Former Mob Boss and a Colombo Soldier: Expose the Truth Behind the Last Mob War

➡ The text is a conversation about a real-life crime story involving a man named Greg Scarper Jr. who was involved in a war with a group of people. The speaker also talks about his upcoming 75th birthday and thanks those who bought a special package to celebrate with him. He also discusses his friend Michael Sessa, who has been in jail for 34 years for a crime he didn’t commit, and his plans to expose the corrupt prosecutor responsible for his friend’s imprisonment.
➡ The speaker discusses a complex web of corruption, misconduct, and espionage involving the FBI and government officials. He reveals his fear of the government due to their actions and hopes for a change in the agency’s mindset. The speaker also recounts his involvement in a mafia family’s internal struggle, detailing various incidents and relationships. He ends with a story about a shooting incident that he was involved in, which led to a man’s death.
➡ A violent conflict within a crime family led to a war, with two factions forming – one loyal to Vic Arena and the other to Carmine Persigo. The war escalated when an assassination attempt failed, leading to a directive to kill anyone associated with the Arena faction. This war, which lasted from 1991 to 1992, resulted in 12 deaths and numerous attempted murders. The conflict was fueled by inside information from an FBI agent, which was used to locate and kill members of the opposing faction.
➡ An FBI agent, Del Vecchio, was involved in a series of murders while investigating organized crime. He used his informant, Greg Scarpa, to commit these crimes, which he later prosecuted. This led to the wrongful imprisonment of Michael Cessa, who was framed for a murder he didn’t commit. The real murderer, Joseph Ambrosino, confessed to the crime, but Cessa remains in prison.
➡ The text discusses a series of trials related to organized crime. The trials involved multiple people, including Michael, Vicarina, Patti Amato, and others. The text suggests that there was corruption and lying during the trials, particularly involving an FBI agent named Del Vecchio and a confidential informant named Greg Scarpa. The text also suggests that the outcomes of the trials were influenced by whether or not the jury was aware of the relationship between Del Vecchio and Scarpa.
➡ The text is about a man who was convicted for multiple murders and attempted murders, resulting in a life sentence. However, due to manipulative indictment, his sentence was reduced to 35 years, then further reduced to 8 years by a judge who knew about a secret informant relationship. The man believed he would be released soon after the informant relationship was revealed, but his appeal was denied and he remained in prison.
➡ The speaker recounts his time in prison, where he was involved in various incidents, including a murder and receiving a warning about a plane crash. He spent three years in solitary confinement, followed by four months on a prisoner transport plane. He also mentions a corrupt FBI agent who was working with a mobster, and how this information was covered up to prevent the release of certain prisoners. The speaker believes this cover-up led to the 9/11 attacks and the continued imprisonment of an innocent man.
➡ The text discusses the alleged corruption and misconduct of certain individuals, particularly Wiseman and Del Vecchio, in the case of Michael Cess. It suggests that Cess was wrongfully imprisoned due to their actions, and that other individuals who admitted to serious crimes served less time or were released. The text also mentions the Second Step Act, which could potentially lead to Cess’s release, but claims that this option is being denied. Lastly, it shares a personal anecdote about the author’s time in Terminal Island prison and a tracksuit he inherited from previous inmates.
➡ The speaker is advocating for a man named Michael, who he believes was wrongly imprisoned due to corruption within the legal system. He accuses a prosecutor and an FBI agent of misconduct, leading to Michael’s unjust sentence. The speaker is determined to expose this corruption and help Michael regain his freedom, insisting that those in power must be held accountable for their actions. He also mentions a TV series he wrote about a related situation, and a future plan to open a bagel shop.
➡ The text emphasizes the importance of the government using its power and resources correctly and fairly, not targeting individuals for personal gain or disagreement. It calls for accountability in these actions. The author ends with a blessing for everyone, acknowledging the challenging times, and expresses hope for divine favor on the country.

This is a puzzle that’s 34 years in the making. And there’s only two to three people that know the whole story, that can tell it. And you’re one of them, I’m one of them. All the other goodfellas on the case, everybody’s dead. There was a temple on Greg Scarper’s life, right? And his daughter was in the car, grandkid was in the car, and they tried to shoot him. The door opens and there’s blood squirting out of his neck, his back, and he just drops down. So now I’m thinking, okay, the war’s starting. I grew up around this.

Now it’s my time to shine. I’ll show them what I can do. There would be a crew of guys in each safe house, Machine guns, short off shotguns, automatic weapons, pistols, bulletproof vests, walkie talkies. In other words, this was reality. This was not what they saw in the Godfather. This is the real yes. It’s not like you go in on a piece of work. This is your friends that know every move you make, know everything about you. They’re the ones coming after you. What would you rather have on a team? A team of businessmen that really don’t do street things or a team of people who are assassins? That’s why we dominated the war.

And it all ties in between what Greg Scarper Jr. Had told me prior to this sit down. And now what you’re telling me, it all ties in. It’s unbelievable. Hey, everyone. Welcome to another sit down with Michael Francis. Hope everybody is doing well. All is very good, very blessed on this end. And as always, my friends, I give all the praise, honor, glory, and thanksgiving to our God for that. Well, May 27th is approaching my 75th birthday. It sounds so old, people, but it’s better than the alternative, not making it to 75. I always say that.

Getting old. Yeah, but I’ll take that rather than not getting old, God willing, I’m gonna go a little bit further than that. But anyway, I want to thank everybody, those of you that bought the wine and pizza package. The pizza’s on its way. You already got the wine. You’ll have it before my birthday for sure. I can’t wait to sit down with you on my birthday. We’re going to sit down, we’re going to go through a whole thing. For those of you on YouTube, you come in free. You didn’t have to buy the package. We’re going to do that also.

But those that bought the package are going to get something a Bit special from me. We’re going to have a great time, but can’t wait to drink the wine, eat the pizza with all of you and celebrate my birthday. I three quarters of a century with all of you. So I look forward to that. It’s coming up soon. I want to thank everybody. We got such great comments on my interview with Greg Scarpa Jr. Which by the way, people, I’ve said this. Everything that I tell you, it is a fact. I don’t make things up. I don’t look to bury people.

I don’t look to sensationalize anything. What I’ve told you, I’ve researched. I believe Greg Scarpa Jr. He’s, he’s been, he’s been corroborated, no question by documentation. Some right from the FBI, from other attorneys that have researched this case. No question. He was spot on telling the truth. And let me tell you something, he put himself at great risk, you know, to even come forward and do the interview because so much went on, what they did to that poor guy. Buried him in supermax in, in solitary confinement for almost 15 years just to hide what he had to say about his, you know, investigation with the terrorists.

Terrible thing what they did. My guest today is going to corroborate much of what Greg Scarpa Jr. Said. Frankie Patillo, Frankie Steele, we know him at, he was a Colombo family associate. He was around during the war, you know, back with Reno and Persico. 91 to 94, he did, I think 13 to 15 years in prison. And much of what he has to say is going to corroborate what Greg Scarpa Jr. Had to say. But you know, more than that. My dear friend Michael Cessa has been in jail for 34 years for a crime that he should not have been convicted for.

I can tell you this right now and it’s because I’ve said this before, because of this scum of the earth. And that’s all you can call him, Andrew Weissman, the most corrupt prosecutor that I think has ever taken the oath to be a prosecutor. He is an absolute, absolute just bad guy. He’s framed people. He’s, he’s done it time and time again throughout his career. He even tried to frame our president during this whole Mueller investigation. He was the lead prosecutor. He framed some other people that were during the lawfare situation with Biden. Just a bad guy.

But forget that for a minute. For those of you that don’t like Trump, look what he did to other people. I want this guy exposed. He’s doing something now, he got involved in a mortgage scam. I’m going to tell you more about it. This is a bad guy who has the nerve to be teaching other students right now, okay, law students. What is he teaching them? To be as underhanded and corrupt as him. Bad, bad guy. And I want my friend out of prison because between Andrew Weissman and Lynn Del Vecchio, okay, they. They framed. Framed my friend.

He’s done 34 years in prison. Bad guys. And I’m going to do everything in my power to expose this guy. Even President Trump knows what garbage he is. In plain English, I don’t hold back. But I want to tell you this. I’m not making anything up here. Everything I tell you is a fact. And I wouldn’t let somebody get on there and lie to me and then stand behind their lie. What Greg Scarpa told you was the truth about the whole terrorist situation. How they closed down the investigation not to disrupt the convictions in the mob cases that they had that were later overturned anyway.

Only my friend hasn’t been overturned yet, and he should be, because it’s an abomination what happened to him. All right? But we’re going to pursue this thing. I want Andrew Weissman and held accountable. The FBI agent already got away with four murders and being an accomplice to murders, he already got away with that. They protect their own. But it shouldn’t happen anymore. And I’m going to continue to expose this guy and Frankie Portillo. Okay? My next guest, he’s going to have a lot to say about this. You got to hear how these people work. And let me tell you something.

Like Cash Patel, or not, if he really is committed to cleaning up the FBI, he needs to do it. Because these people frame people. They destroy lives, and we can’t allow it to happen anymore. It’s not only mob guys that they go after. They’ll go after anybody that doesn’t agree with them for any purpose that they want. Andrew Weissman, the worst. Absolute worst of the worst. And you’re going to hear more about it now. So with no further delay, my very special guest, the guy that’s been through it, very, very credible, no doubt about it, he had a lot more to say than we did in this one interview.

But I could have kept him on for three or four hours. And again, we verified everything that he said. This is not somebody we’re just throwing up there for any purpose. We verified it, verified whatever he said. He’s a darn good witness. He’s a good guy. My Next guest, with no further delay, Frankie Steele, as we affectionately know him. All right, so, Frankie, we’re going to go back a number of years. I was in prison during this time, but we had a war. They called it the Colombo Arena War, the third war that I was during my lifetime.

I would say you have some good information about that because you were involved. Yes. And also about a very dear friend, Michael Sessa. Yes. Who you’re intimately involved with at that time. You knew him very well. Good friend who’s doing 34 years in prison for a crime he didn’t commit. 100. We know that. We have the facts to back it up. Correct. So I want you to take me back to the Colombo war. How do you believe it started, what your involvement was, and whatever light you can shed on it as an insider? Because I don’t think anybody’s ever talked about this before.

Well, some did, but there’s not many of us left who actually went to trial for the war. The first three trials, we all got convicted because we didn’t have the information about Agent Del Vecchio and Greg Scarborough Sr. Any trial after that that the information came out. They all got acquitted. Right. You had 48 jurors, four different judges with the new information about Agent De Vecchio and Greg Scarper Sr. They all were acquitted. And what was that information? Well, basically, Greg Scarborough Sr. Was working as a top echelon informant with Agent De Vecchio, who ended up reactivating him in the early 80s.

Before that, it was Agent Vilano. And I found this out through the years of, you know, you’re in jail, you’re doing your bid, and you want to just read the information to figure out just what happened here. Because this is so entwined with the corruption, the misconduct by the government, the misconduct by the FBI, and even higher ups in Washington. You know, it’s. It’s. This is like I’m not even a mob case anymore. It’s like an espionage case, because certain information came out through the years that it’s called fruit from a poisonous tree. If we would have had this information at trial that they held against us, the judge knew about it.

The prosecutors knew about it. It was a prosecutor, okay? It was a whole team out of the Eastern District. Valerie Caproni, Andrew Weissman, George Stambolitis, Mike Considine, John Gleason. Okay. Yeah, they were the clique back then. Gleason was on my case, so I’m a little familiar with him. And what they did here. It’s just disgusting. And all these years later, we’re talking about. I’m talking about it now because it’s so delicate. You’re afraid of the government because you see what they did here. And what I can tell you is, like, you know, I don’t want to be found in my garage or my shed with a hanging.

With a suicide note. Well, let me. Let me say this. And I mean, this is not a joke, because you have every reason to feel that way. If this was under the Biden administration and Comey and Ray and those guys, I wouldn’t even put you on here. Couldn’t do it. But I really believe that Cash Patel is trying to clean up the agency. And I think we have a different mindset there now. You know, I hope it’s right. This is what we’re seeing, and we’re hoping that it’s right. If it wasn’t this time, now, I wouldn’t have asked you to.

Come on. I don’t trust those guys before either. Well, basically, if you want to go back. Yeah, I do. This is a puzzle that’s 34 years in the making, and there’s only two to three people that know the whole story that can tell it. And you’re one of them. I’m one of them because I was one of the youngest guys on the case. Everybody else who this. That knows this story, there’s. I’m alive. Michael Cess is alive. Vicarina is alive, but he’s 90 with dementia, so he’s really, you know, not too much, but. And one other person.

I’ll just say John, but he’s, you know, out of it. You know, he’s old, too. Everybody else died. All the other goodfellas on the case. Everybody’s dead. There’s nobody left. And this all started with an internal struggle in the family. The third Colombo and I was aligned with the Percival faction, where it was like 80 of them of the arena loyalists versus 30 of us. My friends, my 75th birthday is coming up. The end of May. Three quarters of a century. Well, I made you all a promise. We’re going to do something very special, an evening you don’t want to miss.

Click the link in the description, go to celebrate michaelfrancis.com or scan the QR code right now and reserve your spot. Now, let’s get back to the video. Talking made guys, right? And then you had associates, and you weren’t a made guy. No, I was an associate. And now war starts now. Now this is your time to shine. You want to show them what you could do. And what happened was I was around Jerry, I’ll just say Jerry, whose father was Bobby Zam. Bobby Zambodi. And Bobby Zambodi was out of Greg Scarpa seniors crew in that crew before Carmine Sessa became a concierge.

And the only reason why he became the concierge was Jimmy Angelina was killed. Jimmy Angelina was made when you were made. Yeah. Okay. And basically that was the beginning of the end when it comes to the Colombo war, because Vic arena had. Was. Was, I believe John Gotti was in Vicarina and Joe Scopo’s ear. 100% he was. Because I had a. I had an issue with John Gotti and Vic arena caused the issue. Right. They were close. Yes, they were very close. And, you know, being around Bobby Zambia, who was in the direct crew of Carmine, Carmine Sessa, Joe and Johnny Sapp, the Sapp brothers, Joe Brewster, Greg Jr.

S crew, Greg Scarper Jr. And you’re around all these people. But I was friends with the son, so they know me since I’m young, so they trusted me. And just for people to know. Carmine Sessa was Michael Sessa’s brother. Correct? He eventually became an informant. Yes, he, He. He became an informant about three to four months after the convictions of our trials. Because we were the first, basically, first four trials that didn’t have this copper information. We just went on the blind. And again, the indictment was written so vague. But I’m going to get to the indictment.

Let me just back up to the first. What is how this started. I believe John Gotti got into Vicarina’s ear and said, listen, you could be the boss officially instead of acting because he was acting for Carmine Versico, who was in Lompoc doing 139 years. So Vic had Jimmy Angelina pull the captains and ask them, if I become official boss, will you back me? Well, it got back to Junior that Jimmy Angelina was doing this. So before Jimmy Angelina can say, you know, vic made me do this, they had him killed. You know, I gotta just interject, you know, I had a problem one night and Jimmy and I were pretty close, and he walked me into a room.

I didn’t know if I was gonna walk out again. And Jimmy was always. He was more closer to my dad originally. And then he got close with Junior, and after it was all over, I told him, I said, you know, remember this, you’re with us. And just, just be careful the way you’re conducting yourself. And was unbelievable that a couple of years later they walk him in that room. But anyway, Walked him in the room. Yeah, they killed him. And the people who did that murder, I was, you know, ended up running into them in prison.

So it’s, you know, you talk about things. Yeah. You know, plus, they know me, so you could talk around me. And that was the beginning. Now Carmine Sessa gets elevated to be the concierge of the family. Now, Carmine Sessa is Michael Sessa’s brother. I’m close with Michael Sessa. I’m close with Bobby Zam. Bobby Zam is close to a Carmine. So I’m a young kid around these major players, so I seen things. It was part of things that normal associate wasn’t, you know, because they know me since I’m young. And now it goes to happen again where Vicarina is getting chirped on by John Gotti and Joel Scopo is getting chirped on to become the official boss.

They want Carmine to go pull the captains again. Carmine goes to Greg Scarpa Sr. And says they want to pull the captains because if they want to, you know, take control. Gregory Senior tells Carmine, you’re going to get killed. And that’s the start of the war now, because they have a plot to kill Vicarina. Now, when this takes place, we would have been on that situation, me, his son and everybody. But right before that took place, we had a social club in Bay 50, right near the Espionage, right next door. And during that day, one of the kids in the neighborhood went to Great Adventure, and there was a fight at Great Adventure.

And now everybody goes to the bar to drink at the bar. There’s a fight between these two guys, and this guy Chestnut ends up fighting this guy Arthur. So Arthur comes to us and says, listen, I want to still hang out with you guys. Let’s play some pool in your social club. So we do that. We’re playing pool and he’s drinking. Why he didn’t use the bathroom, I don’t know. He goes outside to use the driveway. And now we hear the shots, and the door opens, and there’s blood squirting out of his neck, his back, everywhere.

And he just drops down. So now we get him into my car. I put him in the car. The other guys that are staying in the club, they close the door and they clean up the blood. I throw him in the car. I jump under Bell Parkway. The closest hospital was Coney Island Hospital. So I have him in the car, and he’s just gurgling and gasping for air in the back, but I’m trying to get him there. So I get to Coney Island Hospital. And I go to the emergency room. I’m honking the horn. Ambulance people there, they put him on the gurney.

I take off because I can’t answer questions. I take off. Now we find out who did this murder, who did this shooting. Because the guy didn’t die yet. He was still alive. He died four days later. So now I go to the car where Bobby Zam had a call out on Cropsey Avenue. And we’re trying to get the blood out of my car because he’s saying, DNA, you want the blood out. So we were power washing the car and he says, you know what? This car’s got to burn. We got to burn the car. So my car disappears.

Now we find out the kid who did the shooting, he gets killed. So when he gets aired, he got killed. We went to California to lay low for a little bit while we were in California. That’s when Greg said, the coal mine, they’re going to kill you if you pull the captains like Jimmy Angelina. So we didn’t get called back for that because we was in California. But as soon as we came back, we sit down and Bob museum says, okay, this is what’s going on now. Make a choice. Now again, we’re not going to hold it against you if you don’t want to be involved.

But this is what’s going to happen. You’re going to either end up dead or you’re gonna go to jail for the rest of your life. Why? Well, we tried to hit Vic arena and he caught the move. The spot is spotted, Vic in Long island and Vic is at a light. The guy pulls up next to him, who was on the hit top guys, Vic turned and seen who it is. Why are these people in Long Island? Bad intentions. Now that’s the start of the whole war right there. Now there’s two factions. The arena faction, the Persigor faction.

The arena faction is loyal to Vic. And for all the soldiers in the family who are not happy with Carmine and they looking for a new regime, what was the reason they weren’t happy with Junior at that time? Well, I guess he. You know, I don’t know exactly what there is, but I guess they were sick of the Persigos having control of the family this long. I knew the answer to that. But I just wanted to ask you. Yeah, I mean, I was gone for a while, but it’s like this. You’re in a crime family. You’re doing 139 years.

Relinquish the power. Give it to the Next person, let the regime keep going, keep the borgata strong. And you know, it wasn’t Junior. No, no. He just wanted the control. Yes. Because he wants the money still. He wants this. And put his family in charge. Okay, I get that. He wanted. He wanted to keep it open until his son came home. Right. Okay, Alley boy. Yeah, Alley boy. And my gombata, by the way. Yeah. Nice guy. Nice guy. Well, you know, he was, he was. I got alonger with him, you know, the time that I spent with him.

And now this war starts and I was told you’re gonna ask to do things, and I understand if you don’t wanna, but this is what it is. So now I’m thinking, okay, the war starting, you know, I grew up around this. Now it’s my time to shine. I’ll show them what I can do. And Greg Skinia, Greg Scarpa Senior again, I watched this guy do things during the war that just didn’t make sense. But I feel, okay, this was a gangster. And now there’s no shooting in the beginning. The other families in the commission are involved and they’re trying to settle the beef with a no shooting role.

This lasts for a little bit. Now John Gotti sends a list to all his men and says, here’s a list of all the Colombo guys that I don’t want you doing business with. So now Greg Senior gets this list, writes John Gotti’s name on the bottom, sends it back. Okay? And now the other families know any minute there’s gonna be something going on. And the crew where we were on 13th Avenue was known as a very vicious crew. A lot of shooters came out of that crew. You know, I call it. You had Greg Scarpa Sr.

Greg Scarpa Jr. Joe Brewster, Carmine Sessa. Joe and Johnny Sapp. Kevin Garnotte had Mario Pelippi. You had so many different guys that come out of his crew, serious people that the other families knew that once this does jump off, this was going to be the more dominant of each faction. Because who would you rather have on a team? A team of businessmen that really don’t do street things or a team of people who are assassins? Learned, you know, taught from so called best. Yeah. And that’s why we dominated the war. We had a crew that would do whatever we needed to do because we thought that was the way.

We didn’t know that, you know, Greg, he was doing what he was doing. We knew he had some type of inside information, but we didn’t know it was actually the head case agent of the Colombo family. And how is that an advantage in the war? How did Greg give you an advantage in the war? It was a big advantage because when the shooting, when there was an attempt on his life, on Greg Scarper’s life. Right. And his daughter was in the car, grandkid was in the car, and he got blocked off and they tried to shoot him.

They didn’t succeed. And that set it off. That set the shooting war off, where Greg saw blood. After that, they tried to shoot him in front of his daughter. And. And that escalated into where we were told, kill anybody on site that had anything to do with the arena faction members, anybody with Arena. And there were safe houses. There would be a crew of guys in each safe house. Each safe house had stolen cars in the garages, tinted windows, weapons. I mean, whatever. You, you know, machine guns, short off shotguns, automatic weapons, pistols, bulletproof vests, walkie talkies.

In other words, this was reality. This was what. Not what they saw in the Godfather. No, this is the real. Yes, this is what we do. Exactly now, because now it’s not like you go in on a piece of work or a murder where you lure somebody in, you shoot them, and you go. This is your friends that know every move you make, know everything about you. They’re the ones coming after you. Reagan, let me ask you, how long did the war go on? From 91 to 92 was the major part of the war. How many guys got killed? Altogether, 12 guys were killed.

And there was dozens and dozens of dozens of attempted murders and shootouts. I mean, it was. Was a crazy time in the neighborhood, and it was mainly all over Brooklyn, a little bit on the island. There was. There was two or three murders on Long Island. The majority was in Brooklyn. Yeah. And because again, out of the five families, the Colombos, the Gambinos, the Bananos and the Lucchesis, they were all based out of Brooklyn. Right. Long Island. You had a couple of Colombo guys in Long island, which was your crew, and everybody from Long Island. Pickerina lived in Long Island.

Patty Amato lived in Long Island. But, you know, Queens, Brooklyn was the hub. Again, you had no Genovese guys in Brooklyn living there. You know, the west side guys. Right, whatever. The Colombo guy hung out in Manhattan. Yeah, I didn’t. There maybe one. Yeah. You know, so Brooklyn maturity took place because that’s where everybody. All the action was going. And Greg, again, he was. He was a special kind of person. So let me ask you, this was, to your knowledge, during that time, you probably didn’t know. But you saw something was up with Greg. Do you believe he was getting information from somewhere? I’m going to go into that.

Okay. Okay. There was times where it got so hot in the neighborhood because we knew everybody’s move and we didn’t know where people were hiding. Like, we didn’t go home. We were in safe houses where it was like being in prison. You’re eating in the house, you’re watching TV with guys, you’re cleaning weapons, you’re loading magazines, you’re getting. Make sure the vests are good, everything’s good. And once the spotters are out there driving around, get a call where somebody is, you get a beep, you call the number, they tell you where to go, and you just jump into the cars that are in the garage and you go do what you got to do and you come back home and you start eating again.

It’s like another day of business. It got to the point where you really couldn’t find anybody anymore. And Greg says, I gotta make a call to my girlfriend. And he would come back with addresses where these guys were hiding out at the time. You don’t know it’s the FBI giving it to him. You just, okay, he’s got a source. He’s got something. This is where the guy is. And these people were getting killed who were hiding out at these addresses. So in other words, we know now that Greg was getting information from Del Vecchio. Correct. Del Vecchio was telling him where these people are that eventually had to get killed.

Yes. Del Vecchio had to know what he was doing and why. He knew the war was going on 100%. So Del Vecchio was providing information to Greg Scarpa senior. Make that distinction. Greg Scarpa senior. So that he can go out and basically kill these guys. Correct. So Del Vecchio, in my mind, everybody’s mind, was in on the murders. Yes. And later on he got charged with four murders. Right. And then four more murders as bad acts I’ll get into afterwards. But at the time this is going on, so I need people to understand here we have an FBI agent that’s supposed to be neutral, investigating organized crime, period.

But he has a friend and a confidential informant because we didn’t know. Greg was working with him for a lot of years and he’s providing him information during a war that we’re now learning how it started to get people killed. So an FBI agent was an accomplice in murders? Yeah. An FBI agent was actually doing more than certain Persigo faction people who were convicted. Right. He was doing more than they were doing. So he was a corrupt bed agent 100. He lost his way a long time ago. And it’s again, it’s a touchy situation because in their mind, when you look back and you read through the documents through the years while you’re doing your bid, the ends justify the means in their.

In their eyes. Right. And then you say to yourself, well, what was the agent doing this for? Well, agents, no matter what, they want to make cases. Correct. They want to get convictions. And eventually that’s what this led to. Yes. So this was. People say, why did. What was it in it for him? Well, he’s an agent, wants to make cases, so he’s got an informant working with him committing murders that later he was going to prosecute. Yes. All right. Yeah. Basically, the end, a means to the end for them is let’s eradicate these people. Let them kill each other, because they’re not killing innocent people, even though some innocent people were killed accidentally.

Let us clean this up, and then we’ll send everybody to prison. And what Sticks. Sticks. What don’t. Don’t you know? We’re the government. We’re going to do this. And that’s what they did. And in the end, there was 12 people killed. How many people? Dozens of people wounded. And a lot of people were arrested and went to jail. Went to jail. And Michael Cesso was one of the guys that went to jail for this. And he’s in prison now 34 years for a murder that was done by Joseph Ambrosino. All right, so this is really important.

Do you know 100%, you know for a fact that Michael Cessa is now in prison for a crime he didn’t commit? He did not commit that murder. He did not. You know. You know this for a fact? 100%. How do you know it for a fact? From Joe Brains. And Joe Brains was the shooter. He was the guy that shot him. Yeah. And. And he told you he shot him. Yeah, because they found him not far from where Joe Brains lives, Joanna Bassino. And that. That was his bones to get straightened out when it was time to be made, that he proved himself.

Why do you think they implicated Michael Cessa in this? Well, I’ll tell you what happened, because basically, he was framed. Del Vecchio framed him. I wanted to. And they even tried to frame him before that. Now, during the war, there was a problem on Staten island where a hot dog guy was in front of Michael Cess fruit store. His brother had a Car lot across the street. And they had a fruit store on the other side. The hot dog guy was in the front and he said something bad to Michael’s mother. Now, during the war, we’re all loaded up, we get a call, come to the food store, there’s something going on.

Now we all go there, everybody’s armed. We find out that the hot dog guy disrespected Michael’s mother. So now Carmine Sessa wants to talk to the guy, Michael’s brother. Michael’s brother. Now. So now we all go there to Carlos. And when we go in there to talk to the guy, one of the workers picks up a crowbar and goes to hit, like raise it up to try to hit Carmine Cesar, Frankie Blue Eyes, Frankie Sparak, who at that time we did not know was working with the government also. Yes. And Frank Esparno killed this guy. Killed the hot dog guy? No, the mechanical picked up the crowbar.

Okay. And that guy gets killed. And that’s one of the murders. Later on, when I get convicted, it’s in there. And I’ll go into that also. So he gets killed. Within days, there’s a state case against Michael and all his brothers. They’re on the front page of the Staten island advance for the murder of this guy that none of them killed, none of them pulled the trigger, nothing. The four people that are indicted for this, that are innocent, Michael’s on bail. Now, his mother puts up the house to put him up to get him on bail.

Now remember, now he’s on bail. The war’s going on now. June 10th of 1992, I go to Joe Braines house and we’re there and we’re barbecuing in the backyard. And I’m gonna give you the quick version. The agent’s trying to arrest us. That day I got away on a motorcycle with a high speed chase into Jersey. Joe Brains gets arrested. Now, Joe Brains, his car was wired. Carmate in Brialde needed to borrow the car for a funeral. He didn’t go to a funeral. He took the car to the FBI and they wired it. Okay, so we’re driving around in this car and Joe Ampersino is talking about things he shouldn’t be.

The car’s bugged. Correct. And that’s where I’m on the tapes talking about stuff. Because he’s just yapping away. I’m eating pizza, we’re driving around. And a majority of the of the conversations is me. Yes, to them, that, that is, huh? Yeah. Just to drive and keep doing it. Now, did you get charged and later convicted as a result of these conversations? Yes. Yes. And not only did I get from the conversations, Conway Nimbriali testified against me, and Josephine Marsino testified against me, and Alan Katracci, one of Johnny Pate’s guys, testified against me. And the only evidence they had was their hearsay because, you know, their direct testimony and some of the conversations that Joel Braines was going through in the car.

Also, Joe Brains testified against Michael Cessa, and Carmen and Briali testified against Michael Cessa in the. In the main trial that he’s. The war trial. Now, when we were on the lam, when that came down, Michael had to go to court for the state case. Right. And he didn’t want his mother to lose the house because it was on bail. So for two hours, driving me and Larry, Larry Fiorenza, driving Michael to self surrender, we’re telling him, don’t do this. Let’s just wait, go on the lam, and we’ll make a deal for a plea bargain down the road.

Because again, things change. They don’t want to take people to trial. The trials will be over. And Michael knew at the time they were charging him with the murder of Coluccio, right? He knew that. No, he didn’t know. No, no, he was. He was out on bail for the murder of this guy. Michael Bulcock was. I forget his name, but he was the mechanic that got killed at the. Right, but when he was self surrendering, he was self surrendering on the federal case, right? Yeah, but it wasn’t. It was very vague. It was vague. So he didn’t know what they were locking him up with? No, we had no idea.

You just heard that there was an arrest warrant and they were looking for him. There was a complaint, and here’s how it read. And this is how I end up getting a break because of the Scarpa de Vecchio issue. I put this together afterwards, but at the time, the indictment was vague and it read to better the position in the Colombo family. The defendants, you know, my name, everybody conspired to murder arena faction members from June 91 to June 92. But I left it open like that. And that’s it. So now, okay, we have this charge, and then we get a second charge, which is collecting unlawful debts.

Again, just a time frame. No victims, no nothing. And a gun charge, which is a 924C gun charge, where it’s a consecutive charge onto you. Whatever, whatever time you get, you got to add 60 months on to it, and you can’t do it until it’s after the fact, right? All right, so now that’s the charges. Michael’s charged also with that under racketeering. Now we all get arrested. I tried to get out of the country. A mutual friend, Tony, he tried to get us out. And the plan there was to get us to Seattle. From Seattle, he was going to get us into Canada.

The Rizzuto family there was going to get his passports and go to Italy. And we were going to lay low in Italy. I never made it offering, Larry. He made it to Canada, he ends up getting caught. They got him there too. Yeah, and that’s a whole other story, right? So I’m driving Michael, I’m driving Michael. I’m saying, don’t do it, right? Don’t do this. I go, I gotta self surrender. I don’t want my mother to lose the house. I says, don’t do it. I drive him there, I drop him off, I don’t see him until I get arrested.

And we go to trial around the same time. He goes first, I go second. And there was 10 of us because they were breaking the trials up in groups of 10. And certain people were getting severed who had nothing to do with crimes, had nothing to do with the war. They got severed because it would hurt us, right? Like if Michael went to trial. We went to trial with Michael. We have the war, plus now we have. The jury’s gonna hear about Anthony Coluccio. So he got severed by himself. Eastern District, right? Eastern District of New York.

And we have this indictment where no matter the cameraman could have been sitting down there, he would have been convicted. Now we go to trial, Michael goes first, okay? It’s Michael on one trial. And it’s Vicarina and Patti Amato. They go to their trials, okay? They all get convicted. Agent De Vecchio, the head of the Colombo squad, he testified at Michael’s trial and Vic’s trial. But while he was testifying at Michael’s trial, he was asked certain questions because we were trying to figure out if other people in the neighborhood were bad. Because on the Title 3 affidavit, the warrant to get the bugs, it had confidential source 1, confidential source 2, confidential source 3, 4, all the way to 5.

So he was asking questions about the sources. Now when we look back that, back then, when we see this, DEO thought we knew about Greg Senior and they never brought him back again. And he purges himself. Do you do anything with informants? No, I never would do that. Would you help an informant ever do a Murder? No, I would never do that. So he was lying. So he was lying during Michael Cessa’s trial? Yes. And what was specifically, what was you lying about? The relationship of informants. And again, we didn’t know Greg’s status. Greg senior. So he was asked if he was.

If he got any. If he had a confidential informant involved in some capacity in the war. Yeah. And he kept saying, no, no, he lied about it. Lied 10 times. He lied about it. And Wiseman was the prosecutor. Andrew Weissman, George Dambolitis, they all were the prosecutors. But were they all. Well, Weisman was the lead prosecutor in the Cessa case. Yeah, he was the lead. The walk. The. The war was. The war trials were so big that they had a team of prosecutors. Right. And they’re all involved together. Valerie Caproni, Andrew Weissman, George Dembolitis, Mike Considine.

And. But I want to be clear, on Michael’s case, Andrew Weissman. Weissman was the lead prosecutor, and he was working. He was. Delvecchio was his case agent in the case. DelVecchio was C10 leader, the C10 squad leader. So he was questioning Del Vecchio about a confidential informant. Del Vecchio was lying, and Weissman knew he was lying. Weisman was sitting at the table lying. Michael’s lawyer was asking Agent De Vecchio the questions. Right. And he was lying. And after that, they must have thought, well, they know Greg’s working with the government, so we have to try to spin this.

And after that, they never brought Agent De Vecchio to testify against. In any of the other trials. No. Now when my trial goes up, they bring a guy, Agent Gabriel. Everybody sees him. He’s the one who put the handcuffs on John Gotti, the muscular. Yeah, I know. He comes in and now our lawyers are asking him, understand, why are you here? Where’s this Colombo case agent? Where’s Del Bacchio? Yeah, where’s the Colombo’s case agent? Why are you here? He says, well, I’m here just to talk about the structure of organized crime. So now at that table, our prosecutor team, Valerie Caproni, George Dambolitis, Mike Considine, they’re all there.

And you would see Andrew Weissman sitting down, John Gleason sitting down. It was all a pack back then. And I just want to say one thing. The reason they don’t want to bring Del Vecchio back, because he didn’t want to disclose the fact that he was working with Greg Scarpa. No. And giving this information, he didn’t want to have to be under cross examination. Right. To expose that we might know. Right. Because now we find out later on, everybody in the Eastern District of New York, from the judges to the prosecutors, all knew about Greg Scarper, about us.

We didn’t even know. We didn’t know when we were throwing the war. It came out one time that Greg Scarper’s seniors cooperating. He got so infuriated, he wanted to kill the reporter that wrote it. And his mother. They couldn’t find him. All right, I’ll be clear in this again. So it started, it came out during the trials that Greg was actually cooperating with the government. No, during the war. When did it come out? During the war. There was an article. It was an article that. During the war, that day we were going to hunt other people.

And it came out that morning in the Daily News that Greg was working. Postal Daily News, I think it was. And, you know, we all reading it in shock because we watched this guy in action. And if he’s working with the government, we are through. We’re never gonna be seen again if we ever get caught because he’s so active in the war. Did you believe it at the time? No, because he killed someone in front of everybody right after that. So, you know, in the life, if you’re working with somebody, you just did this how you cooperate.

Right. It’s not allowed. And that’s how. So nobody believed it. They wrote a story about it, but nobody believed it. No, nobody believed it. Because what he did right after. And he continued to kill after that. So now during the trial, they bring. Again, because people don’t believe this. He was killing people. Yes. Working for the FBI. Yes. Even though they, you know, there might have been a friendly relationship going way back. Delvecchio was still an FBI agent. Yes. And he knew that Greg Scarpa was killing people. Yes. And he allowed it to happen. Yes. While Greg was killing people.

And then telling agents in 302 reports, it wasn’t. It was this guy. It was this guy. It was that guy. He wasn’t saying it was him. He was blaming other people. And now on one of the killings, a couple other agents came forward because they knew something was wrong. They knew Greg was active and a murder took place. And the agent slapped his hand on the table and said, de Vecchio, we’re gonna win this thing. And one of the agents testified later on that at that point he knew De Vecchio and Greg was corrupt. So it was agents that actually exposed the relationship between Del Vecchio well, it’s not that they expose it.

We’re getting this information later on, but the pieces are all there to the lie that started with the war trials and this kept lying more to cover that lie, lying more to cover this lie. And it just goes out of control. So now we’re all convicted. Now it’s time we go to prison. I get sent to Lewisburg. In Lewisburg, Alphonse Persicles trial comes up. Okay. In that trial, information came out about Greg and De Vecchio and Greg Scarpecini gave like a deathbed confession that he did. This alley boy didn’t do nothing. He was all Greg. And basically it was almost exposing the relationship.

And with that information, the relationship between him and Del Vacu. Yes. And Alphonse Persicle got acquitted in that case. In that case, yeah. The next three trials of all, while Bill. While Bill Decertolo, all his crew. Yeah. They all got acquitted. Now, now, again, they got acquitted because the relationship between Del Vecchio and Scarpa was exposed. Yes. And that’s why they all got acquitted. Yes. Now the first trials where we didn’t have the information, we were all convicted. Convicted fast. Within an hour we were convicted. I didn’t even get time to eat my sandwich. I went down to the bullpen, they’re deliberating.

I took a bite. Oh, they got a verdict. Bad news. Yeah. And it was before Christmas. So fast. So now we’re all convicted. The next trial that goes gets convicted. The next trial is Chucky Russo, Jojo Russo, Richie Fosco, Larry Fiorenza, Bobby Zam, maybe one or two, Joe Monte and maybe one other person, they get convicted. Now, out of the total Colombo war of the Persico factions, I just named who did not have this information. The next people who did all were acquitted by 48 different jurors, four different judges. And the information being again, the relationship between Delvecchio.

Correct. And Scarpa. So now I told you how the indictment was written. Very vague. Now we get convicted. During the whole trial, Judge Glasser is sitting at the bench, Valerie Caproni sitting at the front. Prosecutors and desk with all different prosecutors. And during the whole trial they’re hearing about Greg Scarpa senior, did this killing, did that killing, did this one, did that one. Now we get convicted. The prosecutors have the probation department do the dirty work. Now. Now I get my pre sentence report back. My presentence report comes back level 43, which in the federal sentencing guidelines is life parole.

Yeah, you release upon death. That’s Rod. Release upon death. In my presents report, there’s two murders, 19 attempted murders. This should have been in my indictment. Do you see now? Yeah, yeah. Now do you see what this is? This is it right there. How the government did this by a fault, like a manipulative indictment. Didn’t put it in the indictment because then it would have came out about Greg even sooner. Now they have the probation department doing the dirty work. So now I have a level 43 for that mechanic that was killed by Frankie Spirocco. And I have level 43 for Nikki Black.

Nikki Grazio. Okay, where? That day there was so much heat in the neighborhood, Greg called Avechio. We find this out later, and De Vecchio called. When I say heat, meaning the law enforcement is so, you know, blanketed in the neighborhood, you can’t do nothing. Greg called Avecchio and said, you got to get these agents out of here. They’re following my guys around. And we knew they were because during the war they needed more agents. So they had all these different cars with out of state plates following us. So we knew right away that this is an agent who’s from North Carolina following us.

We knew they were agents. Revecchio ends up calling an emergency meeting, calls the whole squads back to the headquarters. When he does that, not even within the hour, Nikki Grazio is sitting in his car with Joseph Tolino. He ends up getting killed. He got killed. Yeah. Okay. Now there was certain people on that hit and backup shooters and, you know, like a regular hit. Yeah, there’s four different cars of, you know, that’s backup just in case, plus a crash car in case the law enforcement does come. You have somebody had the crash. Okay, so they get killed.

Nikki Black gets killed. The other one gets wounded right there. DEO took all these agents off of surveillance, and Nikki Black gets killed within an hour or so. Yes, yes. So now I have that murder in my PSI level 43 with the other one. And then I have 19 attempted murders. How much time do you end up doing? Okay, now I come back, level 43, which is life on parole. Now you’re sitting in your cell and you’re like, what happened here? And you’re trying to figure things out. We’re going to have a sentencing hearing before we go up to the.

To the judge’s chambers or at the courtroom. You’re in the bullpen downstairs. My lawyer pulls me out and says, I got great news. I go, what? He goes, the government agreed. Instead of giving you life, you could sign a paper and you can get 35 years plus 60 months for the gun that I never was caught with. And I ended up two months ago getting that charge vacated finally, because it was an illegal charge, just to get it off my record. So I’m doing the math. I’m doing 35 years, 60 months running wild. I’ll be out.

I’ll be 53, 52. It sounds good, you know, from life to that. At least I’ll be on my 50s. So it was good. So he goes, you have until tomorrow to make a decision. We go upstairs now to the judge’s chambers. I mean, to the judge’s courtroom. And Judge Glasser hears. They want to give me the 35 years with the five years running wild. And he said, my client is considering it. He takes the indictment, picks it up. Valerie Caproni, George Dambolitis Wiseman. Was he there? He might have been there that day. I don’t know if Glees, they always were in a clique, right? He throws the indictment down and says, for a choice of better words, the way this indictment is written is faulty and manipulative.

I’m downly departing the defendants from life level 43 to level 28. So now I’m doing the math in my head again. Level 28, you know, that’s eight years. And now I go back to MCC that day, and I’m still, like, wondering, what just happened here? Why did this judge go and do this? Later on, we find out George Glasser knew about the relationship between De Vecchio and scarpa in a 1986 credit card case. And he was told about the relationship of Greg being an informant. He sat at a trial hearing. Greg. Greg Scarpa Sr. Did this, shooting, that murder, this, meanwhile, this is an informant.

So I’m thinking on his conscience, he did that to put it in Andrew Weissman, Valerie Caproni’s face that I’m not doing this to these guys because you’re taunt. You’re webbing me into this lie. In other words, what he was saying is that this information that Greg Scarpel was working with the government way back when should have been disclosed to the defendants at trial. Well, it was discovery material. Exactly. It should have been disclosed, but at the time, it didn’t come out yet. Right, but he knew. He knew, he knew and he saw. And Michael was already convicted.

He was convicted, too. Yeah, he was convicted. He had Judge Weinstein. Right. And I had George Glasser, normally a good Judge. Weinstein. Yes. Yeah. And George Glasser did this. And again, that day, I was in mcc that, that morning. Now, you because we really had a war with each other. We were on set for Marina faction, guys. But I ended up on the floor was me Vicarina, Patti Amato and Larry Mazza. Larry. Yeah. And that day I was going for the sentencing hearing. I came back and I went to the cell. I said, you’re never going to believe what happened.

They wanted to give me 35 years with five years running wild. And I was considering it. And then the judge said, the indictment’s manipulative, faulty, threw it, and I’m down to level 28. Vicarina and Patty Marty almost had tears in their eyes because they said I was getting my lights knocked out at a young age. And this judge went and did this. Judge Glass, I have a lot of respect for him. Brilliant man. I was in front of him three times in my life. You know, he knows me since I’m a kid. And after that, he was never in front of a Colombo or trial again.

The next. They had all different judges for. They didn’t have Weinstein come back or Judge Glasser. They got other judges involved, the prosecutors, because they all worked together. Yeah. Okay. Now I go. They recommend to me to get put with my father because my father and your father, they were like. Like I was with your father. You know, he taught me how to play pinochle. We played pinochle, and we were in Otisville together. And your father and my father were like in a race of who’s going to do more time. My father, he ends up doing 52 years.

In the end, he beat him. He beat my dad. He ends up doing 52 years, you know, on three different bids. And we put a motion in for me to go to the same prison with my father. Valerie Caproni stopped it. I went right to Lewisburg. They did the same thing with me with my dad. I went right to Louisbourg. I figured, I’m calling my father now. He’s been in jail my whole life. I’ll hang out with him for 13 years. And I went right to Louisburg Penitentiary. I was the youngest guy in the prison. And now we put an appeal and it comes out Greg Scarpa De Vecchio were working together.

So now I’m like, okay, we’ll be home by Christmas. How long after Michael was convicted that this information came out? Michael got convicted of November 1992. I got convicted December of 1992. Piccarina and Patiomano. They were convicted, like right around the same time. And this came out about a year and a half after that. And then the other war Trial started getting acquittals. And when that started happening, I said, there’s no way we’re going to stay in prison. I said, I’ll be home for Christmas. I started running around the track, jogging every day, trying to lose weight.

I’m going to be home. We put a motion in. Judge Glasser doesn’t answer the motion until 1999. And basically what he said, you know what you did, you got your break. Be happy, you’re getting out. And that’s what, you know, that’s how I kept it. I kept it like that. So now this is coming out, I’m saying to myself, we’re going to be let out. We’re going to win an appeal. We’re going to put motion in. So he waited until 1999 to add some. But again, we’re out. But now, while you’re in jail, you’re putting the pieces together of a puzzle that started 34 years ago and it’s still to this day being placed in place.

And I’ll go into that. So we’re in. We’re in our prison. I’m in Lewisburg. It’s 1996. I end up in the hole. There was a little inter altercation with the skinheads. One skinhead was becoming a Muslim, so the skinheads had to kill him before the Juma prayer. So they end up getting this guy, decapitating him literally, and kill him. They end up finding a knife in my cell when they did the shakedown after that took place. So I didn’t even know it was in my cell. It was in my sink with the dental floors tied down into the drain.

I didn’t know, but they killed this guy and they found the knife in my cell. So I go to the hole. While I’m in the hole, Nikki decarlo’s in the hall. Nikki decarlo, his sister is married to one of Greg Scarborough Juniors co defendants. And he sent me a kite, which is a note that is, you know, under the door, the line. I fish it in with my little dental floss and I pull it in and I read. It goes, go to rec. So now I’m in a lockdown unit in the hole with all the Marilitos that Castro sent over.

It was a G called G Block in Lewisburg. So we’re in the cages, all the Mary Litos are there, Nikki’s there, and he says, listen, tell your family. I just got word from Greg Jr. Not to fly on TWA. I was like, all right, I’ll tell him. Do not Let anybody get on a plane, let them drive, don’t go nowhere. I said, okay. Now, finally, I stay in the hole for, like, six months for that one. I get. I get out, I tell my sister I’m eating a chicken wing. Don’t fly nowhere. You know, this is.

You know, this is what I heard. They think I’m crazy. Sure enough, TWA crashes, gets taken down. Okay? So now I’m like, okay, so this is. This was credible message. Now we’re in a prison. We end up bribing the staff there for food and people having kids, smuggling out sperm kits. And it became wild in this one prison. We all get locked up and put in the hole. Now we’re in the hole. I go in the hole in the beginning of 2000. While I’m in the hole, it’s still 2001. Because I was three years in the hole in 2001.

I find out, like, three weeks after the fact, 911 happens, okay, planes. Now, right after that, there’s another plane that gets taken down going to DOMINICAN REPUBLIC After 9 11, about a month later, and I’m in the hole. But I find out right away about that one. Now I’m in the hole for three years. The warden, Susan Golinski, kept me in her dungeon because I bribed the staff and we were eating. We didn’t get anything bad. We got food in. Yeah. But we made a circus of the prison, you know, and it’s a long story. I get all in the hole for three years, then I get put on Conair for four months.

Conair? You’re chained down diesel debris? Well, no, this is jet fuel therapy. I’m beyond diesel therapy. I’m on the plane for four months straight. I fly around the country. They bring me back to Oklahoma. The Slinky comes out. I walk out, go into the prison, go to the hole. The next day, wake up, go back on the plane and do it again. I did that for four months. I was praying for the plane to crash, just to get off. I know the feelings, because you know what it is? The pilots are military pilots. They used to fly in.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You’re in a jet plane, a passenger jet plane, chained up, and we’re going straight up into the sky like a rocket. And you realize what a jet plane can actually do. Before I got. No, forget I wanted to. I was on that plane. I went into the bathroom to. You know, it came back and hit me in the face. It’s like it went right out into the air and came right back and Hit you in the face. I was in the hole for three years, and then I got put on this plane for four months.

Monday through Friday, I would be on the plane. And then Saturday, from Friday to Monday morning. Yeah. And while I’m in there, I’m on the plane. One day I get on. Remember I told you the skinhead that took the guy’s head off? He’s on the plane. You couldn’t miss him. He had big tattoo, M, A D in block letters, Mad on his head. So I see him, I’m chained up like, hey, what’s going on, Mad? Haven’t seen you since that situation. He goes, you’re never gonna guess what happened. I said, what? He goes, you know the guy Darby used to do arts and crafts with making ceramic.

I said, yeah, he was one of the main witnesses against me. He seen me throw the knives and the bloody clothes out one of the cell windows. He was looking out of his cell at the time and saw where it came out of. When they took the guy’s head off, he goes, he was in Boston at a concert, and the pyrotechnic from the stage, the fire blew the place up, and everybody burnt up in there. And he was one of the guys. So they were making a deal with this guy mad to take five or 10 years for that murder.

And I’m on my way to Terminal island, okay? Now I get to Terminal island. Now, I’ve been in the east coast prison my whole life, and I get there. Now I’m there, I’m getting to when I get there, when I actually walk in. But right before that, all the stuff is coming out about Craig Jr. Now and the terrorists. You heard it in there. Yes, it’s coming out about that and the terrorists and now how they’re not making him credible because it’s going to let out certain mobsters from the war. I fall under that category because I was part of the first four trials that didn’t have the information.

If they made Greg credible, we would all get released instantly. And that’s what the prosecutors didn’t want to let us out. So they didn’t make him credible because it would have unraveled their life. In the beginning, they all were awarded. Who became judges after that, who became the head of the DoJ, who became chief counsel to the president. You know who. When George Thumbelaidis got appointed for, when they took down Enron, he was in charge of all the money. Of course, Andrew Weisman put him there. And this is such a touchy situation where you’re afraid to talk about it.

But, but enough is enough now because all these years, 34 years, Michael’s the only persigor guy left in prison. We’re all out, you know, and he needs Michael Sessa. Michael Cesa. Yeah. He’s the only one left in prison. And he, you know, it’s an atrocity because stuff like this happened in Boston with Whitey Bulger and his agent. Yeah. But I want to, I want to make this point again. You know for a fact that the murder that Michael was charged with, he didn’t commit. He’s 100 innocent. He did not shoot the guy. He didn’t shoot the guy.

And you know who did? Yeah. And he confessed it to you. Yeah, because that was his. That was his bones to get straightened. He was mating in the nose. You get straightened out, you got to allegedly kill somebody. And he did it. Yes, yes. And you believe or you know, through all your experience, because you were there from day one, that the prosecution and Del Vecchio worked together. They covered up this information about Greg Scarpa Senior, that he was working with the FBI with this corrupt agent. The corrupt agent was giving him information during the war to kill people on the opposition, the opposing side.

It became obvious at some point. And now you tie in Greg Scarpa Jr. Who had information about terrorists that eventually blew up the World Trade Center. Correct. With planes and going into the Pentagon and World Trade Center. And they sat on that information not to expose the corrupt agent Del Vecchio. To let us out. To let you guys out. So they sacrificed innocent people. People in. One of them being my daughter’s, my. My son in law’s father who died in, in that, in that building. And they sacrificed human lives knowing that they had terrorists given good information from a mob guy that they want to destroy all the time.

And they allowed this to happen. Correct. And now they’re keeping Michael Cessa in jail for the same reason. Yes, because they don’t want to make it even worse. Even though Del Vecchio was already charged with four murders and then four murders after that. And De Vecchio, he was charged with four murders plus four more murders as bad acts. And he chose trial by judge by judge by judge who had they. They set up and they granted him immunity. And in the history of the FBI till this day, in the entire history of the FBI, he’s the only one that ever got charged with murder.

Yes. He testified against Michael and perjured himself 10 times. And he’s out, not held accountable, out walking around. Freezer Bird. And that other, I have to say it, Garbage pail. Degenerate piece of garbage. Wiseman. Who framed people at will. Who framed. Who tried unsuccessfully to frame President Trump in that whole nonsense, you know, Mueller investigation. They found out none. They made him because they know his history. Yes. He doesn’t care who he prosecutes. He doesn’t care if you’re innocent, guilty or whatever. He destroyed people in Enron. He brought down Arthur Anderson, that whole accounting firm for no reason.

Bad, bad guy. And these are the two guys at the center of Michael Cess’s case. And that’s the only reason he’s in prison. Because had that information come out like it came out for all those other guys, he wouldn’t be there. No, I wouldn’t listen. I was no angel. Michael’s no angel. The way. Neither was I. The way the indictment was written, we shouldn’t be convicted. Convicted because we shouldn’t have. It was. It’s fruit from a poisonous tree, they call it in their legal terms, the COVID up with the agent and Greg Scarper Sr. Right there alone should give Michael a reversal for a new trial.

This guy’s rotting away for 34 years in jail. When he puts appeals in and motions in, they don’t even want to give an opinion on somebody. No. And it’s all to cover up the corruption between Del Vecchio and Wiseman. Just as bad or worse because he’s a prosecutor that was suborning perjury from Del Vecchio and knew about it and knew about it and knew that he was an accomplice in murder. Yes. You know, and it all ties in between what Greg Scarper Jr. Had told me prior to this. Sit down. And now what you’re telling me, it all ties in and we.

It’s unbelievable. People don’t believe this, Frankie, but it’s how bad they are. That’s why, you know, it’s a touchy topic to bring up because who knows how much higher it really is in the government that they’re going to this length to cover up something that. A lie they started 34 years ago to till this day spiral out of control and still cover it up. Because they don’t want convictions to untwine because again, somebody tells a lie, they have to tell another lie, another lie to keep that lie going. But even after all this time, give the guy a break.

He did 34 years. He would sign a thing that he will not sue. Yeah, just let him out. Let him out. Listen. Well, we’re working on It Carmine Sessa, he cooperated. He admitted. He admitted his brother and his brother could have got him out. He. Carmines admitted to 15 murders. Joe Brains, he did about four or five months in prison. How many murders did he admit to? Who knows? Just one. One. Conman Reali. He did time served. These are the guys that testified against Michael. He’s 34 years in prison. Even with the way the laws change now for the capacity and release and the Second Step act, they don’t even want to give him that.

Other Colombo guys got out like the last two was Chucky Russo and Joe Monteleone. Is Chucky still alive? Yeah. Yeah. And again, Chucky had two murders. Joe Monte had two murders. He was a model prisoner. Michael just has the Anthony Coluccio murder. He’s not on one tape at all. The tapes that from the title, Three Bugs and everything. He’s not on one conversation on the phone or a car, anywhere. Nothing. This was just Del Vecchio’s word that basically got him convicted. The Vecchio. And again, there’s tapes of where Carmen Imbriali, who. Who he was convicted of sodomy.

He had a drug charge. So he had. And. And Wiseman covered that up. Yes. None of that was disclosed at trial. And that was 3,500 material that had to be handed over in discovery. And we. We didn’t get it either. They held it against us because common in reality testified against us too. We should have had that information. You know, it sheds light on the witness. Now to the jurors. So the bus. You know, here’s how the juror thinks. These guys are here. They’re guilty. Yeah. Because the government would never do this. Well, now they know better.

I think people listen anyway I want to. I mean, this doesn’t end here. We’re going to take this all the way because this Wiseman and D. Vecchio, you can’t just do this in life and walk away unaccountable to anything. You can’t. But I have to end it on a. On a funny note, you went to Terminal island afterwards. Yes. Let me tell you how that is. Well, I spent three years there. Okay. And you happened to go to my cellmate, Rosario Gambino. Yeah. And I had left some things behind when I got released. Yes. Now, would you stand up for a minute? Just for one minute, I could be able to get back on this chair.

Well, you can see Frankie his size, Right? All right, tell us what happened when you saw Rosario. Okay, so now I remember. Now I’m in the Hole for three years. I’m on a Con Air for four months. I’m in San Pedro County Jail, right? I’m in Terminal island hole for six months. And now I get put on a compound in the south yard. Yeah. No, no, I don’t go to the south yard. You didn’t go. You were in the north yard. Yeah, I’m in. I’m in first. I’m in, you know, the beginning. Right, Right in the beginning.

So I come out of the hole, and as soon as I come out of the hole, I’m surrounded by the abs. Like, okay, listen, we got stuff for you. Our TV room is here. We’re gonna do here. We go to eat here. We work out in the morning here. I go. I go, listen, I’m Italian, from New York. Where are the Italians in this place? He goes, it’s us two. I go, who? He goes, Rainey Picaretto, who’s the boss of Rochester family, who almost 90 at the time. And Rosario Gambino. I said, oh, where are they? They go, south yard.

I said, all right, thanks, fellas. So I leave the ABS now. I go to the south yard and I meet them. They’re the only two Italians in the prison. I’m the third one. So I get there the next day, I meet Sal, and he has a bag of stuff. He says, frankie, I’ve been holding this for a Colombo. For a Colombo guy to come here. I have Donny Shack stuff and Michael Francis stuff. This is yours. I feel like I was. It was like. Like he was the curator of a will. All right, so now he hands me this bag.

It’s a. It’s a. It’s a tracksuit. Did you try it on when you got it? Listen, I’ll tell you the story with the tracksuit. I liked it because I haven’t seen a tracksuit like this in a long time. There’s a radio and there’s glasses, like Carrera glasses, sunglasses. So I have the stuff. I feel like I just was named in the will. And I got the Colombo stuff from you, and Donnie shocks. So now I go to my cell and I try to get me pulled to the south yard. So I went from north yard. I get pulled to the south yard.

And again, after being in the hole all these times, the south yard, it was like you were free. Listen to that. Yeah, I couldn’t believe it. You know, I’m looking at girls in Jet Skis just driving by like little cruise ships going through. Did you see the wave? Every time girls came by in A boat. Every wave of inmates going to the gate, watch them. And they would wave and take their baby. Yes, yes. They would take their tops down and, you know, you never saw a seal up close, Right? So, you know when you walk in the yard of Terminal island, here’s the gate, and then there’s the rocks and the waters right there.

Yeah. And I saw a seal, and then I seen another one. And then I went out there the next morning. There was hundreds of them barking. It became nice until it’s a place to do time. Listen, it’s 90 and sunny. You got all the water around you. You have the helicopter school right there. So you’re watching people learn how to drive a. Fly. A helicopter. So now I have your stuff. I go to my cell. I’m in. I’m in the cell with a Mexican guy. It’s a Cario, one of the cartels. I put on the tracksuit.

I squeezed into it. I turned the tracksuit into, like, Spandex. And he goes, homie. I go, what? He goes, too tight. You can’t wear that on the compound. I said, I know, I know. I’m gonna get into this. I gotta start losing weight. But it was funny because I got your stuff and. And you still have it. No. What year did you leave Terminal Island? I left there in 89. Okay. I get to Terminal island in 2003. He’s holding it that long now. When did Donny Shax leave? Donnie? He left. He left after me. Because he got in there after me and left after me.

Probably 96, 97. Okay. So Rosanne was holding this stuff all these years for a Colombo to go to Terminal island, and that’s how I ended up with your stuff. And I went home for. I ended up going home from Terminal Island. You bring her with you? No, I left the stuff there. Well, listen, they could have given it to a better guy, put it that way. And Rosario, they shipped him out. They deported him anyway, you know, back on a serious note. Look, I. I really appreciate you sitting down. You shed light on this. Never been shed before.

I don’t think anybody’s ever talked about it. Between you and Greg Scarper Jr. And. And what you had to say and what he had to say. This is. It’s a horrible situation. Unfortunately, the only one that should be benefiting from it now is Michael Cesser, because everybody else either did their time, passed away or whatever, and this is all because of a corrupt dog of an agent. And I have to say it, Linda Vecchio and an even worse person in Weissman, the prosecutor who as we know, went after Trump with a vengeance, bad guy. So we’re going to see what we can do to bring light to this and help Michael out.

Not because of friendship or anything else, because the right thing to do. Right thing to do. And I appreciate it. And we’re probably going to do this again. I’m going to sit down with Gregory Jr. Again and maybe sit down and follow this up. But I have a plan after this. And by the way, I have these papers here. I haven’t picked them up, but this is absolute verification that everything that Greg Scarpa told me, Greg Scarpa Jr. Told me earlier, 100% fact. And nobody promised you anything. What’s your reasoning? Do you have anything to gain out of this? You said, as a matter of fact, you were concerned if this was, if this was during the Biden administration, with that corrupt bunch of.

From Biden on down, I wouldn’t have asked you to come here because they would have been at your door the next day because they were the ones that started the law fair and put all the Trump’s people away and went after Trump and God knows what else they did. But I don’t think you have to worry about it at this moment. And I mean that. And if I thought you were being jeopardized in any way, either you or Greg Jr. I wouldn’t have asked you to come on. But I appreciate it. I am doing this in a way for Michael because he deserves to be out of prison.

He doesn’t deserve to be there. He does. And we’re going to take it as far as we possibly can. And just to show you how serious that the situation is, while I was in prison back in 1998, I wrote the whole TV series about Greg Scarpa, starting from the civil rights all the way up until the war. It was 800 pages. And I wrote it for Dick Wolf. Yeah. Dick Wolfe, big producer. I’m gonna tell you. Showrunner. Yeah. Okay. There was a show called Texas Walker Ranger on TV with Chuck Norris. Yeah. A friend of mine, Joel Constantino, says, listen, Dick Wolf needs a show.

Finish your story. We’ll put it to them and we’ll try to get it made. I said, okay. Before they can have the meetings, I end up going to the hall for three years. And the meeting stopped. When I came home, Joe Constantino got in touch with me and said, do you want to do anything? I said, you know what? This situation, it’s not ready to come out yet. Let me put it in the closet. So it’s been in the closet since 1998. 800 pages series of this. Of an actual participant wrote the series. And, you know, it’s a story that needs to be told.

You know, again, the main thing, his focus is Michael, but there’s nobody really left. Everybody that was involved in the war, they’re pretty much dead. It’s me and a couple of the guys left who were affected by that relationship of the war trials, who went to trial and were denied the Agent De Vecchio and Scarpa Senior information. And basically, you’re doing this just because it’s the right thing to do. Yes. Period. It’s in order. Because of the administration that’s out now. It needs to come out now. Now’s the time. Because this person who started this lie back 34 years ago, it’s still doing it today.

Yeah, Wiseman, I heard he’s a professor teaching kids how to be as corrupt as him. Bad guy. Very bad guy. Bad guy. And I will do just bad guy. I will do whatever I can, you know, to expose him even further. And I hope Trump sees this and realizes what a bad, horrible injustice is done here. Guys are in prison for no reason. And it wasn’t that, you know, I committed a murder. I didn’t enough time. He didn’t commit the murder, period. He was framed. Yes. And the guy doesn’t belong there. No. And it just shows you the corrupt agent, Greg Scarpa, the government, Greg Junior’s information on the terrorists, covering up the life from back then.

Yeah. Things could have been avoided and handled right. And I want people to understand this. We’re not covering for a former friend or associate that I had. He committed a murder. He did enough time. He didn’t commit the murder. No. You have proof of that? The murderer told you who he told you. He admitted to doing it. That was his bones. And the nypd, when they did an investigation on Kalucho’s killing, they named 12 or 15 guys. They did not name Michael Susser as a suspect. So it’s even more proof. And I have all the documentation here.

So we’re doing this because the man was framed, doesn’t belong in prison, and because of a corrupt agent and a corrupt prosecutor. He’s done all of this time, and he deserves to have his life back. And we’re going to continue with it. Yeah. Frankie, thank you. Oh, and by the way, there’s a rumor out there that the best bagels in town are at your place. Soon. Soon. Yeah. Yeah. Did you open up yet? No, I’m opening next month. Are you going to send me some. I’m going to send you bagels. I’m going to send you shirts.

I’m going to send you everything. You do that, and I’ll send you some wine out of that and some pizza. You know, pizza, you know, about. About. Yeah, and maybe some coffee now, too. I’m in the coffee. The coffee business. Yes. Perfect. All right. Yes. Thank you, Michael. Thank you. All right, people. Well, there you have it. You know, all I can tell you is this. These people that get away with destroying lives, we have to hold them accountable. We can’t allow it. You can’t allow people in government to break the law consistently to go after who they claim to be or want to be the law breakers.

We can’t allow it. That’s when the entire system falls down. We can’t allow lawfare. We can’t allow prosecutors to lie. We can’t allow FBI agents to be accomplices to people on the street and commit murder. We can’t allow these things to happen. We just can’t. You know, we have a bad prosecutor here in Andrew Weissman, a bad guy, and he needs to be held accountable. And I have a friend that’s doing 34 years in prison as a result of his prosecutorial misconduct. Him and an FBI agent that’s been proven to be, you know, involved in tremendous misconduct.

He was indicted in four murders. We can’t allow this to happen. These people have to be held accountable. And I’m going to continue to do my work. And like I said, people, I research this. I don’t just throw it up there. I can support and back up everything that I’m saying. It’s public record, most of it. So I’m not revealing anything that hasn’t been revealed already. I’m getting into more detail, and I’m bringing witnesses forward that can hold them accountable. So we have to do our work in this, people. It’s. It’s of major importance. You know, we talk about protecting democracy and all of that.

Well, this is the way to protect it by holding those in power accountable for their misdeeds and their misactions. So I hope you understand what I’m doing with this. And yeah, you know, I have a personal interest in this. A guy whose family was destroyed because he was wrongly convicted because of bad prosecutorial misconduct, lies, cover ups, suborning perjury, the whole bit. And yeah, he doesn’t deserve to be in prison. I want to see him home. And I really hope it Gets to the right people, you know, so that he can’t come home and this prosecutor doesn’t gain.

This is 34 years. It’s horrible what happened here. So I hope you know where I’m coming from on this, and I’m very sincere in what I’m doing here. And I have a. I have a reason. It’s hard for me to sit back and accept the fact that the government can become criminals in order to go after who they claim to be criminals. Do it the right way. You got all the tools, all the power. You got everything in your favor at your fingertips. If you can’t get somebody the right way, well, then you don’t deserve to do it.

You got everything in your favor. You got the money, the power, the laws, the manpower, everything. Do it right. And don’t go after people because they don’t agree with you or because they can further your career or whatever. It’s wrong. And we have to hold these people accountable. Well, my friends, that’s it for today. How do I always leave you? Same way. Be safe, be healthy. And yes, God bless each and every one of you. Your families, your friends, your neighborhood, your communities and people. God bless America. We need God’s blessing, and everybody does, but, you know, these are tough times we’re going through, and I hope God is really, really shining his favor on this country right now.

See you next time and see you for my birthday, May 27th. Take care.
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