Brave (2012) and the Golden Bough by James George Frazer

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➡ The text discusses the historical practice of forging swords in the urine of red-headed children, believed to have mystical properties. It also delves into the history of tartan patterns, their significance in identifying family allegiances during battles, and how Disney Pixar created original tartan patterns for their movie ‘Brave’. The text also touches on the cultural significance of tartans and similar identifiers in different cultures, including Japan and America.
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This is Matt here. Over there, it’s paranoid American. How’s it going? The bears. The bears. That’s right. Because I thought, oh, we all turned to bears. I was like, well, there’s like three different connotations there, right? So I guess I should like, at least point all three of them out. We’re talking about football players. Football players, Indiscreet bars. Yes. Joining us today is actually the. The lyricist for our theme song, Past and Future, as we already have another one, the Cooker, but it’s Scott Atkinson over there. How’s it Scotting? Greetings, one and all. Hello there. And if you’re interested in Scottish gaelic, bear is McGowan.

You name pubs that, don’t you? That sounds like a pub name. That’s racist, isn’t it? Maybe not as far as I know. Unless it was like 1500 years ago in the Sean Connery version of the Scottish accent. It is. But yeah. Yeah. One of the reasons I brought you on is because, well, you’re my OG conspiracy guy. You and I have ranted on the phones for hours upon hours upon endless hours about random crap like moon landings and what. Whatever. Things you’re not supposed to. Yes. Things from the sky, all that sort of stuff. Also, we’re looking at a movie that has to do with Scotland.

We got Scott here and like, like you said, you’ve for some reason been teaching yourself Scottish Gaelic. Yes, and named after the country too. Yeah, my mother could speak Scottish Gaelic. Well, actually my grandmother could, but my mother was from Scotland. Can you give us the greeting? Let’s see. So. So Fulcher would be welcome. And one more time, Vulture. Okay, first time it sounds dirty. Martinva would be good morning. And if you wanted to say, like, how are you, Kimber Hashiv? Kimber Hau would be the casual version. Okay, I gotta ask, in general, is this an angry Language like German or a whimsical language like Irish.

Welsh. Yes, there is a connection with Irish because Scottish Gaelic or Gaelic came from Irish. And yeah, it does sound a little bit. I just think everyone seems to be like, yeah, yeah. Like, if you want to say, like, I love you, Howler. Yeah. So, yeah, it doesn’t have quite the poetic ring of French. Put a little hot too on that. Yeah, yeah. But yes, yes. Brave is a first for a few things for Disney or Pixar. It’s the first female protagonist and a Pixar. It’s the first one directed by a woman, though, as I get into the production.

It’s another one where they did kick her off before they finished the movie and someone else finished it, but maybe because of that, they left her name on as a co director and she did win an Academy Award for this movie. So did they replace her with another woman? Nope. Oh, they replaced her with a Pixar ringer. But it was like. I don’t think they were completely dish. Happy with the movie, but they. They weren’t completely happy with the movie. So I guess they wanted someone to mansplain the movie a little bit. So which. But it was like they kind of wanted to have their cake and eat it too, though, so she does get the Oscar to put on her mantle piece, so I guess that’s cool.

But. And she is like, most of what I did is there, but of course you, you know, you have a little bit. What’s her name again? Brenda Chapman. Right. So it’s one of those things where you read the quotes and they sound like a little bit, you know, whitewashed, where it’s just like you can still read between the lines and tell she’s not completely happy about this. Did like the. Mickey literally has a gun to her back as she’s writing it out. Yeah, yeah. You better make it a little less magical. Do it, do it. I got a gun to your back.

Right. Something along those lines. Let’s see if I can get. Let’s see. In October 2010, she was replaced by Mark Andrews after creative disagreements between her and John Lasseter. Knowing a little bit more about John Lasseter and I wonder. Paradise. Creative disagreements might have involved too much hugging or not, you know. Yeah. So that’s all. I mean, none of that’s like documented. So this is all like reading between the lines. So the, the production, they. They kind of. I think it was trouble, but they tried to make it look a little more untroubled so people could, you know, enjoy the Film.

It’s like a project not to walk away from and on one’s free will. I mean, it’s quite a passion project, I felt. Yeah. It is the first fairy tale for Pixar. Okay. This one is announced in April 2008. So it is. Once they know Pixar is going to be part of Disney again. So maybe that’s why they’re going for a little more of a fairy tale thing to, I don’t know, make themselves at home at Disney or something. I think it makes sense a little bit and also puts a lot more in perspective because this almost feels like a requirement that if you’re going to join the egregore of Disney, then you have to get on board and do Disney root stuff.

So you got to go grim fairy tale style. The same way that Disney kind of got its start. Right. And ironically, Snow White was the first Disney theatrical release. Right. And this is the first Pixar joining Disney official release. And this was also originally called Snow White and Red Rose. But that means that Pixar and Disney both get their footing in this, like, theatrical world with someone named Snow White. They’re not the same story, but it’s the same name. Yeah, for sure. Have you guys seen this one before? We watched it maybe two or three times when my daughter was young.

So this is what I was getting at. I asked them yesterday if. If they remembered. Sorry, I’ll do my answer before. I guess you do your answer. But my wife was just like, oh, that one wasn’t that good. I remember. Right. She didn’t like it that much. I think I like it better in her. My daughter got it. I mean, she was three or four at the time. She got a little mixed up. When I asked, she. I was like, it’s the one where the mom is a bear. Right. And she remembered going to the planetarium as a kid and getting traumatized by the mother bear story of Ursa Major where the mother is like, killed and becomes a star in the sky.

That’s what I was bringing up before is like, did you guys tie it in? Because the fact that she brought that up and confused the two. I was like, well, that. That seems like something, right, Callisto. Yeah. Yes, yes, that story. So I was like, before we got on, I was trying to figure out if we had seen like a Japanese version of the story. And I don’t think. I think it was probably the Greek version of the story. That theology. Yeah, yeah. Japanese version. That’s something to check out. Absolutely. I didn’t get any hits in the 15 minutes I spent researching before this.

So. Which, again, I. I did. That didn’t come to me till last night. So today I was like, I should look at that a. Before we start doing this. A fun fact, too, is that if your daughter didn’t like the part about the mom being turned into a bear, there’s a very similar one, I believe is where, like, Athena’s owl came from, that the owl originally was, like, one of her, you know, maidens or consorts or like, like, helpers that gets assaulted by the gods. And then instead of the gods getting in trouble for assaulting her, she has to live in shame and then gets turned into an owl so that she doesn’t have to present her, like, shameful human part.

But that’s where that. The owl, like pretty much every animal that comes out of mythology, has got a very tragic backstory. So I don’t put on Clash of the titans for. Okay, 1981 with Henry Hamlin. There isn’t a later version, I think. I don’t think they showed that part about the owl getting assaulted and everything. So there’s an owl in there. Oh, no, I saw it. But it’s like a mech owl, right? Yes, yes, yes, yes, it is. You’re. You’re right. Very labyrinthy. But I. Yeah, I did just think, you know, you said that in Clash of Titans.

Ow. It all kind of rocks together. Now, Scott, I know when you first saw this because I sent this to you for Scott’s birth. I just sent him something that he needs to see. Right. Which keeps being Scottish stuff. I sent him the Wicker man last year. The good one had one. And this year I sent him Brave, basically for this podcast. But you said your kids dug it. Yeah, Very, very much. It’s interesting, too. Surprisingly, I did. I’m not really into the whole princess thing just because it’s. That it’s almost become a trope. It’s been done so much, but it’s kind of interesting.

I just had a look at the title last night, and in Japanese, it’d be like Merida. No, let’s see. That’d be Osoroshi no Mori. So the Merida and the. Has a double meaning. It could be like the Terrible or Terrifying Forest or the Surprising or Startling Forest. I don’t know how it comes across in Japanese, technically, what name they use, but probably did being Disney may be the Surprising or Startling. Interesting. So. So the title of Brave in Japanese is the. The Terrifying Forest. That’s right. Yes, yes, yes. Yes. So, yeah, so that’s another kanji because it’s quite simple.

Just. That’d be Morning Forest. Yes. Yeah, maybe. And I can handle that one. That’s nice. After 17 years here, I’ve given up on learning kanji. I. I can read it and use it, but yeah, I. I have my limits. But here. Yeah, just. Happy chatting. Basically, I’ve learned I’m very dyslexic when I do try writing kanji because I’ll just do everything backwards. So I’m like, oh, with letters I didn’t have that trouble with. I tried to. So I cannot write kanji to save my life, except for like real simple ones like Yama can’t scrub Yama. That’s an arrogant.

There’s two ways of speaking at the end. My experience with kanji is that like almost every good 17 year old that joins the military, I got drunk the first night out on base and got some kanji tattooed that I didn’t know idea what it said. But now it’s on my body forever. So I also feel a deep connection to kanji. So it could be like soup or something. I’ve had people that knew how to read it look into it. It’s like roughly what it needs to be. It says like music and talent or something. I was 17.

What do you want? I was super drunk. That’s probably close enough. That’s. That’s pretty. Pretty good though, man. Like, they could have said any. The whole. The saving grace is that since it was a military, they probably didn’t want some angry military guy coming up after they found out, you know, and it’s got a great backstory too, to it. So I mean. Yeah. Is this one new to you or had you seen it before? This is kind of like. I would have bet money that I’d seen this one before, but I didn’t remember any part of this whatsoever.

I think maybe I put it on and fell asleep, which sounds like 90 of movies to me. But no, this, by all. All things considered, this was a brand new movie for me that I’d never seen before. Maybe you’d found yourself in with some of the ancillary stuff back in the day. You know that honestly, that happens a lot where I might have worked on it or seen so much footage and it was work at that point. So when it actually comes out, it wasn’t as fun for me. You know, not because I didn’t work on the movie.

I just worked on a bunch of ancillary crap. And I’d seen All the props and everything so often, but this one was a refreshing man. I actually really liked it. I thought that it’s. It was by far the best, quote, unquote, Disney animation. I know it’s Pixar, but the best one that they’ve made to date. You know, after all the other ones we’ve seen, this one felt like it holds up the best so far out of all the movies reviewed. Yeah, you picked up on that correctly at this point in time. They scraped all of their tech, basically, and adapt Dolby Atmos, which was a sound system.

I guess it has. Yeah, that’s audio. Yeah. Yeah. But let me read that again because as I’m saying it, it sounded weird. Oh, sorry. It’s the first to use the Dolby Atmos sound format. Oh. And they completely rewrote their animation system, but they didn’t give it a cool name. Those sentences were just, like, right next to each other. So that’s where I got them all mixed up. The wildest part to me was how good the hair looked. The hair was. Was the kind of like the spotlight for this entire movie, which is weird because the last one that Disney put out that was animated was Rapunzel or Tangled, where, like, hair was supposed to be the.

The main character. So in this movie, we’ve got the technical vision that maybe should have been in that last one, which, I don’t know. It doesn’t take away from it. I just thought it was. The first thing was, like, how come Rapunzel didn’t have hair this nice? Well, that they did a lot. I mean, monsters, they wanted the fur to look good, so they upped their game for that. Rapunzel, they did up their game for it. So this is another. This is a rewriting the whole thing. So now they’re like, okay, hair is important. Let’s make sure that’s, you know, maximized, I guess, in this one.

Notice visually, some of the red hair just lit up the frame. Merida’s hair was just so electric. And the kids, too. I don’t know if it’s a bit too much of a cliche of, you know, Scottish people, but when I was. When I was a boy, when I was a wee lad, you know, I had very bright red hair. And in Australia, I was always called Carrot. Carrot Top as a kid or. Or Bluey in Australian English for. They call people with red hair bluey in Australia. Like the dog. Has the dog got red hair? Yeah, I don’t know if it does, actually.

I’m not that familiar. With bluey. To be honest, I’ve been out of Australia too long, but that’s. Yeah, but that’s what they call redheads in Australia’s bluey. Now is. Is this ginger territory or is ginger a special subset? I think definitely ginger would be definitely British. Like a British English they would call redheads. But sometimes a little bit of a different shade. It’s almost like a. What are the shades? You have to have freckles. I don’t know if I have the vocabulary, actually. I’ve also been out of any English speaking country for too long. But. But yeah, it is like.

It is like a goldish, reddish orangey kind of a unique shade. Interesting. Have you ever been accused of not having a soul? Because that seems very specific to gingers. And. And the only reason I even mention all of this is because they’re in conspiracy and a cult lore. There is a fascination with red hair for a whole number of different reasons. And I always wonder, is this just like anyone that has red hair or do you have to be like. Like a classic gin, like an albino freckle ginger that if you walk into the sun, you’re like a vampire? Or does anyone with red hair fall under this? I.

Good question. Only speaking for myself, I do have the. The crystal here and the freckles. But do you have the Rh negative? I think that’s like the final. You could get Orchard man. Yeah, but you know how much your blood is worth on the black market right now if you got, you know, true, like ginger jeans plus RH negative. Have you seen. I think I saw it on like CNN or something a month ago where there’s some ginger convention. It might be northern England or in Scotland. And. Yeah, and there’s a bunch of smiling like, yeah, people like staring through your soul harvesting ritual.

Yeah, the triplets in this movie I went writing through. I think I called him ginger the first time. So I was on your page with that. Then I called him gremlins and I called them trolls. Oh, and later I called them bears because they were bears. But yeah, children are as goblins. I have a Tuesday student and she just comes in and she must be very ADHD or something and usually screams for 30 minutes. And because her mom’s out there, even though she’s like seven, and then runs around the school screaming for another 30 minutes. And then people usually wrangle her in for a lesson.

I don’t have to teach her. So I just have to deal with like this screaming in the. In the school for an Hour or so I’m like, oh, we got, we got gremlins today. I gotta squeeze one more like orange haired question. I’ve heard it as, as ginger. Like that might be a limitation of the, the phrase here, but that also in around the dark ages, which is when this particular movie takes place, it might have just been boys, but they used to forge swords in the urine of red headed children because it was said to have some kind of a mystical property.

And I don’t know if it worked very well because they ended up getting taken over a few different times like right after this time period. But that, that had always fascinated me. And this isn’t just like some random crazy like cracked article that never got substantiated. You can find lots of different examples of this being recorded and even I think modern day or like, like modern museum exhibits that have the actual swords that were forged in the urine of gingers. Have you ever heard this before or is this new? That’s a trip. That is new. That is new.

Okay, just, just careful. Use a VPN if you start doing some research you don’t want. Yeah, once you start typing in some urine. And boys, I. For my other podcast a few weeks we did the movie Bratz with a Z. Right. And yeah, I had to put rail guards on that search because I got some pretty dirty stuff. We are looking at the websites for the articles, man. Yeah, I was looking for a PG movie for Queen Girls and I did that. Not what I got when I did the search. You guys are the ones that are prejudiced knowledge.

Yeah, yeah. I’m not the weird one here, by the way. Yeah, it says medieval Scotland. They talk about fighting the Romans at some point, making me think this is like very early. Like this is like like maybe 400. I was having trouble placing exactly when this film is. It’s. It’s a bit murky. The Del Riata would be the. The kingdom at the time. I’m just kind of like, you know, just connecting a few dots here. But basically from I believe the 4th or 5th century to about the N10 contemporary era, it was. There was a kingdom called Dalriata, which is County Anum in Northern Ireland.

Well what’s now Northern Ireland? Ulster and Western Scotland. In the islands there was a kingdom and maybe or like a confederation and there were four fief, not fiefdoms, but let’s say kingdoms that United States. And actually the first king that united them all was called Fergus. Fergus the Great. Fergus. More. More just means great or big in Scottish Gaelic. Maybe Irish too. But anyway, I think he was king around the 5th century contemporary era. So. Okay, so that. That is what I was thinking. I was like, oh, this is like way earlier because I came in a movie thinking like, oh, 1300, probably because of Braveheart.

Right. Where I’m just like thinking of that which has people paint a blue. Which would be wrong at. They would be picked. It’s pre kilt, but post painting your face blue and oh, actually we do see a killed in this because the one guy like moons. But they were. They weren’t. They didn’t kill to what, like the 18th century? They didn’t. That’s right. That’s right. Because that was when one of the English kings ironically wanted to see something like kills. But they would. They’ve been outlawed, all of that. So I want to see all you guys in skirts.

First order business. Yeah, yeah, that’s right. What are the. The monarchs and his visitors up north of the border wanted to see kilts. And I think they suddenly outlawed on that. The capricious wing whim. Well, anyway, Pixar, for whatever reason, went about making three original tartan patterns for three of the four clans. Dunbra has been. The Walt Disney company registered that with the Scottish register. So I guess now it’s a real tartan style. I checked it last night. Yeah, that’s right. Macintosh is close to Macintosh smelled slightly differently. Although once you’re not letters, I guess it doesn’t matter.

So. But it is kind of weird that they really went into the tartans for this. The company also registered a tartan pattern for the Clan McDuck in 1942. So someone at Disney is. Or generations at Disney is kind of very obsessed with it. And the scores monetize their history too. So it’s. This is an important initiation ritual again of Pick of Pixar entering the fold officially. So again, it makes sense at that level that Disney would pull something from out of their archives back in the 40s and then use it in this movie in a way so that it has almost like generational knowledge getting passed on to it.

Oh, this is a different. This is another style from the 40s. They did not reuse it. They created another one for Brave. So they’re just like obsessed with it. But they were. It’s like it’s generational now because whoever did in 1942 was not doing it for. For Brave, you know, so it came up again with different people, which is kind of interesting. Yeah. What I have hanging in the back here, it’s actually not A tartan. It was the closest thing I could find to a tartan here in Japan, but actually I got this in Myanmar. It’s actually a lungi.

It’s kind of like a wraparound, but it’s got a kind of a tartness pattern, so. Well, yeah, I think I clicked here. So the earliest surviving samples of tartan style cloth are from Xinjiang, China. Is that how you say it? The. The. The eastern part of China? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I’ve seen. It’s one of those things where I’ve seen it written, but I’ve never really, you know, heard it said much. So this is. We’ve talked a bit. This might be where we stopped talking about it. I don’t know. Well, cars do. We’ll talk about. Yeah. While the thought’s still fresh, if you like.

With tartans, though, they. The design did have an important function because the warlike nature of the people is very evident. Well, like, in a general sense, you know, it’s a Disney Pixar movie. But the allusions to war, let’s say in fighting, because tartans were important because during a battle you had family allegiances, like clan allegiances, which is just Kinyuk is like your family group and you need an identifier in a battle. So tartans were your. Kind of identifies which family group and if you’re aligned or not aligned to a different group. Okay. It describes the dunbrock clan, dunbrock tartan as being ocean blue for the North Sea, subdued scarlet for bloodshed during the clan wars, deep green for the Scottish Highlands, navy blue for the eventual unity of the four clans, and gray for the Scottish people, which, I mean, I guess, interesting.

That’s what Disney wrote about this. Yeah, that doesn’t quite come to mind, but yeah, maybe for the weather. Yeah. I got a question on the tartan thing. Is a tartan is a visual pattern, right? Or is it like a specific article of, like, something that you wear, a flag, a banner? Do all those get considered as art? They would be identifiers. They would be mainly worn as far as I know, like as a breech cloth or like, as, I guess in modern sense, like kilts or, you know, because in Japan, the samurai or different families had their banners and family crests.

So that would be more like a. Like a. Like a version of that, I guess. So when people go to war or as a cultural identifier or family identifier. Yeah. I’m in the town of Wada, and just everywhere you still see the family crest of the town, that of the family that was in this town back in the day, because it was like the one family that the shogun was never quite able to subdue. So there, I guess there’s still some local pride about that. You know, is there an American version of that? Because I believe there are.

I think for some of the American Scottish families or maybe people without Scottish families. I’m sure there would be some tartan. I do believe it does come to mind. I just wonder, does America enter the battlefield with like a specific thing that’s not a national flag to you? I mean, I’m not talking about like the special Delta forces that leave like the space, the spade with like the skull on it or something, but like. And like that means maybe problems. If all of a sudden you see a new tartan you haven’t seen before, does that mean they’re there for warlike purposes? If we’re talking within the context of this movie? Well, if you’re in San Francisco and you pull out a Confederate battle flag, that’s certainly, certainly going to make a statement.

I mean, that’s our version, isn’t it? Right. So very topical. It was on the Georgia flag until the 90s, you know, and I think South Carolina even longer. So it is amazing. You go to Francisco and pull out like the Gadsden flag, like the Don’t. Don’t Tread on Me or something. I guess I can kind of see it that way. Yeah, yeah. So that would be the American version, like flags. Right. You know, fun with flags. That’s a thing. I think in modern times, because I had lived in Scotland, actually this is. I was there back in the 90s, but mid-90s, but I do know some places and this is an issue with parts of Northern Ireland.

Scotland is sectarianism. So if you do go into some areas with the Irish tricolor or the British, like the English or British Union Jack, you could be, you know, messed with. I kind of like, I like that. I like, I like that that there’s certain areas in the world that you have to have some kind of a cultural awareness. This is the same example of Canadian family goes, you know, to Compton because they’ve never done their research and they’re wearing like crips or bloods. Get up. Not on purpose, but they just found like a nice, you know, red sweater or something.

I kind of like that there’s areas in the world that you can die for just not knowing what the local culture is. No. I remember having a 17 year old Japanese student once and he’s really into hip hop. He’s like, yeah, I want to. I want to learn English so I can go to America and go to Compton. And I guess you’re just going to plan out going to comp and get on the car and said, hey, my n words and you know, not edited as I just did. And that’s not going to go well. Dude, don’t do that.

Yeah, but. But that is. He was a very popular rapper that did almost that exact thing and, and did fairly well for himself. Although I think it’s like only one person gets to do it. If all of a sudden like 50 people start doing it, then it becomes a problem, I guess. Another thing is that. Here’s another American thing. In contrast, in Japan, I think we’ve brought it before you wear the Ramones T shirt. You’re into the Ramones, right? You wouldn’t wear a Ramones T shirt without being in the Ramones. Whereas in Japan that’s not the case at all.

So usually they’re just like, oh, I like the design. And it’s 10 bucks for the T shirt. So they buy it, you know, but they don’t know what it is. So we feel like, oh, if I wear this T shirt I should like. You know, I got Pet Sounds here because Pet Sounds, one of my favorite albums. Right? Yeah. Humphrey. Yeah. Actually where I work, my company name is the same name as one of Ramon’s songs. We probably shouldn’t mention which one, just in case, just for privacy and all that. But sometimes I’ll mention hey ho, let’s go when the school bell rings.

But nobody seems to get the joke. But anyway. Oh, the damn young people that tells minivans now. I’m not even kidding. I was going to say the vacation song. That’s a 40 year old movie, so I can’t use that either. That’s still old like Dodge Caravans or something. Using the hey. Because it’s like kids get in the car and it’s like, hey, let’s go. Yeah, yeah. I think they’ve even done that in Japan. But yeah, the connection, you know, it’s just they don’t like style is style and it doesn’t. The visual signifier doesn’t, you know, strike a response on people like it does in the States.

There’s some one writer that said something interesting. He’s kind of a Japanophile and he said, you know, in Japan sometimes the mask is the reality, which is kind of interesting thing, which I. Yeah, there is a bit of that once it’s all of that, but it’s a little bit of that. Yeah, well, yeah, it’s like, in defense, it’s very good. About here is my work self, and that is different than my personal self, which. And so what I do at work, you know, they’re like kind of like trying to severance themselves or something without. Without the tech or something.

Japan goes surprisingly deep too. It is a fascinating mix. Yeah. Getting back to Brave, though, I do want to note that this is technically the start of the weird Pixar timeline, as the W Witch apparently is enchanting the original inanimate objects that will become the toys and Toy Story. And Scott, you sent me that screenshot where she’s making like a Dodge Caravan or something, right? Actually, I’ve got it right here. I don’t know if it’s as good form to show it, but. Yeah, I’ve tried before. I took it just last night. We were in the Witches Burrow, and there is actually.

I believe it’s the Pizza palace or something she’s making. Oh, yeah, okay. The Pizza palace truck. It’s the delivery truck for. For Toy Story. Yeah. That’s a really interesting thing to make during. Were you saying something last night? Like you’d also heard something like that? That’s actually Boo for monsters or something. I. I read one. I listened to one YouTuber that was saying that. Yeah, it’s like a conspiracy. Okay. I got a little backstory on that one because this one, there’s another Easter egg that inside of the. The witches, like little hut there’s a stone that has Sully carved on it.

And the, like, the long version of the theory, like shortened, is that Boo is the witch. So Boo goes from the future and then travels back into time because the witch is able to make these little port door portals and clearly can travel through time because she has that little Toy Story truck. Right? She can’t have a truck unless she can time travel. So the reason she can time travel is because Boo is trying to find Sully. And Boo doesn’t necessarily know what Sully is. Kind of looks like a bear. So she goes back all different parts of history and one of these places, she goes, returns into this witch and she tries to turn people into bears in an effort to figure out if that’s what Sully was or that’s kind of the.

The version of that. That connection. But this is the reason why Brave starts the Pixar universe is because it’s the earliest moment. Like you mentioned before, this is the. The. The earliest of the Dark Ages. Right after Rome falls and the rest of Europe falls in the Dark Ages, then we get Brave. So there’s nothing that’s older than Brave in the Pixar universe. Only things newer, including Monsters Inc. Which is I think, right before Cars. It’s. It’s in the future. Not the farthest future, although I guess Pixar has gone back a little more since because they did the good dinosaur.

So nobody looks like they’re Time Lords for the timeline. Yeah, people don’t include that though. That one’s Jurassic park slash Westworld. Right. Okay, I’ll have to get back to that one. That’s one I saw once and forgot everything about, so. And we’ve watched Dinosaur since, so that replaced my. My thoughts that possibly being the least memorable Pixar movie Brave. If. Well, it wasn’t memorable for my wife, I guess, but I. I find it to be somewhat memorable. You know, maybe I like redheads. I don’t know. You’re in the right country for it. Oh, for this movie.

Not. Not in reality. Little irony there. Yeah. I actually thought that this one, like using the bias of liking Disney movies that get deep into a cult and back to the roots and grim fairy tales and stuff. This one just hit almost every check mark for me. And it was. It was really cool because this, as I’m watching it is the female point of view of my favorite other Disney movie, which is Robin Hood. And that how he goes. And he has to win the archery competition in order to get the hand of Maid Marion. And then, you know, he can like uplift himself and the rest of society by doing this.

Well, now we get to see it from Maid Marion’s point of view. And it’s not in that weird Disney inversion. Girl boss, like, let’s flip everything on its head. It doesn’t do it like that. It. It feels way more down to earth. And this is a. Such a clear representation of the matriarchal age before it turned into patriarchy and passing everything down to your son automatically. This is again, this is like the golden bow. This is where foreign strangers all have to come together and. And prove that they’re worthy of not just winning a competition. It’s the.

The sub context outside of Disney movies is that whoever wins that competition also has to kill her dad. Like you. You don’t get her hand in marriage unless you can kill her father. And none of those dweebs were going to be killing her father. But it was so cool to see that like very strong matriarchal edge to it and how she is more qualified to kill her dad and her mom than any of this competition that shows up. And I just, I thought that’s such a, like a strange and very powerful story to kind of like, tell to kids.

Like, hey, by the way, in this weird dynamic and like, girls avoids, like, sometimes the girl, like, out qualifies all of the suitors. And now what do you do? Like, that was a very real challenge to put in front of a. Like a kid of a young age. Like, oh, what if none of my options are good enough? Like, that’s usually not something that usually the Disney thing is like, like, you pick the best one you can get or whoever fits into the shoe that’s the one that you get. Of course, young McIntosh who seems bored and clumsy, but everything he does, he fails upwards.

He’s like kind of Mr. Magooing it. So, I mean, he does. She splits his arrow, but that’s because he shoots first. Right. If they’d gone the other way, maybe he would have, like, you know, split the arrow. So, yeah, he has no agency. He’s just stumbling through and, you know, the universe is rewarding. If this is tarot, he’s the full card. He is the one that stumbles through and usually the fool is the one that kills the king in that sequence of events in the Golden Bow. So maybe, maybe like the. The real part too, which I’m sure they don’t make, is when he kills her dad.

Yeah, well, if Merida was not as capable, maybe that. That would have been what happened, you know, because she is shown as being having agency, where he’s just shown as like, screwing up and messing up and doing it. Sorry, I did see something here. It said possible sequel, which I think it was dated 2013, so I don’t think that’s happening. I’m just seeing if it says. Well, I don’t think they’re gonna do what you just said, but I mean, without getting into a rant, I think Disney’s phasing out all the redheads. I’ll just leave it there.

Well, they certainly don’t show this movie. I mean, Merida does not get to join the other princesses most of the time. Right. They need her blood in the. In the Project Monarch Lounge. Is she. Is this the only Pixar princess? I think it is. I’m thinking ahead. I don’t think there’s other Pixar princesses. So that. That’s also interesting that she’s kind of left out in. And Pixar doesn’t do this again. I don’t do they do it. I mean, I would call Inside Out a fairy tale sort of movie, but that’s a very modernist dressing. Right. So.

Yeah, that’s crazy. Also, she doesn’t sing. This is the first Disney princess that doesn’t sing. I think I was almost relieved of that, actually, when I was watching it, because I do love music, but sometimes it’s a little bit too much. I think that’s a Pixar thing, though. It’s like, oh, we don’t do musical numbers. Right? I mean, if anything, it’s Randy Newman on the soundtrack in the background. This one seems to have, like, those. A bit of Scottish tradition. The traditional. Yeah, it just. It came. I mean, I know they said they had the London Symphony Orchestra playing and stuff, but I kept thinking about, like, those, you know, know, nature stories in the malls, and they had the little wooden kiosk of.

Of soothing CDs, and it was like, this sounds kind of like one of those. I think that’s why this movie might be worth a second look for anyone that’s like, oh, I didn’t really find that. That interesting. Here we’ve got no dancing and singing animals, no romance subplot, just a bear curse and a girl that’s kind of kicking ass. That’s. That’s the whole movie. And the bear doesn’t talk. And the bear’s got a human inside for the most part, but the bear doesn’t talk either. Right. Cooler version of brother bear in a way, too. Yeah, I can go with that.

And merit is a real archetype too. Like, you know, if people met my sister in Australia, she had very red hair. But, you know, guys would not. With my sister. Sorry. Sort of language. But no, you can do that. But yeah, you know what? She played rugby. And yeah, you know, she. If. If a dude messes with her, you know, they’ll. They’ll definitely know very soon. I think this is actually out of all of the Disney archetypes, among the most healthy of them all. So many of the other ones are so deeply. I mean, then again, she is willing to poison her mom.

So I guess leave a little bit of room in there for Jesus. Just gonna say the Disney proxy kind of missing here. She technically kind of loses mom for a while, but mom’s still there in a way also, it’s her faul happen. So is that. Is that a proper proxy? Are we, like, not really doing that in this movie? That’s a good question. I don’t I don’t know really how to answer that. Be. It’s not a full proxy because she’s still with her dad. She still has parental and authority figures that surround her throughout the entire course.

She never gets kidnapped. She never gets lost. The only time she loses her agency is when her mom takes her bow and throws it in the fire. And that is exactly what happens. Maybe that this is a movie that’s a warning to all parents. Hey, if you try. If you try and stop this Disney proxy that we got going on here, look and see what happens to Marita’s mom. Like, you don’t want to turn into a bear and then get shot by your husband, do you? Okay, well, then, capiche? Like, we don’t have an understanding. And I think the.

The motif of shape shifting is very interesting too. Like, in Japan, there’s also quite a bit of lore about beautiful women that could change into foxes and foxes into beautiful women. But also in traditional Celtic lore, as far as I know, shape shifting was quite a common motif. And even. Even I believe, into salmon. Salmon were a symbol of wisdom. And I just imagine this lore just started from one guy that woke up and the wife’s like, what is going? Or like, his buddies are like, what’s going on in here? Like, I swear she was a woman when we went to bed.

I don’t know what happened overnight. Well, that’s what Zeus was up to all the time, wasn’t he? You thought you were banging a God, and now he’s a cow. I think it was the other way around. So that he can bang you as a cow. Oh, something like that. Zeus was kinky. You know, his kinky. If you’re. If you’re still worshiping Zeus. I do like one of the clans. Here’s McGuffin. Just from a filmmaking point of view, you gotta do that. You know, they didn’t turn out to be the MacGuffin because they don’t have much to do with the story except they’re there.

But, you know, the shout out’s nice. I did. I had thinking also when she. They have the scene where Merida’s mom is talking to the king about what he wants to say. And it has Merida, you know, talking to nobody, but they cut it like they’re talking to each other. And I was thinking of the finger puppet scene from what About Bob? For some reason, where they have the puppets of the family and are talking to each other that way. Although I guess that is a psychological thing. Like, that’s how you go about it, you know.

Yeah. This is how you’re piecing together a conversation that otherwise wouldn’t happen. So this is a version of that more abstract version. Yeah. A little bit before that. They’re also eating their, their haggis, of course. Scott, have you done the haggis? I have, yeah. Usually that’s for special occasions. You know you’d have that for. In Australia growing up, we had like a burn site. It’s like Scotland’s national poet was Robbie Burns. They’d have like, I think it was January 25th, so the day before Australia Day and you’d have your, like your whiskey and your haggis and someone would recite poetry.

Mainly formal occasions. You had some vegemite for. For that in Australia. You know that. That was for breakfast. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. One, one, one more Scottish food I have to ask about. Did you do the deep fried pizza? I haven’t had that. My grandmother told me about like deep fried Mars bars. Like Snickers bars. That is a Glasgow specialty here. They do, yeah, yeah. Okay. I thought that was going to be like a euphemism for something really disgusting. But we’re just talking about deep fried pizza. It is disgusting when you deep fry a pizza. I get that.

But I mean you’re something like deep fried Mars bars. That’s. Oh, that’s just every like local fair in all of the United States. Yeah, well, my, my, my buddy from the UK said he had a deep fried pizza. He said the first bite is heaven and every other bite is hell. I see that. Yeah. That was his explanation. The deep fried pizza, you’d have your skull cracker beer, like I think it’s like 10 and skull cracker. I forget what percent it was, but yeah. Do they deep fry haggis? It’s basically in a sheep’s stomach. It’s kind of like tried brothel with teddies.

And can we just bread and dip that thing in some oil and call it a day? That I think usually that would be baked as far as I know. But in simpler and pure times, I guess. Yeah. Before the deep fryer, I want to get back to the witch a little bit and I’m just sitting there. We’ve talked about how we’ve seen more ceremonies in recent movies. Right. Where they’ll do the initiation ceremony here I feel like we’re watching her do pretty step by step alchemy stuff. I don’t know if they’re just showing stuff that looks cool or if there is something to that.

Well, the original story that this is based on which was Snow White and Red Rose. That one definitely feels like it has all sorts of alchemical tales woven into it. It’s. If. If there is an alchemical take on it, it’s a little bit out of scope for, like, the Dark Ages, because this would probably be like three or four hundred years after that. Some of these, like, alchemical rules start to kind of develop, but you’re not going to find it as much in year 450 in, like, Scotland. But the original time traveling. Boo. Well, yeah, if you’re a time traveling, you know, human from the future and you’re going to turn into a car eventually, there’s different rules to it.

In that original story you had, even though it was two girls, one of them represented a passive nature, another one represented an aggressive nature. And it’s like through the combination of these two opposites that they combine and they’re able to literally transform a bear into a person again. Because that original story, that. The Grimm’s Fairy Tales, that one also had this bear that was a, like a prince that transforms in different ways and they all have to, like, figure out how to find this philosopher’s stone in order to cause this transformation to happen. So, I mean, every other element of this story is pretty much all about alchemy and homunculi as normal.

So are we talking, sorry, Snow White and Red Rose? Is that like, like a completely different story than the Snow White we think of politically? I’m not familiar with this at all then. And the original names even, like, vary a tiny little bit in, like, the spelling. But. But it’s literally Snow White and Red Rose is the original story that was in the Grimm’s Fairy Tales about a prince that turns into a bear. And this one. Oh, I’m gonna botch the name, but there was another bear called, like, mortal or something or Mordul or. And he was this prince that gets turned into a bear, although he’s lost a bit of his humanity, and he turns into almost the bad bear.

In Brother Bear, right? The first one that they all go in and attack, that looks like this big evil guy. That’s the prince in this one. But in the original story of Snow White and. And Rose Red, that bear that turns into a prince gets transformed back again after they kill the witch. Or in that case, it was a dwarf. They. They run into a dwarf that has the same magical skills and properties as this witch does. So if. If in Brave, they kill the witch and then the mom gets restored back to her original form and the Prince does.

That would almost be like a one for one retelling of the Grimm’s version. Did she give her mom a cake of light? Crowley. Right. Yeah. Wow. Just because there’s a pastry there, which I also could go wr a sliver of it so the. The. The triplets eat the rest, which I. That. That was fun. It’s. It’s interesting too. I was surprised because actually, last night was the first time I’d really seen Brave all by myself because I’d had it on when the kids were watching it and I’d never really listened to it. I was busy cooking and drinking at the same time.

But. But actually I was surprised. Like, the witch is actually in Scottish Gaelic band that the witch is actually quite a benevolent character in the long run. Her advice is dead on. Like, you know, she’s still serving up monkey paws, though, isn’t she? Or bear neutral, though. She seems new. She seems like she’s not necessarily set. Like trying to trick anyone into doing anything. If anything, it’s. It’s really Merida’s fault for not asking more about what this thing’s gonna do. And. But. And I guess that makes sense because if it’s Boo, then Boo is neutral. Boo just wants to get back to Sully.

And it’s interesting, too, the willow, the wisps would be like, is it she like the fairies? Maybe, or like swamp gas or bog gas. But I think traditional belief had it where that could be beneficial or it could be harmful. It could lead the traveler astray, or it could actually lead them onto the hero’s journey, which I think it does a little bit of both, but it’s kind of interesting. Like little mermaids, almost like a mermaid could lead you astray or it could end up helping you as long as you don’t get sucked into the novelty of it.

Oh, here’s Disney doing both again. At the disneysea park, we’ve got Sinbad Storybook Adventures, which when it opened, was like the evil hell version of It’s a Small World World. You see Sinbad leave his town. The. The mermaids are crashing a ship to shore. His crew’s trying to steal things or getting beat up by ogres. The ride’s not very successful, so it goes down for about six months. It comes back now it has a soaring Alan Menken song. Sinbad’s facial hair is no longer there. He has a cute tiger that is now his crew. And he goes around helping everyone.

He helps the ogre, now he helps the mermaids. And it’s. It’s it’s fun. The ride’s fun both ways. But it’s interesting that they took. They did a more authentic version of Sinbad because Sinbad was an absolute bastard. Right. And then I’m like, ah, let’s. Let’s just make it pure Disney magic. And you know, now it’s. It’s. It’s kind of like this emotionally soaring ride, you know, more than soaring. So just, just for, you know, like. And Brave is seen. It does seem like it. I mean, even though it got one director down the line who apparently took a.

It said that the guy who took over after Chapman basically erased some of the magical elements and gave Merida more emotional turmoil is what they claimed were the changes. Yeah, the. The trauma starts early. Right? That’s. That’s interesting. I think in this case it really worked out. I was surprised just how much I enjoyed Brave, maybe a little bit what yourselves were saying. But I do feel like more forgotten Pixar films though. Like, people don’t think about this one much anymore, you know, and it is. It. Because it’s a little more just like, you know, like darkish.

It doesn’t have that. It doesn’t have the proxy thing going, which maybe people unconsciously are looking for when they’re watching a Disney movie. It’s part of the formula that makes them all their money. So I think not doing the Disney proxy in a Disney movie is them shooting themselves in the foot. But again, this. This is the same way that some of Disney’s earlier movies, like he had to put the work in now so that it pays out later. So like, like initiation rituals are not cheap. Right? And initiation ritual is not the end. It’s just the beginning.

But if you don’t do it properly, you don’t get all the results that come after that. The other part of it too is that if they went in and they removed some of that magical feel to it, there is kind of like a. If you get into like the technical aspects of this, there’s like one of these rules that, that if you’re doing something animated in cartoon form or in 3D form, then now you have unlimited budget. And I mean that in a way that if you’re trying to shoot an actual real life film and someone’s like, I want the.

The entire earth to explode and you know, like, like aliens fly out of the middle. Now all of a sudden, if you have to do that in practical effects or you have to recreate that, that’s not possible. But in a 3D world, you can come up with anything. They could have come up with, you know, like a rainbow ice palace or something, which would have been incredible spectacle in order to see. But in this movie, they’re very tempered. Like, they’re very restrained on how over the top. In fact, the most magical parts in this whole movie are seeing the little will.

The wisps, which is like little blue glowing orbs that go in and out. And then when we see the witch, she just has, like a cauldron, and they can pour different concoctions into the cauldron, and it kind of shows up like the big head in Power Rangers or whatever like that. But outside of that, there’s not a lot of, like, fantastical, supernatural, magical, animated moments. Everything else kind of has a very realistic look to it. Well, let’s not forget the cauldron also serves as an answering machine, which is. It’s mundane magic, but counts as magic. Coolest part of the whole movie, in my opinion, too.

Oh, yeah, it was fantastic. But I was like, oh, that’s so mundane. You don’t. It’s. It’s not magical because you’re like, it’s an answering machine, but you’re. In this case, it is magical, isn’t it? I think. Yeah. One of my kids was talking to me at the same time. I couldn’t quite catch all of it, but I think it sounded like on. If you press button 4 or something like that, you can get Scottish Gaelic or garlic, as they say. Yeah, it was kind of interesting. Wow. And then she just pours them all in and explodes.

Well, that’s. That’s what we’re always trying to do. It reminded me a bit of the scene of Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy, the movie form, I think, where I think their ship, the protagonists, want to land on the planet Magrathea, and they get, like, a warning from the planetary hosts that missiles are coming their way. And you have that sort of. It’s very visually similar. It’s really cool, though. The missiles are your first warning. Yes. It sounds like a phone call or a phone message. Other notes, there is a mention to a Wicker man festival in here, which certainly caught my attention, the 1970 version of that movie.

So you always have to put that qualifier on it, now, don’t you? I missed that. Where. Where was the reference to Wicker man in this movie? That was on. I think the witch said she was going to a Wicker Man Festival in Stornoway. Stornoway is an island. Okay. So there was like, a burning Man Joke a little bit. Okay. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. Well, the Wicker Man’s a little more sacrificial. Right. Because we’re gonna put a dude in when we burn it. It’s honestly the same thing. It’s. It’s. The Burning man ritual is just the Silicon Valley version of the Wicker man ritual.

Yes. Yeah. Sacrificial. But also prisoners would be put in that and burned. Yeah. Burned alive. Who would sometimes. Prisoners of war back in the day or criminals or just. Yeah, well, in the movie, though, I mean, I’m just going. The Wicker man movie, aren’t they like. That could just be the movie, but they’re just like, oh, you have to come here willingly or something. Right. Wasn’t that part of the thing, that the police officer came to the island willingly, so he. He walked into it himself? Right. Are those Bohemian Grove rules, too? I think so, yes.

I mean, you’ve seen this movie. Yeah. Oh, me? I know. You see, I sent it to you, Thomas. Thank you, Wickerman. Oh, yeah, yeah. The original. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That’s what I’m getting at. Okay. Just making sure, because I was like, not the masterpiece, Nicholas Cage version with the bees. The original one. You just watched the cut scene with the bees and you’re good with that one. And he does just go around punching women, which is weird to watch. I wrote in here. Crazy Nicholas Cage. Right? It’s crazy in the wrong way. It’s not the right.

Like, Port of New Orleans, color out space. Crazy Nick Cage, you know, that’s bad. Pretending to cage the correct way. Yeah. Sanity challenge. Yeah. I got the note here. How does a bear eat in the woods? Which apparently is with a tablecloth and a fork and a knife. So I was happy to see that. It’s like they visually made the joke, but I had to, like, you know, do it in my head. No one said it on screen, which I appreciated. I assumed that was what I was supposed to be thinking there. I guess we need to talk about stone circles.

Those show up a fair amount in here. Yeah, that’s. That’s Kalinesh. I think it’s based. One of them is the big one’s based on Kalinesh, which is on the western islands. And that’s a very well known one. Well known site. Okay. I was wondering, because I was like, well, obviously this isn’t like, you know, dumb Americans were like, Stonehenge. And then like. And obviously it’s not Stonehenge because we’re in Scotland. It may be older, but. Yeah. That’s what I was thinking. Like, I studied archaeology formally, and when parts of this, like, I guess one stone piece fell onto the bear.

Sorry. I’m thinking. Oh, gosh. Yeah. That’s a bit of a sacrilege there. Oh. Watching things crumble. Okay. So. Yeah, I’m trying to think of. So you don’t. You can’t watch Indiana Jones movies where Indiana Jones’s superpower is visiting a site and then instantly destroying it, even if he doesn’t do it himself. Imperialism. Yeah. I mean, it’s good. It’s good trash, but I mean, it’s. Yeah. Belongs in the museum. Yeah. See, I can’t relate to this at all in America because, like, all we’ve got, like, the Georgia guidestones, someone blew up. But otherwise, every one of the American, like.

Like huge monuments are really just things that we’ve desecrated that were even cooler than the thing that we put up instead of it. Right. So, like, our way of honoring things is by destroying things. Things. Right. Gotta build that parking lot. Who cares about a mound, right? Yeah. Like Moundville. And is it. And I think some of those are still left. Right. In Missouri and places few. It’s like. Like 10% or less of those. Yeah. Like Serpent Mound or something. Yeah. In Georgia, we had the Etawah Mounds. So that I went there a few times. Not as a kid, not really knowing what they were.

So. I know in Australia, too, we’ve been guilty. Well, not, you know, like, our. Not my people, but, you know, we’ve. You know, we’ve still effed up. I mean, they’re not using it anymore. Let’s be honest. They’re not using it. Ceremonial ground. It’s like. Yeah, we need a football field there instead. Okay. We’ve got our priorities. Oh, God. Primal. If I want. Looks like it’s fun to climb. What happens, though, in like, a thousand years after, like, the rapture and everything, and whoever doesn’t get taken and they come across a Walmart parking lot and they’re like, we need to preserve this.

This must be some sort of important, you know, like, ritual station. So, like, we need to make sure that no one touches this. And it’s just like a Walmart parking lot. Yeah. Because people back then were more spiritual than us now, you know. So what’s up? You know. Yeah. In. In archaeology, we used to call it, like, afr. If we’d find any rock, we didn’t know what it’s called. We just call it, like, ceremonial or any rock, which is. We really don’t know, but, but ceremonial is what people would call something they had no idea it was.

Right, right. The pyramids must be ceremonial. What else would they be for, you know? Yeah, just. You’re building that for a body. You got any other rabbit holes you want to tear off and jump into? I was just thinking, oh, sorry, please. No, no, you. No, please. I was just having a look at my notes. I just noticed one thing that came off the bat when I first put on the, the DVD last night was thanks Matt for saying that. But was a lot of the, the words gobble, gobble came up a lot. You know, like I’m going to gobble you up, the mother says to the daughter.

And these, Everything seems to be about the, the basic function of like someone’s killing but also eating. The function of eating. I thought that was a big, big theme. Which leads on quite nicely to the bear motif and the rabbit. How about collywobbles? I was going to actually mention that exact same thing about the, the gobble because a, it’s a, it’s a little bit of a foreshadowing because the mom turns into a bear, which is, is the thing that would end up gobbling her up. Especially if it transfers over that second day if she doesn’t break the spell.

And it sounds like the mom would be permanent, but I think that since we see more dual, more or whatever his name, the prince, you can see that once it becomes permanent, you lose your humanity. So the mom really was potentially going to gobble up her own daughter and the only thing that might have stopped her is that her dad would have shot the mom in front of the daughter and the daughter caused all this. So again, it’s really deep at how tragic this potentially could have played out versus everything else. And then speaking of that gobble part at the very beginning of this movie, I always liked using this as a reference to go on a tangent about cute aggression, which is one of the most fascinating things ever.

This is when people are like, oh my God, you’re so cute, I could just gobble you up. Or when old ladies pinch the cheeks of little babies or like just do things that are aggressive. Some people will consider like, I love my dog so much I want to smother them to death. You know what I mean? Like this idea, and this is something called cute aggression and the way that it’s been researched and explained by modern Rockefeller scientists is that deep down there is a evolutionary self preservation instinct that tells you to harm your own offspring just so that when you Go to consider actually doing it outside of this, like, impulsive voice, that every other part of your brain and body is like, whoa, no, no, no.

I need to protect them. And it’s almost like this recalibration thing that like, like, keeps you in the game. And cute aggression is a version of that. It really does mean, like, I love this thing so much I want to suffocate it. Like, I. I can’t remember if this was a Reservoir Dogs reference or there was like a movie where someone gets served the meal that’s so good, and he’s like, I have to go and kill the chef. Like, this is so good. I just need a murder. Whoever created this, they can’t be out here making stuff that’s good, good.

And it’s just another version of that cute aggression principle, which is another thing is like the intrusive thoughts. Like, you’re in. I don’t know if this is just me. Like, you’re in a car as a kid. You’re like, I could just open this door and jump out. We’re going 70 off a bridge. Like, I could just open this door right now. And then, like, part of you gets thrilled by the concept of it. But then every other self preservation aspect is like, don’t do that. Like, everything’s. Maybe you lock the door and you like, put your hand in your pocket or something.

So. So that is the principle of cute aggression. And it’s interesting to see it come up in Disney movies. I think I mentioned here before, the reason the Cookie Monster just stays here now is because when I take him to work, what’s the first thing kids do? Attack him and go for the ping pong. Eyeballs. I’m like, eyeballs are going to get broken if I keep doing this. So he’s been hanging out here more and I just think of the Billboard comedy routine about the difference between being a maniac and a psychopath or something. It’s like, yeah, of course I think about driving down the sidewalk, plowing along, you know, everyone.

The difference is I don’t do it right. But we got Grand Theft Auto now. Oh, right, we’re doing Grand Theft Auto. That’s the whole point of the game. Five stars. You need helicopters after you. If a helicopter is not chasing you, you are failing at the game. Name one other. Name a. Name a game where getting more stars is a bad thing. There’s none. Every single game that’s ever been created, getting more stars is a good thing. Oh, timing game. So I was like, I was thinking when I do timing games because sometimes the kid that decides he’s gonna take a minute when it only takes 20 seconds, like, I win because I have the biggest number.

So then I have to rank it and put, no, you’re number six out of six. Sorry, dude. And then part I do it partly to myself because since I’m, you know, the grown teacher, I have to do something stupid. So I’ll just do something like. Like sprinting, like, in place almost for a while just to, you know, look stupid and make the kids giggle. But then, of course, another kid has to do it too. So it’s, you know, you. That’s the thing. If you do it, then the kid does it. You can’t get too annoyed with them because you.

You just did it. I was thinking another theme, just going back to the film was like, mending the bond. It’s kind of like, you know, like you said too, like, with acute aggression, it’s like healing that generational trauma. Like things that could be really toxic and negative and passed out from generation to generation. I think a lot of power in this movie is actually breaking that cycle, which is when they make it seem like it’s gonna be a physical thing for so long. It’s this tapestry. So once it’s mended, everything will be okay. Where it is more of a, you know, like, emotional slash relationship thing.

Right? Yeah. Because actually, also with the Scottish setting too, because a lot of the. The family unit clan violence, like, on a community scale was. Was passed down generation to generation. They’re not kidding there. Like, there was one, if you’re interested, like, just a quick bit of potted history. There was a battle called Battle of the North Inch, and it was in the Scottish Highlands. I think it was 13, the 1300s. There was just so much clan violence between these groups. Clan Shatton. And I forget the other one. But anyway, they had to square off. They chose 30 of the best men on each side.

And with King Robert III of Scotland watching and smothers, they would fight down to the last man. And just to sort out this difference because it had just been going on for so long, this is perpetual battle royale. Kind of. Yeah. I think on the one side, only one guy survived by just swinging across the river, but everyone else was killed. So I think only 19 survivors out of the six. Tasty, but. Yeah, but that sort of issue is like trying to break that cycle of violence which would otherwise just perpetuate. Yeah. Bit heavy, but sorry about that.

That’s maybe what the movie alludes to. Oh, yeah. They do allude to a great. Like all these guys, like, apparently they had all bought. The clans had bonded because of some horrific act of violence which I. I think I picked up on them finally resisting the Romans. It was. What. Yeah, I got confused about the date wall. The Romans built Hadrian’s Wall in Northern England or I guess Northumbria. Like it’s the northern part. Before England was England and Scotland and Scotland, but basically to keep out the Scottish tribes, the Scots or the. The Gales or the Picts.

Yeah. So maybe this is around the time that was built. That’s why I’m just like really confused about the. The dates here. Partly because I don’t, you know, I get. And it is a bit of a mishmash. Like they have, I think, compressed like 800 years, probably in just a movie. What gets it better? This or Braveheart? Braveheart notoriously stumbles most of it. So I think some of. Yeah, I saw. Yeah, yeah, I saw Braveheart actually when I was in Ireland and that was quite. Experience a lot of cheering going on. But. But yeah, you know, I.

I’d say they both had the hits and misses. I think maybe Braveheart maybe sums up the zeitgeist of the time about Scottish independence. But William Wallace was a historical person. But. Yeah, although this is Mel Gibson’s. William was. But something doesn’t happen in Brave. He keeps screaming freedom. And that doesn’t really mean anything at that time and place. I think. Yeah, I think with, you know, Mel Gibson’s acting and directing, he always needs a real bad guy. You know, when there is a bad guy, you really gotta hate that bad guy. Oh yeah. Patrick is so great as a bad guy in there.

He seems like he’s like in a different movie, which is maybe even a better movie. But in Braveheart 2, the blue body paint is apparently out of time period. So it’s okay. And Brave, right? It works in Brave. It doesn’t work in Brave. And not just that, but the. It wasn’t. I guess from what I understand, it wasn’t body paint. It was actually tattoos. Usually that someone would get the blue tattoos all over their body and that this is what like made them obviously a warrior. Like, they didn’t just like wipe it off and this. One of the theories on why they were called the picks was because they had these pictures on their skin.

So that’s what denoted them. It was like the tattooed ones as like one of the examples of like this picked. And the. The picks had a very matriarchal society. They Actually operated under these rules where you would have to come in and win the hand of a daughter in order to take over an area of kingdom. Like they did not have a patriarchy, which was another thing that put them at odds with say like Roman culture and a lot of the other surrounding cultures. This was a dying breed by a lot of different sort of perspectives.

It’s kind of interesting. Aren’t there Maori basically doing the same thing on like the exact opposite end of the globe, like warrior tattoos. I mean it’s just kind of fascinating. I, I guess there are, you know, you can get into Graham Hancock stuff where you got a connection there or something. Or was it. Oh, what is the. What is the way Northern Stella Bray. That’s what I’m thinking of. Yeah. Scarab Bray. Scarab Bray. Thank you. It’s been a little while since I thought about it but you know, like. Yeah, just interesting connect world connections like that.

Yeah. Because I think some of the, the four tribes. Yeah. I mean you’ve got the P depicted there and also maybe some guy that looks almost Viking ish. So also what a lot of the. Yeah, he looked like he had just stepped out of how to train your dragon, which I think came out like a year earlier. I mean he looks almost exactly like one of the characters from that movie. And I think they’re allowed to compress 800 years because again we see a pizza delivery truck as well, right? Yeah, yeah. Next to the Thinker too.

It was like Redan’s Thinker or something. It was like I couldn’t get it in my, my screenshot there. But there’s actually the Thinker next to. There is the, There is the Pixar thing of you will always see something about the next movie and we’re a little out of order. But Pixar wise, the next movie is cars too. So you’re seeing this car, right? Like the movie. I think in Up. I guess you see you briefly see a lot so bear somewhere in the movie or something. So they always do put something from the next movie in the previous movie.

Which, which is what that is. But yeah, and then you put Godin and they’re the Thinker as well. So that is. That’s where that brew theory does kind of like, you know, that’s one of the more fun things about that Pixar timeline. You know. Also I feel that that means the witch in this movie, which by the way, like we never get her name. She’s just the witch. The witch is probably hanging out with Merlin from Sword in the stone because he also time travels. Yeah, yeah. There’s that whole once and future king thing. Like you get magical enough and now you live through time in the opposite direction.

You know, they probably cross paths every once in a while. He’s probably given her some sort of horrible st or whatever he did to the. The witch. In Sword in the Stone they had a three way with the genie from Aladdin. He got that from. Yeah, Just think of another magical creature. It seems to trans. I mean, he know he can do all his impressions from the future. Right. So. And here. So hold on. Oh yeah. Actually it’s a little bit of a factoid. I was just researching just out of curiosity, at least according Wikipedia. Thanks Wiki.

But bears were said to have gone extinct about 900 to 1000 years contemporary era. So I guess when they were existing in Merida’s time, that would have been the last. The last of the bears in that part of the world. I was just like, bears aren’t extinct, man. I saw a bear at the zoo. That was another one of the fan theories that I came across was that that the witch. This isn’t unrelated to the Boo being the witch time travel stuff, but that the witch perhaps was trying to turn everyone into bears because they had been over hunted and the only way to bring them out of extinction was like she saw this all happening.

Is that like, well, I got to turn those three kids and that mom into a bear. And that prince, he’s going to be a bear too, because otherwise there are no bears. So really she was a conservationist. Do your duty, be a bear. Which is an interesting motif. Like witches can be like, you know, the white or the dark magic, you know, so it’s. I think she’s a little bit of both. I quite find her character really fascinating. Just for another quick theme park here we do have this change. Mend the Ben. Sorry. Mend the bond torn by pride.

I mean if that’s a Hallmark card, sort of, you know, sort of homily that makes. That holds water. We got the Teddy Roosevelt Lounge in Tokyo, which is like it’s at the front of their fake boat or whatever and it’s, you know, rich mahogany and lots of Teddy Roosevelt and lots of bear carvings. Got the country bears there. There are more bears than we think about, you know, generally with Disney. This is in Disney Sea or Disney Japan. They’ve got a tony Teddy Roosevelt River Room. This is in the sea, in Disney Sea. So it’s like, why? Why is it.

And it’s not like Teddy Roosevelt has any particular connection to Japan, unless it’s just like he was a president 100 years prior. So let’s do him. But yeah, yeah. I mean, he’s also like stereotypical like ruffian American, rough ride. So it’s a, like a step maybe elevated from cowboy. I mean, it’s not as insulting as just straight cowboy. Also, Teddy Roosevelt documented stories that he heard about Bigfoot. So I think that now there’s like, we’ve got our foot in the door for Japan to accept American Bigfoot through Teddy Roosevelt. Right. So. And they’re spraying that in Japan.

But I was just thinking that there’s so many bears in the parks, which I guess bears are cute to a certain extent. Let’s think bears are what, you know, cute and murderous if you, if you piss them off. So I shouldn’t say murderous or just. Just death dealing. There we go. I think murder suggests intent, whereas an animal doesn’t have intent, as we see from the Mor’du Bear. Because that was an interesting showdown. Mordu versus Meredith’s mother. Because, you know, you had like the unbridled instinct and lusts that are just out of control and you had the ones that were sort of semi harnessed and I think that’s a good.

Or. Once mom gets into that, does the bear take over? It’s not quite clear how the bear takes over. It seems to be in waves is what they’re suggesting. But. But if it weren’t for human intervention, raw nature would have won. Right. We get the impression that mom would have succumbed to the raw power of nature because Merida comes in and has to save her like one or two times. Right. But it’s like. Because, yeah, she seems to like, like lose today, turn, then come back a little bit. It’s interesting how. Because usually in a movie it’s like, here’s the switch, right? It’s interesting.

His chamber loses powers and then go back in, you know, to get him back. It’s, you know, and rightly or wrongly, like with cloning now too, we’re able to bring back the. The direwolf, you know, died out during the Ice Age or something. And just recently they’ve raised cubs. Jurassic park opening next week, pretty much. Yeah. I think the Tasmanian tiger’s next, which is a wolf, actually kind of a wolf or closer to a wolf. We’ve got people’s attention when they do the dodo. I just want like a brontosaurus burger. Like, I want a Flynn, like a true Flintstones meal.

Use them as a slide of course. Then that looks fun. Is there anything else we want to dive into on Brave? Just have a squiz at my notes. I was just surprised how much I was moved by it. I didn’t really have any expectations because I’m, you know, with the kids at home, I’m always being exposed to various Pixar or Disney productions, which is not a bad thing. But I don’t resonate with some of them. But I really, I was really surprised how much I enjoyed this. This one has a couple interesting, like, cathartic moments through the movie, which I don’t know if this is insidious or deep or what, but it definitely lets a kid go through the motions and emotions of lashing out and rebelling from their parents and getting in trouble for it.

And then also the. The parents perspective of they feel horrible that they’ve. Again, in this one, she took away her daughter’s agency by burning her bow. But the bow was this thing that was very important to her that her dad made for her. Like, this is like a big deal if your mom came in and just threw out your favorite thing that you’ve been living with for 10 years and it’s just in the fire now and you’re like, well, screw you, mom, and I hate you and I’m running out of here here. This lets kids in the audience with their parents next to them go through these motions.

Like they get to, in their mind, rebel against mom and then feel bad about it and then fight with her and then make up and then mom’s all better now again. And I think that’s. It’s weird to put a young audience through those motions. Especially there’s a non zero number of kids that went and saw this that were not rebellious or like, it was so deep down barrier, married. And now you see Brave and it like brings it up to the surface a little bit. And I don’t. I’m not saying that’s a good or a bad thing, but it’s interesting that Brave might have caused like actual rebellion in kids against their parents because now they just saw it modeled in front of them in this socially acceptable, commercially viable way.

Right? So this is Disney telling you, like, hey, kids, here’s what’s normal. Here’s normal behavior. Like you can rebel against your parents. Look, we’re showing you how to do it because you can almost trace Disney movies where there’s always a little bit of an adventure where the kid goes out. But again, since this one lacks the Disney proxy, she’s not venturing out into the wilderness to find her way back to her parents. This is all about, like, her rebellion. So I think that there’s like a weird Aesops fable for both the kids and the parents in here.

Is this the only Disney movie where that’s basically in one location? I mean, the witch’s cottage is the second location, but it seems to close and the entire movie just takes place right there. I’m trying to think anything else that just takes place in Robin Hood. Maybe you could say Robin Hood kind of. I mean, there’s a lot of locations within, you know, the. The forest. I feel like this one’s even more insular than that. Like, it just really seems to be castle and witch’s cottage. And witch’s cottage seems to be pretty close to the castle.

Whereas I guess how it was back then too. Like, people didn’t really have the. The freedom or the means to travel around. Right. Because it would have been a big deal that all the other clans are coming, but as far as the crow flies, they’re probably not that far away. Have another example was the original Snow White. The original Snow White was fairly insular. Right. That was popping in my head. But I feel like the dwarves cottage is still like. I feel like the witch’s cottage is right there in Brave, where the dwarves are at least, you know, know have some insular between them and the.

The evil Queen. But the witch’s cottage almost feels interdimensional because she rides into where that stone formation is, and then she’s at the witch’s cottage. She talks to the witch, and then when she turns, she leaves. She turns back around and she’s already in the middle of that stone formation again. So this is almost like one of those weird, like, magical forests in Zelda where like, you keep going wing, like to the left over and over and over again, and eventually you’re here, but, like, you can’t find your way back as easily. Yeah. Which again, that.

That ties back in with the monster stuff with ink, with all the, you know, who knows where the door is? And the technology goes a little farther. Where do you end up, you know? Yeah. The wisps are the prototypes for the doors in Monsters, Inc. Right. Or maybe they are the prototype monsters for all we know. You know, they. Maybe the wisps evolve into the monsters. I feel the bear is the prototype monster there. Okay, that makes. I was. I was. As I was saying, I was like, I’m stretching the taffy too much there. Anyway, so this.

There’s just one last Motif that was interesting like with the death of. Or the potential death of the Merida’s mother as the bear, as the sun was rising. I think there’s. And she transforms back into a reborn version of her mother. Like an upgrade if you will. But it’s kind of like the theme of death and rebirth which is also kind of like a Celtic theme too because they believed in, I guess believed in reincarnation that let’s say or that was not a foreign concept to them in their worldview. She also comes. Merida’s mom comes back and she’s got gray hair.

And I was wondering is that like another thing like, like a nod to the parents? Like yeah, your kids are gonna give you gray hair here. Well, I imagine turning into a baron back is somewhat traumatic. I also thought it was funny how much of a big deal that they made that oh I’m exposed, I’m naked. Which she was. But she also is. Had a really thick blanket around her. Like there was clearly nothing improper. Is being shown in, in our Pixar movie. You know, except for the kilt raising with some of the older dudes there.

Right, right. But you, you, you see that from the, from the front right. Where the people behind are going to see the bunch of behind and. And there was a couple I thought funny like well done subtle jokes in here for the parents where anytime Merida’s parents are together you, you see the dad like scooch up close to the mom and then she’s just like, like you can, you know that off camera she’s getting goosed by dad. Like dad just like grabbed her ass or more Right. And she’s like laughing about. They’re always ready to go at a moment’s notice in this movie which is done in sort of like a tasteful but also not pedantic way which was.

Is interesting to see like it was masterfully done how pervy the dad was without being pervy creepy. For a Disney movie it’s good to be the king, that sort of thing. I suppose I was also the thing though with the sun rising and they say two she. The second sunrise was the second sunrise. Sunrise initiations would be the third sunrise or is a three day second sunrise. How’s that work? I’m thinking the, the pyramid initiation. This is like a hotel check in checkout sort of math. Yeah. Yeah. Well I’m. I’m thinking about like the idea that the, the pyramids were initiation machine.

Like that’s one of the theories. Right. So. And that you would come out like on the third morning or the second morning. Some. I was just thinking like she’s had her enlightening experience and now she’s a human again. Right, right. So. And you’re supposed to. That’s. Have a symbolic death as part of that ceremony. So I was. Yeah. Seeing if that globbed on it all. But I do think maybe you need an extra day for that to really work. Well, may. Maybe the ritual involved the second son. Meaning that it only took place after you acknowledge like the artificial.

Like initiation. Right. Because the second son’s the fake sun. Because coming out of all this, is mom going to be the mo. The person who has actually had the most of narc? Does he. She had the most change in this movie because Merida is. She’s asserted her independence more, but she’s more or less in the same spot she was where mom has definitely had a paradigm shift in her perception. I don’t mean. I mean almost murdering your mom and then watching your dad almost murder your mom, that’s traumatic too. It is. I’m just saying. But she.

Mom’s having the actual experience. She’s having the visceral experience of becoming a bear, going feral, having your husband almost shoot you. Where merit is watching and feeling guilty about it. Still traumatic, but maybe not quite as, you know, mind expanding. That much transformation should be mind expanding, I think. Right. That could be a good guilt trip. That she might have actually self discovered Catholicism throughout that process. Yeah. Because mom doesn’t have anything to feel particularly guilty about trying to burn the boat. She threw the bow in the fire. But she also got immediately reprimanded for that.

Like. Like she met the consequences of her actions. But the rest of the movie, you’re waiting to see what consequences Merida has to deal with. And ultimately not really anything like the guilt and the fear that something might go wrong. But at the end, this is one of those happily ever after kind of stories. Like it’s missing the tragedy. I mean, it’s like season seven of a sitcom. Right. When they’re really stretching for stories so they. They go with this one for an episode. Invades the Urkell universe. Yeah. Cousin Oliver shows up also. The mother might have had some regrets about her past, maybe in wishing that she sort of maybe said no sometimes and forged her way.

But maybe it’s a reconciling of that to. She’s about three triplets. Too late for that one. I guess we’ll wrap this one up for today then. Be brave about it. Scott, you got something to plug Is your. Is your book still on Amazon? There’s something I’ll plug. Yeah. What was it called? Yeah, it’s. It’s called. I. I’m not much of a promoter, but yeah, it’s. It’s under my name. It’s called Capering with Ta. Taw. Capering with Ta. And it’s a pretty interesting trip. It’s. And thanks for having us on too. My great. Well, my grandmother used to say, but the world will pass away, but music and love shall last forever.

It was a pleasure to meet you. Also a paranoid American. It’s a real pleasure and it’s always. Matt. It’s a great chat too. I appreciate that. It was awesome having you on here, Scott. Here. Let’s help Scott promote his book a little bit too. I hear that it was banned in over 80 countries and that you can go to jail in North Korea for even possessing it. So. Turn you into a bear. Yeah. If you. If you want to know why this has been banned in so many countries, you should just take a look at it.

We’ll have a link in the description. How many countries is your stuff banned in now? Just. Just all the good ones. Okay. Hope to see you in Japan sometime too. Back in Japan, right? Yeah. Never. No, I’ve never been to Japan. A country with a different country. Yeah. Yes, yes. But. Oh wow. It’s a real pleasure radio. Okay. Well, yeah. What’s up in your hoopty, I guess these days, man? I’ve got a whole bunch of different projects as always going on. One of the ones that I’m just starting to revisit is a comic called Mold. And you can go to moldcomic.com and you can sign up to figure out when it is going to get released.

It’s a. I’m gonna do all four episodes of it up front and then release it as like a trade or individual. It is about a true story about a lunch lady that I knew growing up in high school named Norma that was absolutely tormented and tortured by like the horrible kids at the school. And in the comic book version, Norma gets a sentient toenail fungus that helps her exact revenge on all of these kids and then finds out that some of them are actually shape shifting reptilians and that the sentient toenail fungus is actually from a huge global mycelium intelligence that’s been fighting the reptilians.

So any of that sounds mildly interesting. That’ll be the premise of moldcomic.com on my end. I guess I should plug today that Scott and I have been making music for years. I can’t write lyrics anymore because I just have Scott send me lyrics and that. And we have albums upon albums of folk rock, psychedelic rock, ambient stuff. That’s a roving sage media.bangkamp.com Just you know, look at the album covers and choose the one that speaks to you. I guess we kind of live a lot of the stuff we write and sing about. So yeah it’s. We’re being brave.

That’s what we’re doing. Being brave about it. Machine. That’d be my initiation machine. That’s actually a great album title Initiation Machine maybe for anyone that’s that likes the the occult Disney theme song Props to Scott and if you like the the upcoming cartoon cabal theme song that just let the cat out of the bag also. Scott, right? Yes. Yes. One morning I think it’s around 4:30am Just a few days ago just just came to me. So yeah. Thanks to the. Thank you so much. A real honor to to be on too just once again thank you both so much.

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