OCCULT DISNEY MOVIE REVIEW (1930s2012) – Occult Symbols Hidden Meanings

➡ Welcome to the 100th episode of the Occult Disney podcast, where we discuss the hidden meanings in Disney movies. In this episode, we reflect on all the Disney films we’ve reviewed up to 2012, sharing our thoughts and insights. We also discuss our personal experiences, like visiting Disneyland and how the podcast has influenced our lives. Lastly, we debate which Disney movie is the best in terms of occultism and hidden knowledge, with Snow White and Tangled being top contenders.
➡ The story of Snow White might be based on historical facts from the 16th and 18th centuries. It’s believed that the seven dwarfs were inspired by children who worked in mines, and the poisoned princess was based on a German countess who was poisoned. The talking mirror could be linked to an acoustic mirror from a museum in Bavaria. These elements, which seem like Disney magic, might actually be based on real events.
➡ The text discusses various Disney movies, including Atlantis, Treasure Planet, Recess, Teacher’s Pet, and Brother Bear, among others. The author shares their thoughts on each film, noting elements like plot, color palette, and themes. They also mention the shift in Disney’s narrative from celebrating human consciousness to portraying humans as threats to nature. The text ends with a discussion on Pixar’s independent projects like Ratatouille, Wally, and Up.
➡ The speaker discusses their journey of watching and analyzing Disney movies, noting how they’ve learned about history and various topics through these films. They mention how Disney movies could potentially be used for good, providing insight and knowledge to viewers. However, they also express skepticism about whether Disney as a company is actually using its influence for positive change.
➡ The speaker discusses their optimism for corporations like Disney and Facebook to potentially use their resources for the betterment of humanity, despite doubts. They also share a personal memory triggered by Disney, and mention their own merchandise available at paranoidamerican.com. They talk about their various podcasts, including one about Disney and another about non-Disney cartoons. Lastly, they promote a comic about Stanley Kubrick and the Apollo space missions available at nasacomic.com.
➡ The text discusses the formula Disney uses in its movies: a child experiences trauma, a new character (intellectual property) is introduced, this character saves the child, and then this character is sold as merchandise. This formula is seen in many Disney movies, but there are exceptions. The text also discusses how this formula has evolved over time, with Pixar movies adding new twists. The discussion ends with a consideration of older Disney movies and whether they should be revisited in future discussions.
➡ The speaker discusses various Disney movies, including “Song of the South,” “The Princess and the Frog,” “Make My Music,” “Fun and Fancy Free,” “Melody Time,” “Pinocchio,” and “Dumbo.” They mention the controversies and interpretations of these films, such as racial issues in “Song of the South” and potential political messages in “Pinocchio.” They also talk about their personal favorites and the cultural impact of these movies.
➡ The text discusses various Disney movies, highlighting the recurring themes of gender roles, romantic interests, and the portrayal of villains. It notes how these films often introduce children to complex adult scenarios, using characters like Cruella De Vil as a metaphor for real-world dangers. The text also critiques the lack of depth in some films, such as Sleeping Beauty, and the harmful effects of gaslighting in Mary Poppins. Lastly, it mentions how Walt Disney’s involvement in the films decreased over time.
➡ The speaker discusses various Disney movies, noting how they often soften harsh realities, like child labor in chimney sweeping, and how magic is often used for mundane tasks like cleaning. They also mention a trend of characters eating bugs, starting with Jungle Book, and speculate it might be a way to prepare audiences for a future where bugs are part of the diet. They end by listing Disney movies from the 70s and expressing regret for skipping some.
➡ The text discusses various Disney movies, including Aristocats, Rescuers, and Robin Hood, noting their unique characteristics and impact. The author also mentions adult content being snuck into a Disney movie and the influence of Disney’s Robin Hood on the furry community. The text also touches on other films like Bed Knobs and Broomsticks, and the works of Mel Brooks. The author shares personal experiences and opinions about these movies.
➡ The text discusses various Disney movies, focusing on Robin Hood, History of the World, and Winnie the Pooh series. It highlights the themes and storylines of these films, such as Robin Hood’s journey to win Maid Marion’s hand, and the complex themes in Winnie the Pooh movies like gaslighting and memory manipulation. The text also mentions Walt Disney’s involvement with secret societies and his influence on the films. Lastly, it critiques the first Winnie the Pooh movie as a tough watch while praising the later ones.
➡ The text discusses the speaker’s experiences and thoughts on Disney movies from the 80s and 90s. They mention how the 80s was the first time they fully experienced the Disney universe, including the merchandise that came with the movies. They also discuss the differences between Disney movies and other animations, and how Disney’s marketing strategies made their movies more memorable. The speaker also talks about the evolution of Disney princesses, from Ariel in The Little Mermaid to Belle in Beauty and the Beast, and how these characters became more relatable over time.
➡ The text discusses the shift from storing knowledge in physical structures like cathedrals to making it widely accessible through books. It also touches on the cultural differences in preserving knowledge, such as Japan’s continued use of stone carvings. The conversation then moves to various Disney and Pixar movies, their impact, and their hidden meanings. The original Fantasia is highlighted as Disney’s first ‘spell’ that created the enduring Disney universe.

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We’ve given us a giant task today where we’re going to look at all of the Disney movies theatrically animatedly released up to about 2012. We’re doing our retrospective. It’s episode 100. That’s pretty wild. That is wild. I mean, you’ve. You’ve been through this a few times. Go ahead, finish introducing yourself. Yeah, it was. I wasn’t sure I. Let your spine. Just do it. It’s Matt here. It’s Paranoid American over there. He’s got something to say. You’ve got something to say. You’ve had a few different episode number one. Hundreds, I assume, right? Yeah, yeah, I do. I mean, just to plug my own podcast.

Films and filth. That is that episode 100 just happened to be Raiders of the Lost Ark. I was like, that kind of makes sense. That’s a good 100. But it wasn’t like a special 100. Twilight Zone was just episode 100 of the Twilight Zone. I don’t quite remember what episode that is. Yeah, I think this is the first time. Just been like, let’s hardcore. Well, actually, you said, let’s hardcore do a hundred. I was like, that makes sense. Sure. I didn’t argue the point, but we were discussing that. We’re not quite sure how we’re going to go.

I guess I’m going to just ramble off movies and we’ll see what our modern thoughts are. And I have one take. I guess maybe I’ll start with that. Am I brainwashing myself by doing this podcast? Yeah, but in a good way. In a good way. But in the past year, I have just started going to Disneyland a lot. And part of the reason is I got a bureaucratic raise. Does that make sense to you? A bureaucratic raise? I mean, I know what the words mean. It’s kind of like winning a mini lottery. Okay. So I started my company 10 years ago.

They’re like, do you want a housing Bonus or a transportation. I live far away. Took the transportation. They said the transportation’s gone. It’s now a housing bonus, but now they’re also paying transportation on top of that. And I still live far away. So I make like 400 bucks more a month now. So what do you do? You end up upgrading your cars and going to Disneyland. You can justify it now more too. And if I go to Disney World, I could just, I guess consider that a business expense. Everything. Exactly. Yeah. No, Scott, who is here for Brave, his wife is like an accountant or does that kind of work.

And I know if he, if he was doing this podcast, he’d start writing off those as tax things, you know, which May. I could do, but I don’t care and don’t want to and it sounds annoying. So I could get. I totally. I would make Rick Moranis character in Ghostbusters very angry. He would be angry at all the tax breaks. I’m not taking Lewis Tully there. Give him the character’s name. Well, I gotta. I got a rough idea for this. I mean, out of all the movies, and we did the math right before we started recording, it’s well over a hundred because we’ve doubled down on a few different episodes.

There was Blood and Honey, we did with Winnie the Pooh. I think we combined bed knobs and Broomsticks with no mobile because I had some of the same kids that were in the same movies and we’ve combined a few different ones. So we talked about several haunted mansions, correct? Yeah, we did like at least three in that one. So episode 100 represents well over a hundred different movies that we’ve seen. And I think over those there’s a few that I, I think just stand out. Now that we’ve watched well over a hundred Disney movies, I think we’re enough of experts that we can sort of say these are the top occult movies.

So I got a short list of maybe around 10. But I’m sure we’re going to dance around a little bit. I feel very confident saying that Nomi and Juliet was the biggest POS we’ve watched. Oh, that’s hard, man. I don’t maybe, I don’t know. I don’t know if it’s necessarily Gnomeo and Juliet because no, mj. Blood and Honey is pretty bad. But that was like a zero budget movie. Right? So it’s like. And I don’t consider that part of the Disney. It’s not Disney. You can’t count it. But Nomobile barely counts. But it is different production.

But Few words are like, oh, we’ll see that. Anyway, I’m just going to float that out. I’m going to be horrible, be negative, put out a floater and say, that’s the worst. Like, to start the podcast. Okay. I mean, you’ve got the full list, so it might be fun to just go through them in little chunks. But I guess I want to start out that it seems to me, and this is open for discussion, obviously, that the best Disney movie so far, in terms of occultism, in terms of most of my own personal metrics, it’s still Snow White.

It’s still the very first Disney movie. Feels like the most Disney movie. I thought you were about to say Fantasia, by the way. So I. That that certainly has to be in the running for also being the most occult one. Oh, yeah, most occult. But I also feel like it has slightly less of, like, the cinematic movie quality just because it was originally made to go on the road and change over time and not necessarily have a linear, cohesive story structure. And it’s so hard to encapsulate what Fantasia was supposed to be versus what it ended up being.

And for that reason, it just. It can’t be the number one in my mind. Although it’s incredibly important, it might be the most important Disney movie. People discuss Snow White more than they do Fantasia. But part of the brainwashing of myself is that I have. My memory is now just of the witch screaming at me because I’ve been on the ride several times in the past year and I haven’t watched the movie for what, three years? Overdue, I mean, I think overdue just because it is, in my mind, the best one. It basically has all the different DNA that we only see tiny little nuggets of and pretty much all the movies that come after it.

Like, especially now, if you get one of these, you’re lucky. But it’s got the. The demole Rosicrucian style teachings in it. It’s got the OG Grim story tales in it, which I guess is also Rosicrucian in a way. It has literal alchemy, Germanic magics and poisons. It’s got all the different Jungian archetypes. It has Earth elementals interacting with a human spirit. And I think that those key qualities seem to be in my. All my favorite Disney movies of at least one of those. And this is what you. What you just said actually is going to push me to what I was going to say before you said that, where I was like, trying to think what else might and I was like, number two for me might be Tangled.

And all the things you just said are also entangled, which. And it’s kind of interesting going back and thinking that Tangled might be a little bit more interesting because everyone’s like, yes, no, White’s got stuff in it. Right? You know, it’s a. It’s almost. It’s 90 years. Almost 90 years old now. There’s. There’s. Of course, it’s got little hidden things. And Tangled, everyone’s like, oh, yeah, the Rapunzel movie still, right. That one doesn’t have as much of the reputation. I think that it’s a really good contender for at least top 10 Disney movies that maybe gets overlooked based on our metrics, which probably for me, it’s which one has the most occult basis and some sort of, like, secret knowledge, like, what kind of information have they packed into this movie? And is it still an okay movie to watch? And also Tangles probably still in my top 10 Disney movies as well.

I. I do think it’s very good. But yeah, I did notice that’s the. Also the. One of the recent ones that you had the most notes about as far as going. Coming into this conversation. So I love that. Honestly, I love it when we watch a Disney movie and I end up learning something historical or biblical or philosophical, like something that actually goes way deeper than the movie itself. That’s. It’s like one of my. My favorite little parts about doing this entire series. And again, man, Snow White seemed to have the most of that. And I know that we already did it.

It was like one of the very first episodes that we did. I don’t think we had video for this one or it got. It wasn’t the greatest in terms of, like, the technical quality. So just to revisit some of the other things that have come up since or that I’m able to elaborate more on, is that the story of Snow White itself also might be based in a bunch of different historical facts. And we’ve got names and dates and locations, but the. Basically, the premise is that there was a family that lived out in the mountains somewhere that was doing mining for gems and also for coal, I’d assume.

But they were. It was an actual mining rig. And they had certain little tunnels in the minings that only smaller people could wear. And they also wore these bright, colorful caps because one, you know, make them easier to tell that if they’re, like, getting lost down into. Into these mines. And because they needed smaller people, sometimes they would put children in these. I mean, this is like the 1500s, I believe, 16th century. So they would send kids into these mines. So some of the original stories on these seven Dwarves might be based on an actual mining town.

And the whole thing about being served the poison apple and dying. There was also a historical count of a young girl slash princess that died from poisoning that lived in this town. So all these different historical bases might have come together at some point, like converged and just made the perfect story and just kind of build on there. Like it just took on a life of its own a little bit. A few of the facts got distorted. Even the. The talking mirror, there’s a. A museum that’s somewhere in that came out of Bavaria that it was also known as an acoustic mirror, but that you could actually talk into it and it would talk back to you.

So all these different elements that it seems. Oh, wow, this Disney magic, all these things that they made up and all this folklore, a lot of it’s based in reality. Yeah. And what you’re saying, I was sitting there thinking, I guess that makes Dopey the most realistic dwarf since he’s the childlike one that probably has like lead po or something. I mean that would have been all of them. They all would have been that one. Yeah, yeah, that’s my point. He’s. He’s the realistic one. He’s. Because, I mean it was. Oh, they even sent kids that probably mostly saint kids.

It probably became like bug kids job to go do that, you know. So here, here’s some of the. The specific notes in case you’re interested in this. Margaret von Waldack was a German countess. She was born to Philip IV in 1533 at the age 16, was forced by her stepmother, Katharina of Hatsfield, to move away to Brussels. There she falls in love with a prince who later becomes Philip II of Spain. Although she mysteriously dies at the age 21, having been poisoned. Her father owned copper mines that employed children as quasi slaves, with poor conditions that caused many to die at young ages.

Or those that survived severely stunted growth and deformed limbs from malnutrition and hard physical labor. As a result, they were often referred to as the poor dwarfs. So there’s one of the many stories that happened in this region that might have been a basis for at least the seven dwarves part. And the whole poisoned princess part. Granted, what you just described would make a pretty freakish Disney movie. You got to brighten the corners a bit, you know, to reference some Pavement albums. So that’s 16th century. Then we have an 18th century Maria Sophia von Erthel, born June 15, 1729 in Bavaria.

She was the daughter of an 18th century landowner, Prince Philip Christoph von Erthel. And they had this castle that they lived in, which has since been turned into a museum. This is the one that has that acoustic mirror, the talking mirror that I mentioned that you could speak into. And I guess now that mirror is housed at the Spessert Museum. And the dwarves in this particular story, this 18th century version, are also linked to this mining town that was close by called Bieber, which is just fun, set among seven different believers. And in. In these mining mines in these seven mountains, these were the ones where only the smallest tunnels.

They put either kids or like really short people into them that wore these bright hoods. So there’s at least two different historical tales about the same area in which Snow White comes up. And as just like a fun extra fact that the Rosac Crucian angle is not something that has to be retrofitted onto the story. Like, or even to the Disney version that the original grim fairy tale versions, especially this one, we’re talking about 18th century Bavaria. This is sort of the. The height, or at least the tail end of the height of the. The Rosy Cross secret college.

The Rosicrucians basically infiltrating every aspect of society and. And baking their knowledge in. So the Grimm brothers have been rumored to have also been members of the Rosy Cross, which means that these stories intentionally included these extra details, or at least favored the versions that had these details already baked into them. And there’s some changes. The first version is published in 1812, whereas the final versions in 1854. You can finesse it a little bit as you move along. I mean, George Lucas does this too, doesn’t he? If you want to call that finessing. Right. Those versions again came out after the historical accounts that sort of set up all the different aspects of this story.

So we can go on and on and on about Snow White. It really is the one that has the most amount. I guess my. One of my favorites. And we can move on from it, is the idea that it starts out. The very first line is talking about secrets as you put movie on. The first English words you hear are, want to know a secret, promise not to tell. We are standing by a wishing well. And then Snow White immediately makes a wish into this well that she wants to find a prince, she wants to find her true love.

And almost before she’s done making the wish, the wish is fulfilled, the prince comes in on the horse and she’s terrified and she runs away from him. And my favorite take on that is that she wasn’t scared of the prince, even though he’s this strange man that came from a foreign land. Shout out Frazier’s golden bow. But that she’s a. She’s terrified that her magic was so potent that she just wished into this well and it came true. It blew her mind. She had to run away and, and reevaluate all of reality again. Of course, something we didn’t talk about the first time we did the movie, which now is the case is of course this year the, the live action Snow White came out and I think is now universally hated and one of the biggest flops ever.

Is that. Was that, was that the end result of the new Snow White? I have not seen it. Who knows? I could watch it and love it. I turned out liking the 2023 haunted Mansion Way more than I thought I was going to, so you never know. But it sounds like it was a weird, horrible misfire from what I hear. I’m open. I haven’t seen it yet either. I’m open to it. Although I don’t have high hopes, but sometimes that’s the best recipe for a movie that I end up loving is that I go in with the absolute lowest hopes.

So. No, I’m coming. Like I said, it’s been a few weeks since we did a Haunted mansion. Like, yeah, 2023 one is not that bad. And I was fully coming in with knives out for that one just because of its reputation, you know, like I, I, I apology again. I should have told you to watch that one and not the Eddie Murphy one. But what can you do? I think the. So I’ll loosely go through my top tens here. The, the second one I think is the most important to talk about is the Bambi. And not necessarily anything particular about the Bambi movie itself, but that it’s the maybe the earliest and best representation of the whole Disney proxy formula.

And just to restate the Disney proxy, like, this is a Darren Arafnovsky film like PI, but that every single successful Disney movie at a certain point gets this formulaic quality to it where the Disney proxy is a small kid sitting in front of the television and the parents leave. Or maybe you brought them to the movies, but as soon as that movie starts, this kid is completely engrossed in the film. And as far as the kid watching the movie is concerned, the parents on screen are his parents and the friends on screen are his friends. So in a Disney movie.

As soon as a parent dies or as soon as a kid gets kidnapped, they’re going through this very real trauma in their own mind of, oh, wow, is this what it would feel like if I got kidnapped? Is this what it would feel like if. If my mom got shot by a hunter? Right. So the Disney proxy is the kid is going through real trauma at a certain level, and then as soon as they enter this trauma state, the formula in Disney is to introduce intellectual properties, to introduce a cute little sidekick character that’s going to end up being commercialized and sold in Happy Meal toys and lunch boxes and T shirts, and that’s going to be the savior that rescues you from the Disney proxy.

So the entire formula is traumatized child, introduce intellectual property, intellectual property saves child, and then later sell that intellectual property to the kid out in the real physical world. And I don’t think that when they shot Disney, they were like, we’re going to turn Thumper into this Disney proxy, and we’re going to sell a whole boatload of. Of bumper material. But I do think that over time, they probably realize, man, sometimes we really have great commercial success in the ancillary sales. Whenever, I don’t know when a movie has something and they eventually sat down and like, okay, this.

This is the mathematical formula. How early do we kill off the parents? How many parents did we kill off? How long until they get rescued by the intellectual property? I think that they sort that out for essentially the next, I don’t know, 100 years or so or going on 100 years. And, and I do remember when we did up, we were like, well, this is a case where you can’t really sell the. The toys after whatever you can’t really put in the theme park. And I just, like, increasingly am eating my words. I don’t know if you can see.

I’m not. But it’s a. There’s a giant float of up with. With old man Carl, like, in a suit, smiling, pointing at people. I’m like, okay, you can. You can put all this stuff in there. And no one saw that picture. I apologize. But at the same time, though, up doesn’t necessarily seem like it would have the, the most potential for ancillary sales. You’ve got a. A cute dog, a few birds, and then the Asian kid. And that’s pretty much it, right? As far as what kids are going to want to play with. Yeah. But when I went last month, Carl was there.

I could have, if I wanted to wait a few minutes, which I didn’t I could have gotten a picture with old man Carl in a suit. You know, they. They had a walk around Carl. They had Carl on a parade float. This. Maybe this is just. I don’t know, but I don’t know. Well, I heard that Disney World might end up getting an up as well. Okay. So, yeah, I’m just, like, eating my words more and more from. From saying, yeah, that’s one you can’t put in the theme parks. I guess you can. So. And we’ve definitely detailed every time a movie comes up that doesn’t have the Disney Proxy.

I think we’ve kind of pointed it out. There’s a small handful, maybe 10 if I just had to throw a random number. Pixars don’t always, we notice Pixar doesn’t necessarily need to do that, too, to, you know, succeed. Although sometimes they do. Although what isn’t Nemo is Pixar, right? Finding Nemo. Oh, yeah. Nemo is a big one. Sure. Although it’s kind of reversed in that case, where it’s now the parent that they’re. Because Nemo is kind of off, like, you know, hanging out with. Well, kind of. But if. But that’s a new fish crowd, so. But if you remember, too, that little Nemo starts out with 300 eggs, and they all get taken out and the mom.

So technically, it is Disney proxy. It’s just that it happened when Nemo was still a little egg, but he lost his mom and 299 of his brothers and sisters, which also makes it, I believe, the highest body count. Disney Proxy sacrifice. Out of all the Disney movies we’ve seen so far, no Pixar. For Pixar, it’s dead. Nemo is the strongest one. I was just trying to be like, I’m gonna be smart and turn the table, get the proxy. But, like, Monsters, Inc. I mean, I don’t think has. I mean, I guess, booze out. And Boo’s basically getting not only taken away from her parents, but taken away from the entire world and maybe even a timeline, depending on how far you want to go down that rabbit hole.

But in TV terms, I would say boo is the B plot of Monsters, Inc. So in that case, the proxy is there, but it’s like the B plot, right? Toy Story, it’s now like, it’s. It’s a. It’s kind of like the IP is the one experiencing proxy in Toy Story. Maybe that’s why Toy Story is so popular. Like, now you are ident. Like, usually it’s like the kid, which isn’t the top selling toy, right? Well, base Bambi is, but. Well, I mean, the monsters in Proxy, I think it still works because the kid that gets kidnapped, slash, lost, right, Is Boo.

And then the first person that first character, the Boo runs into, it’s basically Mike and Sully, right? So. And those also end up becoming the largest intellectual property toy stuffed animal mascots of that entire series becomes her sidekicks. And then in the same way, them taking care of Boo means that it’s okay to trust them because they’re not hurting humans, right? Like they’re monsters. But we know that they’re good monsters because they’re protecting Boo, which makes them way more marketable. Well, that’s the interesting twist on that one then. Because usually we would start the movie with Boo, you know, with her parents.

She’d be in a room, these weird, creepy monsters, monsters would take her. And then the movie goes as. As it does. But in Monsters Inc. We’re actually hanging out with Mike and Scully for a solid for a while, right? And then she. That’s why I’m like, oh, she’s the B fly. She comes in, like, a notable amount into the movie. So it is the Proxy. But it is an interesting kind of like there. There’s a reverse that works, right? Well, if we go by the early version, say Bambi being like one of the earliest versions, this is analog 2D world Linear algebra style.

Once we get into Pixar, it’s still the Disney proxy formula, but now we’re doing calculus. Now we’re doing 3D rendering and simulation theory. Right? So of course, the. The formula itself maybe, like, gets tweaked over time, but you have those exact same components that come. Some of the obvious ones that stand out, maybe Mulan, because Mulan, there’s not really a kid. Mulan is basically an adult that’s ready to go in the military, and she decides to run away from home to go and fight for her family to protect her dad. So it. It’s like you have to really twist it and contort it to make every movie fit into the Disney Proxy.

So I think we have picked out maybe 10 that don’t follow this. But it does seem notable that almost every other Disney movie, you can sort of weasel in a Disney Proxy without feeling like you’re. You’re bending over backwards to do it. I want to go back to the 40s for a bit because we did skip some of the compilation films and stuff, and I’m just going to read them out real quick and you can Respond. But even more importantly, if a listener is like, oh, my God, you need to go back and do that one.

We can maybe do it. Which there’s the Reluctant Dragon, which we didn’t do because a large portion of that is live action, which doesn’t bother us now. But for episode four, I guess we didn’t want to do that. And then the. To do the Reluctant Dragon. We were reluctant, but we could go back for it. This is interesting that in a time when Disney would release a movie every, like, year or, like, two years, especially in the 40s, they released two weeks after Bambi. Saludos Amigos, which would be an interesting one to talk about, because that’s when Disney was shipped down to South America for a bit, which is a story.

We might want to talk about that some. Perhaps some CIA ties. Who knows? Yeah. So that, you know, I just talked. I think I just talked myself. And we should go back and do that. I have a perfect guest in mind for that one, too. Okay. Three Cabreros, kind of same idea. I think that’s the same episode, basically. Yeah, that probably makes sense. Make mine music. I’ve never seen that. And it’s just, I guess, animated. It’s a happy comedy musical. So if someone has a hot take on that they want to send our way, do it.

We skipped Song of the south because it’s a new podcast. We didn’t want to do Song in the South. I do have a workaround for that, is that we do the. The earnest at Splash Mountain. Splash Mountain opening. And then that just gives us the leeway to talk about all that stuff. And, hey, if we focus on Earnest, mostly, that’s fine, too, I think. I mean, I’m down for Song of the south because then I can talk about Splash Mountain some more. But I think that the main reason that we skipped it was because we had skipped the Reluctant Dragon.

And originally it was like, there’s any live action at all. We’re gonna. Yeah, for now, so. And then. And there is the can of worms for that movie, which, to be honest, I’ve seen it somewhat recently, and it’s. I mean, yes, I see the problem, but it’s not. The biggest problem was not allowing the. What’s his name into the premiere. That seems to have soiled the whole thing, because. Which was a bad move. They wouldn’t let, like, the black actors into the. Into the premiere, which is like, what? And that. But the movie itself. I mean, there’s a few things, but especially the animated parts.

That’s why they could make Splash Mountain, you know, because. Let’s just take these parts out that we can use and use those. So it’s an interesting one, but yeah, there’s some can of worms to open on that one, I guess. Just still. Yeah, no. The Princess and the Frog was made to replace Song of the South. Everything about it that’s. It was meant to completely overshadow so that no one really remembers Song of the South. Right. Two more. Three more, actually. Oh, geez. Okay. Okay. See, this might be a compilation one. There’s Make My Music. There’s Fun and Fancy Free, which is musical cartoon feature.

Make My Music is Happy Comedy Musical Melody Time. These titles sound very Japanese. Happy Mere Comedy for your All Time Good Time. That’s the melody time I’m reading. I’m reading the taglines too, by the way. That’s why it’s coming out like this. So dear to my heart. Is that also musical? Oh, that’s different. That’s a live action animated musical drama. But it seems to be different than the others. But yeah, you. We could compile Make My Music Fun and Fancy Free and Nolly Time, I’m guessing. Again, listeners, please respond on any of these. Are you, like, you have to do Song of the south or we can like.

Or would. Or. Hey, I like the Ernest one. I just. I. I do like Ernest Goes to Splash Mountain more than Song of the South. Just to be clear, have you seen that special Long time ago. Like, when he was still alive. Yeah, it’s. It’s okay. It’s. It’s pretty. Like, all the earnest parts were actually produced by his production company. So he’s just. He’s preparing for Space Mountain, like, out by his shed and stuff. And that cuts back to all the Disney stuff at Space Slash Mountain. And it’s. It’s good. It’s worth watching. Okay, we’ll figure out a way to squeeze that in.

And yeah, I got. I got one, too, that I want to suggest at some point that we didn’t make it because it wasn’t a theatrical release, but the Donald Duck in Math Magic Land, because of all the cult symbolism and the sacred geometry and that. That one just feels like one that we’re gonna have to do as, like, a special. Special case. Yeah, I get a Jumanchi or somebody on for that. How long is that one? I don’t know if you have a screen up or something. Half hour. Okay. That’s the other reason it’s not a full feature.

And that would not have caught my eye while looking through lists. But I think I have had people recommend that before. And I mean, math Magic, it is the cartoon that we should be reviewing. It just doesn’t happen to have a theatrical release to it. We should have made that one. Number 100. Okay, we’re bringing it up in number 100. There we go. Okay, we really have to do it like number 111 or, or something. That’s magical. I again, it was three years ago. I don’t remember what we said, but I think we got Pinocchio and Dumbo down pretty well.

Unless you want to add something on those. Just to clarify that Pinocchio, in addition to the alchemical Rosicrucian references to the golden ass, which was, which was the hat if you forgot cerebral activities, higher level, higher orders of thinking. Because originally Pinocchio is going to school, but he skipped school. So one of it, it was a cautionary tale telling, kids don’t skip schooling because then you’re going to have to do manual labor. And the manual labor was represented by them turning into literal donkeys and being used to just, you know, carry goods around like into mules.

But the political version of this is that children really were being kidnapped and turned into just mules to go and do manual labor in certain areas of Italy. And that the original story of Pinocchio was very likely written as a way to bring more public consciousness into the fact that kids were being exploited and forced in the manual labor. And that this one is the biggest stretch. Right. But the, the Pinocchio, meaning the, the pine, Pinot pine, and then Nokia was the eye. So it’s maybe like the pineal eye or the third eye. But also that Pino could have been short for Giuseppe, which is their version of Joe, Italian version of Joseph, because one of the ways to say that was Giuseppino.

So Pino might also have been short for Joseph, like calling someone Joe. And this might have been a reference to Giuseppe Mazzini, who was head of the Carbonari. If you get real deep into the maybe incorrect Leotaxel style Freemasonry and satanic worship, that Giuseppe Mazzini was also alleged to be in cahoots with Albert pike and that he was going to be helping bring on World War iii. I believe all that’s fabricated. It was all like a big hoax. But that’s kind of part of conspiracy theory lore now. And Pinocchio has a direct tie to all that.

So I always thought that’s interesting that it’s also one of the. The few non grim stories Again, this. This was written by an Italian political activist and not by a Germanic, you know, like, witch in the middle of the woods that was passing down stories to scare her grandkids. Oh, those Grims. I was about to say, that’s a pretty grim story. Pino is also a delicious chocolate ice cream treat in Japan, but not in. And definitely not in the 19th century. If you come to a crossroads and left is to Pinocchio’s village and right is to Pleasure island.

Which. Which way do you go? I mean, I’m an adult, so I feel like Pleasure Island’s okay now. Okay, well, that’s the way the cart goes on the ride, so I will. Dumbo. I think we bring up Dumbo a lot anyway, like retrospectively. So I love. I mean, Dumbo’s probably one of my top five easily. There was nothing about the re watch or going into the research and the details that made me like it any less is when I was a kid. So no, I’ll tell people for my number one animated. It’s a Disney movie. It’s Dumbo or Lilo and Stitch.

And I tend to say Lilo and Stitch because I’m talking to Japanese children. They don’t. They haven’t seen Dumbo. So Lilo and Stitch, they sparkle up a little more. But depending on day, there either one would be my favorite. So I was looking at the 50s, which I was like, I was going to shout out. This one seems the most occult from the 50s. And the list is Cinderella, Alice in Wonderland, Peter Pan, lady and the Tramp, Sleeping Beauty. So I’m like, it’s not lady and the Tramp, but for the other four, I’m like, geez, those are all pretty stewing and stuff.

Cinderella. My favorite note on that one, I guess, was that her name was Ella, but she was Cinderella because she had to clean out the. The. The cinder from the. The fireplace, essentially. And that her name, even though it sounds all glamorous now, it really just means like, person that you have cleaning up the ash out of the fireplace. Still probably my least favorite of the classic Disney movies. Really? That one. That one just never warmed up to me so much. For whatever reason, I guess because she doesn’t seem that sharp yet. She really doesn’t have a lot of agency in that movie.

Everyone else is just kind of driving her like she. Which makes it one of the perfect MK Ultra archetypes, or at least Project Monarch rumored archetypes. Right? But isn’t that the next movie, Alice in Wonderland. See, that’s where I’m like, which one of these is the weirdest one? I’m like, they all have their. Except for lady and Tramp. They all have, like, certain things. You’re like, oh, yeah, because you just. Cinderella and Kale. Yeah. But Alice in Wonderland is next, which is like, down the rabbit hole, you know, white rabbits. Holy crap. Alice in Wonderland also not.

I mean, obviously not a grim fairy tale, but it follows some of those same kind of archetypes. But it also shows this weird trend of. Now in 2025, the word’s problematic. I don’t know what the word would have been back then. Maybe there was even on the radar. But this begins this very solid archetype of like, the Disney princess and always needing to be rescued from a castle somewhere. Always losing agency and needing this. This male masculine energy to come and balance the equation out and save the feminine energy. And not in like a. A trad daddy sort of like 2025 version of this.

But that was some of that occult symbolism that I think was in Snow White and some of these earlier 50s 60s movies is that they had these very strong, like, gender role archetypes for. In my opinion, for like, math, like, esoteric reasons, like alchemical reasons. But then Alice doesn’t need that. Right? She’s a little more. I mean, she doesn’t. She’s just kind of. That’s episodic, Right. She’s just kind of stumbling through strange tableaus. She makes a few weird asides that, you know, sound like she’s a relatively intelligent girl where Cinderella is just kind of floating through the movie and needs Prince Charming at the end.

Yeah, well, I guess problematic because the actual love interest in Alice in Wonderland doesn’t exist in the story. But if you look at, like, where the story came from, then it’s like, okay, okay, yeah, maybe not explore romantic connection in the Disney adaptation of this. Yeah, they made movies about that as well. So. So I think there was. There was reason why they. They specifically distanced that particular character from having some kind of a romantic interest in that movie. Because otherwise that also seems to be part of the typical Disney formula, is to have, you know, like, a romantic connection to just kind of like, keep playing over that same note.

Speaking of problematic stuff, there’s Peter Pan, which I. I was on that ride in Tokyo. They do still have the. The. The Indians in that one, which I think are not in the other. What makes the red man red? Do they play the song too? I think they’re just beating the beat. I don’t think they’re singing it. But, yeah, I don’t think they’re singing anything on that ride, though. It’s all just music. So. So. So, okay. Yes, it is there. They’re just not singing it. That. Another great example of the Disney proxy through Peter Pan. And I guess one of my favorite theories that I don’t think I’m fully sold on, but that Peter Pan is basically stealing the souls of these children and that Hook is the one that’s trying to prevent Peter Pan from doing this.

And that all the lost boys are being kidnapped, and by going to Hook, that’s them, like, actually being able to grow up back into the physical world, back where Saturn rules everything, which is represented by the crocodile with the clock that ticks and the fact that Hook lost his hand and is named after loss of some sort of a physical reality, but not dying from it. Like, all of those added together, plus the idea that the Peter Pan character was created to basically memorialize or replace the memory of an actual child that died. Oh, Tokyo Disney.

Also the railroad and the canoes and stuff. You still go by about, like, five different, like, Native American setups, which I don’t know if they haven’t. Well, they took the rivers of America out in Florida, and I don’t. I don’t know what California does, but, yeah, I’m just riding along, being like, kind of is this. Is this. I don’t know if the Americans would still be fine with this or not. I mean, if they’re in Tokyo, they have to be fine with it. Right? They just turn them into casinos here. They’re fine with it. They’re just, all right.

Lady the Tramp. I honestly have forgotten what happens in that movie. Except they eat the spaghetti. Yeah, they eat spaghetti. What do you mean, what happens in that movie? And they have the we are Siamese, if you please, which maybe also doesn’t match up the 2025 standard. No. Yeah. Okay. I forgot that was in there. So I am. Doesn’t even exist anymore. Right. That is a thing, though. I’ve seen Allison wearing Peter Pan, like, many times. Cinderella a couple times, Leaking Beauty a couple times. Lady and Tramp. I think I just watched it the one time podcast.

Maybe I saw it when I was like, a toddler, you know? Oh, and this one, I think, is another version that’s more or less missing the Disney proxy. Yeah, it’s just dogs, I guess. And there’s so many better. I mean, 101 Dalmatians by far is superior to lady and the Tramp in every way. I would say, well, a proxy, even if it’s, you know, it could be one thing, let’s sell our IP and make some money. Two is just like, it makes things more dramatic when you do it that way. It keeps people’s attention better. Right? Yeah.

I mean, there’s a reason why it’s part of the formula, and there’s a reason why the formula works. So lady and Tramp, I’m like, oh, did anything happen that movie? Because it doesn’t have a Disney proxy. Right. So nothing happened. It’s not interesting. Which 101 Dalmatians? Yeah, that one’s like, we, we got Cruella Deville, you know, all that going on, so. And she’s gonna kill how many puppies? Puppies, yeah. So that, that adds so much. It’s the stakes, man. It’s. It’s a lot for a lot of American cinema goers and I’d say worldwide too. But children are introduced to these very complex and an adult scenarios through Disney movies.

Like, how else do you explain to your kid that there’s someone out there that might want to hurt a hundred children? Right? But you go and you bring them and see 101 Dalmatians. And now at least they have a reference, a frame of reference where you’re like, remember the cruel De Vil lady? Well, there’s maybe real people like that out there. And instead of stealing dogs for coats, they steal children for coats. And it just makes the conversation a little bit easier to segue into. Anyway, between all these bitches, we’ve got a Sleeping Beauty. So it’s lady and Tramp, sleeping beauty, then 101 Dalmatians, which that’s.

That to me seems more like the. On the surface, like that one feels super caught, but then it just doesn’t seem to have, like, the depth. It’s like, you know, that is the. Like, here’s a bunch of images that work. I mean, there’s a few things, but it certainly doesn’t have what Snow White has or even Peter Pan, I think, as far as, like, occult stuff, even though it has the window dressing. And if you want to disagree, it has been a few years since I watched it. No, I, I do agree. This one also was amalgamated from a bunch of different stories that all come together.

There’s a lot of variations on what actually happens with Sleeping Beauty. And I believe the, the one that we know from Disney where the Prince Charming comes and kisses her and wakes her up, that’s not even really one of the. The most popular of all the different historical versions, there’s a lot of them that don’t involve any masculine prince whatsoever or any kind of a kiss. So this. This is an example where Disney did inject a romantic theme here, even without agency, just because it’s. It’s a little bit more formulaic, I believe. I think it’s less abstract.

I would say that this is where they just hit the nail on the head, on the imagery, though. If you think a call at Disney, you’re gon a Maleficent or something, you know, like, you’re gonna think of Sleeping Beauty’s castle. You know, it. It’s like, as far as what it looks like, I. They. It’s like it’s the poster child, but it doesn’t have the substance, I guess, is what I’m saying. This one also started Walt Disney’s distraction. This is where he starts becoming more and more distracted with all the other million projects that he’s got going on.

He was actively involved in the casting, I believe, of this one. But after Sleeping Beauty comes out, his involvement becomes less and less, which takes us into the 60s, I guess, and we already did 101 Dalmatians, and there’s only three more for the 60s, which is sore in the Stone. Mary Poppins and the Jungle Book. And you can throw in the no mobile for movies we talked about if you want, but Mary Poppins, my favorite takeaway from that one is that she gaslights the kids. And I still don’t fully understand why, but it makes her a Disney villain in my mind, and it would be very hard to convince me otherwise.

She. She shows these children a completely alternate reality, and then as soon as they get back and they’re like, wow, you know, Mary Poppins, I can’t believe we just saw penguins dancing. And we, you know, we went on a whole race, and she’s like, what are you guys talking about? None of that happened. No, no, we never did any of those things. Okay, you’re being silly. Children. Let’s go to bed now. And I can’t believe, like, that would do so much harm to a kid to actually show them an alternate reality and then gaslight them immediately.

It almost seems like it would destroy magic. And I’m. I’m still now trying to figure out what she did to those kids and what that movie did to us. No, because if as a teacher, if I do something in class, like, often when I’m teaching, I’ll. I got this dice here. I’ll be talking. I’ll just be doing this with it. Right. Or with a pen. I’ll do it with a marker or something. I’ll just keep twirling it, and then I might see a kid twirling. It’s hitting the table. I can’t say anything. They’re just doing what I’m doing, you know? Yep.

It’s annoying, but it’s my fault, isn’t it? I made that happen, more or less. Oh, they said you were going to take them all to another reality and then lie to them about it. That’s what I do. I take them all to another reality and lie to them about it. If only. No close idea of that is sometimes, you know. How’s the weather? It’s sunny. What kind of sun do you want? Sometimes they say happy, sometimes they say angry. And depending on the class, I’ll draw a very cute sun that looks very angry holding a bloodied knife, you know? So, okay.

It depends on the class. You don’t do it for every class, but some classes like that stuff. A couple other notes on Mary Poppins that I remember. One was that it also shows this. This interesting Disney trend where they’re softening the edges of occupations that used to kill children. For example, chimney sweeps. It was another one of those things that if you were a small person and you could get inside of a chimney to sweep it out, then you were the perfect chimney sweep. And unfortunately, a lot of that meant children. They sent a lot of children in the chimneys in, like, Victorian era, I believe.

And the Disney movie makes it fun and magical, and there’s like, good luck if you touch a chimney sweep and you get some of, like, the coal on you. However, that’s rooted in the fact that so many children died in those chimneys and. And doing this particular occupation. So I knew black makes it fun. Yeah, you get black wrong, but they make it fun out of it. Grant. I think it’s safe to say in the 60s, like, at least they’re doing it when kid. Like, if they. If kids were still doing these jobs and they’re making the movies, that would be more disturbing.

Hey, there’s probably a few examples, but, you know, we. We don’t want to talk about this. Speaking of things we don’t want to talk about, you did skip Sword in the Stone on the list. I love the movie. It’s still top 10 material. It’s just no longer, like, my top three, because I can’t shake that it was written by an old guy that liked to lure little kids over to his house. And the movie itself is about an old Guy that lives in the woods and lures an orphan into his house, so. Oh. So it only bopped it on a few slots.

Okay. For me, Sorenstone was never in my top 10. Honestly, man, what a great, great that would. This was Don Bluth DNA coming through in Disney. Yeah. One of the reasons though, my. I think that’s a movie I never did. It might have been the first time I watched when we did it, but I had like a Storybook or a View Master or whatever for it that might be coloring my thing that I had like the. The half version of the movie, you know, or less. I didn’t have the proper movie, so that might have made it seem lesser in my mind.

But at the same time we’re like my go to’s like tapes out. Okay. Definitely don’t have Dumbo love for it. I mean, what do I remember from it now? Of course I remember Merlin. I remember them turning into a bunch of animals in various scenes and yeah, time travel. Merlin goes into the 70s. Oh yeah, he’s a proto genie, which I think we did say at the time that he’s proto genieing a bit. I mean, it’s got the proto Dom Bluth, but it doesn’t have the vibe that I really want from a Don Bluth movie. I guess in Store of the Snow, like animation wise.

I see what you’re saying. Vibe wise, not so much. I guess it just like it’s a movie where it’s well put together but It’s. It’s kind of 60s malaise. Like you said, Wad is busy trying to build cities. Right. So. So we’re in. The Stone is just kind of like some of the imag. Well, imagineers. I just said it. Some of the animators have been reappropriated as imagineers. So everyone’s a little spread thin in the 60s, I think in terms of these movies, Sword and Stone and Fantasia and I want to say at least two other movies that I can’t conjure up right now.

But they also share this common Disney motif where as soon as an apprentice learns about magic, the first thing they do to apply it is they clean up a kitchen or they use it to do some mundane activity like laundry or dishes or. Or just straight up cleaning. And that’s a theme park attraction now too. Right? Disney. The one where you said this Florida crowd runs out the door with Mickey’s Philharm magic, which is Donald basically doing the same thing with all the cleaning stuff thrown back in. You know, it’s. It’s Just. It’s an interesting concept to me, because if you figured out, oh, my God, magic is real, magic does exist.

Supernatural things. Or at least you’ve discovered some new technology. If you want to get all Arthur C. Clarke on me, you’ve found some new technology. And the first thing everyone usually does is like, how do I do this to do the dishes? It just seems like neutering. Such a fantastic opportunity to completely shift your entire, you know, mental perspective at the entire universe and beyond. But instead, you’re just like, I’m gonna use this to clean dishes so that I can go and get more work done at the. At the office, I assume. Well, the first robot that most people had in their house was a Roomba.

Well, I mean, a dishwasher, if you want to extend the. I. I was considering. If we should consider. But I. I feel like it needs to move around a little bit. Is what a robot that moves around. You know, the dishwasher stays still. It won’t rumble. You can sit on it for some fun. But sure. I mean, if you go by the Tomorrowland little presentation, which I don’t know if this one’s in la, too, but. Or in Burbank, but in Orlando, it’s still there. And they do kind of imply that vacuums and washing machines are sort of the equivalent of robots and VR headsets.

Yeah, I was thinking about that when I was saying it, but a moving robot was again, you’re cleaning clothes, so it even still sticks there. The robot’s clean dishwasher has moving parts. Yeah. And it’s cleaning, so it’s still. The cleaning thing still works. My statement, the first robot you had in your house may be wrong, but the first robot in your house. Clean stuff that still holds Jungle Book. I think we basically revisited that when we did jungle book 2 not so long ago, but any thoughts you want to toss or just keep moving? Yeah, the.

The main premise of Jungle Book is just that all the animals realize that humans are going to be the end of them. And this is where we start eating bugs. Is it? This is the. The bug eating start. Because we get that in multiple movies from here on. This is where. Yeah, the. The UN or whoever it is that started this. Soros. This is where Soros first put his. His claws into the American diet and started trying to train Americans and the rest of the world that bugs are going to be on the menu coming up pretty soon.

So it starts here. I think it comes to a fever pitch around Lion King, and we’re probably going to see A resurgence of this again soon. Yeah. And. Yeah, that. That’s the. The new verse to It’s a Small World that they reclaimed from the 60s. They just added that in Disneyland. Apparently it’s about eating bugs. I don’t know about that part, but they did that. A verse. We’re getting to the 70s. Things are getting funkier. This is the last decade where maybe I can just shout out all the movies. We got the Aristocats, Bedknoms and Broomsticks, Robin Hood, the Many adventures of Winnie the Pooh, the Rescuers, and Peach Dragon, which we skipped because it was live action.

We should probably go. That’s another one we should probably go back and do. Why do we not do Pete’s Dragon? I don’t remember. Maybe because we skipped the. The. The other dragon movie early on. Oh, yeah, we, like, you know, put all dragons in the same box. Yeah, screw. Screw those live action dragon Disney movies. Anyway, looking at this, I have no idea why we didn’t do Peach Dragon, but whatever. We’ll do it sometime. So we won’t talk about that one now, but we can talk about the Aristocats, which is one of the more forgettable ones.

Even though got a sequel. The first one to get a sequel. But it’s not bad. It’s just kind of there. It’s more musical than anything else. And again, it kind of lacks the Disney proxy. Well, the girl does end up kidnapped and in a villain layer, so. And the rescuers come to help. Or maybe. Maybe the proxy comes in a little late. We. It’s a. It’s like the monsters thing where we follow the proxy people for the. The new IP fun characters from the beginning. Right. And then the kidnapped girls later. So it’s a little bit reverse.

Well, the Rescuers. Yeah. No, the Aristocats. Oh, I’m talking about the Rescuers, aren’t. I see. That’s how forgettable Aristocats is. I’m sitting here talking. The Rescuers. Okay. Rescuers absolutely has the proxy. Rescuers has the disc. I was mildly confused talking my way out of that. Okay, There we go. Yeah. I was like, it’s gonna proxy, doesn’t it? Yeah. Aristocats. I’ve clearly forgotten everything about that movie because everything I try remembering about it, I’m now remembering 101 Dalmatians instead. I do remember the nudie poster in the wall. That’s why I remember from Aristocats Rescuers, too. Cats stood out to me in that.

It was the first. I think it was the first Disney movie that we had seen that took place in modern day like that. Like the time period in which it came out. It reflected that time period. Whereas pretty much every other Disney movie dialed the clock back at least a few decades. Right. Like, I guess the other one that might have been modern would have been 101 Dalmatians, but that one took place probably two or three decades before it was actually in theaters. Okay, so I just said most of my notes about the rescuers then. Okay, great, the cats have forgotten rescuers.

Just worth pointing out that this is the number one best example of adult content being snuck into a Disney movie, but that the official story is that it happened outside of the Disney company, that once they gave up the. The Masters or whatever, the film reels over to the company that was supposed to convert it into a laser disc, that either someone in that leg of it or in the distribution arm, after it had all been converted to laserdisc, and after some executives signed off on it, that another edit to the laserdisc only copy had that frame of like a.

A naked woman inserted into it, but that you could only see it if you put it on a laserdisc player and you had to play it in slow motion, like frame by frame in order to get to it. It’s not like you would watch it and you’d be like, oh, my God, what was that? It wasn’t a Tyler Durden style insert. Like, you had. You had to have the technology. And it was kind of like this digital Easter egg is by Hustler. Right? Let’s see. Bed, Knives and Broomsticks. We already mentioned a little bit one of the few Disney movies that deals with Nazis, aside from the military propaganda films.

I just remember I liked that one a lot as a kid. And coming back to watch it again, I was like, yeah, this isn’t very good. That was one where the machine was gone when we watched it, I was like, oh, because that one was my Mary Poppins growing up. Like I said, I didn’t see Mary Poppins as a kid for some reason. I saw Bednams and Broomstick. So I got the. Like you said, I got the Nazi version. I guess I don’t know which one of those two is better, actually. I think culturally you’re better off knowing Mary Poppins.

Yeah, this is the better movie. That one’s at least entertaining. And the fact that Mary’s kind of evil is kind of fun. Fun. Whereas Bed, Doms and Broomsticks, it’s just kind of a drag, right? I guess the. The parts that you would be like, oh, there’s Nazis and skeleton warriors in this movie. But it doesn’t, it’s not as cool as it sounds describing it in Bed Knobs and Broomsticks. One thing that I missed when we covered this movie that I didn’t know at the time is that Angela Lansbury’s daughter was one of the very first members of the Manson girls.

Although she left the cult before they started getting into some of their darker things. But her daughter, Angela Lansbury’s daughter was one of the original cult members. Oh, so she is a fair weather Manson follower. Didn’t hang around when things got too weird. When things are too witchy. Some of the later Angela Lansbury comments on this kind of indicated that she fought to get her daughter out of this cult. That maybe she knew about it. I don’t know. It’s hard to tell what the truth is when it comes to Charles Manson. Colts. Sexy Fox. That’s gotta be.

That’s a top fiver for sure. Are we talking Robin Hood? We’re. Yeah, yeah. I said sexy Fox, didn’t I? Okay, that’s Robin Hood. That’s because there’s so many Robin Hood. You have to distinguish them, right, that this is Sexy Robin. You can just say Disney Robin Hood. But yeah, I think that this one helped usher in a new generation of furries like this. This movie single handedly added more to the furry demographic than pretty much anything else up to this point. I mean, let’s line up Russell Crowe, let’s line up Kevin Costner, Errol Flynn and then Sexy Fox.

You know, let’s not forget the, the men who wear tights. Is that what the name of it was? Oh, Men and Tights Carry. There we go. We put him in the lineup too. He comes close to being, to having the sexy Fox Sheen of sexy Fox because he’s got that smile. Although I don’t like that movie that much because I think really I, I think Alan Rickman is much funnier as the sheriff and the Costner one. So that’s a point there and then. I just don’t think Mel Brooks was like firing on cylinders when he made that movie.

The jokes are just too stupid for me. Fair. I mean, I, I still love it. I still absolutely love that one. Baseball’s right on the line. I love Spaceballs, but I will admit the jokes are stupid. History of the World, Part 1. I like that one. So they’re definitely underrated. Mel Brooks are like high anxiety. Yeah, I just never warmed up. You know what it was though? Is that Robin Hood Men in Tights was the only. I think the only Mel Brooks movie that was made for me. New. I don’t know how else were like all the other Mel Brooks movies I came across.

Like, they. They came out before I was born or they came out before I was cognizant. But this. But Robin Hood Men in Tights came out and I was able to see it in theaters and get the jokes and appreciate Mel Brooks. Like, maybe not at his peak, but like a current version of him. Okay. I did get to see Spaceballs in the movie theater. And then my aunt was Mel Brook Brooks obsessed, so she just had his entire 60s. The producers in 70s library at home. At her home. So when we go there for vacation, I would just hardcore Mel Brooks and the Marx Brothers and battles.

Number one. Yes. Young Frankenstein I appreciate more than enjoy. I’m like, it’s a. This, like, this is an amazing movie that. But it’s just not as fun to watch as Blazing Saddles for me. Yeah. Producers I will watch. I love. I’ve never seen the musical version. I’ve never seen the movie of the musical because I’m like, I heard it doesn’t have LSD in it. So I’m like, no, I don’t need that. Oh, I don’t think I’ve seen the Mel Brooks version of Producers. I’ve only seen. Oh, when they. When they hire their Hitler actor, they hire this.

This hippie guy whose name is LSD and he does a song called Love Power. He’s tripping out the whole time. And oh, man, I love the original. The original 68 movie so much. I just refused to watch any of the later versions. Same with Hairspray. I never saw the. The movie. I never saw the musical because I like the. And John Waters and is involved in both. And I guess Mel Brooks is probably involved in the later Producers at some degree. But I’m just like, no, I like the original Hairspray. I like the original producer so much.

I just like, I don’t want to do a later version. The. The Hairspray with Ricky Lake’s not bad. It’s. I mean, it’s not. I’ve heard the only I’ve heard. It’s really great. Except for Travolta, who’s puts in his worst performance ever. That’s what I’ve been told. Maybe. Maybe before Battlefield Earth and a few. Yeah, this is after Battlefield Earth. So was it. I mean, definitely not worse than about. So anyways, to tie this back to Robin, I do I do think that Robin Hood stays in my top five easily. Battlefield. Sure. Especially since. Not just because of the animation and because of McCloset furry, but also because it represents Frasier’s golden bough so well, that Robin Hood is.

Is probably my favorite example of that story about a foreigner comes into a kingdom, has to win competition to show that he has merit in order to get the hand of Maid Marion, the princess, and then ultimately kill the king. Although that’s not the part that they expand on in this particular version, but that’s kind of the premise. In that case, it’s not good to be king. Sorry, Mel Brook. Oh, it was good in that movie. No, it wasn’t. He got his head. No, he almost got his head cut off. That’s what happened. No, the piss boy almost got cut off.

I need to re watch again. Special shout out. I did watch History of the World Part 2, which is as good as History of The World Part 1. Not as good as you remember. History Part of the World Part one being. That’s my review of that. History of the World Part one and two versus Hot Shots Part one and do. Ooh, okay, You’ve just done so much poor man toe. I’ve lost what the train of thought. History of the World versus Hotshots. Well, it’s been out for two years and I can spoil a little bit. The History of The World Part 2 of the TV series ends with.

With a preview for Jews in Space, which you will be seeing in History of the World Part two, Part two, which I was. Oh, that’s great. That they’re just like, no, no, it’s not in here. But you get another preview, which is much more like. It has a lot more in it than the one in the. In Part one, but it’s still like, no, it’s a preview for part two, season two. No, it’s part two, Season two. That’s what they say. Well, they could just release Spaceballs too and be like, this is the Jews in Space movie.

They. Well, that’s basically what it was in the first place. Right. So we never needed it. That’s part of the joke. You got it. You just, you know, maybe you didn’t completely notice it. Another one that I think was 70s that we. We didn’t just mention. But yeah, no Mobile, which we watched and is notable just because it clearly takes place in the Redwood Forest. And I think that you can. You can twist it a little bit and say that there’s a Bohemian Grove connection there, especially since Walt Disney, I believe either was a member or a guest at one point of Bohemian Grove.

But it wasn’t necessarily his favorite thing. So he went out and started or joined another secret society that was similar to that called Los Red and Cheros, I believe. Unless I’m making that up. And then we had his Reds whatever lounge. And they just put out the creepy robot right. Of the parks which has the pin from his. His. His. His farm or his ranch or whatever. So all that. The no mobile is worth watching just because of the connotations with Walt Disney being in secret to. Yeah. And that one was the last movie he was involved with.

Is actually 67. So it’s not 70. So that’s also interesting for being the last movie that Disney was at least giving notes on. What a one to go out on. Well, you could. You could theoretically also say the Jungle Book. I don’t think he had much to do with that one at all. Let’s see. A whole bunch of poo. We got a big pile of poo. We’re about to do more poo. We like to do poo around here. But the 70s did have the many adventures of Winnie the Pooh. The first movie is just a rough watch, man.

It’s a bit of it. I agree. It’s still really funny to me to think that in the movie itself, the narrator like, skips a bunch of pages because the narrator realizes how boring the story really is. And it’s like, all right, then a bunch of stuff happens and you. You can actually see them physically skipping through all these different pages. Best analogy for that entire movie. Dear listeners, I am chomping at the bit to do the 2011 one whole. It’s coming. I feel like the other. The other Winnie the Pooh movies are actually pretty damn good.

The. Take it. The one we haven’t done yet is the best by far movie. Yeah. And I haven’t seen the. The one that we’re talking about 2011 yet. So that’ll be my. My first watching of it. Yeah, I. I see all other foo movies. It’s a shadow. But let’s just get out. I think you said you wanted to say a little bit about. Was it Tigger or Huffalumps, which we might as well do now. While we’re on the topic. Yeah, I mean, I just. Just as a quick recap, the Tigger was about gaslighting. It was about.

Oh yeah, everyone in town basically creating an artificial reality for Tigger. It had a Truman show aspect to it. And I think again, Disney movies being a child’s first explanation of some fairly advanced concepts. This is one that’s like, oh, people all around you could fabricate an entire reality and lie to you, maybe with your best interest at heart. So therefore, maybe forgive them, but that. It’s a very real thing that you might encounter in this life. And I just think that they’re all. They’re cute. They’re all dressed as Tiggers now. Yay. Right? But it’s. It’s because they don’t want him to leave, right? And go and find his family.

They think they’re. That he’s either gonna get lost or not find the family out there. So they create this whole. It’s very Truman show esque, but they’re all convincing themselves it’s altruistic. But in reality, it’s pretty selfish. If they really wanted to be altruistic, they’d be like, hey, we’ll all go with you. Power and numbers. Let’s all go and search and try and find your family. Unless they know something that Tigger doesn’t. Like there was a great Tigger holocaust. In which case, again, Tigger is still being gaslit by his best friends and family, which it’s. It’s hard to get over that one.

Right? Like, everyone that you know that’s supposed to be your friend has all tried to lie to you to prevent you from finding your real family. That seems like something will be very hard to get over. I will give Tigger movies memorable because I am seeing here what happened in the Piglet movie. And I’m. They were on a log at the end, on a waterfall. Or was that. This is perfect, though. This is actually very perfect because Piglet’s big movie was all about Piglet losing his memory. And he lost his memory because they found his journal where Piglet would, like, sketch out all the things that have happened to him because he’s a poor MK Ultra, you know, survivor.

And they accidentally lose all these sketches. They fall into, like, a river and they just. They wash away. So that entire movie is really about Piglet getting amnesia and forgetting all these past traumas. And the rest of the town again. All his friends coming together and drawing new memories into them. Like, they are putting false memories implanted into Piglet’s head. And then they talk about these new memories that they’ve created. So again, even the Piglet movie, it’s like, these are not your friends. You. I would never want to be friends with anyone in Winnie the Pooh.

Into the thousand. Oh, no. Stay out of the 100 acre wood. No, that’s what Christopher Robin, the Antichrist, does most of the time. I mean, he’s not there that often. That’s, that’s probably smart on his part, I guess. Worth pointing out that Toy Story seems to be an evolution of Winnie the Pooh. And the main difference is that Christopher Robin, he’s the one that gives life to all of his toys. And it’s debatable as whether they are actually alive or not, or this is all happening in his head. Whereas Toy Story is the complete inversion of that.

It’s that all your toys really are alive, but they can’t ever let you know about that because they, they’ve seen Jungle Book. Essentially. They know what happens when you let a human into your, your magical environment and then huff a lumps. I think you said you had a little more you want to say about Huffalumps. Huffle Lumps was the way that you teach children about xenophobia. This is. And like, about racism and about prejudice in a very like, white gloved way. I think that that’s, that’s the reason the Huffle up movie exists. But the, the Heffalams have also kind of been Retconned into something a little bit nastier and more dangerous.

Yeah, yeah. In the Tokyo ride, the final room, there are seven ride vehicles, one of which is filled with Heffalumps and woozles. So that’s kind of fun. So Winnie the Pooh’s got a sprawling variety of different themes. They go on, but the very first one is absolutely the hardest watch. And the last one, which we haven’t got to which I will keep saying it’s the best. So hopefully I don’t build that up too much, but I think, I think it can survive the build up. We’ll see. Moving into the 80s now it’s time to just start saying what.

What do you think about the 80s? We got Roger Rabbit in there, we got the Mermaid, your toasters there. Although that’s not Disney production. Black Cauldron, you know, these are the ones that raised me, I think the most out of all the. The other movies were already classics by the time that I got my hands on them. So all the new Disney movies that came out, it was the first time that I actually got to experience the full pipeline of Disney Proxy executed on the screen. Here’s your Happy Meal toy, here’s the backpacks, and, you know, all the different ancillary goods.

So the 80s is the first time that I fully got to experience the real Disney universe. See, I’M realizing as an adult, I think my dad just doesn’t like animation because I did not see Black Cauldron or Mouse Detective or Brave Little Toaster Oliver Company in the theater. Maybe the Little Mermaid, I don’t even remember. But I did see, you know, Back to the Future, Ghostbusters and Gremlins. I’m like, oh, he was. Just didn’t want to go see the Disney movies. For me, I think it was more of a grandparents thing. I think my grandparents brought me to see.

Oh, my grandparents didn’t take me to movies. So, okay, there we go. They live far away, only visited for a few days. So there we go. That’s it. So, yeah, like, I was seeing the classics. Like, maybe they’d take, you know, the preschool out to the theater one summer morning to see the retro screening and I’d see that, but I wouldn’t see, like, the new one. So because I remember American Tail, I wanted to see that. And then I think they just gave me the book. All those Bluth movies, they were great too, but they didn’t have the same Disney quality to them.

And maybe quality is the wrong word there. I don’t like better made or more merit. But they didn’t have that Disney proxy. This in the same way I get technically, Littlefoot was a Disney proxy, right? Yeah. American Tail, that’s a pretty dark one, at least. Yeah. No, you’re not. You’re not wrong on any of those. And I don’t remember when I was six or seven years old, I really wanted to see it for some reason. I don’t remember why. Maybe I just got sucked in by the marketing. I mean that one for sure. Because American Tail, they had trading cards and Happy Meal, they had everything.

And that was one of those big Don Bluth. And I think that visually I always liked the Don Bluth animations more, but they didn’t have the same marketing engine behind them that say, like the Little Mermaid had behind it. So Little Mermaid got embedded in my head way deeper than any of Don Blue’s stuff. And then also Disney would follow everything up with. And here’s some. Some direct to video sort of like side stories. Here’s maybe a little cameo in a cartoon. Here’s a Game Boy, Sega, Nintendo game to go with it. Like, they really hit hard whenever they released a new property.

The Little Mermaid, I feel like, is one we don’t. I mean, we regularly revisit that one because that is a pretty touchstone. Not, not to talk about Disney subsidiary, but a pretty touchstone. Photo. Photo film in there catalog. That’s when you keep coming back to. Right. This is one where, again, female loses her agency. But the most interesting part, a Little Mermaid, is that the original Hans Christian Andersen version was that she realized that she was not a human, like a Rosicrucian way, and that therefore there was no afterlife for her. So if you die as a mermaid and you don’t find true love in a human, then you just turn into sand.

And the only ways to do to. To live forever, to at least reincarnate, would be true love. Human has to fall in love with you or you have to kill them. So in the original story, she doesn’t fall or she doesn’t get the guy to fall in love with her, and then her siblings and her family members are trying to convince her to kill him and just steal his soul, which I still think would have been way cooler in the Disney movie. But then she kind of turns into a villain if the. If her family is even suggesting that to her and she even considers it for a second.

It’s hard to come back from that and sell little girls. Is like, this is the new princess. And at one point she might have killed the prince. Yeah. Although worth reiterating, it had been 30 years since Disney did one of their princess movies, and maybe it’s because of being a very different time, but Ariel does feel like the first, like, somewhat relatable one, the one who feels a little bit more like a real person, because Snow White and Snow White Aurora, they don’t feel like real people. Hell, I would actually say Cinderella, of the original princesses, feels the most real.

And maybe that’s what’s annoying, because I’m like, now she doesn’t seem that smart. Like, if Snow White seemed more real, she’d seem kind of dumb. I would say, oh, man. Merida from Brave is one of the more realistic. Yeah, but that’s jumping another 30 years almost into the future, isn’t it? No, no, absolutely. But, yeah, I’m thinking Ariel sort of being the first one where it’s like, oh, she feels like. Like maybe she doesn’t have agency, but at least she feels like a character, you know? Well, and then going from the 80s into the early 90s, you’ve got Belle, and in the original Beauty and the Beast, she was a princess, but they changed that in the Disney version.

And they bake, basically make her a commoner. And her dad is like this failed inventor. He’s kind of like the dad from Gremlins, and she gets married away and they, they took that part out. But she still technically is a princess because when she gets with the beast, now he’s the prince, right? So the princess by proxy. I, I will say that I still seem to like that movie less than most people. I really don’t like that movie much. But I really like the ride. The ride in Tokyo is amazing. So I love the ride. Don’t like.

Yeah, yeah, it’s super impressive. So I love the ride. Don’t like the movie so much, which is kind of a weird disconnect. And I guess we have to mention that the original premise for Beauty and the Beast story was this is what you tell your 12 or 13 year old daughter right before you marry her off to some ruffian that lives out in the middle of the woods for, you know, dowry purposes. And it’s like, all right, honey, you know this 40 year old man that we just sold you off to, he might look like an unkempt beast that smells and he’s hairy and he’s dirty, but if you cook and clean really well for him, then maybe you’ll find a prince buried deep down under all that.

But although the ride, I will say just it does kind of law you because you get in this big like soup bowl thing and it, it’s trackless so it dances around the room and then it’s swaying around so it’s like, it’s, it’s treating you like a baby. Like you’re, like you’re rocking a baby around. Fun. But yeah, it is good. It is interesting. Like that one’s very. And it’s. The hypnotic effect of that ride is extremely interesting I find, especially once you’ve been on it a few times. I think that movie too maybe could, could be stretched to include that she becomes this apprentice in magic or like a novice, because that one also shows magic being used to perform like these mundane activities like, like cooking and cleaning.

Now that we’re the 90s, I, I guess we just need to like cherry pick a couple. Also we’ve done these more recently, so maybe it doesn’t need as much revision. But is there something, would you like me to shout out a list or do you have something in front of you? What year was Hunchback in Notre Dame? That’s in the 90s. You can do it back. The one thing that I missed, we went over this and I think I read this in a, in a Tracy Twyman write up. But, but that the original story of Hunchback and Notre Dame, Victor Hugo was making these really deep coded messages maybe about the transfer and the turning of the tides.

That secret knowledge was originally built in architecture in masonry and freemasonry, and that all these secrets that were built up in these cathedrals in which the hunchback is kind of overseeing and protecting, he was the protector of this secret arcane knowledge. But that the, it’s. This is very meta. Right. The book Hunchback of Notre Dame represented the transfer. That secret knowledge is now no longer going to be hidden away in stone. Now it’s going to be in the pages of this printing press. And that published books were going to now supplant secret knowledge being baked into architecture.

Now it’s just going to be in paper for accessible to everyone. And that the entire premise of the Hunchback of Notre Dame is really about the shifting dynamic of the elites baking their information into cathedrals, into. Now it’s going to be accessible to the rest of the world. I’m gonna go all the way back to scarabre. Wasn’t that the whole thing there? You go through the structures and you learn how to farm? I mean, essentially. Yeah, I mean that’s. This is not unheard of that you would bake this kind of information. Look at, at stained glass windows in a lot of old cathedrals.

It’s, it’s. They’re literally just mnemonic devices. Right. You look at it and you’re like, oh, that’s the whole story. And I can trace back all the different steps. They still love carving stuff into stone in Japan, by the way. This is like, I feel like maybe in Japan, like obviously knowledge is in books a lot, but I think they’re still pretty keen to put it into the structure as well. There’s Japanese Freemasonry. Oh yeah. Or something else. But yeah, something along those lines for sure. I mean the whole thing, like traditional temple building, no nails, all the wood just fits together.

You know, that’s a, that, you know, you have to have guilds and guilds, you know, you get a little more secretive as you do that. So I would say it’s probably a different flavor, but. Yeah, yeah. So you don’t have a, a nice healthy Japanese CIA that really loves brutalism and decided to just change the entire landscape of architecture to subdue the human creativity in the mind. Well, that’s. You’ve seen photos of Japan. I have some on my phone again, where you have a very old looking structure which might not be old, it might be rebuilt or something, you know, next to some gleaming, you know, like glass and steel structure.

Right. So they just always sit next to each other. Brutalist stuff. We have the dogs and Demons when Japan, when the yen was really powerful in the late 80s and 90s, it’s like you get this giant budget and you use it or you lose it. So tiny villages will have these, like, massive concrete like. Like art centers, you know, which they don’t need at all. So. But yeah, the phrase. There’s a book called Dogs and Demons about that, which just. And you’ll see road. They do road construction the same place, like, every year. Just like, use it or lose it.

Right. You use the money or you don’t get that in your budget next year. I mean, this is. This also what you see is them rebuilding the same road over and over. What I see is that’s. That’s how we get Neon Genesis Evangelion. Like, it’s. We’re doing more road construction. Oh, yeah, yeah. Maybe they’re building Tokyo three under me. I don’t know. They’re building mech factories under your feet. That’d be cool. Okay. The 90s, Doug’s first movies in there. If you had anything else about there. Disney Doug is. Is kind of dead to me. I mean, I love the entire franchise, but Disney kill Doug.

Disney Doug dead. You. A Bug’s Life is that. I like that movie. When it came out and I was about to say, is it bottom five now? Just because it looks like bottom five is strong. Bottom something for sure. Bottom five. Pixar. Yeah. Other ones. Hercules. I still like Hercules. The stop motion ones. The Cell Snick ones. Jameson’s Giant Peach. Nightmare for Christmas. We talked about the Lion King as bugs a little bit already. A Goofy movie seems to continue to be growing in the zeitgeist. I’ve just. Since we’ve done the podcast, like, a year and a half ago, I feel like more and more people like Goofy Movie, Goofy Movie, Power Line.

Maybe I just didn’t notice before, but. Yeah. That there was also a fairly popular. I want to say it was. Oh, Keenan and Not Keenan and Kel. Key and Peel. There were. I think there was a Key and Peele episode that. No, it was. It was Atlanta. I think it was either Key. Sorry, it was either Key and Peele or the. The show Atlanta with Donald Glover. I think I know where you’re going with this, so. And they had this entire, like, mini documentary episode about how the Goofy movie was the first black Disney movie and that everyone in the Goofy family are basically black.

And, like, that’s why Goofy junior Loves A rapper that kind of looks like MC Hammer and, like, all these other things that play into it. So that kind of re. Injected into the zeitgeist of the Goofy movie. But also, the Goofy movie has Bigfoot in. Has. I want to say Poltergeist Sl. Demonic possession or. Or something in it. Because there’s that one scene when freaking Max is sitting in the car, and he opens up the glove compartment, and the map just falls out, and a pen just, like, points exactly where he needs to go. Like, this is some sort of a demonic entity that is leading Max down the wrong path.

And he. And he takes it. And it’s never explained. There’s really no supernatural quantities explained as to why that all played it out that way. But, yeah, that. That’s one where I’m like. That one sticks in the mind pretty well. You remember the concert at the end, you know, is that one that. I guess mom’s dead, but otherwise there’s not much. Is a Goofy movie. One that doesn’t really have a proxy? Yeah, I don’t know if that one necessarily has a proxy. That one also was not, I don’t think, supposed to be a theatrical release originally.

Right. So it didn’t. It might not have gone through all the same balance. And, yeah, I think it was just a. Hey, this is good. Let’s put in the theater. Which they were correct in that case. And I think it was reasonably successful. So sometimes you make the right decision. And I think this one also bolstered the furry community a little bit more, too, with Roxanne. Oh, right. Yeah. Let’s see. Shall we move on into 2000s? Yeah. You’re driving at this point. I guess I’m driving. Yeah. Okay. Fantasia 2000. Anything new you want to throw on that? The.

If you’re gonna watch Fantasia, definitely watch the version that also includes the Salvador Dali at the end. And just keep in mind, I think it’s important that Fantasia, again, was not supposed to be. You sit down, you watch this linear movie that every time you watched it, the original idea was that you’d hear slightly different music. You might see different animations kind of stitched throughout it. And then it was constantly evolving. And the only way that we can really watch Fantasia now is the original and then the 2000. And then you can go and watch, like, the Salvador Dali separate from all of that as, like, a work print.

The last three from 2000, add in the dolly. That’s a good movie. Much better than the one we got. I think they really should. The technologies existed since at least DVDs where you could hit play and it would just kind of shuffle a bunch of different animations together and stitch them like it’s a new version of Fantasia each time you watch it. But. But Fantasia 2000, man, the little intermission slash cameos are just the worst. Oh, I forgot about this. It ruins anything that might be good about that movie. I think that the original Fantasia worth repeating that that is Disney’s magical incantation to create the Disney universe.

Like the reason that we have a Disney universe that has lasted so long and all these theme parks and all the movies that came after it. You mentioned Maleficent’s silhouette, like her entire. Like the. The symbol of her that originally came from Chernobog, which came from the original Fantasia. So Fantasia is literally like the very first spell that Disney cast out into the world. And everything else that comes out of Disney is sort of a reverberation of this Fantasia spell of the cast. I’m kind of skipping the Pixar because I feel like we already talked about them a bit.

If there’s one I see that we need to bring up again. But we mentioned Toy Story, mentioned Bray Wench buying Nemo and Monsters Inc. Dinosaur, Disney’s first full on seeds. Well, no, it’s. The backgrounds are not cgi. I think I hate dinosaur. I think I hate Baby Alador. I remember not hating dinosaur as much as. Definitely as much as you. And as much as a lot of the. The reviews about it. I think it talks about Lemuria, it talks about the meteor theory. It’s also kind of presents this Disney version of Incels to children. Like. Like the dinosaur movie is ahead of its time in so many really weird ways.

We’ll. We’ll have to talk about that one a little more too because we’ll be doing the good Dinosaur Pixar’s one before too long. So that’s obviously rife for comparison. We have this little wilderness era where they try doing the boys movies with Atlantis and Treasure Planet, which I think good. Like. Yeah, I don’t know what secret sauce was missing. Well, Treasure Planet, I can’t really tell you what happened. I can tell you what it looked like. So maybe that’s part of the problem. Atlantis, I think, is a legit good movie. I don’t know why that one didn’t do better.

Dark color palette, maybe. Maybe a little bit too high tech to be, you know, maybe a little too nerdy in a certain way. Yeah, it takes a little while to. To ramp up into it. That could Be part of it. But I. I do like that. I. I liked recess schools out, and I never watched that TV show, but then that had a bunch of weird, like, conspiracy stuff in it. So that was kind of fun, that one. That one Recess, yeah. Was all about, like, CIA and alien invasions and. And, like, mind control wipes. That one, I think, is an example of where Disney took a TV series and elevated it or at least met what you were expecting from it.

Unlike what they did with Doug. Yeah, but I. Yeah, I remember that. You know, like, some of these movies, I’m like, what was this again? And I’m like, oh, that was a good one. I. I could see watching that again someday. Possibly. Probably not, but, you know, maybe in that same category, maybe not as good, but Teacher’s Pet. Teacher’s Pet was also. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I’d say a step down, but yeah. Also at least fun to watch, But I don’t remember much of what happened there. There. That one was the pro transhumanism agenda. That’s right. Right.

As long as you can get surgery that makes you look like a little boy going to school. Oh, yes, yes. Okay. It’s coming back to me. But see, I had to have you explain to me. Recess. I’m like, yeah, I remember that Return to Neverland. Geez, I’ve forgotten that one for the most part. Orphan Trains. That’s the one that talks about the orphan trains, which is a wild rabbit hole. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Okay, see, I’m looking at the plot summary, but definitely not a memorable. I think I remember the Jungle Book, too. Better than Return to Neverland.

And speaking about, like, real world Disney proxy, this is where people like the orphan trains. They literally would load their children up on trains and send them out into the countryside because they were expecting that they might get shells. So save the children. And if you look into what happened to all those kids that got shipped out front to the countrysides, not all of them made it back. Some of them. Maybe the. The farm needed their help more than it needed them to get back to their original set of parents. Maybe some horrific things happened to them, but it was.

It wasn’t like every single child was accounted for after the orphan trains. The other side of the wilderness of the 2000s, I guess, would be the emperor’s new groove. Brother Bear, the range. And I don’t. I can’t find myself. I hate any of those movies, Although I don’t like any of them that much either. So I guess that’s why it’s a Wilderness period with animal movies. Brother Bear was one of the first. I don’t think it was the first. It was one of the first in a new trend of humans or bad guys. I guess Jungle Book might have been one of the, the first that really starts planting this like, humans are the enemies kind of seed.

But it definitely is prevalent in Brother Bear big time. Yeah, I’m testing your theory by looking at some other stuff, but yeah, that sounds about right to me. So because, because this is in my mind, this is kind of important because the earlier Disney movies, the whole idea was that human consciousness was so sacred and so special that it was essentially, it was the magic. The fact that, look, you call it like Christ consciousness in like a Rosicrucian sense. Right. But whatever you would consider like this miracle of human life, that, that is the thing that was attracting magic constantly.

And that’s what was fueling the Disney universe. And then sometime around Jungle Book and then going forward now all of a sudden it’s not the, the human, you know, consciousness that’s sacred. That’s the thing that’s going to ruin the natural consciousness that like nature is where the magic’s actually at and it’s got nothing to do with humans and humans are going to ruin it all for everybody. Yeah. I’m looking to list in a 2000. There’s such like obvious little clumps of movies. In fact, I didn’t mention Lila and Stitch, which I already said, like kind of my favorite just because it, it’s such an outlier in the 2000s.

Like it’s a movie that like accidentally came out or something, you know. Right. Had Elvis conspiracy theory. I had the first time that we actually see a real CIA agent and they kind of identify themselves cells as such, not CIA, but they’re obviously Men in Black. Yeah, we get, we get that. I’m just thinking this idea that humans again are like minuscule compared to everything else going on, where this like non remarkable blip in the system, they don’t even care about. They just care about mosquitoes. And we only exist so that mosquitoes have something to feed on.

Yes, yes, but that’s one where I think it would. They didn’t expect much of it. And now it’s kind of like one of their bigger, you know, ips, like fully original ones. Right. I mean, maybe they stole them from something, but seems like it’s theirs. And that one, that one Disney proxy is iffy. Like, we clearly have an orphaned kid. Yeah. Mom’s gone. Parents are gone. Yeah, yeah. I Guess it doesn’t. I mean, Stitch could possibly be the thing that the, you know, lost his entire planet and his entire species. Yeah. So not. Not a proxy movie.

But again, it’s just that that was not made in the main studio, and it’s just a weird outlier that became wildly successful on accounts of, well, being good. You know? Oh, there’s the CGI wilderness. We haven’t discussed that. There’s the one Disney made themselves. There’s two categories here. The Chicken Little, Meet the Robinsons, Bolt stream, which I would say those movies get better. Chicken Little, that was also about conspiracy theory. Maybe one of the very first modern ones about straight up conspiracy theory. And the, you know, government being against letting information out into the world. And the fact that no one, like, believed Chicken Little, which I guess was the original premise on that.

And then what? We. We went back and watched the original Disney cartoon, and you learned that the original Chicken Little was really about Mein Kampf, right? Am I. Am I getting that right? Oh, the. The animage from the. Yeah, yeah. Propaganda. Minecamp. What? No, Propaganda is a newer one. I don’t remember. Yes, you’re correct. That’s the World War II, vintage one. Yeah, the. The original version of Chicken Little was really say better. Don’t. Don’t. Yeah, it was better, but the original message was don’t work yourself up into a frenzy, because that’s how the Nazis are going to kill everybody.

But in the adaptation, the newer version of Chicken Little, it’s really like, you’re not crazy. Whatever you saw, you actually saw, and you need to be persistent. It’s. It takes the original message and it completely inverts it. But I would say Meet the Robinson is better in Chicken Little, Bolt’s better than that, and Tangles better in all of those easily. So, know, it is nice to see them step up their game over a few years. Meet the Robinsons, I feel, has the darkest backstory that we don’t really get to know because of that freaking poor orphan kid that’s constantly being physically abused and always has black eyes and turns into, like, the.

The arch villain of the entire series. I feel that that kid’s backstory is so dark. It’s way darker than anything Pinocchio ran into. And then Bolt would be the third of that. If you have anything you want to add on Bolt. I mean, another gaslighting thing, right? This is another CIA operation. False memory. A little more Truman Show. In that case, very, very Truman Show. Yeah, the last thread, I guess we have to pull. Unless you want to pull the outside CGI movies, which is kind of a hellhole to jump into. But there is that being Valiant in the Wild, if you’re wondering.

But there. There’s other Pixar as we. If you want to say anything more about what we got the Incredibles Cars, which we. I guess we could did that when we did Car Twos. A few Cars Two a few weeks ago. But then, yeah, that. The kind of in between trilogy of Ratatouille, Wally and Up, which is Pixar basically doing their own thing without any oversight. Wild, I think was interesting because they actually have that one human sacrifice sequence towards the very end that they have to kind of like sneak their way out of. And there’s not.

Maybe aside from Chernobog and Fantasia, there’s not a lot of direct references to a real sacrificial ritual in like a scary Way Going to the Darkness. And we got that Fantastic one and Watch youh in the woods. But right. Right then. And I’m just always, as you know, I’m always throwing the deleted scene in as part of that. So just to qualify that Valiant entry. Interesting history lesson. Had every British actor in it. Kind of a squib of a movie. Yeah, I thought that one was interesting because it. It did like it. It taught me something new about history that I guess I didn’t know as much and that’s that freaking carrier pigeons are still being used in warfare, like even now in 2025.

But the most recent one, I guess was Operation Iraqi Freedom and they were still using carrier pigeons there because I guess a carrier pigeon can’t as easily be hacked. And I mean you just see a bird. But there was actual. Like you could join the military and be in the military for six years and rank up and your job was just to work with carrier pigeons the entire time. I think that in itself is remarkable. That Pixar run. I just mentioned Cars, I think we did most on. But yeah, yeah, let’s see. Ratatouille up Wally. What are my favorite of those three? I think it’s now I think Ratatouille might be taking the.

The spot having done the review. Really. Ratatouille is the one that shows the dead rats. Is the. The first time that I think Disney. Oh yeah. That rodents can die and be hung and poison and there’s some other like, you know, like Nazi Germany and connotations of that one. I don’t know why I think. But for me, Wally and Ratatouille, you’re kind of neck and Neck in some ways for totally different reasons. Up below. Okay. See, Wally is. It’s just again, it’s got the Full Metal Jacket syndrome where the first 45 minutes are amazing and the rest of them we just can’t measure up.

Yeah, it’s a fair point. Yeah, it’s hard to put all the. And for some reason I never really considered the Pixar movies in like my top anythings because they almost feel like they’re their own category. More and more though, I think we do have to start. Like, I would have agreed with you fully when those movies came out. All of the movies. Right. Yeah. This just been tangled so much. Right. We don’t have to talk about that one yet though, I guess that pretty much. It brings us to 2010, which seems like a good cutoff point for today because anything else is something we’ve talked about like, like, you know, since April.

Yeah. Very recently. No, I mean, honestly, it’s been fun going over these over 100 movies so far. And again, there’s not a lot of people out there that are sane like us. And I say that tongue in cheek a little bit, but I don’t know. I wouldn’t consider myself a Disney adult, even though I’ve now watched hundreds of Disney movies voluntarily over the last couple years. When we started, I couldn’t say that, but now I’m like going to the park. I’m like, I don’t. I think I have to claim that I might be now. It’s horrible.

Well, this show didn’t do it. I wouldn’t blame it on this show turning you into a Disney adult. I’ll blame it on that. That bureaucratic pay bump. I do. I do have to say though, going into this, the original idea was like, okay, what kind of a cold cult symbolism and crazy backstories can we dig up about all these Disney movies? Quite a few. And I feel. Quite a few. But I feel like I’m more endeared to Disney than I’ve been repulsed by it through watching all these Disney movies. Maybe that is just going to show how good the freaking MK Ultra Disney programming truly is.

That even if I go in as a skeptic, maybe even antagonistic, somehow I end up going to the Disney parks more now and I’ve spent more money than in the last 10 years. No, I mean again, Tangled, I. I kind of saving, I guess the next time we do this. But that is one where what we found or what you found, but I. The production stuff maybe doesn’t make it that much Better. But like all the stuff you found like that makes this movie like way more interesting and I already liked in the first place, so you know, makes it a better movie.

I think all these movies, they represent mnemonic devices. They, they represent, if you can remember what happened in the movie and what happens to the characters and how they evolve over the course of the story, hero’s journey style, and if you can identify all the different archetypes. Now when someone brings up say like Pinocchio, the cool thing is that like, okay, now I’m thinking about Rosicrucianism, I’m thinking about Giuseppe Mazzini, I’m thinking about child labor laws and like, like 18th and 19th century Italy. Like that’s not as normal. But now I can do that with all these different Disney movies.

So even if the Disney movies themselves have programmed me to spend more money on licensed Disney goods or whatever, even if they’ve had that effect, it also means that if I think of any of those Disney movies we’ve watched, I’ve kind of put my own meaning into these, you know, like now like I can’t ever think of Beauty and the Beast without being that annoying person. It’s like, you know, this is about marrying off your 13 year old to a stranger. Right. Like that’s, it’s just fun to be able to take these things that were, you know, 10, like at this point, what, hundreds of millions of dollars in production, maybe even billions of you added all up cumulatively from the 40s till today.

Budget for that live action Snow white was like 250. Okay. So collectively, collectively we’re looking a lot a billion dollars in, in R D by the day. That’s low bond. Yeah. Like to repurpose that for your own good is probably one of the best things that you can do with this. So if you’re watching occult Disney and following along and remembering some of these weird quirky trivia style facts, what you’re really doing is you’re reclaiming some of that real estate that Disney thought that they owned. They thought that they now controlled what version of Robin Hood you thought of.

Or when someone said Cinderella, Alice in Wonderland. But with a cult Disney now you can be like, like, yeah, I brought that image to mind. But I also now remember that the Little Mermaid was actually Gonn and she was gonna steal his soul. So, so maybe not so fast Disney. Yeah. And just to keep in mind, you know, like there’s the corporate thing which you’re always wondering what, what, what secret pushes accompanying. But you still have very good artists, you know, actually doing this stuff and that come. That’s what makes a movie good, you know, so when you have again, Valiant, one of the reasons it didn’t work so well, it was a bunch of people in England doing it for the first time, right? So there were hurdles where a crack crew, you know, making Frozen or something, like, they know what they’re doing and they do it well.

Here’s another analogy that sometimes I. I bring up on my American Paranoid American podcast. It’s one of my favorite questions to ask people, but that. Do you think that social media could ultimately be used for good and transform humanity? And I want to say 100% of people that I’ve posted. Well, let me ask you, do you think that social media could be used to improve humanity in. In like, significant ways if it, if it were used properly? I was gonna say as a English teacher, I’ll make the distinction between could be used versus can be used.

It could be, but it’s just like, right, why have we never had a. Had a communist utopia, right? Like, on paper it looks good, but the technology in the system, like social media, could completely revolutionize humanity. It could be used ultimately to spread knowledge and information and like all sorts of very admirable qualities that would improve life for everybody. It’s not used for that. It might be used for the exact opposite of that. And sometimes it almost feels like, if we’re lucky, there’s a balance between the harm it does and the good it does. But it’s there regardless, right? And I feel almost the exact same way about Disney now as a company, like Disney could put out a Disney movie that could ultimately transform lives.

Like, they actually make people’s lives significantly better because it provides extra insight and mnemonic devices and a frame of reference. It doesn’t exist already. Like, it has not only the capability of that through merit, of anyone that works there, they’ve got the budget, they’ve got the reach. They have the capability to truly transform the world in a positive way, but yet they maybe don’t, because that’s not necessarily what corporations are meant to do, but. But like the potential energy, right? Like the potent. The potential of what it could be makes me hopeful, like, maybe blind. Like, not blindly optimistic, naively optimistic that sometime in the future Disney could turn over a leaf and be like this altruistic thing for humanity.

Because just because it’s possible they’ve got the technology, the resources and the scale to do it. I don’t think they necessarily will the same way. I don’t think Facebook’s ever actually gonna, like, help humanity in the long run, but it could. Yeah. Yeah. If you could Facebook ever. Oh, God, no. But hey, I will say. Last week we had Jamie Hanshaw and she unlocked a memory of me when she was like, oh, I learned to read by age 3 from these Disney books. I was like, oh, I did too. And I hadn’t thought about that in 40 years, you know, so I’m like, that’s pretty wild.

So there’s some. Maybe that’s accidentally altruistic, but it kind of worked because most kids can’t read by age three. Yeah. Jostled free one of those MK Ultra memories that had been suppressed. It did. That’s what it felt like in Disney. And then she showed us that picture. I was like, holy crap. That was like the, the extra trigger. Because I was like, I know that image. So that was pretty wild. So, yeah, I got. I. I got MK altered by Disney. That should be the next T shirt. I got MKUltra by Disney and all I got is this T shirt.

Yeah, there you go. Anyway, people can get T shirts from you. Various ones probably like the one you might be wearing that does say MK Ultra. No, this one. This one they can’t get. This is. This is a. A Mishka shirt. Although I, I have collaborated with the brand Mishka in the past, but it was musically. If you do want to get a Paranoid American shirt, you can go to paranoidamerican.com you might have seen me and Matt wearing occult Disney shirts, and I’ve even sent a few out to some previous guests. I sent one out to Afro.

I sent one out to Jamie Hanshaw. So if you see someone wearing an occult Disney shirt and you want one, the only way to get one is to be a guest on Occult Disney, unfortunately, because I’m not trying to open myself up to lawsuits from Disney that easily. But we’ve got a bunch of other really cool designs, so just go to paranoidamerican.com a lot of them I designed myself. So yeah, take. Take a. Browse through the website. We got comics and toys and games and all sorts of things to help deprogram you. I sit around ranting all day.

You find most of that down@podcastio.podcastius.org hey, if you’re doing this on YouTube, you might get this these episodes much earlier because I just kind of plonk the audio right in there when. When all willy nilly. So with a bit of editing, I, I’m not. Not that Un unprofessional. But yeah, we also talk about the Twilight Zone at Time Enough Podcast Talking about Severance over at Imprisoned in Prison and other Severance Podcast. I believe that is currently the proper name of it. The running joke there is that that my co host just says something at the beginning like even worse than I do for these films and filth.

We talk about a bunch of movies. Check those out. Okay, here’s to the funny thing is we still have another 100 episodes just of Disney ahead of us because of how prolific the corporation gets as we approach modern times. It’s like exponential. I’m ready for the next hundred. And we even branched out. We’ve been doing non Disney cartoons on a new podcast called Cartoon Cabal. So if you want to listen to us right now, do some anime. But eventually I’ve got a huge list like over a hundred different series, not episodes, but 100 different series of different comics and cartoons that we want to get into eventually.

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