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Summary
➡ An image of an alien was posted on 4chan and quickly deleted, sparking theories and discussions. Some believe an intelligence agency removed the image, while others think the uploader deleted it for attention. There’s also a theory that the alien picture is a distraction from sensitive information leaked on the site. Despite the image’s removal, discussions continue, with some claiming the original image made them physically ill.
➡ The speaker discusses the topic of alien abductions, suggesting that there might be a connection between abductions and family members who served in the military during World War II. They also mention that the reason for abductions could be due to specific genetic traits or blood types. The speaker also brings up the possibility of government experiments being mistaken for alien abductions, citing historical projects like Project Rainbow and the Manhattan Project. Lastly, they share a personal story about a friend who discovered her mother was born through an experimental fertilization process, possibly linked to military experiments, and believes she was abducted by aliens.
➡ A person shares their past Halloween costume where they dressed as a Nickelback fan, sticking nickels to a T-shirt. They also discuss a young man named Braden who acts older than his age and has a collection of photos, some of which are believed to be real images of aliens. The group also discusses a mysterious photo that was briefly posted on 4chan before the site went offline, causing confusion and speculation about its authenticity.
➡ The text discusses a controversial image that was allegedly posted on 4chan, which some believe to be of an alien or reptilian creature. The image was quickly removed and the website temporarily shut down, sparking conspiracy theories. Various versions of the image have surfaced, but many believe they are fakes created to mimic the original. The authenticity of the image remains a topic of debate, with some claiming it was not AI-generated or a deep fake, while others argue it’s a hoax.
➡ The text discusses a controversial image, possibly of a UFO, that was posted on 4chan. Some believe it’s real, while others think it’s a psychological experiment by intelligence groups to study human reactions. The text also mentions the Calvine photo, a famous UFO image, and the confusion between its real and fake versions. Lastly, it talks about a series on Rise TV about celebrities who claim to have had UFO encounters.
➡ The text discusses various images that are speculated to be of aliens, with the author expressing skepticism about their authenticity. The author also mentions a book by an anthropology professor who opposes political correctness and “wokeism”. The text ends with an invitation to join a platform called Rise TV for more episodes and documentaries, and a live Q&A session.
➡ Metaphysical Coffee and Rise TV offer a special bundle that includes coffee and a subscription at a good price. The series from Edge of Wonder explores topics like robots, gene editing, and social manipulation. There’s also a live Q&A session on Rise TV where you can ask your questions. The session ends with meditation and prayer.
Transcript
And with that, we’ll see you out on the edge. Foreign. Hi. This isn’t awkward at all. Just kidding. It’s not really. Hopefully Ben will be here soon. But apparently whatever storm he got caught in turned him beige. I don’t know what that means. I think he spelled something wrong but in the text message while he was messaging. But hopefully he comes back and you know, wait a minute, isn’t he already beige? He is beige. Okay, that’s good. Don’t change, Ben. Never change. Yeah, we’ve got a cool show for you tonight. I think the discussion about fake versus real UFO photos has been a really big one recently, especially with AI churning out a bunch of stuff.
But previous to AI, there has been no shortage of faked alien photography and or video alongside the real. And it’s very hard to tell what is real and what is not. So we’ve actually had a few episodes on Metaphysical where we went through this and had a really good time talking about it. So if you haven’t seen those episodes, you should check that out. Are you talking about your glitches in the Matrix? The glitches in the Matrix episode. But then there was also the, the episode with the alien and the autopsy that we went through and we discussed a lot about how much this happens.
And then recently John and I, this is an episode that’s going to be publishing next week. We had a whole episode on disinformation that actually that’s this week coming out. This Thursday. Yeah, this Thursday. And that’s the start of a very cool episode on the Dulce Firefight, which is, you know, the Dulce base in New Mexico. How much of that is real? I mean, it’s a big, big discussion. And, and we had that discussion. We had that discussion better than anyone else has ever discussed anything. So yeah, it’s gonna be, it’s gonna be a good one.
But we should take a Look at this 2000 mile UFO near Saturn that was picked up recently. Whoa. Now, believe it or not, this disc is 2,000 miles wide. So if you thought those little Foo Fighters were cute and cuddly. This thing’s bigger than the United States, practically. It would eclipse the United States. This is a Independence Day type craft that covers the entire sky. That’s what this is. It looks like it’s the same size as the craters. I almost feel like I can feel the little gray beings in there. Oh, there it is. Nipple cam.
Sorry, I had to. Okay. Yeah, I’m thinking. I mean, if that’s a. Who caught that photo? I didn’t catch that. Was that a NASA? Did NASA take that? I’m not sure if that one was, like, a repost from somebody else. We. I think we just found this on an Instagram account out there. It’s just going around. Okay. Probably. AI. I mean, let’s be honest. We have no idea. I hope it’s real. All right. Eerie. Big empty found near Saturn has scientists scratching their heads. This is pretty interesting because as Cassini made its first crossing last week, it turned to keep its large antenna in front of itself as a shield.
But it turns out that was unnecessary. So something is collecting the ether, whatever it is that you’d call it in that area. And Cassini didn’t even need its shield. That’s pretty bizarre. The spacecraft encountered very few particles, and none were larger than those found in smoke about 1 micron across, NASA officials said. Now, that’s very. That must be very strange for space. The region between the rings and Saturn is the big Empty, apparently. Earl Mays Cassini, project manager at NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory in California, said in the statement. Cassini will stay the course while the scientists work on the mystery of why the dust level is much lower than expected.
So I guess he’s flying into the part of Saturn’s already known Big empty. Is that correct? Looks like that’s what I’m. I’m getting from this, but it’s. It’s confusing. The scientists, I think, as well. See, although unexpected. Oops, Sorry. Although unexpected, the emptiness is certainly welcome. So I think they were expecting to encounter things that they’re not, which is interesting. That’s interesting. But it. Everything with NASA and science is always like particles. Let’s. Let’s look at some particles. Oh, look at this particle is different from that part. No one cares. NASA. Show us some UFO stuff.
Show us some cool stuff. Why don’t we get into, like, actual alien life and stuff like that? Instead of continually talking about nonsensical things that you guys are spending billions or trillions of dollars trying to study for no reason. Those are American tax dollars, by the way. I didn’t say it was okay to use my money that way. Just saying I got a lot to say on that subject. Okay, we should probably get into our first alien leak photo. Should we not? We should. Okay, probably. Should you be the judge? Is this a real alien or not? Okay, if this is not AI this has all the makings of a real alien.
Yes, real. I feel like there’s larvae in the lower part of its body or a Halloween costume or he just ate Taco Bell for the first time and we’ve got ourselves a whole lot of unexpected gas down there. That was a lovely image I got there. Thank you. I’m all about that. You can thank Green Eye for that because she put the idea of a fart thread in my mind. She commented. Fart thread. What did I miss? No, you didn’t miss anything. We were just talking about our disgusting little bug like alien creature that we pulled up in that.
Okay, Lindsay, though, seriously, do you think that, that that image is real? What are you thinking? What’s. What are you leaning towards on that one? I don’t want to be a party pooper. I just feel like gray alien with little black eyes. And this shaped body tends to be fake, especially when it’s going around on Twitter. Oh, yeah, but you can’t really say that because there’s a whole lot of real that’s always mixed in with the fake. I mean, that’s how the plausible. Okay, the entire issue with the government is always having a stream of real mixed in with a stream of fake for plausible deniability for any real things.
Now look at this guy. This guy is the gangster of all aliens. His name is Juan. This is not real. There’s no way. This is the. This is the cartel leader of the aliens. He’s the one that deals with the cartels directly and his name is Juan. Okay, can you click on that? So this is definitely not real. This says the first image is a pic that was shared by an alien interview researcher John Stewart a few months back. It’s an image that I had never seen before. At the time, the entity in the pic had a metallic looking armband on something we read hear about often in the UFO lore.
That’s this one that looks fake to me. That looks like a little guy with a, or a, or a normal sized man with a big alien head mask on or. You know what I mean? And then the second image is the result of asking ChatGPT to improve the focus on the first image without changing too many elements. That’s pretty good. I don’t know. It’s changed a whole lot. You can’t even ask mid journey to do that. So Chat GPT is making some strides. It just looks like he’s wearing shades right now. Yeah, it’s way too thick here.
But that’s what we just looked at before with somebody’s comment. My name is. They think it looks like a mask, but this is an image the person saved that does appear to be a real gray alien. This one really looks like that alien is caught with his pants down. On camera. He’s like, oh, he put his arm up and everything. And he’s like, what is that? But where did it come from? Where did it come from is the question. I mean, also the. This is. You can tell that this was taken in a very dark setting at night.
And then they up res. I mean, they tried to edit the image to bring out as much of the exposure as they could. And that’s why all of the artifacts you can see there. So this. What are artifacts? The artifacts are what. These kind of strange patterns you’re seeing in the image. When you try to pull information that’s not out of the image back into it, the image starts to kind of freak out a little bit. And you can tell that. That those artifacts that are around the alien are, as a result of them, editing to try to bring.
To make the entire thing brighter. This was taken in a very, very dark setting. They probably only had a little bit of brightness around the head and the body, and then they brought the whole thing out. I don’t think there was any airbrushing going on, though, because the airbrushing would eliminate those artifacts, and we don’t see any of that there. Now someone who’s very good at Photoshop would know how to create the artifacts in the image to lay over any airbrushing that was there. But that doesn’t seem to have been done. It doesn’t seem to have been done.
Okay, now Ben has a photo that, when he arrives, we’ll be looking at. We’re going to skip that for now and let him introduce that whole thing. Okay, so there was an alien image deleted by 4chan soon after it was posted. Here’s the story. Let me pull it up for you. Lindsay’s gonna pull it up. Real alien pick shuts down 4chan. That’s the story so far. Yesterday or someone or something posted a selfie of an alien somewhere out in the desert, not far from a military base, according to the image data. So the image data showed where it was taken.
They found that the data was taken near a was said where it was taken. GPS is always connected to your phone. That’s not a strange thing. I did not see this alleged image even though I was browsing the board around the time it went haywire. But nobody could upload images and the original thread got deleted. That kind of checks out because I don’t think any of these forums are clean anymore. I think there are absolutely intelligence agencies that are constantly watching the forums to see what’s posted. So we’ve got one of two things going on. One is a real intelligence agency saw this image go up, they freaked out and took it down.
Or the person that did it knew to get more attention, they made a martyr out of the photo, took it down really fast so that more people would talk about it. I don’t know. Do we have any idea what this image looked like? Did it say in that post? I don’t see a photograph here because the poster here hadn’t seen it apparently. But every try, every time anyone tried to repost the alleged image, it got deleted automatically. Is what this person is saying. Okay, that. That screams intelligence agency. What’s funny is that we know all of the intelligence agencies are on these forums, right? How do they know they’re not just talking to other intelligence agents and they’re just.
I think their technology is. Yeah, but that’d be like a great like sitcom or something where it’s like one agent from this country thinks he’s messing with the people in this particular place. I feel like another agent. I feel like that scenario would take place on Resident Alien and then they somehow fall in love and it’s a triangle of alien, alien, alien and human love connections going on. I don’t know. It’s. My plot’s devolving. I don’t know. It was pretty strong. I’d watch that. You want to hear the rest of this guy’s story? Yeah, let’s, let’s.
Why don’t you read it to us, Lindsay? Sure. Okay. So what’s stranger is every time anyone tried to repost the alleged image, it gets deleted automatically. What’s stranger still is that for a good portion of this evening, anyone commenting in this alleged picture got an automatic two day ban from posting. However, some posters say that the ban wasn’t for mentioning the alien pic, but instead for mentioning the theory that the alien pic is a psyop cover for some other highly sensitive information leaked on the site. But why would you? But why would you. That’s just freedom of speech.
People. People theorizing like that. That’s not strange. That’s especially not strange for 4chan. It’s almost encouraged on 4chan. Again, that screams of intelligence. Some type of intelligence interference to me, is it not? Yeah. And whether it’s true information or not, if they’re just trying to shape a narrative and the conversation is not going the way they want it to, that could be another reason to pull the plug. Still, intelligence interference. Yeah. Okay. Keep going. Where was I? Yeah, there somewhere. Some are saying new evidence on 911 was in fact the real reason the site went down and that the alien narrative is a cover cover story or not.
I only got banned after mentioning that the alien pic was likely a cover. I didn’t get banned for asking about the pic though. Whatever is going on, the mods are not shutting down these threads anymore and they are filled with fake reproductions of the alleged original image. Some images get deleted whilst others stay up. I have no clue as to whether a real pic was uploaded, but many posters insist there was one and that allegedly it is so terrifying that it made them physically sick. But that’s 4chan trying to spot a joker intelligence agent. Or the truth is near impossible.
That’s what I hate about 4chan and kind of what I love about it. It’s. It’s a double edged sword. It’s both sides of the 4chan coin. Yeah, I don’t know. I have a hard time believing these faceless, nameless posted information things that came out after, I don’t know, 2004. Like it wasn’t really that far into the 2000s that photos were easier to manipulate and information kind of devolves. Maybe that’s too early. Let’s say like 20. Okay. 2012. Ish. Right? It started getting really saturated. That was when Ancient Aliens was very popular and it started becoming more mainstream and acceptable to talk about this.
So although between 2008 and 2012, Ancient Aliens was rocking and rolling. It was. That’s fair. But I feel like my trust meter, which is just totally opinion. That is more like 2012. And after I’m. My skeptic meter is way higher than earlier. Skeptic. Yeah, my skeptic meter is pretty much off the rails shirt with skeptic meter on it or something. A pretty good one. That’s a good one. Although you might come off as one of those sciency people and a lot of eggheads will come up to you and be like, yes, I’m also a skeptic. Let’s talk about skeptic things.
And then you’re going to get a lot of people coming up to you talking about. About family, pack sirloin tips and all kinds of things. Maybe it needs a meter, like a. A rating scale. Also underneath it, that goes from an alien abducted me to, I don’t know. An alien is my grandma. Yeah. You know, John said something to me while he was here. We were offline outside of one of the shows. I was like, john, how many people in the U.S. do you really think have been abducted? And he just looked at me and he was like, 80%.
He thinks 80% of people in the US have been abducted by aliens without our knowledge, which, if true, is crazy. And he gets really fired up when he talks about those things, too. Just because there’s so much disinformation with. With alien stuff in general, the intelligence community really interferes. Is. Is totally controlling that narrative. There’s all of this evidence of abductions and all of this stuff going on, and everyone’s focused on the Tic Tac UFO. I just don’t. I get why. How 80% of the world. No, no, of the US specifically. Okay, we don’t know about the world.
I. I asked him about the US Just to be clear. All right. It’s not like I disbelieve John. I’m, like, disbelieving the information because I just think it’s too many people for that to cosmically be allowed. Like, if. If it were that many people getting abducted, wouldn’t the world be different? And why wouldn’t they have gone farther than that? Why are they allowed to do that but not go further than that? We. We don’t know. We just don’t. We also don’t know why they’re abducting people. What. What? I think they’re constantly looking for people that fit a particular profile, and so they.
They may abduct an overabundance of people to do tests, and then only a certain amount of them get more visitations. That could be. Could. Why they wouldn’t have technology that could figure that out without abductions? I don’t know. I mean, that’s the thing that. It’s like, come on. You know? But. But again, it’s like genetic material would be the most valuable thing to them, so the process for that could be different. I don’t know. What do you think? Yeah. You know, I mean. Hey, by the way, sorry, everybody. Welcome Ben, how you doing? How was your trip? Gosh, that’s the thing about.
Dude, even on the news, they. They were. They were saying that this storm just literally came out of nowhere. It was like a. It was like a tropical storm. Like, even going down my street, there was like, falling down and stuff. Like, it just. Just like showed up, like, literally out of nowhere. And it was just like, this is weird. And then, yeah, the main road, that was completely shut down, and so all the cars had to go the other way. And it’s just. It was just insane. And no one was moving. But anyway, I hate those traffic, James.
Yeah, it’s just crazy. But anyway, I’m here now. But coming into your conversation, you know, this is. This is why a lot of people, A lot of family don’t believe other family members when they say they’ve been abducted. Because it’s kind of like, well, what? Like, you’re nothing special. Like, you’re just. You. You know, it’s not like you’re doing something crazy or part of some organization or, you know, it’s like. But I. I think that that’s just it. You know, it may be a genetic thing. It could be something with their family history. It could have been like, you know, I want one common theme that I found is that people tend to have, like, everybody, especially during World War II, like, everyone either has now a great.
A grandfather or a great grandfather who was in World War II, you know, but I think that there’s a. There’s a different level of people within the military that were maybe doing something very specific or had more of a higher access within the military, and that could be trickling down to the whole family. So that, that’s. That is definitely a common theme. Like, anybody that I talk to says, you’ve been abducted. I’m like, you know, you probably have a relative, somebody in the military, but you. Were they doing something specific or at a certain base, for example? And that.
That has been. That has been a common theme, but that’s not a definite, you know, 100%, but it is something that I’m finding through a common thread through all of these. But. But a lot of people are. Are. Have been wondering, like, yeah, I don’t really know why I was selected or why they chose me, you know, but there could be all kinds of reasons. Maybe a certain blood type or a certain cell structure that they’re looking for too. Like, it’s. It’s really hard to say, but. But I, But I am more surprised than not about, like, you were mentioning 80%.
I mean, to me that sounds really high, but it sounds really high. But I was like, dude, seriously. And he was like, yeah, I, I, I would be comfortable saying 40% for sure. You know, I don’t know about, I mean, I know John believes that, you know, but 80% is just extremely unsettling. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it is. I mean, considering there’s what, 340 million people in the U.S. something some absurd. But 80% would be somewhere around 200, 290 million or 260 at least. Crazy high. I mean, like I said, that’s a lot of million. Be more comfortable saying like, you know, maybe 30 to 40%, but yeah, like a hundred million maybe.
Yeah, yeah, you know, maybe, maybe, but you know. Okay, so one thing too though is where do you draw the line between alien abductions and experiments that the, that the government is running? Because as early, early as the 1940s, they were 30s and 40s they were experimenting with Project, Was it called Rainbow? Project Rainbow was, yeah. Was, was the Philadelphia Experiment. The Philadelphia Experiment. A lot of people don’t know this. There were two experiments run. One was a dry run with just the ship that was completely successful. The one, the next one was with humans and that’s the one where people started getting melded into the, the ship.
Right. So they’ve been experimenting on stuff alongside the Manhattan Project for a long time. The Manhattan Project was the other. They were looking for any weapons of war that would end the war during World War II, frantically and were experimenting pretty extensively and going way outside of what the government probably should have been doing, according to whistleblowers. Yeah, I agree. You know, I have a friend and her sister did the like, you know, you send in your DNA or whatever and they were trying to. Because they didn’t really know too much about their grand grandparents. Their mom had kind of like a weird marriage and she grew up like it was like basically like a single mother, but then she like remarried this other guy when, when her mother was very young.
So this was like her grand, her grandmother we’re talking about. So, so they were just expecting to come back and you know, just have like normal stuff. Well, it turned out that her grandfather was someone that they didn’t know and he was the top ranking military person at the time in this, in this facility. And they found out through this test that. And this is back in, during like the 40s. Right. So this is a long time ago. And this is kind of surprising that this was happening, but they, it was like 40s or 50s. I think it was the fifth, maybe early 50s.
But they found out that her grandmother went through a. Like when they. When they. In. In insert like an egg inside of you, Like. Oh, you know, like what, what, like the fertilization, basically. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So. And this is like, extremely experimental in the 50s, right? No one did this. No one talked about it. Well, yes, extremely experimental, but we don’t know how long they were trying to create super soldiers for. Well, that. That’s the other. But I mean, like back in the 50s, in this case, you know, this would be like. Like you would be cast out of society at this point, you know, for doing something like this.
Well, and. And it has to be true because think about how many fictional movies we have about this. We have Jason Bourne. Have you ever seen the movie Hannah or the series Hannah on Prime? Hannah. You should. It’s good. Dude. Should watch that. It’s about a little girl who is almost exactly what you just said. She gets born specifically has, you know, genetic manipulation, and she’s crazy good at. That’s crazy. Yeah, it’s really good. Yeah. So. So. So they found out her mother was born this way. And so when they. When they. That. I mean, that’s how.
So when they were looking up her grandfather, they were like, who knows? And like, he was just where the sperm came from. From the. From. From this guy. Right, who was probably doing these experiments. So they don’t really know who he is, but they said as soon as they saw his photo, they’re like, oh, my gosh, it looked exactly like their. Their. Their mother like him. And. And their mother looked very, very similar. So they were. They just thought this is like. It just blew her mind because. And it totally kind of flipped her world upside down because it was the last thing that they were expecting was something like this, that their grandm.
Experiments. Yeah, right, right. Early, you know, early tests and whatnot. So. So, yeah, it definitely is very strange. And she’s actually one of the ones that. That believes that she was abducted too. So, you know, and I was like, man, probably all this kind of goes hand in hand, you know, and that might have been why you were selected in this case, so. Well, Ben. Hey, we’ve got to watch a trailer. We’re a little overdue, but when we get back, I want to look at these photos that you have, so hang on to your hat. We’ll watch a trailer.
And when we get back, Ben’s going to present to us some photos from another one of his friends. I Think we need to get Ben a shirt that says, I have a friend who has. And then people can just ask you questions in public, and then you can just pick. You can just pick whatever story you want to tell them at the time. Just have them all come on the show and just tell their own stories, too. So that’d be cool. All right, well, let’s. Let’s watch that trailer. We’ll be right back. I didn’t want to go public without evidence because I knew no one would believe me.
The entire incident happened about five to six minutes in total, and my mom shouts really loud. Oh, my God. What is that? What is that? At no point did the two men in black or the Air Force gentlemen ask my mother or her friends, what did they see? They looked human, but they did weird things. The men in black, they said, you will report it as a helicopter crash, or, we will take your son away. The men in black play the narrative, and the media outlets spew it back out. This was 1991. Project Mockingbird in full effect.
Ah, no, this is nightmare. Fuel made you this lovely photograph. That is so funny. Yeah, my brother made the thumbnail. He’s like, so you were talking about a photograph? And Rob hates Nickelback. What if I use this? Well done, Jordan. I will not sleep easy tonight. That’s great. I saw Audrey in our chat, said she was gonna get you and I Nickelback T shirts. And in my head, I was thinking, man, that’s what I’ll be for Halloween. The most terrifying thing I can think of is a Nickelback fanboy. I’ll wear the T shirt. I’ll show up at people’s house and be like, what are you? And I’ll be like, you know.
You know, actually, that one year, I. I glued on all those nickels to a T shirt. Did you. Did you glue them to the back of the T shirt? No, I. But I grew the I. I, I. So they’re all the backs of the nickels, remember? And I wore. Okay, all right. Wig that looked like Nickelback guy, so. That’s a brilliant costume, dad. I’m impressed. Years ago, I think I must have been a heavy shirt, bro. It was. It was really. Yeah. It was like. We did show a couple years back, and it was like, two Halloweens ago or something like that.
I don’t remember that. Was I there? Yeah, you were there. What? I cannot hold all the information in my head anymore. It’s like, I know. I actually. Oh, wait, wait. I don’t. Because I. I was trying to think if You. I think you had your glasses on or something that light up. I don’t really remember. It was a while ago. It was. Must have been like 20. 20, 20, 21 or something. Yeah, that. That whole time period is a fog for me because of everything that was going on. All right, Ben, show us these photos you got.
What’s going on with that? Okay. Yeah. So there’s this guy named Braden who I met, and, man, this kid was like, he’s another one. That’s just. He. He was like 23 years old. Brandon Brayden. Braden. Brayden. Okay. And he’s like 23. And he’s. He looks and kind of acts like he’s 50. So, like talking to him, I felt like I was Talking to a 50 year old, like somebody older than me. But he had these photos and honestly, I don’t really know where they came from, but these were like taken from like a recent. You know, there’s those, like, cameras that you can buy and they look like this.
And I. I mean, most of these came from the web somewhere. So I think that either he took them or somebody else took them and gave them to him. And I think that was the situation. That’s why he didn’t. I think he did. It wasn’t really super clear on how exactly. Like Skinny Bob dude. Yeah, that’s what I’m saying. I’m pretty sure these were from just the Internet, dude. These are from the Skinny Bob footage. Yeah, that’s what I thought. 100. But he really believed that all these, like, everything that we’re seeing in These images were 100 real, or at least most of them.
But he’s taking pictures of the video. Yeah, and that’s why. That’s why I don’t think he did it. I think he just had it. And then he gave them to, like, a mutual friend of ours, and she was just like, oh, I have these photos that he. I was like, I didn’t even know he gave those to you. So I was like, cool. So I just took photos of the photos. Hence why the Nickelback photo is so meta. But this one, you can’t tell very clearly in it, but it is a head. It’s like the back of the head.
And there was some kind of like, blunt force to it that caused a. Some kind of like, you know, crazy mark or, I don’t know, you know, gash in the head, I guess. And it was. Whatever it was, was supposedly dead. No, that’s. That’s dead. Yeah. The one on the left there is kind of A common photo that. That’s. That’s been kind of going around. That’s one of the ones that I’m not really sure if it’s real or not, but. And that one, I think it was taken in Arizona, but it wasn’t taken with a Polaroid camera.
Yeah, I think these were all taken from a screen on the Polaroid. Yeah, that’s. That’s what I think too. I think someone just took these and. Yeah, that’s my hand. I’m just holding the photo, so. Wow, look at the details in your hand. That’s another one that I’m. I’ve never really been sure. This is another one that’s been kind of making rounds online. I don’t know if this one is real or not either. This one, I’m kind of on the fence. The first few that we were seeing, I. I’m like 95 sure they’re real. And as you mentioned, they’re from the skinny.
Bob. This is another one that has been making. It’s kind of came out. That’s the one we looked at first. That’s a close up of the one we looked at first. Yeah, you may be right. Maybe it was 100. This is another one. You know, this one’s got like a whole backstory to it and. Yeah, that’s it. That’s the close up of it. And no one really, you know, again, no one really has been able to confirm it or deny it. It’s hard to say where was it? So, alleged alien photographed on September 22, 2004 at 10:45pm with a Kodaks DX4 4530 camera.
Photo was taken by a security guard in an abandoned office in Rayon’s Nuevo Leon, New Mexico. Okay. Yeah. Another. Another. Another cartel alien. Cartel alien. Yeah. Yeah. His name is Jose. The first one was Juan. That’s Joseph. That’s funny. Well, did you. Did you guys talk about the whole thing with 4chan? I don’t think you did. Yes, we did. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Yeah. So, yeah, so I, I spent most the day today trying to find this original photo and I did find lots of stuff. And I went on old like, dude, there’s. All these forms had been deleted too.
And luckily there were somebody. I found some random link on some random form that somebody archived a lot of them. And so I was able to look back in the history to see what people were saying and talking about this, but it’s in. And it’s super confusing because whatever this original image was, it’s like all this other Stuff starts going up and then it’s like, oh, this is fake. This is fake. And then it gets really blurry about which one was real, which one was fake. And, you know, and so some people were like, is this a psyop? Is this.
Did this really happen? 4chan was officially shut down during that time. So the story is that the photo went up for like less than a minute, and then the entire 4chan site goes offline. And. And that’s what’s weird about it. And then when it went back up, the entire form was nowhere found. And so no one. So. So it looked like everyone was like, did you anyone get a screenshot of this? So that’s where it gets complicated because people are saying they found it and then some things are, like, turned out not to be true. There’s a screenshot taken by one of the 4chan forum posters.
I’m sure it is. I could definitely pass for a human being. I’ve met many, many people that have looked like that. According to Elliot’s mom, it did. Right? You gotta. If you grew up in Rhode island, some of those old, older folks, that was. That was their jam right there. They looked exactly like that. I’m not even joking. I had two neighbors that looked precisely like that, although their hair was more permed. That was the time of the perm. You know, I still can’t get over. It’s E.T. home phone. Instead of E.T. phone home. It’s E.T.
phone home, dude. I know it is. But it. That’s not what they say in the movie anymore. No, during that scene. And it’s. I know. And he’s like, ET a home phone. I’m like, what the heck, Mandela? Effects are weird. Anyway, back to all of this. So, Fish. So. So the story is that whatever was uploaded, people said it was some kind of yellow off color. There was some kind of visible elements under the skin and the eyes, and it looked kind of reptilian. Ish. And multiple people reported being sick upon seeing it. That’s the story.
So there’s a lot of images that I kind of compiled that people are saying it’s it. One of them does seem to be the possible real image. So, Lindsay, if you want to just kind of pull up some of these images and we’ll kind of go through them. And then there’s a YouTube video that was kind of interesting of a guy kind of explaining what he thinks is the real image and what exactly happened. And it was actually a really good video that he kind of broke down. Can you click on which one? Okay. Oh, yeah, these images floating around here.
Yeah, we’ll skip all this. All right, so this is the first one that popped up. People were like, this is real. I. I’m AI. I. Well, so. Dude, have you ever seen an alien with as jacked of a chest as that? Well, I know that’s one thing. Second. Well, okay, so these are also. All of these have been uploaded prior to 2017. So it was before AI, but the question is, have it Has. Are these Photoshops? Well, the thing about this one is it almost looks like it’s cut off on the side. Like it has like a really sharp angle and it looks like it’s missing part of its body, which makes me think that someone just did a really bad Photoshop job and just.
No. Yeah, and then why did they. Why did they Photoshop those pecs on this? On this? Yeah, it’s like, those are pecs that would make half of America jealous, man. Look at its arm. Its arm is as big as his body. His hand is going all the way to the ground. AI, dude. Yeah, no, well, that’s what I said. These are before AI. The heck. This is. This is the one that people are saying they think this is the real one. I’m not really buying it. I have friends who could make that with clay with their.
Yeah. Hands tied behind their back. But the thing is, the real one people are seeing does kind of look like this. And a lot of people think that this is the one that was created to make it look real potentially. Now, the one thing that people did say about the image is that it was a high resolution photo. Now, the one on the right here is what people are saying is the real image once upon a time. Like. Like it’s kind of distorted because it was. It was like the whole thing was deleted and people were trying to go back in the forms and try to find it, but.
And then the one on the. On the left there is like a fake one that someone made to override the real image, but it was very similar to the one on the right. This is another one that somebody uploaded that said this was the image and it was like in a. In a deleted file, and that’s why it was. Dude, is your cat meowing in the background? I feel like I’m hearing a cat meow. What he there? I don’t know what he’s doing. He is. I don’t know what’s going. Like Kibbles and bits, bro. Yeah. All right.
They’re good. Anyway. All right. And so let’s see this possible real. Yeah. So we. We went on the real one. So that. That one. That. That’s like that. Someone said it was a corrupt file. Lindsay, can you pull that one back up again? The possible real one here? Yeah, she’s getting it. Yeah. So this one is fake because I found that that outline of whatever that is, it’s like some alien thing from some site that somebody made. So somebody literally went to the trouble to make it look like some kind of corrupt file to make it look real.
But in reality, it’s actually a fake superimposed image. Yeah, it’s not that hard to do. Yeah. Now, Lindsay, can we. Yeah, let’s play this a little bit of this explanation of the 4chan being taken down. And this guy supposedly believes that this image is the. The one that he’s presenting is at least part of the real image that was originally posted. Let’s just play a little bit. I’m not even going to tell you guys how I got my hands on this photograph. And I will come right out of the gates and say that this photo has kind of been speculated and looked at as though it’s a digital creation, that it might not be real.
But this is a Phoenix, Arizona Luke air force base photograph of allegedly that popped up one night on 4chan. Again. Now, I know that 4chan isn’t a legitimate source for any of this information and fake stuff pops up all the time. But here’s where it gets interesting. Within less than a minute of this picture being posted on 4chan with the Joshua trees, the sage brushes, the mountains, and what was alleged some kind of an alien gray or reptilian standing out in the desert. As soon as this Image was posted on 4chan, within less than a minute, the entire website shut down.
Like it actually went offline, which had never really happened before on 4chan. And so it created this whole conspiracy that whoever whatever whistleblower had posted this image onto 4chan had caused the entire website to get shut down. And when the website came back online, you could not find this photo. In fact, it was extremely difficult for me to even find a copy of this thing. But now that it’s out there and I’m just posting on TikTok right now, should be pretty easy now. It doesn’t look that real. It really doesn’t look that real. It looks like an old digital creation.
It looks like there’s like scales photoshopped over the top and there’s a piece of paper photoshopped over there. It’s blurry right over Here. It doesn’t really look like a living thing. It doesn’t quite match up with the background, I’ll give you that. There’s not really a reflection of the cameraman in the eye of the entity. And this purple stuff under here, I don’t know if it’s real. It’s super freaky, right? If it’s not real, it’s not that great of a hoax. But here’s where it gets interesting. I actually ran this image through AI fake checkers to see if this was an AI generated or a deep fake image.
I ran it through three different programs and they all said it’s quite confident that no AI was used when producing the image. This one said less than a 7% chance for it to be AI generated or deep fake. This one said it’s less than 1%, almost a half of a percent, 0.6% chance. So basically, it’s not AI generated. It’s definitely not a deep fake. We can, you can pause it here, Lindsay. That’s fine. You know, it’s just kind of interesting that this guy’s like kind of breaking this down and he goes into a little bit more detail about the way, how it is.
Why, why, like, why does it have this, you know, kind of blurriness to it, the. The box there? I mean, it almost, to me, it almost makes it look like somebody was purposely trying to do this to make it more look more real than it is. One of the things that people said was that you could. The image was so strong that you could see the reflection of the camera person, whoever was taking this. And it looked like it was some kind of military thing. And. Let’s see. And okay, so I checked on some Reddit forms because this is, this was really big.
There was a lot of forums where people are talking about this, a lot of people still trying to find the image. And someone posted this image on a forum and said, could this be the real image? And somebody wrote back and said, this is not the image. This is. This is one of the many uploaded images after the original got deleted. All I can remember is that the real image is having a reptilian skin and the lips is dried with some kind of fungus or something and not looking directly into the camera. Every time I think about it, it gives me a chill now.
It’s really disturbing. And you’ll know once you see that the image is real. Lindsay, that was, that, that was this link right here. I was just reading with this Reddit one. I don’t. Yeah, but, well, that, that’s just the image. Okay. I was thinking it was the whole form, but anyway, so then other people are kind of, you know, a lot of people have been trying to trace it. And then other people have commented too. Someone else said, I saw it. It wasn’t this one. This was posted afterwards. There were one or two people who saved it, tried to repost it, but the thread was immediately nuked.
I read about the real time monitoring during the leaks and about the Immaculate Constellation which was described. And it makes sense that this was an operation at the time to take it down. So, so basically, and it’s kind of interesting because if the person was talking about Immaculate Constellation, that didn’t even get revealed through the whistleblowers until just like this year. So if, if they mentioned Immaculate Constellation and posted the image, it is very extremely likely that that was a real image that they uploaded. And maybe those words got flagged because no one would have heard of that.
And, and that was in somebody. We actually showed this too. Somebody looked for. Or I did. I was, yeah, I was like so many things going on. But we were, we showed it on the show. I was doing a search for Immaculate Constellation and there was nothing prior to last year, no searches whatsoever. So that, that term did not exist until the whistleblower came out and said it. So it’s kind of interesting that they’re bringing that up through this and everybody is saying the same thing. If you saw the image, you would, you would know it was real without a doubt.
So that’s another reason why they’re saying that they think all these other images are fake. And I mean, I, I, I, I literally was trying to find what I could. But the other option is that some of these might have been real and they might have like that original image, maybe it was real, maybe that, that blurriness, you know, and then somebody recreated it. But the other option is that, you know, some of these might be, I mean, the other eye, you know, people are saying this too, that, you know, we, we have to rule out that it’s possible that the whole thing was just like a, some kind of COVID up or, you know, or a psyop by the government on itself, you know.
Well, the problem I have with this whole thing is we know 4chan is a breeding ground for intelligence groups to experiment and they have to keep experimenting with how humans react to things to keep up with technology and all of these things. So it is conceivable that they posted this with the intention of shutting down 4chan to see what the Reaction would be of people talking about it being a conspiracy theory due to the site being shut down for a period of time and how that affected the human psyche, etc. Etc. You know, again, not saying aliens aren’t real or even that the photograph that they posted absolutely could have been real, but it could be that behind it was a psychological operation to find out how humans react to that type of thing.
And then all of the data is tracked and put into whatever corner of the interweb that they put that data. I agree. And the thing is like, I, I, I’m 10, I, I’m kind of on the more on the side of that I do think this is real because of all the fake ones that popped up up. And I, I’m finding that this is kind of a common theme when something real comes out, such as the Calvine photo, which, you know, was talked about for decades before the photo actually got released 30 years later. Can you find the Calvine photo? Yeah, and there’s two.
See if you can find. There’s two photos. One’s a rendering that looks real and the other one is a real photo that’s not as good as the rendering. And everybody is sharing the rendering and saying how they think it’s fake. And it’s like, of course that’s fake. That’s not the real one. The real one isn’t as good, but you can’t explain the real one. So it’s like, why would there be two images exactly the same that are being spread around like crazy, you know, if, if it’s not real? And that’s why I think it was. I think it is real and that they did that on purpose to, to water down.
So if anyone’s looking at it, then they’ll just be like, oh, if the media is looking at it too and using that image, they’re, they can easily say it’s fake. It’s like, yeah, this is a random thing. Yeah. And we got it. We’re overdue again for another trailer. Let’s. Okay, let’s do that. Watch. Trailer. And when we get back, we’ll look at the Calvine photo again and, and keep going with the show. Sounds good. Is it a rolling stone in the sky? Is it a hunka hunk of burning metal? It’s definitely not a blackbird singing in the dead of night.
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Who’s the best community on planet Earth? All right. Yeah. Pull up that Calvine photo. This is the one. You’ll recognize that. That Nick Pope said was on the back wall of his. Yeah. Now this, or whatever he was a part of, this is the real image. And what, what. What was described with this image is that this, the thing that’s flying over is at least like three football fields long. And you can tell by. By the. The jet that’s following it. It’s very tiny compared to it. And the story this happened, I think it was in.
I want to say either. I want to say Scotland, but I could be wrong with that. It was either it was one of the three S’s, Scotland, Sweden, or Switzerland. I can’t remember which one it was. And there was two hikers, two brothers. Okay. It was in the uk. Okay, there’s two brothers. And then they happen to look over and see this thing flying right over the mountainside, and they took a photo of it, and then they found a jet that was following it, and they didn’t know what to do. This is the fake one. And believe it or not, this is the one that a lot of the media are even using in their articles, which drove me insane.
I’m like, how are they? Why are they doing this? And this one, you can see has rivets, meaning, like, you know, it looks like there was like two pieces of metal and then they’re like, welded together. And you can see it in that image. However, according to the witnesses, there was none. It was just like a pure 360° or 360 all around triangular object that didn’t have any rivets. And so there was no way to explain how the thing was made. And that’s. And that’s what’s so unusual about this. And this. This is, I guess, the photo that kind of inspired the.
I want to believe, you know, the X Files thing, because it was a very secret photo, and at the time, there was only a drawing of it, that it was a. It was a Xerox copy of a drawing, and that was the only thing that was public at the time. And then just a few years ago, the person who released it said that he had it secretly hidden away for like 30 years. And then. And he decided to release it. Now, he didn’t take the photo, but he got it from the two guys that did. And I can’t remember off top of my head, I miss the days when the best that we could do is a drawing of a Xerox copy.
Yeah, seriously, so. But no one knows what happens. What happened to the two guys that took the photos. There’s been a lot of talk online. They haven’t came forward. No one knows if they just disappeared, if something happened to them, if they went into hiding or got killed. Like, no one knows. Which also makes this kind of compelling. But the fact that this photo has been talked about since. Since they. They took it. I think it was like 1993ish or something like that is wild. And, you know, a lot of con. And that’s what Nick Pope was talking about, that he saw the original photo, you know, and so everyone was asking him when this photo got released, is this the photo you saw? And Nick Pope even posted the rendering and claimed that he didn’t think it was completely true.
And I’m like, well, that one’s not. That’s the rendering you just posted. So, you know, and even everything Nick. Everything Nick talks about, he doesn’t think is completely true. That’s the issue. Yeah. And this is Lindsay. Can you. Let’s see. I don’t know where we are in our doc here, but let’s. Oh, here, I’ll put it after. Oh, you have the home phone clip. Can you. There’s. There’s a. The sun right here. And I. I just want to post this because it shows a little bit of everything, and it also is very annoying. So they use the rendering photo, which.
Which drives me insane. But then they have the. The. The The. The photocopy of the rocks. Copy. Copy of it down below there, you know, and it’s like, that’s not the same one. And again, they’re reposting it because it’s a clear image. But then it’s like, why is that a photo of young Nick Pope? That. That. I was gonna say, I think it looks so much different back then. Sure did. You know, so. And it tells the whole story. I don’t wrote this dude. Oh, he wrote it. And he supplied the photo. He supplied the fake photo.
And I mean, I think he did that on purpose. I think he. You know, and that. That’s the fake one, this mock up. So wait, why aren’t they showing the real one? Is the question. They actually acknowledge that it’s a mockup and they’re not showing the real one. They show the. That. Okay, there’s Nick Pope, all right. They’re not even showing it. So that’s just kind of weird. And I. I just don’t think they want to. And that. That to me proves that it’s real. And instead they’re just showing. So weird. So weird. I mean, it is possible they didn’t have rights to it, but that doesn’t make any sense either because the.
No one actually has rights to it. It’s just, you know, unless. Unless some company bought it, which is a possibility. But now it’s everywhere online, so it doesn’t even make sense like why they would do that, you know, And I. I think. I think in this case, that one is real and they’re trying to cover it up. Going back to the. The whole 4chan thing, I think the same thing. I. I really do think that a real image was probably uploaded. And immediately they’re like, oh, we have to distort this and just flood the whole Internet with like, fake images.
And then no one’s gonna believe if the real one is actually out there among the mix of them now. And I think that’s what happened. There’s so many other photos that I. That I found that were up being uploaded. This is interesting. This is true. What. Why am I on. I’m on like the Persian version of X right now. But you got to see this. I’m going to send it to Lindsay. There’s some more photos here I’d like to show too. Pull that up along with the post. Well, it’ll just come up with that link says my wife at I.
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Yeah, yeah, you can show in here. So this is another one that people are saying could potentially be it. This is, this is something I found kind of like on deleted forms and posts and everything else. But I’m kind of thinking this is not, I think this is fake, but, you know, it’s hard to say. That looks fake to me. Yeah, I agree. Like I said, I think the, you know, when I see the, when I do see the ones. Okay, this is another one. This looks like some reject thing from Star Wars Sling. Yeah, I don’t think this is, this guy’s got an attitude.
He’s like, what you looking at, fool? Stop taking a photo of me before. The thing is, the background is what people are saying is the legit thing. But yeah, I kind of agree with that too. Although whatever that is, it looks kind of scary. This is the other one that people are saying is real and because it’s pixelated. But I found the real image and we showed it earlier. So I, I think this one’s fake. Even though I, I, I, I think the, I mean, the other option is that somebody did have the real photo and they put something fake over it.
That looks like it to me because the background has all those artifacts in it. And then for that to be so detailed in the foreground makes zero sense to me. Yeah, I definitely agree with that. Yeah, this one is scary, but no, this is a character in one of the Star Wars. Yeah, I think Star Trek actually or something, or it’s some sci fi movie. I’m, I’m, I really do think I recognize that, that somebody either took a screenshot of or posted it. So that’s not real. No way is that. Now, the background is different on this one, but the, the alien thing is, you know, but yeah, no, I definitely agree.
This is not, not it either. Nope. Ah, man. Yeah, this one has potential. That’s a, that’s a photo taken of a screen as well. Yes, but I don’t think that the alien, the alien looks too posed in this case. So oh, wait, we already showed this one. Yeah, sorry. It’s the same one. What’s this next one? Oh, baby alien. How old are you? That’s what it looks like. What is going on there? That baby is lost in the woods. All right, so people are saying they think this one’s real, but this is fake. This is actually.
It’s fake. No alien is that happy to be an alien. Sorry. It’s. It’s. It’s actually a statue that’s in some kind of Japanese museum, and I think it’s. Yeah, okay, I can see that. I’m getting Japanese vibes off of that. Yeah, that’s it right there, actually, I think. Or at least that’s close to it. But it’s like a gray crossed with a reptilian being. Yeah, this one’s really hard to see. This one’s also showed up on some forms, but on old forms. Again, it’s a little bit more realistic than some of the other ones, but I still don’t think.
Well, I can’t see. I can’t really see anything on this one. It might be my screen, though. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, I see it. I see it. It’s very. It’s very faint. And whoever made this, if somebody did make this, they did a pretty good job of doing it, but still, it’s kind of like the. It’s like this one. The. This is that one we went over. Yeah. The quality of the pectoral muscles. Yeah. In the. And the background just isn’t quite right, so. Ain’t nobody gonna tell me them aliens have pecs that large. So this is a photo that supposedly could be the real thing that was cropped, or whoever took it was only able to get partially partial part of the photo, But I’m not really buying it either.
Also, this doesn’t look like it was taken in Arizona. This looks like. More like. I don’t know, somewhere in, like, the. Maybe in Colorado or something like that. Not really. Doesn’t have the vibe of Arizona on it. So where’s Joshua Tree again? That’s in California, isn’t it? Well, California has a lot of the Joshua Trees, but I guess they are in some other states. States. It’s just more of, like, known. California is more known to have them because. Because of. Because also giant rock is right there. And. And then you have that. I can never remember the name of it.
I always want to call it the Galvatron, but it’s not the. That’s the Transformers. Oh, no. Yeah, I know what you’re talking about that 16 sided. Yeah, white building. Building, Yeah, I wrote it down somewhere. I’ll find it. Hold on. Grab something. Something. Tron. Anyway, and the guy unfortunately never finished it, but it was built in like a. Modeled after what Nikola Tesla was doing. And he was having all kinds of crazy visitations and. And yeah, I mean people have had all kinds of crazy experiences out in that area, so. But one thing I can say is that a lot of these, all these images and stuff were integrative.
Integratron. Integratron, that’s it. Yeah. The Integratron is a 38ft 12 meter tall couple of structure with a diameter of 55ft designed by ufologist and contactee George Van Tassel. Yeah, George V. The, the engine that he had inside it or that he was about to finish was the thing that ran it. And it ended up getting taken out before he could finish it. He ended up dying. And so the technology has been lost to us and people have been trying to help finish it, but it’s impossible without that technology. Part of the entire thing. And I think there was speculation of time travel, all kinds of stuff that came with that thing.
Exactly. All right, you guys. Well, yeah, we. We pretty much went over a lot of this now. So there was some. There’s like some actual images that are fake, but we don’t. We don’t have to go into that. But anyway, yeah, I hope you like this episode. Sorry I was a little late. Hey, no worries. At least it worked out. So do you guys have a bunch of questions? I see them all in the chat and. Or. Yeah. So we’re gonna head over to Rise TV and you can join us once again for 12.99amonth where we have so many episodes, over a thousand episodes.
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