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➡ The text is an introduction and conversation from a podcast series by "Paranoid American", a comic publisher that delves into world mysteries such as secret societies and occult symbols in pop culture. In this particular episode, the hosts converse with Slick Frank Sanders, a part of the "Hush Hush Society", which covers topics like conspiracies, mysteries, cults etc., and discuss their fascination with the enigmatic, establishment of their own podcast, and their evolving views on aliens.
➡ The discussion touches on various topics including mainstream underground alien theories, ancient alien civilization belief, skepticism towards alien sightings, conspiracy theories, and their personal experiences with the September 11 attacks. The speakers also entertain the idea that aliens might be gods or otherworldly beings but acknowledge that these theories are speculative in nature.
➡ The speaker and his brother, influenced by their conspiracy theorist uncle, started questioning official narratives in their late twenties. Despite their uncle's more extreme theories, they appreciate his input and contemplation of him featuring in their podcast. They also share their belief scale (0-10) on various aspects like Bigfoot, moon landing, flat earth, existence of ghosts etc, with interesting divergence on dinosaurs' existence and the Mandela effect.
➡ The discussion revolves around the skepticism towards the existence and authenticity of dinosaurs, highlighting that paleontology is hypothetical, entire dinosaur skeletons are never found intact, museums display plaster casts rather than actual dinosaur bones. Participants also question the gap between belief in dinosaurs and Bigfoot. The conversation further moves to theories about Tartaria suggesting that the evidence for Mud Floods, a cataclysm wiping out ancient civilizations, is inconclusive and location-based. Controversy about the world fairs being set up to justify the destruction of remnants of ancient civilizations is brought up, but downplayed given the duration those fairs ran for.
➡ The text discusses views around temporary architectural structures, the commercialization of historical buildings as tourist attractions, the difficulty of capturing evidence of paranormal activities due to their unpredictable nature, the theory of ghosts as time stains perceptible to human eyes, doubt on capturing apparitions on cameras, and the concept of demons as personified bad energy or the worst aspects of humanity.
➡ The speaker believes in the existence of both good and bad energies or entities, human nature and the potential for people to be influenced toward evil by outside entities. They also delve into conspiracy theories, especially around JFK's assassination, touching on possibilities like Lee Harvey Oswald being set up and roles of CIA, Mafia or other entities. They suggest that truthful information might be revealed when those connected to or interested in the event are all gone. The speaker finally remarks how such compelling and unsolved theories can serve as a 'gateway drug' pushing people deeper into collective mysteries or conspiracy theories.
➡ The participants discuss a variety of topics, including simulation theory, artificial intelligence, law enforcement, and political and economic systems. They debate about the existence of good and bad in code, the potential threats posed by AI, and their skepticism towards law enforcement. They also express a preference for self-sufficiency and a barter system over capitalism or communism.
➡ The speaker reminisces about a skit, discusses potential show ideas, and promotes their conspiracy theory podcast, 'Hush hush society conspiracy hour'. They also discuss the importance of different perspectives in their roundtables and hint at getting professionals engaged.
➡ The dialogue revolves around an intro video featuring reptilians and the repercussions of dropping off from it, future collaborations involving roundtables and audio dramas, and a reminder from a podcast called Paranoid American to always stay alert. They also mention an upcoming commercial about Homunculus.
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Video TranscriptionGood evening, listeners. Brave navigators of the enigmatic and the concealed. Have you ever felt the pull of the unanswered, the allure of the mysteries that shroud our existence? For more than a decade, a unique comic publisher has dared to dive into these mysteries, unafraid of the secrets they might uncover. This audacious entity is paranoid American. Welcome to the mystifying universe of the paranoid podcast. Launched in the year 2012, paranoid American has been on a mission to decipher the encrypted secrets of our world.
From the unnerving enigma of MKUltra mind control to the clandestine assemblies of secret societies, from the aweinspiring frontiers of forbidden technology to the arcane patterns of occult symbols in our very own pop culture, they have committed to unveiling the concealed realities that lie just beneath the surface. Join us as we navigate these intricate landscapes, decoding the hidden scripts of our society and challenging the accepted perceptions of reality.
Folks, I've got a big problem on my hands. There's a company called Paranoid American making all these funny memes and comics. Now, I'm a fair guy. I believe in free speech as long as it doesn't cross the line. And if these AI generated memes dare to make fun of me, they're crossing the line. This is your expedition into the realm of the extraordinary, the secret, the shrouded. Come with us as we sift through the world's grand mysteries, question the standardized narratives, and brave the cryptic labyrinth of the concealed truth.
So strap yourselves in, broaden your horizons, and steal yourselves for a voyage into the enigmatic heart of the Paranoid American podcast, where each story, every image, every revelation brings us one step closer to the elusive truth. You guys done it again. Here we go. You done it again. You tuned into the paranoid American Podcast. What the hell is wrong with you? Have you not been paying attention to any of the warnings and the strikes and the bans? What lies ahead is not suitable for anybody.
You shouldn't even be listening to this. But today we've got Slick Frank Sanders. He's up there in the window. He's peeking down and we got I'm just I'm having fun with the layouts lately, but collectively known as the Hush Hush Society. And you guys make some interesting content. I think I came across you a ways back and I saw you had put, like, a little YouTube skit together and it was right up my alley, man.
It hit like, every note you mentioned jolly west right out of the gate. And I fell in love immediately. So it was almost love at first sight. But I want to let you guys give a chance to introduce yourselves where people can find you. Social media, any kind of, like, prods you're selling. Just shout it out now. We'll do it up front. Go ahead, Frank. Word up. Well, Mr.
Paranoid American, we appreciate it a ton. Thank you for the introduction. Yeah, Mike and I are part of the hush hush Society conspiracy hour. You can find us at WW hushhushsociety. com. There you can find all of our socials, you can listen to all of our episodes on any major platforms that you listen to podcasts on. You just look up Hush Hush Society and you were surely to find us.
And we cover conspiracies mysteries, cryptids science, French science, cults, whole lot of different things. So if you're into Paranoid American, you'll be into our show, too. If either of you guys had to join a cult, like, they were all still going right now. They were all still looking for members all under the umbrella, everyone. Yeah, they're all going. Which one would you join, though? Like, if you had to pick one? Man, that's a tough one.
Barring the inevitable suicide or killing. Yeah, let's say that you can slip out at the last second. I'm going to go grab a pack of smokes. It's heaven's gate, then? It's got to be heaven's gate Is it because of the decades? It's because the decades, right? Yeah, it's the decades. Yeah. Hell yeah. But see, you'd have to castrate yourself. That's the table for heaven's gate. You know, Marshall wouldn't be cool with you if you were walking around with that alpha male appendage just like, telling everyone, you know what I mean? You would be just sticking out like a sore thumb, bro.
You think there were Tuckers there? I don't know. There had to be at least one. What happens when they get to the meteor and they're like they get to the Hill Bob Comet, right? And they're like, welcome back down there. What's that? What do you got there? What about you, slick? Would be heaven's gate zoo. No, I'm leaning towards Om Shinrikyo. However you pronounce it. I'm trying to watch anime and eat strips of acid.
I mean, pre terrorist attacks, obviously. Like, if I could slip out at any moment, it would be before the terrorist attacks. Like when they were just doing cool basement stuff when they're first just like starting up the AR 15 factory, right? Yeah, right. Once they started getting those Russian supply drops where they forced everybody to put AK 74s together in basements, that's about when I would have slipped out.
Fair enough. I would have went with Nexium. That sounds like a pretty fun one at the last second, you know what I mean? Yeah. You got to think about the sex cults. Well, in my opinion, there's really not any cult that doesn't become a sex cult at some point. It feels like it's like an essential aspect of it. Almost every good cult I can think of had some kind of sex going on, either having it or not having it.
Yeah, having gay rule. So when did you guys get started? Do you guys know each other off the podcast and decided to make one, or where did you first meet? Where did you two first meet us? Too. Yeah. So us two met what was it, the year 2000? The turn of the century. Turn of the century. We've known each other for quite a while. Quarter century. Yeah. So little secret.
All right, just for you and your listeners, little secret. Keep it on the low. Me and Frank are actually brothers. They all know now. They all know. Don't let it out. Don't tell your friends. And Dave, he's been my best friend for a lot, a lot of years. And I was doing a podcast prior to this about movies, and my co host kind of ducked out for personal reasons.
Dave jumped on for a couple episodes and he know I could be your new host. And I said, you know what, let's just start something new. Let's get into what we really like and what we're into. I don't want to force you to do something that you're not into and kind of jump into a project that's already going. So we threw some ideas back and forth about what we wanted to do.
It was kind of obvious. It started off with aliens. That's just basic base. And then from there it was just, all right, conspiracies. And then from there it just grew and grew and grew. And we went to Franc and said, hey, you ready to do this? You want to jump in? We're going to have a third, and it's going to be a big thing. And from there, it just flourished.
We're coming up on our three year anniversary. He was telling me that before we started, you're around, like 150 episodes or so. Yeah, all included. We do Debriefings, which are just we get into topics. Then we have declassified discussions, which we do interviews. And Cryptid Chronicles where it's kind of a themed episode where we pretend that we're around a campfire and we're talking about cryptids. It's been a while since we've done a Cryptid Chronicles, usually because we bring on other podcasters to do it.
But yeah, all in all, there's a lot of content. And then we have like, patreon stuff. So it's hours and hours and hours. Tell me you've done a Nematode Cryptid episode. No. We got Nematode and Quailman. Hell yeah. Get into it. That would be good. So you said that you started out doing Alien stuff. Was that just because you guys were already interested and or believe in Aliens? Or was it just like a hot topic? So the podcast had not started.
This was still in the brainstorming idea phase where we were trying to figure out what the show was going to become. So I think Aliens was just like the easy step towards everything else that we would want to cover at that. So is this like ancient Aliens approach? Do you guys basically believe in the Zechariah Stitchin sort know we're here to mine resources for aliens approach, or do you have any specific views on it? It's changed so much over the course of the past three years with all of the information that's come out and all of the research the three of us has done over the course of the show.
But going into it, yeah, that's kind of what the thought process was, especially during the brainstorming phase, like Mike said, like the whole ancient aliens idea. And that just sort domino effected into other subjects, for lack of a better term. What's, like the mainstream underground alien theory? Is it still Zechariah Sitchin or have there been other big ones that have kind of taken effect? Two words or less? Two words or less? No, I don't think that there's any major ones that have maybe taken over.
I do like the kind of planet seeding idea. When we were talking with Bruce Fenton, who was deep into the knowledge of our former DNA and ancient, you know, got us into the topic of talking know, maybe out of Africa theory is not the predominant theory for where humans came from or where we were born or where we spawned from, I should say. But the belief that there was some sort of ancient alien, for lack of a better term, civilization that came here and just kind of dropped us off and said, all right, do your thing.
Grow up. So I'm kind of into that theory. But as far as disclosure and all the shit that's going on now, a lot of me is just very skeptical of it and not really into the idea that there's a bunch of aliens floating around and just deciding to show themselves to us. Now, if you're one of the lucky ones with the you're cool enough if you get in the alien club and they show themselves to you.
And the way that you mentioned seating, it reminds me of the movie Prometheus where they just kind of, like, drop a little goo in the ocean and then zap away to some other solar system and Neilon's years go by and goo turns into monkeys. Turns into monkeys. Where are you guys on evolution? If you're somewhere on the alien stuff, do you think that evolution is a big lie that Darwin just kind of planted in there with his Rockefeller homies, or do you think there's something to it? 80% of me believes that we're in a simulation which kind of disregards evolution for the most part.
But in regards of aliens, yeah, I think we came out of the ocean and just kind of morphed up into two legs for monkeys. It's sort of along the Darwinism line. How do, like, Anunnaki and nephilim and things like that fit into that sort of view? Is it mythology? Do you think that there was actually some kind of greater beings on Earth, like, way, way back when? Or do you think they were just, like, hyped up over time? I think there's a great possibility of otherworldly beings, whether they be giants or other types of alien civilizations.
I think they might have shown themselves more often back then. But then again, there's also the theory of, like, Mark Booth, who talks about that maybe it wasn't aliens. And that's the way that we interpret it now today, with science fiction and movies. And what we've been kind of fed since the 1940s is that instead of it being aliens, that it is gods, it is multiple deities. And throughout time, we've lost the ability to commune with gods.
So in ancient cultures, we were closer to deities and gods. They visited us, they talked to us, they showed themselves, and then slowly but surely throughout the Eons, they've disappeared, they've gone away, and they show themselves less and less and less. So I think I'm more in that vein of, like, maybe there is aliens, but maybe aliens are also gods. Maybe they're deities. Maybe they are universal creators that have kind of gone away mostly because we lack the ability to see them or commune with them anymore.
If Independence Day happens, are you, like, driving out of town? Are you holding up the welcome to Earth sign on the top of the building? Yeah, that's a good one. I think as far as human nature goes, we're skeptical of things. I think you'd have to be kind of loony to look at it and go, these guys are our saviors. They're here to take us away and they're here to save us.
If anything, I like to use the metaphor of how often do you stop to help an ant? Like, you see an ant on the ground and it's struggling, maybe it's on its back. Maybe it's just trying to get over some crack in the road to bring its food back. How often do you pick that ant up and say, I'm going to help you? Never. Most of the time, we're on completely different levels where you don't exist to us and we don't exist to you, and that's the way that it is.
You said that you went from aliens and then started getting into conspiracy theories. Do you guys have your MVP conspiracy theories? Like your top threes? If you could go to a desert island and you can only bring three conspiracy theories with you, it was JFK, 911 and Epstein. I don't think there's another answer. I think that was it. Those were like the three heavy hitters that we knew we wanted to get into when we opened up the show.
I think MKUltra is up there too. That's probably like tied for a third, for sure. So low ranked. So damn low. So those are really good ones. How old were you guys when 911 happened? Frank, how old were you? Yeah, I was one. Okay. I was shitting my pants watching Sesame Street and eating applesauce. So I'm curious, man, what was it like growing? Did you have a pop quiz at some point in 10th grade? And it was like, what was the day that september 11? I don't know, because it happened after I was well out of school.
I was in the military when 911 actually had happened, but I didn't experience growing up in like a post 911 sort of environment. Apparently it had a huge effect if it makes your top three. Yeah, growing up. No, we didn't really learn about it in school all too much. I remember watching this documentary when I was maybe seven or eight, and that's sort of when I really learned about 911.
And I watched the documentary maybe like two or three times because I thought it was just like so crazy in the sunroom in my mom's house. Was this like two or three? I don't remember exactly which one it was. I couldn't tell you. Like I said, I was a child, but it was this one documentary that I watched probably three times over the span of like a month or two.
Yeah, school. There wasn't really curriculum on 911, especially growing up. I don't know. It was weird. Never forget except for school. Yeah, I guess it's an interesting one for me because I wasn't even told about it while I was in the military. I was in training and they didn't want to disrupt our training. So I kind of went in not knowing about 911 and coming out, hearing about it sort of third hand, but never going through the national bonding and basically the trauma programming.
Right. You guys also skipped that. You kind of skipped the trauma programming, too, it sounds like. Oh, no, I was deep in it. That shit happened when I was in high school, okay? I was a junior in high school when that happened. And I remember vividly what happened. It's like that whole kids running down the hall type of thing. Then it was being shoved into a singular classroom with like 80 other kids and they're rolling in a TV, the TV on the cart and showing it live, and I remember seeing the second plane hit and it was a whole thing.
And it was kind of a weird situation following that because it was, all right, we're going back to school. Everybody go to your classes. And every class after that was like, I know what we witnessed this morning if anybody wants to talk about it. So it's kind of like this weird kind of, I don't know, almost like a spill your guts type of thing for the rest of the day.
Talk to your friends and talk to us. Mental health day for everybody. Yeah, kind of one of those things. But it was very weird. It was very weird. I know people that had friends that died there because we're in close proximity. We're in Connecticut, so it's like hop skipping a jump. Some people that we know worked over there, friends of family and whatever else. So it was kind of like this weird day of holding your breath to see what shakes out and who was affected.
But yeah, every day after that was the post 911 world just became this craziness of like, every other day. You're worried about a shoe bomber, you're worried about more planes being taken over, you're worried about what's the next hit going to be. And then the worst part about it, I think, was the one year anniversary of it. So the one year anniversary of it, of course, everybody's having these remembrances and things like that, but there was this heavy cloud of just kind of fear and this feeling of doom because you didn't know if it was the first year.
Now what's going to happen? Is there going to be copycats? Is there going to be another attack on that day? Is there going to be you had no idea. Where were you at conspiracy theory wise at this point? Were you following the official narrative as the real one, or did you already have a suspicion against the government at this point? It wasn't deep seated. The conspiracy part of my brain, mostly because I'm like 18 years old.
All I'm thinking about is fucking girls at that point. At that time, I'm 18 years old, I'm working at a porn shop, of all things. So that was so far out of my mind at that time. My conspiracy self didn't really come to fruition until my late 20s just because of everything going on. But I think that's really when it took off, is like, late 20s just everything was question.
So did one of you start questioning 911 before the other one? And did you guys try to convince each other? Was it around like the same time? I'm curious how that happened, because some families brothers are completely different and other ones sometimes are just always on the same page. So I guess you lucked out that neither of you thinks the other one's just like an absolute QAnon Whack ball, right? Luckily, it wasn't one trying to convince the other.
We had this common relative being our mother's brother, who we both grew up having this dude, like, shouting conspiracy theories. Hell yeah. Uncle Alex Jones. Right. Yeah, Uncle Alex Jones is right. I remember it was probably like my 11th or twelveTH birthday. I know it was one of my birthdays growing up. And this dude was telling me that the planes that hit the World Trade Centers were holograms.
And I'm sure he told Mike similar things as he was growing. I mean, I couldn't say one of us believed it before the other, but we had both had somebody telling us this, as we know. Maturing, where are you at on the hologram theory? I don't think it's unrealistic, personally. If there's an 80% chance we're in a simulation, that anything's possible, right? Yeah, man. Yeah, for sure. And it's all holograms.
Yeah, there's only a 20% chance that we're not holograms. I mean, that's still a decent chunk of percentage. I like it. I like the metric. So what was Mike, you said late twenty s. You started getting hotter into it. Was it like a specific thing? Clearly it wasn't 911 in particular that sold you right. So was it like Epstein or was it what was it? Because I don't even remember anything that really happened between then other than my more mature brain kind of looking at things other than partying and all that other BS.
Was there like a book or a documentary or like a talk or anything? No, in all honesty, it was that relative because I grew up with him doing the same type of thing. I mean, he was a wild, wild man, substance abuse type of person, but realistically, still absolutely lovable and greatest person. I'm actually named after him, but at some point I just kind of start listening to him.
You mature more and you become kind of able to hold a conversation with someone on that level. And he starts talking about this and he starts talking about that. I don't know that there was any defining moment. I think it was just, hey, you've been saying this for a long time. I'm wondering why you're saying this and then starting to look into it and yeah, from there it just kind of grew.
So. I mean, realistically, I think we can thank Uncle Mike for starting the hush hush society. If Uncle Mike had just listened to, like, Rush Limbaugh that entire time and not Alex Jones or William COO, would you guys be at like, CPAC this year? That's a good question. Possibly. Possibly. So it was like just his Mike's influence in particular that really was like, man, this guy's been such an influence in my life.
If he really believes this is there anything that Mike has ever told you that you were like all little bit that's a little bit farther than I'm willing to go with you? There's a lot of, like there's a lot of little things here and there mostly as things. Yeah, I think it's more the funny thing is I think it's more kind of jumped up since COVID so since 2020, he's dove headfirst into nonstop bit shoot videos and I mean, he sends video links every other day and I love it.
I appreciate it. He's out there digging through the ruins, man. That's what we right now. Yeah, he sent me like, five hour documentaries. He's like, this is how you're going to find out that Israel was behind 911, and it's going to be great, and you're going to see things totally different. Yeah, he dives deep into it, man, and I appreciate it, but he's like a rapid fire person.
Like I said, every other day he'll send you something and I just can't keep track of everything realistically. Have you guys ever had him on one of your podcasts? We've talked about it. We should. We definitely should. It sounds like you should, man. This is like the DNA where it came. Yeah. Yeah. I think it would be one of those things that we could not put on YouTube just for the things that he would say, but yeah, we have definitely talked about it with a declassified discussions of just, like, talking to him.
It's been a thought. That's pretty awesome. I'm wondering, too, that if there's any that you guys have tried to sell him on, and he was like, nah, but it almost sounds like he would be receptive to anything that you guys would be receptive, right? Yeah. Yeah, I'm sure he would be. He typically takes the reins, but if we pitched him something, he'd probably go along with it. I mean, I definitely vote for know Mike on for one of those episodes, man.
That could be a crazy one. We'll bring him on alcohol involved. All right. We'll bring him on Paranoid American. So you mentioned he was a little bit of a wild man, some substance usage, and I wanted to see if you guys were open to doing some PCP with me tonight. And if you both look under your chairs, go ahead. No way. I heard somebody in my office earlier, so I've got a little fun segment that I'm calling the PCP segment, the Paranormal Conspiracy Probe.
And I want to probe both of you guys, and it's going to damn it somewhere between a zero and a ten. So if I probe you and you feel like a zero, that's like, okay, I don't believe that. It's a psyop space. Isn't real. And then if it's a ten, you're all in it's. Like, there's conclusive proof. I'll die on this hill. I'll argue with someone over it.
And if you're on the fence and could lean either way or you don't care, it's kind of like a five. Simple enough. Like a zero to ten rating. So since there's two of you, I'll let you both kind of, like, answer. I don't know if you each have your own numbers or if you want to come together and form. Okay, are you guys ready? We're just going to rapid fire, like, ten to 15 of these, just so I can see where our bearings are at.
Is bigfoot real? Nine. Yeah, I'm around there. Eight. All right. Are reptilians real? Specifically reptilian shapeshifters? Six. I'm also at an eight. Okay. Did we ever land on the moon? Zero. Fucking one. Yeah. Is the moon even real? Zero like a seven. I think the moon is real. There's no proof, but go on. Is the world flat? One. So it's not flat. World is not flat. The world's not flat.
Yeah. I'm out of zero. Okay. I'm actually happy to hear some of those celebrities. I can't wait. Real? Yeah. Seven also? Yeah. Is magic real? Nine. Yeah. Nine or ten. Easily do freemasons still run the world today? Nine. Six. Are ghost real. Ten. We're not getting into what they are. So yeah. Ten. Are dinosaurs real? Three. Dude, I'm at, like, a one with that. Wow. Okay, we're going to get into that.
We're going to get into is the Mandela effect proof of an alternate realm timeline? 45. I'm at, like, a five on that, honestly. Okay. Do giants still exist today somewhere in the world? Like legit? Not just like a tall Asian dude. Does that include underground? Yeah, absolutely includes underground. Specifically underground. Eight. Seven. Yeah. Do you think the Montauk project and the research by Preston B. Nichols and his Delta T antenna is real? Ten.
Yeah, that's like a nine. And how much do you trust cryptocurrency on a scale from one to 100 now that the government is in it? Zero. All right, so I want to go directly to dinosaurs. This is one of my favorite topics, and I'm not here to debate or sell any ideas. If anything. I grew up with land before time, and I grew up with dinosaurs being, like, the coolest thing next to robots or GI.
Joes, right? Like, dinosaurs were the shit, bro. Dinosaur show. I can't even tell you how badass dinosaurs are to me still. I still think they're the coolest things ever. You know what I mean? And I've been to the national history Museum, and I've seen the huge Trexes and all of that. So I understand that there's some of the criticisms are like, well, a stegosaurus wasn't actually looked that way.
And sometimes they arrange stuff. And I also understand the aspect of you might have a century of scientists and people that have named things after themselves, and nobody wants to give up all those credentials that they feel they've earned or the legacies or whatever. Right. So what's the fucking deal with dinosaurs then, man? Are the bones all fake? Are the bones real? But they're just, like, assembling them and calling it something else? Why are you guys at so low on Dino? What was it, like a zero and a three? Yeah, I'm actually really glad you're getting into this.
So I was actually on the dinosaurs aren't real roundtable. Very recently. We recorded that, and this is all very fresh in my mind. So I'm just going to throw it out there that paleontology is strictly hypothetical. The entire science of paleontology is hypothetical. There has never been an entire dinosaur skeleton ever found. Whole. All the bones intact, ever. All of it is hypothesis. It's all renderings of what this animal could have been based off of a jawbone and a femur bone and a couple of teeth and maybe a toe bone.
And that's why you see these new renders of Tyrannosaurus Rexes every couple of years. Well, it had feathers, and it was purple, and actually it was 8ft shorter than we thought before. And you're going to continue to see that for the next who knows how long. Not only that, but yeah, all of the dinosaur. Bones you've ever seen in any museum ever are plaster casts. None of those are real bones.
Well, okay, so were the cast also fake then? Because I guess in some cases, the bone itself might not be real because the bone doesn't exist anymore if it wasn't petrified. And all that's left is like the negative impression of where the bone used to be. So I guess in that regard, yeah, a lot of the bones are not real at all. And even the fragments are kind of like displaced petrified little chunks that they then sort of assume, okay, that's where this thing went.
So do you think it was just like a ball that got out of control? Like one dude was like, hey, I'm going to say that this chunk of rock right here or this calcium deposit was part of a big 80 foot gigantic leather demon. Think about it this way. It's like if you did find a random bone or like you said, a calcium deposit and you had no other explanation for it, it's the early 18 hundreds.
What the hell do you know? What is your first go to? Is it going to be you make some shit up in your head? Well, it had to be this giant lizard that existed. Million step right up. Yeah, it's almost a snake salesman type of thing, realistically. And there's an entire background to the history museums and what they're touting as dinosaur bone and the science behind it. I don't know.
It's kind of weird. What's the difference to you, Mike, between a zero and a three? Because it sounds like slick is like, fuck dinosaurs. They're fake as hell. And you're like, yeah, they might be pretty fake. I'm kind of sure they're fake. But I'm just curious, what are you missing for you to just go all out and be like, zero, I'll die on that hill. I do believe that creatures existed.
I mean, obviously that goes without saying. There are footprints. There are things that are found. So you can't deny that there is some sort of creature that did exist. So I'm kind of stuck on that. But as far as them being maybe these massive reptilian animals, maybe they're, you know, and especially like the descendants of birds. I don't know. I can't bridge that gap realistically. But there definitely was some sort of creature that existed.
You both rated Bigfoot very high. So I'm curious. Why is there such a gap between dinosaurs and Bigfoot? Is it just that the establishment says there's dinosaurs? So you're like, fuck the establishment. Dinosaurs are fake, and that they say that Bigfoot isn't real, so you're like, Bigfoot's got to be real. Is it just like, I'm not going to do what you tell me thing? Or is there something behind wanting actually believing Bigfoot more than dinosaurs? Subconsciously? Yeah, it's probably a government thing.
There's like rage going on back of the head probably. But looking at dinosaurs. There's this huge amount of money that's made behind dinosaurs. When you look at the term fossil fuels that's been coined since the early 19 hundreds, people believed that these are dinosaur bones and there's a limited amount of them. And that's our oil. That's how our cars are running. So you had the oil industry backed off of dinosaurs.
You've got media backed off of dinosaurs with, like you said, the land before time, Jurassic Park. And we can go on and on about dinosaur media and then just the entire boys children culture of dinosaur toys, dinosaur pajamas, dinosaur tapestries. There's a lot of money to be made behind dinosaurs. And I guess you could say the same about bigfoot Harry and the Hendersons. It was a pretty big movie.
Yeah, for sure. But with bigfoot just the fact that there's not definitive evidence, but just that lingering to it just sort of like aliens. I don't know, it makes it almost more believable. It's weird. It's hard to explain. It's hard to put into words. If they started going through museums and they're like, we're dismantling all the dinosaur exhibits. We're sorry, dinosaurs aren't real, then would you be like, wait a minute, maybe dinosaurs were real? No, because then you have this whole entire field of science that's been a sham for 200 years.
So where are you guys at on Tartaria, specifically? Okay, let me give you two different avenues because Tartaria is very broad. Do you think that the mud flood is legit, that ancient civilizations were wiped away either through the land rising and sweeping it away, or, I guess, like high tech lasers melting mountains and turning people into mountains and stuff? But where you are on that aspect of Tartaria, there's some good evidence for mud floods, but there's also a lot of evidence against it.
A lot of the pictures or evidence that exists out there for mud floods shows, oh, there was this city that's under here, and look, we've uncovered it. And realistically, a lot of that is either underground cities because of elevation change, where new cities are built on top of old cities, old infrastructure that people are taking pictures of and showing as an old city that was covered in mud, or just in general, just stuff that people don't understand, like entire sewer systems.
A lot of the pictures we cover Tartaria. We talked about Tartaria, and it was very photo, heavy episode for us. But a lot of the photos that popped up as far as the proof of mud flood is, I don't know, not on a world scale. If there was some sort of mud flood, it was very locational. Hold on, one secondary. I also feel like we just barely scratched the surface while the evidence yeah, the evidence was scarce.
Not really, but like you said, locational. But the people that are, like, heavy into Tartaria and hidden history and the mud floods, they're years and years and years deep into research, and we research for a couple of weeks on that subject, so it's hard to say. Like you said, it's so broad, it's so vast, there's so much to get into when you get into that rabbit hole. Me, personally, I haven't gotten all the way into it.
What about the world fairs? Do either of you guys think that because the Tartarian theory is that world fair was a cover and that these buildings existed and there was all of these elaborate sort of architecture that existed, and then they set up a world fair and then knocked it down and was like, oh, just plaster of Paris. But that was a cover story for destroying the ancient civilization, the remnants.
This was Rome destroying Carthage and phoenicia, right? Where are you guys at on that? Know, I look at it this way, it's like, okay, yeah, it is a lot to go all out for a fair, but then you look at how long a lot of these fairs went on. Some of them went on for months. It wasn't just like your everyday small town fair that's in for maybe a week.
A lot of these were like six month stints, five months, eight months, take you a month just to get here. Yeah, exactly. And that's a lot of things. And they talk about, oh, they had lighting and they had all this stuff. Yeah, of course they did. The evidence of lighting is during a time where they had electricity to build these things. I think that it's possible, especially if you're building facades, if you're not necessarily building to last the test of time or to go through different types of weather, earthquakes, hurricanes, any type of thing like that.
If it's mostly just building for the sake of having something that's a temporary structure, it's easy with large workforces to get a lot of work done like that. All right, so this is the official story then, that the world's fairs were made up of plaster paris temporarily and then taken back down, and they weren't a cover story to knock down ancient stuff that was here before Columbus. I look at it this way, there's a lot of other architecture throughout the world that is still standing, that is of the same type of architecture, and that's not totally wiped out, it became tourist traps.
So if anything, America is a corporation, and we've proven that through and through. If we were to encounter anything where it was like, oh, look at these ancient buildings that we have, we're not going to make money off that. We're going to turn that into an attraction bigger than Disney, bigger than any amusement park in this country. Okay, so on that particular note, because that's actually one of my biggest criticisms of, I think, ghosts and like, paranormal events and stuff, is that in this day and age, if anyone could get some sort of a conclusive proof of a phantasm or a poltergeist or whatever you want to call it, right? They would just turn it into like a live stream show and just make bank.
They'd start selling ads for Hello Fresh and stuff. There's been a couple of fun movies about this kind of premise, but I kind of feel that same way. I'm just curious if because when I asked about ghost, you both sound like you were around like a ten or at least very high in those numbers. And of course, ghost is a very vague general concept. So where do you guys stand on that? And specifically, why do you think that nobody has launched a YouTube career off of knowing how to summon demons and ghosts on a live stream? So that's a fantastic question.
It might sound like bullshit. My ten comes strictly from living in an extremely haunted house. And I won't get into all of the details, but I've seen evidence of things that are unexplainable. And from researching into the paranormal, it doesn't work on your time. I'm of the opinion that you can't manipulate these sort of things to occur on a frequency that fits your narrative, that fits your timeline, fits your schedule.
Right? So you can't say, I'm going to book these tours from 09:00 A. m. To 10:00 P. m. , and people are definitely going to see ghosts. You're working with entities that exist outside of our realm. They exist outside of time, outside of our three dimensional space. And in my opinion, there's nothing we can do to provoke them or have them show themselves to us, which is why it's hard to be like, I'm going to show you a ghost, and here it is.
It just sort of happens. This isn't a science podcast, and I didn't do the greatest in science or math, so we don't need to get super technical. But I'm just curious if let's say you're in a haunted house and you see an apparition in front of you, right, what do you think happens if someone takes out a cell phone and starts recording it? Does it go away? Does it remain so only you can see it and a camera can't see it? What's happening in that sort of a scenario? I personally don't think that ghosts can be caught on camera.
I know that you'd be able to see it in real life and then try to videotape it. And it would be like a vampire in a mirror. Yeah. I think what it boils down to is perception. Like my whole thing when it comes to ghosts or poltergeist or anything like that, is it's a stain of time. That's all it is. It's not the spirit of a dead person.
It's not your loved one who's haunting your home. It's nothing like that. I think it's a stain of time. It's like if you had somebody on video on loop, which is why there's a lot of accounts of ghosts doing the same thing doing the same motions over and over and over again because it's just somebody stuck in time. And I think your eyes perceive or have the ability to perceive these stains in time.
Your eyes have the ability to see a lot of different things, but we only see within a certain spectrum, as we all know. So I think those little blips are just our ability. Some people can see them better than others. Some people can't see them at all. So I think it's really just a matter of perception and how you're seeing these things happen in front of you. With a camera, it doesn't have that type of lens.
It doesn't have the ability to pick up whatever that light band is that your eyes have the ability to pick up. So I think when it comes to cameras and stuff like that, maybe we're not getting the full story as it comes to ghosts, but I do think that your eyes can see more than a camera. Yeah, I'm curious. Even if you set up like infrared and heat vision and HDR and just everything under the sun, is it like a different frequency that we're not hit? Because if I can see a ghost in real life with my eyeballs, I assume that's because there's photons involved and there's something that's vibrating my optic nerve, telling me which colors are out there, which are being blocked from all the reflections, which is basically how a camera kind of operates.
But if the human eye can see something that like an image processor or like an I guess that would be another question. Is like digital cameras and analog, do you think no difference. Like a ghost would be able to dodge both of those, like even a film camera? Regarding cameras, all I have to say is that every single time I've ever watched some sort of ghost investigating show, every time I've seen them film some sort of apparition, excluding orbs, orbs, I would say is different.
Every single time I've seen them capture some sort of apparition, I've called bullshit. I have said openly, I think that that's bullshit. And that's only because I've lived in a house where there was frequent activity for upwards of three years, and not once did I or anybody else that lived in the house ever see some sort of shadow person or some sort of apparition, nothing like that. And keep in mind, we never set up cameras.
We never checked for ourselves, but with our own eyes, never anything like that. I kind of think that whole apparition thing is a little bit of bullshit. Where are you guys at on demons in particular? Do you think it would be possible to so there's two versions of this. Let's go with the most specific one, which is you go and you find an expert, thalema Crowly wizard person, and he's like, here's the formula.
You're going to fast, you're going to eat these herbs it's to the book. Right. Do you think that there's a very real possibility that you sit down with that guy and do the initiation ritual and everything on the right, astrologically aligned dates and everything? Would you potentially invoke an actual demonic or evil entity, like a possession or something? How close would that to reality? Is it? I don't think, personally, I've ever really thought of demons or what they could be.
I think demons kind of bring up the thought process of religion. And to me, religion is just like a fur coat on a pretty lady. You're covering up some sort of truth with something else. So, like the Bible. A lot of people will swear on the Bible that is the word of God. Okay? Yeah, it's the word of God that's been translated fucking 1000 different times in 50 different languages and through the hands of countless amounts of people who have put their spin on it and their twist on it and what they want you to believe and what they think that it should say.
But yeah, it's the word of God. So when it comes to demons and stuff like that, it's kind of tough if you're talking about maybe entities of some sort that have nefarious kind of things about them. Yeah, I mean, it's possible. There's bad energy out there. There's shitty energy. And can it manifest over a long enough period of time? I'm sure. Can it have some sort of personification? I couldn't tell you.
But if a feeling or an energy lasts enough through enough time, maybe it can replicate itself or maybe it can mimic what it sees around itself and that's what becomes the worst parts of human beings. Yeah, putting the word demon we could call it a daemon too, would be a slightly less religious version. Right? Like Solomon, like Aggregors and things like that. Yeah, putting the word demon, it almost obviously you're leaning towards religion and if that's what you believe, so be it.
But there's definitely a ying and yang to the energies of the universe. And I do believe that there's good energy and bad energy, good entities, bad entities. And those things do exist. Those things do exist and they can manifest in our three dimensional realm. I'm almost convinced of it. It's hard to believe otherwise. Almost. Do you think that they're at the heart of these conspiracy theories? You think they're the ones running the show? Do you think that humans just access them and use them and make deals? What do you think their role is? I think that almost gives people too much credit because there are really shitty people.
Shitty people to the point where they're almost comparable to demons in the way that they maneuver, in the way that they think and the way that they feel. Like there are really terrible people out there. That they're not demons, they're not possessed by demons. They just gain. Yeah, ed gain. I mean, that brings into the nature versus nurture sort of argument, and nature versus nurture incorporating demons into the equation that opens up a whole entire can of worms.
I think there's people that are just born like that. I think there's people that are born good people that are influenced to be bad people and I think that there's people that are born good people that are influenced to be bad people through other entities that exist outside of our ethereal realm, if that makes any sense. And changing up a little bit because I don't want to go too much farther without digging into some JFK, because you mentioned that as one of your staples.
And I want to ask you guys if you think the JFK records are ever going to be released even outside of our light, like, in the next hundred years, do you think the unredacted versions will be released? No, they won't be. Who do you think actually did it? Do you think Lee Harvey Oswald had his finger on a trigger at any point? Not at all. He might have.
I don't think he did. No. No. You think he was the good guy? You think he was just like a straight up patsy? I didn't even know what was going on or what. I don't know about a good guy, but I 100% believe that Oswald never took a single shot, especially with a lot of JFK things that we've looked into, researched. We've dove into it a lot of times and almost to the point of saying, maybe we should redo this episode.
But there's a lot to go on, and there's so many conflicting stories, but there's a lot of things that people don't know. Eyewitness accounts that place Lee Harvey Oswald over by a fence, which was over by the grassy knoll. How can he be over there if he's going out of the Book Depository? Like, how does that happen? How can he be in two places at once? There's another eyewitness account of him getting into a car, into the back of a car with another man by the grassy knoll and driving away after the assassination.
So how does that work? That brings into the whole thing of, like, was there a doppelganger? Did they set this man up? Because they were able to find somebody who looked like him and he was just like, that's the guy. He had these ties to Russians, and he had these ties to his military career, and he had these distant ties to the Mafia. And there's just so much to go on, and a lot of it points to this guy just didn't know what the hell was going on.
And I think that is ultimately what led to him being assassinated. Like, look at the situation of that. You're doing a prisoner transfer and you let literally every fucking news outlet know about it. And not only know about it, but gain access to where you're bringing him what what's going on? Then? Who actually did it? They say Jack Ruby. But is there also a Lee Harvey? Like, Jack Ruby didn't shoot Lee Harvey Oswald.
No, he shot him. But then you look at the connections of Ruby, like, look at his connections. He ran a club, and there was mob ties there, and that's a little suspicious in itself. So does it point to the Mafia being involved? Does it point know lead back to maybe you know, I have this theory that Jimmy Hoffa, during those trials, was like, he went to a point, man.
He said, take out and or take out Kennedy, and they took out the wrong Kennedy. I think that they originally wanted to go for Robert Kennedy. I think that's what that was all about, because if you look back on Robert Kennedy was going against the Teamsters, and he was going after Hoffa, and that led back to the Mafia. That's target number one. Why would JFK be the target of the Mafia at that point, if only to say, okay, your brother died, maybe that pulls him away from the case.
Maybe he stops doing that at that point. But if you're willing to assassinate the United States President, why not just assassinate a senator or an attorney general at that point? Make it easier. That doesn't fit the King kill ritual. Yeah, yeah. If you want to roll back into rituals, I just want to throw out there. I don't know who killed either, but but I think there's a very strong threat on George Day Morinschilt, who was the liaison when Lee Harvey Oswald and Marina Oswald moved into town.
And he was like, oh, you're know, I'm Russian. But he also knew Jackie Kennedy when she was just a girl. Like, he knew the family, and he worked directly with the CIA on a lot of things. He went over to Haiti as an oil inspector to, like, land surveys and stuff. But it very much seems like it was all just CIA cover work for uncovering stuff that was going on in Haiti at the time.
But he was, like, smack dab in the middle of that thing, and he made sure that he put himself in Haiti while it was going down and was like, oh, everyone see where I'm at now? I'm in Haiti. I couldn't have been part of this. Here's the and and that right know, just looking at all of it. That's why it's the greatest conspiracy theory of all time. You could put anything else up against it, but look at where we're all looking.
It's in 25 different directions. You could say it's the CIA, you could say it's the mafia, you could say it's X, Y and Z, but you don't know. And it's all intertwined and it's such a jumble of a conspiracy that to speak on your question earlier, I think they'll probably release it in 100 years. When anybody who has a thought about JFK or has an inkling about the conspiracy theory is all dead and gone, that's when they're going to say, oh, by the way, remember that guy from 150 years ago that got her assassinated? It's like if they came out today and they said, oh, well, Abe Lincoln was actually assassinated by this guy, you wouldn't give two shits.
You'd say, oh, wow, all my history was wrong. But then you'd move on like nothing ever happened. Whereas if you were to release that today, oh, Oswald was not the shooter. It was actually this person. Well, okay, we still have people alive that were a part of that. We still have people that were involved in that situation. We still have a ton of conspiracy theorists that have been chasing down this answer.
So it's like, wait some time, they'll all be gone, and they won't care anymore. And I also always look at JFK was like, at least our parents big conspiracy theory where everyone was. You remember exactly where you were when JFK was shot? And I think that's where the 911 one came. That was like the new generation's version of a JFK. And it also, I think, turned into this JFK erupted in the conspiracy theorists versus the non conspiracy theorists, the pro Warren Report versus, hey, this is fucky, right? And then 911 kind of evoked that truth or movement.
So, like, these huge conspiracies. It always feels like a little glitch or something where more people kind of, like, hop on board, I guess. And at least in my experience, I've never seen somebody jump onto the conspiracy theory train after one of those big events and then jump back off of it. Sometimes you'll have people that get onto the ancient alien stuff, or they'll get onto gamatria or celebrity clones and then jump back off of it.
But when it's these big like, once someone's convinced that the JFK assassination official story wasn't real, it doesn't seem very often they walk back from that. It's like a gateway drug, right? And you start getting deeper and deeper into these rabbit holes. Have either of you guys been at the brink of a particular rabbit hole? And you're just like, I don't even want to get into it. I don't even want to know if it's real or not.
I'll just assume that it's real, or I'll just assume that it's not. Simulation theory. Simulation theory. Yeah, it's simulation theory. I think that's the number one answer. It has to be. That's the ultimate conspiracy. In my opinion, that is like the creme de la creme of conspiracies, because all conspiracies exist within it. If that's the case, it's all code. What do you think that when you were talking before about good entities and bad entities, we don't have to call them angels and demons or anything, but these aggregors, these thought forms, whatever the hell you want to refer to them as, does that go out the window.
If this is simulation theory, do all of us go out the window when it's just you that's the brain in the VAT? I don't think so. I mean, look at your computer. There's viruses and there's antivirus firmware. There's the good and the bad. There is the good and the bad. Even in code, I wouldn't say it all goes out the window. Taking simulation theory into regard, is there bad and good in code? Because I guess I see computer code as being truly agnostic and bipartisan.
Right. It's just magnets flipping themselves on and off. It's really the humans that are doing stuff with it that make it good or bad. Or do you think there's like a ghost machine aspect? Like, could I upload all of the horrible Alistair Crowley incantations and the Frazzled drip transcript? And would that actually be like an evil entity out in digital space? Well, think of feeding that into a super advanced AI.
Yeah. And was like, oh, I remember this. This is where I trade. Yeah, a sentient AI. I mean, at that point, it kind of has the choice to become good or bad. Where are you guys at on AI? Scary as all hell. It's scary. It can be used for good, and I'd like to think that it will be, but on a range from Elon Musk to Sarah Connor, where you guys, this is, this is God honest, I realistically think that AI is the beginning of the end of us.
Everybody sees it as like, oh, yeah, chat GPT. It makes it so much easier to write a resume and all this other stuff. But at the same time, you're not looking at the big picture of it. You're looking at what they have now. Now imagine what they have in ten years. Now imagine what they have in 20 years. Now imagine what AI can do when you've essentially just turned off the safety precautions because somebody will do it.
It's just human nature. You're never going to find nobody is ever going to be 100% on that page where they're going to say, you know what, AI? We're always going to put these safeguards in and they're never going to be able to turn on us. It's like Asimov's law, they're never going to be able to turn on us. They're always going to see us as their no, no.
There is always going to be that one person that all of a sudden is going to say, you know what, let's see what happens. Let's comment this one little line out, this little statement. That's it. But what if it's not the beginning of the end and it's just the beginning of the beginning? What if we're only living because AI gave us a beginning? So this is the beginning of the simulation, or we're midway through and there's God knows how many more AI could be the beginning of the beginning.
What if this life ends and then. Purgatory is just like pop up ads for 1000 years, one could only hope. Sounds terrible. And you just spend all your time trying to X out of them. No limewire. I don't want that. McAfee if we're living in a simulation, is it close to Matrix style? Do you think we've got human bodies out there somewhere and we're linked into a big thing? Or do we even have physical bodies at all? Or we're just kind of like vibrations floating around? I think we're AI.
I don't think we have physical bodies. More wholesome to think that we do have bodies somewhere out there, avatar style. Yeah, it's comforting, but probably not. Is it comforting, though? Yeah, it is. Thinking that there's a physical me maybe outside, would you assume that it's the one that you're envisioning still, though? Like, it would be a probably not. It's probably like a gross worm thing covered in green sludge.
So I got one other question, and I'm such an idiot. I'm always supposed to ask this question first because it can help direct where all the questions are going to go. So let's just pretend that I asked this when we first started. All right? Mike and Slick, are you cops? Because if you guys are cops, you have to tell me. You're not allowed to lie about that. It's law.
Is it really a law, though? It is a law. I don't think it's a directly. If you ask directly, you have to tell me you're a cop. You're both dodging the question. I'm just saying. All right. The records indicate that Mike and Slick took a very long time to deny that they were not a I'm not a fan of a are you a thin blue line? Are you an ACAB? Are you somewhere in the middle? No, I'm definitely not an ACAB.
I'm definitely not a thin blue line. In the middle is a nice place to be. I think not all cops are bad. I think all cops are insufficiently trained to deal with a lot of situations. I think their First Amendment is if you run into something that feels threatening, just pull out your gun and shoot at it until you can't see it anymore. But at the same time, America, that's pretty much it.
I think a lot of issues with cops have to do with bad training. And I also think that at least as far as our local law enforcement, they don't go through psychological tests. So it's not like they ask you all these questions and you go through all these things to kind of figure out where you are in the world as your brain is developing. They're not therapists, dude.
They're not therapists. But either way, not even them being therapists. Just to see where the actual officer is, to see where that person is as they're coming into a position of power, in a position where they know that nine times out of ten, if they do something wrong, that they're going to be backed by other police officers or they're going to be backed by the department. Or they're going to be backed by the Thin Blue Line people.
So I think there is a severe lack of kind of delving into that person and saying, okay, were you the bully in high school? Were you the quarterback who got everything they ever wanted? And now you're going to become a cop and you're going to go get forearm tattoos and buff yourself out and go home and beat your wife because you don't know how to deal with stresses of work.
There's just so many things that I think when it comes to police, they don't look into that. It's just like, okay, well, you got a bachelor's degree. You know about the laws, so here's a gun, here's a car, go out there and do it. All cops are not bad, but all cops are also not fucking heroes. Acaba. Cab. A cab. A-C-A-B-A cab. Yeah, there's not a convenient acronym for that one.
Where are you? Out on capitalism, anarchy, communism. Do you guys fall into a certain favorite flavor? I think people should have their own land and just do their own thing. Like, fuck capitalism, fuck communism. Fuck. Like people should just be able to do their own thing. Fuck Walmart. Especially like all the grocery stores, all that. People should just be self sufficient, independent, be able to do their own thing without rules and regulations.
That's my stance. Unfortunately, that's impossible in the world that we live in. What if you just want a podcast all day and you don't want to pull on the cow's utters to get yourself some milk? You just want a podcast, then milk is gross. So you got it. You can do that. I mean, you just end up starving. That's all it is. Yeah, that is. They'll all be just starving.
Podcasts. That's it. The vegan podcast where we just eat carrots until we starve to death. What were the sungazers? If you just stare at the sun for long enough, you can absorb energy directly from outer space and you don't have to eat anything. Solar diet photosynthesis. I'm also in the same vein that we should just be self sufficient. Barter system works great. As long as everybody involved is getting something out of it, barter system works great.
And I'm sorry, if you come onto my land and you're ready to barter and then you try to back out of that deal or try to rob me, you're getting shot. That's it. Simple as simple. Why involve the government? Why involve law enforcement? It's between you and I. Yeah, but then what happens if we get rid of HOAs? Everyone's lawn will get all overgrown and stuff. I don't like that.
Imagine all those people coloring their front door, whatever the color they want. Castle Doctrine meets HOA. I like that idea. It's amazing. To me that HOAs even still exist. It's wild that people just get into those situations willingly. It's very weird. So I wanted to ask you sort of tying it back to where we started out and pulling into the JFK too, because JFK was my first introduction to Jolly West, dr.
Louis Joyton West. And I'm curious, I can't remember exactly what video clip that I saw from you guys. And it was like a whole little acted out kind of skit. What was that from? Are you making more? What was the inspiration for that skit? Can you tell me the name of it in case someone wants to search it and I can post a link to what what skit are you talking about? Because I'm trying to remember.
It was about Dr. Jolly west and there was like some time travel aspect to it and you guys were together and acting it out. I think you had costumes on and shit. Oh no, that wasn't us. I'm telling you for sure it was. There's no way. Are you I'll have to find the link and post it to you. Yes, please do. Please do. I know we've talked about Jolly West, but we've hardly gotten into costume besides, like, wearing birthday hats.
That's true. For a birthday episode, I assume. Yeah, something like that. Yeah, I think that was that our two year anniversary. Two year anniversary? Yeah, I think we were birthday hats and that was about it. Is that the three year anniversary's birthday hats again? Or are you guys going to raise the stakes a little bit? We're thinking like fireworks show. Yeah, I'll probably have candles coming out of my nose, something like that.
We did a Halloween episode and it's funny because we got a ton of shit for it. We kind of wore things like it was Halloween, whatever. And I was wearing devil horns, just like little ones you put on top of your head. I remember people just commenting like, what's with the devil horns? Are you Satanist? Are you all about that evil? Because everybody has to equate something innocuous to.
And that's when you're like religion is kind of like a mink coat that you put on and it's like a facade. That's it. How long do you have here? Take a seat really quick. Yeah. Oh, funny story, completely off topic. I lived in San Diego a while back and there was this woman that came up to me. I was sitting at a bus stop and she came up to me and she was know, oh, take this pamphlet about Jesus.
And I talked to her for maybe 2 hours sitting at that bus stop and made her question the very existence of her life and the God that she believed in. It was a terrible thing, but I could not stop myself because she was so adamant about saving me. Yeah, it was a really messy was this a chick track? What's that was it a chick track? No. If there's a hell, you're going, you're going.
I'm okay with that. Yeah, it is. What? How long do you think would last for if you really did show up and there was hell? Would you be like, well, this is it forever? Or do you think that there's like a time limit? Like you just go in, time out for a little bit? Well, don't they say that God always forgives or know? I don't know about once.
You're going to great. Apparently last night I'm just throwing it out there. Great movie. Watched it last night. It's on, hulu. It's called the devil conspiracy. Yes. And this futuristic tech company, and they specialize in cloning and they took artifacts from the Vatican and the shawl that Christ wore. Yeah, the shroud that Christ wore while he was being crucified. They took the blood of Christ and made eggs out of it and pumped it into women.
And then they inoculated it with Satan. They made eggs out of it? Yeah. They made eggs out of Christ's. So they changed Christ's gender in the process on top of that. Well, they made Christ non binary by making him an egg, technically. But yeah, they made Christ an egg. They put it into a woman. They inoculated it with Satan so that the agenda could rise up from the underworld.
Check. How did they get Satan? Semen? Was there like the lowest guy on the totem pole? Dude, it was weird. They had like, some castle up on a mountain and the castle had like a cage that dropped down into hell and Satan crawled in through the lady's mouth. Satan's dick just starts popping up through the flames. Some tenacious shit. How big do you think Satan's dick would be if it entered the physical realm? No, probably like three and a half inches.
Backing. He's backing Jesus. What if no matter what, whoever he was comparing his dick to his was always like one inch bigger, no matter what that feels like, that would kind of if you ruled the physical realm, you could do stuff like that. Like, oh, mandingo has a 13 inch dick. Well, mine's 14. Are you measuring from the taint or from the shaft? You always measure from the shaft.
I measure from the ground to the tip. You said three inches. Right. So I want to just suggest that maybe for the third birthday anniversary, we try to summon Satan's penis and just see what goes on from there if we were successful. Think about the ad revenue. That sounds really I mean, these Hyundai's aren't going to sell themselves, though, my friends. It's like you said. Oh, yeah, toyota.
It's like you said, if God exists and there is a hell, then I'm going to hell. So if we summon Satan's dick, we can make some sort of deal where, you know, at least live the rest of my mortal coil pretty comfortably in a toyota Camry. Maybe I'll ask for a Toyota dealership. I can be the Toyota guy. Yeah. Show up in hell and they're like, here's your Avalon.
Thank you. You did great. Great job. I want to give you guys a chance to tell people where to find you again and any other shows that you want them to tune into, just drop them. For sure. Yeah. Hush hush society conspiracy hour. It's a mouthful, but we're the only ones, so if you Google us, you'll find all of our stuff. You can also go to Hush hushsociety.
com. Very, very easy to find us on there. We're on all the socials, the new X. Find us on the X. And yeah, we got a great catalog. Lot of stuff that you can get into. Leave us a review, check us out. And yeah, we have roundtables coming out very soon, hopefully Paranoid American is on one. We're all together on these roundtables. It includes a lot of great podcasters.
We're taking on different topics. What did we do? We got a drenochrome. Dinosaurs aren't real. And secret space program. Yeah. So definitely check that out and check out all the shows that are attached to it. If any of those are out by the time I drop this, check the links below for those Conspiracy Theory Roundtable sessions. Those are going to be awesome and I hope we keep those going where they're like very focused topics and different people have different perspectives on it.
I think it's a cool format. Yeah, that's kind of the idea that we had when we jumped into it. This is our second round of roundtables, and when we first got into it, we said, let's get as many podcasters within our realm, a little bit outside of our realm, to come onto these topics, give their two cent. And obviously we broke up. We're a trio. We went on three different roundtables.
So it brings up this whole the idea that you're communicating and having these conversations with people that you don't normally have these conversations with on a daily basis or regular basis, episode to episode. So it's nice. You get definitely a different worldview from all these different voices. And we got really great people involved and pretty much everybody that's ever been on them, we fuck with. So we like everybody.
So it's a good group. I wonder if we could sneak in and get some professor or a Neil degrasse Tyson from Wish or something. But you just get like four podcasters together and you just say, like, hey, collectively we've got two point whatever, million listens or whatever. Just give you that gravitas. Maybe we can get like some yeah, you get three different natural Museum of History people and then you're just like, all right, dinosaurs Aren't real.
Prove it. I want to be in the room for some of those, man. We need to make that happen. That's the goal for roundtable three. I think we should shoot for that. Bring in some sort of expert. Yeah, an expert on each subject. You hire some professional actor on Fiver that can play the role and just have them be like the agent. Right, let's do that, man. I'm down.
We'll catfish some experts out there to a conspiracy theory roundtable. They won't realize it until they see the intro video playing. It's got reptilians and shit in it. Yeah, exactly. Then it's too late. You just see them all dropping off. If you drop off, we're going to badmouth you on social media. All right, man. Well, Mike Slick. Hush hush, Society. Thank you guys for coming around. We're definitely going to collaborate on some more stuff soon roundtables and other fun things.
I think we were spitballing some ideas on. Maybe some audio drama type stuff too. So more of that to come soon. Thanks very much for having us on. It's always a blast talking to you. Yeah. All right, guys. And then just a reminder that if you're not paranoid, you're not paying attention. Thank you, guys. This has been another episode. Paranoid american podcast. Now check out the damn Homunculus commercial that I'm going to throw at you.
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Venturing into the Unknown: A Paranoid American Podcast
In a world that never ceases to unveil mysteries and unexplained phenomena, delving into the unknown has always captivated the curious souls among us. The allure of secrets that lurk in the shadows, from the realms of secret societies to the mystic symbols embedded within pop culture, feeds an ever-growing intrigue. The “Paranoid American” podcast, curated by the similarly named comic publisher, serves as a sanctuary for those enamored with these world mysteries. In one compelling episode, the hosts engage in a riveting conversation with Slick Frank Sanders, a member of the “Hush Hush Society,” an initiative dedicated to unveiling the layers of conspiracies, mysterious occurrences, and cults that pepper our reality.
As the discourse unfolds, a panorama of subjects blossoms forth, ranging from mainstream alien theories to the ancient civilizations said to have come from the stars. The skeptical lens through which many view alien sightings is not left untouched, nor are the conspiracy theories that arose from the ashes of the September 11 attacks. The whimsical yet thought-provoking idea of aliens being gods or otherworldly beings dances around, although the speakers acknowledge the speculative nature of such claims.
The seeds of questioning the established narratives were sown in the speaker and his brother by their conspiracy-theorist uncle. As they journeyed into their late twenties, these seeds sprouted into a vigilant quest for truth. Their uncle, despite being known for more extreme theories, became a source of insight they came to value. And the contemplation of featuring him in their podcast emerged as a testament to his influence. During the episode, the hosts and guests also explored their belief scales (ranging from 0-10) on an array of subjects like the existence of Bigfoot, moon landing authenticity, the flat earth theory, and ghostly realms, to name a few. A noticeable divergence arose on topics such as dinosaurs’ existence and the intriguing Mandela Effect.
This veering into skepticism towards dinosaurs opens a fresh realm of dialogue. The participants delve into the hypotheses surrounding paleontology, the lack of complete dinosaur skeletons, and the practice of displaying plaster casts in museums instead of authentic bones. The intriguing gap between belief in the existence of dinosaurs and Bigfoot stirred a stimulating debate. As they transitioned, theories surrounding Tartaria and the speculative Mud Floods cataclysm that allegedly wiped out ancient civilizations brought a blend of curiosity and skepticism to the fore. The discourse lightly touched on the controversies around world fairs supposedly concealing the destruction of ancient civilization remnants, though this idea was downplayed considering the short duration those fairs existed.
Architectural wonders, commercialized historical edifices turned tourist attractions, and the elusive quest for capturing paranormal activities all found a spotlight in the discussion. A particularly fascinating theory proposed was that of ghosts being ‘time stains,’ perceptible to human eyes yet evasive to the lens of a camera. The concept of demons representing personified malevolent energy or the darkest facets of humanity, too, was thoughtfully explored.
On a more philosophical note, the conversation meandered to the existence of good and bad energies or entities, and how human nature could be swayed towards malevolence by external forces. A deep dive into conspiracy theories surrounding JFK’s assassination ensued, hinting at a myriad of possibilities including the alleged setup of Lee Harvey Oswald, and the speculated involvement of entities like the CIA or Mafia. The speakers suggested that the veil of truth might only be lifted when all those linked to, or intrigued by the event, have departed from this world. The compelling nature of such unsolved mysteries was likened to a ‘gateway drug,’ pulling individuals deeper into the abyss of collective enigmas and conspiracy theories.
As the dialogue spiraled into a multitude of topics including simulation theory, artificial intelligence, law enforcement, and various political and economic systems, a lively debate around the existence of good and evil in code emerged. The potential menace posed by AI, skepticism towards law enforcement, and a penchant for self-sufficiency and barter systems over capitalism or communism were heartily discussed.
Reminiscing about a skit, contemplating potential show ideas, and promoting their conspiracy theory podcast ‘Hush Hush Society Conspiracy Hour,’ the speakers emphasize the importance of varied perspectives in their roundtables and tease the idea of engaging professionals in future episodes. The conversation comes full circle as it revisits the introductory video featuring reptilians, discussing the impact of deviating from it, future roundtables, audio dramas, and a thought-provoking reminder from Paranoid American to always stay alert. With a nod to an upcoming commercial about Homunculus, the episode leaves listeners with a lingering sense of wonder and an insatiable thirst for the mysteries that lay ahead.
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➡ The text is an introduction and conversation from a podcast series by "Paranoid American", a comic publisher that delves into world mysteries such as secret societies and occult symbols in pop culture. In this particular episode, the hosts converse with Slick Frank Sanders, a part of the "Hush Hush Society", which covers topics like conspiracies, mysteries, cults etc., and discuss their fascination with the enigmatic, establishment of their own podcast, and their evolving views on aliens.
➡ The discussion touches on various topics including mainstream underground alien theories, ancient alien civilization belief, skepticism towards alien sightings, conspiracy theories, and their personal experiences with the September 11 attacks. The speakers also entertain the idea that aliens might be gods or otherworldly beings but acknowledge that these theories are speculative in nature.
➡ The speaker and his brother, influenced by their conspiracy theorist uncle, started questioning official narratives in their late twenties. Despite their uncle's more extreme theories, they appreciate his input and contemplation of him featuring in their podcast. They also share their belief scale (0-10) on various aspects like Bigfoot, moon landing, flat earth, existence of ghosts etc, with interesting divergence on dinosaurs' existence and the Mandela effect.
➡ The discussion revolves around the skepticism towards the existence and authenticity of dinosaurs, highlighting that paleontology is hypothetical, entire dinosaur skeletons are never found intact, museums display plaster casts rather than actual dinosaur bones. Participants also question the gap between belief in dinosaurs and Bigfoot. The conversation further moves to theories about Tartaria suggesting that the evidence for Mud Floods, a cataclysm wiping out ancient civilizations, is inconclusive and location-based. Controversy about the world fairs being set up to justify the destruction of remnants of ancient civilizations is brought up, but downplayed given the duration those fairs ran for.
➡ The text discusses views around temporary architectural structures, the commercialization of historical buildings as tourist attractions, the difficulty of capturing evidence of paranormal activities due to their unpredictable nature, the theory of ghosts as time stains perceptible to human eyes, doubt on capturing apparitions on cameras, and the concept of demons as personified bad energy or the worst aspects of humanity.
➡ The speaker believes in the existence of both good and bad energies or entities, human nature and the potential for people to be influenced toward evil by outside entities. They also delve into conspiracy theories, especially around JFK's assassination, touching on possibilities like Lee Harvey Oswald being set up and roles of CIA, Mafia or other entities. They suggest that truthful information might be revealed when those connected to or interested in the event are all gone. The speaker finally remarks how such compelling and unsolved theories can serve as a 'gateway drug' pushing people deeper into collective mysteries or conspiracy theories.
➡ The participants discuss a variety of topics, including simulation theory, artificial intelligence, law enforcement, and political and economic systems. They debate about the existence of good and bad in code, the potential threats posed by AI, and their skepticism towards law enforcement. They also express a preference for self-sufficiency and a barter system over capitalism or communism.
➡ The speaker reminisces about a skit, discusses potential show ideas, and promotes their conspiracy theory podcast, 'Hush hush society conspiracy hour'. They also discuss the importance of different perspectives in their roundtables and hint at getting professionals engaged.
➡ The dialogue revolves around an intro video featuring reptilians and the repercussions of dropping off from it, future collaborations involving roundtables and audio dramas, and a reminder from a podcast called Paranoid American to always stay alert. They also mention an upcoming commercial about Homunculus.
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Video TranscriptionGood evening, listeners. Brave navigators of the enigmatic and the concealed. Have you ever felt the pull of the unanswered, the allure of the mysteries that shroud our existence? For more than a decade, a unique comic publisher has dared to dive into these mysteries, unafraid of the secrets they might uncover. This audacious entity is paranoid American. Welcome to the mystifying universe of the paranoid podcast. Launched in the year 2012, paranoid American has been on a mission to decipher the encrypted secrets of our world.
From the unnerving enigma of MKUltra mind control to the clandestine assemblies of secret societies, from the aweinspiring frontiers of forbidden technology to the arcane patterns of occult symbols in our very own pop culture, they have committed to unveiling the concealed realities that lie just beneath the surface. Join us as we navigate these intricate landscapes, decoding the hidden scripts of our society and challenging the accepted perceptions of reality.
Folks, I've got a big problem on my hands. There's a company called Paranoid American making all these funny memes and comics. Now, I'm a fair guy. I believe in free speech as long as it doesn't cross the line. And if these AI generated memes dare to make fun of me, they're crossing the line. This is your expedition into the realm of the extraordinary, the secret, the shrouded. Come with us as we sift through the world's grand mysteries, question the standardized narratives, and brave the cryptic labyrinth of the concealed truth.
So strap yourselves in, broaden your horizons, and steal yourselves for a voyage into the enigmatic heart of the Paranoid American podcast, where each story, every image, every revelation brings us one step closer to the elusive truth. You guys done it again. Here we go. You done it again. You tuned into the paranoid American Podcast. What the hell is wrong with you? Have you not been paying attention to any of the warnings and the strikes and the bans? What lies ahead is not suitable for anybody.
You shouldn't even be listening to this. But today we've got Slick Frank Sanders. He's up there in the window. He's peeking down and we got I'm just I'm having fun with the layouts lately, but collectively known as the Hush Hush Society. And you guys make some interesting content. I think I came across you a ways back and I saw you had put, like, a little YouTube skit together and it was right up my alley, man.
It hit like, every note you mentioned jolly west right out of the gate. And I fell in love immediately. So it was almost love at first sight. But I want to let you guys give a chance to introduce yourselves where people can find you. Social media, any kind of, like, prods you're selling. Just shout it out now. We'll do it up front. Go ahead, Frank. Word up. Well, Mr.
Paranoid American, we appreciate it a ton. Thank you for the introduction. Yeah, Mike and I are part of the hush hush Society conspiracy hour. You can find us at WW hushhushsociety. com. There you can find all of our socials, you can listen to all of our episodes on any major platforms that you listen to podcasts on. You just look up Hush Hush Society and you were surely to find us.
And we cover conspiracies mysteries, cryptids science, French science, cults, whole lot of different things. So if you're into Paranoid American, you'll be into our show, too. If either of you guys had to join a cult, like, they were all still going right now. They were all still looking for members all under the umbrella, everyone. Yeah, they're all going. Which one would you join, though? Like, if you had to pick one? Man, that's a tough one.
Barring the inevitable suicide or killing. Yeah, let's say that you can slip out at the last second. I'm going to go grab a pack of smokes. It's heaven's gate, then? It's got to be heaven's gate Is it because of the decades? It's because the decades, right? Yeah, it's the decades. Yeah. Hell yeah. But see, you'd have to castrate yourself. That's the table for heaven's gate. You know, Marshall wouldn't be cool with you if you were walking around with that alpha male appendage just like, telling everyone, you know what I mean? You would be just sticking out like a sore thumb, bro.
You think there were Tuckers there? I don't know. There had to be at least one. What happens when they get to the meteor and they're like they get to the Hill Bob Comet, right? And they're like, welcome back down there. What's that? What do you got there? What about you, slick? Would be heaven's gate zoo. No, I'm leaning towards Om Shinrikyo. However you pronounce it. I'm trying to watch anime and eat strips of acid.
I mean, pre terrorist attacks, obviously. Like, if I could slip out at any moment, it would be before the terrorist attacks. Like when they were just doing cool basement stuff when they're first just like starting up the AR 15 factory, right? Yeah, right. Once they started getting those Russian supply drops where they forced everybody to put AK 74s together in basements, that's about when I would have slipped out.
Fair enough. I would have went with Nexium. That sounds like a pretty fun one at the last second, you know what I mean? Yeah. You got to think about the sex cults. Well, in my opinion, there's really not any cult that doesn't become a sex cult at some point. It feels like it's like an essential aspect of it. Almost every good cult I can think of had some kind of sex going on, either having it or not having it.
Yeah, having gay rule. So when did you guys get started? Do you guys know each other off the podcast and decided to make one, or where did you first meet? Where did you two first meet us? Too. Yeah. So us two met what was it, the year 2000? The turn of the century. Turn of the century. We've known each other for quite a while. Quarter century. Yeah. So little secret.
All right, just for you and your listeners, little secret. Keep it on the low. Me and Frank are actually brothers. They all know now. They all know. Don't let it out. Don't tell your friends. And Dave, he's been my best friend for a lot, a lot of years. And I was doing a podcast prior to this about movies, and my co host kind of ducked out for personal reasons.
Dave jumped on for a couple episodes and he know I could be your new host. And I said, you know what, let's just start something new. Let's get into what we really like and what we're into. I don't want to force you to do something that you're not into and kind of jump into a project that's already going. So we threw some ideas back and forth about what we wanted to do.
It was kind of obvious. It started off with aliens. That's just basic base. And then from there it was just, all right, conspiracies. And then from there it just grew and grew and grew. And we went to Franc and said, hey, you ready to do this? You want to jump in? We're going to have a third, and it's going to be a big thing. And from there, it just flourished.
We're coming up on our three year anniversary. He was telling me that before we started, you're around, like 150 episodes or so. Yeah, all included. We do Debriefings, which are just we get into topics. Then we have declassified discussions, which we do interviews. And Cryptid Chronicles where it's kind of a themed episode where we pretend that we're around a campfire and we're talking about cryptids. It's been a while since we've done a Cryptid Chronicles, usually because we bring on other podcasters to do it.
But yeah, all in all, there's a lot of content. And then we have like, patreon stuff. So it's hours and hours and hours. Tell me you've done a Nematode Cryptid episode. No. We got Nematode and Quailman. Hell yeah. Get into it. That would be good. So you said that you started out doing Alien stuff. Was that just because you guys were already interested and or believe in Aliens? Or was it just like a hot topic? So the podcast had not started.
This was still in the brainstorming idea phase where we were trying to figure out what the show was going to become. So I think Aliens was just like the easy step towards everything else that we would want to cover at that. So is this like ancient Aliens approach? Do you guys basically believe in the Zechariah Stitchin sort know we're here to mine resources for aliens approach, or do you have any specific views on it? It's changed so much over the course of the past three years with all of the information that's come out and all of the research the three of us has done over the course of the show.
But going into it, yeah, that's kind of what the thought process was, especially during the brainstorming phase, like Mike said, like the whole ancient aliens idea. And that just sort domino effected into other subjects, for lack of a better term. What's, like the mainstream underground alien theory? Is it still Zechariah Sitchin or have there been other big ones that have kind of taken effect? Two words or less? Two words or less? No, I don't think that there's any major ones that have maybe taken over.
I do like the kind of planet seeding idea. When we were talking with Bruce Fenton, who was deep into the knowledge of our former DNA and ancient, you know, got us into the topic of talking know, maybe out of Africa theory is not the predominant theory for where humans came from or where we were born or where we spawned from, I should say. But the belief that there was some sort of ancient alien, for lack of a better term, civilization that came here and just kind of dropped us off and said, all right, do your thing.
Grow up. So I'm kind of into that theory. But as far as disclosure and all the shit that's going on now, a lot of me is just very skeptical of it and not really into the idea that there's a bunch of aliens floating around and just deciding to show themselves to us. Now, if you're one of the lucky ones with the you're cool enough if you get in the alien club and they show themselves to you.
And the way that you mentioned seating, it reminds me of the movie Prometheus where they just kind of, like, drop a little goo in the ocean and then zap away to some other solar system and Neilon's years go by and goo turns into monkeys. Turns into monkeys. Where are you guys on evolution? If you're somewhere on the alien stuff, do you think that evolution is a big lie that Darwin just kind of planted in there with his Rockefeller homies, or do you think there's something to it? 80% of me believes that we're in a simulation which kind of disregards evolution for the most part.
But in regards of aliens, yeah, I think we came out of the ocean and just kind of morphed up into two legs for monkeys. It's sort of along the Darwinism line. How do, like, Anunnaki and nephilim and things like that fit into that sort of view? Is it mythology? Do you think that there was actually some kind of greater beings on Earth, like, way, way back when? Or do you think they were just, like, hyped up over time? I think there's a great possibility of otherworldly beings, whether they be giants or other types of alien civilizations.
I think they might have shown themselves more often back then. But then again, there's also the theory of, like, Mark Booth, who talks about that maybe it wasn't aliens. And that's the way that we interpret it now today, with science fiction and movies. And what we've been kind of fed since the 1940s is that instead of it being aliens, that it is gods, it is multiple deities. And throughout time, we've lost the ability to commune with gods.
So in ancient cultures, we were closer to deities and gods. They visited us, they talked to us, they showed themselves, and then slowly but surely throughout the Eons, they've disappeared, they've gone away, and they show themselves less and less and less. So I think I'm more in that vein of, like, maybe there is aliens, but maybe aliens are also gods. Maybe they're deities. Maybe they are universal creators that have kind of gone away mostly because we lack the ability to see them or commune with them anymore.
If Independence Day happens, are you, like, driving out of town? Are you holding up the welcome to Earth sign on the top of the building? Yeah, that's a good one. I think as far as human nature goes, we're skeptical of things. I think you'd have to be kind of loony to look at it and go, these guys are our saviors. They're here to take us away and they're here to save us.
If anything, I like to use the metaphor of how often do you stop to help an ant? Like, you see an ant on the ground and it's struggling, maybe it's on its back. Maybe it's just trying to get over some crack in the road to bring its food back. How often do you pick that ant up and say, I'm going to help you? Never. Most of the time, we're on completely different levels where you don't exist to us and we don't exist to you, and that's the way that it is.
You said that you went from aliens and then started getting into conspiracy theories. Do you guys have your MVP conspiracy theories? Like your top threes? If you could go to a desert island and you can only bring three conspiracy theories with you, it was JFK, 911 and Epstein. I don't think there's another answer. I think that was it. Those were like the three heavy hitters that we knew we wanted to get into when we opened up the show.
I think MKUltra is up there too. That's probably like tied for a third, for sure. So low ranked. So damn low. So those are really good ones. How old were you guys when 911 happened? Frank, how old were you? Yeah, I was one. Okay. I was shitting my pants watching Sesame Street and eating applesauce. So I'm curious, man, what was it like growing? Did you have a pop quiz at some point in 10th grade? And it was like, what was the day that september 11? I don't know, because it happened after I was well out of school.
I was in the military when 911 actually had happened, but I didn't experience growing up in like a post 911 sort of environment. Apparently it had a huge effect if it makes your top three. Yeah, growing up. No, we didn't really learn about it in school all too much. I remember watching this documentary when I was maybe seven or eight, and that's sort of when I really learned about 911.
And I watched the documentary maybe like two or three times because I thought it was just like so crazy in the sunroom in my mom's house. Was this like two or three? I don't remember exactly which one it was. I couldn't tell you. Like I said, I was a child, but it was this one documentary that I watched probably three times over the span of like a month or two.
Yeah, school. There wasn't really curriculum on 911, especially growing up. I don't know. It was weird. Never forget except for school. Yeah, I guess it's an interesting one for me because I wasn't even told about it while I was in the military. I was in training and they didn't want to disrupt our training. So I kind of went in not knowing about 911 and coming out, hearing about it sort of third hand, but never going through the national bonding and basically the trauma programming.
Right. You guys also skipped that. You kind of skipped the trauma programming, too, it sounds like. Oh, no, I was deep in it. That shit happened when I was in high school, okay? I was a junior in high school when that happened. And I remember vividly what happened. It's like that whole kids running down the hall type of thing. Then it was being shoved into a singular classroom with like 80 other kids and they're rolling in a TV, the TV on the cart and showing it live, and I remember seeing the second plane hit and it was a whole thing.
And it was kind of a weird situation following that because it was, all right, we're going back to school. Everybody go to your classes. And every class after that was like, I know what we witnessed this morning if anybody wants to talk about it. So it's kind of like this weird kind of, I don't know, almost like a spill your guts type of thing for the rest of the day.
Talk to your friends and talk to us. Mental health day for everybody. Yeah, kind of one of those things. But it was very weird. It was very weird. I know people that had friends that died there because we're in close proximity. We're in Connecticut, so it's like hop skipping a jump. Some people that we know worked over there, friends of family and whatever else. So it was kind of like this weird day of holding your breath to see what shakes out and who was affected.
But yeah, every day after that was the post 911 world just became this craziness of like, every other day. You're worried about a shoe bomber, you're worried about more planes being taken over, you're worried about what's the next hit going to be. And then the worst part about it, I think, was the one year anniversary of it. So the one year anniversary of it, of course, everybody's having these remembrances and things like that, but there was this heavy cloud of just kind of fear and this feeling of doom because you didn't know if it was the first year.
Now what's going to happen? Is there going to be copycats? Is there going to be another attack on that day? Is there going to be you had no idea. Where were you at conspiracy theory wise at this point? Were you following the official narrative as the real one, or did you already have a suspicion against the government at this point? It wasn't deep seated. The conspiracy part of my brain, mostly because I'm like 18 years old.
All I'm thinking about is fucking girls at that point. At that time, I'm 18 years old, I'm working at a porn shop, of all things. So that was so far out of my mind at that time. My conspiracy self didn't really come to fruition until my late 20s just because of everything going on. But I think that's really when it took off, is like, late 20s just everything was question.
So did one of you start questioning 911 before the other one? And did you guys try to convince each other? Was it around like the same time? I'm curious how that happened, because some families brothers are completely different and other ones sometimes are just always on the same page. So I guess you lucked out that neither of you thinks the other one's just like an absolute QAnon Whack ball, right? Luckily, it wasn't one trying to convince the other.
We had this common relative being our mother's brother, who we both grew up having this dude, like, shouting conspiracy theories. Hell yeah. Uncle Alex Jones. Right. Yeah, Uncle Alex Jones is right. I remember it was probably like my 11th or twelveTH birthday. I know it was one of my birthdays growing up. And this dude was telling me that the planes that hit the World Trade Centers were holograms.
And I'm sure he told Mike similar things as he was growing. I mean, I couldn't say one of us believed it before the other, but we had both had somebody telling us this, as we know. Maturing, where are you at on the hologram theory? I don't think it's unrealistic, personally. If there's an 80% chance we're in a simulation, that anything's possible, right? Yeah, man. Yeah, for sure. And it's all holograms.
Yeah, there's only a 20% chance that we're not holograms. I mean, that's still a decent chunk of percentage. I like it. I like the metric. So what was Mike, you said late twenty s. You started getting hotter into it. Was it like a specific thing? Clearly it wasn't 911 in particular that sold you right. So was it like Epstein or was it what was it? Because I don't even remember anything that really happened between then other than my more mature brain kind of looking at things other than partying and all that other BS.
Was there like a book or a documentary or like a talk or anything? No, in all honesty, it was that relative because I grew up with him doing the same type of thing. I mean, he was a wild, wild man, substance abuse type of person, but realistically, still absolutely lovable and greatest person. I'm actually named after him, but at some point I just kind of start listening to him.
You mature more and you become kind of able to hold a conversation with someone on that level. And he starts talking about this and he starts talking about that. I don't know that there was any defining moment. I think it was just, hey, you've been saying this for a long time. I'm wondering why you're saying this and then starting to look into it and yeah, from there it just kind of grew.
So. I mean, realistically, I think we can thank Uncle Mike for starting the hush hush society. If Uncle Mike had just listened to, like, Rush Limbaugh that entire time and not Alex Jones or William COO, would you guys be at like, CPAC this year? That's a good question. Possibly. Possibly. So it was like just his Mike's influence in particular that really was like, man, this guy's been such an influence in my life.
If he really believes this is there anything that Mike has ever told you that you were like all little bit that's a little bit farther than I'm willing to go with you? There's a lot of, like there's a lot of little things here and there mostly as things. Yeah, I think it's more the funny thing is I think it's more kind of jumped up since COVID so since 2020, he's dove headfirst into nonstop bit shoot videos and I mean, he sends video links every other day and I love it.
I appreciate it. He's out there digging through the ruins, man. That's what we right now. Yeah, he sent me like, five hour documentaries. He's like, this is how you're going to find out that Israel was behind 911, and it's going to be great, and you're going to see things totally different. Yeah, he dives deep into it, man, and I appreciate it, but he's like a rapid fire person.
Like I said, every other day he'll send you something and I just can't keep track of everything realistically. Have you guys ever had him on one of your podcasts? We've talked about it. We should. We definitely should. It sounds like you should, man. This is like the DNA where it came. Yeah. Yeah. I think it would be one of those things that we could not put on YouTube just for the things that he would say, but yeah, we have definitely talked about it with a declassified discussions of just, like, talking to him.
It's been a thought. That's pretty awesome. I'm wondering, too, that if there's any that you guys have tried to sell him on, and he was like, nah, but it almost sounds like he would be receptive to anything that you guys would be receptive, right? Yeah. Yeah, I'm sure he would be. He typically takes the reins, but if we pitched him something, he'd probably go along with it. I mean, I definitely vote for know Mike on for one of those episodes, man.
That could be a crazy one. We'll bring him on alcohol involved. All right. We'll bring him on Paranoid American. So you mentioned he was a little bit of a wild man, some substance usage, and I wanted to see if you guys were open to doing some PCP with me tonight. And if you both look under your chairs, go ahead. No way. I heard somebody in my office earlier, so I've got a little fun segment that I'm calling the PCP segment, the Paranormal Conspiracy Probe.
And I want to probe both of you guys, and it's going to damn it somewhere between a zero and a ten. So if I probe you and you feel like a zero, that's like, okay, I don't believe that. It's a psyop space. Isn't real. And then if it's a ten, you're all in it's. Like, there's conclusive proof. I'll die on this hill. I'll argue with someone over it.
And if you're on the fence and could lean either way or you don't care, it's kind of like a five. Simple enough. Like a zero to ten rating. So since there's two of you, I'll let you both kind of, like, answer. I don't know if you each have your own numbers or if you want to come together and form. Okay, are you guys ready? We're just going to rapid fire, like, ten to 15 of these, just so I can see where our bearings are at.
Is bigfoot real? Nine. Yeah, I'm around there. Eight. All right. Are reptilians real? Specifically reptilian shapeshifters? Six. I'm also at an eight. Okay. Did we ever land on the moon? Zero. Fucking one. Yeah. Is the moon even real? Zero like a seven. I think the moon is real. There's no proof, but go on. Is the world flat? One. So it's not flat. World is not flat. The world's not flat.
Yeah. I'm out of zero. Okay. I'm actually happy to hear some of those celebrities. I can't wait. Real? Yeah. Seven also? Yeah. Is magic real? Nine. Yeah. Nine or ten. Easily do freemasons still run the world today? Nine. Six. Are ghost real. Ten. We're not getting into what they are. So yeah. Ten. Are dinosaurs real? Three. Dude, I'm at, like, a one with that. Wow. Okay, we're going to get into that.
We're going to get into is the Mandela effect proof of an alternate realm timeline? 45. I'm at, like, a five on that, honestly. Okay. Do giants still exist today somewhere in the world? Like legit? Not just like a tall Asian dude. Does that include underground? Yeah, absolutely includes underground. Specifically underground. Eight. Seven. Yeah. Do you think the Montauk project and the research by Preston B. Nichols and his Delta T antenna is real? Ten.
Yeah, that's like a nine. And how much do you trust cryptocurrency on a scale from one to 100 now that the government is in it? Zero. All right, so I want to go directly to dinosaurs. This is one of my favorite topics, and I'm not here to debate or sell any ideas. If anything. I grew up with land before time, and I grew up with dinosaurs being, like, the coolest thing next to robots or GI.
Joes, right? Like, dinosaurs were the shit, bro. Dinosaur show. I can't even tell you how badass dinosaurs are to me still. I still think they're the coolest things ever. You know what I mean? And I've been to the national history Museum, and I've seen the huge Trexes and all of that. So I understand that there's some of the criticisms are like, well, a stegosaurus wasn't actually looked that way.
And sometimes they arrange stuff. And I also understand the aspect of you might have a century of scientists and people that have named things after themselves, and nobody wants to give up all those credentials that they feel they've earned or the legacies or whatever. Right. So what's the fucking deal with dinosaurs then, man? Are the bones all fake? Are the bones real? But they're just, like, assembling them and calling it something else? Why are you guys at so low on Dino? What was it, like a zero and a three? Yeah, I'm actually really glad you're getting into this.
So I was actually on the dinosaurs aren't real roundtable. Very recently. We recorded that, and this is all very fresh in my mind. So I'm just going to throw it out there that paleontology is strictly hypothetical. The entire science of paleontology is hypothetical. There has never been an entire dinosaur skeleton ever found. Whole. All the bones intact, ever. All of it is hypothesis. It's all renderings of what this animal could have been based off of a jawbone and a femur bone and a couple of teeth and maybe a toe bone.
And that's why you see these new renders of Tyrannosaurus Rexes every couple of years. Well, it had feathers, and it was purple, and actually it was 8ft shorter than we thought before. And you're going to continue to see that for the next who knows how long. Not only that, but yeah, all of the dinosaur. Bones you've ever seen in any museum ever are plaster casts. None of those are real bones.
Well, okay, so were the cast also fake then? Because I guess in some cases, the bone itself might not be real because the bone doesn't exist anymore if it wasn't petrified. And all that's left is like the negative impression of where the bone used to be. So I guess in that regard, yeah, a lot of the bones are not real at all. And even the fragments are kind of like displaced petrified little chunks that they then sort of assume, okay, that's where this thing went.
So do you think it was just like a ball that got out of control? Like one dude was like, hey, I'm going to say that this chunk of rock right here or this calcium deposit was part of a big 80 foot gigantic leather demon. Think about it this way. It's like if you did find a random bone or like you said, a calcium deposit and you had no other explanation for it, it's the early 18 hundreds.
What the hell do you know? What is your first go to? Is it going to be you make some shit up in your head? Well, it had to be this giant lizard that existed. Million step right up. Yeah, it's almost a snake salesman type of thing, realistically. And there's an entire background to the history museums and what they're touting as dinosaur bone and the science behind it. I don't know.
It's kind of weird. What's the difference to you, Mike, between a zero and a three? Because it sounds like slick is like, fuck dinosaurs. They're fake as hell. And you're like, yeah, they might be pretty fake. I'm kind of sure they're fake. But I'm just curious, what are you missing for you to just go all out and be like, zero, I'll die on that hill. I do believe that creatures existed.
I mean, obviously that goes without saying. There are footprints. There are things that are found. So you can't deny that there is some sort of creature that did exist. So I'm kind of stuck on that. But as far as them being maybe these massive reptilian animals, maybe they're, you know, and especially like the descendants of birds. I don't know. I can't bridge that gap realistically. But there definitely was some sort of creature that existed.
You both rated Bigfoot very high. So I'm curious. Why is there such a gap between dinosaurs and Bigfoot? Is it just that the establishment says there's dinosaurs? So you're like, fuck the establishment. Dinosaurs are fake, and that they say that Bigfoot isn't real, so you're like, Bigfoot's got to be real. Is it just like, I'm not going to do what you tell me thing? Or is there something behind wanting actually believing Bigfoot more than dinosaurs? Subconsciously? Yeah, it's probably a government thing.
There's like rage going on back of the head probably. But looking at dinosaurs. There's this huge amount of money that's made behind dinosaurs. When you look at the term fossil fuels that's been coined since the early 19 hundreds, people believed that these are dinosaur bones and there's a limited amount of them. And that's our oil. That's how our cars are running. So you had the oil industry backed off of dinosaurs.
You've got media backed off of dinosaurs with, like you said, the land before time, Jurassic Park. And we can go on and on about dinosaur media and then just the entire boys children culture of dinosaur toys, dinosaur pajamas, dinosaur tapestries. There's a lot of money to be made behind dinosaurs. And I guess you could say the same about bigfoot Harry and the Hendersons. It was a pretty big movie.
Yeah, for sure. But with bigfoot just the fact that there's not definitive evidence, but just that lingering to it just sort of like aliens. I don't know, it makes it almost more believable. It's weird. It's hard to explain. It's hard to put into words. If they started going through museums and they're like, we're dismantling all the dinosaur exhibits. We're sorry, dinosaurs aren't real, then would you be like, wait a minute, maybe dinosaurs were real? No, because then you have this whole entire field of science that's been a sham for 200 years.
So where are you guys at on Tartaria, specifically? Okay, let me give you two different avenues because Tartaria is very broad. Do you think that the mud flood is legit, that ancient civilizations were wiped away either through the land rising and sweeping it away, or, I guess, like high tech lasers melting mountains and turning people into mountains and stuff? But where you are on that aspect of Tartaria, there's some good evidence for mud floods, but there's also a lot of evidence against it.
A lot of the pictures or evidence that exists out there for mud floods shows, oh, there was this city that's under here, and look, we've uncovered it. And realistically, a lot of that is either underground cities because of elevation change, where new cities are built on top of old cities, old infrastructure that people are taking pictures of and showing as an old city that was covered in mud, or just in general, just stuff that people don't understand, like entire sewer systems.
A lot of the pictures we cover Tartaria. We talked about Tartaria, and it was very photo, heavy episode for us. But a lot of the photos that popped up as far as the proof of mud flood is, I don't know, not on a world scale. If there was some sort of mud flood, it was very locational. Hold on, one secondary. I also feel like we just barely scratched the surface while the evidence yeah, the evidence was scarce.
Not really, but like you said, locational. But the people that are, like, heavy into Tartaria and hidden history and the mud floods, they're years and years and years deep into research, and we research for a couple of weeks on that subject, so it's hard to say. Like you said, it's so broad, it's so vast, there's so much to get into when you get into that rabbit hole. Me, personally, I haven't gotten all the way into it.
What about the world fairs? Do either of you guys think that because the Tartarian theory is that world fair was a cover and that these buildings existed and there was all of these elaborate sort of architecture that existed, and then they set up a world fair and then knocked it down and was like, oh, just plaster of Paris. But that was a cover story for destroying the ancient civilization, the remnants.
This was Rome destroying Carthage and phoenicia, right? Where are you guys at on that? Know, I look at it this way, it's like, okay, yeah, it is a lot to go all out for a fair, but then you look at how long a lot of these fairs went on. Some of them went on for months. It wasn't just like your everyday small town fair that's in for maybe a week.
A lot of these were like six month stints, five months, eight months, take you a month just to get here. Yeah, exactly. And that's a lot of things. And they talk about, oh, they had lighting and they had all this stuff. Yeah, of course they did. The evidence of lighting is during a time where they had electricity to build these things. I think that it's possible, especially if you're building facades, if you're not necessarily building to last the test of time or to go through different types of weather, earthquakes, hurricanes, any type of thing like that.
If it's mostly just building for the sake of having something that's a temporary structure, it's easy with large workforces to get a lot of work done like that. All right, so this is the official story then, that the world's fairs were made up of plaster paris temporarily and then taken back down, and they weren't a cover story to knock down ancient stuff that was here before Columbus. I look at it this way, there's a lot of other architecture throughout the world that is still standing, that is of the same type of architecture, and that's not totally wiped out, it became tourist traps.
So if anything, America is a corporation, and we've proven that through and through. If we were to encounter anything where it was like, oh, look at these ancient buildings that we have, we're not going to make money off that. We're going to turn that into an attraction bigger than Disney, bigger than any amusement park in this country. Okay, so on that particular note, because that's actually one of my biggest criticisms of, I think, ghosts and like, paranormal events and stuff, is that in this day and age, if anyone could get some sort of a conclusive proof of a phantasm or a poltergeist or whatever you want to call it, right? They would just turn it into like a live stream show and just make bank.
They'd start selling ads for Hello Fresh and stuff. There's been a couple of fun movies about this kind of premise, but I kind of feel that same way. I'm just curious if because when I asked about ghost, you both sound like you were around like a ten or at least very high in those numbers. And of course, ghost is a very vague general concept. So where do you guys stand on that? And specifically, why do you think that nobody has launched a YouTube career off of knowing how to summon demons and ghosts on a live stream? So that's a fantastic question.
It might sound like bullshit. My ten comes strictly from living in an extremely haunted house. And I won't get into all of the details, but I've seen evidence of things that are unexplainable. And from researching into the paranormal, it doesn't work on your time. I'm of the opinion that you can't manipulate these sort of things to occur on a frequency that fits your narrative, that fits your timeline, fits your schedule.
Right? So you can't say, I'm going to book these tours from 09:00 A. m. To 10:00 P. m. , and people are definitely going to see ghosts. You're working with entities that exist outside of our realm. They exist outside of time, outside of our three dimensional space. And in my opinion, there's nothing we can do to provoke them or have them show themselves to us, which is why it's hard to be like, I'm going to show you a ghost, and here it is.
It just sort of happens. This isn't a science podcast, and I didn't do the greatest in science or math, so we don't need to get super technical. But I'm just curious if let's say you're in a haunted house and you see an apparition in front of you, right, what do you think happens if someone takes out a cell phone and starts recording it? Does it go away? Does it remain so only you can see it and a camera can't see it? What's happening in that sort of a scenario? I personally don't think that ghosts can be caught on camera.
I know that you'd be able to see it in real life and then try to videotape it. And it would be like a vampire in a mirror. Yeah. I think what it boils down to is perception. Like my whole thing when it comes to ghosts or poltergeist or anything like that, is it's a stain of time. That's all it is. It's not the spirit of a dead person.
It's not your loved one who's haunting your home. It's nothing like that. I think it's a stain of time. It's like if you had somebody on video on loop, which is why there's a lot of accounts of ghosts doing the same thing doing the same motions over and over and over again because it's just somebody stuck in time. And I think your eyes perceive or have the ability to perceive these stains in time.
Your eyes have the ability to see a lot of different things, but we only see within a certain spectrum, as we all know. So I think those little blips are just our ability. Some people can see them better than others. Some people can't see them at all. So I think it's really just a matter of perception and how you're seeing these things happen in front of you. With a camera, it doesn't have that type of lens.
It doesn't have the ability to pick up whatever that light band is that your eyes have the ability to pick up. So I think when it comes to cameras and stuff like that, maybe we're not getting the full story as it comes to ghosts, but I do think that your eyes can see more than a camera. Yeah, I'm curious. Even if you set up like infrared and heat vision and HDR and just everything under the sun, is it like a different frequency that we're not hit? Because if I can see a ghost in real life with my eyeballs, I assume that's because there's photons involved and there's something that's vibrating my optic nerve, telling me which colors are out there, which are being blocked from all the reflections, which is basically how a camera kind of operates.
But if the human eye can see something that like an image processor or like an I guess that would be another question. Is like digital cameras and analog, do you think no difference. Like a ghost would be able to dodge both of those, like even a film camera? Regarding cameras, all I have to say is that every single time I've ever watched some sort of ghost investigating show, every time I've seen them film some sort of apparition, excluding orbs, orbs, I would say is different.
Every single time I've seen them capture some sort of apparition, I've called bullshit. I have said openly, I think that that's bullshit. And that's only because I've lived in a house where there was frequent activity for upwards of three years, and not once did I or anybody else that lived in the house ever see some sort of shadow person or some sort of apparition, nothing like that. And keep in mind, we never set up cameras.
We never checked for ourselves, but with our own eyes, never anything like that. I kind of think that whole apparition thing is a little bit of bullshit. Where are you guys at on demons in particular? Do you think it would be possible to so there's two versions of this. Let's go with the most specific one, which is you go and you find an expert, thalema Crowly wizard person, and he's like, here's the formula.
You're going to fast, you're going to eat these herbs it's to the book. Right. Do you think that there's a very real possibility that you sit down with that guy and do the initiation ritual and everything on the right, astrologically aligned dates and everything? Would you potentially invoke an actual demonic or evil entity, like a possession or something? How close would that to reality? Is it? I don't think, personally, I've ever really thought of demons or what they could be.
I think demons kind of bring up the thought process of religion. And to me, religion is just like a fur coat on a pretty lady. You're covering up some sort of truth with something else. So, like the Bible. A lot of people will swear on the Bible that is the word of God. Okay? Yeah, it's the word of God that's been translated fucking 1000 different times in 50 different languages and through the hands of countless amounts of people who have put their spin on it and their twist on it and what they want you to believe and what they think that it should say.
But yeah, it's the word of God. So when it comes to demons and stuff like that, it's kind of tough if you're talking about maybe entities of some sort that have nefarious kind of things about them. Yeah, I mean, it's possible. There's bad energy out there. There's shitty energy. And can it manifest over a long enough period of time? I'm sure. Can it have some sort of personification? I couldn't tell you.
But if a feeling or an energy lasts enough through enough time, maybe it can replicate itself or maybe it can mimic what it sees around itself and that's what becomes the worst parts of human beings. Yeah, putting the word demon we could call it a daemon too, would be a slightly less religious version. Right? Like Solomon, like Aggregors and things like that. Yeah, putting the word demon, it almost obviously you're leaning towards religion and if that's what you believe, so be it.
But there's definitely a ying and yang to the energies of the universe. And I do believe that there's good energy and bad energy, good entities, bad entities. And those things do exist. Those things do exist and they can manifest in our three dimensional realm. I'm almost convinced of it. It's hard to believe otherwise. Almost. Do you think that they're at the heart of these conspiracy theories? You think they're the ones running the show? Do you think that humans just access them and use them and make deals? What do you think their role is? I think that almost gives people too much credit because there are really shitty people.
Shitty people to the point where they're almost comparable to demons in the way that they maneuver, in the way that they think and the way that they feel. Like there are really terrible people out there. That they're not demons, they're not possessed by demons. They just gain. Yeah, ed gain. I mean, that brings into the nature versus nurture sort of argument, and nature versus nurture incorporating demons into the equation that opens up a whole entire can of worms.
I think there's people that are just born like that. I think there's people that are born good people that are influenced to be bad people and I think that there's people that are born good people that are influenced to be bad people through other entities that exist outside of our ethereal realm, if that makes any sense. And changing up a little bit because I don't want to go too much farther without digging into some JFK, because you mentioned that as one of your staples.
And I want to ask you guys if you think the JFK records are ever going to be released even outside of our light, like, in the next hundred years, do you think the unredacted versions will be released? No, they won't be. Who do you think actually did it? Do you think Lee Harvey Oswald had his finger on a trigger at any point? Not at all. He might have.
I don't think he did. No. No. You think he was the good guy? You think he was just like a straight up patsy? I didn't even know what was going on or what. I don't know about a good guy, but I 100% believe that Oswald never took a single shot, especially with a lot of JFK things that we've looked into, researched. We've dove into it a lot of times and almost to the point of saying, maybe we should redo this episode.
But there's a lot to go on, and there's so many conflicting stories, but there's a lot of things that people don't know. Eyewitness accounts that place Lee Harvey Oswald over by a fence, which was over by the grassy knoll. How can he be over there if he's going out of the Book Depository? Like, how does that happen? How can he be in two places at once? There's another eyewitness account of him getting into a car, into the back of a car with another man by the grassy knoll and driving away after the assassination.
So how does that work? That brings into the whole thing of, like, was there a doppelganger? Did they set this man up? Because they were able to find somebody who looked like him and he was just like, that's the guy. He had these ties to Russians, and he had these ties to his military career, and he had these distant ties to the Mafia. And there's just so much to go on, and a lot of it points to this guy just didn't know what the hell was going on.
And I think that is ultimately what led to him being assassinated. Like, look at the situation of that. You're doing a prisoner transfer and you let literally every fucking news outlet know about it. And not only know about it, but gain access to where you're bringing him what what's going on? Then? Who actually did it? They say Jack Ruby. But is there also a Lee Harvey? Like, Jack Ruby didn't shoot Lee Harvey Oswald.
No, he shot him. But then you look at the connections of Ruby, like, look at his connections. He ran a club, and there was mob ties there, and that's a little suspicious in itself. So does it point to the Mafia being involved? Does it point know lead back to maybe you know, I have this theory that Jimmy Hoffa, during those trials, was like, he went to a point, man.
He said, take out and or take out Kennedy, and they took out the wrong Kennedy. I think that they originally wanted to go for Robert Kennedy. I think that's what that was all about, because if you look back on Robert Kennedy was going against the Teamsters, and he was going after Hoffa, and that led back to the Mafia. That's target number one. Why would JFK be the target of the Mafia at that point, if only to say, okay, your brother died, maybe that pulls him away from the case.
Maybe he stops doing that at that point. But if you're willing to assassinate the United States President, why not just assassinate a senator or an attorney general at that point? Make it easier. That doesn't fit the King kill ritual. Yeah, yeah. If you want to roll back into rituals, I just want to throw out there. I don't know who killed either, but but I think there's a very strong threat on George Day Morinschilt, who was the liaison when Lee Harvey Oswald and Marina Oswald moved into town.
And he was like, oh, you're know, I'm Russian. But he also knew Jackie Kennedy when she was just a girl. Like, he knew the family, and he worked directly with the CIA on a lot of things. He went over to Haiti as an oil inspector to, like, land surveys and stuff. But it very much seems like it was all just CIA cover work for uncovering stuff that was going on in Haiti at the time.
But he was, like, smack dab in the middle of that thing, and he made sure that he put himself in Haiti while it was going down and was like, oh, everyone see where I'm at now? I'm in Haiti. I couldn't have been part of this. Here's the and and that right know, just looking at all of it. That's why it's the greatest conspiracy theory of all time. You could put anything else up against it, but look at where we're all looking.
It's in 25 different directions. You could say it's the CIA, you could say it's the mafia, you could say it's X, Y and Z, but you don't know. And it's all intertwined and it's such a jumble of a conspiracy that to speak on your question earlier, I think they'll probably release it in 100 years. When anybody who has a thought about JFK or has an inkling about the conspiracy theory is all dead and gone, that's when they're going to say, oh, by the way, remember that guy from 150 years ago that got her assassinated? It's like if they came out today and they said, oh, well, Abe Lincoln was actually assassinated by this guy, you wouldn't give two shits.
You'd say, oh, wow, all my history was wrong. But then you'd move on like nothing ever happened. Whereas if you were to release that today, oh, Oswald was not the shooter. It was actually this person. Well, okay, we still have people alive that were a part of that. We still have people that were involved in that situation. We still have a ton of conspiracy theorists that have been chasing down this answer.
So it's like, wait some time, they'll all be gone, and they won't care anymore. And I also always look at JFK was like, at least our parents big conspiracy theory where everyone was. You remember exactly where you were when JFK was shot? And I think that's where the 911 one came. That was like the new generation's version of a JFK. And it also, I think, turned into this JFK erupted in the conspiracy theorists versus the non conspiracy theorists, the pro Warren Report versus, hey, this is fucky, right? And then 911 kind of evoked that truth or movement.
So, like, these huge conspiracies. It always feels like a little glitch or something where more people kind of, like, hop on board, I guess. And at least in my experience, I've never seen somebody jump onto the conspiracy theory train after one of those big events and then jump back off of it. Sometimes you'll have people that get onto the ancient alien stuff, or they'll get onto gamatria or celebrity clones and then jump back off of it.
But when it's these big like, once someone's convinced that the JFK assassination official story wasn't real, it doesn't seem very often they walk back from that. It's like a gateway drug, right? And you start getting deeper and deeper into these rabbit holes. Have either of you guys been at the brink of a particular rabbit hole? And you're just like, I don't even want to get into it. I don't even want to know if it's real or not.
I'll just assume that it's real, or I'll just assume that it's not. Simulation theory. Simulation theory. Yeah, it's simulation theory. I think that's the number one answer. It has to be. That's the ultimate conspiracy. In my opinion, that is like the creme de la creme of conspiracies, because all conspiracies exist within it. If that's the case, it's all code. What do you think that when you were talking before about good entities and bad entities, we don't have to call them angels and demons or anything, but these aggregors, these thought forms, whatever the hell you want to refer to them as, does that go out the window.
If this is simulation theory, do all of us go out the window when it's just you that's the brain in the VAT? I don't think so. I mean, look at your computer. There's viruses and there's antivirus firmware. There's the good and the bad. There is the good and the bad. Even in code, I wouldn't say it all goes out the window. Taking simulation theory into regard, is there bad and good in code? Because I guess I see computer code as being truly agnostic and bipartisan.
Right. It's just magnets flipping themselves on and off. It's really the humans that are doing stuff with it that make it good or bad. Or do you think there's like a ghost machine aspect? Like, could I upload all of the horrible Alistair Crowley incantations and the Frazzled drip transcript? And would that actually be like an evil entity out in digital space? Well, think of feeding that into a super advanced AI.
Yeah. And was like, oh, I remember this. This is where I trade. Yeah, a sentient AI. I mean, at that point, it kind of has the choice to become good or bad. Where are you guys at on AI? Scary as all hell. It's scary. It can be used for good, and I'd like to think that it will be, but on a range from Elon Musk to Sarah Connor, where you guys, this is, this is God honest, I realistically think that AI is the beginning of the end of us.
Everybody sees it as like, oh, yeah, chat GPT. It makes it so much easier to write a resume and all this other stuff. But at the same time, you're not looking at the big picture of it. You're looking at what they have now. Now imagine what they have in ten years. Now imagine what they have in 20 years. Now imagine what AI can do when you've essentially just turned off the safety precautions because somebody will do it.
It's just human nature. You're never going to find nobody is ever going to be 100% on that page where they're going to say, you know what, AI? We're always going to put these safeguards in and they're never going to be able to turn on us. It's like Asimov's law, they're never going to be able to turn on us. They're always going to see us as their no, no.
There is always going to be that one person that all of a sudden is going to say, you know what, let's see what happens. Let's comment this one little line out, this little statement. That's it. But what if it's not the beginning of the end and it's just the beginning of the beginning? What if we're only living because AI gave us a beginning? So this is the beginning of the simulation, or we're midway through and there's God knows how many more AI could be the beginning of the beginning.
What if this life ends and then. Purgatory is just like pop up ads for 1000 years, one could only hope. Sounds terrible. And you just spend all your time trying to X out of them. No limewire. I don't want that. McAfee if we're living in a simulation, is it close to Matrix style? Do you think we've got human bodies out there somewhere and we're linked into a big thing? Or do we even have physical bodies at all? Or we're just kind of like vibrations floating around? I think we're AI.
I don't think we have physical bodies. More wholesome to think that we do have bodies somewhere out there, avatar style. Yeah, it's comforting, but probably not. Is it comforting, though? Yeah, it is. Thinking that there's a physical me maybe outside, would you assume that it's the one that you're envisioning still, though? Like, it would be a probably not. It's probably like a gross worm thing covered in green sludge.
So I got one other question, and I'm such an idiot. I'm always supposed to ask this question first because it can help direct where all the questions are going to go. So let's just pretend that I asked this when we first started. All right? Mike and Slick, are you cops? Because if you guys are cops, you have to tell me. You're not allowed to lie about that. It's law.
Is it really a law, though? It is a law. I don't think it's a directly. If you ask directly, you have to tell me you're a cop. You're both dodging the question. I'm just saying. All right. The records indicate that Mike and Slick took a very long time to deny that they were not a I'm not a fan of a are you a thin blue line? Are you an ACAB? Are you somewhere in the middle? No, I'm definitely not an ACAB.
I'm definitely not a thin blue line. In the middle is a nice place to be. I think not all cops are bad. I think all cops are insufficiently trained to deal with a lot of situations. I think their First Amendment is if you run into something that feels threatening, just pull out your gun and shoot at it until you can't see it anymore. But at the same time, America, that's pretty much it.
I think a lot of issues with cops have to do with bad training. And I also think that at least as far as our local law enforcement, they don't go through psychological tests. So it's not like they ask you all these questions and you go through all these things to kind of figure out where you are in the world as your brain is developing. They're not therapists, dude.
They're not therapists. But either way, not even them being therapists. Just to see where the actual officer is, to see where that person is as they're coming into a position of power, in a position where they know that nine times out of ten, if they do something wrong, that they're going to be backed by other police officers or they're going to be backed by the department. Or they're going to be backed by the Thin Blue Line people.
So I think there is a severe lack of kind of delving into that person and saying, okay, were you the bully in high school? Were you the quarterback who got everything they ever wanted? And now you're going to become a cop and you're going to go get forearm tattoos and buff yourself out and go home and beat your wife because you don't know how to deal with stresses of work.
There's just so many things that I think when it comes to police, they don't look into that. It's just like, okay, well, you got a bachelor's degree. You know about the laws, so here's a gun, here's a car, go out there and do it. All cops are not bad, but all cops are also not fucking heroes. Acaba. Cab. A cab. A-C-A-B-A cab. Yeah, there's not a convenient acronym for that one.
Where are you? Out on capitalism, anarchy, communism. Do you guys fall into a certain favorite flavor? I think people should have their own land and just do their own thing. Like, fuck capitalism, fuck communism. Fuck. Like people should just be able to do their own thing. Fuck Walmart. Especially like all the grocery stores, all that. People should just be self sufficient, independent, be able to do their own thing without rules and regulations.
That's my stance. Unfortunately, that's impossible in the world that we live in. What if you just want a podcast all day and you don't want to pull on the cow's utters to get yourself some milk? You just want a podcast, then milk is gross. So you got it. You can do that. I mean, you just end up starving. That's all it is. Yeah, that is. They'll all be just starving.
Podcasts. That's it. The vegan podcast where we just eat carrots until we starve to death. What were the sungazers? If you just stare at the sun for long enough, you can absorb energy directly from outer space and you don't have to eat anything. Solar diet photosynthesis. I'm also in the same vein that we should just be self sufficient. Barter system works great. As long as everybody involved is getting something out of it, barter system works great.
And I'm sorry, if you come onto my land and you're ready to barter and then you try to back out of that deal or try to rob me, you're getting shot. That's it. Simple as simple. Why involve the government? Why involve law enforcement? It's between you and I. Yeah, but then what happens if we get rid of HOAs? Everyone's lawn will get all overgrown and stuff. I don't like that.
Imagine all those people coloring their front door, whatever the color they want. Castle Doctrine meets HOA. I like that idea. It's amazing. To me that HOAs even still exist. It's wild that people just get into those situations willingly. It's very weird. So I wanted to ask you sort of tying it back to where we started out and pulling into the JFK too, because JFK was my first introduction to Jolly West, dr.
Louis Joyton West. And I'm curious, I can't remember exactly what video clip that I saw from you guys. And it was like a whole little acted out kind of skit. What was that from? Are you making more? What was the inspiration for that skit? Can you tell me the name of it in case someone wants to search it and I can post a link to what what skit are you talking about? Because I'm trying to remember.
It was about Dr. Jolly west and there was like some time travel aspect to it and you guys were together and acting it out. I think you had costumes on and shit. Oh no, that wasn't us. I'm telling you for sure it was. There's no way. Are you I'll have to find the link and post it to you. Yes, please do. Please do. I know we've talked about Jolly West, but we've hardly gotten into costume besides, like, wearing birthday hats.
That's true. For a birthday episode, I assume. Yeah, something like that. Yeah, I think that was that our two year anniversary. Two year anniversary? Yeah, I think we were birthday hats and that was about it. Is that the three year anniversary's birthday hats again? Or are you guys going to raise the stakes a little bit? We're thinking like fireworks show. Yeah, I'll probably have candles coming out of my nose, something like that.
We did a Halloween episode and it's funny because we got a ton of shit for it. We kind of wore things like it was Halloween, whatever. And I was wearing devil horns, just like little ones you put on top of your head. I remember people just commenting like, what's with the devil horns? Are you Satanist? Are you all about that evil? Because everybody has to equate something innocuous to.
And that's when you're like religion is kind of like a mink coat that you put on and it's like a facade. That's it. How long do you have here? Take a seat really quick. Yeah. Oh, funny story, completely off topic. I lived in San Diego a while back and there was this woman that came up to me. I was sitting at a bus stop and she came up to me and she was know, oh, take this pamphlet about Jesus.
And I talked to her for maybe 2 hours sitting at that bus stop and made her question the very existence of her life and the God that she believed in. It was a terrible thing, but I could not stop myself because she was so adamant about saving me. Yeah, it was a really messy was this a chick track? What's that was it a chick track? No. If there's a hell, you're going, you're going.
I'm okay with that. Yeah, it is. What? How long do you think would last for if you really did show up and there was hell? Would you be like, well, this is it forever? Or do you think that there's like a time limit? Like you just go in, time out for a little bit? Well, don't they say that God always forgives or know? I don't know about once.
You're going to great. Apparently last night I'm just throwing it out there. Great movie. Watched it last night. It's on, hulu. It's called the devil conspiracy. Yes. And this futuristic tech company, and they specialize in cloning and they took artifacts from the Vatican and the shawl that Christ wore. Yeah, the shroud that Christ wore while he was being crucified. They took the blood of Christ and made eggs out of it and pumped it into women.
And then they inoculated it with Satan. They made eggs out of it? Yeah. They made eggs out of Christ's. So they changed Christ's gender in the process on top of that. Well, they made Christ non binary by making him an egg, technically. But yeah, they made Christ an egg. They put it into a woman. They inoculated it with Satan so that the agenda could rise up from the underworld.
Check. How did they get Satan? Semen? Was there like the lowest guy on the totem pole? Dude, it was weird. They had like, some castle up on a mountain and the castle had like a cage that dropped down into hell and Satan crawled in through the lady's mouth. Satan's dick just starts popping up through the flames. Some tenacious shit. How big do you think Satan's dick would be if it entered the physical realm? No, probably like three and a half inches.
Backing. He's backing Jesus. What if no matter what, whoever he was comparing his dick to his was always like one inch bigger, no matter what that feels like, that would kind of if you ruled the physical realm, you could do stuff like that. Like, oh, mandingo has a 13 inch dick. Well, mine's 14. Are you measuring from the taint or from the shaft? You always measure from the shaft.
I measure from the ground to the tip. You said three inches. Right. So I want to just suggest that maybe for the third birthday anniversary, we try to summon Satan's penis and just see what goes on from there if we were successful. Think about the ad revenue. That sounds really I mean, these Hyundai's aren't going to sell themselves, though, my friends. It's like you said. Oh, yeah, toyota.
It's like you said, if God exists and there is a hell, then I'm going to hell. So if we summon Satan's dick, we can make some sort of deal where, you know, at least live the rest of my mortal coil pretty comfortably in a toyota Camry. Maybe I'll ask for a Toyota dealership. I can be the Toyota guy. Yeah. Show up in hell and they're like, here's your Avalon.
Thank you. You did great. Great job. I want to give you guys a chance to tell people where to find you again and any other shows that you want them to tune into, just drop them. For sure. Yeah. Hush hush society conspiracy hour. It's a mouthful, but we're the only ones, so if you Google us, you'll find all of our stuff. You can also go to Hush hushsociety.
com. Very, very easy to find us on there. We're on all the socials, the new X. Find us on the X. And yeah, we got a great catalog. Lot of stuff that you can get into. Leave us a review, check us out. And yeah, we have roundtables coming out very soon, hopefully Paranoid American is on one. We're all together on these roundtables. It includes a lot of great podcasters.
We're taking on different topics. What did we do? We got a drenochrome. Dinosaurs aren't real. And secret space program. Yeah. So definitely check that out and check out all the shows that are attached to it. If any of those are out by the time I drop this, check the links below for those Conspiracy Theory Roundtable sessions. Those are going to be awesome and I hope we keep those going where they're like very focused topics and different people have different perspectives on it.
I think it's a cool format. Yeah, that's kind of the idea that we had when we jumped into it. This is our second round of roundtables, and when we first got into it, we said, let's get as many podcasters within our realm, a little bit outside of our realm, to come onto these topics, give their two cent. And obviously we broke up. We're a trio. We went on three different roundtables.
So it brings up this whole the idea that you're communicating and having these conversations with people that you don't normally have these conversations with on a daily basis or regular basis, episode to episode. So it's nice. You get definitely a different worldview from all these different voices. And we got really great people involved and pretty much everybody that's ever been on them, we fuck with. So we like everybody.
So it's a good group. I wonder if we could sneak in and get some professor or a Neil degrasse Tyson from Wish or something. But you just get like four podcasters together and you just say, like, hey, collectively we've got two point whatever, million listens or whatever. Just give you that gravitas. Maybe we can get like some yeah, you get three different natural Museum of History people and then you're just like, all right, dinosaurs Aren't real.
Prove it. I want to be in the room for some of those, man. We need to make that happen. That's the goal for roundtable three. I think we should shoot for that. Bring in some sort of expert. Yeah, an expert on each subject. You hire some professional actor on Fiver that can play the role and just have them be like the agent. Right, let's do that, man. I'm down.
We'll catfish some experts out there to a conspiracy theory roundtable. They won't realize it until they see the intro video playing. It's got reptilians and shit in it. Yeah, exactly. Then it's too late. You just see them all dropping off. If you drop off, we're going to badmouth you on social media. All right, man. Well, Mike Slick. Hush hush, Society. Thank you guys for coming around. We're definitely going to collaborate on some more stuff soon roundtables and other fun things.
I think we were spitballing some ideas on. Maybe some audio drama type stuff too. So more of that to come soon. Thanks very much for having us on. It's always a blast talking to you. Yeah. All right, guys. And then just a reminder that if you're not paranoid, you're not paying attention. Thank you, guys. This has been another episode. Paranoid american podcast. Now check out the damn Homunculus commercial that I'm going to throw at you.
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