ESOTERIC CONTROL w/ Jules (Grey Pilled Podcast)

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➡ The text discusses the speaker’s journey through addiction, hitting rock bottom, and facing personal demons. It highlights the struggle of overcoming addiction and the potential for personal growth and spiritual awakening that can come from such experiences. The speaker also shares personal stories about his life, including a near-death experience and his exploration of spirituality and symbolism.
➡ The text discusses various conspiracy theories and beliefs, including the existence of celebrity clones, the theory of evolution, and the Law of Attraction. The speaker also talks about the influence of music and its connection to emotions and energy. They mention the impact of societal changes on the interpretation of music and the importance of maintaining a healthy mental state. Lastly, they touch on the idea of hidden meanings in popular culture, such as movies.
➡ The speaker discusses various topics, including the concept of karma and how it influences actions, the idea of absolution in Catholicism, and the potential moral implications of enjoying violent acts. They also touch on the influence of Jesuits in academia and society, suggesting that most people are indirectly shaped by the Jesuit system through education. The speaker concludes by mentioning their various projects and collaborations.
➡ The speaker hosts a show called Rustic Gods, where they discuss Greek gods from a Hellenistic pagan perspective. They also have other shows and projects, including an esoteric book review on Patreon and a debate show. They’ve recently analyzed Twin Peaks and are planning to do more solo deep dives. To support their work, people can subscribe to their Patreon, follow them on social media, or purchase merchandise from paranoidamerican.com.
➡ The speaker shares his journey of self-discovery, starting from believing he was Jewish due to his family’s history, to finding out through DNA tests that he’s actually of Northwest European descent. He also talks about his experiences growing up, including attending an all-black school, dabbling in the drug game, and being a rapper. He then discusses his spiritual journey, which led him from atheism to Christianity, and his exploration of ancient symbolism, mystery schools, and esoteric teachings. He concludes by sharing his controversial belief that Christ was a mystic who learned from various mystery schools during his missing years.
➡ The speaker discusses their spiritual journey, exploring different religious beliefs and practices. They identify as a follower of Christ, but also express interest in Babylonian and Sumerian gods, Druidism, and esoteric Christianity. They believe that religious texts can be interpreted in multiple ways and that they may contain both symbolic and literal truths. The speaker also questions traditional Christian practices, such as celebrating Christmas on December 25th, suggesting it might be tied to the winter solstice instead.
➡ The text is a conversation between two individuals discussing various topics, including their heritage, Freemasonry, Christian mystery schools, and their interest in esotericism. They also talk about their travel plans and the importance of understanding their own country’s history. The conversation also touches on their involvement in a Patreon group that reviews books and their personal reading habits.
➡ The speaker discusses their views on death, fear, and the concept of hell, stating they don’t fear death and don’t believe in the traditional concept of hell. They also talk about their belief in ghosts and demons, and the possibility of humans creating their own personal hells. The speaker also discusses the idea of a spiritual battle taking place and the importance of humans in this battle. They express concern about distractions in the world and the use of occult symbolism to control people’s minds.
➡ The text is a conversation about various spiritual and philosophical topics. The speakers discuss the concept of initiation, such as baptism, and its significance. They also explore theories about the Earth’s shape and nature, including the idea of a hollow Earth. The conversation also touches on the interpretation of religious symbols, the existence of demons, and the concept of Satanism.
➡ The speaker discusses the idea of creating one’s own religion and the potential for it to become cult-like. They also touch on the concept of animals having spirits and the possibility of reincarnation. The speaker questions the multitude of Christian denominations and suggests that the ‘right’ one might simply be the most popular or convenient. They also discuss the use of spirituality as a weapon by those in power, and the use of symbols in magic and politics.
➡ The text discusses various theories and ideas about movies, ancient teachings, spiritual enlightenment, and pop culture. It also delves into the concept of secret societies and their influence on society. The conversation touches on the idea of ‘Green Man’ in culture and the potential manipulation of this concept. Lastly, it explores the idea of magic, rituals, and the power of the mind, using examples from Scientology and the Temple of Set.
➡ A girl with a history of violent schizophrenia convinced her friend that a fictional character, Slender Man, was real. They attacked another girl, nearly killing her, believing they were doing it for Slender Man. The story raises questions about the power of belief and how it can shape reality. The discussion also touches on the validity of religious figures and the influence of ancient stories on our understanding of the world.

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I’d stop by. You see, I. I heard there was a homunculus nearby. You’re a super long overdue. We’ve been friends for a few years now. We’ve been doing sound science, I think for over a year. Like almost going on two years, which is a podcast where we break down music and we have musicians on and we’ve had a bunch of people. All right, what? Like we’ve named some highlights of the people that we’ve had. We don’t do enough. I mean, dude, like, I know you’re a real busy guy and I have some other shows that I do, but, like, man, I really love.

I, I love doing that show with you because music is something that I’ve had since I was a kid. Way longer than conspiracy and mysticism and anything like that, dude. I mean, every single show for me, I, I still want to redo mine because we never got to listen to the music. We only got to read the lyrics and kind of look at the album covers and like a little bit about some of the symbolism and maybe some themes here and there. But, you know, we had, we had Wes on. We had Weston Cage on. Yeah, Weston Cage.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was. Was a while ago. I talked to Wes and he’s actually going to come on, man. He’s a real good guy. He’s. He’s. Whenever he’s done shooting this movie, of course, which is, which is pretty wild to be talking to him. But Shane Cashman came on. We had foundering on. Ah, man, I’m trying to. We’ve had a lot of people. I think that’s a good top three. Not like in the best, but those are some pretty notable interviews that we’ve locked down. You know what? It. It is a tough show to do because when we first started out, I think we were dancing around how do we play copyrighted music on podcast and not just immediately have it taken down? Like, if that is just the thing that three people experienced for a couple hours and then nobody else.

Right. And the one thing we figured out is that we can only put it on rumble. We can’t put it on YouTube because YouTube will take it down and they’ll strike the channel and we can’t put it even on like an audio podcast. And here, and here’s the reason it’s. It’s not even like the podcasts are trying to strike you down. It’s that there’s this weird legal area where that if you play music for a majority of a podcast, then it now becomes like a music broadcasting thing. And the podcasting companies don’t have that particular type of license for publicly broadcasting music.

So even if it’s your own music and you just sat down and you sang for two hours or went through your own music, you’d still get your channel taken away. So, long story short, there’s. There’s no home for sound science with music. What’s that? You can’t even do cover songs. You can’t. As long, like, if you wanted to just play a single song and then comment on it. So it’s a tiny part of a longer bit of content. I think you can probably skate by with that. But most of the, even the podcast companies, they’ve got algorithms that’ll just check and be like, oh, yeah, the majority of this audio that was uploaded is music.

And even if it’s original, we don’t have a license to broadcast music. We only have a license to broadcast podcast. So it’ll just get taken down out of their terms of service regard regardless if it’s copyrighted or original or whatever. So it’s. Again, it’s the only place that we can even do sound science is on Rumble, which is great. Like I have no problem doing on Rumble, but it just sucks, man. It’s like horrible that it’s limited to just this one platform and that’s the only place again, and probably Odyssey and you could upload it to like archive.org or whatever.

But yeah, Rumble and Twitter and, but like, you have a pretty big following on YouTube, so that is very unfortunate, dude. I mean, the slightest bit of any kind of music in anything, background music in an edit or like, like I have a lot of edits that I do. You know, I have this Twin Peaks edit and bunch of cool stuff. This worm edit that my, the old guy that used to make the edits for Jose and Austin had made for me back when he was making stuff for me. Love you, Tim. And yeah, dude, sorry, I, I had here in one ear.

You’re, you’re used to my kid screaming and making a fuss one or the other, you know. But yeah, no, it’ll strike, it’ll strike your channel down. It’ll lock your channel. Actually, my, my Spotify, it’s like, wait, where’s the song? You know, like, I, I, I did. I don’t hear a song. And it’s like something that you played maybe a clip of a video on Twitter, I don’t know. And you’re like, what? Unless you get the pass if you’re already popular enough that you’ve got like an inside connection. But anyways, that separate discussion aside, sound signs for anyone that’s wondering, what the hell is that? Why haven’t I heard about it? That’s because we, we can’t put it on any other platform other than Rumble.

And, but Twitter is a little bit more ephemeral. At least on Rumble, it kind of sits around and you can go back and revisit it. So we sit down with, with some person, sometimes it’s just one of us, but we go through five different albums and we’ll listen, we’ll watch the music videos from two or three of the songs we’ll talk about what the lyrics mean. We’ll get into, like, any kind of, like, other weird details. And it’s not necessarily 100%. We have to decode and occultize everything. And it’s not like everything has to be a conspiracy or politics sometimes.

Like, Shane Cashman came on, just talked about how great it felt to be like punk and listen to punk music. And sometimes it’s a nice retreat. And it also, I think, gives you more insight into how. What influence people, like, why they think certain ways. And so speaking of, we’ve gotten into your influences on sound science. We’ll. We’ll redo original episodes where we’re actually playing music. You’ll have to go just on Rumble to do it. But first of all, you got this Gray Pill podcast. When you first met you, you were going hard and like Babylonian gods and all these ancient gods and how they use syncretism to kind of like blend into modern day.

So give me like a. An overview of what, what the hell you care about. Like, how come you’re not just, like, sniffing oxy somewhere. Well, funny you say that due to my. You were doing that before you joined. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Once upon a time, you know, in some past life, some. Some ethereal Babylonian gods. Your anti drug. You can say that, dude. You can say that conspiracy is. And I mean, dude, that is a common theme I’ve found. Meeting different people in this little, little world of ours is there a lot of them are like, at, you know, ex addicts or whatever, recovering alcoholics.

Like, you know, it’s. It. So it is like, it’s almost as if addiction is like the spiritual journey that if you come out on the other side more refined. I guess it’s like a dark night of the soul allegory or something, you know, hidden in there, maybe. Or like going to jail. Well, one of the two, like, hitting. Yeah, going to jail. Because. Because I’d argue, like, if when you hit rock bottom in any way, you’re doing shadow work, maybe it’s against your will, but, like, there you are, like in the gutter. You’re. You’re kind of having to do shadow work even if you force the bond.

Basically, yeah. You got to get spiritual. I think it’s for the better, dude. I mean, because it’s like, okay, you can face your demons or whatever and you can work past it. And I mean, most people come out on the other side of it and they. They end up doing pretty well for themselves or people succumb to their demons and they Live in fear. And they just live in this perpetual cycle of, you know, blaming, you know, everything on everyone else but themselves. And they keep going to jail, right? They keep, you know, they, they keep kind of looking more and more decrepit and before you know it, they’re one of those zombies on, on the streets out there in LA or Oregon.

Portland Zombies got good stories though. You’ll get a good story out of one of those zombies. Dude, it was sad. There was this one chick that I knew that grew up like in the country, like 30 minutes south of me. And she was on that soft white underbelly show just like, like smacked out in California. And she was such like a quiet, just like, like a scene girl growing up. But like came from like a. Well, I thought, you know, a Christian family or whatever. You know, she always seems, I mean, just you know, like a Southern, you know, clean cut Southern family.

That’s how, that’s what she seemed like growing up. I don’t know right about this. They’re Pentecostal. I’ve seen that happen to people, man, it’s wild, dude. It’s wild. It was weird seeing her on there too. She, she lied a lot about her childhood, that she was like abused a bunch and this and that. And everyone was in the comments just like, no you weren’t. Like, we all grew up with you. Like you had a good, you came from a good household. Like, what are you doing? You know, and she was talking like black and stuff. It’s just real, just like it’s, it’s tragic, man.

She died, you know. Well, dude, you know, she has a kid she left behind. I’m pretty sure. It’s just sad, dude. Sad. You’ll make good art though if you. Bro, this is like the edge of like the edge of existence, man. The last frontier, I’d say, to be quite honest with you, somewhere where you can come and buy land and you can maybe be secure. I’ve never heard to Mississippi referred to the last frontier before. I thought that was accident. It looks like a damn war zone. Looks like Blackhawk down, that movie. But there’s garbage everywhere.

It’s. It’s awful, man. It’s awful. So, so how do you get from there to, to Babylon? Like where, where the hell was that connection? Well, you know, I had a couple like near death experiences, I guess you could say, where I. I had OD’d and like came. Just came to on the ground and like had busted my head open a couple times. But then I had a car wreck and I Don’t know how I survived it, dude. I just woke up in the hospital with a brace on my neck. There’s a picture somewhere. And I have not posted it.

I. I don’t think maybe I have. I don’t think I have, though. But I’m gonna post it just as a, you know, just as a little. What’s it called? A little bit of a testimony, I guess, to. To what? I. Were you driving in this car wreck? Yes, yes, yes. I. I was driving. Me and my wife got in an argument, and I basically chose to. Veer off a bridge, flipped the car. I remember coming to a little bit. I. I vaguely remember this black woman just crying. And she was on the phone. She was just like.

I think the man did. The woman alive, but the man dead. And I was. But I. I wasn’t dead. Maybe I was out of my body or something and I was seeing her do it, but apparently they dragged me away from the car, and within 30 seconds, it exploded. I also did not have my seatbelt on. The seatbelt was not jerked away. It was still in there. It was burnt up, still on the seat. So I should have been thrown from the car. Something. Something kept me here, dude. And I don’t know. I just. Maybe it was my spirit just.

I started to seek a higher purpose for existing. And I had a son, you know, I had a young kid who was seeing his dad go through hell, quite literally, and. Yeah, man. So, you know, kind of coming out on the other side of that, and, you know, I had started. What year is this, by the way? Like, when you say coming out on the other side of that. This is 2016. This is around when Trump had gotten elected. Like, 2016, 2017, 2018 is when I got in the wreck at the very end of 2017, like in Jan.

Like the first week of January, I got in a wreck. I’d already went to jail twice the month before. I don’t want to. What was it? Twice? Three times. You don’t have to. You don’t have to overshare. You don’t have to get it. Three times. No, twice. It was just twice. I. I want to say it was just twice. And at this point, when you’re getting in trouble and you’re going to jail, do you care at all about Babylon? Like, are you looking into ancient deities and research? I was into. I was more into looking into symbolism, like the Illuminati stuff.

You know, my. My wife has shown me Bohemian Grove. When we first started dating back in 2012, 2013, that’s the keeper. Yeah, dude, definitely. They got me looking into the Rothschilds and occult symbolism, though. Like, you know, like the Osiris slain, Osiris risen, all the stuff that the celebrities do. Right. Like, that’s really what I was on for like a year or two. And just looking into the Rothschilds and, like, I started learning about the Black Nobility. And we’re gonna get a little disclaimer now under this video. It’s going to be like the Rothschild family. Oh.

Due to conspiracy theories. But then, dude, I. I went to treatment and I kind of, you know, I. I read a little bit of the Bible, but I started to read, see, like, secret teachings of all ages at the same time. And so I was learning about spirituality from these different aspects. And which one’s better if you had. If you had to pick one of the two on the spot. Bible or secret teachings of all ages? Well, to be honest with you, I. I started out reading the. The Apocrypha and the Book of Enoch, so. Okay, so you didn’t start with the Bible.

You started with the Apocrypha. Yeah, I started because I had, you know, I knew what was in the Bible. Like, I. I knew the basic, like, themes and allegories and stories and, you know, I knew because. And I was raised going, well, you know, I was. My grandfather was adopted by a Jewish family, so I was raised in the synagogue until I was 13. And something inside of me told me, hey, this isn’t for you. These people don’t like you or your mother, maybe. I mean, dude, if you’ve seen a picture of me when I was a kid, I look like a young German lad.

Like, I should have suspenders on and, like, be skipping through the meadow with a hat, you know, like blonde hair, you know, so, like, it. It. I don’t know. They. I didn’t have a good experience. And so I became. I started playing punk rock and skateboarding and, you know, I was an atheist. I was pretty anti God my teenage years. I would tell people God’s not real and, like, laugh in their face and, you know, just. Just being a jerk, you know, I was just a jerk. You shouldn’t do that to anybody, even if you. Yeah, that’s.

That’s so 90s. That’s so. Yeah. Yeah, dude. You know. Oh, bro. Trying to be. It was a vibe. That’s what the kids would call it now, but that was like a whole vibe. We wear shirts, like, upside down peace signs and. You know what I mean? But, you know, so. But at the Same time when, when I was a kid and I was going to the synagogue, my friend, my friend Nick, his uncle was a pastor of a Baptist church, a very small Baptist church called Key Point. And I went there every other weekend when I would stay with him.

And my mom was like, well, you have to go to the synagogues, you know, and it’s funny, it’s funny though that later on I find out that, you know, I’m not Jewish and I’m, I have learned to brace my European heritage. And, you know, how did you find out? Did somebody like break it to you? They’re like, hey, my mom found out that my grandfather was adopted and my grandmother converted. So there’s no lineage through my grandmother. Her parents are Baptist and my dad was raised in Church of Christ, so he’s not, you know, and my mom got a DNA test, I got a DNA test.

We’re both 0% Jewish. So if my mom’s not Jewish, my grandfather’s not Jewish, I’m not, you know, and I’m 91.99.1% Northwest European. You know, that something, you know, something that I never knew that I was. So like, my identity, you know, my whole life has been something different. Also thought when I was younger that I was black and you know, I, I went to an all black school. I, I dabbled in the streets, in the drug game and I was a rapper and you know, but, but like I told you, I was also playing punk rock music and skateboarding and like, you know, going to parties and stuff.

And like, so I was kind of an anomaly, I guess you could say. Oh, I think all white people go through some version of that. Like, look at even Elizabeth Warren, right? Even she went through the exact same phase. It just lasted longer. But everyone kind of gets tricked into thinking by their grandparents that they’re another race or another religion. Happens all the time. Well, my, my, my grandfather’s sister, dude, she was so she, when he died, she didn’t like, dude, she treated my mom, my aunt, my and my grandmother like complete garbage. They didn’t talk to us for almost two.

Two, like, well, almost a decade, I think. And then tried to make nice. I’m just like. And now I’m just looking back and I’m like, no, he still doesn’t have a headstone, you know, And I mean, you could look at my grandfather and tell, you know, he, he doesn’t, you know, he just, he looks European, you know, and okay, but anyway, so you started out Jewish and then you turn atheist at the same Time going and learning about Christ. I stood up in the synagogue once and said that Jesus was a good man. And I got like reprimanded for it, like pretty harshly.

I also got my face pushed in a song and in a prayer book one time and told to kiss it because I, I was like hitting on it with my fingers because I was a drummer. And yeah, so that, that was fun. Like, it was like you were bruising it and you had to like kiss, kiss this. You’re that it’s some. Or maybe I was hitting on it with a comb and he threw the comb and called it trash. He goes, that’s trash. This is holy. Kiss it. And is, is. I mean, that’s traumatic for a kid.

And like, I didn’t remember that till years later. I was like you. But, but. So, yeah, and then I was an atheist through my teenage years. I have my son, I move in with my in laws. I quit partying so much. I kind of become a homebody. Well, I’m still party and I’m not gonna lie. You just came back from a party. I start to get into a conspiracy and I start to get a little spiritual. You know, I start to learn about the Bible and stuff. But I, I hadn’t gone to church yet or, you know, been.

Been baptized yet or anything. And then, you know, so I went to treatment, read the Bible when I was in treatment, but also was reading other things and kind of correlating the two and the, the story of the fallen angels fascinated me. Just thinking back to ancient times and if they were physically here on this earth, it’s just like something that kind of like gave me a, you know, semi, semi thinking about angels, dare I say? Yeah, yeah, back, back. First learning about it. Yeah, man, you saw my pantheon charts, dude. I was, I was going schizo, but you know, so I had this understanding that was a little more mystical of this, of the Bible in general, of Christianity, of it, the entirety, you know, of everything.

And, and so getting out of treatment, I kept learning about more and more. You know, then I start to learn about Sumeria and these pantheons and I start to read sitch and at the same time, still reading hall, I start to read a little bit of Rudolph Steiner, start to learn about Lemuria and Atlantis. And you know, it wasn’t until I started podcasting and by this point, you know, I’m a Christian and you know, I consider myself now a follower of the Christ. You know, I use other terms. What denomination is that though? It’s, it’s not.

It’s just, just generic non denominational Christianity. Just a guy, a guy in his Bible. Yeah, yeah, but not really the Bible, dude. Like I’m more likely to have the Book of Enoch with me, you know what I mean? Well, I mean doesn’t it have to be the New Testament if it’s Christian? Well, that’s where the problem lies, doesn’t it? So most people would say that I’m not a Christian. You’re. No. You’d be. No, you. I mean I definitely would not say Christian if it’s, it’s the Book of Enoch. The Book of Enoch predates Christianity. Right, right.

So this is where, you know, I, I start to get into, I learn about ancient symbolism and how all these other stories have these other meanings and I start reading a lot of halls, different treaties and you know, you know, learning about alchemy and topamancy and you know, egregores and stuff, man. And like you start to get into the mystery schools and then, you know, I consider myself now a Christian mystic, some, someone who understands the teachings of Christ a little more esoterically than most and try to, you know, put them into action. That’s, that’s the, the goal, right, is to put these things in, into a certain type of work that you do in, in your life.

So yeah, and that’s led me down roads, man, you know, conversations and topics that I, I never thought that I would dive down, dude. You know. Let me ask you what’s in the context of all that of like learning about ancient deities, reading the Apocrypha, learning about like necromancy and all like the ancient Greek mystery schools. What’s the most offensive take that you’ve got? Now that would put you at odds with like simple Christianity, like just typical fundamental Christianity. Like what’s, what’s your biggest hot take that you truly believe that Christ practiced in the school of the Druidic initiates.

And what does that mean specifically? What did he. What did what. Are you accusing him of something? I want to know. No, I’m saying that he, he was mystic. He, he, you know, he turned water in, into wine. You know that, that is alchemy, right? I mean, let’s be honest. You know, he, he spoke of things be wise as, as a serpent, you know, which people, you know, be cunning like a snake. It’s like. No, back then, initiates of the Druidic schools were called serpents. Their right to, you know, their little, their little, they’re a little ritual where they would go in, in the tomb for three days, right.

And they would trans, transgress through the underworld and they would learn the signs and symbols, they would face the dweller and they would come back up and they would teach this to their other fellow initiates. Right? And you know, Christ, he did the same thing. Genuine question here. Do you think that when the druids would go into these caves for three days, like it’s all, it’s all symbolism, right? It’s not like it was know this could be their cave, right? Like their mind, you know, or like, I mean, what, what do you take from it? Because you’re, you’re into this kind of stuff too.

I mean, half of me thinks that they just had a lot of extra free time on their hands. Like I don’t have three. Have you had three days off to just go into a cave and contemplate philosophy in the last year or two? I haven’t. I have another take that’s controversial, Thomas, and that is the missing years of Christ. I, I believe he went to, to learn from all the mystery schools in Greece, in Gaul or Britannia, in Egypt, in the east, you know, so that’s. People have a problem with that. And I’ve been called a Rosicrucian and a Gnostic and a pagan and, and a Jesuit.

That’s, that’s when I get on Spotify a lot. Yeah, you know, dude, I don’t know, man. I have a deeper understanding of things now, so it’s like once you understand things, you know, this is kind of what a Jesuit would say. I just have like. I’m not calling you a Jesuit, but the things that you’re saying are what a Jesuit would say. God, Thomas, don’t do that to me, man. Well, yeah, like me talking about that we have to take King, King Arthur’s castle back. Like that’s something that say. Or is that something like a Templar would say? No, but just that like I’ve got a deeper esoteric understanding.

Like that’s kind of what a Jesuit would typically. But I’m so. Okay, no, I’m not. Than other people. I’m just saying then I used to have. Okay, okay, understood. Yeah, yeah. No, no, no, no, no. I don’t want. Once you say you know everything or you know more than this person, that means you know nothing, right? That’s what I understand. That’s what I take from that. You know, I’ve, I’ve learned a lot about the lower and higher self of us, you know, of our, our nature as, as men, you know, and how to Kind of, you know, mediate between the two as far as like the angel and devil on your shoulder.

You know what I mean? When you’re talking about the water to wine and that’s represents alchemy is. Do you think that there was a historical Jesus, there was like an actual Jesus person that, that could be attributed to some of these miracles? Or do you think that they’re all stories or what? I think both could be true. I, I think there could be symbolic meaning behind them. Maybe something with astro theology. You know, what happens in the heavens happens. You know, kind of plays out on, on earth as above so below that whole thing, you know, like, dude.

Yeah, I think both could be true. I think, you know, all, all they have to do the, to muddy the truth is just change something here and there or just, you know, maybe not translate something the right way and it means some to, to someone who’s following, you know, a deity. I mean, it means something to them. How, how it reads, you know, like that’s important. And so. I don’t know, man. I, I just, I, I think there’s multiple ways to interpret it. I think that it was written for, for that purpose, you know. Do you think that there’s something that’s like.

Because when, when you say that you identify as Christian now, right? Is that meaning that that’s the closest one to like. Why don’t you say Mormon? Why don’t you say like Rastafarian? Why don’t you say any other version that’s kind of Christian adjacent? Is there something specific about Christianity that you, that you think it’s when I’ve, when I’ve like, you know, the teachings of Christ, when you apply some of those to your, to your everyday life, it, it makes, you know, it makes things play out right. Like I’ve, I’ve witnessed prayer and then things being manifested, you know, the, the next week in my life, you know, and I’ve felt the Holy Spirit before, which I know people think is silly, but that is the, the rising of your spinal fluid.

You know, when people feel the Holy Spirit, they feel that feeling. That’s because, you know, and people would say that’s problematic, but that’s just, you know, the occultism of our bodies, like the occult nature of our bodies or whatever. Who gets offended at that? If you say that the Holy Spirit is what spinal fluid rising? Who would be offended by that? Most Christians would be offended by that. Well, I mean, you identify as Christian so. Well, so I don’t know, Thomas. I mean, you know, like I said, I call myself a follower of the Christ. And, you know, that’s because I.

I like what he taught. So I’m. I’m curious where the. The fascination with Babylonian gods and the Sumerian gods and you’re getting into, like, Druidism, like, where the Druidism came later. This all came when I started podcasting and talking to people and learning things from other perspectives. That’s not in just, like, the Abrahamic paradigm, you know, you kind of start to see things from these different angles, you know. But if anything, I think it’s strengthened my spirituality. You know, people like to look at Christianity. And hall says that. And one of his little books, he says, you know, why was.

Why would Christianity not be a mystery school be. Because of a lot of the iconography and symbols come from these other, you know, Druidic cults, man. I mean, you know, it. It is what it is. Are. Are there any, like, esoteric Christian denominations or churches that you could go to? That’s. I think that’s a problem, dude. I mean, what do I call myself in a scene? No, I’m not. I don’t know. It sounds cooler, you know, like. Sounds like it would be more interesting. Well, I mean that, you know, I’ve. I’ve kind of explored things, but, I mean, that’s something that I’m working on, you know, something that I’m not fully grounded in yet.

I’m still, you know, when my wife found God and she found Christ, she found them in nature, but, you know, no denomination there either. No. Well, she doesn’t consider her. She considers herself more of a Christian mystic as well, but she can actually quote the Bible for you and stuff. I’m. I’m. Me. Not. Not so much. I. I can tell you stories in the Old Testament that pertain to stories in Sumerian mythologies, but the old. The Old Testament, you know, there’s a theory that it’s an accumulation of different ancient texts kind of all thrown together. And if.

If you. If you. And they called him. They called him, you know, God. If you take, like, one of those stories that you. That, like, basically it evolves from old Sumerian text and it makes its way into the Bible. And then we hear many, many iterations of it now, right? You trace it all the way back to whatever its actual roots are. Do you think most of the roots are stories? Or you think that they’re from actual events that occurred? Maybe events. When. When. When you say stories are those stories of the events that occurred, are you saying these, like, kind of stories that.

That you take a specific example, right? A guy walks on water. Do you think that. That there’s a chance that that actually happened? Symbolic of treading on, you know, That’s a good question, man. That’s a real good question. And the water to wine, another good example. The. The feeding of the plenty, right, Where. Where he multiplies the fish. Like, all of these motifs that you can trace into other religions. I guess the biggest one would be dying and coming back to life after three days. Like, do you think that that’s just a solar myth, or do you think that there’s a chance a literal person at some point died and came back to life three days later? Well, there is that solar.

You know, that solar deity myth that you spoke of. And I’ve done it. I’ve done a couple episodes on that especially. I did one last Christmas, you know, about how that’s not Christ’s birthday. And I still don’t believe that’s Christ’s birthday. And I think it is the winter solstice, you know, the celebration of Yule, which is what our ancestors celebrated. You know, I don’t think there’s anything. I don’t even know if that’s debatable. It might. It might be lesser known or acknowledged, but I think that anyone that even does a slight modicum of research into the date of the December 25 date, that it falls apart the second that.

Because you can find people out there, dude, that will be like, no, no. And they’ll just still blindly just reject the theory that, hey, it may be on April 1st. Like, April Fool’s Day, right? Or it may be on 9, 11. My understanding was, is that it was that the April Fools, that was actually the first day of the year. It was celebrated as the new year because of and more than just Christ, right? It was for a whole plethora of solar reasons, but for the reason it’s called April’s Fool’s Day. It was to shame people that didn’t adopt the new calendar by just calling them fools because they were still treating April 1 as the new calendar day.

The old calendar, the Julian calendar, Right. Was that the old one or the new one? You’re putting me on the spot here, Mango. And the Julian. I should know because my name’s Julian. I live by the Kodak calendar, so it’s irrelevant to me. Well, yeah. No, dude. So now we start the year off, you know, New Year’s ready to go, New Year’s resolutions, all that stuff we started off in the dead of winter in the month of Janice. Right? January. Janice. And it’s like, dude, that’s. That’s not how the year’s supposed to start off. We’re supposed to start off in spring and, like, you know, the blooming of flowers and trees and like, re.

Which. Which came from the warfare because. Because the. The month of March was the first month that the winter finally ended and you could go back to war. You could put your soldiers back out onto the battlefield, which is why that’s March. And then you get April, Iraq, in. In March. I mean, it would make sense for. And it’s not just. It doesn’t have to be for symbolic reasons. It can also just be because it’s. It’s been advantageous. Like, that’s the whole point that it was called March, I believe, and named after the. The God of war, Mars.

See on March 19th, 20th, 2003. Yeah, dude. His first invasion of Iraq. Wow. Thomas just blew my mind, dude. But, dude, like, it’s just like a formula that everyone follows, right? It’s not even like it’s prophetic, right? Well, like, learning about, like, King. King Arthur and stuff, dude. It’s like, you know, when I go back to my. To my lineage now, it’s mostly from. From England. England. I have some. I have some Welsh in me. Nordic. Like, I’m like a whole kind of European spread, dude. It’s wild. You got any freemason in you? Yes, actually, my.

Yeah, my grandfather. My. My great grandmother was Eastern star, I’m pretty sure in the States. Not. Well, oh, no, my grandmother. Not. Not my great grandmother. My grandmother was. Okay, so in the US Then. Yes, yes. My great grandmother was something as well. And then my great grandfather, I think may have been a Shriner. My wife’s great grandfather, him as well. Dude, like, so, you know. So how come you’re. You’re dropping the stone, so to speak? I don’t know, man. I just never. Never really thought about it, dude. I don’t know. I just never. You were talking about Christian mystery schools and how there’s nothing out there.

What. I mean, the closest thing I can think of would probably be York, right? You think so? Oh, yeah. 100. I think that’s the CLO. Because any other version, maybe Rosicrucianism. But Rosicrucianism is. It’s very particular. I’d say, like, like, British flavor, at least, like European flavor. I don’t know if it’s necessarily the. The right path for most of it. And then you’ve got like, Oto But Oto is more Crowean, like ex drug addict people looking for orgies or something. So you got York, right, bro? York, right, is kind of on. It’s. It’s the straight and narrow Christian version of a mystery school.

I can’t think of a better version of that outside of maybe Rosicrucianism, but that again, Rosicrucianism is like a wet. It feels like west coast. I don’t know how else to describe it. Yeah, my. Funny enough, my. My brother in law, my. Well, my soon to be brother in law, not my. Not my wife’s bro, Not. Not my wife’s brother, but my sister in law’s new husband, he is in the Blue Lodge at. I think up in Virginia in the Glasgow Lodge. And he. And he. He doesn’t know about half the stuff that I talk about.

I’ll try to. I’ll try to talk to him. He’s just like that. That’s. That’s awesome, Jules. Probably. That’s. Probably. Probably sounds schizo to him half the time. But his. I think his father may have been. May have been a Rosicrucian. He. Dude, he gave all his books to like the Lodge or something. And I was like, dude, it’s like right before I came. Let me. Let me be clear too, though. I don’t. I don’t know that if you were to go into York, right, that you would find esotericism there, like, waiting for you. It’s more like if you go into it and you’re already esoteric, you’ll probably get a lot of, like, that Christian esotericism, Christian mysticism directly from it, but it’s not like, presented to you that way.

And then the thing that Christians don’t understand, especially the hardcore, like, I’ve heard some people refer to him as like, e. Crusaders. They’ll talk about knights and, you know, the crew. And it’s like, dude, the knights were a part of an esoteric order as well. Like, dude, yeah, you had to, you know, do training and fulfill your. Your oath. And they’re basically Muslim. I mean, if you were to, like, strip away all of the other labels. That’s wild. That’s. Why would you say that, man? That’s crazy. I. I’d like. I mean, they’d have to be, right? They were so inundated, especially during all the Crusades, that you’d have to at least understand that culture maybe even more than your own.

So I’ve seen the 13th warrior. So. Okay, that qualifies as enough research. I think, like, everything I know about Japan, pretty much came from Tom Cruise in the Last Samurai, which is how it should be. You would love the Han Dynasty show. What’s it called? A Tale of Three Kingdoms. Have you ever played Dynasty warriors? The video game? It was, it was too much like management. I didn’t want to feel like I was an administrator of a war. I wanted to be the guy on the front line. That’s Kessin. You’re talking about Kessin and Kesson too.

I actually thoroughly enjoyed those when I was a kid. I don’t know if it was my add, but I loved setting up the armies and then watching. You couldn’t really kill anybody in it, but you could watch the battle happen. But it’s based off these tales of these lords and these warriors in ancient China and like the Han Dynasty there was like, dude, it, it’s so good. It’s like a romantic kind of, you know, romantic kind of tale. Oh, it’s called the Romance of the Three Kingdoms. That’s what, that’s what it’s like called in the literature of it, the historicity of it.

A Romance of Three Kingdoms. But there’s these warriors that, that they describe, you know, basically being like Nephilim. Dude, it’s crazy. But the show is great. It’s on YouTube, actually. Tale of Three Kingdoms. Yeah. I don’t know nearly enough about China and in fact I’m still just trying to learn enough about the US I just barely start reaching outside of the US If I absolutely have to. But even when I find my research wandering, I’m like, why the hell am I caring about Italy right now? I should care about the heartland of the world. I should care about the usa.

And then I try and find something cool that we did instead. No, I think more of us should focus on, on our, on our country, especially our country, you know, I mean, we know that’s probably not going to happen, but you know, I’ve never left the, the United States actually, dude, like, I don’t even think I’ve left the south to be honest. No, not yet, but I’m getting one this year and I’m going to stay with my brother in law on that island, on that island off the coast. Okay, so yeah, so you’re going to, so you’re going to be as damn near international as you possibly can be.

You’re going to be the opposite side of the world. And I’m going to do a stream from there as well. Going to do a few streams. So where’s next after, after that’s the first. Like, what’s your, your top list? Where the three places you’d want to go? Are you going to like the pyramids or are you going to like. I would like to go to Egypt, dude. I’d like to go. I would love to go to Scandinavia and the Netherlands. I’d love to go to Iceland. Greenland. I’d love to go to Alaska. Okay, this is like a thirty thousand dollar trip already.

Yeah. Dude. No. Somebody. Hey guys. Cash app Jules Preston. If you want to fund across the world the spread of his Enochian Christianity, go around and, you know, ask everybody about the mysteries and about their lore and then write a book. If you’re gonna take all that time to go out there, why not just actually go through a mystery school like whenever you go to a new country? Well, that’s what, that’s what the grayfield Patreon has kind of become, dude. It’s kind of become its own mystery school. We, we have this, you know, we review these books and we, you know, read them.

And I mean, not in, in itself, right? Like there’s no initiation. There’s no. But I mean, you gotta join. Doesn’t sound like a mystery school to me. If it’s a mystery school, it’s got a real initiation. I know. I’m just saying in, in the sense. It’s, it’s, it’s a play on words, obviously. Thomas. Have fun with it, dude. But that’s, you know, that’s, that’s where we. I do a lot of my reading. Reading my reading right now. The veal, the Veal of Isis or the Mysteries of the Druids by Winwood Reed. W. Winwood Reed. Pretty good book.

Started reading it two nights ago. But that’s something else, dude. Like, you know, when I first started to do, you know, all, all my podcasts and stuff, like, man, my lack of knowledge of certain things was just like, I don’t know, it’s, it’s. You have to kind of reevaluate some things and when you’ve spent a lot of time doing research on certain topics, you know that it’s like, damn, man, I have to go and look at all of this again. You know, I got to make new Pantheon charts, bro. Still got to do it. Is there a, like a single, even like a 1% or like a.01% thought in your mind that, oh, if I, if I didn’t pick the right religion while I was alive, I might go to hell.

Like, I might end up burning for eternity because I didn’t I didn’t do the right thing. No. Well, one thing, you know, dude, hell isn’t even in the Bible. That’s just that hell is the Goddess of Helheim. And so I, I don’t really fear death because it’s certain. Right. It’s like something that’s going to come and when you face something to where you thought you died and then you want. You didn’t die, like, it’s kind of, you know, I don’t know, it’s not as frightening, but. And that’s, that’s something that I’ve been talking about a lot lately is people’s perception of things and fear and a lot of content pushed out is like fear based.

It’s like fear porn, you know what I mean? But it’s also pretty exhilarating, you know, I mean, it’s like a rush to like, you know, connect some kind of like deep conspiratorial factors and you’re like, oh, holy. You know, like you get a, a burst of adrenaline or dopamine or, you know, and so let me, let me take some questions. I’m going to take them out of PCP at the end. We’ll do some other ones. But like, I’ve got some typical questions I usually ask, but I’m genuinely curious and I want more than just like ratings on these, but do you believe in ghosts, for example? I believe in ghosts and even different types of ghosts, dude.

Okay. Do you believe in demons? Demons? Not, you can’t say like a Greek daemon. I mean like a demon. The same way that you would have learned about demons like in a, in a traditional New Testament based Christian organization, Protestant, Baptist, Catholic, like that every disembodied spirit is a demon. I don’t, I don’t necessarily know that they would have to fall under that. But demon being like a malevolent, evil fueled, like bad creature, do you believe that those exist? Again? I also think there’s different types of like lower level entities, you know? Yeah. Yeah, I guess you could say.

Yeah. Okay, so, so like close the gap here for me that where demons can exist but hell doesn’t exist because hell just kind of sounds like the, the projects that all the demons go back to at the end of the night. Well, she or Gehenna, whatever you, you want to call it, that’s what it is called in, in the Bible. I, I think Tartarus, this place that’s, you know, separation from God and, and I think people, this, this is where someone can place themselves directly. Even thinking that they’re saved. They live their lives attached to their lower nature in this material world and, or, you know, maybe not kind to animals or cruel to children or, you know, like, but they, they think that just because they’re a Christian that they’re gonna go to some heaven.

And it’s like, no, you’ve created your, you’ve created your own personal hell for yourself, and that is what you will perceive when you die. What do you think about animals in all this context? What, what about animals? I love do. Okay, no, I’m not, we’re not talking about hurting animals. We’re talking about, like, do animals play by any of the same rules that we do when it comes to spirits and consciousness and all that? Do you think that, like, there’s animals that, you know, would be plagued by demons versus, like, more virtuous ones? Like, is there morality in the animal world of any kind? Yes, yes.

I, I, I do believe that. Especially, you know, people say it’s how you raise a certain, you know, it’s how you raise a certain animal. And, you know, if something is in innocence at birth or like a small baby animal and you raise it, you abuse it, and it, it loses that, you know, it doesn’t wag its tail so much. It doesn’t smile. You know, dog smile doesn’t smile so much. It loses that. What, I guess you would say if a dog had a higher nature, it loses that connection to, attaches to something primal and fear.

Right. We talked about fear. And then maybe something can attach to that, right? That energy. I don’t know. And that would be a demon. Yes, but I also think we create our own demons, dude. Yeah. Do you think that you can put, we could put demons to work potentially. Absolutely. And that ties into servitors and all, all that stuff, dude, like the egg. Like, what, what’s a pr. What’s a practical application that we’re like, hey, we figured out how to control demons. Here’s, here’s the first thing we’re going to do with them. We’re going to inject them into the youth, you know, through subversion and culture and arts and academics and, you know, like, what’s up? Who would do that? Unless, Unless that was also, like, does it start with a demon jumping into a politician and then the politicians, like, I need to get some more of my homies up here.

And then they’re like, sliding demons into more and more of the youth or like, what, what would be behind that? Push some kind of adversarial, I think, group of Entities, people like to refer to Satan. And you know as well as I do that Satan is, Is a title. There’s. There’s certain deities throughout. Certain texts, I think, refer to Satanail and Hasatan, stuff like that. And, but, you know, I think that there are, I don’t want to say pri. A primordial group of entities, but there is a dark ruling force that has or is trying to maintain a grasp over humanity right now.

And you see that played out and all the stuff that we talk about on, on these podcasts and theorize about and, you know, is there like a, like a, an actual battle going on, do you think? Like a spiritual, Like a true spiritual battle? Yes, yes. And I think people think that this is in. That this is some kind of battle in another realm, and they’re right. But I think that we matter so much more in this battle than people understand. And so people kind of disregard it and they just go. And they, they watch their football and their sports and.

Which, you know, I love Tennessee football even though we suck. But, you know, man, like, you know, they, like I said, they cling on to this. All these distractions that we see every day in our world and that, you know, I’m starting to realize as I learn more and more about the esoteric and all this deeper knowledge, you know, to stay away from certain things and how certain. That’s another reason that I dive into it, dude, is to be able to, like, recognize when this occult symbolism is being used to hypnotize us and mind control us and, like, you know all about it, dude.

Like, you, you’ve done such a good job putting out those pamphlets and, like, letting people know, like, hey, this is real. You know, like, it may take a comic for you to learn about it, but it’s real. You know what I mean? Especially I, I, I really appreciate you. I’ve been sending them out with all of my Patreon sticker packs, and it’s been making people real happy. So. Did you hear that? Yeah. If you, if you sign up with Jules Patreon, then you’ll get Paranoid American comics for free. Yes. Thank you, Thomas. Yeah. Then that’s, like I said something, people come, they sign up, and they can come learn.

Like, let me show you. This is a book we’re reading right now, the Adepts in the Western Esoteric Tradition. And it talks about the, the orders of the quest and all of these groups throughout the time, from Druidism to Christianity, right? And how they were kind of all stomped out, you know, and it kind of makes you wonder why doesn’t that just mean that they weren’t as good? Yeah, I don’t know about that, man. I think. Entertain me, because here’s an honest thought that I’ve got on, on that kind of a premise, and I. I was just kind of slightly kidding that like, they weren’t as good, so they got beat.

But if you look at the options that we have now for whatever your. The stories that made it into the Apocrypha or the ones that made it into the Bible or whatever the things that come across your plate as options, there’s probably like an infinite number of more things that we will never hear about because they got stomped out so badly that we’ll just never hear about them. And the only ones that we’re getting, it’s almost like if you only listen to the top 40 and you thought that that was all the music that had ever been produced in the history of humanity, and then not realizing that there was millions and millions of other songs out there.

So. So it is kind of like a wild concept of what even the ones that we’ve got now and even like the esoteric teachings that you might gravitate towards, especially esoteric teachings that we’re still only getting the most popular of the esoteric. Right. Like, we’re not actually getting that, like, super deep cut that no one ever heard of. Because no one ever heard of it. I know. And. And I guess that’s the whole idea of like applying it to your everyday life. Right. And like trying to find them. Trying to find the mystery in. In that.

You know what I mean? Whether that be through prayer or meditation or, you know, like you said, it’s not like it’s an initiatory. Right. Or anything. And there’s a lot more involved in it. And I’m still learning, you know. Have you been. Huh? And have you ever been through any initiation, like baptism will be? Yes, I’ve been through a baptism. Okay, so you. I mean, is that is a baptism, not an esoteric initiation? Absolutely. And there’s, you know, there’s. As a baby or as an adult. No, this was last year. Okay. So, yeah, you’ve been through a freaking mystery school.

What do you want? Yeah, yeah. I mean, you know, so. Yeah, I mean, if you put it that way. Yeah. That does go back, I think, pre Christianity, where they, I think even drowned people and resuscitated them back to life. Like, I highly recommend it, although it’s. It’s not a hundred percent success rate. Yeah, that’s that’s kind of what they did on the oa, right? They would die and then they would come back with some, some new skill. Well, when I almost died in the car wreck and came back, maybe. There you go, man. I had the ability to understand this stuff, you know, real talk, man.

That might have been your actual baptism. Like I. The one where the dude dunks you. The. Where they dunks you into the lake or whatever, or into a pool or. I really do think that that is such a detached, superficial, like placeholder for something real that used to exist and now it’s just the most vanilla of experiences even. I mean, of course some people place like a certain, I don’t know, a certain place on the earth where there’s like a certain vibratory raid and it’s a body of water that’s not touched by other. Like the. Like.

I don’t really believe in none of that. No, I mean, I don’t believe in vibratory rates and like things being untouched by human. Like even if that did exist in some theoretical past. Microplastics are everywhere, right? There’s a human fingerprint on every single place that you could ever visit for the rest of our lives and the rest of our kids and our grandkids lives. So it’s. It might as well just be a Disney like fantasy story. Lands outside the ice wall. Yeah. What do you tell me what about. Is the. Is the world flat? Let me ask you that one.

No. Well, I’ve also, I’ve thought maybe it’s a little bit of both. Maybe it’s flat at some points and it’s kind of like a soccer ball maybe in. In some way. That’s cheating though. No, man, that’s cheating. Because a flat earth means that it’s like a. It’s either a plane that goes on forever or that there is some sort of an edge. Right. Or Mobius. What if the Earth is a lot bigger than. Than we’re told? Right. But even, even if it’s bigger, it’s still, I would assume, has a shape to it. Right. Unless we’re talking about infinity.

I mean, okay, look, we may be on a ball, but I don’t know if we’re spinning through space. Yeah. I mean, if. Well, do you believe in the theory of relativity? Or is that like Einstein, Rothschild, Psyop. Einstein was faking gay, wasn’t he? Wasn’t in his life. I don’t know. I don’t. I don’t know if he necessarily was. Just because the, because the math isn’t something. It’s so. You know, it’s not like you. It’s like he invented things. He found. He found things that you can show to other people that they can independently verify. So, like, the whole.

The whole concept of relativity, though, means that, like, even if we’re going one mile an hour or a million miles an hour, it doesn’t really matter because that’s so far outside of our localized experience that it’s. It’s irrelevant until you get into astrophysics. Well, I do think the Earth is hollow, so if that counts for anything. Okay, well. Well, you mentioned you brought open the door on the ice wall, so. Is there an ice wall? Is there land beyond an ice wall? I mean, dude, I just. I don’t know. Why can’t we go down there? Why? Like, like, yeah, you may die, sure.

But if someone wants to kill themselves, don’t let them get in a pod and then put some kind of gas in there. Let them go down to Antarctica and get eaten by giant ice spiders, dude. You know, or the. The. The Aldebaran city that’s down there in. In the entrance to. To Hollow Earth. I mean, legit. Further you’ll reach Agartha, and then if you go up a little bit and to the north, you’ll reach Hyperborea. So is this all real, or are you being facetious right now? I don’t know. No idea. I think it’d be pretty cool.

We. We could create it, I guess. I don’t. Yeah, I don’t know how permanent it would be. Shambhala. I don’t know. So these are all. These are probably all ethereal realms, right? I had Stein Fox on from the Great Horn Pagans podcast. I think you’re friends with him. He’s. He’s. He’s the homie. Oh, yeah. No, he’s awesome. Yeah, dude. He came on to just talk about, you know, the nine realms and the I see here and the Vanir, and just to hear it from, like, a Norse pagans perspective, dude, is. Is there’s so much more to it than what they tell you.

Like, yeah, it’s all demons, you know, it’s like. I. I don’t. I don’t think so, man. You know, like. Well, so that’s actually a motif, and so this is like a weird trend. I can’t remember who I was talking to recently. I don’t think it was on a podcast. It was like a. Just a regular conversation. But it. It was right after 2019, 2020. There’s this huge Influx of new conspiracy theorists. Because there was a lot of people that were forced to question like whatever the narrative was because of their job and just because of general practices.

Right. And it forced a lot of people to come to terms with that and start looking into other things and you just get this big influx of new political people, right? And they’re like new into the space. And then out of that huge wave there was a non. Insignificant portion that start gravitating towards, we’d say, like orthodox Christianity. And that this in particular, this version of orthodox Christianity, I think it does compare a little bit to like the fundamentalist you’re mentioning where like ghosts are demons and psychedelics are demons and ancient Sumerian text, all demons. Like everything is a demon, if you oversimplify it.

Yeah, yeah. I mean, yeah. No, no, I expect, dude, when you start learning about the symbolism and, you know, I mean, these people, if they venerate some of these, Some, some. Some of these deities and they were demons, then this guy would have a demonic presence, right? Yeah, I mean, yeah. No, like, he, he doesn’t at all, sweetheart. Like, great guy, one of the nicest guys. And I’m pretty good at. What are we talking about an actual person right now? I’m talking about Stein. Yeah. Oh, okay. I thought you were talking about a hypothetical. Well, he was, you know.

Yeah, no, he’s talking, you know, he, he venerates the Norse gods. And like, if those were demons and he would be, you know, he. I think that there. You’d be able to see that. Right? Like that would manifest through him. But he’s, He’s a great guy. He’s a great father. He’s, you know, he’s. He’s just a great dude all around. So I, I just don’t believe that anymore. I maybe used to, but as you learn, dude, I mean, I don’t know, your, Your beliefs shift here, here and there, but yeah, I still think that there. But there are still lesser entities in, you know, in every culture there are what you would call demons or these malevolent.

Malevolent deities, I guess. Well, let me, Let me ask you this. What about like a Satanist? Would you, would you entertain Satanism as possibly a valid approach? Well, they’re worshiping. It’s the worship of self, right? The lower self. All the lower self. The carnal nature of. Of. Of. Of man. But I think they’re creating some type of servitor Satan figure. I think that’s what the Catholic church did when they drew the Red Devil guy. They created this, this guy that lives. The same thing with Slender man being a Tulpa, dude. It’s the same thing with Baphomet probably being a Tulpa, like, or an egregore, whatever you want.

You know, these things, they’re classified very specifically, but it’s an, it’s a thought form all the same, right. That manifests in different realms, you know. So that keep no graven images was basically the church saying, like, we want to have a monopoly on graven images, right? Like, we want to be able to define these tulpas and you can’t make them for yourselves. Yeah, yeah. Worship no other gods but me, you know? What about just making your own religion? Like, why do you, why do you have to even pick, man? I mean, if I could draw up an esoteric dog, like a doctrine, and it was, you know, it had a, all the things that pertain to a certain spiritual enlightenment, you know, then, yeah, dude, I mean, I, I, but I don’t know, man.

I think when you get into that, it turns a little cultish, you know, people start to look at you as the deity, you know, look, look at, look at Jared Leto. I think he kind of did that on purpose, though. I don’t think he just like fall into that on accident. I know, I know, I know. I was making a, that was a slight joke. I mean, one of the reasons I was asking about the animal thing earlier is because my very limited understanding, but that, it almost sounds like you might be a good fit for Rosicrucianism after all.

Because I think that that might have been one of the tenants, is that that animals are lower life forms in like a, maybe a mistranslated way, but they’re lower in that they still have the same spirit that we have, but it like, they can only contain so much of it. So they don’t have the capability to have like the higher order level of thinking. But they will on the next go round. Dude, dog, Dog is God backwards. I’m glad that more people are starting to come around to this. Well, hey, dude, I mean, these are just truths.

And I mean, if anything, people should question them anyway, bro, like, here’s what I, I have to say. What happened to question everything? What happened to, you know, it seems like people are kind of, I don’t know, they’re putting themselves in, in a box now, you know, I mean, and then if that’s what they want to do, that’s fine. You know, I, I respect, you know, I respect it all the same, but I just I think we should be able to have these conversations and be able to question these things without there being any backlash or there being anybody.

Like, I don’t know. I mean. And if it changes someone’s spirituality or, you know, then, I mean, isn’t that on that person? You know, I mean. Or is that on you? I mean, I. I think that it’s a slippery slope, and I know that’s. That’s a logical fallacy. Whatever. It’s a real thing, too. That’s why I say, you know, because the slippery slope is that hard. Anything. I have the great pool of Patreon, and. And we have God’s morning wood. And. Well, here. For. Here’s an example is that There’s, I believe, 40, 000 denominations of Christianity, right? So even if you only sampled each one for one day of your life, you’d never get through all 40, 000.

You die before you even made. And that’s just the denominations of Christianity. So it’s. It seems like almost impossible to find the. The right one. Unless it’s just a popularity game, unless it’s just whichever one has survived the longest because it’s the most convenient for the most amount of people for the longest amount of time. If it fits all those criteria, then it just becomes the de facto moral religion of the rest of the world, or at least of significant regions of it. Yeah, dude. And. And I think that, you know, the. The powers that be, the elite, whatever you want to call them, use people’s spirituality.

They use it against them. They use it as a weapon, the doctrine, the dogma, you know, they can use that against them. They’re doing it now with a certain country, you know, bless it. You’ll be blessed. Curse or you’ll be cursed. And it’s like, people are put in this position, and it’s like, look what they’re doing. Look at the. You’re talking about Costa Rica, right? Yeah, yeah, Costa Rica. But, like, even. What did Christ say? Judge them by their fruits. Their fruits are pretty bad, you know, it’s pretty. It’s pretty bad. I don’t. So I can push back on some of those sayings, though, because Judge them by their fruits could also almost be, like, Machiavellian.

It could almost be like, what. Look at the gangster that goes and buys everyone roast turkey on Thanksgiving to, like, a poor neighborhood. And everyone in that neighborhood’s like, oh, my God, Al Capone, he’s such a saint. And, like, you know, ignore the blood on his shoes. Well, hey, man, I mean, I Guess that pertains to culture, Right. If they protect the neighborhood, you kind of, you know, I mean, is that like, I don’t know, is. Is that the debt that’s. That’s paid? You know, is there like a Faustian bargain with the community? I don’t know.

I know that sounds weird, but yeah. I don’t even know if there’s necessarily a bargain. Right. Because you could just grow if you expand the neighborhood and the gangster to like your country and your president or whatever. But it’s not like anyone typically gets a say. I mean, you can move and you can change like what country you’ve registered with, but for the most part, it’s just like you’re here one day and now you’re playing by the rules, right. Or you’re not and you’re outside. These symbols are used in Tangent for a lot of, like these operations.

So with the gang stuff, it’s the Folk and People’s Nation. The Folk Nation being the Crips, the gds, the Royals, The People’s Nation being the Vice Lords, the Bloods, the Latin Kings. One side uses a six point star, the other side uses the crescent moon. Right. Where else do you see that? In the Middle east, dude. So it’s like they’re doing like these wars are playing out in other ways. Okay, yeah, yeah. So when you’re reading Manly P. Hall and some of these older esoteric treaties from the early 1900s, you see the hook cross, the swastika and the Sigil of Solomon, the six point star being used together.

And if you know the, you know the relevance behind or you know these two symbols, and you would know that they’re both used for magical ceremonies. But I digress. They basically so by using these in World War II against each other, this is like sigil magic, bro, on like a mass scale, dude. What do you think about that? That’s something I haven’t come out with, but I’m now dropping it. I gotta clip that. Okay, that’ll be the clip. That’ll be the intro. I don’t know. I don’t really know if I have any strong opinions one way or the other if that makes me boring.

But I think it’s fascinating that there’s certain symbols that people gravitate towards. But I think it, it might be more practical. It might be more like I’m a. I’m a tyrant or I’m a leader and I want to have this huge movement and I’m just one dude and no one even knows who the hell I Am. How do I make an impression? Well, let me find something that people already invested in that doesn’t really belong to any of them, and that could be a symbol. It’s like, if I can take a symbol that no one else.

It’s almost like going and finding a good domain name. Right? It’s like, is there one that hasn’t been used for 100 years and no one. I don’t have to pay anyone to use it. And then you find it, and then you can repurpose it. So when. When, like, Hitler finds the swastika, then he has an incredibly potent symbol that. That has a lot of deep meaning behind it. Even if. I don’t know if I believe in epigenetics. But even if you don’t know what it means, you see it and you’re like, oh, wow, that’s. That’s something.

That’s not just a random scribble that I’ll forget. It’s like you. You see this symbol and actually had something to it. And I think that you can turn that into rapport. You can just transfer the energy in that symbol into financial energy or political capital or something, but it doesn’t necessarily. Energy. There’s magic happening. Right, right, right, right. Yeah, yeah. That’s what. I don’t know, man. I think. And that’s when you talk about, like, yeah, people would benefit off of learning about, you know, sigil magic and, you know, ceremonial magic and Enochian magic. But then you think about it, you’re like, well, wait a minute.

What if some of these people aren’t, you know, like you said, the whole Machiavellian thing where it’s like, you know, this person acts good on the outside, but then, you know, well, you. You kind of use a different. Different little. Little reference, but I guess more along the lines of like a. A serial killer. You know, like, they’re, you know, clean cut, but then behind the scenes, they’re bad. You know, they. They get a hold of this knowledge and they could really wreck shop, you know, or just become obsessed with it. And now the symbol drive themselves.

Yeah. Is it like the number 23? Is that it? Is that the right number? Dude, I need to watch that movie again. Yeah, dude, there’s. There’s so many movies I need to watch again, bro. Have you seen under the Silver Lake? Yeah, it’s about where there’s one music producer that’s behind. Yeah. About the Egyptian ascension cults and the virgins, or not the virgins, but because they were prostitutes. I mean, that’s that’s kind of what we’re talking about a little bit. Right? It’s that there’s these. These big wigs in modern society that are CEOs or whatever. Like they’ve got some kind of role in functional society, but yet they’re injecting ancient teachings and sigils.

And what if they teach into culture? But what if these teachings used to be not so secret and more common for people to practice in order to, you know, achieve spiritual enlightenment? And then once they started coming and killing these different groups, they were like, hey, we got to take this underground. Is that, like, what happened? I mean, that’s literally the story of Carthage, right? When the, when the. The Israelites and the Romans later decide, hey, we don’t want these people sacrificing other people in public and then having these big public orgies, and then that gets driven underground because it’s kind of no longer in vogue.

Right. But it’s the premise. There’s that and that, you know, I mean, hey, that. I think that’s going to go on regardless, you know what I mean? So to make it available on some level, I don’t know, I. I think it would be beneficial. That’s just me. But, but like you said, man. Yeah, I’ll take a look at. At some, some different things. I’ll. I’ll talk to you more, more about it, you know, behind the scenes or whatever, if I have any questions. But, but yeah, like I said, man, still. Still figuring a lot out. I go on these deep dives, just did a few deep dives on the Green man.

And not only in culture and how they’re trying to create their own subversion, like their own. Their own Green man to overtake the natural one that seeds Gaia or, you know, Earth, because that’s, you know, Gaia is the feminine aspect. You have to have a masculine aspect. And that would be this guy going around dumping his seed. Right. And. And this is meant to replace, like, the female Gaia. No, no, no. I. I mean, like maybe them ushering in their own Green man through pop culture and, you know, I don’t know, to replace the archetype or something, who’d be a modern version of a Green Man.

And he can’t say Jolly Green Giant. You can’t say Jolly Green Giant. Well, you can say, you know, Jim. Jim Carrey’s played a couple Green Men before. Oh, well, that’s okay. Well, that’s like a literal Green man, but not necessarily a Green Man. Or are you saying it’s all the same. Like, if he just puts green face paint on and he appropriates green man culture, that he’s now a green man. I don’t know. See, it depends on what the message is behind it. And when you. When you look at something, it’s like, okay, why is. Why is he green? Piccolo and Dragon Ball Z, He’s a perfect example because he’s.

He’s basically like this Osiris figure, dude. He’s, like, dying and rising constantly. You know what I mean? Even though Osiris only does it once, you know, he. Yoda is a good representation. I don’t think that’s really a bastardization, but I don’t know, man. I. I think there’s certain things, naturally, that they’re trying to completely wipe out and put, like, this artificial idea in or kind of. And who’s they? Who is. Can you define what the they is? You’re talking about, like, the 13 families from Fred Springmeyer or what? The Illuminati, dude, the. Does that include Jay Z? Like, is Jay Z one of them? I think Jay Z’s a.

The Lemite. Yeah. Do you think that the Thalamites are, like, a part of the. Because the thalamites, to me, almost just seems like people that have Etsy shops and go to, like, cosplays together. Yeah. I mean, I don’t know, dude. I, like. I think there’s levels to it, probably, but, you know, you have some stuff that’s a front while something else is going on behind the scenes. You know, Church of Satan is a great example yet. And Anton lavey having, you know, Jane, Jane. Jane Mansfield and King diamond and Sammy Davis Jr. But you had Michael Aquino behind the scenes doing the Temple of Set, doing the real.

Well, it wasn’t even behind the scenes. It was that the. Michael Aquino was kind of fed up with all of these superficial Hollywood people coming through, and he’s like, dude, where’s all, like, the esoteric rituals where we’re worshiping ancient Egyptian deities? And I think, like, Anton lavey is just like, pipe down over there. I’m trying to direct a movie here. He must have pissed. He must have pissed Aquino off, because when he went to Channel, he channeled set. He did it intentionally, trying to channel the, you know, the embodiment of all evil and darkness. Let’s talk about Michael Aquino in particular.

Okay. Do you think that he was actually. Do you. At any point in his life, did Michael Aquino actually contact some sort of deity or Damon or whatever? Or do you think that he was just like, a 40 year old weirdo. That was role playing way too hard. You want to hear something insane? I had. Had, dude. Okay, so look, I had Dana Duda on the other night. She has a theory that Aquino is L. Ron Hubbard’s moon child because apparently he was in the same place when Aquino’s mom was in this place and they knew each other.

Scientology is involved and it’s something. The process is thrown. Okay, let’s say, let’s say all that’s true. Does that mean that Aquino was actually talking to real entities and demons? Are. Are you saying it in the sense of like, or was he just saying that and not really doing it? Or. I mean, to me it’s very binary. It’s. There’s no like middle ground here. Either you are literally summoning and talking to real objective entities outside of you, or you’re just going into a fan, a fantasy realm that you’ve created in your own mind and you’re talking to things inside your mind.

It’s either it’s in, happening inside your head or it’s happening outside your head. I mean, if he was like. And if he was doing these ceremonial rituals and he was invoking these, these, these deities, dude, especially Set, you know, I, I mean, he had Himmler’s dagger. He went to Himmler’s castle and. And was. Was able to secure his like, dagger he used in his like fuel or do you know, whatever. I don’t know what they exactly practiced, but in their rituals and like, so he had these like, talismans and these like, you know, these things that he was like, okay, so I mean, yeah, dude, I mean, like you said earlier, magic, you know, so do you think he really was doing some kind of real magic versus a guy that’s just going around the world collecting expensive trinkets? You have to look at this angle.

He did write Mind war, right? So is this his way of saying like, it’s actually. It’s really all in our heads and you know, you all can believe that we’re summoning demons and doing this and that. You know, I mean, it’s funny that you even mentioned the moon child thing, because the moon child would be related directly to L. Ron Hubbard in a way, even if he was just like a casual bystander or like, like a cuckold, essentially. But L. Ron Hubbard also had a similar trajectory. But instead of Temple of Set, he makes Scientology. And you can trace some of the, those origins back to sci fi stories that he was originally fleshing out.

So it was like, I read Some of those. Would it be worth it or did what? Dianetics. We’re gonna read Dianetics right now. Those are the sci fi stories. Oh, the. So, yeah, I would, I would suggest. I mean, I don’t think he was particularly great at writing science fiction or an audible. I think he was pro. I don’t even know if Dianetics was necessarily a great read, but he was very good at creating a cult and a religion. I think, I think that that was his calling, was understanding how to orchestrate and all the administrative tasks to it.

Like that was a job that was perfect for that one guy. There was nothing, I guess, running a corporation, but this is almost a level above running a corporation. And I would almost argue, I would probably argue that that’s a modern version of, of a Tulpa. A modern version of a Tulpa would be creating the Walmart Corporation or creating the Disney Corporation or, you know, Cisco. Much larger. Yeah, dude, yeah, yeah, yeah. That’s something, that’s something people do and don’t even know. Like through the meme magic, dude. You know, and like I said earlier, you know, you go and you go into Slender man, you know, I mean, he apparently didn’t exist.

You know, what do you say? What do you say, apparently? Well, because I think he may exist now. And those girls conjured him up. They sacrificed that, that little girl to him. Or did they, did the little girls do that? Or did someone come and take those little girls? You know, give. I think they did it, man. There’s a, there’s a pretty detailed first hand account of the girls of exactly what they did. They weren’t MK Ultra and she was just using some other ritual. No, I mean, if, if you look enough into that story. So here, here’s the truth of it, is that they, they lured their friend into a bathroom in like a secluded area and basically just jumped her and, and nearly killed her in this bathroom.

And then they bring her out into this field and they hurt her some more and they like leave her there for dead. But the, the girl, one of the girls that helped orchestrate this had a long family history of schizophrenia, like violent schizophrenia. Not just, you know, dementia or something. And that was maybe one of the explanations was that this schizophrenic girl came up with this entire thing in her head and then convinced one of her friends that the thing in her head was a real thing. And then, and, and then she basically like got her friends to go along and do this tragedy.

So I, I mean, I guess this is the question Right. Is the thing that the schizophrenic girl made up in her head. Did she make that real enough to her friend that now it’s an actual real thing? I don’t know, man. I think in that case, she just had a thought that was so strong that she gave the thought to her friend, and then the thought overpowered her friend’s mind, and now they were both on a mission to do something bad, but it. At no point was Slender man an objective reality outside their two brains. Yeah, that’s.

That’s very interesting. I mean, there’s. There’s been. There’s been. Dude, look, I’ve seen footage, all right? That’s all I’m saying. You go on YouTube, just type in Slender man footage and. Yeah, okay, for yourself. But I’ve done it, and I have judged for myself, and I’ve judged it all to be bs. Okay, well, maybe I’ll go and find them somewhere for you, Thomas. And I do. I mean, I do hate sometimes when it’s like, I have proof. Hold on. Let me send you this. Tick tock. Right? I know, I know. Yeah, it’s funny. Yeah, dude. I mean, you know, in theory, right? But so many people talk about them.

I guess the point here being that you can extrapolate Slender man all the way up to Jesus. Wow. Like, if that girl had convinced her whole town that Slender man was real, and then the town convinced all the neighboring towns of Slender man was real, it almost seems like the spread of any other religion that’s. That’s saying that some deity is real that they didn’t hear about the day before. Well, that’s. That’s actually something that’s been in discussion a lot right now on the timelines and in the. In. In the. In this kind of, you know, the conspiracy world, the truth or movement, whatever.

Is Jesus Slender man, or is Slender Man Jesus? I don’t know, dude. Slender Jesus? No, the whole CQ question of. Is the story of Jesus is. Is like, real? Or if it’s. You know, what’s cq? Christian question. What is this, like a. This is a new acronym to me. Yeah, yeah, dude. It’s something that’s like. Is this like a Twitter hashtag? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. So what. What is the Christian question? If. I think it’s just if Christ was real or if he was just a story to create a religion to control the gentiles.

Oh, so there’s like. There’s like a Jewish angle to it. Definitely. We’re just asking Questions here, but there’s a. Okay. And so it’s just like, okay, well, you know, I mean, I don’t know. It really depends. Where are you spiritually, dude? Because like I said, I’ve encountered things, right? I’ve encountered. I’ve encountered the Holy Spirit, and I understand these deeper meanings behind all this stuff, dude. Well, so this is a fairly. I think I understand what you’re talking about. I’ve never heard of the Christian question specifically, but the Christian question in that context, it’s. It’s almost the same, like, victim mentality that that group tends to pretend to be against.

But it’s like, look at this solar tale that was crafted into a story, into such a convincing mnemonic device that it’s controlling us. And then it’s like, now let me figure out whose fault this was. And it’s never like, oh, maybe we did this to ourselves. Maybe. Maybe we all fell into this. This habit. I think that’s kind of what they’re saying is like, you know, yeah, this. This was done to us, and. But of course, they. They blame, you know, the fall. You know, the fall of Rome and all of the pagan. All the pagan mysteries and all that stuff on Christianity, which, I mean.

Yeah, that. And, you know, just a way to, you know, just to enslave people to all worship Yahweh or whatever. That’s the thing now, you know, when you get into Yahweh, you got to ask, why is Yahweh on the Canaanite pantheon? Why is he the brother of Ball, son of L? You know, I mean, I think that it’s. That was like his rookie home team. Like, you’re finding his super old farm team rookie card, and not necessarily when he just became the most popular of everybody else. Right. He’s the Canaanite war God. So it’s like that.

I don’t know if that’s the creator of the universe, you know? I don’t know. Yeah, I mean, they’re all strained analogies because it’s such a huge. It’s like some people only know Beyonce, but then other people know that there was a Destiny’s Child before Beyonce. Right. But. Yeah, but you don’t. It’s not like it gives you any extra insight on anything, just knowing that you’ve got these older iterations of. Of somebody. Yeah, man. Yeah, like you said, I mean, I don’t know, dude. I think it’s just something that. I mean, I think if. I think people should talk about it at least, and I think they May, you know, they either will or won’t be more grounded spiritually in, in their faith, you know, but a lot of people don’t under, you know, they, they need.

I think they should learn more about these deeper, these deeper mysteries that you can find esoterically in, in these stories and text and. Yeah, well, let’s, let’s get a little less deep, a little more superficial. Hey, conspiracy buffs. I double dare you to take some pcp. The paranormal conspiracy probe. On your marks, get set and go. Okay, these ones don’t require long discussions. You’re just going to rate things from 1 to 10. So for example, we’re going to start out with dinosaurs. Rate dinosaurs one to ten. One being fake. Yeah. Two. How about dragons? Nine. So why, doctor, why do dinosaurs get a two when there’s fossils? And why do dragons get a nine when there’s no fossils? Because I question what they present to us and I don’t question what has, you know, been presented in ancient stories.

What is on, you know, the Chinese zodiac. And I mean when you look at some of these dinosaur. But some of these dinosaurs couldn’t have maintained like the same bone structure. And like, if anything, they had feathers, right? They were like big ass birds, dude. It’s the Jurassic park angle. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that’s what I think. But I do believe in dragons, dude. And I think that dragons are even ethereal. You know, they can come in and out of our reality at will. How about rate holy water from 1 to 10? 10. Do you think holy water would work if you stole.

This is a good question, dude. I mean, it really depends on how much you pray. Oh, you know, over that water, how, how good it’s holy. Like you go out and you go to whatever denomination that you accept and they bless, they create holy water. You’ve got it in a container, right? So you’re talking about if you, the stuff, you just go out and get holy water. If you believe in real holy water exists of any kind, let’s say you’ve got in a bottle, right? Yeah, I would have had to. Me and my wife would have had to create our own holy water.

Okay, let’s say you did that and now it’s in a bottle. If I steal it from you, is it still holy water? Possibly, yeah. If I murder someone with it, if I hit them over the head and I kill them with a bottle of holy water, is it still holy water? Has the water left the bottle? No, there’s no vibrate if, if the water in the bottle hasn’t like you know, didn’t spill on the, didn’t. I don’t know. I don’t know. It’s almost as if it’s in the bottle. It didn’t witness any of it happen. Like, well, the energy didn’t hit it because it was contained in the bottle.

Well, let’s, let’s say it’s hermetically sealed but it’s clear so the water can see itself murdering somebody. Okay. Yeah. I don’t know. Look. Yeah, okay. Okay, let’s get into. If you want to get into elementals and the attachment to that water, maybe if there is an elemental spirit attached to that water, it could persuade it to be a little more mischievous or you know, malevolent. Absolutely. How about a Bigfoot one at 10? Oh, 10. What about aliens? 10. But they’re not what they tell us. How about chemtrails? 10? How about HARP as mind control? Oh, dude.

Dude. Seven. I’d consider that. I’m gonna look into that. These are hot. These are high ratings. How about the theory of evolution? Two or three? I just, I don’t know. I think we are, we have a divine spark in us, so. Well, how about outside? Outside of humans, do you think evolution exists? Yeah, yeah. I think especially when you consider like psilocybin or something, any kind of like hallucinogen found in the wild and that being whoever, whatever it may be eats that. I definitely think it like its consciousness expands and it’s theory. What about, what about celebrity clones? 1 to 10? 10, 11.

Dude, like yes, absolutely. Who. What’s the most obvious example that celebrity clones are real? Joe Biden. Who’s, what’s the second best example? Man, he stumped me, dude, that’s. Let’s talk about Joe Biden. If are we talking that Joe Biden had a lookalike stand in or are we talking about a literal clone that somebody cloned Joe Biden? That, that’s a good question. I, I think more leaning, probably more towards the look alike standing. But like did he have a few of those or were those cloned? I don’t know. Well, let me, let me ask you this. Let’s say that there are clones.

It would almost. If you were to say Joe Biden had a clone, then the implication is that either they cloned Joe Biden as a baby and made sure that his clone also stayed in similar shape to him through 70 years or that they’ve got a way to clone a 70 year old person and then age them from embryo all the way up to 70 years. So that they’ll actually be a real clone and not just someone that looks like them 70 years later. Right. I don’t know what kind of technology they have, man. I mean, they’re 1,000 years ahead of us, it seems.

Not a thousand, maybe 100 with the stuff they have, you know, like, apparently the hoverboard has existed for like 20 years, like from Back to the Future. Hoverboard? Yeah. So where’s this at? Where did you hear about this? Don’t you dare link me to a YouTube video. I saw this. I saw this tick tock video. Apparently hoverboards are real. Is that what it is? It is. Okay, how about. How about frazzle drip 1 to 10, 9? How about the Law of Attraction or the Secret? Either. Or what’s. What’s. What’s the context on that? Just. Oh, this might.

This might be pre Covid. So it was like. There was a huge. There was a documentary called the Secret that blew up because I think it was on Oprah’s book club at some point in the late 2000s. And I believe it’s. It was kind of a lot of people’s first introduction to esotericism. And the Law of Attraction is like, attracts, like that if you do something that’s similar to the thing that you want, then you’ll get the thing you want. Like, it’ll manifest 10 if you just keep putting. Okay. And I think prayer, prayer can, you know, influence that.

Intention, prayer, perception. These are all things that matter, dude, where your mind’s at, you know, the mental plane. I’ve learned a lot about the elementals and how they pertain to not only us and our physical body, our mental body, you know, but, you know, the world around us. But they, you know, sylphs being the air, spirits pertaining to the mental plane, that being the highest or the most outward. Right. And, you know, so emotions, Well, I think emotions are also tied to water, represented by the mermaids or the. The undines. But it’s also, you know, our mental thoughts trigger emotions.

Right? So that mental being, the most important, needs to be, you know, needs to be. Be working properly. And if you don’t, you will live in fear of a lot of things. Like the word occult, dude. My mom had a friend that found me and watched me, and I think she found me through you or Donut even, but. Or no, it couldn’t have been you, but she saw me use the word occult in a title or maybe, you know, I used it not talking about it in a bad way or whatever. And she quit watching me and told my mom, you know, it’s because he’s into the occult.

And I’m just like, what? Like what? What the hell? Like. And my mom was like, I don’t think she knows what it means. And I was like, no, she doesn’t. My mom, My mom knows what it means. I explain. It just means hidden. Well, there were actual public service announcements in the 90s and 80s and 90s that would be shown on TV and given the parents that literally said like, your child might be into the occult. Make sure your kid’s not nation, dude. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And look, you know, it’s funny because they’re playing stuff about Judas Priest while Slayers back here making south of Heaven, you know what I mean? Merciful fates doing Satan’s Fall, which is.

It’s like 12 minute song. It’s actually pretty incredible. Talks about like crossing the abyss and all this stuff. It’s. I haven’t looked at it since I’ve been into the esoteric. That’s something we should do, Thomas, as a sound science. I don’t know, like metal episode. Like all like just me and you. I’m down for that. People would like that. Dude, I’ve had people ask me like when we’re doing them again. I don’t think they give a. If we have a guess, to be honest with you, I’m in for it. It’s. Yeah, it’s just another show that we just got to meet up and spend another few hours.

Maybe we can talk. Maybe we can sit down and talk about it sometime if you have some time and we can plan out the future maybe. Oh, the show. Not just of metal music. Well, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, you know, and just in, in general with, with the show, because I, I don’t want us to ever just stop doing it, you know, I don’t think we should. Well, yeah, there’s no plans on stopping. We got plenty of people that, that hang out. They’ll come and join the early YouTube stream and we bump it over to Rumble again.

So there’s something about jamming out with other people, dude. It’s like something you share with them. It’s, it’s. It’s a energy connection, man. I swear. Like, it’s, it’s something that, you know, you’ve, you’ve encountered it throughout your life. And me growing up playing music, it’s like, you know that feeling you get when, when you’re at a whatever and, and everyone in the crowd is, you know, either moshing or head Banging or stage walking or head diving, Head walking, whatever, you know, dude, like, it’s. I. I think I’m more interested in themes than guests, and sometimes having a guest helps dictate a theme.

And it also takes way less pressure off either of us to have all kinds of observations every week about music over and over again. You get, like, some new. But, like, there are some good things. Like, maybe a good theme would be music that, like, change politically or like. Like. Like what playlist would Rage against the Machine fit in? What playlist would, like, no effects fit in where it’s like, you grow up listening to it one way, and then 20 or 30 years go by, and now it’s like a. Like a political bias over. If you listen to this artist, then you have to vote or you have to think.

A Certain Life of Agony from New York. You know, the. The. All the songs are, you know, about manly struggles and, you know, struggling with emotion but being a man about it all. Then the guy 20 years later, you know, transes himself, and so now I can’t wear my Life of Agony shirt anymore. And why not? It’s like. Well, because the songs are meaningless. Is that true? Yeah, they still try to go out and play them and stuff. It’s like, dude, you can’t sing those songs. You know, talking about working 9 to 5 being overtime. Girls like.

Like, dude, no. Why not? Honestly? Why. Why not, though? Because the. The same person still went through those experiences and were able to communicate them in a successful way, regardless of where they’re at now. Like, I. Like, does that mean that the Matrix movies are all BS now, too? No, the mage, I think they had to put those out. I think that was part of some ritual maybe to awaken the mat. Dude, they. They. They do this thing where they awaken us subconsciously on certain levels, whether it’s through, you know, music, movies, art, whatever. Little by little.

Not how we do it. Like a full gray pill dump. Like, you open the whole dispensary up in a. And. And. And everyone just comes and gets, like, mouths full of gray pills. Like free gray pills for everybody. That’s what I kind of do. You know, we just. We go full into it. But no, it’s like this little bit of enlightenment a little bit at a time, you know, And I think that’s what that’s part of. So why just a little bit at a time, a little too much, and they start. Folks start to wake up.

Right? So I’m just. I’m curious now, though. Is this a revelation of the method thing. Like, they have to show you the poop and put your face into it for magical reasons or is it just because they’re doing it for fun or what? Maybe a little bit of both. Maybe more the first part, but in there. But then they get some kind of satisfaction out of it. So there’s the fun, you know? Well, so the. The way that I. I’ve had the magic version of Revelation of the Method explained, to me, it seems more like it’s a karmic system that they want to absolve themselves of karma so they can do a bad thing and not have bad things happen to them in return.

Yes. And that is also why they’ll go donate, like, millions of dollars to a charity, but then be involved in some sketch, you know, sketchy scandal with some underage kid. You know what I mean? Yeah. So does that. Does that mean that you believe in karma? Yes. Yes. I believe in a car. I believe in karmic consequences. How’s that sound? Not very good to a Catholic. Because I believe in absolution, which means that I can murder as many people as I want. And as long as I get my last rights read to me and I for.

And if I get forgiveness right before I die, then I don’t have to necessarily deal with the karma in the same way. Now, I think if you go out there and you are protecting your people, your community, your family, and you have to commit acts of violence, I think that that is that you die with honor. You know what I mean? I don’t know. I mean. Yeah, I know what you mean. I don’t know if I necessarily agree, because let’s say that just out of happenstance that you have to be the person that goes out and protects and has to, like, kill people for honorable reasons.

But that individual could also just be Patrick Bateman, that per. That person doing it. It could. Yeah. Like, where is that person mentally? I guess that would have to be, like, if someone was stoic about it, though, and at the end of, it was like, damn, that was. That was crazy. But I had to do it and then live the rest of their life and then died later on, like, you know, I don’t know. I think that would affect, like, I. I don’t think it would affect them. That. I don’t think it would negatively affect them.

So. So now, I mean. Oh, I’m just. We’re just doing thought experiments here. I don’t have, like, an agenda. I love this dude. I’m thinking, too, though, like, that same guy does that mean that if he was out there having the time of his life, he’s like, man, I love slitting these throats. I love putting necklaces of ears around my neck. This is the. I can’t believe I’m getting paid to do something that I love so much. That person now is. Is amoral or they have more karmic debt than the person doing the same things, but that doesn’t enjoy doing it.

It almost seems like the person that’s having to go through that and doesn’t enjoy all the murder they’re committing is living in hell. Whereas the person that’s going through it and enjoying the process and living in the moment that they’re almost out from the outside seen as amoral, but really, like, they’re living in their own personal heaven. So that, I don’t know, is like, they’re. Is there a karmic debt to pay? Like, when that guy is like. They’re like, bro, you were having way too much fun back then. Like now. Now you’re going to have to pay the consequences.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, no. Yeah, man. There may be something to that, dude. Maybe there is some kind of right or ritual that you go through to cleanse yourself. Like, yeah, but, you know, con confession, I don’t know. I think that’s just something that they give to us. Like, yeah, here you go. This is what you get. You know, I think it’s good to confess your sins. I think that’s good. Now you got to watch out. You never know who’s like a, you know, Jesuit agent. I know you said you’re a Catholic. I need to be careful.

You’re the Jesuit agent from. Hey, man. No, I mean, what’s. I don’t even understand what’s. What is the insult about being a Jesuit? Really care. I’ve been called it so much now it doesn’t matter. What would even. Let’s. Let’s say that somebody was offended by being called a Jesuit. Isn’t that only offensive? Compromised. Right? Because then I’m compromised. Then I’m cooked. Then I’m Illuminati confirmed. You know, I don’t. I don’t know. I don’t understand. I honestly don’t understand that. Because the Jesuits are the ones that compromise other people. They’re the ones that work themselves into an institution and make it bend to the will of the Catholic Church, essentially.

Right. Or at least the old school Jesuits, so. Or at least to, like, their specific little sex. No, man, I’m not trying to bend any wheels, but you Know. Yeah, no, I. I don’t know. I don’t know. Well, you know, you said, like, the, The. The offense would be that if someone calls you a Jesuit, it means that you’re compromised, but that means, like, that you’ve been compromised by other Jesuits and that you’ve been put into this high position of power that you’re in. I mean, someone saying that, like, hey, you know, you. You’re not being truthful about what you’re saying, you’re compromised.

You’re. You’re a part of this, you know, and that’s not. Yeah, that’s. That’s not true. I think we all know that’s not true. I think it’s more believable that I’m your apprentice than that being true. But, yeah, I mean, I feel like the. The Jesuits would just represent academia. Anyone at all that goes through an academic system is indirectly affected and shaped, like, literally manipulated and shaped by the Jesuit system. So we’re all kind of. Unless you dropped out in second grade, then. Yeah, I think that you’re kind of a Jesuit. Or maybe not. Maybe that’s the reason.

Why is this second grade? Why is the second grade? Well, because if you get to the third grade, then you’re fully into the system. You’ve been through the first three. That’s funny you say that, because second grade is usually seven years old, and that’s when most clairvoyancy is cut off if it’s not accessed by certain children. So. Right. And then you get. Then you get to the third degree, which is the third grade. Yo, Thomas, what the hell? Dude, that’s wild. Sorry, I just spazzed out that. That blew my mind. Well, because earlier when I was saying, like, have you been through an initiation ritual? Even if you don’t realize it, guarantee you that if you got picked on in middle school, that was a hazing ritual.

That was a. An actual institutional hazing initiation. Right. And instead of having black kids in the bathroom. Well, instead of having the three degrees, though, you’ve. You’ve got grade school, middle school, and then high school. Right. Like, those are kind of the first three degrees that you go through. And when you enter each of those different inner mystery schools, they each have their own initiation rights and hazing rituals. Like every single one of those steps does. Yeah, that makes sense. Is. Is most of society like that? I would assume that it’s fractal. Right. So that if you’ve got an initiation, secret mystery school.

Right. Then the fractal nature of everything would mean that corporations would follow that, clubs would follow that, family dynamics would follow that, that. It’s just the same exact pattern that’s being repurposed structure. Right. Okay. I guarantee you now I’m gonna notice it more. Well, yeah, so that’s, that’s the Jesuit teaching for the day, if anyone wanted to get their, their 100 daily recommended dosage of Jesuit philosophy. I appreciate it, brother. Well, let’s, let’s do plugs. We already plugged the hell out of sound science, so you can go on Rumble and find sound signs. Maybe we’ll link a playlist or something in the comments, if we remember.

But you also got your own podcast. You go on a whole bunch of other podcasts. You’ve got a Patreon. You’ve got all kinds of, like, what other projects you got going on. Do all your plugs. All right, man. Well, we’re putting up. We’re kind of putting a pause on Elohim Etymologies right now with Adrian. He is expecting a kid, so we love him and we await his return in the spring, hopefully. So I’m not putting that show on, on a hiatus, but I am coming back to it because I think when I do come back to it, I will have a whole different, like, I’ll have a whole new, you know, facet of knowledge, like, to add to it, you know, so I’m stoked for that.

I, I, I do a show called Rustic Gods with Headless Giant. That’s tomorrow. I think I’m doing it tomorrow. We usually do it every week. It’s just us talking about he’s a Hellenistic pagan, and so he’s real big into the Greek gods. And so learning, like I said, learning from that point of view is very interesting for me. Like, I already know what I, I first thought of them as fallen angels and all that, but when you learn about, like, a little deeper into what they represent, it’s kind of like, wow, you know, I don’t know.

It’s different. The pantheons, the Semitic pantheons are very different than the European pantheons. I’ve noticed that, too. Some of the symbolism is the same. It kind of carries on through Egypt. But, you know, the further north you get, I guess it kind of changes because the, the, the droughts came from Scandinavia, I think, originally the Druids, you know, which just meant oak. But anyway, plugs, so. And then I have, I was gonna say I have a couple shows next week. I don’t know when you’re gonna put this out, so, I mean, yeah, you can book with Me on cat on calendly.com Graypill podcast finally got one of those set up.

So should I just put a link to your calendar in the description? Anyone that wants to come on can just click it. Yeah, dude. Okay. Yeah, yeah. And so, you know, there’s. There’s that now. So I have a few shows the next few weeks. Besides that, man, I mean, I’m uh, you know, trying to think. My wife, she’s doing Babylon and I’m also trying to start something. Well, I have esoteric book review that we do on Patreon that’s every Saturday. And I did a total analysis of Twin Peaks on that was on Patreon as well. We did the last few episodes publicly, but most of it was on Patreon.

Been wanting to do that for a while, so finally did that. Been talking about that since day one. You should have talked about that. So that have been cool. But. But yeah, dude, just working right now on just making. Making new designs kind of play on words off stuff that we’re talking about. And you know, just. I. I don’t really. Me and I have a debate show that I’m going to be doing with my buddy Conspiracy Extremist and a few other people. I think we’re going to be doing it. We were talking about it. I quit doing my Sunday night show.

I’m still doing Cryptid watches every now and then. And my deep dives that I’m doing on Gray Pilled did part two on the Green man the other night. That was fun. I used to do a lot more solo deep dives. I’m gonna start doing those again. But yeah, if people want to support the show, they can go to patreon.com graypill podcast lots of tears over there. The esoteric book reviews go straight to there. Afterwards we stream them live and then we cut them to just private links from the Patreon. Excuse me, from. From the Patreon watch parties as well as sticker packs and you know, link to the Discord and group chats and early the.

We were doing early releases on the Elohim Etymologies which will come back and I’m gonna have some guest episodes on there as well. Good way to support the show. But, uh, yeah, uh, follow me on Twitter at Grayfield Pod, Instagram, grayfield underscore podcast, YouTube, Spotify, Apple Podcasts. Rumble Rumble is where I stream most of my content to. Like we said, that’s where the sound sciences go to. Hopefully you got a lot more of those coming as well. And yeah, yeah. Go to paranoidamerican.com discount/gray pilled to get 15 off your purchase. If you’ve made it this far into the episode, then you, you’ve earned the 15 off.

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