Satanic Ritual Abuse

➡ This text discusses a documentary and a book called “Michelle Remembers”. The book, written by Michelle Smith and Dr. Lawrence Pazder, tells the story of Michelle’s alleged abuse by a satanic cult when she was a child. The documentary explores the book’s impact and its role in sparking the “Satanic Panic”. It also includes interviews with Michelle and Dr. Pazder, as well as others who have studied the book and its effects.
➡ Michelle, a woman who underwent severe trauma, believes she was held captive by a group of Satanists for 14 months due to her mother’s involvement in the cult. She and her psychiatrist, Dr. Pastor, spend a lot of time together, uncovering her traumatic memories during long therapy sessions. Despite their intense professional relationship, both return to their respective spouses each night. Michelle’s traumatic experiences are taken seriously by the Catholic Church, leading to a meeting with the Pope and a subsequent book tour that gains significant attention.
➡ The book “Michelle Remembers” tells the story of a woman who survived a satanic cult. The book became popular and led to widespread belief in satanic ritual abuse, a theory that children are kidnapped and sacrificed by satanic cults. This belief caused panic and led to numerous seminars and conferences on the topic. However, the validity of these claims and the book’s influence on the satanic ritual abuse phenomenon have been questioned.
➡ A mother of two children claims they were severely abused at the McMartin School, including being tied up, threatened, and sold for prostitution. This led to widespread panic across North America in the 1980s and 90s, known as the Satanic panic, where people believed children were in danger from satanic cults. The panic was fueled by media, rumors, and a lack of skepticism, despite a lack of hard evidence. The Church of Satan, which was accused of heinous acts, sued for defamation, stating they were a religion protected by the Constitution and not a criminal organization.
➡ The text discusses the widespread belief in satanic cults and ritual abuse, fueled by talk shows and personal testimonies. It highlights the case of a preschool teacher wrongly accused and convicted of bizarre child molestation. The text also mentions therapists potentially leading patients to believe in abuse that didn’t occur. Lastly, it touches on the resurgence of these beliefs in modern conspiracy theories like QAnon and Pizzagate.

Now this is a documentary I found which literally almost proves this satanic panic. And then they literally put their own twist on it. I removed their twist. So now it’s almost like a true documentary. But I left their opinion at the end just so you could get a better feel for it. Now in my opinion, and you may agree, maybe not the people in this documentary, maybe not everybody, but most of the people feel to me like they’re literally Satanists. It’s almost like this, this is a documentary from their literal church. Right? And again, you never know.

Right? You never know. I want to tell you about a book that kept me awake for two nights this week as I read it. It’s one of those you can’t put down books. It was a journey of horror, of sadism and perversion. A story of brutality and death. It is the story of a woman who wrestled with the devil and won. Joining me now from Victoria is Michelle Smith, a one time victim of abuse by a satanic cult and Dr. Lawrence Pazder, the psychiatrist who helped her come to terms with that nightmare. They are co authors of the book Michelle Remembers.

The book is called Michelle Remembers. The authors are Michelle Smith and Lawrence Pazder, M.D. who acting as a psychiatrist, distracted from her bizarre childhood memories of Satan which have shocked many people. Michelle Smith created a sensation with her story of abuse at the hands of a satanic cult. This was the first publicized account of such rituals. Now you mentioned evidence which proved some of the early things you feel that happened to her as a small child in Victoria, bc. I have to say that the evidence is clear that this came from an experience that Michelle had.

Michelle, can I ask you what it was that after four years of therapy and this deep state of consciousness that came out of your mind? Basically what I remembered was a 14 month period of my life at age 5 where I was given to a group of people whom at first I wasn’t aware of what they were doing other than to a child. They were adults doing things I couldn’t understand and that frightened me. They would put me in cages, they would sacrifice animals, they would have a lot of candles and chanting and bizarre things I had never seen.

Eating feces and orgies and dismembering fetuses. These were things that you experienced? That’s right. When you say something like that, that’s alarm. I mean people get terrified by this sort of thing. I mean, are they rightfully terrified? I think that today that it’s very, very wise to take a good hard look at where you place your children into whose care you place. I have been interested in the Satanic Panic for years. I researched it for years and once I read Michelle Remembers, I could not get it out of my head. I did a five part series on Michelle Remembers.

To me it was important to present a discussion about it to people because this book has helped shape the world we now live in and whose contents we have to have some understanding of if we’re going to know how we got here. So I think of Michelle Remembers as the patient zero of the Satanic Panic. The book begins when Michelle is in the hospital following a miscarriage. And Dr. Pazder comes because he in the past has worked as her therapist. And she tells him about a dream where there’s an itchy spot on her hand, she scratches it and then countless tiny spiders come surging forth and she’s extremely upset by this dream.

And so he decides based on this that it’s time for them to return to therapy. What went on in your childhood that you discovered? What basically I began to remember was a series of events that stretched out over about a 14 month period in my life. Is that hypnosis, doctor? Actually it’s beyond hypnosis. It’s a method that Michelle had devised to go deep into her depths. How had you devised this technique yourself, Michelle? It just came about in the atmosphere of Dr. Pastor saying to me, just go where you have to go, I’ll be there with you.

I could then shut my eyes and through breathing very deeply, go way down inside. It felt very much like falling over backwards into the dark. And that’s where I began to find the memories. Sign a. November 1976. Let it come as much as you can. Don’t judge it if you can so it’ll be what it was. I couldn’t get away. No one was going to dare anyone care. Can I remember? I tried to crawl inside the mirror. The first thing I remembered was a night when a group of people were gathered to do. I didn’t know what they were doing dances that were not like the dances I was used to.

They had the walls draped in black. They had set up candles. My mother was present, but not in the ceremony, not in the ritual. She wasn’t involved in that. Her position seemed to be one of giving me to this group. They were dedicated to doing a lot of seriously frightening kind of things. And they sacrificed animals and they used fetuses of babies in their ceremonies. I don’t know what that blob is. And it was all red. Incredible story. Tell me about Michelle and What in fact you believe happened to her as a small child? Well, I have to back up a little bit.

I knew Michelle very well through four years of therapy, intensive therapy, and there was no evidence of any of this kind of material present. But I knew her personality and everything. When she came to me a year after it had been discontinued and went into a very deep level of consciousness and began to relive essentially to see, to hear, to feel, and to tell me in detail these events for 14 months of what happened to her as a child, it was very difficult for me to decide where it was coming from. Victoria was very small in the 1950s.

I mean, the population was 70,000. That’s was safe, it was quiet. Tertia’s the oldest and then Michelle is the middle child. And I came along five years later. Tertia was pretty. Michelle was kind of fuddy, duddy. I was gorgeous. But Michelle and I were always getting into trouble. I think that’s because we had such an up and down childhood. My mom, she didn’t have an easy life raising three girls on her own. My dad was in and out. He was an alcoholic and he had a gambling problem. So when you have a husband that’s an alcoholic, you don’t have friends, you just don’t.

So mom spent a very lonely life. My sisters talk about it now and they always said, well, she always, she would drink. And I said, and you know, if I had three young girls and I sat down the evening and had a cold beer, you know, I wouldn’t classify that as drinking. You know, she just, she had a lot on her plate. We moved eight or nine times in 10 years because of dad. Dad was quite violent. It always happened Easter, Christmas, Thanksgiving. We would all end up in a hotel somewhere because the police would have to come and take us because dad would start to terrorize and destroy the house.

Beat my mom up. That was my childhood. You know, I just assumed that’s what everybody did. Got drunk and had fights. You know, you had dead kittens thrown at you. When you were lying in an open grave, you, you were placed inside a replica of Lucifer and tortured and prodded. Where were your parents in all this? My mother was there sporadically. She seemed to be one of these types of people that gets involved in something, doesn’t quite realize what they’ve gotten involved in and then is in over their head and can’t do anything about it. The story is called Michelle Remembers.

I’ve been talking to the authors, Michelle Smith herself and Lawrence Pastor, M.D. it kept me awake all Night. Thank you. Larry liked the limelight, you know, everybody liked him and he liked being liked. And Michelle wasn’t like that. Michelle is like a puritan, you know, no off color jokes and not really any swearing and no alcohol. But Michelle is a caring, loving, gentle person who cares about the whole world. I worked with them for about a year and a half and I only did it because I love typing. Larry had recorded everything that Michelle said in her reliving process.

Side A, around November 1990. He took his reel to reels, put it all onto cassettes. And I went through the whole 14 months from the beginning to the end and filled in as much missing words and sounds as I could. And so what Larry did was he clipped out, you know, excerpts of the typing and he would put that and then put his own writing underneath it. And then he’d give it to me and I’d type it all and send it off to the publisher. I was so frightened. But I don’t like doing anything to me.

I know what I mean. But it’s all screwed up in my mind. I turned out the way it was. Maybe it’ll make some sense to be 100% honest with you. I listened to all the tapes and I believe that something happened to Michelle. There isn’t much doubt in my mind something definitely happened to her. And I do believe it was a group of Satanists and they had her for those 14 months. It’s awful. What’s going on? Am I going around? And there’s like a. As they get deeper into these memories of satanic ritual abuse, Michelle learns that her mother is not merely dabbling in this social scene.

She gave Michelle to the Satanist because she is a satanist. She belongs to these people. My mother, she wants to keep me quiet. And essentially the bulk of Michelle remembers is long descriptions of a young child being mercilessly tortured. Sorry if I bothered you lately. I needed you. I keep bringing over any more things. Dr. Pastor and Michelle are spending more and more time together. The sessions are getting up to six hours long. It’s becoming both of their worlds. And yet, surprisingly, each of them is going home to a spouse each night. Michelle to her husband Doug, and Dr.

Pastor to his wife, Mary Lynn. I met Larry at Michelle’s wedding when she was getting married to Doug Smith. She loved Doug. They were happy, you know, he was a kind, kind person. Michelle had a huge imagination. She always created things. She was very creative. So she had made her wedding dress and she’d made her husband’s suit. But the wedding I remember Larry coming in, and I thought it was odd that a psychiatrist would show up at a wedding of a patient. But there must have been a connection between Michelle and him. Well, I was married to Larry Pazder.

We met when I was 13 and he was 17. And we married in 1961. When he graduated from medicine and I had graduated from nursing. While he was always lots of fun. And always very happy and cheerful and very charming. My mom said you could charm the birds right out of the trees. And he collected friends like a dog collected fleas. My dad was really religious, and we went to church every Sunday. He was very much like Catholic church is the only church. But with my dad, like I was his princess, basically daddy’s little girl. So I was always really, really tight with my dad.

Like I knew he was a psychiatrist, you know. I think that’s one of the reasons why I really looked up to him. Because, like, a psychiatrist was sort of seen as somebody that was kind of all knowing. And experts in human behavior kind of thing. You’re a conventional medical psychiatrist? Absolutely. How would you describe what was done mentally and physically? It was a very carefully organized assault on Michel. On a physical, emotional, intellectual. And finally on a spiritual level. Very organized, very sophisticated. Who are these people? Well, they’re a secret organization. They’re secret society. A secret society does not reveal the identity of the people.

Or the ways of their practices. I was familiar with this type of society firsthand in Africa. Practicing general medicine there. And if one of the members of that society revealed who he was, he was killed instantly. Larry had the camera when we were in Nigeria for taking 16 millimeter. He liked to record things. And he had all the latest photographic equipment, recording equipment, everything like that. He loved doing that. Larry was a character. And he told these stories of Africa. And he had some run ins with nuns down there. Nuns kept telling him that he was evil and he was full of voodoo and he should leave.

There were strange things there. It was a completely different culture. Very, very different. He did take some pictures of this group dancing around. And it was like as if they were in a possession state. He went in there and took those pictures of two big wooded masks. He really liked that sort of thing. He seemed to be very fascinated with it. And just kind of drawn to that. Well, I had worked in Africa and done a lot of work in transcultural psychiatry. So I was familiar with cults. And the degree of sophistication and organization that these people were using on.

Michelle told me that they were a serious cult indeed. But they believe in the other God, the devil. The devil. They worship the devil to bring down anything good that they know about. How do they do this, Michelle? What rituals? Does the devil appear? Is that the idea? Well, that is one of their intents, of course, is to summon a presence. And you quote, the devil always talks in rhyme. This is historically a fact that was brought out to us by the priest who we had to call in to help us understand what we were experiencing.

But I’ll be back. You wait and see. I’ll be back to take the world for me. You heard this Michelle? Yes. It was serious. Father Guy said that Michelle could never know the symbology of what she was saying. Like, mostly when Satan comes out of the fire and he speaks and rhymes. Father Guy was the priest at the Catholic church that Larry and Michelle went to. And so he helped Michelle to understand what she’s seeing and what’s happening in that reliving process. Michelle is saved by the timely intervention of the Virgin Mary. What was that referring to? I was literally being frightened to death.

At that moment when I think I was dying, a very soft white light came and enveloped me, much like the feeling of being padded with cotton batten. And out of that, a woman came and stood beside me and took a hold of my hand, identified herself as Ma Mer, and basically told me to hang on, to help me understand the situation I was in and how to get through it. Ma Mer. Ma Mer. The Virgin Mary. That’s right, Mother Mary. They referred to her as Ma Mer, visited Michelle and talked to her in French. She helped to keep her going.

Father Guy felt concerned about it enough. He took Larry and Michel over to his bishop, which was Bishop Raymond Rue at the time. And Bishop Raymond decided that her memories had enough import that they needed to go to Rome and tell the Pope this. And so they did. Larry and Michelle and Bishop Remy Derues went there, and they did get to see the Pope. And they did tell him. Michelle’s memories. It sounds like Dante’s Inferno. Hundreds of mutilated corpses. Now, you saw this. Now you place this in the hands of the Catholic Church. That’s right. The entire tapes were transcribed with a great deal of time and effort.

There’s some million and a half words, and these are presently in the hands of the Church for their study. And so the Vatican still has some pronouncements to make upon this. Very much so. And they take it very seriously. It was October in 1980. As soon as the book came out, Larry and Michelle started this big publicity tour. She was Traveling all over the place with this whole book tour. We didn’t think it’d really get as big as it did, but then it just. I don’t know how it did. It just blew up. I had a ton of articles from all the papers, and everywhere that they went, Michelle and Larry were famous.

They were famous. Everybody was talking about it. I mean, in the newspapers, in San Francisco and Houston. She was in Seattle, Dallas and New York. She was everywhere. I mean, they just went right across the whole country. And when they were on the book tours, they stayed at all these really fancy hotels. They had limousines, and I lived in San Francisco. And they came down on one of the book tours. And, I mean, we had fun. I mean, we had some wonderful dinners, and they wined and dined whoever they’re with. I know they got 245,000 US advance for the book, and I know it was translated into a bunch of languages other than just English.

So I know the book must have sold a lot of copies. The book’s already a big bestseller. You wrote it. You wrote it. We wrote it together, but at that time, I had to have surgery. And so I had just come out of surgery. I was lying there and I was really groggy, and I looked up at the tv and all of a sudden there was my sister. And it was like, oh, my God. I, Michelle Smith, was turned over by my mother at the age of five to a group of practicing Satanists, who for the next year held me captive and abused me both mentally and physically as part of a demonic ritual called the Feast of the Beast.

After my ordeal, I lived normally and happily until 1976, when a strange sense of unease led me to seek psychiatric help. All the terrifying memories that were buried for so long began to surface and were recorded by my doctor, Lawrence Pazder, and Dr. Pastor. And I have told my story in a book called Michelle Remembers. At first I thought I was imagining it. I was hallucinating. I thought I was like, man, that morphine must be really good when you relive these things. Was this just in your head, the reliving? No, this took place. Oh, the reliving itself, yes.

This took. This was in my head. It was just too strange. And she told the whole story. So who’s the person that was turned over to a satanic cult and written a book? The votes are all in. Now we’re going to find out which of these ladies, in fact, did survive this demonic possession. And we’re going to. Who better to pick her out than the Co author of her book, Dr. Lawrence Pasur. Doctor, come down and pick out Michelle, if you would, please. And of course, she stood up and I was like, I can’t believe this.

I think I called her and said, I can’t believe I just saw you on tv. Can you squeeze in there? Are you comfortable? Yes, indeed. Doctor, before we go on, I’d like to ask, is there any misinformation that emerged from this particular spot that you’d like to clear up? Well, one of the important things is the journey to the Vatican was to bring the information. Michelle had seen some special presence, Mamare, who is thought to be the mother of God. The book came out in 1980 and I heard about it almost immediately because I was the first Wiccan priest in law enforcement.

It was a very, very popular book. It still is in some circles. And she’s all over North America in years following the publishing of that book. In front of police audiences, in front of church audiences, in front of community audiences. And they’re both being seen as an expert. I knew that it needed to be shared. It’s the average person that with this kind of information, maybe we can make some wiser decisions about the kinds of things that go on. Maybe we won’t get so easily pulled into cults. She was everywhere. They were plugging everything. That’s what they did for at least two years.

And he was all of a sudden being asked to come and talk because apparently now he was the guru of being able to decipher when a child has been abused. So that’s when they started the speaking tourists for the psychiatric conventions. In 1981, there was an American Psychiatric association annual meeting and pastor talked about the content of Michelle remembers. And he started generalizing that there was this phenomenon, you know, beyond that particular story, that there was a phenomenon called satanic ritual abuse. Satanic ritual abuse was a theory that people took as a fact that there’s a satanic conspiracy and there are children who are kidnapped or stolen and sacrificed.

Children are involved in graveyards and crematoria in funeral parlors because one of the primary focuses of these people is death. Everything is attempted to be destroyed and killed in that child and in society, everything of goodness. I’m Gordon Coulter. For many years I served as a law enforcement officer. Today it’s my privilege to host this program on a little known area in law enforcement. It’s the area of satanic cults. People would come in and they’d be paid to give these seminars to the police or particularly the mental Health professions. There were just all kinds of seminars.

And you know, the problem was that you could get credits for these and they get their little certificate. Now they know all about satanic ritual abuse. A few months ago, Chicago played host to a conference featuring ritual abuse. One thing that’s super important to remember, I think the field is forgetting is these people come from cults. Like minded social workers and therapists eagerly noted the latest on the satanic threat. Police are also being taught how to spot Satan. I do lectures throughout the country. In fact I was in Canada, did a presentation for about 150 multi agency personnel up there.

We called them cops for Christ. People who had their own agenda. And they created these seminars and these materials and presented as actual scientific, confirmed fact. There was an enormous amount of time spent dragging police into conferences to be taught how to investigate this stuff. All of that can be directly traced back to the pastor’s book and others. You know, that’s what fueled that, that’s what made that happen. Pastor said that it was very widespread and he pretty much validated that claim that satanic ritual abuse is a real concern. You know, people panic over this stuff.

Michelle and Larry were always talking all the time. Victoria in the church explaining satanic cults. And that’s when someone said that the child was going to be stolen from the hospital and it caused major havoc. We stepped up our extra security staff itself and we taken other certain precautions within the hospital that I can’t discuss. It was in the paper that satanists were going to take a baby from the nursery. People were really alarmed, they were really upset. The patrol guards seem to be wandering around the halls constantly. I’ve been up at times during the night and seen them.

Dr. Lawrence Pazder, who works out of this Victoria medical building, expressed concern the satanist threat hadn’t been checked thoroughly enough and denied any connection between it and his book. The best seller Michelle remembers people get caught up in was like a snowball. You know, the more it got, the bigger it got. And it was just, it was a hot topic. Up until 1983, I was not aware of any of these cases. And then it just began to grow and grow and grow. And I kept hearing about more and more of these cases. I’d say, man, this is some weird stuff.

This is, this is some really serious heavy duty stuff here. I didn’t know what to call it. I didn’t say, wow, that’s satanic ritual abuse. I just heard people start to refer to these kinds of cases as satanic ritual abuse. And it Touched a nerve. Satanic. Oh, those. I knew those people were involved and all this stuff and ritual. Oh, yeah, what’s that? That sounds sinister and evil. And in Quantico, Virginia, Special Agent Kenneth lanning of the FBI. I became an FBI agent in 1970, and I was a regular FBI agent for 10 years. Eventually I was assigned to the FBI Behavioral Science Unit and I became the Bureau’s expert on Satanism, the occult, cults, the whole package.

Special Agent Lanning, I’m going to ask you to deal first with the belief, which is quite widespread out there now, that there are just too many people telling too many stories that all sound the same for this not to be true. Well, it’s very interesting that that argument, the fact that there’s so many people telling the same story so often. As I began to respond to these cases, I started out with an open mind and I kind of thought that this had to be going on because why would these people be saying that if it didn’t happen? Pretty soon somebody mentions Dr.

Posner in the book Michelle remembers. So I start to hear them getting involved and the number of cases that I were consulting on in this area just began to grow. And then somebody called me up and told me about the McMartin daycare case. The McMartin case was one of these preschool type of cases, the daycare cases, and all of these kids were making, you know, ended up making these accusations about things that supposedly happened at a preschool in Manhattan Beach, California. 41 youngsters over a six year period had not just been sexually molested, but had also been forced to participate in satanic rites.

There were also charges that to keep the children quiet, animals had been mutilated before their eyes. They’re remembering being abused in satanic rituals. They’re remembering having to kill animals and breed babies and kill those babies and drink blood and all kinds of pretty wild and bizarre things. The defendants faced more than 300 counts of sodomy, rape and oral copulation. The evidence of abuse was largely developed by social worker Key McFarlane, who used puppets to get the children who were between the ages of 2 and 6 to reveal what had happened. Children’s Institute International, which was a group that was involved in trying to get disclosures from children from the McMartin Daycare case, decided to bring down Lawrence and Michelle as consultants to assist in the process.

So they were directly involved in getting these disclosures and recovering memories. Michelle Smith, what are the goals of these cults? They want to possess the soul of the child. It’s not Just they want to capture them physically, but they want to have the child theirs. And these are people whose families are either involved in these cults or who, because of you, because of some connection, fell into their hands or through such vehicles as daycare centers where the children have access to the child. They went down to the states for the McMartin trial. And I know Michelle spent a lot of time with the kids because that’s what she would talk to me about, was the kids and how she related to the kids and helped the kids, remembering reliving what had happened to them.

The mother of two children who admitted that they were severely abused while at the McMartin School, agreed to talk to us on camera. What actually happened to your two children? They were tied up, sodomized. They were taken off the premises. They were threatened by watching animals being slaughtered. They were sold for prostitution. People wanted to validate what children were saying, saying. And the problem is, if you can’t believe everything that the child says, what can you believe? How do you decide what happened, what didn’t happen, what may have happened? Maybe the child misremembered it. Maybe it’s distorted, Maybe the child didn’t understand.

But I would estimate that as time went on during that time, from 83 to maybe the late 80s, I consulted on hundreds and hundreds of these. How alarmist would you be about how we should be dealing with this problem and how widespread it is? It’s widespread. It’s across North America. We’ve had reports of it in every province and in every state. It isn’t just in California or just on the west coast here. As the daycare cases erupted, which started in about 83, 84, there were police who were investigating these cases and prosecutors who were deciding to take them to trial, who were using, Michelle remembers, as a kind of a checklist to develop cases, which meant that they would try to come up with questions based on what had happened to Michelle.

To ask the children, Michelle remembers, actually led to this panic over children being endangered. People panic over this stuff. They panic because they think that this is the end of the world. It’s known as the Satanic panic from the 1980s and 90s. This stuff just spreads like wildfire. And as an FBI agent, I could step back and see cases from all over the United States and eventually all over the Western industrialized world. Police officers all over North America went out looking for this stuff and prosecuted people. The satanic panic was picking up steam and it started to spread out and affect more people.

It just went viral. Victoria Was a great city. Growing up here was so much fun. It was happy. It was. It was fabulous. I was really lucky. You know, my dad had a great sense of humor. He also had like a bit of a twinkle in his eye. And sometimes at Christmas, all the family would come over and there’s a ukulele my dad would play and my mom would sing. And they were just so happy singing along together. Those were good memories. But that was before the book, Before I started on this book. I was at home and I was sitting there watching that show.

Sybil was on tv. Sybil, please don’t touch me. It hurts. Sybil is about a woman who goes into therapy and she ends up in extreme therapy like five times a week. And she gradually remembers really horrific, sadistic sexual abuse and torture by her mother. The book came out in 1973 and it was just like this instant wild success. And then it was made into a made for TV movie in 1976. And about like one fifth of the American population watched that. They cut us and made us sign our name in blood in the satanic Bible. That was the first ritual that I remember.

I was informed that my parents were in the occult. She claimed that we had a pizza delivery boy come to our home. We cut him up, grilled him and ate him. I said, I know what you did. You’re the ringleader of this cult. And I know you murdered babies. And I know you made me murder babies and eat babies. And I know just what you are. I know you for the Satanist that you are. And Sally, most of these women don’t come Forward until their mid-30s. After five to seven years. This is not a case memory.

This is RA. I would run into the adult survivors on like the Sally show. And so many different kinds of people, including educated people, believed that this was happening. And if you didn’t believe it, you were suspect. I mean, at best of not caring about children and at worst that you are a Satanist. Are you accusing me of being a Satanist? You’re acting like one. Yes or no? You’re acting like one. Say it. Yes or no? I’m saying you’re acting like a Satan. Satanist. Right now. Some people suggested that what they thought was causing Satanism was having that old music.

And some of the people who were trying to investigate this stuff, they thought they were doing a good thing. How often do you find heavy metal music indicators at the scene of a crime involving satanic worship? Probably about 35, 40% of the calls regularly. Yes. At the same time There was kind of a. I guess you’d call it a rumor, although it got picked up by the press. And it was taken as absolutely as fact to the effect that, you know, thousands and thousands of children were missing. Thousands, you know, then the next question is, well, why? I mean, who’s taking them? Supposedly the Satanists were taking the children.

I believe that they do. I can’t. We can’t prove that they do. But. But as a law enforcement Officer, I question 2 million children missing in the United States, knowing that many, many of those are not runaways. They were saying 2 million children have sacrificed every year in the United States. 3.71 million children were born every year in the States. You’re telling me that 54% of the children born are all kidnapped and sacrificed? Really? Like, no evidence of that, folks, the hard evidence is difficult to find because if a child is sacrificed, that child’s body isn’t going to be left.

If it’s an orthodox satanic cult, they’re going to burn the body and they’re going to eat it during ceremony. So they’ll leave no evidence around. The proof that we have had disappears. What proof has disappeared that we had. Okay, a good example is I had baby wax. What’s baby wax? Wax from a baby was burned, a baby that was burned, and the wax was made into a candle of a baby wax. It’s a very important thing in the cult. They make candles out of babies. It was part of the zeitgeist. There was just a complete lack of skepticism.

I mean, Michelle remembers had something to do with that, right? Because in Michelle remembers, it’s kind of this is what’s happening to the babies within. Michelle remembers they used the term Church of Satan to describe this cabal of vile, terrible people doing these heinous criminal acts, saying that we sacrifice animals, that we sacrifice babies. But the whole point of the Church of Satan, what Anton Lavey founded in 1966, was liberation and embracing our strangeness, our uniqueness, the things that make us different from each other. This is a very selfish religion. We believe in greed. We believe in selfishness.

We believe in all of the lustful thoughts that motivate man, because this is man’s natural feeling. This is based on what man naturally would do. Anton lavey blended magic and science and rationality. And a lot of people, especially in those early days, found the Church of Satan uniquely liberating for one reason or another. They found Satanism to be a celebration of their differences. It wasn’t a tolerance, it was a celebration and that’s what Satanism is to us, to a Satanist. Are you planning on training a lot of little devils? Only those that wish to become little devils.

Are you married? Oh yes. Do you have any little devils? Oh yes, I have. Are you going to raise them as satanic kids? Certainly, but not to go around chopping people up or sacrificing human beings. One of the things that Anton Le Way was particularly miffed about was how Michelle Remembers was marketed. That it was supposedly a true story. But Michelle Remembers obviously is so chock full of things that Satanism very clearly isn’t. He said, we are an established religion protected by the Constitution of the United States. Here they were using it as if we were some international criminal organization.

And that’s why the Church of Satan brought a defamation suit against them in the court of law in 1981. And subsequent printings of Michelle Remembers did take out most of the references to the Church of Satan. Hail Satan. Hail Satan. I don’t believe that my mom is that type of person that would turn her child over to a satanic cult. It was not part of my childhood. When I was a kid I couldn’t see my mom doing that. I just couldn’t. As a mother your instinct is to protect your child. But When I was 10 years old, my mom was diagnosed with non Hodgkin’s lymphoma.

And so she died shortly after that. When my mom passed away, her wish was that she wanted to be cremated and she wanted to have her ashes put in the crypt. This is how important this church was to her. It was important to mom. You know, her marriage was not great, so she came here for support. In the book, Michelle said that my mother was this horrible person giving up her little girl to a satanic cult. But I don’t understand why Michelle would even think that. What is wrong with her? Why did you think that there were others who would have been through this experience? Because when I was in that experience, I wasn’t the only child, so there had to be others.

And I knew this wasn’t an isolated thing. In just Victoria. I thought maybe there would be, you know, unrealistic, 30, 60 people out there at the most, not the hundreds. You know, there are thousands of men and women who are secretly worshiping the devil. The devil. If you’d like to join that audience on Thursday when we discuss Satanism, call now to reserve your seats. The daily talk shows people today, I don’t think realize how pervasive these opinions were. Why doctor, would you perform an Exorcism on a patient who came to you to seek psychological help? Well, because the patient who was referred to me by the state was a satanic ritual survivor at the time.

These talk shows would be several times a day, and they were very well respected, but they were all feeding on the satanic panic. Explain to us what really did happen over these 17 years. They started a satanic cult when I was five. Who did? My parents. They would either kill an animal, sometimes they would kill a baby. A baby? Where would they get babies be. Sometimes people in the cult would have them just wear this. And then when it was. When it was dead, then people in the group ate parts of it. These women say they speak from personal experience.

They claim to be breeders forced by covens to bear children. Did you give birth to infants who were sacrificed, too? Were sacrificed. I was told it was the highest honor I could ever do as a woman was to sacrifice my first two. Part of you that wants to think that these people are just flat out nuts, and some of them are, don’t get me wrong. And you look at this and you say, are these people? It is most common for the heart to be taken from the child. An offer to Satan. And it was dead serious.

The Essex county Prosecutor’s office says 26 year old Margaret Kelly Michaels is a manipulative, sadistic preschool teacher. Michaels was convicted of molesting 19 children. Molesting them in bizarre ways. And in the middle of this crowded New Jersey school without any teacher or parent noticing anything, I covered the Kelly Michaels case. And I walked into that jail and it was so filthy. And I interviewed her, and it was terrible to see this happen to a young woman because, you know, I felt like that could have been me. I mean, I could have gone and worked in a daycare center when I was in my early 20s.

It was very vicious what was done to her. They say you insist, inserted objects, including Lego blocks, forks, spoons, serrated knives into their anuses, vaginas. And a sword. And a sword, yeah. That you made children drink your urine. That you made kids take their clothes off and lick peanut butter off them. It’s very hard to believe. Yet the jury believed it and not you. No one is willing to doubt child. Ironic, I guess, is the word that some people would use, that I’ve been involved in many, many cases involving Catholic priests who are molesting kids. And yet I’ve had people tell me, devout Catholics say, yes, you know these priests who are molesting kids, you know who they are? I said, who Are they? They’re Satanists who have infiltrated the Catholic Church to destroy.

Destroy it. I could not stand what was happening to my brain and the memories and the thoughts and the pictures. Although Dr. Olsen claimed that he did nothing wrong, his insurance company settled and they paid Nadine cool $2.4 million. I didn’t even know that this doctor was a fraud until recently. And it didn’t happen to just us. It happened to our children, our significant others, our spouses or ex spouses or family. The issue is that counselors and therapists are leading people astray and destroying families. We need laws. We need things changed. They need to be made accountable for what they’re doing.

Also, things got laughable. There was the church lady from Saturday Night Live. Who could it be? Oh, I don’t know. Satan. All of this has to do with. With the changing zeitgeist. All right, we are ready for the jury. Raymond Bucky and his mother Peggy were the only McMartin defendants to stand trial. We the jury, in the above entitled action. Fine. Very. Defendant not guilty. Preschool teacher Michael served five years in jail until this year when her conviction was overturned by an appeals court that questioned the reliability of the children’s testimony. Childhood sexual abuse does happen, but there is something else going on, and that is whether some therapists are actually encouraging individuals to believe in abuse.

That didn’t happen. We’re not covering Pizzagate enough to expose the Satanism and the occult. We have these strange allegations now with people Pizza Gate and things like QAnon. The idea that thousands and thousands and thousands of babies are missing. You know, it’s all sort of coming up again. QAnon with its claim that Satan worshipping pedophile elites are running our lives. Oh, boy, here we go again. I mean, that’s exactly. Oh, no, not again. Man showed up at that pizza parlor with a gun demanding to know more. And now this is the become the center of a national debate over fake news.

I came to realize this story is one of the most relevant topics that you could ever talk about in today’s world. It’s just not about satanic ritual abuse of children. But this problem of what people believe when there’s no real, objective, professional evidence of it is an amazing thing to behold. It’s not going to go away. I used to think it was. I used to think, well, all you have to do is debunk this stuff in a rational way and I’ll just be a good journalist and I’ll do that, you know, and it just happens again.

This has been kind of difficult for me, to tell you the truth. To see that none of that stuff really mattered. None of what we did really seems to have made much of a difference. She’s a good person. She had her life ruined first by whatever experience she did go through. I am convinced it’s not missed memory or false memory. And then the book, you know, it’s ruined her life. She hates the book because when people see her, that’s all they see. And if anybody should have blame. As much as I loved Larry, and I’m not even big on men, but I loved Larry and he I think was responsible for the book.

I believe in the pain that they experienced as a child. The details of what they present. I’m not there to believe or not believe. I’m there to try and understand what they’re trying to tell me of an experience. And those experiences are not simple to separate from whether that has actually happened to them or that is their way of trying to express a profound pain that they’ve experienced beyond their body, in the very heart and the very soul. Do I hold on to you? Oh my gosh, I’m making it up. I can’t tell what’s real anymore.

I couldn’t tell. I couldn’t tell what was real. You know, at the end there, it almost seemed like they were trying to rub it in your face. Like how we’re so crafty. We made this documentary. Look at this. Upside down cross spinning. I don’t know. In my opinion, you know, they’re so crafty, they’ll do a double, triple, quadruple psyop, right? Like maybe they even had these two a part of the Satanic Church to literally come to the point where they could prove them wrong. Right? You never know. You never know. I’ll tell you one thing for sure.

I’ve confirmed that this is not just real and it exists, but it’s prolific. Absolutely prolific. So in case you’ve never seen this information before or if you’re just a researcher of it, I’ve got a few mind blowing documentaries for you. You can just go to helpmesavethekids.com or watchjtt.com or thedisclosurehub.com it’s all other people’s material that I see patterns with and put them together and tell a story with this has happened to you. Or if you’re intrigued by this topic, I highly suggest you check out the material and soon you’ll be able to check it out on Burrow.

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