HE DELETED IT! Guest Appearance Gets Heated BIBLE BATTLE! What are Cherubim? How does Christ Come?

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But hang on a second. You. The veil, that is to say, the flesh. Now, you know the veil. Do you know the veil? How they made the veil? You know, what was woven into the veil? You’re talking about the veil? Yeah. Do you know what a cherubim is? Yeah, that’s what you think. It’s an imaginary being. It doesn’t even exist. Says who? That’s the definition of it. Cherubim. Why do you say that? I mean, that’s just not true at all. No, it is. Here. I. No, it’s not. It’s in Ezekiel, chapter one. Now, he’s actually a Hebrew scholar, Jacob.

He really is. I’m not. I’m a meatball. But I do. I do look into things because it does kind of make sense, because what is a cherubim? And then one cherubim has a flaming sword that keeps him out of the garden. What keeps. Everybody thinks God is so far away from them, outside of them. The kingdom of God. But Jesus said, I go to my Father to prepare a place for you. That. Where I am, there you will be also. Where? Where’s the Father’s house? Where? The Father’s house. But everybody talks about heaven out there. Meanwhile, the kingdom of heaven is within us.

So what would keep the. What would keep you from knowing God would be the veil. The veil, that is to say, the flesh. Well, what’s the flesh? Well, the flesh is the imaginary idea of who I think I am. I. I think you’re. I think you’re. You’re copping out here. I mean, that you’re just kind of spinning it the way you want it to be when that’s not what it really is. I mean, we do have the cherubim. What do you do with the text? What is the cherub one? I didn’t know that this was going to be one of these deals.

I didn’t know it either. You’re not going to beat Doug. So let’s just move on to another topic. Where is heaven? Doug? I don’t accept your question. I mean, it’s like the kingdom of heaven is a circumlocution for God. Okay, so when he said kingdom of heaven. Actually, the word kingdom doesn’t mean literal kingdom either. It means reign. Like it. Like, it’s like the authority of. So it’s really the authority of heaven. But the kingdom of heaven is a. Is another way to say the kingdom of God. Well, yeah, of course. Sure. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Okay.

Yeah, I’m with you. I think you’re taking some liberties Here. I don’t think so. Well, I do. Well, I showed you the definition. I gave you a valid explanation on how. Hey, Jacob, just real quick. Angelic being guardians of Eden, flanking God’s throne, an image form hovering over the Ark of the Covenant as an image form. I like that one, too. An image form. That’s another imaginary creature. I like that. That makes sense. The idea of me, the image of me. God makes man in what? In his image. So. So that’s why I really chose the last name.

And you said yes because. You know what? I’m not the only one. There’s. You know, we’re all supposed to be Israel. We’re all supposed to have changed lives on this show. You’re preaching your choir. Preaching. We all understand and emphasize and teach that upon being saved, entering covenant, you. You become grafted into the singular olive tree, which is Israel. We don’t replace the Jews. We’re grafted in along with those believing Jews and Messiah. And. And I’m. We’re fed by the root of Yeshua and we are the Israel of God. So. So. Amen. It’s. It’s nice having a guest on that.

I’m not that. We’re not. We’ve had guests on before that. They hear that, and all they can hear is replacement theology. I mean, you know what I mean? That’s all they can actually hear is, oh, you think God’s done with the Jews? You know, Roman Catholicism. Yeah, I don’t even listen at this point in my life. I don’t even look at people if they’re Jew or gentile or Savian or Greek or black or white or. I just this. It’s, you know, male or female or whatever. At this point, you know, I. I’ve. I stopped all that, which is pretty, Pretty interesting.

I just kind of look to the heart of the person. I have a Muslim neighbor, very devout Muslim. When he moved in, it was at a time when there was heightened fear and all this. So ironically, you know, God would have it that we were. They. Their water was out. So I brought them. This is their first day. I brought them jugs of water. And I. And I said. I said, I can’t wait to tell you about the spiritual symbolism of this when we’re all good friends. Now, cut to just last year, under. It was a very full moon.

They invited me to their brother’s wedding. They had this incredible wedding. It was, like, amazing. And one of the things they do is all the bridegrooms. The bridesman. No, not the bridesman. The groomsmen and the groom and they dance. There’s this like sacred dance that takes place and it was such a beautiful thing that’s across the street from my house. And they called me down to dance. And as I was there, I felt like this is a significant moment for me in my life. And so what I’m getting at is I’m not going to argue with you over anything.

I think that, you know, it’s kind of foolish at this point. I think that you’re right on the money by saying some people are gonna this and this and this, and you’re doing this theology or that theology. Who cares? People need to love today. I love it. But we’re all on a journey and we are. And get there when we get there, you know, I mean, and who’s. Who orders those steps? I mean, I, I could think that I know which way to go, but really, who ordains it? This is a cakewalk. It’s good news, you know, you just got to get your life together, you know, stop thinking that you’re so great, you know, Believe me, I had to have a terrible accident in July, smack me upside the head and leave me with constant tinnitus where it’s like living in the Matrix.

A horror, horror. Do you still have it? Because my wife. Oh, yeah. It’s never gonna go. It’s never going right now. And you’re doing radio basically, or a video with that issue. Difficult. Use fans and noise makers to help somebody. I do non stop. You watch my videos? People ask now, like, oh, you’re really playing a lot more music because it helps me. I don’t, you know, I don’t got to worry about it. Yeah, but, yeah, so, so, but, but God pierces the ear of his servant. The servant that says, you know, I, I choose to stay here with you, Lord, because I know I’ll be provided for.

I choose to be a servant, a slave to you. And he pierces the ear. So I took it as very significant. Ironically, it was right around the same time that Trump had his issue. All of it’s so connected and so wild. I just, I thank God for it. You know, I will say Jacob again. I like to dive into the pool and sort of what part of your ministry is you’re reaching a search a certain audience that sure reach them and I love to dive. But some of the connections and in your shows, I go, that’s.

I don’t believe in, I don’t believe in Koinky dinks is what I’m saying. Yeah, my quinky dinky deuce. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, you know, you would think that more people would take notice. You know, like I was even talking to, like, somebody asked Grok, you know, you know, is this man a prophet? Which first of all, according to scripture, everyone should be, because the spirit of prophecy is testimony of Christ. You should have testimony of Christ. Right? We should be a witness. This is not like I am a witness. I am a witness, but it’s, we’re all supposed to be witnesses of God, you know, but, you know, you would think that more people would, would take note, but.

So Grok answers and says, yes, he has a lot of connections. And, and then I said, well, what about when, you know, I said, oh, Elon Musk and Donald Trump are going to be, they’re going to come together because at the time there were these statues of Artemis and Apollo that were discovered. So I did this video where I, I had the two of them, you know, face, I could pull up all the pictures and show you. But Elon, I knew he was going to be there. Actually, I did a video based on a silly dream where it’s called the Trump Coffin Dream, where, you know, I was, I was carrying the casket of the, you know, the dead president was there, God forbid.

It was terrible. And it was like swamp moss. And I was really upset about it. But then I looked over to my left and I saw Donald Trump dancing, like, doing his dance. This is, I mean, this is a true story. You could go to my X account and, and see it. And so back before he lost against Biden, which I coined the phrase, we’re Biden our Time. And then Biden ends up on the COVID of Time magazine. All of these things are just weird, you know. So he ends up what, it’s the story in Nebuchadnezzar.

That’s what I said. So I started telling everybody, you know, he thought he was so great. Look at what I did. Look what I did. So he’s humbled, he loses everything, but there’s a stump that’s left in the earth. And this is what I was telling everybody right after he left. I, I, I called it the Inauguration Day something miracle. And I talked about the story where he comes back, he goes and he becomes like a beast for a while, but he comes back, he humbles himself, and he serves God again. And so you see all of these biblical narratives playing out with Donald Trump, and that’s the question, right? Well, because what ends up happening, if you follow Nebuchadnezzar’s story, Not so much.

Right. I know Nebuchadnezzar. I’m wondering about Donald Trump, though. When. When was he humbled? Well, that’s what I’m saying. Yeah, we don’t know, do we? And once again, I’m just telling you, that’s what I put out there. I’m. I’m saying it’s the story. And I. I said, we hope that, hey, God puts it in the heart of who to go after the. The harlot, the beast. The. God put it into the beast. God inspired the beast. God told the beast, go after the harlot. No. And. And God judge Judah. He used Assyria to judge the northern kingdom of Israel.

And, And Trump may very well be the instrument of judgment. You know, who knows? He absolutely is. Yeah. And it’s. It’s. I think it’s a good thing, too. I think it’s. I think all the biblical narratives are playing out with him. You know, Samson, which spells Masons. You ever know that? No, but listen, the last biblical judge. I did a whole video about Trump being as Samson, the Masons, and, and that the fires of Samson were going to come, and then all of a sudden, you see all these things because, you know, how. How does it happen? I don’t know.

Oh, he doesn’t sit like this for no reason. Joe, come on. Go. I don’t believe that stuff, but, you know, it’s okay. Would that be a problem? I mean, honestly. Let me ask you a question. You. I’m pretty sure that there’s some kind of faction war going on, and I’m pretty sure it’s a sign of, you know, the times that we’re going to see all of these signs and symbols. It’s like the, you know, you have the Rosicrucians, you have the. It’s like the Knights Templar. I mean, for crying out loud. They got the. Look at what’s his name, who’s in charge of our defense right now? Hexworth.

He’s got. Thank you. His body looks like a secret society tattoo. Well, it’s all. It all seems like they’re. They’re all cast very well, I think. I mean, they’re all, you know, it’s the Justice League. That’s the same thing with Tulsi. And Tulsi was a Democrat. I said, she’s going to end up with Trump. She’s going to jump ship, go with Trump. These are all things I said that they’re, like, literally there because I saw her wearing white. And I said, they’re telling us something. Or it was like God was saying something. I don’t know. I say, I think there’s something with the lady in white.

You watch, she’s going to end up with Trump. I thought she was going to be the vice president. Like, I was like, without a doubt. I thought she was going to be the one. And then she was on the short list. But she’s even more important in the position she’s in. She’s like the Roman Catholic who’s married to the Hindu, who’s involved in tech AI and everything, and. Well, yeah, probably nothing to see there. Well, you know, King Cyrus was a. Was a great king. For what reason? Religious tolerance. Let me tell you something. You want to mess around.

You want to say that the Hindus are evil or the Muslims are evil or the Jews are. If you want to say that you’re going to have. The future is going to be problematic for you. Very problematic for you, because this is not the day we’re going into. You’re going to either jump on board and do it. It’s going to go one way, it’s going to go the way that the system says. And if you don’t like it, tough. But if you’re a good person, if you’re a humble person, if you’re a loving person, you’re not going to hold a person’s religious beliefs against them.

You’re going to understand that God works all things together for the good of those that love God. In the time. Because Pharaoh had his heart, you know, hardened, did he not? Could Pharaoh really in his right mind say, yeah, go, it’s okay. God hardened his heart for a reason so there could be a lesson. God put me in an accident for a reason so I could learn something. Which, by the way, it was a 1776 golf course spy ring. It’s called the Spy Ring from. It was a great 1776. You know, that’s everything, right? The spy ring here in.

In the Setauket area. It’s crazy. The symbolism. The symbolism of it to me, I got hit by a patriot. A Jeep. Just so you know, I swim in the pool with you. Doug’s a little more skeptical. He would be the first one. Doug doesn’t watch any of these shows. I watch Donut and you. And we invited old Courtney Turner on a few weeks ago, and I said, you’re part of the conspiracy group. She said, no, I’m a philosopher, you know, and she’s brilliant. Yeah, I don’t. I don’t. I just Kind of share. I go against the narrative all the time.

When Operation Cindor happened, I had seen something that Elon had posted out with Poseidon with a. A pitchfork. And I had said, you know, I feel like. I feel like there’s some. Some kind of a war is coming or something. I said, I really hope so. So I said, let’s pray against it. Let’s believe that it’s not going to happen. Then it. Ironically, there was an attack that took place in a place called the Valley of the Shepherds. I don’t want to pronounce it. It’s. It’s in the province of, like, Pakistan and Hindu. It’s an over.

It’s Kashmir. It’s very contested, but highly Indian, highly Hindu. And so there was a terrible massacre that took place, but the place was known for weddings ceremonies. Like there were people that were getting engaged, people that just got married. It was for wedding couples. And the attack took place on the. The bridegroom, the groom, the men were killed in front of. And it was a horrible thing. And that’s what started Operation Cinder, which took, by the way, three days, right? Only took three days. And everybody else was saying it was going to be WW3. I said, no, I said, it’s going to be three days and Trump’s going to get the credit for it.

Because there was such symbolism to it. Cinder is the red dye that’s put into the hair of the Hindu before marriage. So it’s literally a picture of just like the. The dye that we’re. We’re supposed to. Crimson dye, the crimson worm, the dye. The. I had talked about that die earlier. Ironically, we banned Red Dye 3 and I did this whole video about it. So somehow red dye, CINDER being a die and all this came together. And I went online while everybody was saying the world’s coming to end, and I said, you know what? I’m not going to say that.

I’m going to speak out in faith and I’m going to say, you know, lord, we’re going to. Three days, they say in World War 3, why don’t we just say three days come to an end? Because. And then three days later, there’s a ceasefire. But you know how quick people were to be like, so like, haha, you were wrong. Now look, they started fighting again. It’s not about being right or wrong, it’s about the fact that I didn’t know it was going to happen. I got the news that the ceasefire happened. Someone said, jacob, you were right again.

Right. As if this is Me. That does. I don’t know what I’m doing. I just share stuff. I get an idea and I said, I don’t know, and I put it out there. And then what happens is something will happen and I’ll be like, oh, my God, that was how many days earlier? It’s just. I call it. I call it from listening to you, Jacob, I call it. You are spitballing, theorizing, speculating. Yes, speculating, but without, without being dogmatic. Like, like some of the people in. In sort of in the realm and the. Yeah. They were all saying that.

That they. That it was over with. You know, it was over. So Doug will get that look off his face. I’m going to go ahead and fast forward as to the talk. Okay, Jacob, what’s up with these Abraham Accords. Yeah. Which. Tell us the truth. You’re not watching the, you’re not watching the, the noose. It’s the, It’s. It’s amazing. They’re honoring President Trump in a way that they would honor a great king. You know, I did tell everybody that, you know, that the America, you know, is going to be done. I said it, you know, I said, but it’s not like the world has gotten so, so backwards and people are so corrupt and so hateful that it’s like a heavy hand had to come down.

Right. I mean, there was. There was a virus in the land. He told us. The virus of the crown. Right. I mean, know, we were locked down. How. What was it? How long were we in the homes? Four, three. Right. And it was funny because the home is the heart of the earth. So we were literally in the heart of the earth for a period of time. It’s like all of this stuff to me, it was like, it was obvious where we were going. And I’d watch people, you know, say other things, and I’d watch them get more and more and more clicks because fear sells and everything else.

And everybody wants Donald Trump to be the Antichrist. And I’ll tell you one thing. Is he. You. If you think the Antichrist is one man, well, you don’t know scripture very well. Okay? End of story. Period. Period. Because anytime somebody even uses that term, it’s like nails on the chalkboard racing for everybody. Let me say I’m going to share something with you here, and I hope you guys can receive it. And I know that you’re all very smart, especially you, Doug, you know. Yeah. He’s the smartest, no doubt. The, The Antichrist, the beast. He’s not called The Antichrist in this book.

But he sits in where the what of God? He sits the naos. Who’s the temple of God. So the Antichrist sits in the temple of God, declaring himself to be God. How does he do this? Well, you know, is. Well, is he this or is he that? Or that person doesn’t believe the, you know, the right way, so you should correct them. That voice in our head that we think is us. Right. Well, she shouldn’t have talked to you that way, Sansa. Declaring himself to be God. Listen to me. But what happens when Christ comes? The Antichrist is destroyed, right, with the what? The brightness of his erkime is coming.

And what is erkime? It’s like if I got a blanket on top of me and I rip it away, poof. I have come. I’ve always been there. But you just didn’t know it because while the storm was coming, you forgot to go downstairs and wake me up. I was just taking a little bit of snooze. Doug’s going, hey, Doug, seize this. Don’t you think that would be. We’ll sell you a softball. Doug, don’t you think that maybe is when the veil is torn and we can see into that other realm? Come on, participate, sir. Oh, he.

Well, he could have been talking the whole time. Yeah, that’s fine. Okay, so, Jacob, but hang on a second. You. The veil, that is to say, the flesh. Now, you know the veil. Do you know the veil, how they made the veil? You know, what was woven into the veil? You’re talking about the veil. Yeah. Do you know what a cherubim is? Yeah, it’s close, angel. That’s what you think. It’s an imaginary being. It doesn’t even exist. Says who? Woven into the. Well, that’s the. That’s the definition of it. Cherubim. Why do you say that? I mean, that’s just not true at all.

No, it is here. I. No, it’s not. It’s In Ezekiel, chapter one. Yeah. Oh, go ahead. I mean, do you have studylight.org or I can just look it up for you quick. Now, he’s actually a Hebrew scholar, Jacob. He really is. Yeah. So I’m gonna pull it up. I’m gonna pull it up. I’m not. I’m a meatball. But I do. I do look into things because it does kind of make sense, because what is a cherubim? And then one cherubim has a flaming sword that keeps him out of the garden. What keeps. Everybody thinks God is so far away.

From them, outside of them. The kingdom of God. But Jesus said, I go to my father to prepare a place for you. That where I am, there you will be also. Where? Where’s the Father’s house? Where? The Father’s house. But everybody talks about heaven out there. Meanwhile, the kingdom of heaven is within us. So what would keep the. What would keep you from knowing God would be the veil. The veil, that is to say, the flesh. Well, what’s the flesh? Well, the flesh is the imaginary idea of who I think I am. You see what I’m saying? And as I’m talking, I’m going to go back and rewind this.

I had a vibe about something and a vibe about something. All right? So here it is. Let me. Let me type this in. Cherubim, interlinear search. And I will show you the thing if it’ll open up for me. I probably spelled it wrong. Oh, here we go. So he drove the man out. He drove the man out the garden. The man was in the garden. He ate of the wrong tree. So he went outside of himself. He started believing in the good, knowledge of good and evil. Here, come take this. This is what you should believe.

And he started eating that. Right? And what ends up happening? He feels all shameful. Now he’s got to cover himself up. What does he cover himself up with? Fig leaves. What are fig leaves? Well, Jesus cursed the tree that didn’t have the fruit. The leaf is really not that important. So I would say the fig trees are probably, like, you know, religious ideas. I’m going to get baptized. I’m going to do this. I’m going to do that. You know, all these things are just. They fascinate me. I love the things of God. Okay, here we go.

Strong’s concords. Can you guys see this? Let me see now. But Doug can actually pull it up for us. And big. Well, there it is. I just pulled it up. Can you see it? What does it say? Can you read that for me? No. Can you read it for us? Yeah. We’d have to blow it up. You can’t see. I mean, just. Just. We trust you, Jacob. Just read. Well, you don’t have to try. Well, you didn’t trust me. Doug didn’t. I’m fine. Source. Yeah, it is Carub. The. The number is 3,742. Strong’s, it says, meaning a cherub or imaginary figure.

Okay. I mean, Strong’s isn’t the best scholarly source. Do you think it’s an a. Like a literal angel keeping us from the kingdom? Of God, which is within or a false, imaginary idea who we think we are. What makes more sense? I can say both. And, yeah, I think you’re. I think you’re. You’re copping out here. I mean, that you’re just kind of spinning it the way you want it to be when that’s not what it really is. I mean, we do have the cherubim. What do you do with the text? What is the chapter one? What is a cherubim? Well, we know what they.

Look, I just told you the definition. No, you didn’t, man. He didn’t. We have it from scripture, from Ezekiel, chapter one, where we see that there. I think he’s pulling it up with four different. I think Scott’s pulling it up. I didn’t know that this was going to be one of these deals. I didn’t know it either. You know, you’re not going to beat Doug, so let’s just move on to another topic. If this is this Doug, you’re going to end up walking away from this a better man. So will I. I’m not taking anything personal.

Okay, sure. But think about this for a second. The Garden of Eden. Where do people put their faith today? Inside themselves or outside themselves? Where is heaven, Doug? Well, I mean, heaven is a little bit of a misnomer. We’re talking about dwelling in God’s presence. That’s really the. The whole point here. Where’s heaven? I mean, I don’t accept your question. I mean, I think you’re. I say it’s right here. It’s everywhere. It’s all around us. And Jesus told us the kingdom of heaven. You can’t say, look here or look there. If they say, I’m in the field, don’t go.

If I’m in the secret room, don’t go. Listen, listen. Wait a sec. The kingdom of heaven is a circumlocution for God. Okay? So when he said kingdom of heaven, they were in the city. Actually, the word kingdom doesn’t mean literal kingdom either. It means reign. Like it. Like. It’s like the. The authority of. So it’s really the authority of heaven. And heaven, according to scripture, is. But the kingdom of heaven is a. It’s another way to say the kingdom of God. Well, yeah, of course. Sure. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Yeah, I’m with you. So. And. And heaven.

Yeah. I mean. Okay, but I mean, I think you’re taking some liberties here. I don’t think so. Well, I do. Well, I showed you the definition. I gave you a valid explanation. On how. Here’s what. Hey, Jacob. Just real quick. Angelic being, guardians of eating flank God’s throne. An image form. Hovering over the Ark of the Covenant as an image form. I like that one too. An image form. That’s another imaginary creature. I like that. That makes sense. The idea of me, the image of me. God makes man. In what? In his image. Adam, the first man.

The first man brings death into the world. The last Adam, the resurrected man. He brings life. The first is a killer. The second is a shepherd. Adam has two sons. First man is Cain. He’s a killer. It’s all about his works. What can he do with the ground? The ground is the earth. The earth is the ways of man. Second born, Abel, shepherd, firstborn, kills. Second, another killer. Abraham and Ishmael. Ishmael and Isaac. Firstborn killer. He’s born a slave. The first idea. That first image hovering over the Ark. What’s the Ark of the Covenant? We’re the Ark of the Covenant.

We’re the vessel. Right. So that image that’s hovering over. I love that. That’s a great definition. I didn’t. I’ve never seen that one before. But it makes so much sense. Firstborn, second born. All through scripture. Ishmael, killer, Isaac, shepherd, Esau, killer, Jacob, shepherd. Right. Who gets. Who gets the promise? The firstborn and the second born. Always the second. Why? Because the first is of the earth. Earthy, meaning soulish, carnal. But the second is from heaven above. How? Christ in us. Resurrected in us. Christ in you. Not outside of you. Not coming into the future. Right. Because Jesus said very clearly when the.

When that last day was not about the last day. If you could hear the truth now, though you be dead, you will live again. This is an exciting time, you know, so these kind of conversations are great. And I’m really glad that it actually literally said Cherubim in addition to you stopped in Israel. I would say Jacob’s sons after he was renamed Israel. You, you have the 14th. You have the 14th. Not even natural born son getting the first blessing because Ephraim gets the firstborn double portion blessing. Right? I hate it for Judah, but big brother is going to get a double portion judgment per Ezekiel 23 in Revelation.

So again, it’s all going to play out according to his plan. And we just need to, you know, do good. We need to love. We need to. We need to do as Christ said. When. When they said, show us the Father. He says, how long have I been with you? You don’t know the Father. You want to Know God. How long am I with you? You don’t know God by now. That’s my favorite. I can almost hear Yeshua. I say Yeshua. I can almost hear Yeshua going, Guys, why are you even asking me this? Have I been with you this long? He said, I gotta go.

When you see me, you see the Father. I am the image of the. Yeah, shouldn’t that also be true for us? We should be imagers in Christ. We should be Jesus image bearers. And I fail daily. Right. We’re supposed to, we’re given the name of Christ. We’re. We’re supposed to take the mind of Christ. We are the body of Christ. Jesus said, I’m the light of the world. You’re the lights of the world. As I am, so are you in this world. The firstborn among many brethren. The firstborn from the dead. He’s. It’s like the first Adam death and then born again life.

It’s that story, that first nature, that second nature. Hey, I’ve got a question because I’m seeing some of our audience kind of like. And I haven’t picked this up, Jacob, and I’ve actually, you know, I don’t watch you. I don’t watch you religiously, but I do watch some of your shows and I’ve never picked up on this, but some people are thinking that you’re preaching some or are stating some new age mystical. Yeah, just, you know, I’m not, I’m. I’m not. Yeah, that people are going to do that. You know, people are going to do that.

Everything I’m saying is straight from scripture, you know, that’s what I mean. You can always fact check me. Well, and Jacob, if you had ever watched our show before, Doug and I have now been friends and we will have knock down, drag out, iron sharpening sessions. I mean, I’ll. He’s exciting. I’m happy to be here. I really am. So, so yeah, if, if we talk long enough, I’ll probably start whacking on you a little bit, you know. You know what’s a shame though is that if people, if people for a second, you know, I always, I always, you know, the first prayer that really meant something to me was I.

I said, teach me the truth no matter what the cost. And I still to this day pray it all the time. It’s a bummer because there’s so much like, there’s so much that I would love to share with people and I do, and I share it freely. You know, I just don’t have I don’t consider myself scholarly. I mean, I have a website with, you know, thousands of articles. I’ve. I’ve done this for over 20 years. I mean, I was the head writer for the largest Christian TV network in the world. What does it mean? None of it.

It matters. Not at all. I could care less. That’s why I put on the meatball hat. But my faith and my passion to know God and the things of God is true. And so. And I think I know. I think I know the nature of God a little better than most. And that’s why I said, like, if you were to talk to me about some certain beliefs that perhaps you even have. I want to give an example of people hearing what they want to hear because I’m a Southerner and you’re a Northeasterner and rcb. That is sheer nonsense.

Okay. Anytime someone has talked, Jacob has been polite and listen. Okay, we can have some different understandings again. I am never, ever going to. Oh, you’re getting so. Yeah, don’t. I don’t even listen if they get upset. Let them. Let them, Let them. Well, you’re like me. You really just don’t. I mean, there’s certain. I talk a lot. Y’ all has created wire. Gifted through life experiences and where you are today. Today. Right. Yeah. You know, and for me and for Doug and for Joel and for everybody listening and. And again I get accused. Doug, you beat me up.

Joel, you have correctly, that sometimes I can be a little. It can seem a little unloving at times. Yeah. It’s truthful. Yeah. Yeah. I never listen. I never take it the wrong way. I don’t mind when people say that you’re wrong. I don’t mind it. You said I’m wrong. I will disagree with you because we both showed you that it said that. So what I say is, could there be a spiritual meaning for these stories that people maybe miss? I like, for example. But instead of saying that it’s this way or that what you could do.

There’s something in the. In a Hebrew thought. It’s called the whole idea of pardes, that there’s a pshot. There’s a simple understanding. Okay. Kind of a surface level. Sure. And you can’t really deny the text. I mean, there are Cherubim. Satan was a cherub. Was he? Yeah, he was. Yeah. Hang on a second. Well, okay. Ezekiel 28. I’ll agree with you, but Ezekiel, we’re not talking about Lucifer and being the same as he was a guardian. Caribbean. No, but we’re not saying in Ezekiel 28. But we’re not saying that Lucifer is Satan. Am I correct? We are saying that, yes.

Yeah. Oh, no, you’re both. You’re also wrong adversary. So now here’s the thing. Listen. You got to be. You have to be willing to sometimes say, maybe I got it wrong. I learned stuff all the time. Lucifer was actually the name for who. This is very timely. Oh, you’re in. The king of Babylon. Oh, no. It’s gonna get ugly. No, no, hang on a second. Lucifer was in the garden and fell. Lucifer was the most beautiful creation of God. Satan was a murderer and liar from the beginning. That Hebrew word, I’m sure you know, means the inception of.

So he wasn’t so great. He wasn’t singing. Which Hebrew word are you talking about? Satan. Satan means adversary. But according to scripture, and here’s another thing too. The devil doesn’t do things willy nilly. He can’t do anything to harm anybody unless the Lord says it’s okay. Jesus said this to Peter. He said, satan has inquired to sift you like wheat. Guess what? We’re all going to be sifted in this day. This is the end. This is the. The. Is this the end, Jacob? Is it the end? Sure. Why? Why is it the end, Jacob? I mean, it’s.

It’s the end of our own carnal effort. So it’s like I’ve come to the end of myself. I understand that. I can do nothing of myself. Jesus said the same thing. He said I could do nothing of myself. I’ve come to the understanding that God is sovereign. You know, I know that there’s a line in which I should operate. And that is love. I love God. I love others. What does love do? Love is patient. It’s kind, it’s enduring. It doesn’t condemn, doesn’t cast out. It’s not going to say, you know, you’re an enemy because you just basically don’t know any better right now.

You know, God doesn’t give up. God finishes his creation in victory, not defeat. The word hell, by the way, is not endless. There is no such thing as endless torture. No, it doesn’t exist. And if it did, that would not be the God that I serve. You know why? Because this very same God loves and says, you’re not supposed to murder. The same God that says, I am just what you do. And so into the world you will reap. But I’m also just. You’re going to get the same reward as everybody else when you get there.

God’s in charge and who does he. Who do you think he is? I might push back on that, Jacob, because. Sure, let’s do it. I don’t believe that the kingdom, the next age, those that are chosen by no means, because Matthew says those that teach against even a jot or a tittle will be least in the kingdom, whereas those who, who do obey. I’m not talking about for your salvation, your justification process. There’s, it’s not going to be communist Jesus Kingdom. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I’m, what I’m saying is, okay, there are three of you here.

You’re all very faithful men. Do you believe that our God would torture people endlessly for not saying Jesus is Lord? I, I, I do not. Because that is a lie straight out of Roman Catholicism, Dante’s Inferno, Hell. And it’s the, it’s been the worst witness to, to the actual Elohim Creator, the God Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. There is a Great White Throne judgment and there is a second death. Where do we judge? Where do we judge Great White Throne? Well, again, I believe there’s going to be a literal Great White Throne judgment at the end of the age.

There is. But yes, you know, we’re judging and we’re, we’re actually supposed to judge our brothers. Yes. So, so, Jacob, let’s pretend that we’re sitting here and Trump just got 20 nations to sign on to the Abraham Accords. And, and, and it’s, let’s say it’s this fall coming up. And, and so 20 nations sign up and it’s all peace and everything like that. Is that first Thessalonians 5:3, when you see this type of peace and safety, when people are screaming and you are seeing the reports all day, every day, peace and safety, peace and safety. The Pope just talked about it is, you know, servants are about it.

If that’s the case, are we going into peace and safety, then? Are we starting the final either seven years or three and a half years? I’m so bummed that I don’t have my, I have like my Bible with the small print next to me, because I don’t want to misquote that. Are you on first Thessalonians 5:3, then? That’s, yeah, that’s what I’m looking up right now. I just give me one second if I can pull this up, because there’s something in there that, you know, what you’re saying is very powerful. But yeah, we’re in that. I, I mean, I believe that first, First Thessalonians say it Again, five, three.

But of the times and seasons, brethren, you have no need that I write on to you. So in other words, at this point in time, we should know what’s going on by the times. Do you know? I know if I would, Jacob, I would say what I would actually say that. That part of this and leading up to it. He is teaching the ancient church at Thessalonica, right? He’s already taught them about the Moadim, about the appointed times of Yah. He’s already said when Yeshua fulfilled Passover first fruits, Right? Right. Pentecost. Guess what’s next up, kiddos? It’s young Terua.

He’s like, I don’t need to tell you Nimwitz this. I’ve already educated you on these feasts, you know, that’s my understanding of that verse. How about you? Yeah, you know, it’s. It’s really funny because there’s. The scriptures say there’s like, nothing new under the sun. Jesus said, this generation shall not pass until all these things be fulfilled. You know, these words are so incredible to me because I think to myself, like, what if it’s true? Like, we’re. We’re part of that generation and it hasn’t passed yet, you know, And. And what if we all go through this? And what if it’s a story that, you know, just.

Just like it says whatever has been will be again. It’s just a. But the day of the Lord is different for everybody, right? For. So we’re really talking about the day of the Lord, because he says, for yourself, the know perfectly that the day of the Lord comes as a thief in the night. When they say peace and safety, then sudden destruction comes upon them. But as what? Yeah, hang on a second. As birthing pains. I have been going through a hard time to get to where I am now spiritually. It’s been painful crying, you know, that you’re birthing something.

You know, so this pieces. This is. Everything’s good at the house. I got the bills paid. I got a little bit of money in the bank. I’m doing okay with retirement. Then all of a sudden, something hits, right? Everything was peace and safety, then sudden destruction, like birth pangs, right? So it’s gonna happen in the world too. Sure. You know, but really, it’s. This is about us. I’m talking to you about the times Jesus said, you don’t have to wait. Martha was like, I know at the end, Lord, that’s. That’s what it’ll happen. He says, no, if you can hear These words, it’s now.

It’s always a now event. It’s always a now event. There’s always a first fruits, though not everybody can receive it. It’s cool. We all get there eventually. But you, brethren, you’re not in darkness that the day should overtake you, your children of the light and of the day. We’re not of the night or the darkness. Don’t sleep then, as others do, for when they sleep. This is advice, you know. This is advice. And so how will we know that we’re in this great tribulation or greater tribulation or whatever it is. Are you not advancing spiritually in your own life? Oh, yeah, but I think we’re close.

I think we’re close to. The birthday is towards the end of the age, in other words. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I, I personally. When Jesus returns. Yeah. Hang on a second. Where did Jesus go? He. He. To his Father. To his place. He returned his place. Until we acknowledge our offense. Where is the Father? The Father exists outside of time and creation. Well, in the kingdom of heaven, which is within us. Well, heaven. Heaven would be within this creation because there’s a second coming of Christ. Do you think there’s a second coming of Christ? Oh, my God, yes, of course.

But what does the word come mean? And what does Erica mean? I explained it. It means to come. That’s what it means. Hang on a second. It is complicated if you think it means from one place to another, it needs to come. Looks like it needs to come. Revelation 19. Well, what’s that, Eric means to be manifested, to be revealed. No. Yeah. No, dude. Okay, here. I’m gonna prove it. I’m gonna prove it. No, listen, wait a second. Wait, wait. No, no. It’s. It’s scripture. He would answer the question. Just hold on a second, okay? You’re.

You’re making. You’re just BSing us because. No, I’m not. You’re just having a problem. You’re just having a problem with you know what it is because you’ve been taught one thing. No. Yeah. You don’t want to be like those that are overtaken by night. No, listen, wait a sec. Hold on. I agree with a lot of the things you’re saying. I mean, I like the spiritual application. That’s fine. Well, we’re talking about. Listen, we were talking about Cherubim. No, we found that I wasn’t wrong. Now we’re talking about come. And I said it means to be manifested, to be revealed.

You think it means coming from outside of us, but but he already said, I’m in you. That’s the hope of glory. The hope of glory is not him coming from Jersey or Hoboken. Right. The hope of glory is Christ. Why don’t I mediate here? It’s both. And guys, it’s both. And in other words, yes, Yeshua has already come. And how does he come in the flesh? He comes in his body. Yeah, he comes in his flesh. Anyone that says Christ is not come, revealed, manifested is. Is a present tense word, not a future tense. Christ is come in the flesh.

The same is who. If you don’t believe that Christ is literally coming in us, then you don’t get it. That’s a problem if you’re waiting for Jesus outside of you to come. And so, yes, we will see. I mean, I’m sure there will be a literal man, too. But this is not this point of the story. The point of the story is that Christ in you is the hope of glory, the manifestation of not one son, but the sons. Hey, Jacob. What. What we’re. What we’re talking about here. Not. Not. We’re talking about more from. I’m loving the prophetic angle.

In other words, his. His future urkamai, which is yet to manifest for everybody within. For everybody? No, because I would say physically it manifests, sure, but it, you know, it’s not everybody. Each man in his order, you know, that’s not. Speaking of when Judah will look to him who they pierced, when they will. When they will see the sign of the Son of Man. And. And again, it’s. I know what you’re saying. Both. And so. And again, Doug, you’re correct as far as erkamai, according to Strongs and Jacobs, also according to. Correct. That’s the beautiful thing, is that right there are these.

There are these ways of looking at things by this, the. The literal interpretation, the letter of it. And then there’s the spirit of it. The letter kills the spirit, gives life. Paul said so I was kind of hoping that he’d come from heaven on a horse and he would have a new name written on his thigh. And, you know, it’d be kind of fun because he’s riding down with a lot of horses and men. Yeah. He’s coming down here and he’s gonna kick some tail. Question for Joe. Sorry, go ahead. I was gonna say, you really think Yeshua is going to come on a literal white horse? I do, yeah.

Yeah, absolutely. Now, let me. Okay. All right. That’s fine. Let me explain. I. For the Kentucky Derby, you know, I looked at all the horse races. And I’m not a gambler, but I, I said sovereignty has to win. You know, I said sovereignty has to use. The sovereignty of God is clearly in charge right now, just like I had. I said it has to be an American pope. You know, it has to be. I just, you know, you have that feel and sovereignty once. But do you know that horses in scripture are the saints? The saints, they shall be like horses, though the army of Joel, like horses.

Christ comes riding a white horse, comes with the saints, with the saints in the saints as lightning from heaven. Right? All of these ways Christ comes. And what is Christ? The power and wisdom of God. Christ, the power, the wisdom of God. And that’s. You’re not denying the literal Yeshua. I am literal. I am literal. And there was a literal Yeshua. I’ll say that name. I know some people get a hang up. Yeah. Oh, no. I would, I wouldn’t know salvation if it wasn’t for Jesus. Of course, of course. You know, because again, you’re getting. You’re being accused of being a Scientology.

I don’t listen. A Scientologist. That’s so silly. Meanwhile, all. I’m basically quoting the scriptures non stop. And I don’t know anybody that really can do that with me. Any scholar. I’ve talked to a lot of them, and I don’t consider myself a scholar, but I do know the heart of God and as you said, so far with the things where I was being corrected, you know, what I shared was correct. So you can take that and say, okay, well, maybe the thing that’s keeping me from a relationship with God is me, you know, my ego, my carnal identity.

Right? The. The beast. He is the. The. The. The number 666 written on the forehead, his thoughts. You have the. The number of man on the thoughts and on your hands, your works and your thoughts. Right? That’s the. The. The issue. Maybe I can get past that. Maybe when that negative thought comes to mind, what I can do is I can cast it away like Jesus said, you know, you don’t have to listen. Resist the devil and he’ll flee. Do you believe it was a literal snake? Now, if you don’t believe it was a literal snake because Jesus was tempted by Satan and is test.

Tempted in all points as us. How is Jesus tested in all points as us? Unless he’s in me, you know, one becomes many once he dies. To become many. The spirit of the living God, the Holy Spirit. I would say that to answer your question, God did not Cheat? No, chose. He chose to became a man and live as a human. So. Sure. Because he had to. To be our kinsman, redeemer. Sure. He had. He had to die as the husband in order to enter back to into covenant with his family. Let’s see if you can catch this, because this is a huge revelation.

If you can catch it, who did Christ die for? I’ll let them answer first. No, it is a simple question. Who? I know you’re not a Calvinist, so I’m willing to let you go. Who? You don’t know who? Christ died for Everyone. Everyone. Right. Everyone doesn’t mean everybody. Now hang on a second. Now let’s take this a step further. We are crucified with Christ, are we not, Doug? Those in covenant are. Well, what does it mean to be crucified? When he was crucified, what did he do? He cried out, father, why have you forsaken me? Right.

You ever have a problem where you think God’s left you? I’ve never really felt that way. But I’ve come close, you know. We’re crucified with Christ. Christ died to become, to allow us to live. Died for us. Now we die. The two become one for him. So now we say, it’s no longer I that live, Jacob. The life that I now live. I live with the faith that is Christ. Right? That’s the beautiful part of this whole story. But no one gets it. Because you know why? Religion has told you, you gotta wait. They put the carrot far away.

Meanwhile, what did Jesus say to Martha? Did Jesus say to Martha, I’m coming in the future. You better wait. It’s going to come at the end. There’ll be. Actually, actually, actually, he did. When. When Martha. Martha was. Martha knew her, her scripture. Because she told him, yes, on the last day. Yes, we are, Jacob. We are not in that last day yet. Because. Because my daddy’s still in the grave. What did he say in return? We’d have to pull it up. Exactly. He didn’t correct her. Yes, he did. No, no, not about that. Yes, he did.

100 he did. That’s the whole point of the story. All right? That’s the whole point of the story. Lazarus was dead. He was trying to prove a point. They said, oh, he’s thinking by now. And she says, I know he’ll rise again on the last day. Lord. Martha’s. Martha, Martha, Martha. I love that. Martha, Martha. Because say it twice. Like, oh, my. Here, here, here. I’m gonna quote Yeshua. Okay. Or Jesus. Yeah. Because he pulled it up a lot quicker than me. Verse 44. No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day.

Right. He’s in the grave resting right now. He’s not. Hang on, hang on a second. Re. Read that. Read that again. From where she says. Master. Master. I know. I’m reading yeshua in John 6. I can go to the Lazarus resurrection. What? I. No, I’m talking about the one that we were talking about with Martha. Okay, I’ll find it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I just did that several times that Yeshua mentions the resurrection. Well, what. Yeah, but what is the last day? And it. And it’s for how many people? You’re asking me that? I would say it is the seventh day of his redemptive plan.

It is that which is a thousand years. That what? That rest we are striving to enter because we ain’t in it yet. Dude, I’m sorry. You’ve got your. Your body. Oh, I don’t think. I don’t feel like I’m in it. I know we have work to do. Here’s John 11. Martha said to him, I know that he will rise again, again at the last day. Yeshua, obviously, he is the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me, though he may die like my daddy. Now we shall die. What? You’re getting at 100. Understand? We shall die to self and become a bond.

Servant of Yeshua. We. Keep reading, keep reading. Okay. And whoever lives and believes in me shall never die that second death. And then Lazarus rises, and it wasn’t the last day. He dies again later. Well, yeah, of course, but. But are we talking about literal flesh rising here? Is that the goal? To be like, I believe there’ll be flesh, or to have incorruptible flesh? Yes. I bet you my definition of incorruptible flesh and your definition are two different things. Maybe not. Yeah, well, what is corruption? What is corruption? What is your. Okay, I’m gonna ask you first and then.

Sure, yeah, yeah. Well, incorruptible flesh would be once again, the veils to flesh. Right. So the ways of the flesh, so incorruptible, meaning that I can’t be corrupted anymore. I sin not. Once Christ is risen, it’s impossible for me to sin again. I become incorruptible flesh. You know, it’s not about the outward man. The outward man perishes. We’re not talking about that. We’re talking about that spirit that’s within us. It can Be alive right now. The flesh is gonna. It’s gonna pass away. It’s gonna go the literal right, it’s going to. But the spirit of the living God that’s in me, the comforter, the two become one.

The paraclete. I love that word. The two become one. That’s the marriage that takes place. That’s why we see so many horrible events surrounding marriages and weddings like we just saw with Operation Sindor and other things. Because, I mean, this is. I would say this is going to be a time of great awakening. I feel like this is the judgment. If you were really to ask me, like, what do I feel prophetically is happening, and you may disagree with me, I have an idea. I’ve never heard anybody else have it. I believe that the reign of Christ for a thousand years and the rule of the devil for a thousand years, I believe they happen consecutively at the same time.

I think that there are two groups of individuals that rise up. One to everlasting life and one to age abiding. Correction. Everlasting correction. All right. It’s not going to be fun for them. The devil has his job. His job is to do exactly what he’s supposed to do. You know, I remember that first revelation when it hit me. Well, the reason I put this up here is this is sort of a. Something that Christianity teaches that all who are going to be raised at the second resurrection shall be cast in the lake of fire. But the text does not say.

No, it doesn’t say only hell. Hell is destroyed. Hell is destroyed. So it’s not endless. Hell is cast into the lake of fire. The Antichrist spirit, which is just basically, you know, being a meathead and being a jerk, that’s cast into the lake of fire. The false prophet, you know, the devil, everything that you know, really didn’t exist to begin with because he’s the father of all lies. So the lie never really existed. And that’s, that’s how we know that Christ wins in the end. Because you know the, the war word. Your word, O Lord, is truth.

Truth. And so the lie will be done away with. Yeah, it doesn’t. Truth does not change. And that’s why are still as bad as bending a man over and doing the whoopee with him. I mean, it’s in. In Yah’s eyes, it’s the same thing. So that was dark. You can tell. Where did you go? We’re talking about these wonderful things. All of a sudden I got 70s music playing in the back of my head. Okay, so The Abraham Accords. Will they increase now that we’re an hour? Yeah, I think so. You think they will? I think God’s.

God’s will is going to be done. I think we’re going to see. So what is God’s will? Well, I mean, ultimately to know God through Christ, I mean, that would be the will, right? He’s creating us. So I don’t know if you know anything about AI and how they program adversarial training with AI so like a robot will learn. And if you think about what you’re doing to the robot as it learns, you think that that’s pretty horrible. But really the adversarial learning is so that he gets strong, he learns, and he becomes what he’s supposed to become.

We’re being, you know, we’re being held over the hottest part of the flame. He’s like a silver spot myth. God holds us over the hottest part of life. That’s why I have, I have issues where I hear people like, oh, they’re saying your new age or this. I’m. I’m saying these beautiful things about the Lord that could change people’s lives if they just. What do they got to do? Nothing. They got to go to God, ask. Ask for the truth, stop believing that you know it all, and start letting God lead you. And what you will find is love is the only way.

Love God, love others. And if you don’t know how to love God, you love others. That’s the way you do it. Because in so doing. Yeah, and that’s part of staying in daily repentance. In other words, you screw up, you repent, you wake up the next day, you, you try it again, you start brushing your teeth and. And sir, you have met the enemy and it is you. Right? Stop blaming Satan for everything. Satan can’t make you or I do anything. Satan has a dream job. He tests you, right? He makes sure that he can’t make you do anything.

He’s called the temple for a reason. You know, he tempted Jesus. Now here’s a, here’s an interesting thing to be tempted in the book of James. I think this is in. A man is drawn away by his lust. So if you’re tempted, you’re drawn away by your own lust. Your own lust. So if you’re tempted, according to the book of James, you’re drawn away by your own lust. Jesus was tempted. Does that mean he was drawn away by his own lust? Now this flies in the face of everything because he. In all points, we’re tested. Christ Is tested.

He’s like the sacrificial rod that’s found in a hot water heater. He takes all, all the, the beaten, you know, he takes it to, to, to protect. But we’re going to take a beating until we come to the knowledge of the truth and the stature of the perfect man. That’s going to take some time. You know, some will. Some will just as they have been in the past. Some will be martyred, you know, some will be. Yeah, I mean, that’s. I, I’m hoping not. Well, it’s in the Bible. I know it’s the fifth seal. I know, I know.

I know it’s in the Bible. Trouble. I know it’s in the Bible. And yeah. Hey, listen, this is, this is his love story and his redemptive plan, not Jacob’s, right? I mean, of course, in a perfect world, we would just all love each other, sing Kumbaya and everybody would be nice and nobody would be. Well, no one would learn. Oh, what does that sound, what does that sound like? That sounds like. Yeah, no one would learn. Without, without, without, without struggle. We don’t grow. We don’t become stronger. You know, it’s. A friend of mine has a teaching series on this where he’s talking about work and going all the way back to the garden and this toil that we’re given, this work, this working the ground or like me, dealing with legal problems, etc.

That is for our good and for our benefit. In other words, it is to. It is theirs. Because he, He. You know what you, you know, my wife tells me all the time, Scott, when you’re not busy, you get in trouble. No, seriously, when I have too much time on my hands and I don’t have enough law work or ministry work, or I’m not golfing, hunting or fishing, you know, if I’m not doing something thing, you know, filling my mind with, with scripture, filling my mind with, with His Word, filling my mind. Even when we differ amongst brothers here, and trust me, we’ve had some knockdown disagreements on this channel, and the only reason I would be very wary of you right now, Jacob, if I hadn’t listened to you before.

No, I’m just being honest. As far as some of the audience that never has ever listened to you. Hey, listen, you know, I can’t, I can’t. But if they hate you. I blame Joe, by the way. Well, I mean, there would be no reason. There’d be no reason to. I’m talking about the sovereignty of God. The, the perfection of his perfect plan. The fact that, you know, out of all that Christ died for, he lost not one, but the son of perdition. Who’s the son of perdition? The Antichrist spirit that’s in you, The Judas, the one that betrays you, that sits at the table within you, that negative voice in your head.

Well, you know, these are like, you know, it’s interesting. Jacob. So. One sec. So what the, these things that you’re saying, they’re. They’re pretty good. I mean, there’s a lot of. Thank you. There’s a lot of great application. You know, when we’re talking on a kind of a spiritual level and you kind of, you do a lot of allegorical interpretation and so did Jesus. I mean, he only spoke. I’m not opposed to that. But you may, you may also want to just consider for a second that there’s a lot to be gleaned from a little bit more of a literal interpretation.

Sure. Our show is about prophecy, so we thought. You’re going to talk about the Abraham Accord. You haven’t said anything about those. You know, and so I, I think we can’t bother you so. The way you bother you. Because I, I didn’t even really know what the show was about. I said I sent an email. Should I prepare. Should I prepare myself? Whatever. Again, I’m gonna blame Joe. I think this is far more important. Important than the Abraham Accords. I’m sorry, Doug. I think the Abraham Accords, in the grand scheme of things means absolutely nothing. I think the fact that people think that my loving God will torture them endlessly if they dress different or act different or look different.

You’re right. Or don’t believe the way they say, or don’t say the magic words that they’re told to say, or don’t, you know, do what they say that you’re supposed to do. My goodness. To know that God finishes his and that we will have hard times and that even Satan works on the behalf to get people. Jacob, I would much rather my friends and family and loved ones be part of the first resurrection than have to risk the second resurrection and the great right throne judgment. Well, where do you think the resurrection takes place? Out of the Yeshua returns.

Those who have faith in Yeshua, like my daddy, will be resurrected. From where? Somebody. Somebody that has not repented, someone who has not come to the Father through Yeshua. They’re going to remain at rest. Yeah. Until everybody’s getting. You think that there’s only one. Like, like, say, for example, like say someone Dies a horrible person. Again, we’re talking. Hear me out. Hear me out. Because you may not have heard this before. Okay. Yeah, tell me. I’m talking first resurrection. Okay. As opposed to second Resurrection. Sure. And the great white Throne judgment. Right. So you’ve, you know, I’m in.

I’m in alignment with you as far as this Dante’s Inferno, Hades shield. It’s the grave. Okay. It is great. Right. Okay. So that’s where the resurrection is. A lake of fire. Sure. There will be some who face the second death. So it’s Christ. It’s Christ. Christ. Christ is. Christ is a consumer, that Muslim who does not made it through to the Father because you only come to the Father as part of that first resurrection through Yeshua. That I’m. They’re not going to necessarily burn in hell. They’re going to remain in shield in the grave until the throne judgment.

Until they did what you did. No, no, no, no. I’ve already. I. My daddy. Someone like myself, someone who does have the blood and is applied the bloody Yeshua should be raised. I’m not sitting on the throne on the Bema seat deciding that, but I can. But again, unless you’re a universalist and I mean, who does God not save? Tell me who God doesn’t ultimately not save. Who. Who does God miss out on? Is. Is he like the good shepherd that goes after the law? Lost. Well. Well, again, if I. If I believe the text, there will be a second death.

There will be a great white throne judgment and there will be, I believe. What is the second death according to scripture? Second death. He said that the Pharisees who were saying, you need to do it my way or else that they’re twice dead. That’s the second. Twice asleep. Twice. Twice. The sons of Sheol, they’re twice in the grave, twice dead. Two times. We’re talking two different things. You’re. You’re on this issue. I’m saying you. I would say on this issue, you still got maybe some Roman theology, Christian baggage hanging around about burning in hell. No, I don’t.

I don’t believe. I don’t believe in that at all. That’s. That was my point. I also believe that God will, you know, he finishes creation and victory in all will sing praises. Here’s a good one. You said that everybody needs to confess Christ as Lord, right? I agree. Make it to the Father. Okay. And I didn’t say that. That’s scripture. But you know what else Scripture says that every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Christ is Lord. That’s scripture too. Of course. Now, but your problem is, is you forget the next line. The next line is to the glory of God the Father.

Now what is the glory of God? To conceal a thing. Thing. How does Christ come in the glory of God? Things. To search them out. Yeah, well that’s my point. That’s my point. Yeah, I’m saying people, yeah. I am not a universalist, but I. But like to your point, that’s everybody who’s listening. I believe that God will take care of you and your family regardless of how many times it takes or whatever happens. Because I believe God’s word is true. Well, that sounds like. No, I. Listen, that would be, you’d be like talking to disciples on that one.

Because the disciples said to the guy that was blind, Jesus, why was he born blind? Was it his fault or was it his parents fault? How could it be his fault he was born blind? Or the other ones that when he asked, who do men say that I am? They’re like, they think that you are one of the prophets back from the dead. Some say that you’re John. Or the fact that Jesus himself said John the Baptist doesn’t know it, but he’s part of that first resurrection. He was Elijah. He was Elijah. So I’m not the one that’s talking about Muslim friends that you, that you have formed.

Yeah, I love them all. Yeah. Okay, again, let me finish my question. Sure. Are you sharing the gospel of the kingdom and the truth of Yeshua with him yet? Oh my goodness. He watches my videos all the times. He loves it. Okay. I know the, I know the. Because you know, the Quran is, is. I don’t know if you’ve ever read it. It’s, I mean, it’s very, very, very similar. I mean, I mean most of the stories are almost identical. So that’s, that’s, that was why it was great for me because I realized that I knew their book better than they knew their book.

Because you know, just like Christians today, most of them don’t study. I mean, I’m talking to three very well schooled people that say that they study and consider themselves to be very wise. And I feel as I’m talking to you that I think that you all could learn some things. You know, I think that once you put the cap on and you say that this is what it means and you say, okay, there’s people that are going to burn and you’re focused on people that are not talking about you, about you, but you, you clearly believe that you know, not everybody will end up safe.

I believe there’s a second death because I believe what scripture says. And. And second death is what? The lake of fire. Second death, lake of fire. I believe, you know, that we all have our part in the lake of fire. According to scripture. No, not in. Not eternally. No, not. Do you know, the lake of fire is just Christ. Christ is a consuming fire. It’s a second death, death, death. The spirit gives life when the first resurrection. People that took part of the first. First resurrection, they are not hurt by the second death. We all go through it.

We’re all touched by it. That’s why he called them twice dead. It’s the second death. The first death is living your life, and you’re totally carnal and you don’t care. Second death is. You become like a theologian on this issue. This would be one of those things we. We would have to agree to disagree. And that’s okay. And. And. No, No, I do that all the time. Yeah, it’s good. It’s good. It’s okay. Like I said, it’s okay that you’re wrong. Jacob. It. It’s okay. That’s fine, too. You know, and I’m teasing when I say that, but not.

I. I don’t think that I’m always right. That’s for sure. You better not. I think that I’m always learning. I think that, you know, if you’ve had a father. Right? I didn’t have a great father. I didn’t. My first father. I had the best dad ever. Okay. If you’re. If you went to your dad and you said, give me a piece of bread, would he give you a stone? If your dad went to your dad said, God, dad, will you make me some eggs? We give you a scorpion. Yeah. If you, being evil, know how to treat your kids, would you ever torture your kids? Endlessly.

Now, I know you don’t believe it. Would you ever give up on your kids? Well, I would say that those. Those again at the Great White Throne, you give up on your kids. Simple question. Would you. Would I torture my kids? No. No. And forget about torture. Would you give up? That’s the question. That’s not. What happens with the second death. Would you give up on your kids in this lifetime, ever? No. Okay. Are you better than God? Of course not. So then maybe rethink this idea that God doesn’t finish his creation in ultimate victory. Maybe instead of my opinion, I’m using scripture as well.

I. I just told you with the second. Okay, but what is Life. What is life? Christ. Yeah. What is it that gives you life from scripture? In other words, when. When in the. When in the Hebrew scriptures, the Older Testament, the. I think it was Elijah, Elisha, the spirit left him and he was dead. And then Elijah prayed and everything and then the spirit returned. You’re talking about the boy? Talking about the boy. Yeah, yeah. And then the spirit returned. What is it that gives us breath? What is it that gives us the breath of life? It’s his real word of God.

The word of God in the book of John. You’ve read John? You’ve read John? Well, Jesus said my words are spirit and they are truth. A word is like a sword. You take the S off the end, put it in the beginning. Why do you think his mouth is a double edged sword? I mean, unless you want to literally take it. He’s going to come down, he’s going to have a literal fiery sword. No, you know, no. Again, that’s why I don’t believe there’s a literal horse either. Yeah, no, I don’t like the horse. I’m waiting.

I could be wrong. So. All right, well listen, this was definitely interesting. This is fun. Doug left a while ago. Doug left? Yeah, he actually left. He left at night. He wrote I’m out. He. He left at 9:11pm and you said you needed to end by 9:00 clock, so. Yeah, I know. Yeah. Okay. All right. Perfect. It’s like perfect timing. Scott, do you want to take us out? Yeah. Hey, Jacob. I’ve enjoyed it. I differ with you. We had fun. You know, we’re going to differ on the universalism issue. Well, I’m not a universalist. I’m not a universalist.

I don’t think that if you live your life willy nilly that you’re going to get in. I think that everyone has to be, you know, humbled. There’s a scripture, it says that you either go to Christ to be broken or the rock will fall on you and grind you to powder. But either way, Christ is coming. You think that God needs your permission? It’s not by me and my magic words that I’ve said that I’m saved. It’s by grace that we are saved. Through faith, not of our works. Lest we should boast. Right. That’s how we’re saved.

Like going and. And the judge shows you grace and gives you a speeding ticket. It doesn’t give you license to go out and go 100 miles an hour. No one said that. Did that. Right. That wasn’t even that. Those Words didn’t even. I’m giving the analogy. No, I. I was. I was not. I was supporting you. Yeah. No, not what grace is, right? Grace is. Well, this is a great one. This will tell you what Paul’s thorn is. Paul was given a thorn. He said, out of the abundance of revelation you’ve given to me, I can relate.

Sometimes a thorn was given me in the flesh. He prayed three times to get rid of it. And God says, my grace is sufficient. Well, what does grace cover? You know, what does it cover? A multitude of sins. Okay, Was Paul sinning? Hang on a second. The sower goes out into the field. So seed, some of it falls among thorns. Disciples say, well, what are the forms? What are the thorns? The thorns. What are the thorns? The cares of the world and the deceitfulness of riches. You’re missing something huge. Listen. Trials, tribulations and testing is. Is not sin.

Listen, listen. I’m telling you what the thorn is very simple. Christ was given a crown of thorns. Listen, listen. Okay, I’m listening. Yeah. Christ was given a crown of what? Thorns. They drove the thorn deep into his head. It was a crown. It means a rule, authority. What was driven into him. He took upon himself what? The sins of the world. What are the sins of the world? The deceitfulness of riches, the cares of the world. Okay. That’s what he was dealing with. Same thing we’re dealing with. He had a thorn. We have a thorn. Same thing.

Christ giving a crown of thorn. Adam, when he left the garden, he worked the earth. Nothing but thorns. Thorns worry, fear. All of this stuff, you know, it’s scripture is alive, but everybody’s talking about the literal and it. And then. And then we start to share the great glorious truth. Jesus only taught in parable. He didn’t teach literal. He says he said to them, unto you, the mysteries of the kingdom of God are revealed, but unto them that are without, all things are done. In story, Paul said that Mount Agar and Mount Sinai are two. They’re two different.

This. It’s a parable. The rock that followed Moses, the rock he said is Christ. Wait a minute. I thought it was a literal rock that he literally struck that water came out of. But he did. Right? But that is a symbol. Of what? Of Christ. A parable. It’s both. And, dude, it’s not. It’s not. And that’s where we agree. It’s both. It’s both. We’ll end at that note. Yeah, we both agree it’s both. Like me, New Age or someone. That’s like literal, like, you know, so you can’t really. It’s both. Christ, the spirit, so there’s going to be spiritual meaning.

This was a lot of fun. I hope people learn. This is fun. Yeah. And, and I’m, I’m. It was nice to meet you both so much. Thank you. Thank you, Jacob, for coming on and giving us and sharing your thoughts. You did a great job. It was a good time. Tell Doug that I love him and I’m thankful. Hey, man, I, I, I enjoyed it, but again, that’s just my personality. We both. Well, how sad is it that other people can’t, you know, watch your shows? I like your shows. They’re fun. I don’t find myself offensive.

I just, I just really love God, like, a lot, you know, And I love truth. I love seeking. And that would be one of those. That. Because you seem to be the type. Very similar personality to me, you’re willing to, to be corrected. I. You have grown immensely on your journey, hearing your testimony. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. And, and again, to your point, what you said earlier in this show about learning, about maybe us learning something. If you’re not learning from a brother or, or, or even a Muslim or, Or a h. I’m just saying if you’re not learning, you should be learning from everybody.

Yeah. If you’re not doing that, this, this, this path that we’re on, this narrow way. My analogy, Jacob, it, it’s uphill, it’s very narrow, it’s straight, and it doesn’t have an emergency break. And you’re either going forward or you’re moving backwards. Yeah. No backsliding for me, hopefully daily. Yeah. I don’t even drink. I don’t even drink. Like, I take it, I take it seriously. You know, it’s like I, I take, like, like, I’ve been taking it very seriously because I know how important the day we are is in. I’m not gonna be too stressed when the stuff happens, you know, but this is what needed to be talked about, and I’m glad.

It was great. Okay. All right. There we go. All right, good night, everybody. Thank you for joining us.
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