Occult Beach Boys (Pet Sounds and Psyops: The Dark Side of Brian Wilson) w/ Matt Comegys

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➡ The speaker shares his experience of living in Japan for 15 years, highlighting the peacefulness, respect for personal space, and the lack of street harassment. He also discusses his interest in meditation, spiritual texts, and conspiracy theories, particularly those related to music. Despite his fascination, he maintains a neutral stance, neither fully believing nor disbelieving these theories.
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➡ The text discusses various conspiracy theories about the Beatles and the Beach Boys, focusing on Paul McCartney and Brian Wilson. It explores the idea that McCartney might have been replaced by a look-alike due to a disfigurement, and that Wilson’s mental health issues and abusive upbringing influenced his music. The text also questions whether Wilson’s manager, Dr. Eugene Landy, was a CIA handler controlling Wilson’s life. Lastly, it encourages the reader to listen to the Beach Boys’ album “Pet Sounds”.
➡ Brian Wilson, a member of the Beach Boys, was managed by Dr. Eugene Landy who was very hands-on. Wilson’s brothers put him with Landy due to his mental health issues. Wilson’s brother, Dennis, had connections with Charles Manson and even mimicked some of his sayings. The Beach Boys bought a song from Manson but didn’t credit him, leading to tension.
➡ This text discusses the connections between Charles Manson, Dennis Wilson, Terry Melcher, and other Hollywood figures. It suggests that Manson had potential to become a big name in the industry, but his “it factor” was not marketable in traditional ways. The text also explores the possibility that Manson’s followers were strategically placed to attract influential people. Lastly, it delves into the theory that Manson’s infamous murders were intended for Melcher, but ended up involving Sharon Tate due to a change in residence.
➡ The text discusses the interconnectedness of various musicians and personalities in the 1960s Hollywood scene, including Charles Manson, Dennis Wilson, and others. It highlights how these individuals were often linked through shared experiences, such as working on the same projects or visiting the same places. The text also explores the influence of military backgrounds and satanic themes in this group. Lastly, it delves into the evolution of the Beach Boys’ music and Brian Wilson’s mental health struggles.
➡ The text discusses the unique music production style of the Beach Boys, particularly focusing on Brian Wilson’s innovative approach. Wilson would record small snippets of music and then stitch them together, creating a “mini symphony”. This method was costly and time-consuming, but it resulted in some of the most iconic Beach Boys songs. The text also touches on the band’s evolution, their highs and lows, and their influence on pop music.
➡ John Stamos filled in for the Beach Boys after Dennis fell off a boat, even though he was never a full member of the band. The Beach Boys, including Brian Wilson, made appearances on the show Full House. The band had a notable split, with Brian Wilson pursuing a solo career and Mike Love continuing the Beach Boys with Bruce Johnson. Despite a reunion in 2012, Mike Love decided to continue touring with his own version of the band due to cost reasons.
➡ The text discusses various topics, including the possibility of hidden messages in songs when played backwards, the quality of Beach Boys’ lyrics, and the evolution of boy bands. It also touches on conspiracy theories and rates them based on personal belief rather than logic.
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Where each story, every image, every revelation brings us one step closer to the elusive truth. Welcome to another episode of Paranoid American podcast. That’s me. I’m the Paranoid American. I’ve been one for pretty much my entire life. And I’ve got the Paranoid Japanese men. What’s, what’s the proper way to, to say that the Japana man, Matt Kamaji’s here. He’s my co host in a cult Disney. He’s got a million other podcasts that he does. We’ve been talking about crazy occult symbolism in Disney movies for, I think going over two years now. And it just dawned on me he’s never been on here for like a proper interview.

So here he is, going to Answer all the questions. Welcome to the show, Matt. Groovy to be here. It’s actually nostalgic for me because we do have, you know, backgrounds for a call Disney and cartoon Cabal, but. But early on we used to use this background. I didn’t get to be in the picture frame at that point in time. So that’s an upgrade. You’ve upgraded the. The room a bit. Yeah. Well, welcome to the picture frame. If we have more people, they take over the other little screens and the little girl will like poke you in the head and stuff.

But it’s just you and me for now. I got a whole bunch of questions for you. We’re gonna end up talking about Brian Wilson and the Beach Boys and Charles Manson and MK Ultra, because we pretty much talk about all those things in every show anyways. But you mentioned that you are a savant when it comes to Brian Wilson. Why? Yeah, I mean, you know, we’re going to talk about all this stuff, but I am just a massive fan. So as we’re recording this, you know, the news came through, what, a day ago that Brian Wilson passed.

Which, to be fair, I mean, he kind of checked out about two years ago. You know, his wife died and after that, you know, he didn’t make music anymore. Every. On social media accounts, like every two or three months or two months, you’d. You’d see him at Muso and Frank’s, right, with a group of like, celebrities, and he’s just kind of in the center, like. Like he’s just kind of been installed there. So, I mean, it’s like, I guess it’s nice he’s getting out, but it was mildly depressing as well. So you see the news, you’re like, yeah, that was inevitable.

You know, I guess there is just the. It is weird how David Bowie dies. He’s not quite 70. I feel real bad. Prince, man, he was what, 56? That’s a big bummer. You know, I love Brian Wilson, one of my favorite musicians, but I’m like, yeah, it’s actually, it’s kind of time, you know, sweet release of Death. And then also Weekend at Brian’s. I was thinking, as you said, that the weekend of Bernie’s shoot off. Right, Right. Well, we’ve talked before. How. I have. That’s one I’ll give the comedy sequel award to where I like comedy sequels better because he’s a voodoo zombie in that one, so.

So. Well, before we get too far, tell people where they can find you all the other shows that you got going on do all the plugs up front. Oh, yeah, let’s see. Podcasting wise. Well, we do our call at Disney. Come listen to that. I talk about a whole bunch of movies at Films and Filth, where we have A list of 100 of the top rated movies according to IMDb, a list of the weird list of the bottom 100, but is their official list. And we just alternate between what’s supposed to be a really good movie and a really bad movie every.

Sometimes we don’t like the good ones and we love the bad ones. So, you know, we were trying to do each film fairly. Just finished talking about the Twilight Zone at Time Enough Podcast. So if you’re into trippy stuff, do that. And I got some music. Rovingsagemedia.bandcamp.com been doing psychedelic rock, binaural beats to scramble your brain. Just some fun electronic music, some folk rock, some, you know, written with lyrics written by various mystics. So that’s. You’re gonna make me work overtime getting all these links in the description. But I’ll do it. I’ll do it for you.

I’ll make sure we link to all the different places. I can do it for you in two links. Okay, even. Even better. All right, well, well, here we go now. Now we’re here. Let me pop you over here. Welcome. Out of the window. You’re now inside the room, so you’re officially on a list. And I have to start with the question that I’m supposed to start every interview with, and I always forget, and it always comes up at the very end, are you a cop? Because if you’re a cop, you have to tell me, am I a cop? If I was a Japanese cop, it’d be a little more chill, you know, Which I’m not.

No copping. I was a Boy Scout back. I was an Eagle Scout. I feel like they redirected that because what you said was that you’re not a Japanese cop, but you never denied being an American cop or intelligence. I could be a Venezuelan cop. No, no. No copping. And no copping on my end. Just Boy scouting. I was a Boy Scout, so. Okay, well, why did you leave the greatest country on earth that ever existed? Why would you go so far? You couldn’t get farther away if you wanted to, Right? Like If I did McMurdo Station in Antarctica, right up against that ice wall.

You know, maybe that’d be a little farther away. But here’s the thing. I’m from Atlanta, Georgia. I have no problem with Atlanta, Georgia. It’s A fun city. There’s lots of fun stuff. Chocolate city. Yeah. Somewhere my brain is just programmed like, you gotta leave your nest. You know what I’m saying? Like, you can’t start. You can’t end up where you started. You never heard of Savannah? Savannah’s nice town. But what happened is, okay, University. Athens, Georgia, It’s a little farther away. Then I did environmental education for a few years, out of school and taught with the hippies.

South Carolina for like, a few months now. Pennsylvania for a few months. And then I was out in Maine and Canada for, like, two years or something. I was like, I’ll go a little farther. So, okay, Here, here. Maybe I’ve told you this before, but I have a very trippy reason why I ended up in Japan. So after doing the environmental education, I came back. I was like, okay, I should start, like, being a proper daughter or something. I had a dream where I was living and working in Melbourne, Australia. So the next day I started looking up things about that, and it seemed really difficult at the time.

You couldn’t just move to Australia. And then something came up. South Korea. I was like, that’s interesting. And I did an interview, and I actually got offered a job to go teach in South Korea. But I was like, I’m from the northeast part of Atlanta, which is extremely Korean. So I’m like, I feel like I’m already in Korea. So I was like, what about Japan? How good are you in starcraft? No, I never played it. So you’re not allowed to be in South Korea, then? No, no, no. It’s actually on their immigration papers. I don’t know if you know that it’s part of the test, because I have played a Pokemon game.

Not much, but I’ve played a little bit. So maybe that’s in Japanese. You got to be in the rear with the gear. Otherwise there’s no evidence. But yeah, yeah. So just kind of spur of the moment. Just. I had a dream, made me do one thing, then another thing. And then in Japan, then I got offered a few jobs, came out, like, I’ll do it for a year. And I remember just before going back home after a year, I’m riding a bike. It’s one of those memories, you know, where you have seared in your brain. And I just remember every detail being on my bike and saying, I’m not quite finished with Japan yet.

So I went home for a year, came back, met my wife, got married, we tried to live in America for two years, and we were like, we like Japan better And just I’ve been here for the past 15 years. What’s better for me, Japan, the whole country, Everything about it is better than America. Oh, not everything, but just the way I like. You could just kind of go through crowds, basically. Well, I’m noticed because I’m a foreigner, but, you know, it’s just like everyone’s kind of. People don’t want to bug. They don’t want to. I don’t want to confront people, and neither do most Japanese.

So are there less people hustling on the street? Does has. Have you ever been. Oh, God, yes. In Japan, selling, like, mixtapes, like, buy my album if you go to Harajuk or something. For sure. But yeah, no, you don’t get bugged on the streets. You don’t get bugged on trains. The train is quiet. People are talking. Like last night, there were, like, four old drunk guys got on two stations before mine and just were like, raising holy hell. And that was, like, different than usual. You know our convenience stores, right? Yeah, I guess, you know, have all your products locked behind little gates and bulletproof glass in your convenience stores.

You can walk around drinking most places. There’s a few places where you can’t anymore because they were partying too hard for Halloween, New Year’s, and Shibuya. So now you can’t. But that’s like one part of one city. So, I mean, I think a big part of that is there’s not a lot of Americans in Japan. There’s more and more. We’ve seen, like, a giant influx of foreign tourists, like, since. Because Japan was basically completely closed for two and a half years. And once they opened again, just like. Like, I went to Team Lab Planets, the digital art installation museum, a few months ago.

There were like, no Japanese. I’m in a group of 50 people in Tokyo. Like, nobody was Japanese. There’s one kid who looked Japanese, and he had, like, a King Koopa bowser hat on, so I assumed he was Japanese. Then he started talking in completely fluent English, so. Well, American English if you’re talking accent. Are there any derogatory terms for Americans in Japan? Where’s gaijin for all foreigners? Right. Got wide. That’s a new one to me. Gaijin. Oh, okay. There you go. Gigoko jin means foreigner. And then the. The shortened slang version version is gaijin, so. Or is this just like.

Like a flipping statement? It’s flipping. I think it’s like me calling you a scumbum or something, you know, like, it’s not, like, actually offensive. But, yeah, someone might get offended, but they. Yeah, it’s not like. It’s not like some words where it’s like that. That will instantly offend people. I haven’t heard a single one for Americans. I mean, I’ve heard some. Some ones that English people think are clever, where they just say Amera something like, it sounds like American, but it’s a little bit lower. That’s. But that one’s not even offensive, so there’s not a lot of Yankees names.

That doesn’t offend me either. It sounds fun. Yeah. I mean, I’m from Georgia, so. And I guess there’s Cracker, but that’s just for people in the Southeast, unfortunately. Well, Florida too, if there’s Florida crackers, which are different from what I understand from normal crackers. And before the Atlanta Braves, which is, I guess, a name people want to change now, but before it was the Braves, as the Crackers is the Atlanta Crackers was the old baseball team. That’s kind of fun. Hey, Right. The Chocolate City was home to the crackers. That’s correct, yes. Now, when I heard that as a kid, I was thinking, like, Cracker Jack, because it’s baseball, which I guess.

What was the idea on that name? I assume it’s for the Cracker Jack, but I’m not sure because the 50s were weird. Let me ask you, what. What time of your life did you start caring about a cold or esoteric or weird stuff? Hmm. So I’ve always been like, psychedelic madness, you know, even as a teenager, like. Like as a teenager who didn’t drink, do drugs or anything, I still love psychedelic madness, psychedelic music, weird movies. As far as actually getting into a caught stuff, a little more hardcore. Just before this recording, I was talking like, if you live in Japan, you’re not doing any drugs, basically, right? So at some point I find out, like, oh, you got DMT in your pineal gland.

How do you get that out? Like, meditation. And you get into meditation, you start reading stuff about more caught stuff and things like that too. So 2016, I just kind of like explode, all that sort of stuff. You start, you know, reading books about Franklin scandals and stuff too, you know, because you’re just like, hey, what are all these weird perspectives I’ve never heard of before? I would not recommend that as the entry point. That was not the entry point. That was just the first thing that came to mind. Scandal. Yeah, that’s. That would be rough.

Yeah. I was just thinking, as I was speaking, that’s the first scandal that came to mind. That was, I mean, believe it or not, that was actually one of my first big conspiracy things was the Franklin scandal, because for some reason it got suggested and I saw the COVID of it and it was, it has the, the word like Satanism and abuse and Nebasker or something, that word Satanism. And to me all occult and esoteric was basically just Satanism because that was the section of Barnes and Noble that all the kids with the black makeup and like the mesh long sleeve shirts and like the spike collars, they would all congregate around the Anton Levey Satanic Bible.

So I just always assumed that tarot and new age stuff and Satanism and out of body experiences and all of that was just kind of in this one big amorphous blob of Satanism. So when that book came up, I was like, I guess I got to start somewhere. This is probably some, something around that area. And oh man, I was so wrong. But it also allowed me to like start on the deep end and then work my way backwards from that. It’s still one of the darkest stories. I don’t even recommend it as much anymore because I realize that it only goes into more madness.

Yeah, that’s not one of the ones I got into. I’ve honestly never gotten that deep in that one because like you said, it’s kind of like depressing and dark and hey, it’s. I guess it’s just the first that came to mind. The first ones I really got focused on, of course, were musical conspiracies. Right? Like, what were some of the early ones? Oh, I mean, I, I’m, you know, like, Paul is dead. That’s fun stuff. Here’s the thing, one of the things. So you start meditating and you know, I’m reading like, you know, like actual spiritual text too.

And you just like, I don’t believe in anything. Which gives you the freedom to think about anything. Do I believe Paul McCartney’s dead? No. But is it fun to read about people explaining why that might be the case? Do I believe we went to the moon? No. Do I believe we didn’t go to the moon? No. Love. Love hearing everything about it. I love hearing official NASA histories. I love reading like your comic books, you know. Do you believe John Lennon’s dead by this time? Yeah, sure. Do you believe Brian Wilson is dead? Yeah, I mean, like I said he was earlier.

He was. He’s been on the way out for a while. I mean, he did put out an album like two and a half years ago, but that’s A weird thing. I mean, why would you even. Yeah, why would you even want to fake an 82 year old man with dementia’s death? That’s a good question, I guess. But in the conspiracy world, man, that is the name of the game. There’s no age cutoff in which someone can still question whether someone died or not. You know, Joe Biden could live till he’s 120 and then die. And someone would be like, I bet he’s not really dead.

That’s a body double. It’s like, dude, how long, how long is he supposed to live for? I mean, I want to. I’ll give you more juice on the. Hey, John Lennon, like, I’d love to hear about that, but let’s take Brian Wilson. Like, yeah, he was sick through most of his life. He’s been especially sick the past two years. Doesn’t read like conspiracy John Lennon. Yeah, we can go all day on that. And that’s not what we’re here to do today, but you certainly could. Well, Beatles has the Aleister Crowley connection and that usually opens it up.

And then of course the Paul is dead and the album cover is. Is that definitively supposed to be him, you know, dead on the, the lobby road? No, but Paul McCarty’s explanation to why he was not wearing shoes is very bizarre. Have you heard the explanation? No. What was his explanation? He was like, it was a very hot day. It was summer, so the road was very hot. So I took off my sandals. I’m like, what? Which is the opposite of what you would do if the road was hot. Yeah, that’s. Honestly, for me, that’s like almost like one of the biggest things that makes me almost wonder, hey, is there some truth to this? You know what I also like, there are various versions of the theory, of course.

There’s one where Paul McCartney is horribly disfigured and doesn’t die, so they get a proxy to basically be him for decades. The part of that theory has Paul McCartney actually coming back and like becoming Paul McCartney again in the mid aughts. And if you go from that time, if you think in the 90s, Beatles Anthology, it’s kind of puffy, middle aged Paul McCartney. And then about 2005, six, he’s, he looks a little different. I mean, he lost a lot of weight too, but. So the Christmas song is, is also the fake McCartney in this theory. Well, in this theory, McCartney would actually still be writing most of this music, but the face guy would be different because Paul himself was, you know, like horribly injured.

For some time. That’s variant theory. There’s variant theories here. So I needed you to get me caught up on all the Beatles stuff. But even more important, since you are a self proclaimed Beach Boy savant. Or is it. Or is it just Brian Wilson? Oh no, no. I could go all days on, on the Beach Boys. So I guess I should. Well, first sell me on the Beach Boys. Let’s just say that I heard it in the car once and I know what it is obviously because it’s in like every retro surf shop that you’ll ever enter.

But sell me on why I should actually go and listen to a Beach Boys album start to finish this week. Pet Sounds is correct. You put in the title here. It’s, it’s pretty much, I think correctly considered one of the, the best albums of all time. When I was more into psychedelic experimentation. I do remember there’s another Sunshine Pop that’s kind of a variant. You know, the Beach Boys have surf, surf, rock, sunshine Pop. And I remember listening to other Sunshine Pop and thinking that would kind of be cool with psychedelic experimentation. Somehow Pet Sounds broke through.

It doesn’t seem that psychedelic, but all the layers there because the surf stuff’s fine. That’s 1962 to 1964, five or so fun stuff, good stuff at that point that’s when Brian goes a little nutty, stops touring with the band completely starts making. Spending all of his time in the studio, you know, making these dense arrangements. And Pet Sounds is kind of the culmination. That smile too. But we’ll talk about smile because that’s, that’s a weird one. Well, I want to, I want to talk to you about the breakdown that you’re talking about. Are there any theories on what caused that breakdown? If there was like a specific catalyst or event or anything.

Here’s one of the weird things about the Brian Wilson story, like talking about him being traumatized, programmed, all that sort of stuff. It’s not even a conspiracy. That’s like people are like, you know, we heard that you got abuse from your dad, you know, and it interview thing. This is probably around 2000 where there’s an interview and it’s, it’s kind of one of those like 60 minute things where it’s like, tell us where usually the person is trained for the media and they start talking about, yeah, yeah, my father is very complicated person, you know, like, like I loved him but there were times when he.

Blah, blah. That’s the normal answer, right? So they asked him this question in an interview. He’s just like, yeah, my dad used to beat the out of us. And that was his answer. Finished. I mean, there’s like weird like he had a fake. The Murray Wilson. The father. Yeah, he used to be the alum. And he. Brian Wilson was deaf in one year. One theory to that is that dad whacked him on the head too hard when he was like 5 years old. So for the better. Well, he did pretty well with one ear, didn’t he? But.

And that’s, you know, like all the Beach Boy stuff’s in mono because why would he mix in stereo? If anything is one working ear, you know, why Are there any stories about his dad? Any crazy like, did he come from a satanic coven? No, but he was a California guy, I think metal work. He was a failed musician. He wanted to be a musician. Being in metal work, he would lost an eye. Apparently another way he traumatized his kids is when they are bad, he’d take out his fake eye and make them look into the gaping hole in his head.

That’s weird. I mean, if you want something that’s weird, you know, you don’t clean your room, you got to stare into the eye cavity for like 10 minutes straight. Yes, stare into my eye cavity. So, you know, things like that. And then he is their manager for the first couple years. Like, as a failed musician is like, okay, you boys, I. I guess we’re running doing this for a few years. He ended up selling their musical catalog without telling them. Just because he’s like, surf music’s not going to last. And he was fired as the manager by Brian Wilson in a screaming match when he was trying to, you know.

Too many arguments in the studio, son, you gotta do it this way. He’s like, get out eventually. And then shortly after that has breakdown. Right? So he kicked that out of the studio. He start. He’s starting to do a little drugs. He is mentally ill. From the mid-60s on, he had like voices in his head telling him, you know, to die and stuff. So apparently is is what they say, at least. Is this the claims about the voices? Is this something that he admitted in like an interview or a book or something? No, this is like half the story of his life.

I mean, he’s in, you know, famously like, like the Bare Naked lady song. He’s staying in his room for years in the 70s. He’s got again, not a conspiracy theory spends what, 10 years? Or maybe not quite that long. But for many years, he’s under the auspices of Dr. Eugene Landy. They hired the Guy who is basically like his full on handler. You know, like here is your daily schedule. You don’t talk to your family unless I’m on the call with you. You know, all that sort of stuff. So. Well, so I’ve seen a couple documentaries.

Then there was even like a theatrical movie that kind of focuses on the relationship between Brian Wilson and Landy. And in, in those interpretations they show him as creating the isolation and separating him from everyone else just so that he could more easily fleece Brian out of all of his money and kind of swindle him. But I have also heard implications, but no really detailed stories about Landy being a legitimate handler. Like an actual CIA, MK Ultra or some other group that wanted to have a say in pop culture and saw that this was a way in.

Is there like, was he just a con artist or do you think that there was more to it? Well, I would say he was a real handler in any sense. The word. Was he actually working in the CIA? That’s, you know, that’s up for grabs. Right, but is he a handler doing handler stuff? That’s 100%. He had. He. In 1991, you know, there was a court restraining order so he couldn’t handle anymore after that point. He’s married. Hey, is that lady a handler? I don’t know. You know, just you, you change your handlers at some point.

Well, I guess there’s a couple definitions of a handler because in some cases a handler is a expected part of a job. If I’m, if I’m a CIA out in the field, I would actually expect to have a handler and we would have like a two way or we do. I’ll just, I’ll just put it out there. I am a CIA agent. I do have a handler. We have a two way relationship where I realize that I’m being handled, but it’s almost like having a business manager or something that kind of takes care of you. But then there’s also a version of a handler in which it’s unwittingly done where Brian Wilson doesn’t realize he’s being handled.

He thinks he’s just got a manager, but he’s got a manager. Plus plus plus extra platinum VIP package DLC plan. Right. And he doesn’t realize this. Did like do you think Brian like asked for the handling or that someone else put like impose the handling on Brian or, or was this just. He got unlucky and ran across Dr. Eugene Landy and Landy just happened to be very hands on. They know his brothers Put him with landy in the 70s for a couple of years and then cut it off because I don’t think he was as extreme then.

But he’s still a little bit like he was asking for more money. If nothing else then I think Mike Love’s brother was actually basically like, handling Brian Wilson for a few years because he was very mentally ill. Right. Like, he kind, like, just even as a person, just needed someone kind of looking after him. And then in the 80s, he’s, you know, grown to like £300. He’s barely functional. He. I think he shows up at a few Beach Boys concerts, sits at the piano and does, like, nothing because he doesn’t play with the beach boys much after 1965 on stage, but.

And then they rehire the brothers, rehire Landy within a few years, kind of realize, crap, that was a mistake, and we can’t actually access her brother anymore. This is like Britney Spears conservatorship. Yeah. I mean, apparently one of the reasons he’s not on, you know, the. The hit song Kokomo is because they just couldn’t get a hold of him. Was answering his phone. Yeah. When answering his phone that day, I was like, let’s record. You know, I mean, that. That’s always a weird song. And that’s like. It’s like. That’s a weird song. Okay. But. Well, aside from Brian, I guess.

And I’ve seen, like, the. The movies and I heard about the breakdown and he goes into isolation. And he’s also like, a musical genius when it comes to mixing and composition, arrangement innovative. But Dennis is always the more interesting Wilson just because of how, you know, connected he is to the Mansons. So, like, where does Dennis fit into all this? Are you as savant about Dennis? Yeah. If anyone wants to do some Dennis, he only put out one proper album, which is called Pacific Ocean Blue. It’s really good. It’s really weird. And mo. Like, it’s not what you expect because he was the surfer of the band.

He was the only one of the Beach Boys that surfed. I guess he was. He was the middle brother, the rebellious brother, basically. He was the one that would, you know, very quickly tell Murray Wilson to off and get hit harder, but then leave the house and surf, so. And then go chill with Charlie. And then go chill with Charlie. Well, that. That’s, you know, him picking up hitchhikers, apparently. You know, he’s. He’s that weird, prickly guy, but at the same time, you know, apparently, like, just make people with him give money to homeless people, stuff like that.

So of course, he’s picking up hitchhikers, too. And he happened to pick up a couple Manson girls, and they’re like, hey, you got to meet our friend. And then, you know, his friend moved in and took over his house for a while. And I guess he figured out. I. I don’t remember. I think he just moved and that might. I don’t think he kicked him out. I think he just moved. Well, yeah, so. So you mentioned that Manson just moved in and kind of took over. In addition to that, Dennis Wilson started to, like, publicly mimic a lot of the things that Charles Manson would say.

Charles Manson had a quote that goes something like, total paranoia is total consciousness, which I. I use on some of my end screens, because it’s, like, perfect. And Dennis Wilson used to say very similar stuff about, like, total truth is total fear or. Or some other variation of that. So it. It sounds almost as if he was a student to Charles Manson’s kind of, like, mentorship or that Charles Manson was this sort of guru and that Dennis Wilson was studying under him. Is that. Is there anything real to that? Like, obviously, there’s a. There was a honeymoon period where a lot of that would have, like, slipped in.

And I think it was, like, to the point where they’re like, okay, now you need to become part of the family, is where he’s like, maybe not. Of course, Manson was notoriously very angry, murderously angry against Terry Melcher, producer Terry Melcher. And I guess the Beach Boys song came out probably about November, about the time of the murder. So I guess it wasn’t for Wilson, but I’m sure he was very unhappy with Dennis Wilson, because on the album 2020, there’s a song called Never Learn not to Love, which is just. It ceased to exist. It’s like, no changes.

And the name on it’s Dennis Wilson, which especially late. Well, see, they should have put Manson’s name on. It was. I think it was, like, summer 69, so you could still put his name on. I think they don’t get caught till November. Is it? Right? They don’t get apprehended till November. I wish Manson’s name was on the Beach Boys album. Well, my understanding. Which is probably flawed, but. And this came from not the Chaos book, but the Chaos documentary, which apparently, you know, it’s like 1% of the book, but the documentary they mentioned that part of this arrangement was that Manson had a legitimately decent song.

And they saw this bumpkin guy that, you know, this. This rube that had no idea how the music industry worked. And he was desperately trying to break into the music industry, and they just saw a really easy way to just take credit and get all the payment and not have to pay Manson any royalties, because I believe they actually purchased it from him. Like, he actually got paid for it. But it was a very irregular deal where almost everyone was already in the trend of getting credits in order to get royalties as the song continued to play and get sold around.

But in this case, they just outright bought the song from Manson. And I guess at the time he’s like, oh, yeah, great. You know, but then when he realizes that that’s not how the industry typically works. So I wonder, did. Did they do that to take advantage? Did they do that because they already knew Charles Manson was, like, problematic? It. It doesn’t make sense why it even got that far, because Brian Wilson must have known that it came from Charles Manson. Dennis Wilson obviously knew that it came from Charles Manson, so why not give him credit? Is the only answer Just greedy.

I also kind of bombed his audition, apparently. Like, he. He did a couple demo sessions. You can hear the stuff on YouTube, by the way. You can listen to Charlie sing to you, which I’m guessing you probably have. But. Yeah, what’s the one? Like, get your game girl or like, you’ve got game girl. Not. Not a bad song. I mean, here’s. He wrote several other songs that are not bad, but they. They brought him into Brian Wilson’s house because since Brian did not want to leave his house, they built a little studio in his Bel Air house.

And I don’t. I think Brian was in his room. He didn’t actually come down to hang with Manson, but, you know, Carl, Dennis, maybe. Maybe a few other Beach Boys were hanging out, and, you know, he just surly. You know, they’re like, hey, could you, like, maybe try this? You don’t tell me what to do. It’s my song. You know, he’s like, kind of being so much like that. They’re probably like, they might have already bought the song by that point. So they’re trying to do him a favor and then realizing we. This guy is not going to work in a studio.

One of the stories is that after this big falling out, that Manson handed Dennis a bullet and kind of walked away. And this was his way of saying, hey, friend, friendship over. I assume. I assume that if someone hands you a bullet and they’re angry, that’s kind of what that means, is like, we’re not cool anymore. Is that A true story that you’ve heard before too, or is that like, just one of these rumors? I think I’ve heard that before. Maybe in the Chaos book. I read that maybe. When did it come out? I read it, like, not too long after it came out, so.

Well, 20 years of research, I think. I think it came out, like, in the last 10 years. Yeah, yeah. So it’s been a little while since I read it, but yeah, definitely. Definitely a good read on that. So. So there’s also connections with Charles Manson and other musicians and other. Like you mentioned Terry Melcher, and Terry Melcher was a connective tissue between, like, Peter Fonda and Neil diamond and Nancy Sinatra. And so it almost seems that Manson, through Wilson and through Melcher, he. He did have access to, like, potentially becoming big. And another one of the things, I think this is from the Chaos series.

They mentioned that everyone kind of realized that he had something about him, but it just wasn’t marketable. It wasn’t something that made sense in any of the. The traditional, like, oh, just give him a guitar, just put him in front of the microphone. Like, he didn’t have the right energy for any of those specific things, but he still had that it factor. And maybe the it factor was just being a serial killer, like a. A mind control master. Right. And they just didn’t realize it. Yeah. If he had allowed himself to be a little more malleable in studio, who knows what would have happened? We would have had a happier guy, maybe wouldn’t have ordered, you know, his family go murder some people once the.

Once, you know, the. The Manson is main. His main cronies are in prison. The rest of the family actually records one or two albums of his songs which are more listenable because it’s not just someone like sitting with a guitar playing in variable time signatures. You know, it’s a little more constructed. There was another connection between Dennis Wilson and Charles Manson, and that’s the Dennis Wilson. In addition, I guess you just said that he met Manson through picking up Manson’s girls as they were hitchhiking. They’re like, oh, you got to meet this guy. But throughout the rest of their relationship, I guess that Dennis Wilson somehow became the guy that would drive the Manson girls to the Free Height Ashbury clinic for their STD tests and that this clinic was the exact same place that Charles Manson was allegedly being handled himself.

This is where his CIA handler was there as parole officer to. To check in on him. Happened to also be at this. This free clinic. And that anytime he would get in trouble, he’d have to go to this clinic. And then they would basically just write it off. He never. He would violate parole. He would never go back to jail. So this one clinic both has a reason there. Dennis Wilson is constantly going back. And a separate reason in which Charles Manson is going back and his girls are going back. I mean, you know, it’s like.

Well, now in the 60s, like, what is the infrastructure of Hollywood? You know, we don’t really know. You know, you were talking about songwriting credits. Jan and Dean. There’s another very strange story. And I was reading a book about before Manson. It was like the, you know, 58 to 65 or something of the California music scene, kind of starting the surf rock and the Beach Boys and Jan. Dean and like, Jan would just like, give songwriter credits out as, like, favors. You know, maybe they had nothing to do with the song. You just give it out as a favor.

And then he’s. He writes Dead Man’s Curve and then basically permanently destroys himself on the Dead Man’s Curve. That’s weird stuff. That’s almost like some coded thing like you screwed up so you’re gonna live the fate of your song. He was also an insane driver, so I guess it makes sense. But I want to get into Smile too, in a second. I just. I got a bunch of different notes that I gleamed from Tracy Twyman’s Minnie Mouse presentation because she gets pretty deep into the Wilson stuff. So, like, for example, she was mentioning that in addition to Dennis Wilson and Terry Melcher, and the.

Terry Melcher was the son of an actress, Doris Day. So that’s where he kind of got his. Into the whole Holly world and music world. We mentioned Neil Diamond, Nancy Sinatra, Peter Lavenda, who writes Sinister Forces. He also mentioned the. Deanna Martin, you know, Dean Martin’s daughter, Peter Falk, Jane Fonda, also one of the members of Charles Manson’s cult. One of the early members was Angela Lansbury’s daughter, the Murder She Wrote lady. This is interesting that how many high society, like media icons and media icon relatives got swept up into this fold? So, I mean, part of me wonders and I’m wondering what you think about this.

That was Dennis Wilson happening across Charlie’s girls Just a total coincidence or could they have been like a honey pot? Could they have, like, been fishing for Dennis Wilson or someone like a Dennis Wilson? Someone like they yo were 100% honey potting. They were. You know, you send the girls out to. To sway some folks into the family, right? Especially rich guys who can you live in their house for a few months, that sort of thing. So they, they really did they. Yeah, they get their hand right in that honey pot. But yes, they were for sure doing that.

You know, they were dumpster diving as well. That’s just, that’s how it works. As far as the other people you’re mentioning, I just read a book and it’s not a conspiracy book or anything, but it’s called Hollywood Eden by Joel Sullivan, which, you know, has Nancy Sinatra and Terry Melcher and all these people, like, because they all went to the same high school. The Beach Boys were lived in Hawthorne, which is, I guess, kind of south, a little south of the city. I’ve never been to la, but I’ve stared at maps a lot. You know, Hollywood’s a little north of downtown, so the Beach Boys are in a much more like blue collar area where a lot of the people you’re mentioning, yeah, they’re Hollywood royalty.

They’re actually going to the same high school, you know, so who knows what, what’s going on at high school. It could be like a intense government, you know, CIA program controlling these kids. It could just be a principal with a plan, you know, but there’s definitely some level, yeah, we need to do a full, like a deep dive on the principles of these high schools where these kids were coming from. Has anyone done that? I’m just saying it could be macro level, could be micro level. But, you know, obviously something’s going on with these kids. Right.

Like you’re trying to exert some level of control and how they act. Right. Because that’s kind. If it’s the principal, it’s literally kind of your job. Right. Well, and aside from the principles, another person that seemed to have had a huge influence in at least Dennis Wilson’s life and Charles Manson, another one of these, like, connective tissues was Terry Melcher and that he was the record producer friend to Dennis that was kind of putting some of those connections together. And he also. This is, this is part of the story from Tracy Twyman was that Charles Manson, and I assume from chaos too, Charles Manson felt miffed because of the issue with the song and the Beach Boys and with Dennis Wilson and therefore by proxy with Terry Melcher, because Melcher was like the actual producer that was kind of like helping all this happen and that Manson sent his people after Melcher, but Melcher had leased his house to Tayton Polanski and that.

That’s the only reason. I don’t know how much I believe this, but that that was the reason that the tragedy became, you know, around the Tate murders and not the Melcher murders. It was just because no one gave Charlie the heads up. Oh, by the way, Terry moved and now these new people are in here. It. That part is. Is high, sort of like, you know, speculation. But see, I believe that because it’s so stupid. He didn’t send people to Dennis’s house because obviously he didn’t know where Dennis lived because Dennis moved out of the house they took from him.

Basically. You don’t leave a forwarding address in that case, you know. And then. Well, there’s also a connection that apparently Melcher was being courted by the Process Church, which has some, some murky ties to Manson perhaps. But the, the ultimately I’m wondering if Melcher is dabbling in the Process Church and Manson is tangential. The Process Church. Is Dennis Wilson somehow dabbling in Satanism and Process Church type stuff too? It. I would assume so. I’m assuming that he’s. He’s friends and deeply involved with Terry Melcher. So it’s not like it would be a complete shock. Like, oh my God, I know Terry was into that.

Seems like something he would know. It’s LA in the late 60s. It’s hip. I mean, I guess everyone’s into it. Yeah. Like I think you have the argument that the Satanic Panic’s been going on for centuries, but the version that, you know, the, the pop culture version is from the 80s, so the late 60s, you know, it’s like Anton Lavey, the Kenneth Anger films, you know. And also there’s this connection with Bobby Bousel, who was also in a band, I think it was called Love and that he ended up being another one of Charlie’s sort of like little cult members that actually has some bodies on him.

I think he’s in prison still. Yes. I don’t think he recorded with Love, but he was with him early on actually. Did he in the band. And then they. The band became Love. But I don’t think he followed the band. No, he’s actually made albums from prison. I know he made a soundtrack for Kenneth Andinger’s Luciferizing from prison. He would. Yeah. And actually he’s a much better musician than Manson. It’s a pretty listenable soundtrack. It’s better than the Jimmy Page version. You also played Cupid in the movie Mondo Hollywood, which was also called Hippie Hollywood. Acid blasting freaks.

I don’t know if you’ve ever seen this one. Oh no, I think, Geez, send me A link for that. That sounds like something that you would enjoy watching. I’ll respond with psyched by the 40 witch. Ever seen that one? No. Okay. There’s some madness that involves satanic sexual witchcraft. So what else? So there was another guy named Gary Hindman who was also friends with both Dennis Wilson and Bussole. So like they had this little click as well. Like Wilson’s now connected to Bousel in this way. And Bouselay was in another movie called Ramrodder with one of the Manson girls named Gypsy.

And then I guess he also was involved in like building some kind of set design or whatever. But essentially it ties this picture that Bussoleil and Wilson and Melcher and Manson, they might not have all been like friends just because they all work with each other in terms, but they were all one degree of separation away from each other. Yeah, I mean, the thing is, the LA at the time was basically like a bunch of small communities. So even though it’s a big city, it’s like little capsules, you know. So in that scene, like I, I, as I mentioned earlier, I just covered the Twilight Zone.

When you go over the guest stars and stuff, you’re like, there’s only like a hundred character actors in Hollywood in the 60s. It feels like there’s not actually that many people, you know, like, hey, all this music, I mean, the bands rarely play on these recordings. It’s the Wrecking Crew. It’s the Same group of 30 musicians playing on everything. Yeah, very good point. Why is Pet Sounds Good? Because the Beach Boys don’t play on it for the most part. I think Carl Wilson plays like one guitar part and Dennis Wilson plays a tambourine. And that’s about it.

Another one of those weird epicenters where just a whole bunch of names and people revolve around. Again, it goes back to that, that Free Clinic and the Free Clinic, this is from some more of the notes. Was that the original manager of the Dead, when they were still called the Warlocks, he was Courtney Love’s father and he formed his own music group. And that group was called LSD Rescue, which later becomes the Haight Ashbury Free Clinic. Like, so the, the clinic itself started as an LSD themed kind of band. And then one of the guys that, that works at this, this Bel Clinic, he basically claimed that Manson and Dennis Wilson and the girls were the most regular visitors of the entire place.

So now you’ve got Dennis Wilson, like one of the Beach Boys, directly linked to Manson through this exact same like, hub where again Courtney Love’s father is like somehow the original. Like it. It’s just this one big incestuous group where all of the different acts seem to come out of. See, I could see Murray Wilson very much being like part of the program, maybe as a blue collar guy being like, hey, I can do, I can put my kids in this program that the, the rich Hollywood kids are doing and maybe it’ll make something of them, which I guess turned out right.

All their lives were weird. But, you know, I, I could certainly see that, like, take most of LA bands, I mean, you know, weird scenes inside the Gold Mine book. Do you remember the author on that? I don’t want to cite his name, but, you know, he’s putting out the theory. Like, you look at most bands and you can like spot the guy that’s probably kind of the CIA guy. You know, you look at Buffalo Springfield, who they point out there. I think it’s usually Stephen Stills, the Birds, you know, David Crosby. You could start all day on that guy.

Right? The, the Dead. I mean, I, I guess Garcia usually gets settled. I would say Garcia is pretty talented because usually the guy that has that isn’t necessarily the most talented guy in the band. Right, because they need the talent and they need a guy who can like kind of hack it. But it’s also part of the program. So one of the, the ways to explain some of this away is that a lot of the CIA and military connections and, hey, Ashbury and Laurel Canyon was just that everyone’s dad at that point had probably been drafted into one war or another.

So it would have been more rare to find someone whose parents didn’t have some kind of a military background versus ones that that did. Right. And that, that’s the reason why some, like even Frank Zappa, like his dad was in, I think, like military intelligence, along with a long other, you know, Jim Morrison grew up on military bases. Jim Morrison too. Daddy started the freaking Vietnam War, basically. Duncan. Yeah, exactly. But again, it’s, it’s, it’s weird how it’s this small little group, or at least it fits under a very specific archetype with either a military background or I guess a background that comes from the process.

Church and Satanism. It’s like one of those two things. I mean, that’s, that’s a. I had a rejoinder once just on that, because I was talking to a friend, I was like, well, what if I look at my background? I’m like, let’s see, my grandfather was a, an army surgeon in World War II, my family’s been in America for, you know, hundreds of years, blah, blah. I don’t know. I think I had more of a hook when I. When I had this going, but I was like, how many. How many weird details can I get from my family’s history and make it sound like something’s going on? I don’t know how many Satanists you got in your.

In your family tree? I mean, I want to be a kale Satan, but I. I should take your question more seriously. Don’t know. I don’t know my cousins to speak of. So they could all be into Satan for all I know. We’re talking about outwardly part of large group. And not just that, but there’s also this. This line between what Manson was getting into and I’m gonna group Dennis Wilson in. Because it does seem like for at least a significant amount of time, Dennis Wilson and Charles Manson were two peas in a pod. So 1967, 1968, Manson was very much keyed just to be a totally bizarro pop culture guy.

Right. The key turns in 69, right? That’s when things get dark. I mean, probably. I mean, hey, maybe 67, 68. Living with Manson was hippie heaven. I don’t know. It’s. But in 69, once he’s got you, you know, running through the. The brush outside of Spawn Ranch with, you know, guns and rolling and dune buggies in the Death Valley. That doesn’t sound fun. So is Brian Wilson checked out during this time? Is he ever hanging out with Charles Manson and Dennis? I don’t. Like I said, it sounds like he stayed in his room when Manson came over to record.

So there’s plenty of people he could put with Brian Wilson because he, you know, he became hippie royalty hanging out with all the acid heads in 66, 67, for sure, you know, he definitely came across a group of people that, you know, changed him. Is the most satanic Beach Boys song the one that was originally Charles Manson’s, or do you think they have an even more evil song that’s got, like, hidden messages in it? Well, if you had asked Brian Wilson, he’d go just to start breaking into Smile. There’s the fire music. This is o’ Leary’s Cow, which, during the recording session, he made everyone.

The entire Wrecking Crew were like fire helmets or whatever they did the song, which is. It’s kind of cool. It’s really freaky. I mean, it sounds like fireman helmets. Yeah, yeah. So everyone had to wear fireman helmet. And then Within a day or two, like, a few fires broke out around the studio, and he freaked out. And for years, for probably, like, three decades, the story was he destroyed the tapes after that, which it turned out he hid the tapes because you can listen to it. But, yeah, it was like he freaked out at the fires that were caused by the fire.

So he kind of decided his own song was satanic in that case, I guess. Okay, well, let’s talk about Smiles some more. So where. Where does Smile fit into this? I. I gotta move the ball back a little bit. They’re making all the surf rock. So in 65, end of 64, Brian Wilson has a breakdown. He quits playing with the band live. He rarely shows up with the Beach Boys live after that. The songs become more innate. You start getting stuff like California Girls, where you have that opening orchestral intro that has nothing to do with the rest of the song in a good way.

You know, this starts. This builds up the Pet Sounds where you got these massive productions with layers of sound and then there’s Good Vibrations. Started to get recorded during the Pet Sound sessions, finished after, and, you know, cost a ton of money. It’s like the most expensive single ever recorded up to that point. It takes, like, six months. These uses, like, multiple studios, blah, blah, blah. It’s recorded modularly where, like, here’s 30 seconds of music. Here’s 30 seconds of music here. Let’s edit it all together. So he calls them a mini symphony. It’s like, what if I do a whole album that way? So he starts just recording little snippets of music, you know, and whenever the Beach Boys come back, they’re kind of like various.

Various versions of like, what the hell are you doing? Can you explain this to me a little bit more? What do you mean? When they’re. He’s stitching, like, he’s got 30 seconds of the entire song, but then he’s, like, shifting around like he’s got samples that he’s patching together or. Yes. It’s kind of like he’s taking samples and trying to stitch them together on analog tape. In 1966 and 1967, Smile comes out like. Like his solo band helps him finish smile in 2004. And there is a Beach Boys version of Smile that comes out based that.

In 2011, the key was in the early 2000s, his band was like, hey, what if we take all the sections you made and just put them into Pro Tools? It’s much easier that way to sequence this stuff. So he’s dry. I Mean, he’s taking plenty of lsd, smoking plenty of weed and driving himself mad with self doubt, voice of his head and just trying to do this thing that. This engineering job that’s basically impossible. I mean that alone means Smile really wasn’t going to come out in 1967. Yeah, I mean, well, the digital tools completely change that because then you can just like automatically sync the different clips together.

So he was literally putting it together. Like a film producer would edit, you know, film clips together. Correct. Which doing it basically by itself on audio tape, which is. I mean you’re not on an editing day, you’re just having to splice the tape and stitch it together and stuff like that, you know, there was a group that specialized in doing this, although I think they were, they came afterwards. I think this was 80s 90s called Beatles Arter Noise too. Classic song. Have you heard of the tape Beatles before? I haven’t heard of them. What A Mission of Burma.

They had a tape guy. Do you know Mission of Burma? Sorry, I’m not familiar. Okay. They’re just, they’re a three piece, real loud, you know, post punk. And then they had a fourth guy who would sit down, he’d be their sound man. So he’d do the sound, but he’d also, at the beginning of the songs, he’d start like recording bits of guitar, bits of the bass, bits of the drums. As the song went on, he’d like speed them up, reverse them. And so they’re playing this punk song. Then as the song goes on, you hear stuff like that.

So it’s pretty cool stuff. But. But that’s, that’s on the fly stuff, you know, this is like I have with Smile. It’s like I have hired 30 musicians on, you know, scale or more I on this top of flight studio. And so he’s hemorrhaging money doing this. And when someone’s like play us a song, he’s like, here’s 30 seconds of music with no vocals. Here’s another 30 seconds of music with no vocals. So it’s like, what the hell is this, dude? Meanwhile you’re putting fire helmets on people and you know, doing dumb stuff in the studio because you’re tripping.

I don’t think he’s. He says he wasn’t tripping in the studio, but hey, anyone would, right? Is there a correct order to listen to the Beach Boys albums is just chronologically or are there like certain ways that you’re supposed to listen to them? I mean, one, it’s like, do you want Fun surf rockin hits or do you want this weird chamber pop orchestral stuff you want? Or do you want the late 60s when Brian’s kind of involved, but kind of not involved so the other members are doing more music. It’s. And it actually makes it kind of more experimental and weird in a way.

In some of those late 60s Beach Boy albums, that’s how you get a Charles Manson song on there. Right? Because it’s getting more experimental and weird. But not as. That’s when Dennis lets out all his friends start playing around in the studio. No, Dennis starts getting a song or two on the album and actually his are often the standout songs along with, you know, the one or two songs Brian is willing to show up and do for those albums. What’s the worst Brian Wilson song? Smart Girls. Look it up on YouTube. He raps it’s oh, you will hate, hate, hate smart girls.

No one likes smart girls. You know what? Wait two weeks. Let’s give the man a few weeks to rest in peace and then listen to Smart Girls. What’s the worst Beach Boys song? Smart Girls. Although that’s Brian Wilson’s solo, so maybe it doesn’t count. What is the worst Beach Boys song? Student Demonstration Time, which is Mike Love trying to take a 50s rock song and like pump it up and make it about student demonstrations. And it’s just. It makes you face Palm yourself. There’s a lot. Here’s the thing, the fun about the beach, the Beatles almost always good.

I mean, you might like one song a little less. I don’t love Maxwell Silver Hammer, you know, I don’t hate it. It’s fine. It’s on the white. See, someone can like it. It’s fine. I like you know my Name. Look up the number. I like Revolution Number nine. I think Revolution Number nine is fun to listen to the beach. The Beatles are very consistent. I always like to say the Beach Boys have higher highs and way lower lows. The Beach Boys made some of the worst pop music you will ever hear. And they also made the best pop music.

Not some of the, just the best pop music you ever hear. This is go. This is tapping back into when I was growing up and hearing Beach Boys. But, but even as a, as a kid I remember thinking, without being able to phrase it this way, that Beach Boys, some of the Beach Boys music was annoyingly optimistic in a way that a lot of other music really wasn’t. Is that. Was that just part of the surf rock genre in general or was there something about the Beach Boys in Particular that that would make sense for. That’s correct.

But the melancholy slips in very quickly. And that’s the thing by Pet Sounds. There’s not a surf song on Pet Sounds. That’s all melancholic. It’s. Even when it’s optimistic, the bass is hitting like a. You know, that’s part of the arrangements. When it’s optimistic, you still believe in me. The bass is hitting a unsure note, you know, like that’s not quite in the right key. So it still has that unsettling thing. Their second album, Surfing usa Surfing. You okay? That’s pretty optimistic. It’s got the lonely sea on it, which is like this depressing, you know, like surf ballad.

In My Room is on the third album. You know, the melancholia slips in and really grows into Pet Sounds. And then Smile, I guess, was him. Have some fun now, you know. And. And there’s a few. Cabin essence gets preacher. We surf’s up. Is extremely melancholic on Smile. So it’s, it’s. But Smile is more fun. Right? And weird. What are some other like, weird Brian Wilson or Beach Boys tangents that we haven’t gone on yet? Oh, geez. Full House. Their full house appearances in John Stamos. You want to talk about that? That’s fun. No, the whole beat.

The All Beach Boys. The Brian make it too, in the late 80s. So here’s the thing. The Beach Boys, Dennis dies in 83. Supposedly jumped drowning because he was looking for photos off of his boat, which I don’t know. That’s a weird story. Who knows what happened there? Maybe Mike Love put a hit on him for all I know. But yeah, they’re. They’re getting old. They’re middle aged or whatever in the mid-80s. And they see this cool guy and they’re like, maybe you could drum a bit for us. John Stamus is there to be the cool Dennis now because Dennis is dead.

So we got this very attractive. And then he. And then Full House takes off. Right. So he’s also a star now. So he’s in the Kokomo video, by the way. Are you saying that John Stamos was a Satanist? Well, he’s a beach boy. He might have been Satanist too. He was at least a beach boy. Dennis Wilson falls out, drowns. Same way that Colby. CIA director drowned. They took Colby in the middle of the pond. Colby and Dennis were riffing on guitar and they just fell off of a boat. But so then John Stamos immediately fills in.

He fills the Gap and is now the. I mean, the guy that used to be the connective tissue between Charles Manson and Melcher is now John Stamos. Right. That’s a. That’s an accurate statement. He’s never like a full member of the band, but you can find videos in like the past year of him playing with Mike Love’s Beach Boys. So he makes plays with Mike Love. But yeah, as a. Returning the favor. The entire Beach Boys show up to say hi to Becky. I don’t remember the names of people. There’s a Becky in Full House Little.

The. The Olsens were still too young. I think his first season. Anyway, the whole beach voice, Brian included, shows up. If you look at the clip too. At this point, Brian was fully under Landry’s handling and he was looking slim and trim. But he also has this look like. Like one of the most possessed faces you’ll ever see as he’s standing there not knowing what the hell is going on. And while why they are there. So, yeah, they shipped him over for the day to be. To be with Beach Boys for this. For this video or this episode.

And other Beach Boys show up in later episodes. I think Mike Love shows up like three times because he’s apparently becomes John Stamos’s BFF or whatever. So. So that’s like Dennis and Manson. Like, it works out. You know, Mike Love and John Stamos. It works out. Did the Beach Boys ever star on Family Matter? Not quite. There’s the. Just to reference our cult Disney, there is a crossover TGI Friday, whatever they called it, where all the shows go to Disney World. So there’s a scene of Family Matters of like, where am I going with it Anyway? There’s identical scenes.

Like, there’s the same Tower of Terror guy, and that’s the same scene on different sitcoms. So the worlds are tied together. But I don’t think the Beach Boys made it to Family Matters Property. They didn’t hang with Urkel before or. Or what was the other Urkel called? Stefan. Stefan Urkel. Sorry. Thank you for coming up with that. I thought I backed myself into a depressing corner not remembering Stefan. No, I know. I’ve watched that entire series, every episode, at least seven or eight times throughout my life. In fact, I think I’m overdue to rewatch. It is one of the best theme songs ever.

It’s the. The nostalgia of it aside, it is legitimately a great song musically. Like the lyrics, the. The vocals, everything. I forgot who it was. The guy that did it made like Three or four different really memorable themes. I think he also did Perfect Stranger. I’m. I’m probably just making stuff up at this point. Maybe Full House. I don’t know. You have seen the Too Many Cooks video. Yeah, the. The old Adult Swim clip. Yeah, that. I mean, that’s 100 kind of based on those type of. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that’s what I’. Did I answer your last question? Manson had made his way into the industry that he would be making that, but for real, it wouldn’t be an Adult Swim show.

It would just be like, produced by Charles Manson. Did I actually answer your last question? I, as I go on such. Well, I mean, that was perfect. I did not know that. The Beach Boys and Brian Wilson made their way onto Full House. What else you got? Oh, what else do I got? Let’s see. They. They were banned from playing the Fourth of July at lie at Washington D.C. by a chief of staff or something. So they got to play the next year because it caused the controversy. Like, we can’t have any rock and roll on in 1983 on our Capitol lawn because there were hippies or what? You’re just.

Rock and roll was. I think it was just the rock that got him. And then everyone was like, what the hell is rock? We’re not even talking about, like. We’re talking like. Because obviously they’re going to show up and play, you know, the hits, right? That is the thing. Danny McFerrin shows up. They’re like, whoa, guy, it’s a little bit much. They can’t. They can’t handle Banana Phone even, I guess the Beach Boys is one of the more notable band splits as well. So Dennis dies. They. They sub in John Stamos, right? Brian hasn’t been playing them for decades.

So whatever. Brian has a solo career now. He’s. He’s basically out of Beach Boys by the late 80s. So the beach Boys keep doing their thing without Brian, which they’d been doing anyway. Carl dies relatively young, 57. You know, the other Wilson brother, he dies at 97, 98, somewhere around there. And that’s. I think Brian is on record. So I basically assume that’s where the Beach Boys broke up, because at that point you now get the Mike Love show. So Mike Love and Bruce Johnson was. He’s another one of those Hollywood guys. He went to the.

I don’t know if he went to this. That high school, but he was definitely in with, you know, Melcher, Doris Day, Nancy Sinatra, all that sort of stuff. So the sub for Brian was Like very much like from that Hollywood establishment. And he had cut his teeth doing copies of Beach Boy songs, basically. So. So he sticks with Mike Love, like even today. I think if you see the Beach Boys, you’re gonna see an 84 year old Mike Love and 82 year old Bruce Johnson as the only actual Beach Boys on stage. So you got that Al Jardine, some kind of gets phased out of the band and starts doing like Al Jardine and Friends or whatever.

Brian Wilson starts touring on his own and then some point invites Al to come. So Al’s in the band. They invite. In the early 70s, they had hired two South African guys to play drums and guitar. Sail On Sailors sung by one of these South African guys. So he invites one of them back to play. So you always have like these like competing touring versions of the Beach Boys. They get together for a reunion in 2012, put out an album that’s not bad. Not perfect, but not bad. They do a tour that’s somewhat well received. Is there any rap? Is there a rap song on it? No, sorry.

I did have to think for a second, didn’t I? I think Brian learned his lesson almost. He did one of his solos, that lucky old son, he. He tries to do like kind of slam poetry between the songs. And he’s, I mean, as good a singer as Brian Wilson was, he’s not a very good talker, you know. So did he drop words in his rap? Oh, no, he didn’t. No, he didn’t do that. But it’s just like he was saying everything like this, like he’s reading it off the paper, you know, it didn’t sound good. Where are we going? So 2012, this is, this is fun.

So the Beach Boys are back together. Every surviving Beach Boy is on stage. They did an album together near the end of tour. Mike Love’s like, yeah, I’m firing the rest of them and gonna get back to my own touring. Which is because if he tours with the. That version of the Beach Boys, it’s really expensive. Whereas if he uses the version of the Beach Boys he’d been doing for 20 years, he could do state fairs, you know, he can do like anything. Which I get. It makes sense from a business perspective. I see it, you know, he’s like, well, the price of LSD has skyrocketed at this point.

So he can barely even keep Brian on the tour without his, his daily, you know, dietary requirements, I assume. I love to need lsd. He has TM meditation. Mike Love, big TM guy, by the way. Variant with Admirishi when he gave his like really aggressive speech. When the Beach Boys were inducted to the Rock and Roll hall of fame in 1987, he gave a super aggressive speech, like, basically like smack talking the Beatles and the Rolling Stones and stuff. And later it’s like, well, I forgot to meditate that day, so. So maybe he forgot to meditate the day when he fired his cousin from the Beach Boys again.

So yeah, in 2012, I was like, wait a minute, did Brian Wilson just get fired from the Beach Boys? But yeah, he tours a couple more years and yeah, he just gets old, you know, like the touring goes down. 2019 is like, my brain doesn’t work, so I’m gonna put in the tour. He gets out one album of pop music in the mid 2010s, which is not bad. It’s not great. His last album came out about two and a half years ago. It’s him just playing his old songs at a piano, you know, very old man music at that point.

So I guess he faded out a bit, which I don’t know if you’re 83, almost 83, that’s not the worst thing. Are there any songs by the Beach Boys that are claimed to have like secret hidden messages if you play them backwards or anything like this? Not that you got Good Vibrations, though. Like, he says that was his first LSD trip, you know, and his mom telling him about Good Vibrations, kind of in the mystical sense of the way. So. So you got that. You got the TM song. Never there. There is a song I need.

I’ll need to look at a track list for that, like. But no, no, like back cue songs. I mean, if you want to backmask the Beach Boys, who knows? I mean, it is in the, you know, LA studios. Other stuff there probably is backmasking. I feel like that’s kind of a 70s thing more, I mean. Well, the Beatles. Yeah, you can back past the Beatles. What’s your favorite Bassmas? Bass masking. I feel like the Beatles are the gold standard of. Of going backwards. Maybe Black Sabbath, Fetal. Wasn’t there a door song that was. You’re supposed to mask and it was.

Maybe it was Beatles. I don’t. I don’t know. To be honest, man, I never really hear it until someone tells you what they’re saying and then I can hear it. But I’ve also heard plenty of those auditory allusions where you only know what it’s saying if you say it first. And then if you say a completely different phrase, then you hear that one too. So I don’t know. And I. I wonder too, what kind of power does that have? Is there some sort of loophole where God was like, oh, damn, that Satan keeps putting these backwards messages and it’s just ruining everything? I wish I would have written that one into the law book or something.

So I just bumped up my volume here because I’m checking something. There’s something. And maybe it’s like I was playing Never Learn. Not Never Learn. I don’t know if that’s a man. So it’s on the same album. It’s a. All I Want to do, which is. And all he wants to do is have sex. And I. I think there’s some, like, sex noises, like really low within the fade out of the song. So is that all I want to do is zoom a zoom a zoom zoom into boom boom? Yeah, yeah. Something like that. It want to be.

We got into that before, but what are some other songs that. Yeah. I feel like the people don’t. 1. One thing is also the lyrics of the beach boys, like, 90 of the lyrics suck. I mean, Brian Wilson could not write lyrics, save his life. Mike Love would write a lot of lyrics with them. They’d be fine. But they’d be kind of like just you. You know what I’m talking about. I mean, the general Beach Boys. This is why they’re stealing from Charles Manson, right? Exactly. So Pet Sounds, actually, I think he meets the guy in.

In the freaking celio house. Brian Wilson meets Tony Asher, an advertising man, and then a week later calls him, hey, Come over to my house. Which he thought was a joke. At first he thought his advertising guys are putting. Putting them on. But no. Brian Wilson wanted to try writing lyrics, and most of Pet Sounds is written with this guy Tony Asher. After that is where the hip crowd comes in. This is where it’s a little more like, huh. This is. This is where the Laurel Canyon stuff slips in a little bit more because Van Dyke Parks comes in through.

He’s. He’s a. You know, he’s a madman hippie, right? And he writes over and over the crow flies Uncover the Cornfield. And lyrics like that for Smile, which are fantastic lyrics. But that is where Mike Love comes in. What the hell are these lyrics? And why do I have to sing them? You know, look at the. Look at the lyrics for Surfs Up, Man. If you want. You could probably find something encoded into those if you wanted. A diamond necklace plays the pawn. That’s some weird stuff. You know, apparently it’s based on the alliteration, the sound.

But it is like this, you know, Hollywood hipster writing the stuff in the mid-60s. So who knows what’s coming through in there? I think that might be a fun tangent to go on. Backmasking the Beach Boys and just trying to find some kind of satanic messages. Especially if we went forward for smile. Go forward for smile at first. Just do those forward and see what you get. I mean, to butcher a Bill Hicks joke, but he says something like, what do you think is more evil? Like backmasking the Beatles or just listening to New Kids on the Block regular? I pay people today, though.

They’d be like, yeah, new kids, that’s nostalgic. Let’s, let’s, let’s, let’s get step by step on the, on the, on the radio, man, whatever the radio is these days now, I always hate it. See, I’m at that exact age where, like, right when the new kids are getting. That’s where I’m starting to notice girls. And that’s when girls are starting to notice the new kids. So you’re getting in my mind. New Kids on the Block and Beach Boys. I mean, maybe not comparable musically, but they sort of represent the same. Like, yeah, Beach Boys, the OG Boy Band.

Yeah. Really? Weren’t there older boy bands in the Beach Boys? I guess there are doo wop groups, but I mean, what do you got before that? Buddy Holly and the Crickets is what you get for eight band, right? Not as fun. Not as fun as the Beach Boys doing acid. No, no, no, no. Not as fun at all. So, yeah, the Beach Boys are kind of the OG Boy Band, I mean, and the Beatles are kind of marketed as such, you know, in America in particular, but on England, too, I guess. So New Kids, it’s kind of like they don’t have instruments anymore, you know, they look cool with guitars in the 60s, I guess.

So the One Direction told guitars. I don’t know. I don’t remember. Did they pretend to at least be a band? I mean, the Beach Boys were basically pretending. I mean, they’d play live, I guess, but, you know, in the studio after 1964, you’re very rarely hearing a Beach Boy play on their classic recordings. Okay, so it goes Beach Boys, Menudo, New Kids on the Block. That seems like the, the progression of the boy bands culture. That sounds about right. Like again, the birds. Mr. Tambourine Man. The only bird playing an instrument on that is Jim McGuinn at the time playing his 12 string Rickenbacher.

The rest of the birds were not even contracted to be allowed to play in the studio for that song. In fact, I think two of the birds aren’t involved in that song because they don’t sing. So you got the three singers, you got Jim McGuin playing as Roger ever playing his 12 string guitar, and the rest is the regular cast of studio musicians. Your favorite drummer is Hal Blaine. He played on everything. Your favorite bass player is Carol Cage. He played on everything. And then somehow John Stamos works his way in there. We don’t even know how.

John Stamis wasn’t even part of the Wrecking Crew. Yeah, no, they were just like, he’s a hip young guy. Let’s get him, you know, so. So they. They honey potted too, I guess, with John Stamos. Well, we’re running. We’re running a little bit long here. Let’s just get into this. Hey, conspiracy buffs. I double dare you to take some pcp. The paranormal conspiracy probe. On your marks. Get set and go. All right, don’t be too jarred. I know you do have to go to work today, so just a little bit of PCP before you’re on your way out.

The rules are I’m going to just mention a phrase or a statement to you and you’re just going to give me a rating from 1 to 10 on how much you agree with that statement or theory or whatever it is that I say. That make enough sense? Okay, so for example, if I said there’s infinite land beyond the Arctic wall, where do you rate that veracity from 1 to 10? Oh, geez, I love the idea. So it has to go a few numbers up. I’m gonna go. I’m gonna go seven on that. Seven’s good. Partly because I like it, though.

Okay, well, I mean, I think I have to follow that up with the earth is flat. You know what I decided about that. It doesn’t really matter. But you know what? I’ve heard people talk about seeing the curve from the plane, all that. I think in the end of the day, I’m just gonna have to go to on that. I feel like I’ve seen the curve. But it does matter because there can’t be infinite land unless there’s an infinite plane. And that only happens on flat earth. But that got the higher score because I like the idea.

The flat earth. I don’t argue with your. These are your ratings. I’m not here to, like, talk you up or down unless I’m not going logical here. I’m going. I’m Going feeling here. I’m going by intuition. Okay. That’s how PCP works, right? I’m stuck in a K hole. This is ketamine. But whatever. Someone within the last century has successfully summoned a literal demon. Oh, 10 for that? Yes. Who and when? Hey, you know what? I told you I meditate very early on. Sometimes you’re meditating, you just see faces come by and I’m like a few of the.

And a few of them didn’t look happy. Some of them looked interested. I feel like spirits are coming by and I feel like that’s technically me summoning a demon, so. Or at least observing a demon. Well, that’s why meditation is not in my bible. How about there we go. I got past it though. I rarely see that stuff anymore. Medieval alchemists successfully created the element of gold 8. And the image that comes to mind is x factor, like 48 or something. It’s before, it’s when they were still the original X Men. And there’s this. All that glitters is gold.

And every time people talk about gold alchemy, that comic book cover comes to mind. Celebrity clones. Tell me if I need to expand on that. Yes, you do. Scientific or stand inside state? Well, I guess I don’t really know the difference between those two. For example, there was a lot of claim that the Jamie Foxx was a clone. And then he came out in a movie that was about him being a clone. And there were like multiple Jamie Foxx’s in these secret government laboratories. We’ve heard that there’s different Britney Spears of the Britney Spears that you see dancing on social media now that that’s also kind of a body double slash clone.

So I mean, I guess it could be either or, but I’m definitely leaning more towards an engineered scientific clone, not just a lookalike that’s used as a stand in Saddam Hussein style. Yeah, look alike 10. I mean, come on, Gallagher. There were three Gallaghers touring. So 10. That’s, I mean again, that’s, that’s right there. Okay, let’s say scientific clone. Scientific clone. I’m only gonna have to go three on that. I feel more like you, you’d find someone 80% of the way there and then the science would be like plastic surgery, you know, training, that sort of thing.

So I feel, I feel like that’s more practical. If you clone somebody, what do you do? Wait 20 years. In Star Trek Nemesis, they supposedly cloned John Luke Picard. And it comes, he turns out to be a young Tom Hardy. How does that work? Very bad. It’s what I usually think of, too. Like, how do you know that this guy is going to get powerful enough that he’s going to need a clone in, like, 20, 30 years from now? So. And I don’t think you can clone. I don’t think you can raise the clone fast enough.

I mean, at this point, it makes more sense to build, like, an ash Android or find someone 89% of the way there and use medical science to work the other 20%. Maybe. Although, let me just point this out if anyone’s listening is interested in this. If you go and search for newspaper articles from the 1910s to the 1930s about feeding human beings pineal glands, that there are many different scattered reports that original tests were that if you fed a pineal gland to a young animal or a young child, that they would advance the course of like, seven years over a summer.

And that this was being touted as a way to kind of like skip puberty. And the ultimate thing was they were trying to sell this on farmers, not just for their chickens to grow up and their cows to grow up quicker, but also their kids could be ready to help out on the farm way faster. And then all of a sudden, all those reports just disappear. Maybe because it turned out it was absolutely false and pseudoscience. Or maybe it was because they needed to hoard that information for the celebrity clones. Okay, then. I don’t feel too bad about throwing out my three or four.

So I haven’t heard that before, though. Crystals hold magic. Sorry. You got a pocket full of crystals, don’t you? I got a pocket full of crystals, man. So I’m gonna say nine, because like I said, I don’t believe in things. But I’m like, if nothing else, I just. Just have these things that have been in my. That are always on me. Right. So it’s a. It’s a more fun version of Pascal’s Wager. Yeah, yeah. Yes, it is. And also sometimes it’s just if you’re bored and out somewhere, you got a few shiny stones to look at.

Gems. Reptilian shapeshifters have stepped foot on the planet Earth. Oh, I gotta go at least a 5. 6 on that. Can I choose two numbers? I’m kind of like splitting my. That’s 5.5, then. So I. I like the idea of the reptilians living. We round up here. Inner Earth. Inner Earth. Inner Earth. Reptilians being the inner Earth. Let’s. Let’s go six. Okay, six. Rounding up. Dinosaurs are real. Or were Real are real, man. They could be in the inner earth too. I’m gonna go seven for that. I feel strongly. More strongly about dinosaurs now in the inner Earth than the reptilians.

How about dragons? Yeah, sure. I mean, you know, down. Down there, it’d be like kind of the same thing. Dragons and dinosaurs would be basically the same thing, wouldn’t they, at that point? I mean that if that’s how your class. So they both get a seven. Dinosaurs. Tell you what. Tell you what. Yeah, no, six. Because some of the dragons in Japan are just them trying to figure out what a lion looks like without ever having seen the lion before. Is that true? Yeah, some of the. Maybe not a dragon, but some of the. The temple, you know, temples.

You’ll see a kind of lion thing, but it doesn’t look right. They have giraffes that don’t quite look right because it was a game of telephone. Someone in Africa just described it to several people in the Silk Road. Describe someone in China. Describe someone in Korea. Then it gets to Japan. So at that point, a giraffe is a mystical creature. How about Darwinian evolution? Rate it 1 to 10. 5. I think it’s a viable theory. At the same time, maybe our minds just construct a reality, you know, that’s also something out there. And how would you know The Knights Templar were baddies? And I don’t mean like hot, hot girls.

I mean, like, they were. They were evil Satanists that were kissing cat butts and spitting on the cross because of bad boy stuff. Okay, see, here’s pop culture coming again. You say Knights Templar, the first thing that pops my mind is, of course, the bewildered knight guy from Indiana Jones in the Last Crusade. So I’m like, that guy seemed chill, didn’t he? So five. Okay, we’re gonna go off of Indiana Jones movie. I like that. I like that. That Aleister Crowley communicated with extraterrestrials or entities or what have you, versus that he made it all up.

10. I mean, he made up lots of it too, but I think he did experience, like, some kind of entities. Okay. Osama bin Laden was buried at Sea in 2011 out of respect for his culture. 1. Can I go? 09. 11 was an inside job. 6. Building 7 fell from heat. Oh, from heat. Oh, that’s silly. No, well, he. I guess that the official story is that it fell from heat and debris. And didn’t it fall at the wrong. They announced it first. 3. Isn’t that the one where they said it was falling and then it fell? Yeah, that was on one of the British broadcasts.

I believe they announced it about seven minutes before it actually fell as it’s still standing behind them with no visual, you know, indication that it was going to fall. Three because maybe they had a heat ray. How about the secret? Do you know the secret? The one from the mid-2000s, like the book? Yeah, the Law of Attraction essentially. I hate that version of it but 10 because I think I’ve somewhat effectively used it. But not that version. The more, you know, like the more the old school version. Yeah, how about that? World’s Fairs were used as a cover to tear down ancient architecture and hide it from us.

That’s a. Wanna give it a ten. But realistically I guess I’m gonna have to say six or seven. Says seven. Okay, here, here’s one. Because you, you mentioned that you think Aleister Crowley was able to summon entities or whatever and that someone within the last 100 years was able to summon an actual demon. I do think he was an by the way, just throwing that out there. And you mentioned that you see weird faces and stuff in meditation. So let me ask you the, here’s, here’s a hypothetical that some 11 year old gets on to Amazon with his parents credit card for the first time, has never looked into any kind of occult or esoteric anything and just haphazardly orders a book called Dummy’s Guide to Summoning Demons or whatever.

There’s got to be a book like that somewhere on Amazon, right? Total novice, no idea what he’s getting into. I guess the point that I’m making is that there’s no actual intent here other than just curiosity from a budding mind. Orders a book called how to summon Demons for Idiots, follows through that whole book and tries to summon a demon. 1 to 10 that this 11 year old novice can actually summon a demon from an on demand print book that he got from Amazon. 6. He could stumble into something. Actually we had a good friend, he moved his parents, his parents have been divorced when.

And anyways living as an uncle, he didn’t like his aunt and uncle, he moved with somebody else like another uncle and then he like full on gotten to like 80s style Satanism and stuff. Like you know when we’d see him every time he’d be more and more satanic. I don’t think he summoned a demon. Yeah, but he was certainly into it. Jeffrey Epstein killed himself. Oh wait, what’s the scale? One is no one is. No, he didn’t kill himself. One. Yeah, okay. One. Do you think that there’s knowledge that’s dangerous? That. Okay, that’s a good question.

Is there knowledge that’s dangerous to you? Let me specify that. That like you learning some sort of knowledge is. Is dangerous to you. I’m gonna go seven and can I spoil the new Mission Impossible film? I don’t care. Yeah, okay, so anyone that doesn’t want that spoiled, let’s, let’s. Anyway, there’s this entity, right? Like this could be your DNA. Dianetics. Put up the little mental block and just get through this. Don’t bother. So they got the 5D optical drive through. Crazy Mission Impossible stuff. They have put the entity, this AI that’s going to destroy the world.

Nuclear Armageddon. They’ve now got them trapped in a 5D optical quantum drive. Right. No one should be able to say this. I think they. I think even Tom Cruise, Ethan Hunt says something along those lines at the end. But the end, it’s like you are the Jesus of this movie. Ethan Hunt. You will be in possession of this glowing drive with this completely with knowledge that shouldn’t exist. Where to me isn’t that when you crush it or throw it on the ground and you know. Yeah. This is the Omega Directive from Star Trek. That there’s knowledge in the universe that is so complete and truthful that it’s dangerous.

That even if it’s pure, you can’t allow it to get into the wrong hands. AKA the Borg. So therefore you must do everything possible to destroy that knowledge just so the Borg can’t get it. That’s Lord of the Rings too. You got to get the right yang. Lord of the Rings. So the new mission possible is like, ah, whatever, Frodo. And keep it. He did a lot of work for it. He’s OT8. What’s. What’s the worst thing that could go wrong? So. Okay, yeah, that is the thing. It’s like, what? You know what? So that’s why I’m like, I think we can handle a lot of knowledge.

But there is a certain level where even you need to realize that. Like. And I guess that’s knowledge is power, right? So there’s a certain power level where. No, you don’t want that. You know, you wouldn’t be on this Earth experiencing reality if you wanted so much power. Rate thetans for me, since we’re talking about Tom Cruise. What I don’t actually know. Things work. So I have not. I’m not. Okay, I’m going to. I’m going to butcher this a little bit. But I believe one of the Core ideas of Scientology and Dianetics is that there’s a whole bunch of sort of psychic leeches that were in a big volcano that exploded and when they all got out, they.

They hooked themselves onto you. So if you have any vices, if you’ve got addictions, if you’ve got any sort of mental issues. This is part of the reason why scientologists are anti psychiatry, because they think that there’s not an issue biologically or chemically in your head, that they’re actually these extraterrestrial interdimensional thetans that latch on. So you might have an alcoholic thetan and a lazy thetan and like an over, like a hypersensitive thetan and an emotional thetan. And you have to kind of clear those. And I believe that’s what they call going clear in Scientology is that you’ve cleared your body of all these parasitic thetans and therefore don’t have any vices left.

Oh, but vice. I won’t make you write that if you haven’t heard of thetans before. I’ve heard of things, I just never really thought very hard about what they were because I not didn’t get into Dianetics. But I’m rating your thetans. I don’t know how many things you want. You have four. I don’t know, four seems like a nice number, right? Okay, okay. How about the. How about the Mandela effect? Oh, yeah, sure. I mean, that’s partly again, if our minds are somewhat making me reality, we may be all doing it ourselves, but you know, 10 I mandelaed things 1 to 10 that Walt Disney is still cryogenically preserved somewhere, even if it’s just his head.

One, even if he was. The thing broke down, it leaked. They’re like, crap, he’s been in there all night and it’s been warm now. So something went wrong. The technology, I mean, 60s technology. Come on. No, I always have to point this out too, that most modern day cryogenesis, the ones that actually believe in cryogenics still and use it, they all believe in a first, a last in, first out theory, which means that if you were frozen five years ago, you get thawed out before someone that was frozen 50 years ago because there’s more of a chance that less cell damage has happened to you, so that when the technology is good enough, they can actually thaw someone.

They’re not going to jump straight to Disney because they’re going to have to figure out some extra technology that also deals with freezer burn. Whereas you might not have the same amount of freezer burn, so there’s a better chance of you being successful. So even if Walt Disney was frozen, he’s gonna have to wait way longer for lightning lane. Yeah, the 400 Lightning Lane pass. Yeah, he can afford. Unfortunately. I’ll give it a two then, because he might have lightning lane. How about rate cryptocurrencies 1 to 10 that they are organic and totally not created by intelligence agencies in order to control us? One means I think they’re crappy, or ten means I think they’re crappy? One means you think they’re organic.

Ten means you think that they were engineered to control humanity. Isn’t the guy that created the first one, like, secretive and weird and we don’t know who he is? Satoshi. Yeah. And there’s all sorts of guesses as to who he actually is. Okay, I’ll be slightly skeptical and give it a nine. Let’s see the. The last. I’ll throw the last couple ones. You already kind of like, pre answered some of these. You kind of like, read ahead in the book. But let me ask you this specifically. That a human being in the last 100 years has stepped foot on the moon.

We have to. If the earth flat, then the moon might not be there. But so that. That presupposes that. Well, that’s not true, because there could be a localized moon. Okay, good point. And if there’s a localized moon, then there’s an even greater chance that we’ve stepped foot on it because it’s way closer than a non localized moon. Okay, this is one of my favorite conspiracy theories. I love the Kubrick stuff. At the end of the day, that I do have to pitch up to six that I’m also a science by geek, and I. I want to think that we’ve had people on the moon.

Okay, okay, so six that people have landed on the moon. How about rate the actual Apollo 11 footage that was broadcast? How much credit do you give that specific footage that I’m gonna give like a three. I think at very least they had to redo it. I do ascribe by. Kubrick did not make that footage, though, because it looks like garbage. And he wouldn’t have made garbage footage. Okay, you’re reading ahead again. So the last one is that Kubrick was involved in the Apollo 11 or any of the Apollo mission footage. I’m gonna go six there because again, I like the idea that he did that.

Right? And if. But I feel like we would have got much better moon footage if we did 2001 Space Odyssey looks way better in the Apollo 11 footage. I. I think you’re off the hook, man. You did a pretty good job. I think you. You actually gave a lot of more high ratings on the stuff. So I guess you’re. You’re in the esoteric occult book club now. Good for you to know that. But, yeah, like I said, it’s a big part is like, if you go with the presupposition, like, I don’t believe in anything, it just gives you the freedom to think about whatever you want and not, you know, like, oh, I shouldn’t be thinking about this.

Why not? I can think about this. You know, I don’t believe in anything. Are you as a nihilist, but is this atheism talking now? No, because I’m telling you, I think there are things beyond. I’ve done lucid dreaming, I’ve had weird meditations where it could all be mind games, but there’s a whole lot going on in there, you know? So is it. Is it even possible to believe in demonic possession and be an atheist? Well, could we believe in a supernatural world that is not necessarily religiously dictated? Like, there’s no God, but there’s a weird beyond.

There’s like, now we’re getting into agnosticism and deism more so than atheism. Yeah, yeah. That’s my own interpretation of the definition. But I think atheism usually precludes any supernatural activity, or it ascribes all supernatural activity to just kind of like the Clark’s. You know, any sufficiently advanced technology is imperceptible from magic or whatever that quote is. I think that that’s how I interpret atheism is that everything can be explained at some point. But if you’re saying there could be some weirdness out there, that almost sounds like agnosticism. Like, here’s one thing I will say I maybe kind of believe in because it’s personal experience.

And hey, this is actually the first time I had a conversation. You know, the chakra system, I’m into that. Like, when I started meditating in 2016, I was like, think I was very clearly around that third one, you know, and then I got more comfortable with my life. Maybe we’re four. Five is the one where you’re more communicative. That’s where I start podcasting stuff. You know, maybe I’m working on six now. Now I can trip out at will when I master at. I can walk down the street and everything’s on lsd. That’s what I want. That’s What I was trying for in the first place, isn’t it? Do you think it’s rude to rise your Kundalini out in public a little bit? Like, if no one was asking you to do it and you’re like, kundalini rising.

Actually, I’ve been walking down the street and suddenly feel like a. Whoa. You know, a spark of energy doing that. So what is that? You know, I don’t know. Is that necessarily mystical or anything? I don’t know. It’s. But it’s there. It happened, you know, didn’t happen before I started meditating and stuff. It’s kind of fun. Every once in a while I wake up in the morning, it’s like lying on a pleasant power cord. What? How is that? What is this? Like, every once I wake up in the morning, I can definitely feel, like, Kundalini energy ripping through, you know, and so it’s.

I think of it as like a pleasant power cord. Like, you’re laying on the power cord, but it’s nice. And you’re sure this isn’t like chemtrails? Okay, maybe the chemtrails are causing it too. I don’t know. As I don’t believe just telling you my experience, you know, it could be the Delta 9 chemtrails. Yes. Well, let everyone know where they can find all your other podcasts and all the other cool stuff you got going on. Again, all the links are going to be in the description, as they always are, like I say, and keep it too easy links.

All the Podcasting is at podcastio podcastius.org all the music is at rovingsagemedia.bandcamp.com look at that. Are you on Spotify? Do we need to get you on Spotify too? I don’t. Podcasts. I think our music’s not. Yeah, we need to get your music on Spotify, man. Yeah, see, here’s the weird thing. Please listen to the music. I would love feedback, blah, blah, but I very much just make music for myself, you know, like now, like, I just. I go insane if I don’t make a song every month or something. I’ll get depressed. So you need to share it with the world, man.

Especially with how much music you do output. All the extra theme song. A lot of people don’t realize that for every theme song that they hear, like, variation, like, Matt’s got an equal number. Probably even more than that. So maybe we’ll start rotating out and even the cartoon cabal theme song that if you haven’t listened to that series, go Check for cartoon cabal. I think it’ll probably be out by the time this one comes out. That also was part of your doing, was it not? The. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The. The song is actually that the drums are currently electronic, but I think we’re gonna have a full.

Full anal. I mean, recorded on computers, but, you know, analog track in the end, which will be kind of cool because people don’t do that anymore, do they? Well, highly recommend it. Go listen to the Barnard beats. Go listen to all the rest of the podcast. Definitely have to watch Occult Disney. It’s getting better and better with every single episode. We’re finally figuring out the formula. Maybe we need to go back. And I’ve said this a couple of times. I feel like we have to go back and start over all over again. We gotta start with Snow White and then work all the way through.

At least Fantasia again, because, yeah, we’ll take a look back at those. And also, I mean, as we get closer to the present, it’s like a little more relevant because when you’re talking Snow White, like we talked about then, like, people were into more esoteric, esoteric stuff and mysticism in the 30s, so it wasn’t weird to go to your friend’s house and they want to do a seance or something, you know, where modern stuff’s different. Right? So it’s a different world. Whereas stuff, you know, now we’re. Where are we now? Or about. Who? Frankenweenie. Hey, that seems to make sense for modern sensibilities.

Crosswired with Frankenstein. Right? Well, this has been another episode of the Paranoid American podcast. Get all your conspiracies here. I’ve got plenty of other cool stuff for you to check out. Don’t sleep on freaking Nicole Disney, man. Go to a cultDisney.com while you can. And also, I’m wearing the occult Disney shirt. And just to answer your question, no, you can’t have one, because I don’t want to get sued. Like, Mid Journey is right now by Disney. But. But Matt can have one. I can have one, and Matt can have one, and you can. Ready for a cosmic conspiracy about Stanley Kubrick moon landings and the CIA? Go visit nasacomic.com NASA comic.com CIA Stanley Kubrick put us on this.

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