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➡ The discussion revolves around two popular YouTubers, Josh and Keith, who have channels focused on various topics, including religion and the supernatural. They discuss the growth of their channels and the increasing mainstream interest in their content. They attribute this to the rise of technology and the ability to share experiences and information more openly. They also discuss the mixed reactions they receive from their audience, ranging from supportive to critical, and the importance of responding with understanding and love.
➡ The text discusses the topic of UFOs, ancient civilizations, and biblical concepts. It suggests that the government is trying to control the narrative around UFOs as public interest grows. The speaker believes remnants of an ancient civilization may still exist under the Andes and that these beings, referred to as apostate Sons of God, could be responsible for some UFO sightings. The text also explores the idea that these beings coexist with humans on Earth, rather than in a spiritual realm.
➡ The speaker discusses the concept of good and evil, using the metaphor of angels to illustrate that appearances can be deceiving. They suggest that both good and evil entities may use the same technology and come from the same civilization, making it difficult to distinguish between them. The speaker also discusses various theories about extraterrestrial beings and their possible connections to ancient civilizations and spiritual practices. They emphasize the importance of testing the spirits and understanding their allegiances, as appearances can be misleading.
➡ The interest in the Book of Enoch is growing, but it’s often rejected by conventional Christian thinking due to its extraordinary stories, such as angels engaging with human women. This idea challenges many Christians’ beliefs and forces them to rethink their theological understanding. The Book of Enoch suggests that angels, known as watchers, lusted after human women, took them as wives, and had hybrid offspring with them. This controversial narrative was seen as scandalous by some early church figures, but was supported by others and is believed to have been known by the writers of the New Testament and Jesus of Nazareth.
➡ The text discusses the biblical stories of Abraham, Lot, and the sons of God, suggesting that these spiritual beings interacted physically with the world. It also explores the idea of humans having responsibility over the earth, and the consequences of good and bad governance. The text further delves into the distinction between fallen angels and demons, arguing that they are not the same. Lastly, it discusses the antediluvian world, suggesting it was divided among the Watchers, who ruled through their hybrid offspring.
➡ The text discusses the theory that the Watchers, a group of divine beings, and their offspring dominated early human civilization through their superior knowledge and technology, similar to the plot of the movie Stargate. The author suggests that these beings may have genetically engineered their offspring to be giants, ensuring their dominance over humans. The text also explores the idea that these beings were cursed to exist without bodies after death, leading them to inhabit human bodies. The author believes that the timeline of these events spans thousands of years, with the flood of Noah occurring around 10,500 BC, and the Tower of Babel incident happening around 3400 BC.
➡ The speaker believes that the Earth is very old and may have been inhabited by non-human species before humans. They argue that the Bible’s narrative is not just about humans, but about the story of the Son of God, and that humans are just a part of this story. They also suggest that the universe was once full of life, possibly including other planets in our solar system. The speaker challenges the idea that everything begins with humans, suggesting that there are many chapters of history that precede us.
➡ The speaker discusses the idea of demons inhabiting technology in the future, based on a vivid dream he had. He also talks about ancient megalithic structures, suggesting they were built to withstand cataclysms by advanced civilizations. He connects this to modern times, where billionaires are building bunkers, possibly in anticipation of future disasters.
➡ The text discusses a theory that billionaires like Mark Zuckerberg and Jeff Bezos are building bunkers and other structures, possibly in preparation for a catastrophic event. The speaker suggests that these actions are similar to those taken by people who knew about the impending flood in the biblical story of Noah. The text also mentions the construction of deep underground military bases and the possibility of secret technology exchanges between humans and aliens. Lastly, it discusses the story of Phil Schneider, who claimed to have encountered aliens while working on an underground base.

Okay, so I wanted to have a conversation with these two guys. I’ve been on both of their YouTube channels and as Darren said, they both. You both are approaching. It’s funny because you, you almost have the exact same amount of subscribers right now, right? Within a couple hundred, I think of each other on YouTube. And these guys have huge popular YouTube channels. Josh with what lurks beneath and Keith with End Times Productions. And I’ve really. The content that they have. It’s been interesting to see these topics that we’re discussing at this conference in the last, I’d say five years are just exploding into the mainstream.

And it’s because of guys like them. And I’m curious. So we’re going to get into. We’re going to talk about a bunch of different topics today. But to begin this discussion, I have a couple of questions because I got my little dinky YouTube channel at 275,000. These guys almost have a million each. You’ll probably be at. Both of you be at a million at the end of the year, I’ll bet. So. And that’s hard to do. It’s really hard to get that many subscribers on YouTube. And that tells you how good their content is. So I have some questions and a couple of questions and then we’re going to launch into a series of topics here.

And can we get, can we get the countdown on the clock there, if that’s possible. So what would you guys attribute the. This new. The mainstreaming of these topics too? What do you think is happening in the culture? What. What’s going on? Because these topics are going mainstream. Over the last 20 years alone, technology has increased so much to where we can openly share our experiences and, you know, all the strange phenomena that a lot of people have seen or encountered where before they kind of kept that behind closed doors, it was a hush hush thing.

People are going to think I’m crazy. But now you have pockets and communities or, excuse me, pockets of communities and forums and places where people can share their stuff. It further validates the truth of who he is. You know, and I, I say this to a lot of people I talk to is that, you know, I’ve been doing this for, for years and everything I ever research and read and come across, it just further strengthens my validation of who God is and what he’s done and the sacrifice he made and. Yeah. What has been. Have you seen an evolution in the perspective of Christians because you guys interact? Yeah.

And keep your mics close to your face when you talk. The evolution of the perception of Christians, because you guys are interacting with, you guys are interacting with a lot of people on your channels and what has that been like? And in my experience, I’ve noticed a. There’s kind of a separation. There’s people like you guys, everybody here, amazing people who are just super supportive and loving and kind, and they express, you know, the values of Jesus Christ and Christianity in such a beautiful way. And then you have the other side, the people who are bitter, angry, they’re looking everything you say, they’re trying to tear you apart.

And you know, they might, it might not be because something you say, it might be something because inside their own, you know, inside their own person, they’re feeling, you know, upset about something, so they want to take it out on everybody else. And, you know, we try and just come at these people with love and understanding and acceptance and say, you know what? Even though you’re angry, we still love you, you know, and, you know, the way Jesus told us to love our neighbors as ourselves, I think that’s something that we should really strive for. And it really, it’s exemplified online because people feel anonymous.

Yeah, you know, that’s for sure. So what do you think about that, Josh? I. With. With the popularity of the Book of Enoch now and just the availability of incredible podcast, I mean, you don’t have to look very far on YouTube to find just wealth or a wealth of great information. I mean, you have a ton of great content. There’s so many guys out there, I can’t even name them all, but the first one that comes to my head is Ellie Marzulli. I mean, this is just there that you could watch and digest. And so I think more than ever, Christians, we have so much resources available that really give us a lot more insight into just everything, you know, the, the anti Duvian period and just everything up until now and what, what it’s going to look like.

I’m going to have one more comment on this and then we’ll dive into our. The other topics. But you know, what I’ve noticed is there’s a lot of tribalism. I don’t even know how to describe this community, the Nephilim community. What I don’t, I’ve never known how to describe it, but for years that this content, when you talk about, you know, cryptids like Bigfoot, UFOs and aliens and, and, and of course, all of the content that revolves around Genesis 6 was always fringe in the church and in media. It was fringe. And so it was sequestered to, you Know, these, these, the corner, these bizarre corners of the Internet, and nobody really ever talked about even Genesis, even, even the, the sons of God.

And, and, and the, the episode of the watchers. And all of that was, you know, just 10 years ago was, Was still taboo in most churches. And now that’s beginning. Those walls are beginning to come down. But, and there’s a lot of new people coming who, who have never heard of, about any of this content. And there’s, there’s, it’s. Like I said, these topics are going mainstream. It’s very interesting to witness this. Me personally, to be sitting with a guy like Michael Knowles at the Daily Wire and him being a Catholic his entire life, and all of these topics, all the Genesis 6 topic, all of that, that domain totally new to him and most of his audience.

And you see the original, you know, we’re used to the original debates around these topics where, you know, you have the minority us who are arguing for what’s called the supernatural view of Genesis 6. And then, and this was the early days, because I don’t really engage in these arguments anymore. That was happening in the early days. And now, now there’s a flood of new people coming to the topic. And you’re. And you’re having to rehash all of these old debates again. Absolutely. I find that extremely interesting. And it’s, it’s a blessing because we can’t assume everybody’s on the same level and has the same level of understanding and knowledge about these topics.

And really, one of the interesting things to me is, you know, Book of Enoch starts out saying, this book was written for the people living in the end. And now all of a sudden, we are entering this, this new age. We are entering the age of AI and quantum and robotics and all these things at the very time that the Book of Enoch is gaining popularity. Like, I don’t think that can be a coincidence. Yeah, yeah. And, and I have to say I feel like I’m partly responsible for some of the controversy out there, definitely, because I published a, you know, I published Enoch, which many of you have brought here with Luke Rogers and Nate Henry from Blurry Creatures.

And like, it seems like as soon as we put that out there, there’s like a firestorm of controversy. And we’ve got guys like Wes Huff out there now trying to debunk the Book of Enoch and all these different people. And so we might be a little responsible for that. You want to say something in regard to that? You know, when people talk to me about this stuff and you know, they. They want to get up in arms about it. I just. Look, I’m not a full academic. I. One of my favorite writers that I’ve been really getting into, and he has an incredible wealth of information that’s on YouTube and just presentations and podcasts is Dr.

Michael Heiser. He’s an incredible person. So, you know, there’s a lot of people are kind of dipping their toes into it. And this is pertaining to the supernatural worldview of Genesis 6 and Enoch. I just say, you know, go watch some of his stuff, read some of his books. That just kind of gives you a ground level. Oh, and it’s really eye opening. I remember when I was kind of starting to go through his stuff and, you know, kind of get the idea of, oh, he. It’s. We want to be part of the family. It kind of just, you know, it clicks.

It kind of changed your perspective for a while, you know. Definitely. Yeah, absolutely. I totally agree with everything you just said, and I think it’s. We have an opportunity right now to reach the world and reach them with this information that they’ve never heard. Especially, like the ancient alien crowd and stuff like that. They. They don’t see the whole picture. You know, they. They see it in their very specific terms. But if we can broaden that scope that they’re looking through and say, hey, check this out. You know, this is actually a biblical concept. And then if they’re like, well, the Book of Enoch’s not biblical.

You can say, yeah, we’re not saying that the Lord wrote it. It’s. Maybe it’s not gospel. Right? It’s not. It doesn’t. It doesn’t mean. It’s not something that you should read. It was found in the Dead Sea Scrolls. It’s a legitimate ancient manuscript that can be seen through a historical lens. And when you use that in connection with reading Scripture, the connections form that are undeniable. And these things should be. They should be looked into, and they should be understood in that way, the way that they saw it. Because we are entering this time in our world that it’s becoming more relevant than ever before.

Well, let’s dive into these topics. You guys want to walk us through some of these topics? Yeah. I mean, what do you. What do you think is going on with. With disclosure at the moment? We’ve had a lot of. We’ve had a lot of hit pieces come out with it. With the arrow, with the Wall Street Journal’s article. Are they trying to shut it down again? This is something that I’M going to be discussing at length with Congressman Burleson later today. And there’s no question that the Wall Street Journal article was an attempt to quell public interest in the topic of UFOs, because the floodgates are starting to open, you know, obviously.

And we’ll again, we’ll be diving into this topic again later with the Congressman. But, but, but we’ve had two hearings and we’ve had some incredible disclosures and there’s a lot of controversy, you know, in the background. You know, you talk about a fractionated audience, a tribalistic audience. It, it doesn’t get worse than the UFO community. And I’ve been like on the outside of that community for a long time and really talking to you guys about the topic, but not really talking to the UFO community, right? Not really a part of UFO Twitter, UFO X, which is a cesspool.

So I’ve been on the outside of that thing, looking in and doing my own thing. And, and then now suddenly I’m like in the middle of it and it’s. And the players in that game, like, they, I’m suddenly in their midst and like, who the heck is this guy? You know, like, I was just in. And again, I’m getting into stuff. I’m going to be talking about with, with Eric later on, but I was just in Mexico City with, with Congressman Burleson and hopefully I’ll have time to get some pictures to show you guys when, when I talk to him later on this evening.

And I was, and Stephen Greer was there and, and, and some other guys that are, that, that are very prominent in the UFO community. I was with Haim Masan and, and, and that’s. Literally I walked in the room. Okay, I’m going to have to table this for later because I’m taking up. I’m, I’m, I’m cross. I’m crossing into the conversation I’m going to have with Bronson. But I’ll just say this. I walked into the room and literally everybody looks at me because they’re all standing around the buga sphere and they look at me and I just walk in because Burleson wanted me to be with them.

And they’re like, literally their faces were like, who are you? What are you doing here? And I’m like, I just was thinking I came here to look at this thing that was made in somebody’s garage. We’ll table that for later. We’ll table that for later. That’s gonna be with the congressman. You know, one of the things that I’ve asked is why out of all the time in history, why has it suddenly exploded? Not the interest in UFOs, but the UFO disclosure. Why is that movement gained so much momentum? You know, you could say just because of the access of information, but maybe it’s just, you know, the, the conspiracy theorist in me that I’m like, well, maybe that there’s something else here.

Are we, are we being conditioned for something? Well, as I always say, the government. Government’s not a great word for this, but let’s use the word government. The government cannot control the phenomenon at all. Never has been able to. All they can do is control the narrative surrounding the phenomenon. And as the phenomenon burgeons, they have to scramble to construct the narratives to catch up and to keep the public thinking about the phenomenon the way they want them to. You know, hence UAP instead of ufo. The change of the nomenclature was, was not incidental. It was, it was done purposely to shift the attention.

And, and you know, the only ones who are saying this are me and Richard Dolan, which that puts me in good company. So to shift the narrative away from, from all the skeletons in the closet in regard to UFOs, because there’s a lot of, and the government is, is implicated in some really nasty things. And so they, they change the nomenclature, they shift the attention away from the, from the decades of, of, of research into the phenomenon. And now we get to just talk about unidentified aerial phenomena or aerial phenomena. And, and just. Oh, yeah, now we’re interested in these weird lights in the sky.

We don’t know what they are. We, you know, we don’t know what they are, but we’re going to investigate it. You know, Arrow, Arrow is just a dog and pony show. And again, I’ll be, we’ll be rehashing some of this content later on. Yeah, I don’t want to cut into your topics for tonight so we can move, we can move a little bit onto the topics of giants and. Yeah, yeah, megaliths and stuff like that. Tying into the, the megalithic thing and just, you know, you being in South America, it’s pretty well documented that South America is a hot spot of all sorts of high strangeness, from UFO sightings to just weird phenomenon.

Why do you think that is? Because I think there’s remnants of an ancient civilization still living under the Andes. That’s why. That’s what I think is going on. So somebody clipped that. That’s so. And, and that, that. I honestly think that’s the case, and I don’t and when I say that, when I say remnants of an ancient civilization, we could be looking at a couple different scenarios. I mean, the devil and his angels are somewhere on earth and they’re not in a spiritual realm, they’re somewhere on earth. And I would say under the earth and I would say we’re talking about a base.

And as you all know, you’re all familiar with me, so you know how I think. I don’t spiritualize these things. I think there are spiritual components. We are, we are a composite of, of, of body and spirit. That’s how we’re supposed to be. That’s how we will always be. We’re not going to discard our bodies. You know, that’s not the correct, that’s not a biblical view that we discard the body. That’s a Gnostic view. The biblical view is that the body gets resurrected and reset to the blueprint of Adam. Amen. So, but we talked about that earlier, but yesterday.

So there’s a, there’s, there’s a physical reality to, when we talk about, quote, unquote, fallen angels. And fallen angels isn’t really a great term. The better term is insurrectionary sons of God, apostate sons of God. That’s who they are, genius. And because that’s, that’s what they did. They committed an insurrection against the king and then they were put down. The king of heaven, he, he subdued the insurrection, he put it down, he quelled the insurrection, and then the, the perpetrators were cast to the earth and they’re here. And they’ve been here since. So they’re somewhere. And I don’t believe they’re like, they’re in hell.

I don’t think there’s a throne in hell with Satan sitting on it. I think that’s a western idea. I think they are inhabiting the earth with us. And that’s a biblical concept right there. But not many people think of it that way. They’re inhabiting the earth. They’re not. Because most Christians are conditioned to think of it as they’re inhabiting a spiritual realm, right? No, no, no. They’re here, they’re inhabiting the earth. They’re co inhabiting the earth covertly with mankind. And I would say this is, this is a physical reality. They are somewhere in the Earth. And, and I think some of the phenomenon, the UFO phenomenon, can be attributed to them.

They’re using that technology and flying around in saucers and so forth. And if you were to encounter these beings, I’m talking about the, the apostate Sons of God. If you weren’t to encounter them, if they were to disembark from their craft, they wouldn’t look like lizards, in my opinion. They wouldn’t look like lizards. They would look like handsome young men. And that’s precisely what the Andeans encounter all the time in the Andes. And the people who live there, they see these craft descend and then they see these, these, these handsome young men, in some cases women, comely women, disembark from the craft and they have, you know, blonde hair or golden blonde hair and blue eyes, fair skin and, and by the way, let me say this and then I’ll, and then I’ll kick it back over to you guys.

You know, the good guys and the bad guys look the same. You know, again, I’ve spent a lot of my, I guess I can call it a career. I don’t really have a job though, since I spent a lot of my time in, first in my own life personally, and then publicly helping people to jettison, to deconstruct medieval Western thinking. Medieval Western thinking that has, that has inhibited us from, I think, understanding the plain reality of things. And, and, and part of that is that you have, you have the, the loyal sons of God in heaven who are still loyal to the king of heaven, to the Son of God.

And this a kingdom, it’s, it’s, it’s a, it’s a place. I believe the kingdom of heaven has locality. So it’s a place and they’re there, they’re faithful. And then you have the apostate sons of God who rebelled, who engaged in this insurrection. But before the apostate sons were fallen, they were loyal members of the kingdom. They were the brethren of the loyal, of the faithful angels, of the faithful sons of God. So they looked the same. The, the, you know, you can have, if, if we stood on, if we, if we had two individuals standing on the stage here, one was a benevolent, wonderful person and the other was, was, was just a heinous, sadistic, evil person.

You probably would not be. If they were dressed the same and well groomed, you wouldn’t be able to tell the difference between them. You’d have to judge their actions and their words and their, and their loyalties. You’d have to have get gain insight into their allegiances. Right. Well, it’s the same thing with angels. Why would it be any different? So the, the good guys and the bad guys look the same. There’s a caveat there though. I don’t want to go down. I mean, if we have time later. But they, they look the same. So I think the good guys and the bad guys, the loyal sons of God and the apostate sons of God are both using the same technology.

They come from the same civilization because that’s what it is. It’s a civilization that pre exists mankind. And they’re, and it’s. The technology that they’re using is a technology that is, is exceedingly ancient. And so it could be the good guys flying around in saucers and it could be the bad guys. And if they were to disembark from these things, you wouldn’t be able to tell the difference. And that’s why we’re told to do what in the scriptures, test the spirits, what is their allegiance? And that, that’s, that’s very important detail, especially as we get the revelations like from Jacob Barber.

Just because you interact with the being and you love and peace and joy and whatever, that means nothing. Satan appears as an angel of light. Yeah. You want to say something? Yeah. Something that was really fascinating is that you see in some of these experiences who’ve had horrific abductions, I mean just horrific, traumatizing, when they call upon the name of Jesus. Gone. Now why is that they’re just supposed to be aliens? Well, I’m sure many of you are familiar with the. I think he’s one of the most famous occultist, Aleister Crowley. I’m trying to remember exactly the specifics on it.

I don’t know if it was an illustration or if what was he drew, but somewhere in the realm of that there is an illustration. I believe it’s his, it’s his spirit guide. You know what it looks? Yeah, that’s, that’s Ray. So it’s like, wow, what does that tell you? So Alistair Crowley went into the pyramid, the great Pyramid and performed this ritual. I think it was in the 20s, I may be wrong. And during that ritual, basically this being named Awas appeared. And when you look at the picture of that, exactly what you said, it’s a gray, it’s just got a little bit smaller eyes.

And in fact it actually matches the picture perfectly of what Dr. Stephen Greer supposedly caught out in the desert. That’s true. Yeah, yeah. So I mean these beings can be contacted and interacted with using satanic ritual. And this is actually a known fact, you know, that the government’s been studying as well. MK Often, I believe it is, is when is where they conducted these tests. Using rituals, using satanic practices to contact the beings on the other side. Now as far as the fallen angels go, or the, you know, the elder race. One interesting thing is that in abductees accounts, time and time again you have the Grays and standing above them, behind them, somewhere else in the ship you have these Nordics, right? You have the, the tall blondes.

You have these tall white skinned, long blonde hair, blue eyed beings that are in control according to the abductees, Travis Walton story being one of them. But this is, this takes place time and time again. And then you also have the Ashtar command, you have the New Agers, we’ll call it the Galactic Federation of Light. And these are the, they’re supposed to guide humanity into the next phase of evolution. We also have the Starship Enterprise in there. Yes, Captain Picard’s out there somewhere. Right. He was my role model. Make it so what do you think about that though Tim? Do you, do you believe that the fallen angels are appearing on these ships when the Grays abduct people? Yeah.

The question about the Nordics is, is one that perplexes me because it’s hard to determine exactly who the Nordics are because you do have hybrids out there. And then there’s another, there’s another hypothesis of Crypto terrestrials, ancient civilization and antediluvian crypto terrestrial civilization that is covertly inhabiting the Earth. That’s a, that’s a potential scenario as well that survive the cataclysm. And they’re, they’re either, you know, maybe they have a base on the moon or something like that, or they’re under the Earth. You know, wildly speculative of course, but, but certainly within the realm of possibility. And then, and then of course some of these beings might very well be what we call angels.

The members of the elder race who are, who are somehow involved on some level with the Grays. And when we say grays of course we probably should switch topics after this, but when we say Grays we’re talking about the little guys, but also the tall insect creatures. And so there’s an interesting connection there. Something I wanted to jump in with. You were talking about the Nords or the Nordics. I’m sure many of you guys are familiar with Mount Shasta. While supposedly there’s a city made of crystal underneath it where these Nordic beings are. Now of course you know how true that is.

We don’t know, but there’s been a lot of sightings around the Shasta Trinity Forest and up on the mountain of. Not just like Bigfoot and things like that, but these tall fair skinned beings in the kind of pointed ears, long blonde hair, very, very beautiful in complexion. You know, they’ll just be there one minute, the next they’re not. Or witnesses have reported just being engulfed in this bright, blinding light or they’re given some sort of like spiritual revelation. So, you know, like, what is that? What is that, Keith? Those are the viracocha. There we go. What’d you say? Who are the viracocha? Okay, the Vita Cocha.

So that’s the race that I was referring to, that is likely, in my opinion, inhabiting the interior of the Andes mountains. As crazy as that sounds, the Andean people have had contact with these beings for centuries. And they describe them all the same. In fact, the, the, the, the saucers often come out of the sea, they come out of the ocean, and there’s. If you’re on the coast of Peru from all the way down from then, then the coast down by Nazca, but then all the way up to Paracas. Nazca isn’t on the coast, but parallel to Nazca.

You know, people, you talk to the people who live there, and there aren’t many people who live there because it’s a desert wasteland. They see the saucers coming out of the water, coming out of the ocean and flying into the Andes, and then they’ve also seen them coming out of the mountains, like almost like some sort of a base inside of the Andes. And they see saucers and they see cigar shaped craft and they see the walnut shaped craft and, and the various configurations, the teardrop and so forth. So there’s reason to believe that so much of the activity in Central, rather South America, specifically in Peru, is related to the fact that they are there, that that’s where they have their habitation, whoever these people are.

And that’s a distinct possibility. Maybe we shift to Enoch because we’ve got 54 minutes. Okay. Yeah. So you want to say, you want to say anything before we maybe just how we can kind of tie this back? I mean, it all relates to first Enoch quite well. That’s a good point. Yeah. So we talked about the controversy of Enoch. Enoch is, as we said, the popularity, the interest in the book of Enoch is surging. And with that interest comes all the debunkers. And most of those debunkers are coming from the Christian community guys that I respect, like Wes Huff, totally wrong about what he’s saying, but, but very much respected.

So. And this is part of the reason why the narrative of Enoch is, is rejected, I think, in conventional Christian thinking is because it’s, it’s a story that is, is so extraordinary. And I believe, by the way, that this is the reason that it was ultimately, ultimately rejected by, by certain personalities in the early church. Not all of them, not even most of them necessarily, but certain very forceful personalities in the early church rejected the Book of Enoch because I think they found it to be scandalous and scandalizing the idea that angels could engage in, in intercourse with human women.

And as I’ve said, and as you all know, one of my primary contentions is that if you’re going to think about the, the Book of Enoch, then you have to. And, and the, and the activity of the watchers, the incident, the affair of the watchers, then you have to start with what I call the first cause. And if you start with this first cause and it forces a rearrangement of the theological furniture in your mind, and most people are not ready to do that. All of you, I’m sure, have already done it. But most people are not willing to do that.

And the first cause is, is what the angels of heaven lusted. That’s a problem for most Christians. That, right there is a problem because that, that one sentence, that one reality is it. It is, it is contradictory to the way that people, their entire cosmological paradigm as a Christian, as a Western Christian just goes out the window with that one statement. The angels of heaven lusted after human women because you have to back engineer that thought. I mean, if angels can lust, if the watchers can lust, that means that they have bodies. Because if you, there’s a, there’s a few things that we can extrapolate.

But, but you, they, they. And not to get vulgar, but they have to have the equipment, they have to have the sexual impulses. Don’t, don’t. Sexual impulses are related, are related to sexual organs, let’s put it that way. And biology, that’s it. So if the angels are lusting, it’s because A, these are biological beings. And also I would say, B, they’re compatible with us. We don’t lust after chimpanzees, right? Most of us don’t. I hope not. It is 20, 25. I mean, you know, it’s because we’re not reproductively compatible with them. And it’s grotesque. And so we’re very much like the sons of God.

We are their younger sibling. And they’re looking down at the daughters of Adam who are, who are exceedingly comely, exceedingly beautiful. These are the original females of our species, you know, close to the Prototypical woman, Eve. These are just a magnificently beautiful women and the angels are looking down at them and they’re lusting and, and so that, as I said, we can extrapolate so much from that. And then they concoct a plan and they know that what they’re about to do is going to be a massive infraction and it’s going to incur judgment. They know this because they bind themselves by mutual imprecations.

They take an oath. They know what they’re about to do is a great sin, as they say it in the Book of Enoch. And, and then of course, you all know the story, they descend. In fact, they, they take the oath on the summit of Hermon. They descended the mount to the summit of Hermon. And I don’t believe you know that. They’re not, it’s not, they’re not Aladdin’s genie, right? They don’t poof themselves from heaven to the, to the summit of Hermon. No. They traverse time and space, probably in aerospace vehicles. They arrive at the summit of Hermon, they descend on the summit and then they bind themselves with this oath.

That’s why the Hermon is known as the Mountain of Oath to this day. They bind themselves by mutual imprecations. In other words, we’re all in this together and we’re all going to, we are all going to pay the price to, to, to pay the price together. Whatever befall. We’re in this together. And then of course, they descend into the plains and they begin to choose from among the daughters of men, wives. Each one of them a wife for themselves. And I’ve had some, you know, this is in, in. I would say this is an in house.

I wouldn’t call it controversy debate, an in house debate about, about whether whether or not the watchers took these women by force or, or, or not. I mean, my, my good friend Joel Mutamale believes that they, they just, you know, chose a woman and threw, threw, threw over their shoulder and you know, walked off of there. But I absolutely disagree. I think that they were quietly observing, maybe they were cloaked, walking around quietly observing the villages and choosing for themselves the why and they would not have approached the women. Who would they have approached? The fathers.

Fathers. That’s right. This is a patriarchal society. So they’re going to go to the father and they’re going to. And, and they’re going to make them an offer. They. Right. I have observed your, your maiden and, and I would like to, to wed her. And in exchange the Dowry. In exchange, I’m going to give you the knowledge that you’ve been striving to learn. That’s the transaction. That’s the transaction. And, and to me, it’s clear they made a transaction because the Watchers didn’t just want to come to the Earth and, and, and fornicate. That was not their plan.

Their plan was to take wives, to, to pro. Generate offspring, hybrid offspring. Those two are explicit right in, in the Book of Enoch. And then, and then the third one, which is, which is not explicit is, but I think we, we can logically deduce is that through these offspring they could usurp dominion of the Earth from the human species. Because they’re very careful what the Watchers do. They have a very carefully laid plan and they think they’re going to be able to circumvent the courts of Heaven if they do this just right. And that becomes evident as they make their plea to God for mercy.

And so they have this very well crafted plan and they execute it. And it’s an exchange. It’s a bargain. It’s a fian. Bargain. But they’re doing it with the, with the legal vice regents of planet Earth. Right? So this is, and this ties into the stuff we were talking about yesterday with transhumanism. There’s this legal transaction that’s taking place where we, as the offspring of Adam, we have the authority to, we can abdicate our authority if we, if we decide to enter into an agreement, we. With adversarial forces, then, then we’re going to reap the consequences.

And that’s precisely what happened in the anti diluvian world. They entered into a legal contract. They, they, they received the, the, the hands of these maidens from their fathers, and in exchange, they gave them knowledge which amounted to functional technology. And of course, mankind was corrupted by the knowledge. And the Watchers led the human species astray. And their offspring grew to enormous size and began to devour all the acquisitions of the land until men could no longer sustain their enormous appetites and they began to consume human flesh and other kinds of animals as well. And so that story, I think, was so scandalous to some of the, let’s say some of the, some of the early church fathers, but by no means all of them.

There was, there were, there were several Church fathers who were very vociferous in support of the Book of Enoch. And the Book of Enoch was, the early church was conversant with Enoch. And let me say this, the writers of the New Testament, unquestionably were conversant with Enoch, as was one Jesus of Nazareth. I think one of the arguments that modern Christians like to make against that is that the Bible says that angels cannot. We’ll be like angels. We cannot marry or be given in marriage. And moot. Yeah, it doesn’t hold water because obviously marriage is irrelevant to the act that we’re talking about.

Exactly. And also that’s a question that’s specific to marriage in heaven. And the angels were not doing that. That’s why they came here to do it. Exactly. And what you mentioned, too, that the. They didn’t have to, you know, throw these women over their shoulder and take them. Look at the example of Sodom and Gomorrah. These angels were so beautiful that the men were lusting after them. Imagine what the women were doing. So they probably had no, you know, no trouble picking whatever wives they wanted. That’s precisely right. And as I say in my book Birthright, it’s hard to imagine women falling head over heels in love with a reptilian freak.

Right. So, yeah, Sodom and Gomorrah is a great example because in regard to the appearance of the sons of God, because Lot is sitting at the gates of the city and he sees these two men approaching and he instantly recognizes them. Well, what does that tell you? That tells you that his uncle Abraham had told them the stories of the sons of God who Abraham had seen. Who not only had he seen them, he served them dinner and they ate it. They didn’t pretend to eat it. They ate it. They ate and they drank. Right. And this is right now what a lot of Christians are wrestling with out there.

And like the Michael Knowles universe, these, the guys coming from the very traditional view. And they’re still. They still have this dichotomy between this, the. The physical world and the spiritual world, and there’s this hard line between. And they have nothing to do with each other. Well, Jesus says there’s going to be feasting in heaven. Jesus with his disciples said he would not drink of the cup until he did so again, in his Father’s kingdom, there’s something called the wedding Supper of the Lamb. I mean, there’s eating and drinking and feasting and music and merry making in heaven.

We didn’t invent this stuff. So Abraham does this with. With the angels and then probably tells a story to his family. They know what they look like. And when Lot sees them, he recognizes that these are the sons of God and he ushers them into his house. And yes, you’re right. They were so calmly that the homosexual populace of Sodom gathered around the door and demanded that they be turned over to them. And. And Lot was so reverent of. And, and this was the. The culture back then too, with. With when you would take in a stranger.

You know, we don’t really have that culture anymore. But back then, when you take in a stranger, you protect them at all costs. They’re under your roof. And. And you will you do whatever it takes to protect them. Right. And. But in this case, Lot had sons of God under his roof. And so when they demanded that these sons, that these comely men be turned over, what did he do? He offers them his daughters, could you imagine? Because he knew who his company was. And what did they do, by the way, with Lot? They had dinner, they ate with him before striking them in blind.

And. And then ushering Lot and his family out of. Out of Sodom before it was utterly destroyed. So why are we talking about that? I can’t remember how we got on that topic. This all started with your hypothesis that these beings, the Watchers, were biological to an extent. I wanted to add to that because. I agree and to further validate that. You know, in first Enoch, once he. He goes to God in his vision, you know, with pleading for them on his behalf. God obviously says no. And he tells Enoch to go deliver the. The final judgment to him.

Let him know. And this part always sticks out to me for two reasons. One, the. The. The pure emotion behind what happens, but also the fact that, you know, they’re. They’re. Well, I’ll. I’ll get to it. So, you know, he goes to the watchers and he basically gives them the news. And the fact that they just break down weeping, that is a strong emotion of just complete despair, knowing that they’re. The judgment has been made. It’s. It. You’re done. There is no turning back now. Not only is that just a strong emotion and evidence that, yeah, this has to be somewhat biological, but these beings, as we know, were highly and more than we can even comprehend, intelligent.

Didn’t they know that this was a risk they were taking? I mean, the fact that they were so confident they can kind of get around it, it’s just. Yeah, it was. They walked. They were trying to walk a very fine. I would. I would call it legal line to where they could circumvent the judgment of God. Yeah, because they made a legal transaction with the human species and God didn’t intervene until what? Until men began to call upon the name of the Lord. To cry out, in other words, to make suit to the, to the. To the court of heaven.

And that’s when God intervenes. So it’s, it’s because we’re the vice regents of planet Earth, and that’s why we will judge angels. We’re going to judge the angels that committed the infractions in our realm. This is our realm. And. And God has given us the responsibility to govern it. And that. And that the dominion of the earth belongs to the human species collectively, corporately, good, bad or indifferent. If we govern wisely. If, if, if. If the. If, if, if it’s a good king, the people rejoice. If it’s a bad king, the people mourn. Because good, bad or indifferent, the human species governs the earth.

And it’s our responsibility to govern it. Well, we were supposed to govern it in accordance with the precepts and the model of the kingdom of Heaven. That’s what’s supposed to happen here. And when that happens, there’s peace and prosperity and the human species abounds. And when we govern poorly, the opposite is the case. When we come under the influence of the enemies of God, then we reap the consequences. And that’s the history of mankind. I mean, that’s the ebb and flow of. Of good governments and bad governments. The rise and fall of empires. Absolutely. Well said.

I think one of the reasons, another reason why the modern world maybe rejects Enoch in a way or the way that, like you were saying, Michael Knowles and all of his people don’t really understand the concept. The Catholic Church has kind of tried to squash this for, you know, 2,000 years. I mean, like you said, early church fathers, I think, Justin Martyr and St. Augustine, a few of these people were really prolific writers and they, they made no mistakes about the fallen angels and the demons being separate beings. But now you have. Modern church is teaching that demons are fallen angels.

They’re. They’re one in the same. So when you think they think, well, how can demons manifest physically? Like, it doesn’t make sense because they’re separate beings. That’s the medieval view. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that’s the medieval view. There’s that conflation between demons and fallen angels. And. Yeah, that’s like what I’m. When I’m. I’m encountering that again. You know, I encounter that 10 years ago, and then we sort of all got collectively over that. Now I’m encountered again with all these new people coming in. Well, aren’t demons, Aren’t fallen angels just demons? No, I mean, the Details matter.

Because if. If you don’t get the details right, you conflate the stories, you conflate the characters in the stories, and you walk away with, I think, a poor, certainly demonology, but. But to some extent, poor theology in general. And as you are, as you all know, demons are exclusively the disembodied spirits of the Nephilim. That’s what they are. And, and those are. Those beings were hybrids. They were giants, and that was part of the. The curse of the giants. And, and, and against the Watchers as well, that the Watchers would have to watch the destruction of their beloved sons, who they dearly loved, and.

And they would be forced to watch their sons engage in. In fratricide. They went to war with each other. So God sent an angel to stir up strife between them, to send them against each other. And they engaged in this fratricidal war, which I think was a technological war, because they had their empires all over the Earth. You know, because we see this in the story of Atlantis, for example, that the gods apportioned the Earth among themselves. This is what I believe the Watchers did. They apportioned the Earth among themselves. And each watcher There are 200.

They established their own kingdom. This is why I refer to it as the empire of the gods, because that’s what the antediluvian world was. It was an empire of the gods, and they each had their domain. And who was the king of their domain? We’ll look to the Greek, the. The story of Atlantis. Poseidon, he establishes Atlantis. He. He received for his lot the island of Atlantis. And, and he. What does he do? What’s the next thing that he does? He becomes enamored of a human woman. He marries her. He copulates with her. She gives birth to 10 hybrid twins who become the kings of Atlantis.

Interesting. 10 hybrid twins. Kings of Atlantis. 10 hybrid kings in the book of Revelation. But this is the protocol. This is what they did. All of these Watchers portioned the Earth among themselves. They set up their own domains, their kingdoms, and they govern these kingdoms by proxy from behind the thrones of their hybrid offspring. Again, walking in that fine line, they received this authority, and it was an exchange. It was a bargain with the human species. It was a Faustian bargain, and they usurped human dominion in this manner. And so when I look back into the antediluvian world, what I see is an empire of the gods.

What I see is a scenario, and this is my own perspective, is a scenario in which you have. You have. You have the Watchers and their offspring. And of course, the Watchers taught mankind the knowledge that they were already striving to learn. But in the Book of Enoch, it’s specific that the Watchers instructed their sons and their wives, in other words, their families, their dynasties, in other knowledge, in secret knowledge that the rest of everyone else didn’t have in order to maintain dominance. And that’s why their offspring were giants. I don’t think that was happenstance. I think that was done.

I think that there was some sort of genetic engineering going on so that the offspring would, would be guaranteed to dominate the sons of Adam, to dominate them. And that’s precisely what they did. So they just in, in, in regard to their size, but also their technology and their superior knowledge. And so it’s, it’s very much like in my mind, the way that I envision this is, is like the movie Stargate. The, the, the. I’m trying to think of the actor’s name with Kurt, Kurt Russell, in which they go through the Stargate and they go to.

Is it Abydos? And, and, and they, they’re, they’re on this, this, this different planet. And it’s like Bronze Age Egyptian culture, but it’s being governed by this superior, what turns out to be an alien superior, you know, God with his, with his entourage who have technology, who have, who have much more advanced technology than the people. Well, that’s how I view the anti diluvian world. I think that the, the Watchers and their Dyn. They’re, they’re the dynasties of the Watchers, their offspring and their wives. They were in possession of more advanced technology than the rest of human civilization.

And they were governing the Earth in this empire of the gods. And, and, and then imagine these 200 different kingdoms going to war. That’s, it’s not giants, like, you know, Disney giants beating each other over the head with wooden clubs. That’s not the right visualization here. It’s technically advanced beings bringing to battle the armaments of the elder race, whatever that looks like, and, and, and decimating each other. Absolutely. Annihilating each other in a global fratricidal war. That’s what I think happened in the, in the antediluvian world before the flood. And when those, and when the offspring of the Watchers died, the curse was they would be forced to, to persist in the Earth in a disembodied condition.

They would be vagabond wraiths. They would have all of the, all of the desires of the flesh. They’d be hungry, they’d be thirsty. Presumably, they would have sexual impulses, but they would have no flesh with which or through which to satisfy these desires. And so what are they looking for? Bodies. And what kind of bodies are they looking for? The ones that are most analogous to the ones they had. Us. Right. And. And so that. That’s why they inhabit human flesh, so that they can attempt to satisfy these insatiable desires that they have. You know, it’s very interesting.

I always say this because it’s. It’s very interesting that that’s like literally the plot of the Pirates of the Caribbean. Remember, it was the curse of the. The Mayan gold. That’s literally what the curse of the Mayan gold was. Interesting. The Barbossa and his crew, they were in this terrible condition where they were hungry and thirsty and. But they couldn’t eat. They couldn’t satisfy their hunger and their thirst, and so they were just obsessed with breaking that curse. Well, that’s what the. That’s the curse of the Nephilim. Let me ask you guys both this question. It’s never exactly stated how much time, but, you know, we can kind of infer with some of the details, but I want your opinion specifically on this.

How much time overall do you think passes from the time the watchers look down lust after the women to the time that everything’s destroyed? Are we talking like 10,000 years? I mean, it had to have been a considerable, considerable amount of time to erect these massive kingdoms. Right. And to establish dynasties over the Earth. Yes, that’s a really good point. Yeah. So this is a common argument against. Against my hypothesis. And the argument is that because I believe that there were. There was a lot of time. I think there was a lot of time. I think from the days of Jared, this is when the watchers descended the days of Jared to the flood of Noah, that thousands of years elapsed.

So that’s plenty of time to establish kingdoms and to have kingdoms rise and fall and all kinds of history on planet Earth. And, and the. There’s two different timelines that you can construct using the genealogy of Genesis 5. You can construct the Masoretic timeline, which I don’t recall how many years. That gives you. A thousand, Something like that. Or you can. Or you can use the. The Septuagint timeline. And that gives you. If you just calculate the. The genealogy in Genesis 5, that gives you like, 2200 years or something like that. I think the Septuagint timeline is more accurate, by the way, the masoretes subtracted 100 years from life spine lifespans of the patriarchs, for whatever reason, I think they were trying to fit it into some, some, some number that they, they really wanted to accommodate it to some number.

So, but I think that, you know, there’s a phenomenon and we don’t have to go down this path very far, but there’s a phenomenon called telescoping. And the, the, it’s, this is not the exception, this is the rule. Whenever you encounter genealogies in the Bible, this is the rule. The rule is that, that individuals are removed from the genealogies. You, they’re not complete, they’re incomplete. That’s the rule, not the exception. And they’re incomplete because the, the authors of the genealogies who are, who are writing about these genealogies want to arrive at a particular number. And the number itself was symbolic and that’s part of the communication, that’s part of the messaging in the genealogy.

And so they would remove different individuals, different names from the genealogical, from, from the genealogical record in order to arrive at a particular number. That’s called telescoping. And again, I’m gonna, I’m gonna say it again. It is the rule and not the exception. So when people say, well what about the genealogy of Genesis 5 in regard to the pre flood patriarchs, doesn’t that prove that, you know, the earth is only this, this amount of years old, that, and that Adam was born in X date and, and the flood happened in this date and so forth? Well, the, the burden of proof, the onus is on is, is on those who believe that that is a linear chronology because all of the other genealogies are telescoped.

So in other words, the burden of proof is on, is on those people because this is the exception to the rule, right? I don’t know if I’m communicating this well, but this is the exception to the rules. So I think that what we’re seeing in the genealogy of Genesis 5, the pre flood patriarchs, is the names and the timeline. That was that, that, that the author wanted to, just like everywhere else in the Bible, wanted to fit it in a particular, wanted to con a, a message, right? Wanted to fit it within a particular calculation and that’s part of the messaging.

So in my mind, I think we’ve, we’ve got thousands of years before the flood. I don’t think the flood happened, by the way. You know, I used to think it was around 3400 BC. That’s sort of the traditional view. But, but now I realize that Something else happened around that date or somewhere in that neighborhood. And which would. I’m not sure if that’s the exact date, but. But I would say that the Tower of Babel incident happened somewhere around where most people think that the flood happened. And the flood happened sometime around 10,500 BC and then before the flood, who knows how many thousands of years unfolded.

That’s interesting you say that because a lot of these ancient structures are dated by actual, you know, archaeologists to that exact time. Gobetli Tepe. That’s right. You know, all these different places throughout the world. The city of Cusco. Yeah. Something happened around that time that we know as the flood of Noah that completely annihilated these structures. And, you know, they were built well enough to. That they survived. A portion of them at least. That’s right. And that clip that I played that we played of the, of the true. Of the Chasing Legends film, that’s what Andres was saying.

I don’t know if you guys caught that. We were up there at the, the Temple of the sun up in Ojante Tambo, me and Gary and Andres. And what Andres was saying was that whoever built that site, they, they left a timestamp. And if we, and if we can understand their timestamp, we can, we can know when, when the edifice was built. And when did he say it was built? Circa 10,000 BC based on axial procession. Okay. That’s a timestamp. So somebody was around building megaliths at 10,000 BC and people can say, well, wasn’t that a pre Adamic race? I mean, that’s always a possibility, but I don’t think so.

I think that was within the biblical timeline. Absolutely. The interesting thing is that these timelines line up worldwide. It’s not just an isolated thing. This one’s 10,000 BC, this one’s 5,000. No, a lot of them come to that same range of dates, plus or minus a thousand years here and there. But that’s, that’s, it’s not, it’s not questioned, you know, whether these things are. Well, this was only a thousand years old. No, these are at least from 10,000 B.C. you know, so we have that, that coalescence of, of opinions and people coming together and taking these ancient sites that are not linked in any way.

Of course we know they are linked, but they don’t see it that way. And they’re coming with the same range of dates. That’s right. How do you guys relate this to. I mean, this is a kind of a great segue, but it does tie in. So since coming Montana for the first time over the last month, I was blown away by just not only the geography, but even the, the, the, the archaeological records in this state I didn’t realize were so numerous and vast. I mean, there’s not just, you know, dinosaurs, but also a lot of fossils of like plant life and aquatic species.

During the, Or. Oh my gosh. By the. What am I trying to say here? The, the western side, I’m sorry, the eastern side of Montana, where it flattens out and goes. So we can kind of infer from that that there at some time there was a body of water through here. And you know, it kind of lines up with the Rockies. So what is, what does that mean? And you kind of line it up with just the flood and other things that happened. I thought you were gonna ask me the dinosaur question. Thank you. No, no, we’ve all heard that before.

I change it. Make it interesting. I don’t know what to think about Din, but I think the Earth is, you know, of course you have the young Earth versus the old earth Creationist. Obviously we’re all creationists, but I subscribe to an old earth creation narrative. I think the Earth is very, very old. It very well may have been inhabited by a non human species in a pre Adamic age. And there’s, and it’s, it’s entire. You can make. Both cases can be made from the same scriptures and we don’t have to go through all that here, but I think there’s a very compelling case to be made that the Earth is very, very old and that there’s deep history here on planet Earth.

And again, perhaps even extending beyond the human species. Maybe the Earth was inhabited by an angelic race. I am totally convinced that Mars was. And some of the other planets in our solar system and the one that exploded, by the way, that, you know, you’ll, you’ll see that in my presentation. So I think that the, the, the, our solar, our solar system was once teeming with life and that there was, there was something. See this, this, this is derived the problem that people have here and the reason why so many people are stuck, I would say stuck in a young Earth perspective.

And, and I respect the young Earth perspective. And, and I think that there’s a, there’s a good biblical case to be made for it. I just, I just subscribe. I’m more persuaded by the old Earth argument, but I think that that the perspective that it undergirds, the young Earth view is the anthropocentric perspective of the universe and of the biblical narrative, which says when you open the book of Genesis, you open it up, and this is the beginning of everything. That’s the perspective, right? This. Everything begins with us. I find that rather conceited. Everything begins with us.

You know, you open the book, ooh, this is all about me, right? That’s what that feels like to me, that perspective. It’s not true when you open that book. This is. This is the story of the Son of God. And we are an ancillary character in this story. And when you. And. And it doesn’t begin with us. What we’re seeing is our chapter in the story, but there are many chapters that precede us. And I think that the allusions to this reality are found all throughout both the Old and the New Testament. So I. I approach the Bible from a Christocentric perspective.

This is his story. This isn’t my story. It’s his. I mean, the. All of this was created for him. That he is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through him and for Him. And he is before all things and in him all things. Consistent cyst. Amen. Period. So that’s. This entire thing is for Him. The universe itself is for Him. He is at the center of all things.

When you open up the Scriptures, you’re reading his story, not yours. And. And I think that the. That the church has been hamstrung with an anthropocentric perspective for two long. And that’s why they have such a hard time accommodating extraterrestrials, for example, because it’s all about us. We’re the center stage. It’s us. It’s Earth, it’s me, it’s us. This whole thing’s for us. And yes, the. The. Obviously, the price that was paid to redeem mankind is. Is unfathomable, but it’s still the story of the hero who paid the price. It’s his story. Boy, this is a really good setup for my presentation.

I didn’t mean to do this, but, boy, this is a good setup for my presentation, so stay tuned. But, you know, it really makes a difference. It really makes a difference if you’re coming from the anthropocentric perspective or if you’re coming from the Christocentric perspective. The Christocentric perspective is the correct biblical perspective. And so, I don’t know. I went on that rant, but, oh, it’s good. Praise the Lord. Oh, the older thank you versus the younger thank you. So that’s, I think, where people get tripped up, because it’s like, wait a minute. And this is really.

It is a conceited thought. How could anything have been happening before we were around? Right. No, the angels, they popped into existence one minute before us with this fully formed civilization, and I don’t think so. It’s interesting because a lot of people will say, you know, well, extraterrestrials aren’t in the Bible. And when they say that they’re not understanding, they. They have that term extraterrestrial kind of ingrained in them is like some sort of Hollywood like. Like the Grays, for instance. But look at Job, the angels, they sang for joy when the Earth was created. They aren’t from Earth.

They were. They predated Earth. So by very definition, they are extraterrestrial. Yeah, that’s right. Well, to. To add. I don’t want you to go off that. But, but to add to that, something that I’ve thought about a lot is, well, how do you supposedly, you know, if you go back 4,000 years of that and all that, how do you go from that to all of a sudden you have all the. These different races and cultures of the Earth? I mean, you know, if you look at, you know, Chinese for from, you know, from Africa to South America, we’re talking about people who have vastly different facial structures.

Bones dry overall, completely different. So how do you. How do you go from one person to that in 4,000 years? I just don’t see that being possible. Yeah, no, I agree. I agree. And let’s, let’s remember that, you know, you cited the verse from Job that the, the sun, the morning stars sang together, and the sons of God shouted for joy when the foundations of the. Of the earth were being formed. And think about that. You know, the, the epithet morning star. What does that communicate? Morning star? Well, the morning star is. Is. Is like it’s the first thing in the morning that you see.

If you get up early enough, you see the morning stars before the dawn. Right? That communicates the, The. The exceeding agedness of the elder race, that these beings are unfathomably old, ancient. They’re the first beings to. To. To exist in the universe. And that’s what’s being communicated through morning star. And, And. And who is preeminent and, and pre existent above all? Christ. He is so so obviously there’s something behind us way back there in the distant past. There’s this history, there’s the, there’s an unfolding of an untold history. Who knows how far into the distant past behind mankind and our pairing.

The, the timing of our appearance is not incidental. We show up on the scene at a very important moment in the story. After the rebellion, after the insurrection, after the Earth is laid waste by cataclysm, after the obliteration of Rahab and, and the defeat of the Dragon Prince and his insurrection and he’s cast to the earth. Then, then the stage is set for us, for our act, then our story begins. So it’s a part of the larger narrative. It’s not open the Bible and here we are. It’s, it’s, this is our chapter. We are now coming on the stage to play our part in the story of the Son of God.

That’s the way that we should be reading the Bible. Absolutely. There’s. Well said. We only have about 15 minutes left. Unfortunately, time goes too fast. So I want to ask you a question about. As Jesus said, as it was in the days of Noah, so shall be when I return, basically. So are you seeing a return? Because the one thing that we can gain, you know, we can understand from the days of Noah is the presence of the Nephilim and the sons of God. Now when they return, do you see them returning as giants again? That’s a really good question.

Or as demons inhabiting machines, for instance? It could be both. You know, I don’t like the idea of demons inhabiting machines because it’s just so bizarre. It really is. It’s like it offends my, my brain. But, but I have to tell you, I’m going to answer that question in a very interesting way. Okay. One time I, When I was living in Peru, I, I think I’ve told the story maybe, maybe, maybe once before. So some of you may have heard it. When I was living in Peru, we were doing prayer meetings in Peru all the time.

And that was kind of like what my wife and I, Jasmine were doing. And, and I had a good friend named Willman, Peruvian guy, he was a pastor. And we were doing. Willman was renting. There’s a two story house and Willman was renting the. He was living in the bottom part and we were renting the top part for the prayer meetings. And one day during this prayer meeting, I had this, I had this, this, this feeling that I was supposed to go out to my land, which I have A piece of property in the jungle. And you got to cross over four times right now to get to it.

So it’s way out there. And. And I have this. This. I have this piece of property out in the jungle. And we built what’s called a tombo, a hut out there. Thatch roof, hut. Me and some of the guys that worked with me, some proving guys. And so I would go out there sometimes and. And with these young guys, and we would just hang out and camp sometimes we’d fast. We’d just kind of use it as a place to go and fast. And. And my friend Willman, the pastor, I was up in the. In the prayer meeting, and I had this.

I had this sense that I would. I needed to go out to my land and I needed to fast and pray about. I’m going to forget it right now. What’s the Isaiah. What is it that Jesus opened and read in. In the presence of the. Of the people at the synagogue. But what was Isaiah? What? Huh? Isaiah 53. It’s Isaiah 53. That he would set the captives free. I’m trying. I’m drawing a blank on it. You guys know what I’m talking about? So what’s that? 61. Okay. I didn’t plan on talking about this. And, and I.

And I. It’s in Isaiah. There we go. And I had that, that. This, this, this. As I said, the strong feeling, I need to go out to my land and I need to fast. And I. And specifically about this, this passage. And I came downstairs after the prayer meeting. I sat with my friend Wilman. I said, hey, I just. I just got this really strong feeling that I got to go to my land and fast. And he said, Me too. Isaiah 60:1. That’s what he said. He said, me too. I have the same thing. And it’s Isaiah 61.

You and I need to go up there and fast and pray about Isaiah 61. I thought, okay, let’s go. So he and I packed up and we went out there. We rode motorcycles up to San Antonio de Kumbasa and we went out to my land and we were fasting in this hut. We did it for three days and nothing at all. Zero. I was getting nothing. I’m like, what? You know, I’m just out here hungry. That’s it. So surrounded by the way by like, mangoes and pineapples. It’s the worst place in the world to do this.

So in some respects. So I was kind of frustrated, like, what am I doing out here? But the last night I Was. I think I was sleeping in a hammock in the, in the hut. I had this crazy dream and it really seems quite apropos now, but at the time it was just so bizarre, but it was, it was this crazy dream and I won’t go through all the details, but long story short, demons were inhabiting technology and I. And like they were inhabiting technology and I won’t go through all the details. It’s kind of bizarre and, and I wish I could quote Isaiah 61 right now because it’s pertinent to it, but.

But I. At the end of the dream, I was walking on a fence. I’m walking on a fence and. And to my right my dad was there, my brother, and they, and, and they, they were saying something to me. I think my dad said, what was that? And then I looked to my left and there was an angel standing there. And I knew it in the dream. And he pointed at me and he said, this is Isaiah 61. Because it has to do with setting the captives re. And, And, and, and casting out basically like casting out demons and stuff like that.

So. And I woke up from that dream and it was like I, I opened my eyes and it was just, this is Isaiah 61 and it’s resonating in my head. And I knew that what was meant was this is going to be a manifestation of Isaiah 61 in the future. Like, there’s a. There’s something coming in which. And I still. And I don’t even like to think about it because it’s so bizarre. There is a. There is something. There’s. There’s a scenario in which technology is being built perhaps to accommodate some kind of a demonic force.

And again, that offends my. It offends my logical brain, but I can’t deny that that’s a possibility. It’s definitely a logical, you know, progression of where we are today. There’s no question about that. I mean, not only the humanoid robots that are being constructed, you know, by Tesla, by all these other companies, but also the cybernetics, the, you know, the merging with biology. I mean, neuralink, all these things. Once you have these synthetic brains that are, you know, built in laboratories or grown, I should say, yeah, that. That leaves the door wide open for these things to inhabit.

And if there’s millions of Spirit. Demon spirits. Yeah, you’re building neural networks for the brain. I mean, that, that are ma. That model. The essentially creating a biological entity that a. Perhaps a. As Tom Horn would have said, a fit. Extension into which. And through which some kind of demonic force can operate. And by the way, I should have said in the dream I was casting the demons out of the machines. Praise the Lord. So that’s why it was connected. Isaiah 61, that’s. Do you have any thoughts on this, Josh? I’m, I’m just blown away. Well, we only have eight minutes left.

Do you want to maybe circle back to the end, the fall of the empire of the gods and maybe wrap that up? Yeah, we can. Yeah. Kind of tying that back into the clip we played. You know, when we look at Meg, we haven’t talked about megaliths. Maybe we’ll talk about megaliths here for a moment. When we consider megaliths, I think what we’re looking at are the remains of the civilization that was destroyed in the flood sometime circa 10,500 BC. And, and that those megalithic edifices, in some cases, maybe it’s ojante tombos we’re talking about in the film, were constructed to, to, to withstand cataclysm because the builders knew that cataclysm was coming.

See, I’m further setting myself up for my talk here. So the builders knew that cataclysm was coming and so what kind of edifices would they construct in order to attempt to survive? Precisely. Those kinds of edifices that are built with anti seismic mechanisms and with massive stones. And I think that really what we see on the surface is very impressive. But I think what’s more important is what’s under the surface, what was built beneath these megalithic sites. And I think it’s very possible that they were in fact constructed to withstand cataclysm and perhaps in the hope that, that, that some of these people could survive the cataclysm.

Are deep underground military bases a part of these complexes? That was a nice weave into that topic there. Yes, I think so. You know, it’s interesting because billionaires are building bunkers. That’s a fact. And they, and you know, I, I saw a, I saw a, an interview, maybe you guys caught it too, with oh geez, what’s his name? Zuckerberg. And he was, and there was, I don’t know if you guys saw this as a reporter walking by, walking with Zuckerberg, and she said, is there a reason why you’re, you’re building these bunkers? Do you know something we don’t? Because he’s, he built one too.

And he played it off like, oh, no, no, it’s just like underground room that I built and blah, blah, blah. No no, no. They’re building bunkers. They’re building bunkers. And I think I know why. And I think you’re all going to go know why in about an hour from now. They’re building bunkers. And, And I think it’s because they, they, they, they understand the clock, the cosmic clock, and they know what time it is. And so I think they’re doing very much like what the people who were living in the days of Noah, some of them who understood the time, were doing as well.

Now, many of them were caught off, but were caught by surprise. They were scoffing and mocking Noah as he was building the ark. But maybe not all of them. Maybe not all of them. Maybe the megaliths are evidence that somebody knew what time it was and what was about to happen. It’s interesting. I mean, not only are the billionaires building bunkers, but Jeff Bezos just built this strange doomsday clock in the mountains of New Mexico. That’s right. I think it’s supposed to tick once every year for 10,000 years or something like that. Yeah. And you know when you ask them about.

Oh, you know, like, they try and just blow it off like it’s no big deal. Yeah. And we’re trying to get off planet. Yeah. Yeah. And Elon’s talking about sending robots with AI programmed into them to Mars and let them terraform by themselves. So, you know, whenever stuff hits the fan, we can just. Or they, not us, they can go there. Yeah. Jeff Bezos in his interestingly shaped rocket ship. If you’ve seen Austin Powers, you know what I’m talking about. Yeah. Even Sam Altman of OpenAI, he’s like, Got almost. Or I think he’s building like a full underground compound.

I think it’s like Southern California. It could be wrong on the location, but kind of the same thing too. People are like, what’s going on? He’s like, well, I just, you know, I just want to be just prepared, you know, just again, playing it off. Yeah. It’s strange. Yeah. Don’t. Insect panic. Yeah, There’s. There’s got to be something going on. Well, we have many deep underground military bases under, under, under our soils. And I think there’s a network of them around the world. And perhaps they were built for multiple. Certainly continuity of government. And it’s just a good idea.

I mean, it’s a good idea, especially in the nuclear age. And we started building those after World War II and we brought over some guys from, from, from the project Paperclip. The, Our operation Paperclip some of the Nazis who were part of the tote organization to help us build those bunkers. And then we developed nuclear boring machines. And ever since we’ve been constructing these, I think a mile deep, some in some cases beneath the surface of the earth. And that, that, you know, again, nuclear age. That’s, that’s a good idea to do that. But also you sort of circumvent any kind of, you know, out of sight, out of mind.

If nobody knows that these bases exist, then nobody knows what you’re doing in these bases that nobody knows exists. Right. Or what’s inside of them. Or what’s our technology. That’s right. Technology. Exactly right. And there’s even rumors that some of the, and we’re, we’re getting way off topic here, but there’s evil. We only have three minutes, so it doesn’t matter. And there’s, and there’s, there’s even rumors that some of these bases are joint bases. Alien, human, where they’re developing, where there’s an exchange of technology happening. Perhaps something like the Faustian bargain that was underway that was struck by the watchers with mankind in the days of Noah.

A lot of abductees come back with reports saying that there was involved with their abduction. That’s right, military personnel and that they went to underground bases. Yes, those are the. My labs and military abductions. Right. Tim Quick, I want your like 2 minute opinion on this. And of course I’m blanking on his name. You guys might remember. I’m trying to think of the guy. He was, he killed him. He was suicided like what, the 90s? Phil Schneider. Thank you. Yes, exactly. Yeah, give me your like 2 minute take on that. I believe Phil Schneider. Now having said that, I think that Phil was subjected to, I think he might have been in the MK Ultra program.

I talked to Fritz Springmeier about Phil, about Phil Schneider. I met with Fritz, with Spritz, with Fritz Springmeyer in Vegas some years ago. And I specifically asked him about Phil Schneider. And, and Phil had a good friend named, named Ron Rummel. He was killed too, by the way. Fritz and Ron used to make these little videos. This was before, way before YouTube. And, and they had these videos where, where Phil was talking about all of the stuff that he would later disclose on his, on his, on his speaking circuit around the country. They tried to kill him.

I believe they tried to kill him 12 times. They got him on the 13th. And Ron Rummel, his friend, they walked up to him, shoved a gun in his mouth in a Public park and blew his brains out. Ron Rummel. And. And. But. But Fritz and I. I think Fritz is right for Fritz Springmeyer believed, because he knew Phil Schneider and Ron. He was friends with them. He knew them. And he told me that he believed that. That Phil had been subjected to like an MK Ultra type program, maybe had multiples. Because. And that makes sense, because if you’re deep in these programs, if you’re the son of some.

And he was of a U boat. He was. His dad came over for Operation Paperclip. He was a UBO U boat officer. And. And so he was in the program and conditioned. And so some of his recollection and some of. And that’s why the way he speaks and everything is kind of bizarre because he was subjected to these mind control programs when he was young. But Fritz absolutely believes his testimony, as do I. And we’ve got 30 seconds to tell you what it is. I’m sure most of you already know that, that Phil Schneider was involved in.

And he was a geologist, and he was involved in building the underground bases. And he was. His job was to determine what kind of minerals he was dealing with and the appropriate explosives to blow out the chambers. And while he was doing this, he blew out a chamber. They encountered a chamber in which there were these tall grays. And Phil was lowered down into this to see what was going on because they couldn’t drill any further. And when he got down there, he saw the tall grays. And one of them shot him. And two, one. We’re done.

Tim, I want to thank you very much for inviting us. Thanks, guys. It’s a pleasure. Thank you so much. Thank all of you guys for coming out. Thanks, guys. Timothy Alberino, everybody. Josh and Keith, everybody.
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