time. So much of the United States success is tied to the Jewish diaspora.

And even still, Americans can’t tell the difference between a Jew and. And an Israeli. They’re two different things. So we just end up completely missing the boat and landing on some stupid, oversimplified idea that, oh, Israel must run the world. No, you just have a very sophisticated person who’s in an authoritarian position who understands that we can’t tell the difference between A citizen of his nation and a follower of the same faith. No. It’s funny because I have a very dear friend of mine, 30 some odd years, very different, he’s Israeli. And I said to him, you know, why does it seem you don’t like Netanyahu? And he said, I don’t not like him, I hate him.

And I said, why is that? And then prior to saying that, I said, you know, I’ve never seen such anti Semitism as we’re seeing now. And I think he relates in the United States, he relates Netanyahu to the anti Semitism here. Do you see that as a direct correlation? Absolutely. What I see is that we are Americans who are not careful with their words or who are not sophisticated enough in their own worldly knowledge, are not understanding that Jews are not the problem. The faith that a Jewish person follows is not the problem. It’s the nation and the policy of Israel that is the problem.

And the policymakers in Israel are just people, not necessarily people guided by faith. They’re just people guided by their own self interest and the own and what they believe are in the best interests of their country. So what happens is these less knowledgeable or unsophisticated or uncareful people here in the United States, they start saying anti Semitic things. They start acting in a way that’s anti Semitic. Not understanding there’s a difference between the Israeli government and the Jew, the Israeli citizen and the Jew. Jewish people are wonderful people. The Jewish faith is a wonderful faith. It’s a community oriented faith that builds groups up.

It’s not dangerous, it’s not self serving, it’s not negative. And when we start to focus our anger on Jewish people, we’re completely ignoring the fact that we are angry because of Israeli policies. Totally different things. But how do you get people, first of all, how do you get people to understand that? And then the biggest frustration, Michael, is that even our Congress doesn’t understand the difference. So we’ve had members of the House who have put forward policies that basically make criticism of Israel a sign of anti Semitism. Now we’re making it legislation that the two are the same thing.

Now thankfully those bills weren’t passed. Smarter people prevailed and said, hey, this is not the same thing. But geez man, we have, we have our own representatives that aren’t smart enough to tell the difference between a faith set and a nationality. That’s dangerous. Andrew, I have never in my lifetime seen incompetence in government in Congress like I’ve seen now I look at It. I’m in shock. How did this person ever get elected? It’s just. It’s just terrible. I mean, it’s like, to me, it’s a joke. It would be a joke if it wasn’t so serious because these people have control over our lives.

And some of them, I just don’t get it. But, you know, it’s fascinating. I have to ask you this. We have now in New York a. A democratic socialist who’s going to be mayor of the biggest city in the country. Yeah. What’s your feeling on that? I mean, do you feel you’ve had experience all over the world? Is socialism good for the United States? Socialism isn’t good anywhere. I mean, even when we. I don’t. It’s funny to me when you see people reference the same small handful of countries where they highlight that socialism is a success story, especially when you consider that many of those same countries are actually monarchies.

We fought a war to not be part of a monarchy, and now we’re referencing current monarchies as signs of wealth and success. If you want to be a monarchy, I’m pretty sure we have a president in office that would be okay with being the first new monarch. Right. But we fought a war to not be controlled by a monarch. Don’t reference other countries as signs of socialist success when they are actually monarchy countries that are being successful. Socialist countries are failing. France is an actual socialist country, and they’re burning cars in the streets. They’ve had five different prime ministers in the last two years.

They are. They are, they are more in debt than they are making per year. Right. And they’re still in a better debt position than we are in the United States. Meaning the United States is in even worse financial trouble than France is in. And France is melting down. They’ve dissolved their parliament once they’ve had multiple prime ministers. They’re burning cars in Paris. The Eiffel Tower isn’t even open for tourists because they can’t afford to keep it open. So you can see how socialism doesn’t work. You can see how universal healthcare doesn’t work. You can see how base income doesn’t work.

You can see it everywhere. If you look at the multiple examples of where it doesn’t work. And then when you focus on the few examples that we always focus on, ask yourself, are these actual socialist success stories or are these monarchies that have independent wealth centered around a royal family that’s preserved? And that’s what you’ll see over and over again. Let me ask you this. You Brought up something. We have a country now that’s $38 trillion in debt. And I have said this consistently. How do you get out of $38 trillion? I don’t think you do.

I think it’s impossible. You know from your experience, where is this going to lead us? Because I don’t see any end in sight. I know Trump is trying to do something with tariffs, and I think it’s gotten so out of control, there’s no way to rein it in. Yeah. The economic reality here is that we’re not the first country to be in this position. We are just the first global superpower to be in this position. Well, even that’s not true, because Rome and the Ottoman Empire and the Soviet Union were all in this exact same position at some point during their rise.

I am not fully pessimistic. I don’t think that we are headed for the end, but we are headed for pain. And the question that really matters is how much pain will the average American let themselves feel before they do the right thing? What we really need to do right now is essentially trigger a second Great Depression. That’s what we need to do. We need to right size the value of our currency, and we need to all share the burden of what happens when we deflate our currency. But the way that the economy in the United States was built on a debt economy, the natural process is inflationary.

So our government knows. Donald Trump knows, just like Joe Biden knew. You can always create more currency, and you can always create more dollars, and you can always artificially create more action in the market by stimulating the economy with more dollars. But as you create more dollars, the value of each dollar goes down. The reason that we can take $38 trillion in debt is because our government’s already thinking, well, in five years, we’re going to print so much Money that at 38 trillion is actually going to be more like 33 trillion. And we’ll be able to pay it off in the future.

But we’re going to have a new president by then, and they’re going to do the same thing that the current president is doing, which is the same thing that the previous president did. And the average kind of uninformed American is going to watch, oh, the market’s rising. Oh, the stock market’s doing better. Oh, my house price is going up. Oh, the value of my vehicle is going up. Like, we must be in a healthy economy, never realizing that our dollar value is going down where every other currency in the world is staying high. The Euro is high.

The Swiss franc is high. The Chinese renminbi is high. The yen, which is in horrible shape, Japanese currency is in a horrible place. But compared to the US dollar, it’s strong. It’s strong in terms of consistency, right? So we have all these economic issues that are really pervasive because the average American doesn’t understand, but the wealthy American does. And the reason the rich get richer, quote, unquote, that’s what we call it. The reason the rich get richer is because the rich understand that in an inflationary economy, if you have an asset that holds your money, the asset value goes up.

So the wealthy can put their money into commercial buildings, real estate, stock market, business assets, precious metals. They can put their money in all sorts of non dollar denominations. And as the dollar value goes down and the inflationary market takes over, all of your assets go up. The problem is the vast majority of Americans don’t have assets. They don’t own the home, they own the mortgage, they don’t own the car, they own the lease or they own the, the debt. They don’t own. They don’t have their money in the stock market. They have their money in a 401k that’s controlled by some money manager or something else.

So the, the. This is my very long answer to your question because love it. I would love people to get smart about this. The only way we pull ourselves out of this is if we step into the pain. The pain is coming, right? You can either step into it and trigger a great depression now that saves us for the next hundred years, or we can keep ignoring it until we basically have a cancer that’s so bad that our middle class disappears, our poverty stricken classes start to literally die because they can’t afford life. And the wealthy just continue to insulate their own to make sure that that becomes who runs the country.

And don’t get me wrong, I am not as wealthy as most, right? I run a multimillion dollar company. I have more than six figures in savings, I have my assets diversified. It doesn’t take much wealth to be able to protect your wealth. But the average person who has no money in savings, the person who has $20,000 in cash and they feel comfortable, that is exactly the person who’s going to get crushed by the economic future that we have in front of us. Well, Andrew, I would take what you have to say certainly before I would take most economists who are so politicized, I don’t trust them because you don’t know why they’re saying what they’re saying and whose purpose they’re really serving in saying it.

So that, that was very insightful. Let me ask you this. You know, as I’m talking to you, I’m getting a little bit into the business side of things. I would think that you would be a brilliant business guy because there’s different ways to succeed in business. Steve Jobs, obsolete Jobs or whatever, he was creative with his innovative mind. He created Apple, whatever he did, amazing. I had success in business, but my success was not comparable to his because there’s a lot of things that I can’t do and I don’t do well. But I had a talent.

My talent was recognizing a good business opportunity and being able to get the right people, motivate the right people to work for me, with me, alongside of me. And that was the secret to my success. I would think as a, as an ex CIA operative and an intelligent person on your own, that that would be a tremendous asset in business. Something that you, you could probably teach a business course. And I have a lot of people on here that listen to, to what I have to say, business wise. So what, what do you say about that? No, I appreciate the, I appreciate the, the compliment and I, I have started my own business.

I started my own business in 2019. Everyday Spy, the brand that I wear everywhere I go. Because when I left CIA, I, it’s, it’s so humiliating to say this out loud. When I first left CIA, I thought I had no skills. I thought I was worthless to the civilian world because everything I knew was espionage. And I was like, how do you, you can’t put that on a resume. You can’t market that as a skill. So I felt like I had to start all over again. And when I tried to start all over again, nobody would hire me because I looked like a 34 year old person with an empty resume.

Because my resume was still undercover with no real references, with no significant life experience for the last seven years. Because again, it was all covered, right? So I couldn’t get a job. For six months I lived in my in laws converted Florida garage which is with my one year old child and my, my lovely wife and I. There is no worse feeling than when you can’t provide for your own family. And after six months of that, I remember having a conversation with my wife where I was like, CIA taught us how to defraud entire governments. That taught us how to lie our way into elite circles around the country.

What if I just lied my way into a job? And my wife was like that could work. Good, supportive wife. So that’s what we started experimenting with. And that’s exactly what happened. I lied my way into a Fortune 10 company, and then I had the job. And I didn’t even know what I was supposed to do because everything had been a lie to get there in the first place, right? We had socially engineered the hiring manager, we had defrauded the resume. We had done everything to just get the job, not ever thinking we would get the job.

Now I have the job, and I have to learn how do I succeed in this job. Again, I leaned back on CIA skills. CIA taught me how to increase my memory, how to learn quickly how to recruit advocates to essentially do the work for you so that you could take credit for the work, but pass credit to them in a secondary way because they didn’t need the spotlight kind of thing. So I start using CIA skills first to get the job and then to keep the job, and then to succeed in the job. And in the six years that I worked in the commercial sector, I was promoted eight times.

The average person only has three promotions in their entire life. I was promoted eight times in six years. And then with our financial stability and our financial comfort, then I was like, well, shit, if I can do this for me, why can’t I teach this to other people? And that’s why in 2019, I launched my company. And then since that day, we have been able to teach spy skills to entrepreneurs, spy skills to wannabe preneurs, spy skills to people who are already running companies of 3 million, 5 million, $10 million a year that help them break through the next barrier.

Because what CIA does is it manages human beings. It directs human beings in a way that’s beneficial to the outcome you want. That is exactly what business is. So I really appreciate you recognizing that because so few people recognize that that is what I am doing on. On the Internet whenever I show up anywhere. What I’m trying to get people to understand is that you can have more individual success in your career and in your business if you use spy skills. That’s why I teach spy skills. I believe in spy skills. Our company mission is spy education that breaks barriers for everyone willing to learn.

It’s what. It’s what we’re all about. But people don’t see it all the time. They sometimes think that we’re just here to bust conspiracy theories or talk about geopolitics. And if that’s what they learn, that’s still part of the mission. But the real benefit is when a business person Realizes how much they can scale their wealth success in business with a little bit of spy toolset. And those spy skills are really learning how to deal with people. Yes, Persuasion, manipulation, motivation, hiring according to profiles, how to, how to strategize your against your competition, how to set up your scaling process to meet the demands of what we call over the horizon threats.

Like we do massive consulting deals with major companies all over the United States and all over the world. Because when it clicks for an executive, the asymmetric advantage that comes from spy thinking, when that clicks, they go all in and they realize it. I’ve got, I’m in LA six times a year at least because I have multiple centimillion dollar clients that run fantastic businesses. And they all know that 12 hour conversation twice a year is going to help them unlock the next $25 million idea. And it’s so valuable, so helpful to me because I don’t have to.

I call my company Everyday Spy. I don’t spend most of my time with the average everyday person. I spend my time with elite people who recognize that everyday people work for them and that the spy element of the company is what can help them massively increase their success. You know, this is fascinating because unlike the CIA, I wasn’t trained. There wasn’t a course that we had to sit down and learn. But I learned through experience, observation, you know, on the street I don’t want to say the same things, but the same way how to work with people.

And especially when you’re in that life, when there’s a lot of intrigue and a mistake could cost you your life, honestly, you have to be very careful and very, I don’t want to use the word manipulative, but you really know how to deal with people and how to get them to be on your side. And I’ve been able to bring those skills into the real world and has benefited me tremendously. Now I don’t have a consulting firm, but I’ve spoken to so many people in business. I do these masterminds, Andrew. And you know, it was funny because I do, I do one for a big German company and I’ve met with them twice now and I was a keynote speaker.

And the, the person came over to me afterwards, he says, you know Michael, you speak for an hour and a half and then you got 20 or 30 people around you wanting to know more. Why don’t you do a mastermind on your own? I said, well, I never really thought of that. And I’ve got only so much bandwidth in my life to do things. But you’re right. People need to know how to deal with people. When you have a skill like you have, or, you know, I have one like I have, it really benefits people in business.

One of my favorite, One of my favorite kind of categories of people to talk to on camera and off camera are people who have broken the law. Because what you and I are realizing right now, in front of everybody, listening, is what you and I have kind of always known. There’s a special skill that comes from living on the outside of society. Whether you live on the outside and you’re protected like I was, or whether you take the full risk of living outside of society like you did, the skills are still just as useful. And that’s why when I.

When I pulled up to your house, and, I mean, I don’t know that the average person who’s listening to you or watches you understands the clear success you have had in your life. Pulling into your gated community, driving through to your house, seeing your front yard, your. Your entryway, seeing, you know, the art that’s on the walls inside the house. Your success is so crystal clear. It’s the success that most people spend their whole life playing it straight in the hopes that they will have. The kind of success that you’ve had, you lost everything, went to jail, and then came back and built it again.

It shows the power of the skills that come not from living in. In the middle of social norms, but understanding that there’s benefits to be gained from thinking outside of the social norm box. You’ve built success and a life two times over that most people will never find in their one life. So if they’re not learning from you, who are they learning from? And that’s kind of how I try to approach the problem with my own clients. I’m like, if you don’t learn from me, that’s fine. That’s your choice. Who are you going to learn from? I’ve built a small company.

Most people can’t even build a company. I’ve become viral on the Internet multiple times. Most people can’t become viral on the Internet ever. Right? So if you’re not going to learn from me, that’s fine. Who are you going to learn from? And I love conversations like this because I’m like, if they’re going to learn from you, my job is done. They’re in good hands. But if they’re going to reject you and me, I know, I know where their future is going. You know, Andrew, I have to say something. As a Christian, and I know we share the same faith, I have said this in church many, many times.

I said, listen, I have no moral issue, moral issue with defrauding the government out of tax on every gallon of gasoline. I said, now I’m not going to do it because I’m not going to jeopardize my freedom, my family or anything else. But morally I didn’t have an issue because I said, I know what the government is all about. I’ll do better with the money now, a person of faith than I would have done before, and I’ll do better than what the government will do most of the time. That’s my feeling. You know, it’s funny because the pastoral, I’m looking at the pastor, well, you know what, the people in the, in the, they get up and they clap and they clap and they understand.

And I said, but I’m not telling you to do that because you’re going to get in trouble, you’re going to go to jail, so don’t do it. I won’t do that. But morally I don’t have an issue with it. And it’s funny because, you know, I, I’ve always felt that way. You know, I always looked at the government, I guess, because, you know, I grew up with a dad who was a very high profile finger. My dad was the underboss of the Colombo family. I grew up with law enforcement around me all the time. My dad was so high profile, we had seven or eight different agencies around us.

24, seven. I never went out the door without. We had a parade of law enforcement vehicles following us all the time. So this is what I grew up. So I, I hated the police, I hated the government, I hated law enforcement. I don’t feel that way now. It was a distorted sense of view. And, you know, and I realize that now, but so I never, I always saw them as the enemy. And then as I got older and I said, you know what, it might be a good system, but there’s a lot of bad people in this that take advantage of people.

And I get really offended. And this may sound crazy to you, when we were on the street, we didn’t take an oath to benefit people. We were criminals, no question about it. We had our moral issues, we protected our neighborhoods. We wouldn’t violate another person’s wife, woman, daughter, things like that. But we were thieves. We did our thing in our way. But I see these people now taking an oath, going into office and having the trust of the people and then violating that trust. So Outwardly being so obstinate about it, and it drives me crazy. It really upsets me and some people.

So come on, Mike, you’re a criminal. I said, I know, but I didn’t take an oath to protect people. And I did protect the people that I cared about and I loved in my neighborhood. I wouldn’t. Wouldn’t violate or betray them. What I see going on now is just. It infuriates me, quite honestly, Andrew. It really does. And, you know, hearing you was refreshing to me because you. Look, I don’t want to overthrow the government. I’d love to see it change. I’d love to see it become, you know, by the people, for the people. But I don’t know.

I mean, I’m pessimistic in that regard because I think it’s gotten so out of control, and I just wish something happens to bring it back. And I don’t know. I mean, I don’t know why I made that whole statement, but it’s a risk expressing myself. I’m so glad that you expressed yourself, because CIA gives us a lot of vocabulary. They understand that when they hire us, we are kind of. We are not kind of. We are significantly mentally flawed people. Right? We’re not the typical person. The typical person would never work for CIA. The typical person would especially never work undercover for CIA.

The typical person is looking for a safe job that pays well, that gives them. That gives them confidence and security and repetition and. And a clear path to success. That’s what the average person wants. It’s the outsider who is willing to take more risk for more reward. It’s an even stranger bird that takes more risk for no reward. And that’s what CIA is promising you more risk for. No. No reward, no public praise, no medals around your chest, no uniform, no higher paycheck. You get risk for the sake of risk. So we are not mentally healthy, right? We oftentimes come in with.

With, like I said, personal trauma issues, mental health challenges, etc. So when they talk to us, they teach us how to frame our worldview. And you said something so early on that immediately captured my attention. You said I had morals, right? And then you listed your morals. Protect the community. You don’t defile another person’s wife, daughter, you know, sister, etc. Like, that is your moral framework. CIA taught us a term called moral flexibility. Moral flexibility means you can adapt your morals to what you need to adapt them to in order to achieve the outcome you’re trying to achieve.

So what happens is, in the average person doesn’t have moral flexibility. The average person has moral rigidity. Even worse, they are making morals that are actually dictated to them. When some, when a rule is dictated to you, it’s called ethics. Ethics are defined for you. Morals are supposed to come from within you. So what ends up happening is people are, are following a path in their life that was dictated to them. So ethics were dictated to them and they’re actually absent of any morals themselves because all they’ve done is carbon copied the ethics and made them their morals.

So they certainly don’t have moral flexibility. And moral flexibility is the path to success. When you talk about these politicians who swear an oath and then violate the oath, that is not moral flexibility. That is an immoral person. That is a person who has no guiding light in themselves. That is a person without morality. That is an immoral person. So moral, morally flexible people like you and me, we can see immorality. And it’s nauseating, it’s disgusting, it’s, it’s unimaginable. How can you, how can you promise that you’re going to protect someone and then intentionally take advantage of them? It’s one thing to not promise them anything and then hurt them because they go against your outcome.

Something altogether different to tell them that you will protect them and then not only not protect them, but abuse the trust that they have put in you to protect them. And you’re exactly right. That is what we have started to see, especially through the digital age, especially as we’ve had more access and insight into what’s happening behind the scenes, when cameras are turned off, when CNBC is off, now that we actually see how our system works, we can see the immorality at play. And even the most morally flexible of us, who are running, you know, strip clubs, who are running multimillion dollar businesses, who are maybe even, you know, cheating a little bit of a client here and there as a plumber or a landscaper, right? Doing what it takes to keep our families fed, that moral flexibility is not the same thing as immorality.

And we don’t have words to define it sometimes. Well, you know what? I’m glad you feel like I do. And I will say this, just this last thing I want to bring up. My dad taught me something and he said to me, michael, remember this? It’s no good to lie. He said, but I’m okay with lying to help somebody, but don’t ever lie to hurt anybody. And that just stuck with me forever. And I feel that way. I may lie to protect somebody. That’s dear to me or whatever. I’m not going to lie to hurt anybody.

And gets me so infuriated when I see these people that are alleged leaders. And for me, a leader is only a leader when people willingly want to follow that person. Not because you apply, placed in that position, may not be a leader. And I’ve been with both. When they get up there and they consistently lie on camera, on video, and they don’t care. And it, it, maybe it bothers me to a point where it shouldn’t because there’s nothing I can do about it, but things like that infuriate me. And I said, you know what I’ve said this times, and people, I said, you know, I saw guys on the street that had more morals and more ethics, if you want to call it, than these people in government.

And I think that’s the part that has to change. And that’s why I say, is it going to change? I don’t know. Costs so much money now to become president. Who wants to, you know, willingly take that task on same with cards, constantly raising money. That’s what it’s all about. Their whole job is to raise money. That’s the main thing, you know, and then they try to govern in between. Why I said that, I don’t know. I just think, I just think in a way, our leadership is morally bankrupt. And I think that’s a real problem for the country.

I don’t want to be pessimistic about the future, but I also cannot be optimistic about the future. So that’s why I try very hard to tell people what I interpret to be factual, true, measurable information, Right? We are headed for more pain than pleasure. We are headed for more poverty than wealth. We are headed for very difficult times that will define us as a nation, define us as a people. And the sooner we recognize that and take action, take responsibility, we will succeed. And the longer that we push that off, we run the risk of never actually being in control of our own future fate.

So through a lens of probability, there is a chance that we just naturally work our way out of this. There’s a chance that our current system figures it out. But that chance, 12%, 10%, the chance that we’re going to have riots in the street like France did, the chance that we’re going to crush our middle class and have to reinvent ourselves, the chances that we will lose our national dominance, that’s more like a 40% chance. And with every day that goes forward, one of those probabilities goes up. And the other probability goes down. So which way do you think we’re going, and what actions can you take today to make sure that it goes the direction you want it to go? That’s the question.

We need every American thinking, because you and I have spent the last 10, 15, 20 years building options for ourselves because we are already morally flexible to know they’re the people I have to take care of, and that’s my priority. Very well said. Andrew. Andrew, you recently released a book. Number one. I didn’t know you were allowed to do that, but obviously you are. And just tell us a minute about it. Absolutely. My book, Shadow Cell, is the memoir of my wife and I working together as a tandem couple in a very dangerous place at a very dangerous time.

It took three years for CIA to let us publish that book. So it was a process, and CIA was very nervous about it because we expose information that CIA has never publicly disclosed before. We talk about a mole inside CIA that was never publicly acknowledged. We talk about efforts and counterintelligence operations from foreign countries against CIA that CIA was never willing to disclose before. And they were so adamant about blocking the book that the only reason we were able to get the book cleared was because we threatened them with a First Amendment lawsuit. And in the United States, we have First Amendment rights.

And because we are trying to tell our story of a scenario that we were put in, because CIA chose to put us in that scenario, we had a First Amendment right to our book. It’s gone on to become a New York Times bestseller. It’s everywhere around the world. It has been a humbling and incredible journey. And, yeah, I would encourage everyone to go out and read it if they’re interested in how real intelligence works. Well, I am definitely going to pick up a copy of. And I think everybody involved in business should pick up a copy after this discussion.

Let me ask you, did you meet your wife as a CIA agent? I did. My wife and I actually met the first week that we were at CIA. We were both undercover. We were both going through the onboarding process. We were both immediately attracted to each other. But my wife has severe anxiety. I was telling you about how CIA officers oftentimes are not mentally healthy. So she had severe anxiety. She had depression, and of course, I was borderline narcissistic. So as we kind of met each other, our own internal issues, our own mental health challenges before CIA could train us kept us kind of missing each other.

But then as we were brought in alignment with CIA, we became kind of aligned with each other. And that turned into both a wonderful marriage and an incredible operational history together. And your wife left earlier than you did, right? She left right along with me. Oh, yeah, we both, we had our child undercover, we had our child overseas. And it became very clear to us that CIA was not interested in letting us be loving parents. They were interested in letting us continue to serve the mission. And our child was a distraction from the mission. And that was not the kind of parents that we wanted to be.

I thought the mob life was tough. CIA, you got it over us, I could tell you that. All right, so now I have some cool. We have a membership community of people that are really interested in, that would be very interested in this conversation for sure. And so very excited when you were coming on as a guest. And they have prepared five questions. So if you’re okay, I want to ask you. Absolutely. It’s good. Number one. Good one. Is there any truth to the conspiracy theory that the CIA is involved in drug trafficking from South America and in business with the cartels? All right, what behavioral patterns or decision making red flags most often indicate that someone inside a US organization may be compromised, manipulated or acting as a double agent.

And how can regular people learn to recognize these patterns without jumping to paranoia? It’s a great question, Andrew. What impact has your service with the CIA had on your family? And have there been death threats? How did you prepare yourself being undercover, portraying to be a character, to get deep cover, to achieve your objectives? And then secondly, how do you manage to reprogram yourself to be yourself? I love how thoughtful this question is. My friends. If you want to hear the rest of this eye opening interview, join my school community. Link is in the description. I think this is probably my wife is sitting there.

She does the video. I don’t think I’ve had a more fascinating conversation. I could speak to you for the rest of the afternoon. As a matter of fact, I’m going to hold you to this. You said you come to LA six times a year. You got to call me one time, be my pleasure to take you out to dinner and we’ll just talk. That was wonderful. Yeah, I mean that. I mean this, this was tremendous. Thank you. Thank you so much, really. All right, my friends, there you have it. I don’t know about you, but I’m fascinated, you know? Know what I’m fascinated about? You know, I got to tell you this.

The CIA and the mob, they’re similar in so many ways. I really mean it. You heard what he said, Andrew? He said we commit crimes, but we’re protected in committing our crimes because we’re doing it for the betterment of the country, of the nation, of the world. In many ways, very fascinating. He went through everything, all that we’ve talked about, and again, I believe this was very unbiased. I wasn’t coming from a place other than I wanted information. I wanted to hear what his perspective was. Amazing what he said about Israel. Amazing what he said about Netanyahu.

Some of the influence that are talking about it now. I think he answered some questions. All right. Pretty fascinating to me, what he said about the Charlie Kirk situation, you know? You know, look, people, there’s a lot of stuff floating around, and we have to understand this. A lot of things floating around. Are we ever really getting good information, the right information? I think he cleared that up. Would the government know? He said the government is corrupt. Governments all over the world are corrupt. We might be one of. Well, we’re not the most corrupt. We could say that.

But we are corrupt to a certain extent. And I’ve been saying that. Wrote the book Mafia Democracy. He wrote a book, Shadow Cell. I would advise you to listen to this guy. I mean it. He’s. He’s got a very good perspective. You see how he answered? There was no hesitation at all. He knows what he’s talking about. I consider the guy very, very smart. As a matter of fact, if you remember what I said, to be in the FBI, okay, it’s important. You got to have maybe a college background. You got to have proper training, investigative work.

But to be in the CIA, you got to be a risk taker, no question about it. You got to have some street smarts, no question about it. And you got to have a pretty strong constitution, I would say to be in a job like that, it’s espionage all the time. It’s fascinating to me. This might be the first of. Of a few that I sit down. I could have sat down with him for several hours. No question about it. I had so many questions. And again, you know, would you now hesitate in thinking that the CIA would work with the mob, you know, to get whatever it is they needed to get done? Of course not.

Is it realistic? Yes. Were they involved in the Kennedy assassination? He didn’t come out and say it. But would you put it past them now? I don’t think so. A lot of the things that we’ve been talking about, I think Andrew has been able to clear up. Fascinating interview. Go buy the book Shadow Cell. I think you’ll enjoy it. And remember Mafia Democracy, because he just corroborated everything that I’ve been saying about our government and it’s listen people, we got to learn to live with it. We’re not going to do anything about it, you know, in real terms but we, we got to learn to live with it.

But we also have to understand that at some point in time we can effectuate change. There’s power in numbers. We have to pay attention. We got to know what’s going on. Fascinating interview. I hope to have him back on again, people. And what more is there to say? How do I always leave you? Same way. Be safe after you listen to this, be even safer. Be healthy. Yes, God bless each and every one of you. Thanksgiving is coming up. Your neighbors, your friends, your family, your loved ones, your communities, your and yes, God bless America because we need God blessing America.

See you next time. Take care. Sa.
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