Idaho Murders: Why EVERY TikTok Theory Was WRONG

➡ The text discusses a series of popular true crime documentaries about the Idaho Student Murders. The authors review three films, each with a different perspective: one focusing on the victims’ families and friends, another on the work of online detectives, and the last on the mainstream media’s coverage. They critique the speculation and conspiracy theories that arise from these documentaries and the online community, noting that none of the theories panned out. The authors suggest that these documentaries often stretch out content for dramatic effect, and they aim to consolidate the best parts of all the films.
➡ The text discusses the dangers of online sleuthing, focusing on a murder case involving four college students. It highlights how online detectives, driven by speculation and gut feelings, can spread misinformation and potentially harm innocent people. The text also contrasts this with the professional police investigation, which used forensics and factual evidence to identify the real culprit. It ends by discussing the potential consequences of such online investigations, including the possibility of restrictions being imposed on such activities.
➡ The article discusses the impact of social media, particularly TikTok, on news reporting and crime investigations. It highlights how TikTokers, without the need to verify sources, can make wild claims and accusations, potentially influencing public opinion and even the course of investigations. The article also points out the disparity between the followers of these influencers and traditional news reporters, suggesting a shift in how news is consumed. Lastly, it criticizes the trend of creating content around events without fully understanding them, yet acknowledges its own role in this cycle.
➡ The text discusses the impact of various documentaries and the rise of conspiracy theories. It highlights how some documentaries unnecessarily stretch their content, while others fail to focus on the victims. The text also emphasizes the influence of social media platforms like TikTok in spreading theories and the credibility gained by influencers who visit crime scenes. Lastly, it points out that the real treasure is understanding the ripple effect of these events and the growing trend of sensationalism over truth.
➡ The text discusses the phenomenon of “Cyber Sleuths,” ordinary people who become online detectives, often gaining large followings. The author mentions a few cases, including the disappearance of a Malaysian flight and the Idaho student murders, which have attracted these amateur investigators. The author also discusses the future of media, suggesting that this trend of armchair detectives will continue to grow. Lastly, the author promotes Paranoid American’s sticker sheets, which feature various conspiracy theories and mysteries.

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Yeah. And. And this one we actually bit off a lot. And we’re gonna do you a public service. We’re gonna consolidate. I want to say, like, 12 hours. It felt like at least 12 hours worth of different videos and documentaries and series and just tell you the best parts of all of them combined. Yeah, this is definitely a public service lifting a lot of weight. Like, I know some people love these things, but, man, it is exhausting the way these true crime people milk every little at last ounce of content. They’re like, hey, check out this little video that we kind of just seen.

It doesn’t really mean anything, but, yep, this one’s gonna get a little bit meta too. We’re gonna go with One Night in Idaho, the College Murders, a 2025 film directed by Liz Garbus, narrated by Liz Garbus, and it has stars, a bunch of the family and the friends. This one kind of focuses on the perspective of the family and friends and their thoughts on what happened. Kind of like. And. And some of the other people that were not maybe friends but associated with the case. Then we got Cyber Sluice, The Idaho Murders, 2024, directed by Lewis Jordan, streaming on Paramount.

This one’s more from the perspective of a slime cyber Sleuther, which, if you don’t know what that is. I did not know what that was. I did know what it was, but I never heard the term. It’s basically all the people on Tick Tock that are solving all the crimes for us, and they’re the new news, you know? And then the last one we got is the Idaho Student Murders, 2025 film directed by Catherine Park. And this one kind of more focuses on the. The mainstream, the way the news broke down and everything kind of like, fell together.

So we decided to do all these three. Well, first, I will admit that it was kind of mine, like, yeah, let’s just do the auto murders. And then, like, I picked these titles and not Knowing that their true crime is a whole different beast and that there would be episodes. So this was like Paranoid said this was a marathon, plotting the course on this one, getting the claims. It’s not like, you know, watching the Money Masters or Loose Change where like there’s so much information. There’s a lot of information here, but a lot of it is more speculation and, and perspective.

So I’m going to kind of pin each one together, each of these films. I’m going to start with the one night in Idaho, the College murders. This, this film that I said earlier focus more on the family, like the, how, how they felt about it. There was the father, Steve of one of the girls that was very like adamant and being out there like in the, like, you know, in the news world, like trying to make ways. But this focus on other family members and associated. One of the claims that they do make in this though is like victim profiling.

Like they, they speak of this like victim profiling where they pick them out for how they look and, and who they were and that this was a while like somebody stalking them. Right. That somebody was at every move, knew where they were going, knew their accounts and they put this perspective out there that this was known. And, and again, these are theories from the family and friends and the inner circles. So you’re getting a lot of speculation and, and if you’ve ever dealt with death or sudden death or anything like that, you know that people are looking to, for someone to blame.

And, and that’s what you get a lot in this. This one was the four part series, I believe. Yes. So this one, it was, it was interesting. I would say that this particular version, if you want to get the most clean cut mainstream media, official narrative version, this is the one to watch. Even though it probably could have been two parts, it probably could have been like an hour and a half, but because it’s a TV series, it kind of stretched it out a little bit and it’s sort of separated out into the first one. It’s all about the family and the victims.

And then they slowly start getting into the actual court case. And then the fourth one was actually kind of interesting to me. So the fourth one was talking about the aftermath. And we mentioned one of these other series we watched was Cyber Sleuths, where in this version, this four part mainstream version, the fourth episode is talking about the aftermath of having those cyber sleuths out there in the world where after the court case was a set. I mean, all three of these take place before the court case. Ended. That was earlier this year in 2025. You got thing got like four life sentences and there was a plea deal.

So it technically didn’t really get any more information out there. So all of these documentaries were put together before that court case had even been settled. And. And even when that happened, I think he’s got four counts of life. He’s never coming out on parole or anything. But in the fourth episode of this series, they’re talking about how even though it was a done deal and everyone figured that he was going to jail for life and they got the guy that there was all this speculation that, well, maybe it was actually more than one person, maybe her friends were in on it.

Maybe all these other sort of loose ends, they just never go away. And that was an interesting take. And it’s really cool how we kind of put all these together, because if you watch this one and then going into Cyber Sleuth, you kind of get that, like, extra part. It starts to pick up where the last one dropped off. And it’s weird because that Cyber Sleuth was actually made before that one. But then there’s a lot of speculation. Like this. This movie, One Night in Idaho, has been like fire on Tik Tok, where there’s all kinds of speculations where people are talking about the town is in on it there, that it’s a secret society.

Like, you know what I mean? Like the. The grubhub truck, where they’re like, focusing on the film of that. So it’s. It’s all these little twists and like, it’s crazy because if I watch the film, so, like, seeing all these Tik Tok stuff, and then when you watch, like, the series, it’s not as prevalent as the people on Tik Tok are making it seem, right? Like, they see one clip or one thing that somebody says, and. And then they’re like, oh, my God. Yeah, that’s right. Like, this is. And I thought it was strange because this is a mainstream thing, and all these mainstream people are kind of like, on this, like, yeah, it’s like a secret society thing.

And I’m like, what? Like, hey, man, that’s. Stay out of our backyard, bro. Well, that was a. That’s the big thing too. When now when the word Cyber Sleuths comes up, and I think it was in that Cyber Sleuth series, they kind of admit that they’re conspiracy theorists, but it’s. It’s conspiracy theory light. It’s that you pretty much go on all the official reports and you Just try and piece together what they’re not giving. And one of the. One of the interesting ones you’re talking about with the food truck, they’ve. The last known footage of some of these victims in the Idaho murder was from a food truck parking lot, I guess.

And it was grainy, and it’s like a. A fixed angle, and you can’t really tell a whole lot. There’s this one part where a guy in a hoodie is, like, maybe trying to spit game at these girls, and it doesn’t go well, and they walk off, and he kind of, like, makes a, like, hey, what the. Like, gesture to him. And since that’s literally the only evidence, like, very, very sparse evidence that the police has given to the public, it’s the only part that gets out. So all these cyber sleuths are just nitpicking, like, this one video, as if, like, this video has to be the key.

It’s got to have the killers in these frames somewhere. And it just. I mean, spoiler alert. None of that was true. Like, none of the cyber sleuthing panned out a single thing. There was even one part where I think the chief of police came out to kind of thank everyone. And then there was, like, this pain in his voice because he’s like, y’ all want to thank the community’s help so much. Your 19, 000 tips were very amazing, but, like, the way that he says it, it was, you know, that those 19, 000 tips was just noise, and they didn’t want to have to deal with any of that.

And in Cyber Sleuth, they follow pretty much three big ones. There’s a bunch of, you know, like, Tick Tock accounts. And I. I’m sure people are like, yeah, look, I’m on that movie. Like, I mean, there’s a ton of them, but the three that I, like, wrote down was Chronicles of Olivia Bullhorn Betty, which is a. A great name. Like. Like, that one cracked me up as soon as I heard that. And then this Jenna Canela, right? Going back to what you’re talking about, the theories I want to bring about the Jenna one where she was like, yeah, if I can’t figure it out, I’ll call my godfather.

And then they’re talking on the phone, and then she. Again, she’s putting this out there on Tick Tock. On Tick Tock and stuff, and she’s just like, yeah, it was pro. My godfather, who was ex. I don’t know. She didn’t say FBI, but she said some kind of like agency, she ensued that he was with the biz. And then he’s just like, yeah, it sounds like domestic to me. And she’s like, yep, me too. Like, they’re all like, locked in on it. Crime of passion. Gotta be a crime of passion. That cracked me up because then they were just going after the ex boyfriend and now they’re ruining these people’s lives.

So it was interesting to see the perspective on cyber sleuths, because you have the cyber sleuths like Olivia and the Blowhorn, Betty and Jenna, where they’re talking and defending their stances. Like the. Jenna’s like, I’m gonna say what I say. I’m unfiltered. Like. Like, you know what I’m saying. My truth is my truth. That kind of person. And then, you know, Olivia and Bloho, Betty, they seem like they’re trying to do good, but they push these avenues and they don’t. They don’t fact check themselves. They don’t. They don’t vet anything. So there’s just like, yeah, this guy said that a guy in a hoodie may have killed them, so.

And followed them from the grub truck. And they’re like, yep, I’m on it. And then they’re putting it out there. So this film kind of dissects the. The dangers of this. And it was. It was weird for me to look at this film and being like, oh, yeah, maybe misinformation isn’t the greatest. You know, the one with Bullhorn Betty. There was a particular point when the police actually come out and, like, we’ve got the suspect. And actually, let me just do a really quick recap for anyone that doesn’t know anything beyond Idaho murders. Here’s kind of like the who, what, why and where, right? So the who’s is that there was four victims.

It was Madison or Maddie Mogan, Kaylee Conglavis, Zanna Kernadle, and Ethan Chapin. So these four different college students, they get killed and there’s kind of a manhunt. No one knows who did it for a little while. And the police are being really quiet about it. It spawns all this speculation and. And then finally they announced that they found Brian Christopher Coburger. And just to be clear, Coburger was not on the radar of any of the cyber sluice of anything in the media. This was just something that the police had found out and they were almost immediately on it.

They had DNA. They were like tracking this dude. Like, they kind of already knew who they were going after, despite the rest of the world, adding all this noise into the equation, it was a. A mass stabbing in a place called Moscow. They pronounce it a little bit differently. I’m calling it Moscow. I don’t care. And that these. These victims basically had just entered high school. I think they were away for, like, eight to ten days or something. Like, they had just got out of high school, went into college, and they’re victims of this murder. And long story short, mainstream media explanation of the why is that Brian was an incel.

He was frustrated by not having a girlfriend for his whole life and being, like, weird, awkward. They even have an interview in one of these series with his ex, like, lab partner in school. The guy’s like, yeah, he didn’t really know how to act like a human. Like, so it was kind of a. Like, once that that came out, this dude was just like, oh, yeah, I totally get that. Yeah, Brian. Yeah, that makes sense now. So that those are the different things actually came out. So what I was gonna say, the interesting part is that we see kind of in real time when Bull Betty Bullhorn sees that, they announced that, oh, it’s this guy, Brian Coburger.

She’s like, oh, he doesn’t look like he would have done, like, like, already. Her reaction is, is proof that she would have just passed him by. Like, oh, no, he doesn’t look like he would have done that. Like, she would have started going at the boyfriend again. So it kind of emphasized, like, that particular dynamic of whatever their gut feeling was. This is how they’re doing all their investigation. Meanwhile, police are, like, actually using forensics, and you have all these people making accusations and claims based on very minute, like, actions. Like you said, the guy throwing his hand up or like, hey, that’s kind of weird.

I’m still convinced that that guy’s actually the real murderer. Yeah. And nothing you could say changes their mind. And it. It kind of gets to me because it’s like, look, man, you guys aren’t even looking at the real conspiracy here. Like, to me, the. The conspiracy would be like, oh, that’s interesting that the guy that is involved in this is an incel. The thing they’ve been going after. But no, they’re like, no, it must be the boyfriend or must be this. There’s even theories online that people think that it’s the cartels were involved because they were talking about how this was a drug house and that, like, they had parties.

And you’re like, bro, they’re in college. Yeah, Every. Every good party house is also a drug house in college. It’s like the same thing. That’s the part that gets me is where I’m like, dude, what do you mean? Like they’re like, oh man, can you believe they were partying? Like, yeah, they’re like 18, like 21 year olds. Like, don’t, don’t act like you weren’t partying. I was definitely doing that. Like, so I don’t see anything of it, but they’re trying to make it like a cartel thing. Like I’ve had people like, I know people that like follow these cases and they’ve had many discussions with me where they’re like, it must be this, it must be that.

And like I’m like, if it was the cartels bro, you would, you would at least see one decapitated head, bro. Like, you know what I mean? It’s not going to be just a stabbing. And I think that the cyber sleuth, I really got involved in that one because I liked the aspect of like, I guess because I’ve had, I’ve been in this world of I know people that are watching these tick tocks and they’re telling me these theories and they don’t look up anything, they don’t check into it, they don’t fact check themselves, they don’t vet any of the information information.

They just go off of like, whoa, yeah, like this guy was like, yeah, I read the court case. It looks like he’s gonna get off, you know, he’s gonna, he’s gonna run away. And, and you saw like these characters which I didn’t know of. I didn’t know the Olivia Bohol, Betty and Jenna and all them. And now I’m like, oh, these are the people that are feeding the information. Because then know there’s the top of them, the top charts and then there’s probably ones that take the information from them. You know how social media works. So it was an eye openening experience for me and being like, oh, okay, that like I see the danger in it.

And I also, one thing I got from that film is on my conspiratorial radar. It was like, oh, this is how they’re going to take away us doing this. You know what I mean? They’re going to limit what we can do by showing like, look, they got the look, they’re harassing this guy. It goes the same thing with the people versus Alex Jones. It got me into that same mindset of they’re going to use this against us. Well, I, I got a, a equal Conspiracy. But it’s a little opposite of that because in the cyber sluice one they really drill in the difference between Tik Tok cyber sleuthing versus mainstream media.

And that’s that mainstream media actually has licenses to uphold and they’ve got like contractual obligations that if they do something that’s false that leads to some kind of damages. Now the entire organization, this global corporation is going to be liable and it could lose access to all these different apps. Like basically they could go out of business and hurt the entire corporation versus this one individual Tick tocker. And they even show the Tick tockers are very aware that what they’re doing is potentially defamation or it could be on the line. So one of them like really sort of annoyingly just inserts allegedly allegedly every time there’s like a clip, he’ll just splice in a version of him saying that.

And they’re, they’re self aware because all of them are like, oh yeah, like a news reporter can’t say what we’re saying. They have to weigh, they have to vet their sources. We don’t have to do that. I can just fly up on the scene and start making opinions and no one can stop me. Like it’s my right to do that. And like I’m, I guess I’m a free speech absolutionist in a way. So I do believe that my conspiracy theory is that the mainstream media also knows and, and they’re not frustrated as much because they even have interviews with mainstream media reporters that are like, oh yeah, these kids can just fly out and make the most wild accusations.

Like I’d lose my job if I did that. I’d lose my credentials, I’d ruin my career. They don’t like they’re building their careers doing this stuff. But my first thought was like, oh, so these are the useful idiots of the mainstream media. Wants a certain narrative to go a certain way. Now you could just approach these tick tockers that would otherwise be doing like instant noodle, like in like ramen commercials and makeup commercials. Now they’ll just take money directly from the mainstream. And the reporters are like, hey, you want to be a real reporter? Here’s this story, here’s the, this lead I got you knowing that if I just send this idiot on a wild goose chase in a certain city and they can start conjuring up all these crazy theories and now the mainstream can report on what they’re saying without the media itself being the one to make those claims.

It’s a very nuanced but I can’t see a reality when that’s not already happening right now. Like someone out there was like, I can make a few million dollars doing this. And done. Oh easy. And then the funniest to me though part is they’re going to be telling you serious stuff and they’re like putting makeup on or like you’re like come on man, like give me a little bit of, of act serious at least pretend at least the news even though they’re lying to me or, or just saying random stuff, at least they like try to put on a show that like oh yeah, you’re believable.

Like these people baby in the background. It’s not for us though, man. This, this is literally for a different generation coming up. And this is the one part and that I think I really liked about the, the cyber sleuths one is that it the, you never get the viewpoint of the director. It’s shot from all these different people’s viewpoints and it’s edited together really well. But I, I get this feeling when they’re showing the Tick Tock cyber sluice and they’re sort of like, look, our generation’s got short attention spans. We, we consume media in a certain way and the way that it’s stated so matter of factly, it’s like this is a generational trait that you’re just kind of have to deal with old timers like, like deal with it.

I can only look at something for 90 seconds without losing focus. You’re gonna have to cater to that. And it’s a, it’s a wild mentality, but it’s real. It’s not like, oh, maybe there’s something wrong with me that I can’t focus on something for more than 90 seconds. Maybe I should fix that part of myself. But instead it’s like outside world, you better deal with me. We’ve all got 90 second attention span. And the more insidious part is that rightfully they’re basically saying like this is the new media. You can fight it all you want, you can complain about it, you can try and sue individuals.

But this is now how news works. And if there’s ever ongoing crime investigations, this is not going away. And even, even if they wanted to like ban it, what are you going to ban? All of social media just so people can’t, you know, theorize on stuff. And then they can just be like, allegedly. And then we got, let’s touch a little bit on the Idaho student murders and don’t get these confused because like the cyber suit, at least you see that. So it kind of throws a. There’s like three or four different series and documentaries that are like Idaho Student Murders, like a different variation of this one.

This one to me like really stuck with like the actual. Same as the, the first one, the One Day in Idaho, like the mainstream narrative, but they focus more on like how it unfolded as far as the news wise. Right. You’ve seen a lot of like how it. And, and then they kind of go with the student activist. The film. The. The film connects like the victims and the activism and their potential threats to powerful interests. Like implying a motive rooted in conspiracy. They have a little. This, this actual event, not. The films did kind of like make people that I would never expect be conspiratorial, right.

Like talking about things that we would talk about or points maybe we would bring up. And now I’m seeing a lot of that and, and the same thing in this where a lot of it focuses on the failures of the Moscow Police Department, right? That. The Moscow Police Department. What. In all three of these series, like, there’s a lot of like dogging on the Moscow Police Department of like, hey man, they’re. They’re a small town. They don’t got enough people. There’s two detectives. You know what I mean? Like, they can’t. It’s too big of a case.

They. They don’t know what they’re doing. And I think that the cyber sluice fit both of these films together for me because they both kind of like hint at it. But I think a lot of this case was affected not just by Moscow being a small police department. I think they did mess up in my own personal opinion, that they did mess up some of the handling of things, but also this onslaught of like new media tik tok people making wild claims did not help this case whatsoever. Yeah, the, the. That again, that line of like, thank you for your 19000 tips.

It was just like. It was not a thank you. The way that I heard it. It was kind of like, geez, you guys really made this one hard on us. And then also I just, I had some quotes that I had to write down that when this concept came up where they were talking to the, the Tick tock cyber sluice about, hey, how do you feel like you fit in with mainstream media or whatever. Why. And this is true, why do you have 400 times the followers? Like the, like an influencer’s got 2 million followers and then the actual news reporter that’s reporting on this that’s got an actual reporter.

It’s not like I’m not appealing to authority here, but just the person that does check their sources and does have to spend time. They got like 30,000 followers, maybe 6,000 or something. So the, the disparity between these two and the TikTokers are saying things like social media has taken over the game and that we’re just playing the same game. Like they keep using this word game. And I, and I think that that’s valid. Like that’s kind of what this type of like a, like a murder mystery that’s going on. It almost turns into a game of who can solve it or who can make the most compelling content.

And then I start getting, here’s the meta part where I’m like, man, it’s kind of sickening how they just make content non stop over stuff they got no idea about. But here’s how it really works, right? Like the event happens, then the mainstream covers it that like the Tick Tockers are not discovering the murder scene, right? So it hits the mainstream media. Then Tick Tockers cover what the mainstream media is leaving out. And then we’ve got this series is the mainstream media covering the Tick Tockers which got their news from the mainstream media. And now here’s us talking about that whole chain of events which in itself is also content creation.

So I mean it’s, it’s like a meta frustration where I want to condemn this whole angle, but also I’m adding on to it knowingly and I understand the irony of that. The Tick Tock food chain. All right, let’s get to Hidden Treasures and overboard moments. To me, like there is like a lot of overboard in all these things in these type of films in crime, true crime in general, because it’s so traumatized I, I get like it’s specified for a certain type of audience. Like the way true crime is broken down, right? Like there’s like a lot of like heartfelt moments and crying and like telling the story of where you’re just like, oh man, like, I can’t believe that happened.

Like, kind of like when we’re talking about the Alex Jones one as well, where they’re. The first 15 minutes of that movie, we were like, oh my God, bro, I’m gonna have to turn this off. Like there’s a lot of that in this. I would say more. In the one day in Idaho there was a lot with the family and you, you know that you get some of those. Oh man, I feel Bad for you, because obviously you put yourself in those positions. But I think, like, for me, the hidden treasures were just, like, all the conspiracies that were able to come out of this, like, from little segments.

Like, there’s like, after. Like, before we did this whole thing, I was looking on Tik Tok. I was looking on YouTube and looking on Twitter. And that’s where I got the idea to see these things is because I’m like, oh, man, people are coming up with crazy conspiracies of, like, the grubhub. Like, people are at, like, the grubhub thing, the little truck, and they’re like, look at how they’re watching their phones. Maybe they’re watching them, unalive them. And, like, maybe it’s like, this whole, like, secret fight club thing or. Secret. You’re like, what, bro? Like, dang, you guys are wild.

Like, so to me, the real hidden treasure is the ripple effect of what has caused from this event and how. You said the food chain works now, right? In the. In the media food chain. It is now, like, just getting bigger and bigger of, like, what wild thing can I think of? It’s not even if it’s true or not. It’s like, can I shock you? Can I tell you something that you’d go, oh, my God. And instead of like, let’s check it out. Like, maybe this is just a theory. Because they keep saying in these films, like.

Like, the one Tik Tocker is like, it’s just a theory. And I’m like, okay, bro, like, pump the brakes on that. Like, you can have theories, but you’re just throwing things out there. And it’s just like, real world consequences. So that, to me, is the hidden treasure. It’s. And it’s also overboard moment because it’s like, hey, that’s kind of scary that people are running wild with little theories. Like, there’s literally people I know that are like, yeah, they. They were all watching their. They’re like, look at how they’re on their phone. I’m like, you mean in 2025? Well, it was 2022 at the time, but still, at the time, everybody has a cell phone, and everybody’s looking at their cell phone all the time.

It’s not that uncommon to see drunk people after coming from a club or a bar, meeting up at a food place. They’re in their little pockets of friend groups and they’re on their phones. It’s not uncommon, especially with the youth. Why? Why are you covering for them? Are you part of that secret society that they’re all in that watches snuff films out in the open at food trucks. There’s another thing too that they don’t this out of these three different documentaries. Let me just start with Overboard. I think that actually makes more sense for me. So the Overboard is the exact same for all three of these.

They’re all at least twice the length that they needed to be. All right, so One Night in Idaho, the four part series that could have been an hour and a half long documentary. They do a decent job of stretching it out, but it didn’t need to be stretched out. But at least each of those episodes is a little bit standalone where they each focus on a completely different aspect of the case. I would say overall that’s probably the better of the three if you actually care about knowing what this case is about and just getting some kind of resolution for it.

The Cyber Sluice one is probably my favorite out of the three overall. But it doesn’t necessarily. You don’t really learn anything about the victims. You is if you watch only Cyber Sluice, you would think that just like one girl died, like a pretty girl in college died and the other three people are like, oh yeah, they were in the background too. They might have died. See, we don’t really know. But it really focuses on the Tik Tok personalities. It doesn’t really focus on the case, it doesn’t focus on the victims, none of that. And if you were trying to understand the case, I wouldn’t recommend the Sliver sluice.

But if you already know about the case, you don’t care about the case and you want more of like a mirror style documentary, like here’s what we’re doing to ourselves. It’s, it’s really good for that. The Idaho College murders, which is the only one that was actually just a single documentary and not a series. It was short. I think this was on HBO Max. Although it’s weird, it’s. It’s edited and cut as if it were going to be on network tv. Like they come to hard little pauses where you could be like, oh, commercial would probably go right here, right? Even though that one’s only like 40 or 50 minutes and it’s by itself.

It also didn’t have to be as long as it was. And honestly I would not recommend that one for anyone. You know, you get such a surface level, superficial understanding of the whole case that it’s not worth it. So either go all the way out with one night in Idaho to learn about the case and, or cyber sluice in order to like, figure out like, like how the world reacted to this case. And I would say the hidden treasure is probably that in the cyber sluice where we are getting like a really detailed insight of how the future is going to be like, this is, it’s prophetic.

It’s. I almost was like, this is police state 2000 pre 911 where Alex Jones is watching this stuff and like, man, it’s going to get real bad if like X, Y and Z happens. And we’re kind of seeing this in real time. This is going to be like a snapshot. So I, I really appreciate that part of it. And here’s one of the things that doesn’t necessarily come up. And I think that it’s because the people making these documentaries know how effective this trick is and they don’t want to be the magician that reveals all the tricks, a lot of the credibility for like Bullhorn Betty or all these other influencers that show up, they go on location, they’ll actually get in a car, they’ll get on a, a plane and they’ll fly to ground zero where this is happening and then record whatever their, their theories are and just the fact that they’re actually there.

There’s this, there’s this interesting dynamic, right? If you’re watching someone and they’re in front of the crime scene and you know that they don’t live there and they flew in from there, you’re like, well, they wouldn’t have gone through all without doing like research, right? So it affords you this extra level of authority. That’s how the man on the street interview stuff works. It’s like the person holding a microphone out on the city street and out, you know, like on the beat. You. You’re kind of like, oh, they know what they’re doing, otherwise they wouldn’t be out there on the street with a microphone recording themselves.

And that feeling, it actually conveys authority to the crazy theories that they’re coming up with. And, and the reason why I think it doesn’t get focused is because professional journalists do this exact same thing. If they just go on location and record something, you’re like, oh, they wouldn’t have gone out here without doing their homework first. You’re absolutely right, man. That’s that. Now that you say that, because it reminds me of this time, like when I first was doing podcasting, like I think a year or two, whatever, and me and my buddy were hanging out and these girls came over there and they were saying, somehow it got brought up.

I did a podcast or like, oh, it’s on Apple and Spotify. And I’m like, yeah, anybody can put it on there. Like, you know what I mean? But it, it gets you an insight into the mind of how people think. They’re like, wow, it’s on Apple. Like, they don’t realize. Like, you can, like there’s a format of how you get accepted, of where you go to RSS.com or Red Circle or whatever. They don’t. And then you don’t. You, you get that epiphany of like, oh, people don’t know this information, right? If you get yourself a 69 round trip ticket with Southwest or Frontier, Spear, whatever it is, to the latest crime story and just record yourself saying nonsense and then fly back the next day or even that same day, then you probably get more traction and credibility out of that eighty dollars, a hundred dollars after taxes than you ever would like boosting or promoting your story on Instagram or TikTok or whatever, right? So, I mean, it’s not like they’re doing anything insurmountable that anyone else couldn’t also do.

They’re just taking that step and like utilizing and exploiting it. And they’re. And one of the, I think the biggest hidden treasure for me, specifically in the Cyber Sleuths, is you’re watching normal people and they’re like, wait, it’s this easy to manipulate. It’s this easy to get a million people to believe whatever stuff that I’m coming up with. And then when you see the case end, it’s interesting that like, they can’t let go of it because it’s like, this was the meal ticket, this was the pay dirt. This is the thing that took them from 200 followers to 2 million followers was this one case.

So the fact that now it’s going away, we’re not going to hear about it again, it kind of, it adds incentive to keep milking more and more content. Well, I don’t believe that I’m going to get to the bottom of this. And you can see people focusing on this for the next 20 years of their lives. The exact same thing. And you were saying you hadn’t heard of Cyber Sluice before I kind of got introduced to it. There’s another documentary on the Malaysian flight that just kind of like ended up disappearing. That was another one. When people all over the world, they’re like, I all of a sudden know how to read nautical charts and I understand flight paths and, and they kind of like dig into this and I.

And I again, the biggest hidden treasure is just knowing that this is the new wave of the future, that every single national and international media story is going to have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that are like acting as armchair detectives and getting it wrong. I think the biggest hidden treasure is under the docks. Live with Paranoid American and Sean Criss live at the scene. Let’s break down the murder. We should do that, man. The next big thing that pops off, we just go and do man on the street. All right, man, you know what time it is, and we’re gonna do it a little differently.

I’m gonna throw them at you and then you tell me, sink or swim. All right, One night in Idaho, the college murders. Sink or swim? Swim, if you care about the story. Cyber sluice. The Idaho murders. Sinker. Swim. Regardless that this one was worth it. This is a total swim for me. The Idaho student murders. That one’s a sink. Yeah, I mean it. Even though you look at it from the outside and you’re like, oh, that’ll save me some time. It’s. It’s under an hour, man. You won’t really learn anything from it. Just go and read like a chat GBT summary and it will be better.

And out of all three of those, and I mean, you kind of alluded to it earlier, but if you had to pick a winner out of these three, what three would you pick? Yeah, for me, it’s Cyber Sleuths. Just because the novelty of it. Although it’s. It’s sort of a misdirection, it’s not really about the Idaho Murders, it’s about the Cyber Sleuths. So I guess it’s right there in the title. And for me, I’m gonna say one night in Idaho, I do give it a swim as well. I think that it was too long though. That’s like what borders me barely not wanting to give it a swim.

I don’t like these long dragged out films. I know I gotta do better on picking Cyber Sluice. I give it definitely a swim. Same reason for you. Like, I didn’t really care about the murder part. I just was like sucked into the fact of these tick tockers and I’m like, oh, this is the new age. Let’s figure out what’s going on. And the Idaho student murders was again, for how short it was, you think that it would have got a swim, but it definitely got a sink. And they were able to put like it was the shortest of all what we watched and it was not able to really give any oomph.

Right. If you knew a little bit about the story, you already knew what was going on. So I’m with you. The same thing I would pick is cyber sluice. It’s not for the Idaho murder reason though. Same is looking into the future of what the media is and how like I gotta prepare to be that guy, man. I’m gonna have to start like, I don’t know, just start yelling at people and be like, yeah, you don’t know what happened. Like he’s the killer and I’m gonna just put anybody’s the killer. And then you can sell ramen on the horizon.

What do we got up next? What do we have up next? We’re gonna do? Well, let’s, let’s say what the next mainstream Monday is going to be about. So I think we’re going to end up doing the Titan, which is that little submarine that went and discovered the Titanic and then imploded or did it or who knows? We’re gonna come, we’re gonna have to come up with some wild tick tock conspiracy theories on exactly what happened with it. Yeah, we gotta get our tick tock on, man. We gotta step it up, man. We gotta get tick tock.

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