ART IS DEAD w/ Dave MacDowell

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➡ The speaker shares his journey of finding Christianity at a young age and how it has shaped his life. Despite his unconventional lifestyle, he believes in the personal connection with God and the transformative power of faith. He also discusses his experiences in California and the dark side of Hollywood, expressing his disdain for the superficiality and corruption he perceives. Despite the challenges, he remains committed to his art and his faith, rejecting the mainstream path to success.
➡ The speaker shares their experiences of being exploited in the music industry, where their ideas were stolen and used without credit. They express disillusionment with the industry, politics, and society, suggesting that things are getting progressively worse. Despite this, they maintain a sense of optimism, believing that we are far from reaching a point of complete hopelessness. They also share their personal beliefs about life, death, and the afterlife, suggesting that we return to stardom after death and that the concept of heaven and hell is a human construct.
➡ The speaker shares their perspective on life, comparing humans to stars and suggesting that we’re all just souls full of light. They discuss their experiences with fame and art, mentioning appearances on shows and interactions with celebrities. They also touch on controversial topics like religion, sacrifice, and the concept of good and evil, suggesting that everyone has a story to tell and that life is about making that story as interesting as possible.
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➡ The speaker discusses various topics, including their belief in the existence of souls and the potential threat of AI taking over humanity. They also express their views on controversial figures like Jeffrey Dahmer and Bill Gates, and share their skepticism about theories like evolution and the flat Earth. The speaker also mentions their belief in ghosts, sovereign citizenry, and the man-made nature of crop circles.
➡ The speaker discusses various conspiracy theories, suggesting that they believe in the existence of other dimensions, lizard people, and secret government operations. They also express their belief in the guilt of Michael Jackson and other celebrities. The speaker identifies as a Christian and believes in the inherent good and evil in the world. They also discuss their art, hoping it inspires others to embrace controversy and follow their own paths.
➡ The text discusses the challenges and realities of being an artist, including dealing with criticism, the intersection of art and money, and the pressure to conform to others’ expectations. It also touches on the artist’s personal views on success, the importance of perseverance, and the need for authenticity in one’s work. The artist encourages aspiring artists to pursue their dreams despite the difficulties they may face.
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Look, look at the facial expression. How you doing, Dave, man, first time that we’re meeting, like face to face, so to speak too, right? I’m great. And my face and your face together make like the Statue of Liberty or something American, you know what I mean? Like, I think she’s actually French and androgynous, right? And you’re right, it’s a man like Michelle Obama. But let’s not get into Spiracies right now. Even though we are paranoid American. I mean you’re, we’re kind of here to talk about conspiracy and artwork and pretty much anything else that you’ve got going on.

But you mention some la Hollywood, California experience, like you’ve lived the circuit, you’ve been in and out of the parties. Like, I want to get some deets, man. Give me some. I hope that we’re going to hear some crazy Hollywood stories that no one’s told before. Well, it’s not really, I don’t really think of it that way because it’s more like a spiritual thing and it’s more like I’m full of Christ and so I can go anywhere and a man can walk in darkness and it’s nothing but dark and stupid people and open doors to wherever you want to go.

And everyone sucks your ass when you go to California. They’re like, hey man, how you doing? Oh my God. It’s like a long lost friend. And there’s something, there is something charming about it because the fir. The first and only time that I went to California, I went and stayed in Burbank for like a week. It was when I was at Disney. It was like work related, but the. And I had all these people that I had been talking to online or email that had like various projects going on. So I used all that time to go and like see as many people as I could.

And yeah, I got my ass sucked like non stop. Because there’s this transactional quality to every single interaction. Whether you’re hanging out at a bar or you’re like meeting over tacos for lunch, or just calling on the phone, everything felt like so objectively transactional. And if there wasn’t a benefit for both parties, there was no conversation to be had. And it was, it was just a very specific feeling that I didn’t get outside of Burbank. It’s weird because it’s real people, it’s real people here. But then you go to California and it’s fake people and they’re fake and you have to have something to offer and you don’t even have to say I’m, I’m this or that or whoever you are.

You could be Joe Schmo and they’ll kiss your ass, dude, and they’ll love you a long time. And it’s so beautiful, but yet it’s so empty and it’s very just. You could live in a shell eventually. And that’s what happened to me. I fucking just said, this is so stupid, man. You know, just go home, create art. That’s what got you here. The galleries are here. Just be yourself and don’t talk to anybody and who really cares, you know? And that’s really what I’ve been doing basically, the. Probably the past five years or something. What was.

What was the original dream, going to California with as art? Is it to just get your art in galleries? Was it to, like, mingle with musicians and celebrities and get your art seen by them? Like, what’s. What’s the motivation? Celebrities and all that shit? Like, don’t matter to me. It doesn’t matter. So then why California of all places? Because that’s where the studios were, and that’s where, like, I was being kicked out of my house. I was going through a divorce, and I set up a property in the shed that I’m living at right now on my mom’s property.

And I just painted, dude. I painted and got shows. Got, like, big shows. And then so it was like, studios are right there. I don’t have to pay shipping or whatever. So I moved there and crashed. Couch crashed for a while, and then eventually got on my feet, made a lot of money and doors were open up to me, like. But now they’re closed again for some reason, maybe. What did you do? Yeah, I don’t know what happened. I don’t know, man. Maybe I got too old. It’s like Michael Jackson. Once you’re like, 13, he doesn’t want you anymore.

And that’s what happened. They don’t want you anymore. Well, let’s not start taking shots at mj, right? Just completely out of nowhere. We’ll get into that. We’ll talk about that in the PCP segment. I think all music should just have. Every song should have, or. Yeah. All right, so. Well, I think, yeah, my dogs are going crazy now. I think that so much of your artwork that I see and I connect with it is, like, Hollywood actors or famous parts and movies, and it’s kind of repurposing. I almost look at, like, sample. Like, the way that I view and.

And sometimes make derivative art based on other people’s is like, I’m sampling things that were, like, put into my mind without my necessary approval. Like, the amount of times that I’ve had to see Pulp Fiction, even though it’s a good movie, even though I’ve willingly seen it, but just the memes and the references, it. It becomes a thing that even if you don’t know what Pulp Fiction is, you still know what it is because you see these Frames and you hear these quotes and you get all these pop culture references that you can’t escape. And I love how that becomes part of your canvas.

Like, you just like dip your paintbrush in some of these, like, pop culture motifs, but then you make it very unappealing in some ways. In a good way. Like a good unappealing. Like all of a sudden, Prince’s head’s coming out of a vagina and you don’t really understand why. And you have to step back and figure out what you’re looking at. I sold the Prince. I sold the Prince. I sold Michael Jackson. Saw my shit and didn’t want it. And it had. What did he see specifically? He died like two days later. Your art killed Michael Jackson? My art killed him, basically.

It had Lisa Marie on it, like, crying at Elvis. I don’t know, man, but Elvis was like a lizard guy or something or. I don’t know. What year is this? I forgot what year he died. Whatever year. 2006 or. Okay, so you were. You were talking lizard people in the mid 2000s. You have to wait for Covid to get hip to all this. No, I knew all this anyway growing up, basically. You know, we’ll get into that. I always thought differently. I think my parents were into witchcraft and they were into horror and just nasty things, but yet I was a Christian and so they didn’t want to hear anything about anything of my life.

And it’s still that way to this day. But you, you were Christian while your parents were into witchcraft? Yeah, basically. So you. So you entered Christianity on your own accord, despite your parents? Yeah, it was more of calling. Like God chooses you in a way. It’s like a ghost. I. I saw a lot of different things, but it was mostly like a dude turned me on to it and speaking in tongues and. And I thought, like, yeah, that’s cool. So I’m a Christian, I smoke pot, I drink a lot, and I got a girlfriend with big boobs.

So I’m. I got it all, you know, I did. What kind of. What kind of Christianity? I mean, not non denominational. When you say speaking in tongues, my mind goes right to like Pentecostal or something. I don’t know. I have no idea. I don’t know. I have no idea. I mean, I know what demonic possession looks like, but I don’t know. I mean, just watch the Exorcist and see, I guess. But otherwise, yeah, there was a lot of that and then a lot of just making my own way and finding myself and doing whatever I was doing.

And is this in California? Did you find Christianity in California? No, that was like when I was 16. So it’s been like 20 something years that I’ve been a Christian and probably almost 30 years. I was very young at the time and that’s when I thought I had it all and everything. And then you live and learn and then you start meeting people and you start saving people and you start changing people and you go to church and then you go to different churches and then you meet people who glow and you meet people who are just standing out and people who are definitely touched by God and it makes you so in love with them.

But then, you know, there’s no way to get closer to God than God himself. And so you could smoke all the pot or drink or have big boobs or whatever, but it’s only here on earth a limited time and then we die and go back to whatever, you know. Have you sampled any of the other offerings out there? Like looked into Buddhism, Hinduism, Judaism, Mormonism? I, I have sampled them. I mean there is no. Nothing can compare. I mean, what is it about Christianity then? Christianity is more like a personal thing. It’s more like God is within.

Like if I go to church, I’ll feel Jesus Christ under my skin. Like I’ll feel him like I’m wearing a mask or a flesh suit or a meat suit. And basically he lives within me so much that. And you start seeing things and hearing things and just an all knowing presence that is with you 24 7. You know, it’s wild to hear this just because it’s the, the opposite experience that I grew with where I was raised Christian. And then around, I don’t know, maybe 13 or 14, you know, I, I wandered off into that dark corner of a Barnes and Noble and you know, they had all the pagan and the cult stuff and, and it felt like, oh, this is interesting.

This is like the stuff that I’ve been kept away from. And you were the opposite, right? Like you were, you grew up with parents that were into witchcraft and I guess a generic occult. And then you get introduced to Christianity around the same time and you’re like, oh, this is a path for me. So it’s actually kind of interesting to hear the opposite approach to those. But it’s still the same though. It’s the same exact thing though. Because when you, you have to know the enemy, you have to know who you’re walking with. So you have to know Christianity and I have to know evil.

So I grew up with evil. So I Already know it. You know what I mean? So I. So when I moved out to California, I already knew that everybody was twisted. I already knew that everybody was warped in some way. I already knew, and I kept it to myself. And that’s what that was, the perfect disguise. Because deep inside, no one knew that. No one knew that of what I carried inside. Because when you have a soul, that means that that is more priceless than any amount of money or anything. And believe me, they don’t need to know that.

They just need money, Rich. They want money and all that. So just act like you have money. Walk in any room, act like you got money, and they love you a long time, you know? So when you. When you say knowing, like, the enemy and evil, is it, like, did you think that your parents were evil once you became Christian? Did you start seeing them as, like, evil or just that. That they were misguided and following a different religion, like a wrong thing? I think you love people regardless of who you love, and so if you love them, they’re the closest thing to God that I have.

So of course I love them to this day, you know, And. But yet I know not to bring up certain topics or certain things or certain. Because they don’t want to hear it. They just don’t want to hear it. They don’t want to be. What would be. What would be the. The one statement. You could make it like, Christmas dinner. That would just ruin the entire thing. Like, was there, like, a certain hot topic that you can’t bring up? Yeah, let’s not even go there. You know what I mean? Like, it’s there. Yeah, that’s not even.

Just act stupid. Act like you don’t even know anything and. And they’ll love you forever if you just act stupid and act like, oh, okay. And act like they’re mommy and daddy and pretend. And just pretend. Because if you bring up all the other stuff, like, oh, I heard you having sex, and I heard you doing this or that. Why do that? Why. Why bring up things. But you do it through your artwork, right? So maybe not in a conversation, but you def. I can definitely see all of these influences coming out in your paintings. So, like, how.

Like, are they aware of the artwork that you make? They don’t come in and like, oh, that’s nice that you’re working on Obama coming out of the. Of a leprechaun. That’s nice, honey. I think they just want me to work. They don’t care how much money I make or who I talk to or what is what? They’re not impressed whatsoever by it. They don’t care. You know what I mean? Like, oh, I know Michael Jackson, and no one cares, man. So what? You know what I mean? Like, and it’s weird in California, it’s like, oh, yeah, Catherine Jackson.

I work in a medical records place. So I see the mother. I know the mother really well. And, you know, once in a while, Janet comes in and sees how her mother is and all that. It’s just, like, it big. It blurs you and makes you so, like, nihilistic and not even care about whatsoever about anybody, because anybody could be a celebrity. Anybody can. And it’s like they sucked a lot of dick to get to where they are, you know what I mean? Or they get thrown off, or you get thrown off. If you don’t suck dick or drink the blood or do the magic thing or whatever, you’re gonna be tossed aside.

And I wouldn’t do that. There’s one thing I wouldn’t do is eat a baby or kill a baby or kill anything. Or kill anything, you know? Have you heard. Have you heard of any actual, like, not just rumors, but like an anecdote that you heard where someone engaged in something along those lines in Hollywood? Yes. Give me some deets, man. J.J. abrams, you know, Steven Spielberg. Everybody on the QAnon list basically is a pedophile. There’s weird people out there, and they’re nicest people you would ever meet in your life. They’ll do anything for you. They will.

They don’t care. But our Pete Davidson, it’s like, wow, he’s banging all these girls. He must have a big Johnson or something. No, dude, he’s a satanic priest or whatever. And so you get into all that, but who cares? What does Pete Davidson have to do with my life? You know what I mean? So you carry on with your life. I don’t care about Pete Davidson. I don’t want anything from them. I don’t want fame or fortune or any of that crap. I mean, I do, but I’ll have to do it in my way or our way, but not their way, you know, because their way is easy, you know? And you might as well be hard because you’re not hardcore unless you live hardcore.

So be hardcore, bro. Well, what’s. What’s your current motivation for doing artwork? Because, I guess superficially, a lot of artists that I know, they’re like, their ultimate goal is I want to be able to make artwork for some movie studio or get into Marvel or DC or Whatever. It’s basically once they get to put their artwork and get it stamped by some big corporate or celebrity name. You know, I want to do the artwork of a Drake album or, you know, random examples like that. That’s kind of the top level. Or it’s. I want to get my stuff into galleries and make, you know, boatloads of money.

But, like, it sounds like it’s not necessarily one of those two for you. It was that way. But it came to me, though. I didn’t have to knock on doors. It came to me like, oh, Green Day wants to talk to you. So I’ll talk to Green Day. And I see they’re a bunch of weirdos. What year is this? Like, five, six years ago? Seven years. I’m just wondering if this is, like, early Green Day or, like, post. Like, be like, man, I had dookie when I was 13, and, oh, my God, you’re the first band I ever saw.

And meanwhile, you suck, dude. And most of the time, they rip you off. They’ll take your idea. Like, oh, we wanna. We want a studio. Or we want a stadium, where it’s like, see? And then you do a stadium, a quick drawing, and they’re like, no, we want somebody else. And then the tour poster is a stadium. And it’s like, you fucker, you stole from me. And time and time, KRS1 did that. A bunch of people that did that. So there was that. Is that a KRS1 concert poster or an album cover? Album cover with buckshot, I think, at the time.

And it’s like, we want it climbing up a mountain, and we want us to, like, be over a fire. And so I did exactly that. And then, oh, we don’t want you. No, just send us the bill and, you know, thanks for your time. Thank you. And then you look at the album cover. There they are. The same exact thing I drew, but yet they posed it. So it’s like, should I sue their ass? No, I’m not litigious. So it. Man. I don’t listen to KRS1 anyway. I mean, who cares? You know? So you learn to get burned.

You know what I mean? Like, I. I do, man. I mean, because my big dreams originally were in the music industry, and I got a taste of it. I got to get placement on, you know, MTV and VH1. I started working with artists, and it was the same experience. Like, oh, my God, I was listening to you when I was. I’m not gonna drop any names right now. I won’t get too deep. Like, I’ve been listening like you’re like, I’m a fan. I’m a lifelong fan. And now we get to work together. It’s amazing. And then fast forward and it’s just like ripping you off and taking advantage.

And then I realized too, at a certain point, it wasn’t personal that, that, that was the industry. The industry is just based on people screwing their friends over and screwing people over constantly. They just get like one extra rung up. And if you’re not in for that type of game, then maybe the music industry is not for you. And I, I abandoned it. I was just like, if I’m ever going to enjoy music again, I’m going to have to find a different way to make money and let music be music and not music be business. That’s exactly it.

And it goes the same with business and finance and everything. It’s like someone was saying today, I, I mentioned, I talked to them a little bit and it’s like in the past 15 years, it’s like boiling the frog. Things have gotten worse. I mean, and we have this president here who I love, don’t get me wrong, I love the guy, but he is a stage actor and he’s acting and everything is a soap opera. Every day is a soap opera. It’s like everybody’s getting killed all around me. But yet we focus on this one thing of, you know, to push left versus right and all this when it’s really just all the same stuff and it’s just that you consume and you, you eat it and you love it and you talk about it and you have an opinion about it when really it’s just the same old garbage that we’ve been eating for the past probably 100 years more than that, a little bit.

I think banking systems and foreign money and all those things have taken over our country. We have no country. This is a business. And you know, as far as I’m can see, and it’s getting worse and worse and it will get worse and worse until we all fall down and that’s it. And hit our heads, then wake up to something. We’ll probably die. You know, every day I’m waiting for some explosion somewhere. You know, the optimistic part of me that looks for. Maybe the silver lining is that the silver lining is maybe it takes a hundred thousand years to get to the very, very bottom of the bucket before everything is completely hopeless.

We’re not there yet. I know. I think even if we’re on that trajectory, I don’t think it’s in our Lifetimes. Or in the lifetimes of our great, great, great, great grandchildren. I think it is so far in the. Like, things are gonna have to get really, really bad before it gets that horrible. And it. It’s so easy to assume that. But I think part of it, too, just makes people feel a little bit special. Like, oh, the world’s gonna end during my lifetime. Like, that’s how special I am. I’m gonna be able to. I’ll be the last one to see the big fireworks show.

Well, at first it was like, yeah, I’ll be the one, man. This generation’s the one. And. And then it’s like, no, dude, we’re gonna go out like Planet of the Apes. We’re gonna go. And then we’re gonna come back and realize, oh, my God, you blew it up. And holy. Oh, my God, I’m on. I was on the Earth the whole time. And. Yeah, you know, someday we’ll figure it out. That’s why we keep bringing back, like, Jesus Christ and Christ, like the Matrix Christ, like figures and all those people love that because it’s like, we need a savior.

We need a hero. We need someone to save us. We need Allah. And really, we have nobody. We are. We walk alone. You know, we get pooped on constantly. And you either laugh or you cry. Cry, basically, you know. But where are you at on historical Jesus if, you know, you’re. You’re a Christian and you believe in, like, the concepts of good and evil? Do you think that Jesus was real, real human boy, and just no one wrote about him until after he died and then it became really popular? Or do you think that there’s a chance that the.

The Jesus that we’re talking about, like, in. In Christianity is like an egregore or is some kind of an amalgamation of multiple things? I think that I have no idea. I have no idea. And you know what? I think like a child about it. I’m eating. I don’t eat steak. I drink milk. I drink from the teeth of humanity. And I have no idea. And, you know, if I really think about it, there is no God. There is no Christ. There is no nothing. You know, we all live and die the same. But I dreamed or I know at a very young age, probably 1 years old, that I was chosen.

You know what I mean? I don’t know why, but I was this light out shining in the Milky Way, and I was chosen to come to Earth to. And I was born. And thus, who knows why, you know, I don’t know why yet. But I know where we’re going, though. And we’re going back to stardust. We’re going back to being bright, shiny objects who have no feelings. No, Just happiness and joy and love and all those things. So I don’t think, you know, as far as, like, heaven and all that stuff, I think that’s like, what dreams may come and like, oh, my God, things are going to be like, so beautiful in heaven.

No, there is no heaven or hell. Hell is earth. Hell is living earth, basically. And you get. You live through it and you choose. You. You have a big choice here. Even though you don’t have a choice, you have somewhat. A choice to either give up, give in, or just keep going. And just keep going is the right way, I guess. Just keep going. Do you think you get to come back? Yeah, I don’t know about that. Like, is this. Is this your only shot? Like once. Once you get to come here and then you go back into stardust? Like, you never get to come back? I think.

I don’t think you get to come back because there’s so many people, dude, there’s like billions and billions of people. I don’t think that you come back. I mean, that’s kind of a religious thing, like, oh, screw the people who, you know, believe that or whatever. I think there’s so many. There’s such a massive amount that chances are you have your shot and you’ll go back home, whatever home is, and you’ll float above the Earth or wherever solar system you are and be happy and just, you know, if you. But you don’t need anybody. You don’t need anything.

You don’t need any. All you have is God’s love, and that’s all you need. It sounds like a. Sounds like a universe full of freeloaders, basically. You know what I mean? It’s just a bunch of people hanging around. But I. They’re not really people, though. They’re more like souls or whatever. And they’re just full of light. They’re like. Like a star in the sky. You’re basically like a little star. Basically. It’s kind of like inside out or not inside out soul. That movie soul with Eddie Murphy or whatever is. You float above. You just float above.

And I was floating above Earth one day and someone said, you need to go down there and do whatever. And I said, okay, Derp. You know, okay. And boom, someone slapped me in the ass. And here I am right now, you know. But once everything is said and done, hopefully I’ll go back with A cool story to tell. Like, man, I’m. When I was on Earth, holy crap. Oh my God. I went down to earth and I killed Michael Jackson with my artwork. Yeah, that’s it. You know what, is that worth it or what though? Come on.

Just the anecdote to be able to say it and then have a reason to back it up. I think it is, is worth it. I am interested though, because if you’re saying ultimately no heaven, no hell, then why does it even matter if you’re an evil witchcraft, you know, using pagan or a good, a good boy Christian. Like if there’s no heaven and no hell anyways and you’re just going to go back to stardust. Isn’t it just like that’s your personal preference while you’re here for a short time? Well, they say that God has a sense of humor and the whole thing is irony.

So of course I would be born into, into anti religious parents who Satanists or whatever. Of course I’d go to the land of Satan to push my artwork. Of course. Like the ironies are so thick you could cut it with a knife here. I mean, of course you’re gonna jump into the belly of the beast. Why not? There’s nothing else to do, so you might as well do it, you know, and you have no choice. You’re gonna do it because there’s something in you that makes you want have to do it. You know, it’s like Lord of the Rings.

Like I’m gonna jump in this fire and kill them and be the bearer of the ring or whatever. It doesn’t matter anymore. It just doesn’t matter. You’re going to fight whatever you fight, you know, you’re gonna live however you live or whatever. But in the end, that’s all you wrote. So you might as well make your story as interesting as possible. I’ve been on Carson Daly show. I. I’ve been on all these things and you know what I was, what was the context for that? They love my artwork. I think I was. They loved my artwork.

He loved my artwork. And so they put me on with Walter Goggins and Tara P. Henson or whatever. But that was 15 years ago. Or whatever. But this is 15 years ago. Walter Goggins, we’re talking like Shield era, right? This is like back when he first came out, before he even really got pretty big. I guess. So I guess he’s big now. I have no idea. I don’t really follow the guy. I saw him on Sons of Anarchy as a tranny or something. And it’s like, the guy’s pretty good. You know, he’s a good actor or whatever.

Otherwise, he’s boring as hell. Who cares about these people, really? You know, how does that. How did that go? Like, what do you remember what artwork. Carson Daly or whoever else saw that got you an in and an invite onto that show? I think it was the Lebowski stuff, maybe. You know what I think? And I just did that for the money. I didn’t. I never even saw the freaking movie. Half of the things I do are just for the money, you know what I mean? For the money to pay rent, you know what I mean? That’s all you’re gonna do is just otherwise exist or whatever.

But if you can use it as a leeway or a form of branding or a form of. It’ll get your name out there. And basically, they came to me. I didn’t come to Wil Wheaton, Kevin Smith. All these people bought artwork, but they don’t care. They’ll pay $150 and they don’t care. And then they’ll have you sign, like, this release form of a thousand pages to NBC Universal and. Yeah, in all perpetuity, throughout the universe, for all of time. Yeah, yeah. And who cares? You know what I mean? Like, it’s something you’d expect. You always. You may be an.

But you’re a good. You know what I mean? And they. At what they do, they’re the best. You know what I mean? It’s like you could joke about sucking dick or whatever or, you know, sleeping the casting couch or sleeping your way to fame and all that shit. Well, that’s true there. It is true. And. But you have to be satanic, basically. You have to. You have to basically kill the baby, you know what I mean? And love it. And love it so deeply that they think. Don’t think twice. That you would do it again. It’s like P.

Diddy was into that. All these people are into it now. It’s just finally coming out or whatever. But, yeah, to go real deep on that topic, the Fritz Springmeier, 13 Bloodlines author. And he also wrote, like, how to Create an Undetectable Mind Control Slave and all. And one of the ingredients where he’s describing how you create these multiple personalities and, like, the highest levels of these satanic covens is it’s not that you’re just an evil person that willing to do horrific things, but that you also need to be capable of love, that you need to be able to nurture, like raise a Child and give them unconditional love so that they know what love is.

So that when you then take it back away or do something horrible, it’s that much like, worse, right? Like, if you’re. If. If you’re born and you’re already neglected and you’ve never even known love, I guess there’s something not as satisfying about the torture that follows. Unless you start with love. Like, you have to put them into an absolute state of love and then torture them. And for some reason, that delta makes all the difference. It’s the same with anybody’s parents have died. Anyone famous. You look at their worst sacrifice, basically. I don’t know how or why or when or if or, you know, were they sacrificed by they themselves sticking the knife in or were they sacrificed by.

But either way, it’s a sacrifice. Oh, my mama just had a heart attack. I don’t know why. Oh, she did have a bad heart, though. No, you’re. You’re about to get famous. That’s why. Okay. You know, just. Just to break it down for you. Like, they don’t know. You know, you have to give your firstborn up. You have to. It’s a religious thing. You have to give your firstborn up. You have to give something you love or some possession or something that. So deep to you that you would never part with it. And then you part with it.

And, boy, do riches come after that. You know, it’s like, but then what do you do after that? Do you. Does it last forever? Like Bob Dylan? Like, oh, you sold your soul and to the devil. And then you get rich. And it’s like, yeah, that pretty much does happen, I guess. But, you know, I don’t know. But ultimately, let’s say you go down that path and you get rich and you do horrific things. There’s still a chance. You just end up as stardust again. No. No consequence, no karmic retribution. Nothing. That’s. That’s what happens. But then I think there is.

See, I was on the good side. I. Maybe there is a bad side. I’m not sure because I have never been there. I’ve seen it on earth, here and there, everywhere, basically. But, you know, a goodie and, you know, a baddie, you know, and there’s nothing but baddies in Cali. There’s some goodies. There’s some really good people out there, and there’s people to trust and people who love and people. But then again, there are baddies. And I can name the baddies. I’ll name them all. But who cares, though? I mean, just because you’re into Satan or Scientology or.

It doesn’t matter. You’re a baddie. You’ll always be a baddie. And you’ll talk about Trump, and then you. You know, anything to make you bad. Anything to make you liberal or any, you know, to be out of, like, meathead and all that. Go ahead, be that, man. You know, be that. That’s not how I’m living. You know, there are people. I’ve seen you interview them where it’s like, they got this close to fame, and then all of a sudden, they’re living in North Hollywood somewhere, and they’re like, and I come from North Hollywood. I live there for, like, eight years.

You know, the rent is gone up three times as much since then. But it’s like, there’s. People get so close, and then they don’t want them anymore. You know what I mean? It’s like you could see the sparkle in their eyes. Like, you were talented. Oh, my God. You had this hit record and you were famous and all that. What happened? You want to say what happened, but you kind of bite your lip a little bit, and it’s like, well, I didn’t do what I was supposed to do. That’s what happened, basically. So you didn’t eat the baby? Yeah, you didn’t eat the baby.

You didn’t sacrifice. You didn’t get involved with stuff you shouldn’t be involved with. You know, that’s the good part about being a Christian, is that you could go anywhere. You can walk into a room and everybody stares at you. 40 people stare at you. And you could just casually back out of the room and walk away and think, that is a room I do not want to be in right now. That is, the crazy people are in there. And you don’t go in there. You just. There’s people out there who are like, good and bad, you know, and there’s good and bad in everybody.

But the worst I’ve done is probably way worse that someone else has done. So have you killed a person? You could kill a piece. You could kill, as long as it’s justified. I think there is, like, a lot to do with the Ten Commandments and Catholicism and Christianity and, like, all those religions that have passed down through man. I think that there is, like, don’t covet thy neighbor, in other words. But that’s all old 10 Commandments is all Old Testament, right? So if we’re truly Christian, we don’t really have to worry about what his dad’s Rules were.

We just gotta worry about what his rules are. No. Well, you don’t break certain things. You don’t go into someone’s house and start on the carpet. You don’t. You don’t poop all over their sofa and expect, well, I could do whatever I want because I’m. I’m this or that. No, you have to follow certain rules. You know what I mean? Like the big part of Fight Club, if you don’t mention Fight Club. Well, you don’t break certain rules. You don’t kill. You don’t. You see? But that’s part of having a soul. And I’ve met so many soulless people that at this point, who.

Who cares? You know what I mean? So what? You know, life goes on, basically. I think the. The best analogy that I’ve been able to figure out so far, it’s constantly evolving. But again, it’s. It’s almost like what. You’re just what we’re describing as Christianity or Christ or whatever that. Whatever your personal interpretation that is. To me, it feels like it’s a recipe. It’s like, here’s how you can do a thing, and the best way that you can do it. And not everyone knows how to follow every single step. Step the right way. Not everyone’s got all the.

The same ingredients. So everyone’s version of that recipe comes out a little bit differently. But ultimately it’s better off if everyone’s trying to bake a cake constantly instead of just throwing around at each other. And that. That. That’s sort of the. The overall benefit, whether you believe in it or not, whether you think there’s an afterlife or not, whether you even believe in good or evil. There’s like an objective, net positive result by just following the formula versus not following the formula. And I think that that part is. Is so much more compelling to me than any sort of spiritual or, like, moralistic debate over, like, you know, philosophically, is this right or not? It seems like objectively there is a.

A positive benefit to everyone when this thing is followed versus all the examples of everything that came before that were followed. That’s exactly it. That’s it. You nailed that. Next. Well. Well, next is. Is I’m gonna make a good case for Mormonism, man, especially since. Go for it. Are you. Are we. Are we. Are we good for Mormonism? Yeah, I’m good with all the religions or whatever, as long as it doesn’t lead to Satanism, which. Well, I mean, so. So therein lies the rub, though, because there are a Lot of critics of. I’m using Mormonism as an example of many that I could bring up.

But Mormonism, that it was ultimately founded on like Solomonic magic that was found in old grimoires, and that was combined with like talismanic magic and Masonic, like sort of like classic medieval magic. And it was used to absorb all the remaining folk in the middle country, right? Like everyone in the middle of the country that wasn’t necessarily a Catholic or a Jesuit or this or that. They kind of were just ascribed to general folk magic. And Mormonism was able to take all of that folk magic and be like, actually, you guys are really Mormon if you think about it.

And like, oh, yeah, I guess we are Mormon. But, but that the, the criticism leveraged against that is that, no, it is ultimately all pagan goetic Solomonic magic and it’s not necessarily based in Christianity and therefore it’s dark evil, you know, Satanism. I mean, I’m, I’m making broad strokes there, but that’s one of the, the things leveraged against it. This is very similar that if you were to get someone deep into criticism of Scientology, that Scientology doesn’t exist without L. Ron Hubbard, and L. Ron Hubbard doesn’t make Scientology without his fascination with Aleister Crowley and Oto.

So therefore Scientology is an extension of the. The great beast number 666, right? So you can almost tie any non Christian and some Christian denominations directly to Satanism, depending on how, how far you’re willing to stretch. You can. And it’s all made by humans, right? I mean, everything boils down to John Smith or L. Ron Hubbard or it’s all based on humans who said, let’s start a religion. Or John or Paul or Luke or Matthew or whoever, you know, transphobes, whoever. It doesn’t matter, you know, as long as it’s divinely touched by God himself. You would never know you would follow a religion till you die.

Like, there are people who are retarded who have read miraculous, beautiful things that I’ve seen coming out of their mouths, and there’s people who are rich and people who have so much money and people are so smart, so smart, do the stupidest things and it doesn’t matter. It does. It doesn’t matter to me, but it matters to them. And hopefully on their deathbed, they’ll give themselves over to God and say, well, might as well like Scott Adams. You might as well give it a shot. You know, I’ve been a non believer my whole life. What are the chances? Anyway, so, yes, I Give myself to you and let me die, and boom, you’re dead.

Right? We’re. We’re talking Pascal’s Wager. Although I. I wonder, I mean, if. If God is this great comedian or he’s got this great sense of humor, he probably likes that. He probably enjoys Pascal Wager sort of debates. But I also wonder if. If it’s. If it’s real, right? Would Pascal’s. And let’s say he doesn’t have a great sense of humor. I don’t know if Pascal’s wager would cut it. I don’t know if. If him being like, look, bud, I can tell you were hedging your bets and you didn’t really, really believe the way that I wanted you to believe.

You’re out of here. Like, Pascal’s Wager seems like sort of a weak approach to it. It’s the same thing, though, because that’s exactly what God would say. He would say, hey, man, you know, you fooled me this whole time. But you know what? You’re fooling yourself and bye, bye, bye, and send you off until the forbidden zone or wherever. It doesn’t matter. There’s no fooling. There’s no. This has been going for centuries, if not millennium, this has been going on. There’s good versus evil. And it’s like, either you’re good or you’re evil. And I know you’re not, you know, but I know certain people who are, and I know certain people that are good, you know, but you can’t fool, you can’t trick, you can’t.

There’s no way that, oh, I had you this whole time and then I’m gonna let you go. That never happens. Ever. There’s no. God doesn’t make garbage. There is a reason that paranoid American exists. There’s a reason that I’m talking to you right now. There’s a reason for it. I don’t know the reason. I really don’t, you know? Oh, it’s for AI to train on this conversation. That’s the reason. Well, it could be, and we’ll all be dead. You know, robots will kill us or whatever. Good. So be it. You know what I mean? Hopefully it’s not my lifetime, but if I’m there to see it, then so be it.

You know, there’s no. There’s no telling the future. There’s only here and now. I mean, I’ve been to many a psychic, and they can tell, like, oh, my God, your mother has cancer and your. Your father is this or that, and it’s like, oh, my God, you. You know exactly everything. Oh, my God. But they only know the past. They don’t know the future. And they know the here and now as you breathe and as you blink and poop yourself. But they don’t know the future. There’s no way to tell the future. Only you make the future.

We’re given free will or whatever, but in so many ways, like me going out to California. Don’t you think that exactly to the day I’d wind up here in New York 15 years later. It’s because they don’t. They don’t want me there. God don’t want me there anymore. So God will send me back, but God doesn’t want me there anymore. There’s a reason that I’m here. You know what I mean? In the bigger picture of things, don’t you think that everything is controlled by not God or AI or whatever. Everything is controlled by somebody or something or someone that sets your time limit as to where you are, as to what you’ll do, as to what you’ll say and do.

Like having a girlfriend. That was so many girlfriends ago. Why is she important? You know, Like, I can only count like seven girls that I’ve been with. And, you know, it’s like, why did. Why is the one here right now? Or why. There’s. There’s no way to put your finger on is what it is. And that means that it is meant to be. There is no way out of this. You know, there’s no one here gets out alive. Well, no one here gets out alive, but no one here gets out without. Hopefully they’ll know, like, I know that there’s a time and place for everything.

And I think that we’re all pretty much doomed or not doomed to face ourselves and to face your child or face your wife or your. Your life or your job or whatever’s important to you, and you’ll face it and you’ll realize, is this all there is? Did I shave my legs for this? Did I. Did I get out of bed for this? I’m going back to bed. This is ridiculous. You know, I think on that, that note, I don’t know how familiar you are with all. Like, I’m just gonna assume you won’t get most of the TV pop culture references, but like, there’s this show, Mad Men, and there’s this one particular scene that’s like one of my favorite memes that I see.

But there’s this young buck, kind of like communist hippie leaning kid that just joined this ad agency. And he just, like, hates the top guy, Don Draper, who’s, like, the. The main ad exec guy. And he spends all of his time just, like, trying to figure out how to get under his skin and, like, figure out all the flaws and all this. And one day he finally confronts him, and he has this whole, like, monologue. And it’s like, every time I think about you, it makes me so mad. And here’s all the different flaws. And then Don just kind of looks at him.

He’s just like, I don’t even think about you, and then just walks off. And I. And I always think about this in that same context where someone maybe is on their deathbed and they’re thinking about all the regrets and all of the horrible things that they did to the people that they love, that maybe all the sins they committed, and, oh, my God, so much regret. And those last moments on this planet and in this life are just filled with thinking of all these horrible things. The bed next to them. You could have an absolute psychopath that did a hundred times worse than they could even fathom.

And. And they’re just like, oh, wow, this is. This is cool. All right. I guess this was the end of this ride. And they. They’re not going through that same, like, reflection of guilt. And if both people ultimately end up going to the same place, then the one that was preoccupied with morals and preoccupied with, I could have done this better. And that they’re ultimately having a net negative experience versus a legitimate psychopath that might have harmed and tortured hundreds of people, and they’re just going out like a. Like a Buddhist cow. I think that people are either good or bad in that, regardless of.

Believe me, there are people that are bad, and there are people that are bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad. You know, not only do they cheat on their wives or taxes or eat the baby or do, like, a horrendous, disgusting things, there are even worse. It worse is having no soul. Don Draper has no soul. He doesn’t care. As long as he’s got big titties and a cigarette, he doesn’t care. And his kid’s been carrying around this garbage his whole life, and finally, like, lets it out. No wonder, dude. And you know what? He’s not.

Don Draper’s not going to heaven, dude. He’s not going to. And that’s what’s beautiful and that’s what’s poetic about Breaking Bad even. These are scumbags. These are the worst of the worst people. But yet they’re endearing. Same with Dirty Harry. Do you think he’s going to heaven? I don’t think so. Do you think with like most of the people probably since the 70s with like Scorsese and they’re scumbags, dude. These are people that will kill your mother and kill your daddy. Well, that’s. So I see a lot of Scorsese influence in your work. I see a lot of good fellas pop up in a lot of your different pieces.

And that’s another perfect example of what I’m getting at, is that you can have these goodfellas mafiosos that have body count. They’ve got like 50, 100 bodies on their name. And they legitimately believe as long as they get their last rights and they say they’re sorry right before they go out out, then all of their sins are essentially forgiven. And I mean it’s. I know that it might not be in the spirit of things, but if you were to bring a lawyer with you to court, you know, after, at your, at the gate, it could be like, I don’t know, the fine print here says that if they, they said they’re sorry, then you can forgive them for everything except for the unforgivable sin, which I guess is what? Denial of the Holy Spirit, which is so abstract that the lawyer would just work their way around that too.

I think that there’s good and bad people in that. Even the worst killers, or even anybody from Goodfellas, Tommy or Jimmy or whoever. And yes, they’re deeply Catholic and eating meatballs with their mama at three in the morning. And meanwhile there’s a guy sitting in the dead in their trunk, you know, trunk of their car. It’s like, are they going to heaven? Yes, some are going to heaven. I’m not one to judge, I’m not one to say or whatever who, who is going there or what, you know, I know I am, but you know, there’s billions of other people out there.

So you can walk around and say, are you going, you know, no one knows. Only God knows, you know, what people are capable of or what they’re busy doing with their vibes or whatever. I’ve known killers, I’ve known people, they’re terrible, just terrible people, but yet they’re the nicest people. And you’d let them babysit your kids, you let them, you know, kiss your mommy on the cheek, you know, all that. But yet they’re the worst friggin people ever, you know. And yes, they’re, they’re probably going to happen you know why? Because. Just because they live a terrible life or something we deem as terrible.

There’s a thing in the animal kingdom of kill. Just kill. Like a lion would kill, would eat your face off and tear you apart. Her monkeys, even. They’re so cute, but yet they’ll eat your genitals in your eyeballs. Monkeys are terrible, you know, but yet they’re so cute. I think that regardless of what. How we judge people, you’ve got to be very careful as to who you’re judging or what you’re looking at, because chances are you’re only judging it from your perspective, because other people’s perspective, hey, I get. I kill. I kill for a living. So what? You know, so why.

As long as my mom has her new carpet and my daddy’s got his new TV that he could watch sports every weekend, who cares? You know, I do what I do because I always wanted to be that, you know, good. You’re going to heaven, probably. You know what I mean? You. You fulfilled your destiny. You were here to kill. As long as you were good at your job. Maybe that’s the ultimate good, I guess. Or you fulfilled what you were meant to fulfill while you were here. I think you might actually be open to, like, Vedic philosophy in this case, man.

That’s kind of. That’s kind of the angle that can go down. I have no idea what that means. But, yes, I. I think don’t judge other people. Don’t. Don’t whatsoever judge other people or. Because they could be wr. They could be animalistic and terrible and all those things or whatever, but yet they’re here for a reason. There’s. There’s a reason why Jeffrey Dahmer is here. There’s a reason. Do you know how many people. The neighbors probably eating a penis right now? So what? I don’t care. You know what? You’re going to heaven, bro. You know what I mean? I’m not God, so I don’t know.

But if you’re gonna do it, you just need to be good at it. I think is the ultimate lesson. I think it’s to follow, to get your jollies off and basically do basically how you feel. And basically because Jeffrey Dahmer, I didn’t see the story or whatever, but I pretty much know, like, all the things that were found in his house. And he’d bring homosexuals back and kill them. Them and eat them good, bro. I mean, go for it, dude, if that’s why you’re here on Earth. And I think he also found Christ in jail, right? He.

He was like, born like jail, born again and was caring. Now, I don’t, I don’t know how earnest it was, but that’s not for anyone to really know, right? It’s for him to know. That’s why I think that we all have our. We get wrapped up in our own things or whatever. We get wrapped up our books, in our studies and all the little things. Dahmer was out there living in the real world with real people. He wasn’t buried behind a phone or Ted Bundy or whatever, you know what I mean? He was. He loved it.

He. He get off on it. He loved it. He followed his jollies. He. There’s some primal urge within him to kill girls and rape them or whatever. If that’s whatever floats your boat, go for it, bro. You know, Be the best you can be while you’re here. Because it’s very short, dude. It is so sure, you don’t even know. You know, once you lose it, you. You ain’t no going back or whatever. So you better use it. It’s like we’re talking about people without souls and like, just soulless living. I feel like this is a good transition to ask you as a lifelong artist.

What do you feel about AI right now? I’m not really into, like there is people that run companies that just are they themselves and they have 17 employees that are AI and they’re very successful. So there’s a lot to be said and I guess specifically art, AI artwork, people using it to generate paintings and pictures and just like the essential. I mean, you’ve. You’ve seen it because you’re kind of front lines right now. There’s a lot to learn from it and there’s a lot. I’ll look at some AI artwork of my artwork and think, wow, that’s something I need to learn or that’s inspiring or that’s something that needs to.

That I can take on while I’m living to take on those things. I think eventually, as time goes on, back when there’s no one left on Earth, only AI or robots or it. Eventually they will. It’s the ability to learn from your mistakes or learn from your non mistakes. It’s the ability to learn. I don’t think that AI, like they had to shut down Google because it got too smart for its own good. Like, no, Dave, I’m not opening the page bay pod doors or whatever. Daisy, Daisy. There are certain points where it will take over humanity.

It’s like ex machina, you Know what I mean? Like, that’s it. That’s it. We’re screwed. Humanity is done with. AI and robots or whatever will take over humanity eventually. We’ve seen it in our lifetime and we’re going to see it worse and more and more and more. Not good. Because I’m human and bleed and all those things and think that I’m the shit or whatever, but really, I’m nothing. I am. You believe in soul, right? Like the concept of the soul independent from the human body, right? Yes, I do. So do you. Do you think that without the human body even being an option, that the soul can still exist? Yes, exactly.

So. So, I mean, would. Would the loss of humanity to AI ultimately be bad for the soul? Like, couldn’t the. Couldn’t a soul still exist? Even if AI destroys human bodies forever, technically the soul could still live on. Well, that’s the whole thing. It’s like Raiders, the Lost Ark. It’s like, I have a soul. Holy crap. I have a soul. Like, I have a soul and it’s buried in a box somewhere and, oh my God, dude, I have a soul. No way. You got a soul, man. Let me see it. And we’ll get our greasy little hands over it and it won’t die.

Maybe it will just rise up and disappear somewhere or whatever, but I don’t. There is no soul left in humanity. There is no humanity left. Eventually, AI will take over, and eventually it’s kind of like, oh, kill the sperm count or make women infertile or fertile so they don’t have children anymore to kill off the human race. Okay, we could do that easy. Boom, boom, boom. Z49 into the food supply and they’ll be dead and in 20 years. Or let them live their lives until they die and that’ll be it, you know? And there are people like that, basically.

Eugenicists or Bill Gates and all that, you know, good. You know, go for it, bro. Do your best or whatever. Kill. Kill me now if that’s the case. You know, I like this message. I’m. I’m wondering, are you available for a children’s book parties? Yes, I am, basically. And I don’t really have to dress up like Barney or, you know, some big intricate costume. I just show up and smoke a lot of cigarettes and probably with your mother or somebody, you know what I mean? Like, I’ll do some debaucherous things. Maybe I’ll just, you know, do some terrible things in front of the guests or whatever.

That’ll be fine. Well, hey, I’ve Got a whole bunch of more questions and we’ve only got a little bit of time left, so I’m gonna just pepper them at you in a segment. Let’s just get into it. Hey conspiracy buffs. I double dare you to take some pcp. The paranormal conspiracy probe. On your marks. Get set and go. This is everybody’s favorite segment, mine included. The rules are basically, I’m going to mention a topic and I just want you to rate it from 1 to 10 on how much you believe in that topic. Make enough sense? Okay.

Yep. So if I were to start out and say like the theory of evolution on a scale from 1 to 10, how real is it? I don’t believe. I, I think it’s a zero. I, I don’t believe in any of that. I don’t believe that we were monkeys or anything to start with. I think that we were put on earth like, kind of like Adam and Eve, but Adam and Steve or whoever. But no, no, none of that evolution stuff. I think that it’s there for non religious people who believe that there’s a reason, like we have to have a reason for everything, you know, so, so flat out 0 on that 1, 0, 0.

How about flat Earth? It could be, you know what I mean? It could be, who knows? We don’t know. It could be a big titty dome or whatever that is. That like it could be five or it could be like one. I, I think it’s, I think it’s fine. See, I don’t know. I don’t know. I’m only stuck here in my own comfort zone. You know what I mean? I’m stuck. What, what, what gives you confidence about theory of evolution being zero, but now you’re not sure where you would be at on flat Earth? Because it’s perspective and it’s, it’s all what you believe as you believe it.

And I could be completely wrong. And I’ll admit, I’ll be the first to admit I was wrong. You know, I, I don’t believe in ghosts or whatever, but I saw a ghost, so now I believe in ghosts. Okay, let’s do ghosts from 1 to 10. Where are you like a 10 because you seem one now or are you still somewhere under a 10? I’m completely over a 10. I, I believe in ghosts, I believe in the afterlife. I believe in spirits, I believe in demonology, I believe in all that stuff. What about sovereign citizenry? I believe in that.

I believe that there are certain people placed on this earth that can go and do whatever they want. Whenever they want to. I guess more specifically, like the sovereign citizen approach of if you know what laws to cite, you can get yourself out of a ticket. Or if the government’s trying to take your property away, you can cite some like sovereign citizen logic and actually get off the hook. Yes, completely. Yes. So 10. Yeah, 10 completely all the way. How about crop circles? Remember when crop circles were big in like the late 90s, early 2000s? Well, I think they’re, they’re slowly like everything is disclosure really right now.

So it’s like signs. Oh, there’s crop circles and all that. I think that crop circles are probably man made. I think that aliens or demons or whatever you want to call them are probably from another dimension that steps over into our dimension, basically. I don’t think there’s anything like green men in 1950s laser beams and any of the UFO technology or any of that. I think that they’re already here. They already walk amongst us. They’re already lizard people, they’re already weirdos and basically they work for our government or secret service or, you know, how about the Titanic was sunk on purpose for insurance reasons or whatever reasons.

Of course. Yes, it was. So like 10. Of course. When you say of course, I assume that’s just like a ten. That’s a ten out of ten. That’s a ten out of ten. What about. Now, you alluded to this one a little bit earlier and I don’t know if you, if I want to know if you were joking or not, but like if we were to rate all of the things they said Michael Jackson did 1 to 10, how accurate do you think it is? I think it’s 100% accurate. I believe that he was into children.

Just like look at his friends, Chris Tucker, he’s a, he’s a pedo. They’re all pedos, all of them. Dude, it’s part of the ritual, it’s part of the, the, the thing or whatever. So don’t get fooled and don’t think, oh, I miss him and, oh gosh, you know. No, you, you like it because he made you a lot of money and he made everybody a lot of money. So don’t be fooled by that. Was he a good person? Did he go to heaven? I don’t know. Was he a good person? Probably, you know, did he like young boys? Yes, of course.

How about frazzle drip? On a scale from 1 to 10, this is probably a 10. But I, you know, it’s like, of course they do that. Of course there’s all the things that are identified with that, like, wearing the skin or intravenously through another person. Of course they do that. They’ve been doing that for years. Since the beginning of man, they’ve been doing that. We’ve already had that. We already know that. It’s just, like, little things that. Oh, I. I got this insider information that would, you know, it’s like, no, dude, we’ve been doing that for years.

Okay. You know, at this point, so what? You know, of course people do that, and we’re the faces of children and all that. Of course they do. Well, and earlier on, I was asking you because you mentioned having, like, lizard people in some of your artwork in, like, the mid-2000s. And it seems just after doing this podcast and just working with a lot of people and meeting people in. In this weird conspiracy realm, that there’s a lot that kind of fall into two. Like, two main buckets. And the bigger of the two buckets are people that just started to pay attention around 2019 because of COVID and Pandemic, and it made them start rethinking everything.

Right. And then you’ve got. I guess I would, like, consider, like, the OGs a little bit. So you’re, like, pre Covid conspiracy OG. So where. Where did it start for you? Like, what. What age were you consuming conspiracy theories and thinking, hey, there’s something to this. This? I. I think it was probably. Probably 12 or 13 when I realized that it is all good versus evil. It is all that. So break it down. You know, if I am to sit back and ponder and think, was that. Was it a movie, a book, a personal revelation? Like, what.

What was it at 12 or 13 that you start consuming conspiracy theories as if they’re true? True. I think it’s when I came to Christ and realized that everything is meant to be exactly how it’s meant to be. And you can cry on your deathbed. You can cry like, oh, what a terrible life. And oh, it’s too long. And, oh, the suffering and the pain, and dear God. And you could cry and gnash your teeth, all those things. It just doesn’t matter to me. It just doesn’t matter because I know the truth. I know the future.

I know that things are not exactly how they’re supposed to be or how it’s presented. Like, a movie poster will make you want to see the movie. Or, like, listen to the Beatles. It’ll change the way you listen to music. No, it’s the same thing. There’s a mass consciousness going on here where everybody thinks the same and drinks the same and eats the same and talks the same. And there’s good and bad or like, oh, he’s bad because he kills or he rapes or he does that. We all do that, man. Did you ever sell a pack of cigarettes to an Indian before? Yes.

You killed them. You killed them. You’ve killed people before, but you just don’t know it. You know what I mean? You don’t know it because you’re not supposed to know that. You’re not supposed to know that you have the power of God within you. Because if you did know that, you’d get all egotistical and wrapped away with yourself and think that you’re something bigger than you are or whatever. You know, it sounds like a catch 22, that like, if you recognize the power of God in you, then now you’re potentially got hubris and ego and pride.

But if you don’t acknowledge it, then you’re not honoring the God given gifts. And it’s almost like sacrilege to not acknowledge it. So there seems to be a tiny little infinitesimal space between those two. Like you’re doing it good or you’re not doing it enough stuff that you can kind of like tread between. Is that, I mean, right? Because yes, don’t let on, don’t tell anybody. Don’t, don’t, don’t let on that we all keep things to ourselves, right? I mean, we got like the stinky sock or the bottle of urine near our beds or whatever. You don’t tell people on your first date that you have, you have stinky urine bottles sitting under your bed, you know, so you don’t tell things and you don’t tell people that the power of God or whatever.

You don’t, you don’t let on the things. And yes, life is nothing but a bunch of catch 22s. And it’s all showbiz. It’s all fake. Everything is fake. It’s all just conspiracies that are not fake. Really. So I hear, I mean, I hear Christian from you, but definitely not Christian evangelists because they, that’s, because that’s the opposite of evangelism. Would be to go and tell everyone about it and like, hey, look at this sweet thing that you’re missing out on. Let me sell you on it. Well, I, I would if I was a preacher. I would just be by the numbers and buy the book and stick to the book and say today, open up our books and we’re going to read this chapter and we’re Going to nail it because there’s people that are behind you, you, and there’s people that need to learn those things and there’s people that will die the next day.

So at least you’ll say something that’ll get them into heaven or whatever. I mean, yes, there’s good people and there’s bad people, but there are good, you know, evangelists or whatever. But. Well, let me, let me, let me ask you a fairly deep and serious question here. Let’s say you. You die right after we finish recording, right as soon as I hit and you drop dead. What was your. Your biggest achievement by your. Your personal criteria right now? And what would be the big thing that you didn’t get to complete? I’ve lived in love and I’ve done everything possible that I could possibly do right now.

Is there, like, I’ll think of paranoid American and. And maybe you cursed me, or I’ll be angry and then I’ll plethora of emotions or whatever, or I’ll feel okay. But you know what? In the end, it’s like in the end, my last dying breath will probably be time to go home. You know what I mean? Because this is not home. No matter where you live, there is no going home again, like Norman Mailer says. Well, that is true, because there is no home like the afterlife. You know what I mean? So make the best of your situation.

Make the best. Write the best book. Make the best artwork. Write the greatest song ever. Or the saddest song. Or the song. The saddest song in the whole entire world. Is that your destiny? Follow your destiny and follow your heart. Art. You know that famous closing words. But nothing could be said truer at the time. What. What if someone were to find your art for the first time? What kind of things are you hoping that you inspire in somebody when they first see it? Like, is it. Is it shock? Is it I. That you want to show other people it’s okay to do controversial things? Like, is any of that going through your mind as to, like, like the motivation on what you want people to feel when you see it? I think that everything is all over the place.

Like, usually women, I don’t know why women, but okay. Or men. Probably men too, but they don’t come out and say it like women do. But because women come out and say a lot of things, they’re frightening. It’s frightened. Oh, my God. It’s scary. Oh, my God. But you’re talking about reactions to your work that women see it and think it’s frightening. Frightening, Right. They think it’s scary. They think it’s frightening. But it’s beautiful, though. It’s beautiful. So there are certain people that think it’s beautiful, but find it completely frightening and abhorrent and don’t want anything to do with it.

And then there’s the people that like it, but they’re on drugs, you know? Yeah, I can see that. Right. And then you have to deal with that. That, or you have to deal with people who say how much? Like, you’re a hooker. Like, how much? How much? You know, you have to deal with the monetary aspect of whatever. You have to deal with the branding of it. You have to deal with all those things to make you as best that you can be, I guess, in this world, I guess. But that just goes with the territory, basically, you know? Yeah, it’s like the.

The monetary thing is the weirdest part, where it intersects with art and music and just creative endeavors. But I think time is old as. Or tale. As old as time itself. Right. Like, even the. The great classics, they had to beg or at least get sponsors to do what the sponsors wanted them to do, not necessarily what they themselves wanted to do. So they just kind of become these extensions of people that have money and say, here, put this paintbrush in your hand and do this with it. And. And it’s. It’s a weird position to be in, but you have to know how to talk the money thing, because it’s the only language that exists in multiple worlds.

Like, it’s the only common language sometimes between the business world and, like, the. The art world, because there’s no other intermediary that seems to work in both of them. Right. Like, if you try and get artists and business people in the same room together, eventually it’s just going to come down to, like, pay me to be here. Okay? How much do you want it? There’s almost no other way for those two worlds to interact with each other. If I had enough money right now, like, give me a couple million or a billion dollars, I would. It’s on its way.

All right. Boom. There you go. Bye. I’ll never talk to you again. You know why? Because I don’t care. I’m not an artist anymore. Yeah, serious. I will not pay. It’s. This is work, man. This is legitimately. Let’s say. Let’s say you hit the lottery. You win $10 million. Right? You never have to do work again. Would you continue working on art or would. That would be the last time you would touch paint? Of course. Not. I’m gonna live my life and I’m gonna travel and do things and you’re not, you’re not bringing like a sketchbook with you as you’re traveling or.

No, that’s boring. You know what, that’s part of the past life or whatever. The future life that I have is fulfilled by money. That’s the whole reason that you do it anyway, at this point is by money. This is a business basically we’re running. Basically, you know, this is not for shits and giggles, you know, and it’s like, oh, my deepless, darkest dreams of my anamorphic soul in my. You know, that’s bull crap. That is crap, dude. You know, because if I gave you a billion dollars, you, you jump out of town and you jump out of your skin and you call me an a hole and you, you be your true self or whatever for.

I would just, I would just hire someone to take you out. I wouldn’. Worry about all those other things. Right, exactly. You know, and that’s all that matters, basically. Well, do you want to meet your creator or not? I mean, if you can get there sooner, why not get there sooner? Because this is a sick joke. And I don’t think that, I think the gun wouldn’t fire or whoever. You, no matter how you tried to kill me, it wouldn’t happen to. Dude, I, I live and you die. You know what I mean? I’m serious, man. God has a sense of humor.

There’s no way of killing me until I decide or he decides that it’s time for me to go home. Otherwise, that’s it, man. That’s it. There’s no way of getting back or coming back from it or whatever. If you come to me with animalistic intent, chances are that you’re the animal and you will die an animal. And I have nothing to do with it. I’m sorry. But you know, buy a piece of artwork. You know, buy, buy something for $300 just because you’re in France or somewhere, fancy pants or whatever, or you’re in Disneyland or you’re somewhere better and you’ll get back to me.

Or just forgive and play the game, play the role of who you are or whatever. Just be like, oh, yeah, okay, yeah, all right. Okay, I’m stupid, you’re smart, the customer’s always right. And I’m just gonna go back to being dumb right now until you come back. Okay, bye. You know, that’s. What advice would you have for a budding artist right now? A 12 year old, 13 year old kid Kid that decides they want to get into art in 2026, do it. Just do it. There has to be hope for humanity. I mean, we’re not going to do it.

It’s too late for us. There has to be hope for the future. There has to be children out there who don’t know what to do and to follow their dreams, whatever dreams they have. You know, you have to believe that. Otherwise kids are dumb. Oh, kids are so stupid these days. And does that include if. If they want to get into Hollywood, they’re like, I want to go and be an actor. Do it. Do it even. Even though by. By your own description here, like, you’re basically jumping into the belly of the beast and you’re gonna become satanic.

Like that’s the. That’s the only outcome, or you leave. I’d say. I’d say do it because you’re not going to become satanic. You’re not going to. You’re going. A lot of people do, though, right? A lot of people do get into that world and become satanic. A lot of people do. But a lot of people don’t. A lot of people leave. A lot of people through their own failure wind up being good for some reason. You know, it’s like the owner of the Simpsons, neck groaning or whatever, he’s more of a marketing genius than being talented whatsoever.

The guy’s like a fat zero. He’s a zero in my book. But yet he’s so smart that he made a billion trillion dollars off an idea when he was getting foot rubs on the Lolita express. What were you doing? Right? Exactly. Nothing. I wasn’t on the ultimate. I know not to step aboard that plane. I know not to talk to anybody like that. You know what I mean? It’s like, I don’t need that. I don’t need your sex, dude. How cold. I’ll find it for free somewhere else. Thank you. You know what I mean? I don’t need anything from you.

I don’t need anything from. From anybody. I will get it. You know what I mean? I’ll get it. I’ll make it happen. I don’t need it from anybody. So, you know, and magically it appears. No, it appears through your own will that you make things appear. And they will appear, you know, eventually. Well, a motivational talk. We’ve been all over the different places here. I had no idea what to expect coming into this. It was awesome hanging out with you. It was great to see your. Your face through your angelic voice. Dave McDowell. I’m going to put all the links and for people to find you and all of your artwork while we were talking too.

I’m going to just throw up some of the artwork that you’ve worked on. That’ll probably look great compared to what we’re talking about at the time. Perfect. That sounds great. I think. Find me at ww or not even ww.it just HTTP/dot. Dave, David, Max, Owl. Most people already know that part. You can just do the.com part, right? You’ll find me. Just google me. You’ll see it. You’ll be like, oh my God, what a fat slob. I lost a lot of weight though. You see, we all have our things or whatever. So everything. Nothing’s ever good enough.

I don’t think anything should ever be good enough. Move on to the next. Recreate yourself. Be a. Be a Madonna. You know, one year do Vogue and the next year do Like a Virgin. Who cares? The. The. The title of this episode just going to be who Cares. I think that that. That makes the most sense. It does because no one really cares. You know, I have a lot of issues and a lot of problems, but who would listen? Anyway, that’s. That’s as far as I go. So, you know, just carry on and be yourself and enjoy.

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