Operation Paperclip Disney Cryptocurrency and Tomorrowland (2015) w/ @jamiehanshaw4378

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➡ The text discusses the movie Tomorrowland, comparing it to Atlas Shrugged and discussing its themes of future nostalgia and the idea of a breakaway society. The speakers also mention other movies and their experiences with them, such as Mission Impossible and Finding Nemo. They express mixed feelings about Tomorrowland, finding it weird and hard to connect with, but also intriguing due to its ambitious and optimistic approach. They also discuss the concept of a breakaway society, where the best thinkers are siphoned off to create a better future, leaving behind a wasteland of non-thinkers.
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➡ The text discusses a ride at Tokyo Disneyland where the character Groot was added to the “It’s a Small World” attraction, changing the experience for riders. It also talks about a movie where there was confusion between two young characters who looked alike, leading to some difficulty in following the plot. The text further explores the idea of symbolism in the movie, with a character named Athena who sacrifices herself. Lastly, it mentions the theme of old and new guard in the CIA, represented by characters Frank and Casey, and the concept of DNA and biology in the future.
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We’re talking about Tomorrowland today. Talking about Tomorrowland today. That’s a weird one to say. Hey, this is Matt here. There’s a paranoid American. How’s it going? How’s it going? This, this movie I gotta get to right to the point. This is if Al Gore became a techno dictator. This is essentially what this movie gives you a glimpse of. Oh, okay. Should I comment on that later? I don’t know. Yeah, we’ll save it. We’ll save it later. Coming back. Yeah, we also have another guest back in the Occult Disney Studio wearing the occult Disney shirt, Jamie Hanshaw.

Thanks for coming for another one. What’s up, guys? There we go. So exclusive. I think there’s like four of those on the planet right now. Oh, really? No, I got a whole box. It was awesome. I got this whole box of goodies. We’re gonna unbox it on my channel next time. We talk about space, but like Chick Tracks, that’s classic. Classic. Yeah, that’s where with this podcast thing. Do you know Chick Tracks? Yes, I do. Let’s talk about that. Honestly, the kids need to know about. The kids don’t know about it as much. I have the chick comic books, bro.

The like full color that you have crusaders. Yeah. Male order. And it’s all about the history of like the Catholic Church and Islam and weird stuff that kids don’t need to be like, learning. But it was in there. My co host, Nate on Reality Czars, he was one of those kids that grew up in a family that said, like, you’re not allowed to read Superman, but here’s this, this is how the world really works. So he grew up with chick tracks but not reading them as a novelty. Reading them as like, this is what we’re encouraging you to think.

Like, oh yeah, I think I told you like three years ago, like the, the, the tab is open on my phone for chick tracks. It’s still there. I have not already. That tab is not gone. You know, occasionally you have to. Do you need to hear about the Blue Angels? Of the Blue Angels. Yeah, that’s my favorite. If we’re doing chick tracks, I wished I can tie this to Disney, actually, because the entire premise of the very first Paranoid pamphlets that I came out with, which are just their chick tracks. They’re conspiracy chick tracks. The whole point was that I was working at Disney and I had access to the park and I want.

I went and got like 5,000 of these things printed and I just wanted to go into the park and just drop them all over the place and just let people pick them up. And I’m telling you that I got them. I ordered them in like October of. I’m gonna make up a year. I think it was 2019. And I got them in December of 2019. And it was. I got them in my hands literally like the week after Covid broke out everywhere. And no one was wanting to pick up a random thing outside on the ground.

Everyone’s wearing like rubber gloves and masks and like, it kind of like changed the trajectory of the whole chick tract approach for me. Look at this. These ones are Covid free, by the way. I guarantee that Covid infused for you. Congratulations. You’re actually vaccinated right now by just touching the paper. So I was about to say, in Japan, they finally started dropping the masks, but I took a walk right before I came. And right when I walk up to my house, my neighbor is driving off in a car by himself and 80 degrees wearing a mask.

Don’t know what’s up with that. Different about it, though. I mean, people did wear. You know, people do mask when they feel ill or whatever in Japan in general, because there’s. I got photos from my wife at like the Dawes Festival, like a year before Coven. She’s wearing a mask because she felt sick. That. I don’t think anyone has ever really criticized an Asian for over masking. I think no. But the day the Japanese government was like, you can stop doing this. I stopped doing this. And I was weird for a good six months, plus maybe two years if we’re being real.

And again, I could transition this back to Disney because I was here. I was. I wasn’t working there at the time. This was like three years removed. But they had this very limited part capacity. So the people that did want to go, they kind of had free reign. You didn’t have to wait in line for almost anything. But they were also running a lot of stuff at limited capacity. But it was. It’s interesting whenever weird world events or sometimes just the weather, it can just completely change the whole vibe of a park. If you catch the park right as it opens after a tornado warning goes away or a tropical storm warning, as soon as it like lifts and the park’s like, oh, I guess we’re open now.

And you’re there for like those first two or three hours, you can just run around the park and just ride anything you want like three or four times. It’s. It’s truly a magical experience. Versus the days where you’re waiting like four hours in line and you don’t even really know why. I avoid those days. The Tokyo everyone. You know, it’s train system. So a lot of people tend to leave early. So that last hour you’re like, shouldn’t there be more people here? You know, it’s kind of weird sometimes. Is. And is there a Tomorrowland in all three of the main parks that we usually talk about, which is Disneyland Disney World? Yeah.

Tokyo. Tokyo has a Tomorrowland. And they have. And it. Until two years ago, it looked exactly like 1971 or whatever. 4. We’ll give it Space Mountain. But it looked. It looked super like 70s until about two years ago they closed Space Mountain. They’re rebuilding a new one right now. If you go to the park, Tomorrowland’s no fun. They’ve blocked off some the paths. You can go to Stitches Encounter, which is completely in Japanese. It’s like turtle talk with Crush, but in Japanese only. So unless you really know Japanese and you’re a kid, you probably don’t want to go there.

So now they just have the Monsters Inc. Ride, which is good, but I never ride it. So I guess I don’t like it. Star Tours, which I feel like is not as good as the monsters ride, but I ride probably because there’s no line. Do they extract your. Your scream on the monsters ride there you have a little flashlight and you’re supposed to shine it at helmet like the symbol. And when you see it like monsters pop out. So it is fun. But I don’t know. For some reason it’s just like. It’s, it’s. It’s like, hey, maybe a little bit like the movie Tomorrowland.

What I’m seeing is impressive, but something doesn’t resonate inside. Yeah. I mean there’s my short review. I. I had that same feeling. Like I. I get that they called it Tomorrowland, but. But for some reason it doesn’t. It didn’t give Me, Tom feels. And even the parts that did, they just tell you, it’s a big lie. I guess I could jump straight a little bit into the production and that. This is a weird one. So Brad Bird’s a director. I think we just got to throw that out because this is. This is kind of a Brad Bird tale to tell.

You know, he was a Pixar guy. He did Ratatouille. He did the Incredibles, I believe so, you know, major hits. And then he makes. He comes out that starts doing live action, makes a Mission Impossible Ghost Protocol, saves that franchise or makes that franchise guy’s big again. So he’s kind of like a top flight director. And he was offered a Star Wars Episode 7 and chose to do Tomorrowland instead. Which now is like, why would you do that? I’m thinking of a creative mind. I’m like, oh, I could do my own thing and it’ll be mine.

Although it’s still Disney’s, isn’t it? But I feel like you could. Only you’re into a Star Wars. That might have been the reason why, I don’t know. But now you’re like, should have done Star Wars. Also, Brad Bird doing Star wars seems better in JJ Doing Star Wars. I don’t know. Maybe what ifs. So, yeah, this movie is. It’s interesting that these Pixar directors kind of went off to do live action, and both of them kind of got kneecapped. Brad Bird had little success with Mission Impossible, and then Andrew Stanton, he did Finding Nemo and Wally, and he comes out and does John Carter, which I do think is a legitimately good movie.

And his career basically gets kneecapped there too. So both these guys make Pixar, you know, massive successes, and then go live action, like, very quickly get kneecapped. So by their. This one a little more justified, because this movie’s. It’s so weird. There’s so. I want to like it. There’s everything in here makes me want to like it kind of, but I don’t. I. I’ll find. Okay, they’re going hard on nostalgia. Look, I think in that movie, like, future nostalgia, if that’s even a thing. I think that’s what they’re trying to go for. Retro future nostalgia. I went to see the Fantastic Four movie last month, and I think that’s.

It’s also the Superman are both kind of doing it. The Superman one. I really liked the Fantastic Four one. I’m not gonna say I didn’t like it, but I don’t remember what happened in it. And it had the same look as this movie, more or less. It was a little more green and blue than this one, I guess, but. Well, this one is. Is kind of steampunk, but instead of steam, it’s like Tesla tech. It’s like Tesla Chrome punk. Because it’s 1952. There we go. That. Sorry. That was the point I was originally trying to make that the.

For most of its. Even having some marketing things made, like it was going to be called 1952. Also a weird date three years before Disneyland. What does that have to do with Disney? Exactly. Disney’s cranking by 1952 is that when Disney, like, has, like, you know, an orange fall on his head and he thinks of Epcot Center. I don’t know. Interesting. That’s. That’s a new lead here. The 1952 was the original name for Tomorrowland. And I. Yes. I have to clarify that. When this movie first came out, I had already heard of a movie called Escape from Tomorrowland, which was this.

I think it was. I haven’t seen it. Jamie, you said you’ve seen it, but it’s like a gorilla movie that they actually shot in the park without Disney. It. I mean, you don’t have to spoil it or you can, but, like, what’s the premise of that movie? Yeah, so this was all done shot in the park without their permission, so it didn’t go very far. But it was a creepy indie story of, like, a beleaguered family man trying to take his family just to Disneyland for a day. And all of his existential crisis. Like, his wife is kind of bitchy and he’s like, not it because the kids are, you know, bratty and, you know, just your typical American family going to a theme park for a day.

But intertwined in it is these themes of, like, PDF file stuff going on. Because he’s very interested in these, like, very young girls who are. In contrast to his wife who’s, like, naggy with the kids, falling off of her at all times. And he’s, like, looking at these young girls at the park who are sort of flirting with him. Sort of. Not. It could be, like, interpreted that he’s getting mixed signals. So there’s also, like, it’s not creepy when Chevy Chase does it in European Vacation. Right. It’s the same story. The first vacation. Yeah. Going back and watching things from the 80s, you’re kind of like, wow, we wouldn’t do that nowadays.

But yeah. So then it gets into more dark stuff like witches and child T R A F. I don’t know what you want me to say on your channel, but, like, go wild. We can go wild, work it out, you know, goblins, occult, demonic spirits at the park. And you’re left questioning, you know, is this guy a creeper or is he just being influenced by all of the demonic stuff going on around him at Disneyland? So it’s a weird indie movie. We could cover it another time. Okay, well, the reason I wanted to just preface that is that I heard about that movie first, had never seen it, still to this day hadn’t seen it.

And then Tomorrowland 2015 comes out with George Clooney, which is the one that we’re talking about. And that whole time, even when it came out, I. I watched, I think, like the first half or maybe I started dozing off. I was like, this isn’t as creepy as I thought it would be. And how do they get George Clooney to do something counter culture with Disney? And I never realized until we started re watching this that those two are completely different movies. Oh, yeah, yeah, I did realize that. But I did not go to see this in the theater.

When I tried to watch it a few months later, I clocked at watching last night. I got about 12 minutes in and got bored or something, which makes sense now because the thing is, since then I’m like, oh, I need to get back to Tomorrowland. Yeah. I still want it to be a hidden gem. And it’s. It is. It is a weird movie. It just keeps me at his. At a distance. The professional reviews of this one actually feel like they really do a good job of conveying my thoughts for once. Because usually you see professional reviews like this, this guy’s a prick or something.

But what do we have here? Ambitious and visual. Excuse me. Oh, that’s. That’s. I don’t want to read that. That’s AI. Okay, this is Peter Travers. I want to read actual people. Peter Bradbird’s Tomorrowland, a noble failure about trying to succeed, is written and directed with such open hearted optimism that you cheer it on even as it stumbles. I’m like, that’s a pretty fitting way to describe this. Yeah. I honestly, I mean, if I had to rephrase it, it’s like having your own kid that really sucks out a sport is kind of like watching him play is like watching this movie.

I mean, I’ve made a lot of music and there’s albums I made that I enjoy listening to, and there’s a few where I know I put my whole heart into It. But I listen to now, I’m like, like, yeah, that wasn’t very good. You know, it served a purpose. And, and honestly I, I think I can sell you at least on this movie being a novelty because as soon as, as soon as they start describing the whole background and what’s going on, it jumps around a little bit. There’s going to be plenty of MK Ultra references here.

But what I kept going back to was that this is sort of a unintentional Atlas Shrugged where what happens is that the. And this is one of the many theories, but the future starts siphoning off all of the best thinkers that want to go and live in this future tomorrowland. And what it’s doing is it’s leaving behind this wasteland of non thinkers in the present which are no longer there to be able to create that future that we, we all kind of want. And there’s. To me it was just Atlas Shrugged. It’s like that’s what happens in Atlas Shrugged, except for that in that movie or movie, but in the, in the book series by On Rand that it’s about the people with merit are like, we’re gonna leave these groups of like just feeders that are, that aren’t contributing in any way.

We’re gonna go and like make our own club and things are going to be way cooler there and the rest of you are going to suffer. And it’s kind of what happens in this movie without them collectively saying, let’s leave all these losers behind. There was more like, hey, let’s attract all these great thinkers. And I don’t know, I, I kept going back to this like weird technocratic Atlas Shrugged. Why even go to the future though? I mean, you know, there’s like the, what the breakaway society concept, right? I, I got clickbait baited by a YouTube video a few days ago, which was like, you know, the underground cities you don’t know about.

It was all really obvious crap. It’s like underground land. I was hoping they’re going to tell me about, you know, something real crazy that was. But it was too realistic, it was too non whack for me. You heard the albino alligators in New York? Yeah, I wanted some chuds, you know, but the whole breakaway thing, like you get all the best scientists. Well they, they put that in the movie Oppenheimer and that’s what happened. Right. I guess. Which in the 40s they, you know, took all the best scientists and stuck them in the middle of the desert till they got it right, you know, or wrong if.

Depending on your viewpoint. Well, I wanna, I wanna get an idea of, of Jamie’s breakdown of this movie because when we first were talking about all the movies you could come on and talk about, you mentioned this one as being like one of the top contenders. So what did you see in this movie? Oh yeah, I mean I got like five pages of notes. We did it on my channel a couple years ago. But this is perfect timing because we just recorded a show last week on My channel about NASA’s origins are intertwined with Disney and the pushing of space and you know, the space race at that time and even the aesthetic of my channel.

I don’t know if you’ve noticed this. It’s like Tomorrowland. It’s like retrofuturism. Rockets and atoms and the Jetsons and stuff. I really. Mid century modern. Yeah. Frigidaire and Bake Light. Yeah. So this is the time period that we’re talking about. So NASA, Disney, Disneyland. So in the three years leading up to the creation of NASA, actually Disney released three short films for promoting space exploration on their Tomorrowland segment of the Disneyland series. So this is where the Tomorrowland comes from, is this program. And wouldn’t you know who’s working on this is the Nazi scientist, our friend Bernard Von Braun, who worked very closely with Disney.

So we’re positing this idea like, you know, is space or what we know about space or the, the, the race to get children and generations interested in going to outer space. Is this some kind of psyop also? So is space fake or real or whatever? So they released man in Space, man on the Moon and Mars and beyond. And other people from Project Paperclip are also working closely with Disney on the parks and they’re. Their premise is man will conquer space soon. So this is a very Nietzschean, this is a very like Promethean. You have the Russian idea that we like are supposed to go to space.

Also in Russian cosmism I think is what it’s called. Basically Manifest Destiny. Space. Right. And so you have Disney linking with all of these military industrial complex corporations before the war and then after the war for this like technological Monsanto Dupont. So Tomorrowland actually started as a Monsanto exhibit. Right. I actually remember in the, in the mid-80s going there was a whole section that was sponsored by Monsanto and then it would, it passed around different corporations. But this is the one where you could go inside a human body and they had all of these weird like sensory exhibits where it would have like a really cold pole Next to, like a warm pole that would make it feel like you were like burning your hand.

And that was all in this little area that was sponsored by Monsanto, of course, the House of Future. Also, have I seen these. These things you’re talking about many times. That’s how close they are to my hand. Tomorrowlanders. And the chaser to those, I would say would definitely have to be Disney’s 1966 Epcot video, which is kind of like the. The punchline. But the point, I guess you watch those three and then you get to the point with, with Disney’s Epcot, the planned cities somewhat like what you’re seeing in this movie, right? Oh, and these planned cities are not just a theoretical thing anymore.

So this is something that the technocracy is trying to move us towards by opening up the constitution to get rid of things like women voting or whatever else they want to, like, get rid of. They want to deb that altogether and have these things called neocameral city states run by a technocrat. And if you want a illustration of that, there’s one in the TV show Alien Earth, the very new TV show on the Alien franchise. And these city states run by like Mark Zuckerberg or whoever or Elon Musk can have a city state. And I’ve already sent a PA here a note about that show.

I was doing all the Peter Panic because we do a Disney podcast. Oh, yeah. Because it’s called Neverland. So that’s the thing with these technocrats that we’ve been covering the last couple months on my channel. They are very disconnected from reality. A lot of their ideas come from science fiction. Not that imagination is bad, but you know, Palantir is the all seeing eye from Lord of the Rings. They’re very into like Dungeons and Dragons type thinking, just. And the Zeitgeist. Have we talked about Zeitgeist on your channel? Because that is like the model for the Tomorrowland.

The documentary. You mean you talk about it? Yeah, just a quick shout out. I’ve got a series called under the Docks where we review old conspiracy documentaries. And that was one of the very first three, I think we did. Because that one was one of the OG Internet viral conspiracy videos ever, I think. So these are the pre planned cities. The switch is part two. It’s either. That’s the. The very tail end of Zeitgeist. And then the whole whatever weird direction they went in after that, it almost felt like someone like bought the market share and they’re like, okay, now let’s turn this into a 15 minute city promo ad.

Yeah, a thing for Jacque Fresco. So we were talking about Von Braun and the beginning of Tomorrowland. He was known as the Space Prophet. And so this Von Braun Tomorrowland collaboration was actually a pillar of the campaign to drum support for the creation of a civilian space agency, which we now know as NASA. NASA actually becomes a thing in the late 50s. And isn’t there an earlier version? Didn’t they do it like CIA style or it was kind of something else first, probably. I have this really great article on all of that and he goes into very fine detail.

I can recommend to you the perfect resource if you want to learn about that. Okay. I just have to mention before we, before we go. It’s like burning a hole in my pocket that all of this just kind of sounds like Mormonism too. Well, that’s what we’re seeing. So the Technocrats are very interested in having space cults and space harems and redefining what the family should look like. They’re pointing more towards like a guy with a lot of baby mamas and a lot of babies. The doctor cyborg Heron usually turns up in all these movies. Yeah, and Austin Powers and Elon wants to take his DNA.

Oh, and also, who else wanted to do this? Jeffrey Epstein was very interested in seeding the world and space with his DNA. He even had a baby ranch in New Mexico called Zorro Ranch where they were doing all of these weird breeding experiments. Moon and like moon child rituals, right? Yeah, different. Yeah, I was gonna say different aesthetic. He was going more like Egyptian, it sounds like, than a mid century modern. Yeah. Parsons was at least doing it contemporary to the designs and the aesthetics of his own age. Yeah, and he’s pretty much the prologue to the entire space program.

Jack Parsons. And if you go to Epcot and you ride on that mission. Mission Space. Yeah, Mission Space, the movie. Yeah, we, we had this chat a few weeks ago, actually. They slingshot you around the moon and you see the, the dark side of the moon with the crater with Jack Parsons named after it on there the whole time. I was watching this movie too, though there’s some scenes at the end that I was thinking, like, this would be the coolest thing intomorrowland if they actually had something that resembled this. Like this is what the Mission to Space ride should have been is when they’re busting out of the, the Eiffel Tower in the middle of this thing and they’re like slamming around and then they shoot out into outer space and then they like shoot back through and go into a completely different dimension.

All that sounds like any way cooler than anything that’s actually in Tomorrowland right now in any of the park. Yeah. Tomorrowland’s been such a conundrum for them in the parks because, you know, the. The original 1955 Disneyland, it was basically very unfinished. That’s why Monsanto and other. A few other companies have such a big presence there, because that’s the one they just simply didn’t finish. So let Monsanto finish it for you. But also futuristic, right? Like at that time, everything in Tomorrowland did feel like it was a futuristic thing. And then that that time period shifted and now you go there and it’s like nostalgic of, oh, isn’t that quaint? This is what Grammy thought it was going to be like today.

Yeah, 1967. They do like the big redo where they try and update it to make it futuristic again. They kind of start giving up after that. Tokyo opens theirs in 1983 and just decides for 30 years that’s fine. A stance I kind of agree with. Anaheim destroys their tomorrowland in the mid-90s trying to do new Tomorrowland and basically screwing it up. They took out the people mover, but they. Because of like local building statutes and things, they can’t actually do anything with that track. They tried to do the rocket rods. It’s a massive failure. So now you just have giant infrastructure that’s there that’s doesn’t do anything.

And California isn’t apparently pretty screwed up. Florida’s. Maybe you can give us an update on what Florida is doing these days. How’s their time? I’m such a cheap date when it comes to Tomorrowland. I go to that. That stupid little indoor theater that’s like circular. That shows you the progress. Some of this movie shot there, that is. That is one of my favorite things to do. And whenever I go with someone, it’s like I can already tell five minutes in, like, what did you drag me into? But I just. Air conditioning. That’s what you drag them into.

Air conditioning, some shade. But there’s just something nostalgic about that because I remember going with my grandparents when it first opened and going through and watching that. So it’s. And it’s wild to see that. How they have changed it over the decades. Essentially like every 10 years they add like one extra little tweak to the point where I just saw it like a couple months ago. They actually have grandma playing with a VR headset, like shooting aliens and earning NFTs or something. Oh, okay. I feel like it was 1996 in there for so long. So maybe they finally.

Maybe that was the 19. Maybe that was the 1996 update. Because Disney Quest a year later had, like, that early VR, so. And they had, like an. Like a AI that’s driving the oven. Okay. I just wanted to think that it was the future of 1996 still. That would have made me happy. Well, I. I want to. I want to get more of Jamie’s thought. I also want to give a quick stab of maybe trying to describe what happens in this movie for anyone that hasn’t watched it and wants to understand what the framework is and, like, what the structure is for all these notes.

So I’ll do my best to make it very concise. So the future, it has this. This technology that’s beaming out this idea that the world has ended or that the world is. Is going to be going into this apocalypse again. When I was talking about the future being run by Al Gore as this technocrat, it’s kind of what it is. I was just imagining. What is it? A terrible mistake. That’s the book about MK Ultra, the Inconvenient Truth, right? Yes, correct. This was required watching when I was in high school. This was state propaganda that you absolutely had to watch.

Everyone pretty much consensus in high school was like, oh, yeah, polar bears are going to be gone, penguins are going to be gone. Just all ice is going to be gone. We’re not going to have ice anymore unless we do something. And we’d have to do what Al Gore says. And that was like this. This level of fear where if you don’t do this, you’re all going to die. If you don’t do this, you’re all going to drown. So we’ve got this technocrat living in the future that’s beaming these ideas to us in the present so that the fear will make us treat the environment better, I guess.

And. But in doing so, we realize that the media just took that fear and they’re like, oh, we can commercialize that. We can actually twist this for our own needs. So the fear wasn’t actually driving them towards fixing anything. The fear was just being com. You know, turned into a commodity and sold back to them as excitement and entertainment and whatnot. And that’s. It actually has a pretty deep message in this movie because they’re kind of going to. As I’m watching, I’m like, oh, this is. I’m being cynical. And this movie is incredibly cynical, I think.

But but this girl finds a little pin that basically transports her when she touches it to this future. But you, you have to be super smart, I think, in order for the pin to work. And as she does this, she’s like finding her way to this futuristic city. Once she actually gets there, she runs into George Clooney. And George Clooney is sort of like the older version of her. Like he, when he was a young kid, he was sort of also being able to touch these little pins and could teleport around and go into the future and go into this alternate dimension.

And he had become sort of convinced that the world was just gonna go to hell. And she’s like this new hope, right? She’s the new young buck that has all this optimism. And they keep going to this two wolf analogy constantly where it’s that there’s two wolves inside of you. One of them is autistic and one of them is whatever. I can’t remember. This version is like, one’s the good wolf, one’s the bad wolf. Which one wins? And it’s the one that you feed. So that motif keeps coming up over and over again. And at the very end, you kind of are left wondering, like, okay, the.

The guy that had created this whole entire antenna that’s beaming this apocalyptic future into everyone’s heads back into the past. When he’s doing that, it’s ultimately because he thinks he’s doing it for good, but he ends up doing it for bad. And it’s this whole thing about he fed the wrong wolf instead of the white wolf. So that’s. I know, it was a little meandering. It’s an abstract movie. There’s all kinds of rockets and explosions and multi dimensional travel. Right? No. Yeah. I had heard eight things I wanted to respond to. I don’t know, I. I would.

I guess the last one’s the wolves. So as someone you know, the more you meditate, the more it’s like, don’t choose either wolf. I have two wolves and they’re both. That’s. That was the one. That’s the one. I was looking for it. Don’t feed the wolves. So, yeah, where do we go with this? Actually, weirdly, with all the technological stuff, and the one that comes to me is, especially with the pin taking you to one, you’re ending up in the cornfield. I just, I was mentioning actually before we recorded, but I do the Twilight Zone podcast where you have It’s a Good Life where the omnipotent kid with a thought can send you into the cornfield.

And so, I don’t know, just since I’m a Twilight Zone guy, it was like, huh, the pin sends you directly into the cornfield first, not into the city. Which I thought was interesting. I kept getting Emerald City feelings. Every time I would see that, I was just imagining opium poppies and like an Emerald City that she’s working her way towards. And when she gets back to the city in a later state, I guess. And it looks, you know, it looks decrepit somewhat. I mean, it still seems to be somewhat functioning too. But that had returned to Oz vibes, you know, where we go back to Oz and it’s.

In that case, it’s completely falling apart. And here it’s like, great call. Yeah. This does have return to Oz vibes in the second half of the movie. Yeah. And. And where was I going to that return to Oz? Yeah. Sorry, my thought. My thought defused there, but it’ll come back later. Maybe. But yeah, the correlation, the Emerald City. That makes sense. I’m vamping now. Somebody say something interesting. Yeah, Jamie, you said you had five pages of notes. What else we got? Oh, I was just looking here. So the story starts with this monologue by George Clooney, who is, you know, a CFR promoting World Economic Forum, friend of Obama.

He’s definitely into technocracy, climate agenda, all of those things. Right. He’s a cooler Al Gore. Yeah. So he says the future can be scary. Unstable governments, overpopulation, wars, famine, water crisis, environmental collapse. So these are all of the, like, accelerationism ideas that they’re trying to get you to think that we are like doomsday is we’re one minute from it. And if we don’t do this right now, then the tipping point, that’s what they call it. Right. And this was. This was every environmental studies class in the late 90s, everywhere in this country. So the tipping point is like when the aliens come and say, okay, you no longer have stewardship over this planet because it’s too important and we’re just going to eliminate the humans.

So this is the kind of thinking that they want you to be. And if we are not good stewards of the planet, we don’t deserve to go into the future or into tomorrowland. Right. I find it interesting you mentioned Just Inconvenient Truth being like, required viewing in high school. I’m a few years older and I. I’ve never seen that movie. Weirdly, I was teaching environmental education when it came out and probably teaching a few of the concepts in this movie. At the time. Right. Because we were told to do that. But yeah. And in high school I mean there was some environmentalism, but maybe I’m talking like not quite late 90s.

It seems like right around 97, 98 is when it really kicks into overdrive. I remember as an elementary student going to Fern Bank Science center in Atlanta, Georgia and being being given the tropical rainforest rap which still gets stuck in my head and it’s terrible. When we were talking a few weeks ago about Brian Wilson Smart girls, it’s like maybe two shades better than that. I just want to say I was intentionally hyperbolic but for me technically it was required viewing because I had a class that we had to go and actually all watch that in.

In like the media room and write a report on it. So like if you didn’t do that you would have gotten ding for the red. It’s not like it was state endorsed across the entire state of Florida, across the nation. But that was absolutely required movie for me personally in high school in my senior year. The other reason I didn’t see it is because of movies. You also just covered on with the docs is Fahrenheit 911 and Boeing for Columbine. Movies I’d both seen and especially at the time probably mostly agreed with them, if not completely agree with them.

But I also knew how journalism worked and I was like this is the worst journalism. And the movies made me angry because it’s like you’re making a point I like with really shoddy journalism and on a major scale like lots of people are seeing you doing this incorrectly. Even though I like. I think that’s kind of what this movie is about is that if you do that Al Gore thing that you yourself are almost guaranteeing it. George Clooney says it himself. Self fulfilling prophecy. That’s kind of what they’re hinting at that if you keep doom scrolling and you keep like doom saying about that like we’re gonna lose the world and humans are gonna become obsolete.

That that actually in an NLP way or like almost like a un Cameron MK Ultra repeating pattern way. Right. You keep hearing that and you keep seeing that and you start modeling yourself out after that. Before I forget, a big props to his vacuum tube Doomsday clock. That was, that was that impressed by the way those are Nixie tubes. They were made in the in the US and Europe but they ended up becoming manufactured in the ussr. So you actually end up seeing them in a lot of like retro 1950s through 1970s Russian equipment has those cool Little Nixie tubes.

Oh, okay. Also, yeah, synthesizers. People are like, yeah, put the Soviet filter into your synthesizer. Get. Oh, what, the Poly 6? Yeah, get a Poly 6. You know, those things are nasty, like in a. In a good way for synthesis. But yeah, I like that. See, I kind of like that more than half of the stuff I saw, like in Tomorrowland. Because there we’re getting all these. We’re getting mid century modern digital landscapes, which. That seems kind of like at odds with itself. Like, I feel like if you. The. One of the big points of Pan Am or, you know, like early James Bond is how tactile it is.

So here it’s like, here’s this very tactile thing that. And now we’re giving you like very digital versions. Oh, but look, Space Mountain and Spaceship Earth are in the background, you know, which. Not good enough. They do use that Valencia Museum, of course, which Star Trek also uses a lot, so that there’s a good practical location. So. And that looks better than all the digital stuff in the background. That’s a good point, because you’re never getting a jetpack. You just go on VR. Like, did you notice that that’s one of the dreams that they’re trying to sell? Like this Rocketeer Atomic age.

You’re gonna get like, fly around with your jetpack. No one’s getting that. No one’s getting a flying skateboard from Back to the Future. No one’s getting a flying car. You’re getting a pod to sit in. And if you want to do things, you have to put the goggles on. You’re not even allowed a drone without getting like federal license now. Right. You can’t even fly like a little in certain areas. So, yeah, you’re definitely not flying your body out there. Yeah, so that was a good point about tactile versus digital. It’s like it’s all going to be a simulation.

And I feel like Tomorrowland does because of those 50s things you mentioned and because of Disney’s Epcot video. Here’s one thing I thought when I’m seeing, I’m like, well, the obvious thing would be to use Progress City. You can still see, I think it’s a tenth of the model in Florida is Tomorrowland. It’s still impressive. But when you see that, you’re seeing a tenth of this insane model that Disney had commissioned just before he died. Or are you talking about Epcot? No, I’m talking about when you ride the people mover in Florida’s Tomorrowland, you pass by a model of a Futuristic City is only a tenth of this massive model that Disney had commissioned.

As you know, while he was trying to dream up Epcot, they just built this insane thing in California and shipped some of it to Florida. You’re like, all right, grandpa, let’s get you to the freezer. Yeah. And I think, I think they. I think they actually shot some of Logan’s Run using that like that city. So it’s like Tomorrowland. Can’t do that now. It’s gonna look like cheap 70s crap if they do it. You know, it’s gonna look like. And no, I don’t want to be spurring show. Logan’s Run, that’s one of my favorite movies, but it is one of the most 70s looking movies you could possibly watch.

That’s my Tomorrowland. A more disturbing. By the way, that one doesn’t. That one has the conspiracies right on the top. And that’s the main plot of the movie. Well, did you notice the themes of multiculturalism in the small world? Unicef, the time travel portal is in the ride. Right. That’s how they go through to get to Tomorrowland. And we were talking about this on the other show that NASA was always very interested in multiculturalism, like Epcot, One World globalism. That’s why in a lot of movies you’ll see the crew of the spaceship being very token ethnicities.

You know, you got your black guy, you got your Asian, you got your white lady. Yeah, it’s a small world turned into actual people. Yes. So that’s why, like International Space Station is. It’s not that way. It’s that way on purpose. So you’ve got the UNESCO UNICEF agendas, and those were the ones that were pushing the vaccine very hard, especially on children. I don’t know. If you went to their website during COVID it would say no Child Left behind because they were very interested in pushing the vaccines. And you can take that like a couple ways.

Like, no, one thing as a. As a educated educator 20 years earlier, that was the test thing. That had nothing to do with that. It was. It was like, you know, let’s make the tests easier so no one fails them. Which I don’t know. Also, Tomorrowland wouldn’t put up with that stuff, would it? I mean, the Torah line of this movie. No. Yeah. No. If you enter Tomorrowland, I assume that as you go through that little portal, you’re getting a vaccine of some kind, but you’re just not realizing it because it’s like a Tesla tech version of it.

And yeah, it’s just like straight plasma. Just goes right into you. I did notice, I think, when they, like, blow them. Correct me if I’m wrong. And when he’s in It’s a Small World, it uses that little spur for the boats, right? Where were you riding pirates or that? You’re always like, I wonder where that spur goes. So in here, it’s like, oh, it goes to Tomorrowland. I like that. Have that pin, right? Then you go the other way. So if you’re in a club and you have the symbol and the talisman, then you are on a different track than the rest of the world.

It was. It was the stone cutter scene in the Simpsons where Homer has a special little garage door opener. And that was. Honestly, that was one of the coolest scenes in this entire movie, being all into, like, a cult. Underground tunnels in Disney and, like, what are they doing there? Is that if you ride the It’s a Small World ride, and you’ve got this magic talisman, it’s like a little t. A little. A little tau cross, essentially, that a red laser will beam out of a lighthouse onto your little tau cross. And then the track opens up, and your car goes down in this underground tunnel that then has, like, a little teleporter device that, like, sends you.

And. And I mean, there’s so many Simpsons references in here, right? Stonecutters. And then also just like, the monorail episode. That’s kind of. If you were to summarize this entire movie in one word, I would be like, monorail. Like, that’s kind of. Now I got a song stuck in my head. My daughter and I were riding a monorail in Tokyo a few weeks ago, and of course, you just start singing the song, don’t you? It makes it seem stupid. So why would you build a monorail? I was talking to my buddy Mark I did one of your podcasts with, and he was like, yeah, Every time in Atlanta, someone suggests building something better than marta, people just respond with, monorail.

Monorail. That’s stupid. You know, like, no one wants. That’s just a big, wasteful public works project. Even if it might be useful, which. But then we got this Tomorrowland, which obviously has big, massive public works projects and is a decrepit, weird, you know, techno dystopia or something. Is that the episode where Homer drinks the water from the ride and starts tripping? That’s just. That’s actually a third separate episode. Oh, okay. Okay. So there’s a lot of classic sentences. Yeah. No, it’s a small world speaking of multiculturalism. I. Last time I wrote it, I was not thinking about that at all because for the first six months of the year in Tokyo, they had their first Marvel in the.

At Disneyland, which, I mean, for Tokyo Disneyland, which was. They put Groot on It’s a Small World. So the whole time you. You’ve got. You pull out your phone and you’re just looking for Groot. So you’ll take pictures of Groot. So. Oh, they like a bunch of different Groots all over the place. Yeah. Like, there’s the dancing Little Bo Peep girls, and one of them is now Groot. You know, you got Groot playing a didgeridoo, and in Australia, you got Groot playing a ukulele in Hawaii. So you’re not thinking about mono di culturalism now. You’re just looking for Groot.

And I loved it, by the way. I thought it was fantastic. But, yeah, it definitely changed the point of the ride completely. It just sounds like Gru is just flippantly doing cultural appropriation just everywhere you look. Correct, Correct. Every room. Is Groot doing some different form. He’s not allowed to use a nidgery do. He’s not aborigine. He’s grew. He can do that. He is Groot. Okay. Can he. He can’t say that. Okay. Anyway, I just thought that was interesting that in Tokyo they kind of. Now they’ve changed it back, but it was a January to end of June.

Yeah, you would. It would be It’s a Small World with Groot. There’s. There was also a character in this movie that ends up being kind of this guide slash child bride love interest to George Clooney as a kid and then he grows older. And if there’s a weird scene where the little girl cyborg is kind of telling George Clooney that she loves him, but they don’t quite verbalize it because the age discrepancy makes it kind of creepy. But she’s referencing that she loved him when he was a little kid, but since she stays locked in and he doesn’t, he grows older.

But I was wondering, like, you have any read that her name is literally Athena in this. And she sacrifices herself at the end of this movie. Like, there’s got to be some sort of symbolism here to. To unwrap. That’s the Epstein excuse. Well, if I can create robots, it’s legit. No, that is weird. I have a note that just didn’t sit well. And. Yeah, I don’t know. The kid Clooney was Pretty good though, I thought, just as, as far as the act, I want to just sidestep just very briefly away from like the occult and aspect of all this and just get into like a general movie critique.

And that’s the, the kid that they cast as young Clooney and then the, the other kid that they cast, they look so identical that it took me forever to realize that these were two different characters in the actual movie itself. Yeah, that happens. We’ve watched a few low budget horror films, or I have. Where you’re like, why did they cast three people that look alike? That’s not. It was, it was the young Frank Walker. And Frank Walker, I believe that’s George Clooney. Yeah, yeah, that’s right. So. And he’s played by this kid named Thomas Robinson. And then there’s Nate Newton, who’s like the, the modern young kid and he’s played by someone named Pierce Gagnon, who’s in a whole bunch of other Disney movies.

But, but they were like, they’re freaking. And, and I don’t know if this a was short sighted from the casting director that was like, sure, we’ll just grab two different kids that live in two different time periods that look identical. Or was there an intentional, like, obscuring to make it so that they were almost like fluid between George Clooney as a kid and this, this other little kid that’s the girl’s younger brother. Yeah, I did have a little cross, like, who am I watching? And the names were confusing me, so I was like, nate, Frank Wade.

Huh. So it didn’t, it didn’t throw me off completely, but there was a bit of chop there. I was having a little trouble following. And then you don’t get. Clooney doesn’t really show up for what, 40 minutes into the movie. Right. So you’re like, he’s the only big star in here. So like, where’s Clooney? Well, okay, Hugh Laurie’s in here too. But it. Well, I’ve got one good mnemonic device for you to remember who’s in this movie, because it’s Frank and Casey. And all I kept thinking was Frank Wisner who was at the founding of the CIA, and then Casey, who was the CIA director, like late, like 20 years after that.

And Casey is the young buck that’s like, you know, stars in her eyes. And then Frank, he’s the old guy. The old guy that’s, that’s kind of been like shattered from his experience and that it, that actually if you look at the Backstory of Frank Wisner, where you get the concept of the mighty Wurlitzer because he talked about being able to play the media, news and entertainment industry like it was a Wurlitzer organ to his liking. And this is the guy that was in the. At the. The cross between the OSS becoming the CIA. So that’s Frank, the old guard, and then Casey is the new guard.

This is the one that wants to be a little bit more experimental. Thinks like, what if we just dose everyone? What if we send people out into outer space? So I just kept thinking that is this movie about, like, the CIA passing the reins from old guard to new guard? Casey, the one that ends up at the bottom of lake? Or is that the next guy? Colby? That’s Colby. Colby. Okay. Names are close. I don’t feel completely stupid. Well, you got me thinking, because then a lot of these alien NASA space movies, the theme is that the unseen aliens are actually.

Well, they’re either inflated versions of the Anglo American elites or they are their future selves. So you see this in, like, the Last Mimsy, which also has a message of, like, catastrophe, Tipping point, Doomsday. We have to send our. Ourselves back into the past to fix something. We’ve screwed it up so bad because we’re such bad, bad boys and girls that we need to be punished and send back and taught the. The horrible ways of our past. Which I. I think they do that fairly well in this movie for being critical of it. They actually do it with a decent amount of nuance.

It’s not really cookie cutter. No. I’m looking at my note here. This movie is always about 3% from being, like, really good. Like, it’s not like. Like it makes it more infuriating because it’s like, this is almost good and something is just not sitting, like, in Here we go. This movie looks and is better crafted than Mission to Mars, which you did a few weeks ago, I would say. But I like Mission to Mars better. I’m just imagining that guy that explodes in a tornado and you just see like. Like viscera just fly in all directions.

I like that movie better, for sure. I am right on the table. Okay, you’re saying. You’re saying Mission to Mars was better than Tomorrowland? I’m saying yeah, I feel like this Tomorrowland is technically better crafted, but I like Mission to Mars better. And that is part. That’s one where I was like, it’s. It’s cool that De Palma did it because that just brings a little bit of wooliness and wonkiness And Brad Bird, I guess, is capable of that. I noticed some of the visuals did seem a little bit, you know, like I can draw a line from Ghost Protocol to this, you know, But Ghost Protocol doesn’t have that much cg.

So that, and there. All of that chrome. Chrome punk. Let’s call it Chrome Punk. Looks awesome. And here it does. And then sometimes it doesn’t because it’s. It’s not chrome anymore, it’s digital. Did you notice double helix construction? In the future there was a lot of references to spirals and helixes. Like even the rocket boys, when they were going in the future, it would spiral up like helixes. Oh, the guys with the little backpacks, the little rocket gear guys. Yeah, yeah. So there’s some. Something about biology and DNA going on in the. Well, I started seeing dongs at the end, which is a dumb guy thing to do, but that thing kind of going onto the Eiffel Tower.

I was like, that seems weirdly phallic. And then George Clooney is using some kind of weird phallic interface and maybe it’s midnight. I’m just starting to see it. But now that you mentioned, you know, like, I mean, Eiffel Tower is one thing, okay. Towers are a thing, aren’t they? And then there’s like another one. If you go down like the astro theological sort of route of architecture. If you buy into that, then pretty much every dome is one thing and every obelisk is the other thing. And that’s the original Naked Gun. Really, really got it right.

Okay. When they’re driving, everything I look at reminds me of her. Either a hot dog or a bun. Right? That’s it. You gotta pick one another. We have those robots at the end that really look like the RoboCop ED 209s to me, which I don’t know, that stuck in my mind. And I was also thinking the plot of this is just like if you make everything in the future more horrible now it’s the Terminator, isn’t it? I was specifically thinking Terminator, Dark Fate a little bit the most recent one because I guess because it has a female protagonist or whatever.

So yeah, I was like, this is kind of a terminatory plot without, you know, quite as much like robo murder. And well, that’s another theme. So there’s three layers that my friend was outlying in his article about the aliens and the invasion. And the first layer is we need globalism because the bad aliens will invade us or AI. So that’s another version. So we need good AI to help us combat the bad AI. And that’s what Athena represents, right? She’s the good technology versus the that ball that they have to destroy. Technology that’s been infused with love.

But she’s still aggressive in completing her mission, isn’t she? Yeah. So then you have the middle layer, which is we need to be initiated into the good Galactic Federation and become a type one civilization. And then the last layer would be like the aliens are our gods or AI or future us or something like that. It would have to be some emergent AI because right now AI is still very much corporate. It’s like There’s a Pepsi AI and a Coke AI and a Mountain Dew AI and a Dr. Pib and an RC code. Like there’s all these different AIs.

And then even if, if it starts getting international, it’s like, well, US or Western AI is better than Chinese AI because it’s so censored. Right? So then it becomes like a natural that. So it’s weird. There’s like corporate AI gods and then national AI gods. And it seems that the way that it’s phrased now we can’t really worship them because it would just be statism or corporatism. It’s just brand. Right? Now worshiping AI is no different than brand loyalty. But the type of AI that would require a Reagan like Star wars style defense system that’s like this external threat of aliens or the aliens bring AI from their ship and you’re like, oh, who invented that one? You’re talking yourself into watching this alien show, by the way.

Yes. Okay, you just described it. Or you know, the AI or aliens, I’m using these interchangeably on this show. They’re beyond good and evil and they’re actually part of our evolution. And that’s where, you know, like you said, Athena is infused with that something je ne sais quoi that makes her transcendent of, you know, robotics and humanity at the same time. When, because she wasn’t created through normal procreative means. Right. Athena came out of the top of her dad’s head. So it’s almost like this is an invention, like a thing that got thought of instead of something that was created naturally.

This movie probably was done in conjunction with NASA. I have to look up his list that he had. But it was called oh yeah, Space Act Agreement Films. So what this is is that they work side by side with NASA and they actually can share sets. So NASA can use the Hollywood production set and the vice versa is anything at NASA is available to them. So Tomorrowland is one of these. The box. Transformers, Dark of the Moon, the Avengers, Space warriors, the Martian Hidden Figures, First Man. So these are the ones that are completely part of the Space act agreement films.

I gotta ask, have you been to Kennedy Space Center? Either of you? Have you been? Not that far. Oh my God, you should absolutely go. I mean it’s worth one day triple. And there’s a sep. Like once you get there, you get to go the hangar and there’s like, you know, normal stuff, walk around. But then they have a separate experience where you get on a bus and they drive like 15 minutes and then you get to see the bits of like the Challenger. But then they actually have like a huge space module and like you can walk around and see it and they, they claim it is like one of the actual ones that’s been the space.

It’s, it’s a surreal experience seeing it presented the same way. And it’s. I don’t think it is any coincidence that Disney and all these other theme parks are so close by and that just like you’re saying they kind of share stages, they share the same people. Because for the most part NASA is just like military, government funded secret projects. The, the only part that we actually see is just the PR version and the PR version is one in the same with Hollywood. Right? There’s really no difference between that. They send them the nice lighting and the cameras and they do all the post production and it’s, it’s not just a straight up scientific research endeavor.

And like you brought up early on, Jamie, that there would be no NASA without Disney bringing Werner von Braun and bringing Han Heinz Haber who was also one of these like SSS awarded guys that Disney put in front of kids in, you know, and, and showed him on the TV and said like this is the future of space. They’re coming from Atlanta. I haven’t been to Kennedy Space center, which honestly probably should have. But you know, we have Houston not too far away. So in the fourth grade we had a trip there. I remember going there a few times.

So you know, there they, they also are like here’s a module that people that was in space, they got a Saturn 5 like lying on the ground. So you can walk along the Saturn 5 and see how you know, insanely big it is, that sort of thing. But yeah, same thing, right? I’m sure the hangar is like very impressive in a way that you don’t get at Houston State Center. It’s not something that you would like go to More than once every five, 10 years. But it’s just like one time you feel is worth going. That one time.

Yeah, yeah. The movie Space Camp does Houston Space Center. I remember that. So I think that’s another one of these NASA working closely. Space Camp. Yeah. Yeah. No, I was thinking like, I, I been so fully, you know, space programmed in my, in my life, like all those movies you mentioned. The only one that I didn’t. Hadn’t heard of and haven’t seen is the box. I think every other one you mentioned, I’m like, oh, I know that movie. I know that movie. I’ve seen First Man. Why have I seen First Man? You know, I only have so many hours in the day.

Have you all seen Fly the Navigator? That’s. Oh, hell yeah. It’s. It doesn’t have animation, so we haven’t. But when we start doing live action, that’s. That’s for sure one to get to. Yeah. Right now we’re on a path of, of mostly animated theatrical releases. We’re gonna have to go back and do some. We skipped like Pete’s Dragon and the. What is it? I always get that wrong. And then we’re probably gonna do straight to video and then we can start doing live action. I mean, there’s, there’s enough that we can do this show into our 80s, probably.

Yes. Did y’ all notice that the 2003 version of the little girl that her dad works for NASA, I forgot her name in the. Her character name. Casey. Yeah, the mnemonic worked. What do you know? Yeah, so when she is looking out into the sky and identifying the stars, the first one she points out is Sirius. Sirius, yeah, of course it is. So I thought about Sirius yesterday because I’m like, it’s so hot. It must be the dog days of summer. And then I looked up and I was like, oh, there comes Sirius. Okay, I’m right.

So I know that much. Much astronomy at least. You need to do a tick track about Sirius. That would be awesome. Oh, that’s such a great idea that, you know, Sirius was one of the. This is gonna sound all right. I have to say, pun intended, since I thought about it before I said it now. But serious was one of the first, like paranormal extraterrestrial topics that I took serious. And it was this, this thick book that was some French archaeologist self archaeologists that wrote about like the doggone tribe and wrote about all these other ancient cultures about knowing it was a binary star.

And it gets into like the elongated skulls like this. Sirius was my entry Point into the woo woo side of like, conspiracy theories. Accidentally punted too. I always hear. Oh, sorry, go ahead. I was just gonna say serious mystery and Stargate conspiracy. Those are classic. I’ve always heard it pronounced as the Dogon. So then when you said the doggone and I. I know it’s. I know it’s a, you know, an old name that has nothing to do with English, but I’m like the doggone talking about the dog star. That’s how I mean, it’s for me. Whatever is the most convenient mnemonic device for me is what it’s actually called.

I don’t care how you pronounce it, if it helps me remember what it is, then that’s the right solution for me. Okay. No, I just, I just made that weird connection. My dumb pom was just. You could call it a serious trap when you. When you make that. So, yes, I always remembered David Ike talking about the Dogon in Mali, Africa. Maybe that’s why I’m hearing that pronunciation. So doggone the doggone. And I’m talking about the dog star. Yeah, I like speaking American over here. But did you also notice that this movie is a very. It’s like, about pity for NASA and money for them because it’s crumbling and they probably not getting as much funding as they want.

It’s like a sort of cry for help. That’s what I was trying to say from NASA because they’re like, the launch. Launch platform is being demolished and the little girl doesn’t want to give up on her NASA dreams. Another thing that matches Disney is that there’s no mother. Good point. Oh, they slipped Roxy without us noticing. Maybe what happened to the mom? Do we hear what happened to her or is she just not present? I just. They don’t even mention. I don’t know. I didn’t. I don’t have a note. I just said, you know, parentheses, no mother.

So she’s gone. In Tomorrowland, you’ve been Disney proxied so much that you just assume that you’re either going to have one parent or no parents right when the movie starts. Yeah, I actually want to respond where NASA’s doing a cry for help here and showing things falling apart. And this movie was a massive failure, by the way. That’s why Brad Bird does not make later movies so much. But I am thinking, like recently especially I’ve seen on CNN where we. And. And we get articles and it’s not an obscenity, it’s CNN headlines, the unshiddening of society you know, as our technology turns into garbage, I just.

I was trying to hook up two other people do a podcast together, and they were trying to do it by email, and email is no longer reliable. Like, I’ve even had it. When you sent me an email and I went into my spam folder, I’m like, we send each other emails all the time. Why did this go into my spam folder? We had visitors from Australia two weeks ago, and in the buildup, there was two weeks where my wife and I were sure, we’ve heard of them. We haven’t heard of them. Oh, their messages went into my spam folder.

And when you looked at all messages, you didn’t get it. You had to click on Current Mailbox. You would think all messages would include Current Mailbox, but it didn’t. So it’s just a slick way of making sure that those advertisements get higher priority than your friends and family do. Exactly. And we’re planning an international trip for these people here. So they’re like, why haven’t they responded? And we’re like, why haven’t we heard from them? And then we just started using Instagram instead, which is why I’m a little more like Instagrammy now. They pushed me to Instagram, didn’t they? I want to point out, too, like, what Jamie was saying about this being NASA’s handout.

Like, please help. Otherwise we’re gonna collapse the whole premise of this movie. Even though it. To me, it looked like a. Like a pin or a button that you would put on, like. Like a brochure almost, but. Or a badge, but they keep calling it a coin. And the girl is holding on to this coin, and every time she uses it, it goes down in value. It actually has a little numeric reader in it. And the whole movie is that. That as she uses this coin more and more, it loses all of its value. And then she can’t get back to this Emerald City utopia place.

Social credit. And I was. And this was 2015. So this is post cryptocurrency even becoming somewhat of a. Like, a general zeitgeist thing. So I kept thinking, is this like a cryptocurrency or a financial ruin sort of analogy where, like, she has to keep finding more coins. And at the end of the movie, she gives these coins out to all these kids that are, like, fully charged and have all their value again. And it’s like, go and invest these coins. You know, better than your parents invested it. Your dumb boomer parents. That’s interesting. I was going back and looking over the plot, it listed it as the first time she ends up in the lake because her battery ran out.

But now we’re thinking of it as more like your. Your cryptocurrency. Or again, maybe if you do the wizard of Oz, Emerald City thing, that movie is also has some ways that you can watch it about abandoning the gold standard and this movie adopting cryptocurrency. Jamie, you were saying something there. Well, that was spot on with Zeitgeist, because what was one of the segments is that the Federal Reserve is devaluing the money. And fractional reserve banking is also, you know, making our money worth less and less the more we use it. Yeah, here we go. Living in Japan, I make money in yen.

I still have a notable American bank account. And yeah, in Japan, we watch the yen go down, down value and we’re like, oh my God, what’s happening? But everything basically costs like a little more. Things are. Inflation is happening here too. Chocolate costs twice as much. But then I hear about the inflation in the States and it seems like way more so that more money in the state seems to do less. And I end up in this real nice situation where I can use my American credit card in Japan and the yen goes. It’s. I, I’m making gangbusters right now.

So, I mean, the, the psychopaths in charge. The, the official company line is that inflation is good, that you want an inflationary economy in Japan. Yeah. Because that means growth and it means more movement. And don’t worry about this weird devaluation thing. That’s nothing. Just like, just go buy your $10 milk and $10 eggs and shit. Anyway, 20, 25 is the year of me using loopholes that are probably going to close in a year or two. So we’ll see. Why does Matt have so many musical instruments? Because he was using an American credit card and buying them in Japan and it was like a instant 40% off.

Like, that’s the thing. I use my. When I use American money in Japan with my American credit card from my American bank account, everything is 40 off. It’s great. But that can’t last forever. Whereas in America, the inflation’s just been so high, you know, you don’t get that. Right. But the, the international. We’re doing fine. Don’t worry about us. We’re doing just great out here. Did, did you ever hear that Disneyland had 33 original corporate sponsors? Huh? No, I don’t hear that. 33 for sure. Yeah. So. Well, some people think that that’s where that comes from.

But it was like Coke, Pepsi, Carnation, Chicken of the Sea, Frito Lay, Aunt Jemima and a whole bunch of others. But it was like spe finances and economy. This was supposed to be an advertisement fair, like a world’s fair. And in the beginning of the movie you have these scenes of like the New York World’s Fair. And then I think the 1960s World’s Fair is where he encounters Athena for the first time. Right. So this is. You have to think about Disneyland. It is a immersive commercial. Oh, 100. Every, every different area you go to, if you look close enough, you’ll see like this area sponsored by the same way that monster.

Oh, in Japan. They’re still very clear. It’s on the main sign. This is by, you know, this company is supporting this. Here’s where I got some insider stuff that maybe is relevant here. So when I was working at Disney, I learned that the Epcot Ball, the actual planet. Spaceship Earth. Spaceship Earth. That, that Spaceship Earth itself, there’s the ride part. And then you let out in this little kind of like foyer that’s got interactive games and just like little science stuff. And when you leave that door, if you walk around to the backside, there’s like a secret door in there that has like a little kiosk and probably has like a, like a bio reader at this point.

But if you go through there, there’s an upstairs part of Spaceship Earth that was rented out exclusively for corporations for a really long time. I think they might even have a thing. You can go in there now as a regular park guest. But it was owned by AT T AT1 point. Then it went to Siemens and then it like it jumps around. It’s the same way that a coliseum or a stadium might jump around to different brands. And every time one of those companies comes in, they basically just repurpose all the same futuristic looking stuff, but they swap out the logos.

So like it’s, it’s the same exact futurism approach because they don’t want to pay to like redo the models and pay to redo everything. But I think there’s a number of corporate lounges. Yeah, I think there’s a whole lot of corporate lounges. So. Well, and it was, it was something if you wanted to give a little talk and be all fan like, you know, build some rapport with maybe investors that you’re pitching something to and you’ve got the back of, you know, the park. Literally as you’re talking and giving this presentation, it’s Epcot behind you. So it was, it was kind of cool to work in those little areas.

Oh, 1955 Disneyland chicken. And see, you mentioned they had the chicken, the sea tuna boat in the pirate ship which had an all tuna, all tuna menu in 1955. Does that make you hungry or nauseous? I’m on Team Nauseous for that. How about you guys? As long as you get to drink the water from the pirate ride and trip like Homer. So yeah, what you just said, what this movie is about, it’s about the smartest, most creative people in the world forming a breakaway civilization. Given their TED talks at Epcot center, you know, like imagining this future for us.

And they want to build like an Irandian type of thing away from politics and bureaucracy and greed. They say. So all of the most. What they’re trying to say is like all of the most empathetic and altruistic people, smart scientists, they just want to get away from the crazies and make utopia for us, but we’re holding them back with all of our greed and vices. And I think, and this ties into my whole view of growing up in the late 90s and having this environmental, like political environmentalism be the status quo. I didn’t even know there was a non version of this, but that they kind of frame like people as this, this horrible thing to get away from.

And the biggest one is authority figures and parents. For example, if you notice when the girl finds the coin that lets her transport to Tomorrowland, this like utopian future, this. That’s kind of fake, right? Like, I guess the, the idea is that when you touch helps you pick up a frequency that’s being beamed to you. So you’re not actually seeing a real thing. You’re seeing a commercial for this thing that they want you to see. But you still have to be one of these chosen Indigo children because when she gives it to her dad, her dad can’t feel it.

And as soon as that happened, it’s like seeing. This is Disney in the state telling children, hey, you are so much smarter than your parents. They are so dumb. You have, they have absolutely no idea what’s going on. Look, even if you gave them this coin. Look, if you touch the coin and you don’t go to Tomorrowland, then that means you’re an idiot and you don’t belong in Tomorrowland. It’s like a, a technocratic eugenics, like whether or not when you touch the coin, if you don’t go to Tomorrowland, then you’re. You’re Worthless. You’re part of the problem.

Essentially. I want to throw out a couple movie references. One new, one old. I. I already mentioned the new Superman movie. And it’s. It’s really funny in this case, but. But in this case, Clark Kenton’s parents, His alien parents now kind of suck, and his Earth parents are now stupid. Like you’re saying, like, I mean, you know, his dad says something profound to inspire him, but the first time you see him, Mom’s got the cell phone on the table and she’s shouting into it. That’s what Ma Kent’s doing. And then Pa Kent’s on the other side of the room.

Are. They just seem, like, really derpy. So they’re kind of. And that movie has a very Tomorrowland vibe. The other one, I want to go back to 1979 for Moonraker, the James Bond movie in which Hugo Drax, one of the best named Bond villains ever, is sending a bunch of young hotties into space while he, you know, destroys the rest of the world. So he’s gonna come down with his, you know, 100 hotties to restart society. I’ll get Mormonism all over again. Yeah. So space babes. Yeah, I can think of a couple cults like that. Yeah.

Raelians is up there. You can even maybe fit Nexium in there, I guess. I don’t know how. How close to get to the extraterrestrials though stuff. I know Moonraker is a contender for the worst Bond movie, but it kind of is my favorite. Elon is trying to get there is. And he’s trying to take all his, like, harem to Mars one day, but he lacks a cool religion or a cult to go with it, does he? Yeah, he kind of does. He. You know what? He’s trying to make X a call. X is supposed to be the cause in it.

If. If he could somehow channel the charisma of a Jim Jones, with his ambition and resources and vision, he could be a great cult leader. But he just. He’s the opposite of Jim Jones charisma, which maybe is a good thing. I don’t know. Maybe that’s where he got the black eye from. Another. Just because I’ve got, like, my tinfoil hat on, especially since I knew Jamie was gonna be here. Like, I didn’t take it off. Like, I normally kind of like, put my normie hat on as I watch that. This. But George Clooney’s movie is absolutely a David Kesh style figure.

Or who was the. The guy at Ruby Ridge he, he feels like that because he’s living literally out in the middle of the woods, the middle of nowhere, trying to hide away from all this technology, even though he knows how to use it. And then he starts blowing stuff up. He’s got bombs, he’s got traps rigged. Like this is kind of a David Koresh scenario that the, the Casey runs into. Oh, totally. He would. He’s like a Unabomber character, right? Like, yeah, Kaczynski that like is smart enough to use the technology but hates it. Do you think he’s so salty because he was in love with the robot girl and he had to grow up without her? Yeah.

Again, I do have the note near the end here, which is watching a 50 year old. Was it watching a 50 year old guy having a lover’s spat with a 12 year old is extremely cringy. Just like the Escape from Tomorrowland movie that you kind of described that has like a Lolita pop. Maybe this closer than you thought with. But with an audio animatronic here. Let’s keep in mind these are, these are not Terminators. These are not cyborgs. These are audio animatronics. We get, we get key in here, right? As an audio animatronic that explodes. So it’s fine you say that she’s not a Terminator, but the climax of this movie, they turn her into a bomb.

True. Why is she self destructing is a good question. Don’t trust an audio animatronic that’s like, like I’m just an audio animatronic that has a self destruct mode. Do not steal Snow White’s apple. The queen will explode on you. There was another really cool one scene here where they kind of go into this hall of Presidents room that they. That’s called the Plus Ultra Society. Nikola Tesla, Jules Verne, Gustav Eiffel and Thomas Edison. And this is where they’re describing the technology that drives this thing is essentially Tesla tech. And that when they start describing this, this huge tower.

I was just gonna say they didn’t mention Tesla and called it the Edison tube. Well, they, they mentioned that Edison took credit. They like she said. But then he stops them. George Clooney steps in and I was like, of course you’re gonna step in. In CIA and like stop us from hearing about the actual. But, but Casey is like, well, actually Edison took credit and Tesla’s the one that. And then Clooney’s like, come on, let’s. Let’s stay on topic here. Let’s not get into the weeds and give people their. Their proper. But that it was, it was interesting because they’re describing that the tower itself, like an actual huge building, is an antenna and that Tesla designed it that way.

And I’ve heard like some theories that when Tesla, the actual Tesla, not the movie Tomorrowland Tesla, but when Nikola Tesla moved into this hotel and essentially became a recluse, right? You kind of like Howard used it a little bit that at that point in time it wasn’t just that he was a recluse and he was living in this hotel, but that that hotel itself was this ginormous Tesla coil or some sort of an antenna, and that he was using this thing to. To continue all of his experiments. And that a lot of people say, like, oh, he’d stop talking to people, he’s only talking to pigeons.

It was because he realized that everyone was spying on everyone else using all these different frequencies and antennas, and he was using the pigeons as carrier pigeons. And that was the only way that he thought he could send messages and receive messages without them being intercepted by other people tuning in on the frequencies. So he uses like organic, old school version. And we watch Valiant. That was my first thought. I was like, oh my God, maybe he was doing that for that reason. It’s kind of interesting to think too, you know, the whole thing of Tesla kind of like trying to make this like free tech or whatever.

And then guy getting pushed out of history, right? And then Late Nights, the movie the Prestige made Tesla cool again. Holy crap, David Bowie’s playing Tesla. How cool is that? And I do remember, like 15 years ago, Tesla was kind of like, you know, hipster inventor. So now the car company shows up and now if you say Tesla, everyone thinks you’re talking about a car. So he’s kind of been pushed out of the zeitgeist again, to use that word intentionally. Oh yeah. Classic conspiracy conferences would have at least one Tesla presenter. Like, I’m talking like the 2000s conspiracy consistency was all about Tesla.

And then like you just said before it was appropriated by Elon, Tesla was a big topic. Well, because free energy was a big topic. So people were like catching on, like, why should we have to pay exorbitant amounts of money for electricity and all of this like gasoline, when we can make things like Brown’s gas, or we could have, you know, free electricity or whatever. And then they just co opted the whole idea of Tesla coils and stuff and made it into a crappy car and silly cartoon mad scientist motifs. That was all pretty much Tesla Death ray stuff too.

And did you. Oh, go ahead. That’s fine. Go ahead. I was just gonna say the Eiffel Tower was also unveiled at a world’s fair, I think so now we’ve got three different world’s fairs throughout history they’re talking about. And the antenna they said to detect subspace and trans dimensional. So now you’re talking about aliens, angels, demons, that realm looking even trans aliens. Yeah. Yes. Peering into the spirit world. I end up not like if I had a time machine. World’s Fairs, 1893, 1939, 1964. That would be pretty high on list of places to check out for me, I think especially the 1893 Chicago one.

That is. Well, that was awesome. Just don’t get got by H.H. holmes. No, don’t do that. And I also like the idea, like. No, they were actually demolishing a very old city and this was just its last hurrah. You know, this is the Tartarian Old World theory. I have. Have. I have some qualms with that because anything that immediately downplays human contribution and human ingenuity in the past, it almost feels like this, like turning our ancestors into infants. And I think it’s the opposite, which is. It’s. It’s kind of wild because it’s the same premise of Tartaria is that our ancestors used to have this like crazy advanced tech and that we’re just so stupid now that they didn’t want to risk blowing our minds, so they destroyed all of us.

It. Well, we’re too stupid to have automats now, aren’t we? I guess so. Those looked great. Two words. Tide Pods. Right. Do those. Yeah. Why we can’t have keystones anymore in our architecture is because of Tide Pods. No. My wife’s American friend, when she visits Japan, her, you know, her constant refrain is, this is why you can’t have good things in America. Because we don’t quite have an automat. But yesterday I went to get the fried chicken from the convenience store. It was a little automatic where you pull it out and you know, buy it. But yeah, there’s a documentary recently about the auto mats, which is kind of speaking of Tomorrowland, I think in like the 20s or 30s, that was the vision for the future.

They had entire, like entire sections of New York City that were just automats that you’d walk in and it was like, we’re now living in the future. You can just walk into a room and pick up a ham sandwich and be on your way. And they. They Couldn’t handle it. The city could not handle automats. That is one thing to mention the automats, though. It wasn’t like McDonald’s. I mean it was the biggest franchise at the time. Was like basically in a couple major cities. Anywhere else you would not get that. That was a big city thing.

Right. So things are more spread out now. So something to think about. The first question or one of the first questions we came up today and I. This we’d never really answered because we got distracted in good ways. But why was 1952 the title for this? I’ve been doing some like research as we’ve been going and I cannot figure out what, what 1952 is important for. Is it important for NASA or Project Paperclip or one of those things? Paperclip was already several years down the pipe at this, wasn’t it? Yeah, I was looking at Disney history and NASA is a good idea in space flight.

1952 in space flight. What happens there in the U.S. navy. Yeah, when was that? One more time. When was Roswell? Roswell was 1947. Seven, yeah. So 52 is just like a weird date. Adopt a proposal, undertake the International Polar Year. When’s the Antarctic Treaty? That’s later. That’s like 67 or something, right? I don’t know why that came to mind, but probably because I saw the word Arctic, but Antarctica and hey, this is a time for listeners. 59. Okay, this is people listening. Definitely. If you got your hot take on why 1952 is so important for Tomorrowland.

Because 55 would make sense. That’s Disneyland. 54 might make sense. That’s the wonderful world of Disney or whatever. I think it was just called Disneyland at the time. Maybe like I said, the most close I could come up with is this where Disney got his bright idea for, for Epcot or something. You know, the silver ball fell on his head, a disco ball fell on his head and he dreamed up Epcot. I guess he was never gonna put Spaceship Earth in his version, but good, good call. I don’t know. I’m looking at the Treaty of San Francisco, which was the CIA related occupation of Japan was 1952.

But no, we got three people here know how to do research. Me probably the least. And we’re, it’s fascinating. We’re not finding a hit because there were promotional Items made with 1952 on it. I’ve got a weird one. I’ve got a freaking weird one. This is just like, this is like we’re doing this live right now. We’re grasping at straws a little bit. It’s fine. So 1951, University of Maryland, Fred Singer gave a series of lectures to the British Interplanetary Society, talking about small artificial satellites to conduct scientific observations. In 1952, he. He put out a actual public presentation called Mouse, which was minimum orbiting unmanned satellites of the Earth.

So 1952 was the announcement of this satellite group called Mouse. So maybe that’s the link between Disney and NASA and all this. That’s so crazy, because interplanetary society. I believe Arthur C. Clarke was part of that that you might want to check me on that. But he was a big proponent of science fiction, space, homosexuality in space, all kinds of different sex with aliens and panspermia ideas. Yeah, you know, you’re totally right. He was in this interplanetary society, and. And, yeah, he wanted to be the first one to do all kinds of stuff in space. Right.

Like, if you went. I kind of always think about this all the time. If I. I went into space and I, like, me and Matt are in space, and I, like, stole something from you, I could be, like, the first person that stole something in space or the first person that, like, you know, gave, like, a noogie in space. Like, there’s so many fur. Like, the first person to get into a car crash in space. Like, all these things are going to happen. The first murder in space. Are they going to crash a space car floating around in the cosmos due to muscle? It’s gonna have some.

The first DUI in space. Guaranteed. That’s gonna happen at some point. Right? Right. You’ll be the first one ever. I want to ride the Eiffel Tower into space. Like a steampunk fantasy rocket. Like in this movie. Yeah, for sure. Okay, I’m gonna take your 1952 hit because I can’t find anything else. I’m still looking. Until we find something better. And it has the MOUSE reference, too, so that’s perfect. Well, Jamie, you had five pages of notes. I think I’ve spat out most of my. I might have a few more snarky things if I needed to, but can you say that.

What does MOUSE stand for? One more time? Yeah. MOUSE stood for Minimum orbiting unmanned satellites of the Earth. And the guy’s name was Fred Singer. He’s the one that presented that in 1952. Unmanned satellite. I never heard of that before. This is. We usually don’t. We usually don’t do it live. And that’s a. That’s a pretty shoehorned acronym because. So they really wanted to Be mouse. That’s not a good. I mean, you know. National Aeronautics and Space Administration, 1958. I saw a Facebook post that said on this date in 1952, NASA started. That’s where I’m like, the previous name of NASA, because the.

The official NASA histories are just like 1958. But I know somebody was doing something before that, that. Hold on. Natural. National Advisory Committee for aeronautics is 1915. That doesn’t work. Yeah. Yeah. I guess we’re going with yours because. Well, I mean, even better, too. This. This guy, Fred Singer, he wrote a few books that were all about global warming, global change. One was called Global Climate Change 1989. Hot Talk, Cold Science, 1997. So he was sort of a scientific version of an Al Gore. Which is. Which is on brand for this movie, because that’s the whole premise of the movie, is that you got this Al Gore figure that gets wildly out of control.

He forces everyone to watch An Inconvenient Truth, which in turn makes polar bears die. Because he’s beaming the idea of polar bears dying in everyone’s heads, and then they’re fulfilling that prophecy. I was at just last night, I was doing a test for a student, and it was something about teddy bears. And then it was talking about. Now people see polar bears more as victims than as predators. So this is on a standardized test that I’m, like, quizzing a kid with yesterday, you know, and it is. And the age. Think of when you’re growing up, a polar bear sounds terrifying.

Now you’re like, oh, the poor polar bears. You know, it needs me. It needs me to save it. Yeah. So that is, I think every kid, in order to counterbalance, for me to counterbalance An Inconvenient Truth, they should have made us watch Grizzly man and it would have just completely balanced itself out. Like, I don’t care. Like, let the polar bears die. Yeah. Did you know that when Al Gore went to do his live speaking events of that movie, he would bring that stupid crane with him everywhere? Like, talk about where he used to make that point about, like, temperatures or something.

And he’s like, it’s gonna be up here. And he has to, like, get on a stupid crane. And it’s like, oh, I don’t. I barely remember that. But yeah, I mean, I’m sure that was very green of him to have a crane film everywhere. Yeah. I was ironically stuck in the forest doing. And the beaches, doing environmental education, as I said before. So I missed. I missed all this completely because it was 2004. No 32003 for Inconvenient Truth. Was it? Was it? No way. No way. What’s the year on the Inconvenient Truth? Not even. I am curious why I graduated in 01.

Oh, 2007. 6. Oh, hell, we’re all off. Okay. I don’t know what I saw. I know for a fact that I saw a presentation by Al Gore about polar. Maybe you just saw a presentation. I think he had been making the presentations and then finally they made into a more produced movie. So it might have been someone just showed the presentation, you know, like again like a TED Talk or something. Because I Especially once he wasn’t, you know, in the. In the. That. That whatever they. Wherever they put stick to vice president anymore. He was probably had more time for that.

Yeah. So I’m guessing. Okay. Yeah, it started as the climate project. TCP there. Tcp. I guess eventually same information maybe just not as glossy as that that movie was. I don’t know. Feel free to throw out another note. But I guess we start winding it down for today then. Well, the climax of the movie, they actually take the Eiffel Tower and blast into another dimension, which is like this defunct land. Right. Where Dr. House is in charge now. Or Governor Nix, they call him. Hugh Laurie is the Demiurge character. Sort of. My note says the robot girl is the Promethean character.

Casey is Sophia. She can fix the world. And the monitor is the all seeing eye. And oh, they talk about Tachyon Towers. Sci fi love these tachyons in these. Like. Oh yeah, the Trekkie tachyon jumped out to me. They say that every other week on, you know, Next Generation. Yeah, so these machines keep in touch with other dimensions. They can see backwards and forwards in time and they’re predicting this apocalyptic cryptic event. And the unavoidable end of the world is in 58 days. So they’re like right under the buzzer. I guess an interesting contrast would be the.

What Nick Cage and the. The knowing movie. You know, that. That there’s. That’s where there’s some numbers or something where. Oh, it shows how many people are going to die on certain dates from like some savant girl or something. And the Last1 is EE everyone else, meaning everyone’s gonna die on this date. So the whole movie’s about Tomorrowland is like, oh, it’s a lie and the world’s not going to end. Whereas knowing. I believe the world ends at the end of that movie. Well, it ends. People survive. Yeah, it ends in a lot. Big sci fi franchises too.

Like 2001 and childhood is end. They love of ending the story with nuking the earth and taking all the children away. Well, this one, they do take the children away. They just take them away to the future. Or. Or they’re taking the future children into the past and. Right. That’s what they’re doing. They’re kind of siphoning them. Yeah. And they say not everybody replaced with robots. Are we going doppelgangers here? Yeah. Not every audio animatronic. Not everyone is going into the future. The machine is broadcasting the future. The monitor, instead of making you feel positive, it makes you feel negative, creating a negative outcome feedback loop.

It amplifies. So this is like the oracular machine that creates reality. What are they trying to say with this? But also that it’s binary. It either is on good mode or white wolf mode, or it’s on bad negative mode, which is black wolf mode. And that you have to feed the right mode. And I like what Matt was saying before and like the sort of mantra version of this or where you remove yourself from the white wolf versus the black wolf. Not to get all Masonic, but it’s about like the blend of the checkerboard floor not just standing on white and just standing on black.

That it would only work if you had a little mix of. Sure. Of both in this one. Transcend good and evil. Huh. Sorry, I need to look this up real quick to properly say it, but are you folks familiar with the series of Buddhist paintings that kind of go along these lines? In this case, it’s a elephant and a monkey. Maybe. Okay. Anyway, there’s many versions of this, but it’s supposed to be a path to enlightenment where it’s like you have an elephant, a monkey, and they’re both going crazy. Those are your two wolves, basically. Okay.

Taming the elephant, the monkeys riding the elephant’s back. And then how do I’m looking at a very tiny image? Because again, I’m doing this having not thought about before. You have inside you is an elephant and a monkey. And they’re both. Yeah. At the end, the final pictures, this dude riding the elephant with the monkey and they’re on fire, like in a cool way. So I guess that’s enlightenment. But yeah. Yeah. This just the path that you would tame these wolves and they wouldn’t matter anymore with being a more spiritual version. Whereas this one is like, choose your wolf and feed it, you know? So I.

I have one other thing that I do need a shoehorn in here. Otherwise I’ll. I’ll. Regret it for the rest of my life. But that Casey is also maybe going through these Eleusinian Mysteries because every time she touches this coin and gets transported into this, like, different reality, she’s in this wheat field. And that’s the. The whole symbolism of the Eleusinian Mysteries through Demeter and Persephone is going through these wheat fields. And, like, the meter is linked to wheat. In fact, it’s the goddess of Ceres is her other name, which is where the word cereal comes from.

From wheat. And I. And I kept seeing that. That every time one of these kids or one of these indigo children touches one of these coins and gets teleported, they end up directly in this wheat field. So it’s like they’re all being initiated into this secret mystery school, which. It fits this movie like a glove almost. One little counterpoint to that is just. I also felt like it was like the barrier between whatever this is in dreams. And often if you’re entering a dream that way. So I. You know, it’s. You do end up in kind of like a whatever situation.

The first time I managed to do the. The Wild method thing, I was in my bed. It’s kind of. I feel like it’s a similar rush. And then I was actually standing near a dumpster for all you normies. That stands for awake initiated lucid dream. Right. So the first time it worked, I was like, next to a dumpster in, like, the back of an office complex. And I, you know, fully lucid. I’m like, oh, this is where I ended up. And I immediately left because that’s not interesting. But it was like ending up in a wheat field.

Right? And then a lady in a polka dot dress walked by and you shot someone. And it was. Was hard to remember anything beyond that. Hard to remember anything beyond that. Yeah. Who knows? That’s what this is actually a prison cell here with the Cookie Monster and the Telecaster. I totally agree with you about the Eleusinian Mysteries because we just did a show, me and Donut, about mystery schools, and we were talking about how important the wheat was to that. And so, yeah, she’s definitely a Persephone character that is going to another dimension, maybe Hades, maybe babies, Elysius, something like that.

But, yeah, I agree. I’m. I know I had other reads on this movie. It’s. It’s actually a decent one. There’s, like, a nice amount. There’s a lot to talk about. That’s why I said it’s like 3% away from being a really good movie. But that 3% takes it from being a man to a chimpanzee. Okay, here. Jellyfish to a man, or a banana to a man or whatever it is. 3% do do it. Okay, it’s a 3%. Yes, good point to both of you on what you think the take is. So my impression, watching this movie is that while you’re being tele teleported to this like Elusinian field, right? That you’re still in your normal physical space.

Almost like putting on a VR headset. If you start walking around, you’re going to walk into a wall. This, this girl falls downstairs, she ends up in the middle of a marsh, she ruins her phone. So what she’s doing in this virtual world is affecting what she’s doing in the actual physical world. And it’s having real physical repercussions. But then when they are in this, this Tomorrowland, they’re flying around in the air and they’re like in sort of like a little like jet monorail kind of contraptions. And this one point when they’re, they’re flying through the air in the top of this rocket that broke off and it hits like the side of a building and, and it, and it shows them almost like getting knocked out.

I was like, oh, this is MK Ultra brain concussion research all over again. But I’m wondering, can you die in Tomorrowland? And it makes you die in the real world because they imply that you can die, you can hurt yourself in the real world while you’re in Tomorrowland. But what happens if someone kills you in Tomorrowland? Do you die in the real world? The impression I got is when she was falling downstairs and walking to marshes. That was the advertisement where everything was pristine and you could, you know, walk into walls and stuff. Later on they go to the real Tomorrowland, which is run down into a little more run down.

Decrepit. Right. And that actually is another physical space. And hey, yeah, sure, you can die there. So if you died in the advertisement, you’re dying in the real world while having a dumb VR experience later when they’re in the real one and flying around rockets. Yeah, you just legit died. Okay, so in the advertisement version, is it like dying in the Matrix? So it’s a freaking dangerous advertisement. Yeah, maybe if you die in the ad, you just wake up in the real world. Well, I have a friend that wants to eventually do a podcast which is if you die in the game, do you die in real life? So I’ll make sure he does this movie movie when he does that.

It fits. I guess we do need a wrap up because I need to catch a train soon. But if you have another point, I have enough time for that for sure. Well, I was just gonna say let’s get to the end. Governor Nix is trying to save civilization by showing its collapse. He says humans embrace the apocalypse and then he gives this extinction rebellion speech. I don’t know if you’ve heard of those guys. The extinction, extinction rebellion guys. But basically like it’s just the doomsday people and they want to accelerate everything to the point of collapse so that they can build it back better.

So another great reset. Let’s see. Athena learned human love. They blow up the antenna in Tomorrowland. It looks like the Eye of Sauron. Yeah. A big evil building that’s telling everyone that the world is going to end. And they need the children to imagineer a new world because they say they’re looking for dreamers. Right. Or the Indigo children or the special kids that they have groomed to be globalist citizens. Right. And, and, and what summons the children and their little magical metal tokens to the eye of sight of Sauron. Right. It’s like the same thing. Like instead of rings, they’re coins.

But it’s kind of the similar premise. Put a pin in that for our cartoon cabal where we’re talking about Eva, where they have to get children to save the world. Right. Are you familiar with with that series at all? No. Is that a Disney cartoon? It’s a Japanese anime from the late 90s called Neon Genesis Evangelion. And it’s about. About literal fallen angel Nephilim that that try and take over the world and that humanity has to use the dead carcasses of these Nephilim and mix it with like mech suits so that they can control it to fight the angels back.

And it gets like real deep into Kabbalah and all sorts of stuff to pilot these things. Yeah. Only 14 year old children are the ones that can take over the body of enough them. Oh, that sounds like Ender. Not the whole thing, but in Ender’s game it was the children too because they were the best at video games. Do you remember that book? For some reason I saw that movie too. There was. There was also a movie similar to that. I think it was called Gamer, if I’m not mistaken. Oh no. There’s an Ender game movie with a very grumpy Harrison Ford in it.

It’s not a great movie though. Book. Book is, you know, better. The movie also flopped because I think the author came out saying horrible stuff right when the movie came out. So just kind of like put, you know, it wasn’t a good movie either. So it was like, kind of double screwed when it came out. I. Matt, I just want to. I think you had the great summary of this movie that it, it’s a movie that’s probably better to talk about than the movie is itself. So it’s worth, it’s worth watching to then just do thought experiments or discuss it with someone.

But, But I don’t know if you have like a, like a satisfying cinematic experience watching it. Yeah, I mean, honestly, I, I literally have to go soon, but I, I, I could dangerously say the words Plus Ultra, which we only talked about a little bit and could probably go on about for another hour if we wanted to call into work. They’ll understand. Be like, we had to talk about + ultra. That was the secret society, right. Of Breakaway guys. Yeah. Yeah. And we’ve been talking about, see the, the theme park thing where they have a similar thing going.

Exactly what I thought of too. It was like the Explorers Club or the Adventurers Club. She was already a thing when this came out, too. More synergy. That south park thing. Well, that, that’s based on a real thing that was founded in the early 20th century and south park was spoofing it, but that was 100% a real thing that, like, rich explorers join this club and they’d meet up in New York and talk about out how many Hottentots they had captured or whatever. Oh, wow. Yeah. Watch a ride through of Tokyo’s Tower of Terran. Make sure it has a walk through the line where they look at the paintings.

The paintings are some of the best things ever with Henry Hightower III and his Manzaren Schmelding escaping with valuable sacred relics with, you know, various indigenous tribes chasing him. It’s on my list, man. I got to get out there. Yeah, but. Well, we’ve already plugged our cartoon cabal, so I’ll say I’m finished. That’s fine for me. Just yours. Jamie, do all your plugs tell people where they can find more of your work? Yeah. That was awesome. Thanks for having me on, guys. I’ll talk all day about this kind of stuff, but we just did. And some really great shows about technocracy with Courtney Turner, so go check out those.

Game B. And the Dark Enlightenment is 1. 1. 1’s called American Sharia. One’s called. What is it called? Oh, we just did one called Meatballs and Worms. With Brett Carolla about NASA and Disney, so check out that one next time too. And Donut, we just did mystery schools and micro cults, so lots of fun stuff at my channel. And Thomas, in the near future too. And shout out to Dona. I’ll try. Remember to put our Illuminati comic ad at the end of this video. Yeah. All right, then. I’ll see you all tomorrow. Land Learn about the full history of the Bavarian Illuminati.

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