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➡ The speaker, Jacob, shares his experience working as a head writer for a Christian TV show, where he formed close relationships with the family running the show. However, he left after seven years due to a scandal involving the show’s hosts, Marcus and Joanie. Despite the difficult departure, Jacob reflects on the positive aspects of his time there, including winning an Emmy and the personal growth he experienced. He now runs a YouTube channel and sells mattresses, believing that God led him to these new paths.
➡ The speaker shares their experiences working in Christian TV, including the challenges they faced and their relationships with colleagues. They discuss their creative approach to their work, their disagreements with mainstream religious views, and their predictions about the future of the organization. They also mention a scandal involving an affair and a lawsuit, and express their sadness about the current state of the organization and its members. They end by reflecting on their personal growth and maturity since leaving the job.
➡ The speaker discusses the importance of family unity and honesty, especially in difficult times. They emphasize the need for parents to prioritize their children’s well-being and to avoid involving them in adult issues. The speaker also advises against coaching children to lie and encourages forgiveness and understanding within the family. Lastly, they stress the importance of parents taking responsibility and leading their family through challenging situations.
➡ The speaker discusses the changes in television and online content, suggesting that Daystar, a Christian network, should adapt to the digital era and become a TV production company. They also mention a show that was once led by a husband and wife, implying its quality has declined since the husband’s departure. The speaker advises that honesty and integrity are crucial in leadership, criticizing those who don’t uphold these values. Lastly, they express hope for a resolution to the issues they’ve discussed, encouraging everyone to strive towards positivity and truth.
➡ The speaker discusses the challenges of wealth, the importance of humility, and the potential for learning from anyone. They express concern for people being misled by those who don’t have their own lives in order. They also discuss the need for discernment and grace in the current era, and the potential for good to come out of difficult situations. They end by emphasizing the importance of family and the need for forgiveness.
➡ The speaker expresses distrust in lie detectors and suggests a misunderstanding may have occurred. They believe someone may have been taken advantage of by a watchdog organization. They criticize Joni for not handling a situation correctly and suggest everyone involved needs to learn from their mistakes. The speaker encourages everyone to raise their standards and be leaders.
➡ This text is about a person’s experiences working at Daystar, a religious organization, and their interactions with the leaders, Marcus and Joni Lamb. The person describes a challenging work environment, Marcus’s affair, and Joni’s reaction to it. They also mention a lawsuit and the death of Marcus. The person expresses their wish to return to work at Daystar despite the difficulties they faced there.
➡ The speaker discusses a complex situation involving Jonathan, Susie, and their video. The speaker expresses shock and concern about the situation, mentioning past experiences and relationships. They also discuss their own past experiences with a similar situation involving their daughter, emphasizing the importance of handling such situations carefully. The speaker questions the actions of Jonathan and Susie, suggesting that there may be more to the story than what is being presented.
➡ This text discusses a complex situation involving a girl, her parents, Susie and Jonathan, and a school. The parents believe something inappropriate happened to their daughter at the school, but the details are unclear and conflicting. The parents are accused of possibly implanting false memories in their daughter’s mind, causing her distress. The text suggests that the parents’ actions may be causing more harm than good, and questions their motives and handling of the situation.
➡ This conversation revolves around a complex situation involving a child, a school, and a family. The speakers discuss various theories and assumptions about an incident that supposedly happened at the school. They also talk about the family’s reactions, the involvement of different individuals, and the subsequent actions taken. The conversation highlights the difficulty of understanding the truth due to conflicting information and lack of concrete evidence.
➡ The text discusses a complex family situation involving accusations, tension, and potential power struggles. The speaker reflects on their experiences and interactions with the family, expressing uncertainty about the truth of the situation. They also discuss the potential for redemption and the importance of not condemning someone without factual evidence. The speaker hopes for reconciliation and truth to prevail, regardless of the outcome.
➡ The text discusses a complex situation involving a family and their business. The speaker suggests that the family members acted out of fear and anger, leading to mistakes. They also mention a potential cover-up and the need for the family to turn to God and self-reflection. The speaker believes that the family should have handled their issues privately, rather than going public.
➡ The text discusses a complex situation involving a group of people, possibly a family or organization, facing challenges and controversies. The speaker suggests that they need to find closure, possibly through an investigation, and make amends. They also discuss the importance of focusing on family and turning towards God. The speaker believes that despite the difficulties, there’s potential for growth and learning from the situation.
➡ This text discusses a family conflict involving Jonathan, Susie, and Joni. The speaker encourages them to forgive each other, understand each other’s actions, and focus on their family. They suggest that Susie and Jonathan should consider if they might have overreacted due to their love for their child. The speaker also advises them to stop publicizing their issues and instead spend time healing as a family.

Foreign. Welcome back to my show. Oh, thank you. Thanks for coming. I appreciate it. Oh, my goodness. I’m happy. I’m happy to be here. On a topic that makes me very unhappy. Amen. Mainly because people probably don’t know. I was Joni’s head writer for seven years, so I was very close with his family. I did these little. These little great vignettes when we were moving from one story. It’s kind of, like, funny that God brought me. Brought me out of, like, you know, world wrestling and other things to then, you know, I always knew I was going to be doing Christian TV to, like, I end up with this job at daystar Television working for Marcus Lamb and Joanie.

And the only reason is Marcus was, like, a huge fan of wrestling. Right. But I always felt like, you know, one of these things just doesn’t belong here. Like, I loved being there, but I also felt that. I don’t think they. I don’t think that I felt like. A little bit like David and Saul’s kingdom, where they really loved me. Even at a Christmas party, they did this wonderful. Oh, God, it felt so good. This. This little mini movie to, like, honor me. It was like a joke where, you know, the sky angel sends, you know, Jacob down to daystar to be the writer for Daystar, and he’s pitching shows to Vince McMahon and, you know, about Moses and all these things.

And I’m watching this thing at our very, you know, my very first Christmas party there in this hall. It was so wonderful because I really. This was before I really grew to love the family. It was kind of still kind of new, but it was a weird feeling because I remember feeling like right now they’re singing your praises. What’s going to happen when they want you gone? I felt a little bit like David right now. You know, it’s like everybody’s cheering on, but what’s going to happen ended up happening, like, seven. Seven years later through just, you know, unfortunate experience with what happened with Joanie and her husband Marcus.

And it was very strange how it ended up coming down on me. There was. I guess there was a big lawsuit that I didn’t know about. I knew nothing about any of this stuff because Marcus was having an affair with, like, someone who was very close to Joanie. So just imagine being Joni. Right? Right. I was her head writer. I was. I wrote for the Joni Show. We even. We even won an Emmy. I said, we’re going to win an Emmy. When I got there, God really blessed this place. Yeah. Especially when I was there, and I missed you, Jacob.

No, not. Definitely not because of me, but because God purposed it and brought me there for a reason. Yeah. I ended up leaving it because God’s like, okay, now you got to go sell mattresses, and you have to grow a YouTube channel. There you go. And you did. Is not shabby. I have a YouTube channel, and I think that people would really enjoy it. I hope you all look up Jacob Israel on YouTube and you’ll like it. Or maybe there’s a link somewhere. But I ended up working there, and I did these little vignettes with Jonathan, Rachel, and Rebecca.

I love these kids. Jonathan came to me once. He was, like, trying to write a girl a letter. He was, like, young, and he was like, how should I do it? And I was with him, and I really. I really cared about this kid. And I always felt like, if I’m being honest, I always felt like. I felt like Marcus is. Marcus didn’t. I felt like he. He was a little less compassionate than I am as a father. I felt like, you know, Jonathan was just such a smart, wonderful young man. He’d be like, yes, sir.

Thank you, sir. And I always thought, I’m like, that reminds me a little bit of, like, the Great Santini, that movie, you know, where. You know, I never saw that. Yeah, it’s. Well, it’s. It’s a movie about a Marine who’s a drill sergeant who’s really, really tough on his kids, and they need to play sir, and they needed that or else. And I felt. I felt for him. But I’m not saying, like, Marcus was a terrible father. I’m sure he was. But I know, just so you know, I’ll say it. I think he was a horrib father.

Well, I mean, first of all, listen, you don’t cheat on your wife. Just what I know from other people talking, including Joni. Right. Well, you know, and. And see, now I do know Joni. Her brother Lane, my best. I love this guy. Very few people I’ve had in my life that were, like, really dear friends of mine. I lay and I looked at, like, a little younger brother. And Justin. Justin, now he’s gone through a journey. He’s working in Christian tv still. Lane is still, I believe, head of the. Of the department, who’s just an awesome guy.

Right. But when I left, you know, it was like I got cut off from all of them. It was like. It was like, only recently did I reach out. Like, when I heard about Marcus, I reached out to Joanie and We didn’t leave on good terms, you know, like, because I was younger and I just had a kid on the way. You know, I had Ethan coming, and we just bought a house. And, you know, it was. I think that it was completely tied to this whole scandal because I’d. They’d fly me out. I worked from New York for years.

Wow. They’d fly me out. It was wonderful. It was like. Jacob worked for Laban, right? Laven, he was a shepherd over there, you know, feeding the flock. And then he’s like, I gotta go. And they’re like, no, no. And, you know, I worked for them for seven years, so it’s. It’s pretty interesting. Yeah. Well, how did. How. Let’s start from the beginning. Sure. How did you get involved with daystar if you were in New York? I knew that. In Alabama back in the day. Or were they in Texas? They were still in Texas. Yeah. They were in a little renovated Piggly Wiggly.

Yeah. And when I got there, you know, things escalated very quickly. Like, I believe we were in 300,000 homes, I think, at that point, to, like, billions of homes in, like, short amount of time, maybe less than a year. Wow. And. And like I said, you know, I. When I became Joni’s writer, there’s. There was, of course, like, when I went into that field, here’s the guy that I’ve, in their eyes, made it, you know, because I’m coming from WWE and elsewhere, so it was probably a lot of competition and everything else, but I just wanted to serve.

You know, I took a huge pay cut coming there. I was like, I’m going to sell my house and make this much money. I really. Because I wanted to serve the Lord, you know, So I was, like, ready. I was ready to go. You’re the only one there doing it. Well, you. Because I know there’s a lot of good people that work. There are. Yeah, there are. But once again, you don’t know people’s hearts. And they did, like I said before, they. Even the producers, they set me up for failure. I did. I remember doing a piece once, and all of these, by the way, this was in the very beginning.

We ended up becoming very good friends, and I love them all. I can’t say anything bad about anybody because, you know, we’re all young and everybody makes mistakes and everybody acts out of fear, insecurity. So, you know, I have to have a lot of grace for them. And. But at the time, you know, I did this one little vignette. We were doing a show with Lee Grady. And I did this vignette about miracle healing. And I kind of. I kind of spoofed it up, and I was wearing, like, a top hat, and I had, like, a bunch of people in a line with their, you know, walkers and everything else.

And. And I did this whole thing because that’s what the show we were doing. The producer okayed it, I just wrote it, I pitched it, and next thing you know, there was a huge production meeting, and I was sitting in the back, and I was so excited because I really love my job and I love working there. And they pulled up the rolling of me, and Joanie was very upset with it and said, you know, this is not who we are. And I didn’t mean it to be that way, but I was thinking, you know, like, wow, that was like a big slap in the face.

And the producers okayed the show. I wasn’t the boss of the show. I was just a writer, you know, so. So, like, you see that there was a lot of competition. Everything else, thank God that was all in the very, very beginning, right? And what I do know of Joanie is that very patient. I remember one time we were called into a meeting because we were having issues with the other. It was a competition. Everybody was, you know, worried. And here I’m just like, I just want to do the work, Lord. You know, my first roll in is a true story.

My first roll in, they gave me, like, the worst editor, the producers, the worst. That it was almost like they were trying to set me up for fail. And it was this project about a marine or somebody, a young guy who gets in the service, who’s serving and ended up getting baptized. And I did this whole piece, and I wrote a poem. Who does that in Christian tv? Put the poem in it, use my voice. And I did my whole little thing because, you know, I like to be creative, right? And Joan Joni cried when she watched it.

Joanie, like, literal. And it wasn’t, like, force. It wasn’t. And I said, this is. This is somebody that, you know, really probably has their heart in the right place. I always felt Joanie had that. Now, that being said, I could pull up the emails I have with human resources where I sound like I hate them, right? But, like, literally, I went this morning before coming on here, I wanted to go back in time, the 2013, right? I mean, you know, I was so unhappy with it because I loved my job so much. And I felt like.

I felt like, what happened? But really, what did they do? I was living in New York. You know, my producer got involved with this lawsuit, and, you know, whether they carried me along with it or not, God has a. When God tells you to leave, you going to complain to people. I remember. I remember because I, you know, I even had a little bit of a back and forth because people like saying, why are you always. It always seems like you’re coming to Joni’s Aid and Rescue? Well, no, I’m sharing what I believe is true. And by the end of the show, I think people are going to see this whole situation a little bit differently.

But I want to start by saying it wasn’t always like Gravy Train for me. It wasn’t always great over there. You know, I was always the. Was always the oddball, the weirdo. And even when she. She read my novel, love my novel, but, you know, she. She thought that I was a little bit, we’ll say, like, more immature in the scriptures. I had different ideas about hell and everything else. You know, this. I have a very different idea than, say, religious, mainstream Christianity. So it was interesting that God brought me there. But what I know of them as a family, you know, like, Joanie was.

I thought she was the best of them, you know. Were you there during the years that he was having the affair? Oh, yeah. And so, you know, the woman that. Not only that, this is a true story. When I first got the job, I got a vibe. I did. I got a vibe. And I went to his assistant because, as God would place it. This is funny, when I went out there, God put me in someone else’s house. When I say God, daystar put me up in Justin’s house. And he told me when he met me, it was great.

He said, yeah, you know, God told me to save the room, the upper room, always for the prophet. So. And I was like, wow, that’s pretty cool. He’s like, so anytime people come and visit, you know, I. I have that room for him. But, yeah, I got a vibe early on, and I asked even Marcus’s assistant, I said, is there something? And I kind of got, like a nod. So I kind of always knew. Yeah, so I always had this vibe. And the sadness for Joni because, you know, she. You could tell that she really loved her family so much.

And I, like, I said, I did these little. These little vignettes with Jonathan, Rachel and Reka. They were young. Rebecca was like, you know, was like, so. So they were also talented, but Rebecca was like the shining star. She was always so. So great on camera. Jonathan was always so Sweet. And Rachel, they were all. So that’s why it’s so sad to see them here now. Right. You know, and to know that all of the stuff that happens with Susie and. And Jonathan, there’s a lot of it that. You know. At first, when I heard it, I said, oh, man, this is horrible.

You want to talk about, like. And then I. I think back to, like. Remember I was. I was telling you earlier that I did. That I did a video when I was let go. This is strange. I got to show this to you called the Fall of Saul. I don’t know. Let me see if I can get it so that you can read it, but if you look, you can see it. Description. All of Saul, 2011. Yeah. January 23rd. Right. So I did that video when I knew I was being, you know, let go. Fired. And I had already kind of said things.

I said, you know, you really got to dedicate this place to the Lord. You really got. I said, if you don’t, I’m telling you, there’s gonna be a problem. So I did this video. In the video, I was literally talking to Marcus and Jonathan because Saul’s son’s name was Jonathan. And so when I heard he passed, I was like. I was. I remembered that video, and I thought, oh, my God, how horrible. Because in the video, I told the story about how Saul, you know, Saul, he just started taking it in his own hands. He wasn’t listening to the spirit of God anymore.

He wasn’t. He didn’t care. He didn’t want to. Want to do it his way. And he ended up going to, you know, to all sorts of wrong people. The witch. Right. So. And Jonathan was the son. And so that’s why at the end of the video, like I said, I said, if you don’t. If you don’t leave the system, you’re gonna fall with Saul. And to see this happening now today, it’s crazy. Not to mention, when the news broke with. So this was, like, 14 years ago, right? Well, this was exactly. This is crazy. This was exactly 9 years, 10 months, and 10 days before the news broke about Jonathan and Susie and the sa.

Thing, which I. I have a very. Well, I have a hard time with a lot of the stuff that I’ve learned since then. You were saying something that you heard before, right? When we were off camera? Yeah, I’ll talk about it in a little bit, definitely. So. But I want to. Before we, like, get too far with it. What was when. When you reached out to them because Marcus had died. Were You? Oh, I was mending fences. I. You know, it’s like my best buddy, Lane. I hadn’t talked to him. I’ve reached out a bunch of times.

The only person I kept in touch with was Justin. He was going through a difficult time, and. And I knew that God was gonna find his way out of it. Ironically, I. You know, I love these people so much. They’re in my. They’re in my novel. There’s two characters, justice and Lance. And ironically, when Thomas leaves that place, justice and Lance, one of them leaves the place as well. The other stays. And. And so it’s interesting. Justin left, I left. Lane is still there. But they’re my boys. They were like my brothers. I love them so much.

And, you know, now here we are. How many years later? It’s nine years, 10 months, 10 days later. I think of, like, nine, 1 1. You know, it’s like, just. The whole thing is. Is really sad. So I got in touch with Joanie just to basically say, hey, here’s the deal. I’m sorry I wrote that letter to Human resources. I did. I was like. I felt like Martin Luther. I was like, I’m gonna tell them everything. I’m gonna talk about this, I’m gonna talk about that. I’m gonna talk about. I’m gonna lay it out. I’m gonna say, this is where you’re doing it all wrong.

And I did. And I sounded like such an arrogant, hot. Like, that was only God, what, 10 years ago? It’s amazing what, you know, 13 years ago, because we were still. We were still dealing with it. To see where I am now, to feel like God, you know, I was really immature. I was acting out of ego and fear. I didn’t know what I was going to do. I felt like I had been wrongly terminated. But I really wasn’t. Wrongly terminated. Me. Think about it. If I moved back to Texas, they probably would have kept me there, right? They wouldn’t have to fly you back and forth.

And to be honest, you know, I come out out of the blue, and we have our, like, morning devotion or whatever. And I have this dream, and I’m looking at the studio floor, and they’re all the cracks in the floor. This is a true story there. All the cracks in the floor. And they’d have to laminate over it, you know, because when you’re moving the cameras, you don’t want bumps. So they have to continue to laminate over it. And it costs a lot of money. So I had this wild dream that something was going to shake the very foundation of daystar.

And I got up and I told everybody, not knowing there was like a huge lawsuit, not knowing he’d be going on Dr. Phil in like a month, talking about how he was, you know, having a terrible affair and he trying to get ahead of it. Could you imagine your friend in your home and you’re reading leaked emails that your husband saying you’re the future Ms. You know, Mrs. Marcus Lamb. Could you imagine being Joanie? No. And now could you imagine. I’m just saying, let’s put all the other stuff aside. Loving your kids and everything else. You were with a guy who did that to you.

You publicly stayed with them. You worked on things, you did what you thought was the right thing. And then finally, I hate to say this because it sounds very cruel, but finally you’re free, right? You’re free now. Maybe she really was like, everything was okay. I don’t mean to look at it that way, but if it wasn’t okay, could you imagine the mindset? That’s what, that’s what I’m getting at. Right. It seemed like they were very much in love towards the end and everything else, but, I mean, it’s hard to come back from something so humiliating.

And the way that Marcus spoke to people sometimes, you could imagine how he might speak to her, you know, in. And what do I know? You know, but so now she’s married to Doug Weiss, who I wrote many shows with. I thought he was a nice guy. You know, I always thought it was interesting. He’s a sex expert. I’m like, oh, God, this is ridiculous. I always thought it was so silly, but it’s an important thing to talk about. People should. Well, if you have a level headed person. He’s clearly not level. I don’t know much about him.

Yeah, I, that’s. I’m not here to speak on his. But I’ve done a couple of shows with him and I do find it interesting. And so going back, did. Did they receive you when you. When you went to call about Marcus’s death, were you. Oh, God, Joanie was so, so, like, it was like she was happy, responded right away. Oh, good. And now. And I gotta tell you something, I was very rude to her. Yeah, I was very. I wasn’t like the people online that’ll do a video and say things like, I said things to her, things that were unfair, things that may not have been true because a lot of my information was coming from somebody that was connected to the family very closely.

So you believe it? You know. Right, right. And. And then when I was about, like, other people, there’s been so many people that have worked there that have kind of come out as whistleblowers that, you know, Joni’s a little bit of a prima donna. And did you see her behave that way with other people? I know that you said she wasn’t that way with you. No, no. I mean. I mean, she. I think she treated me well. I mean, let’s be frank. There was one time that, like, you know, she was having lunch with Joyce Meyer and everything else, and I had a plane to catch, and it was.

Think it was her birthday. And I just wanted to say happy birthday, but they were talking, and I stood there, and I felt like I stood there for an obscene amount of time, and I thought, like, it could have been just, oh, excuse me, Joyce, but I know it’s Joyce Meyer, you know, and then I remember her saying, wasn’t that great? I said, yeah, I just want to say happy birthday. So, I mean, you know, was there a sense of entitlement? I think anybody in a position of authority, you know, or a boss is. But, no.

I mean, I wasn’t scared of her or threatened by her like I was of Marcus, but I wasn’t scared of Marcus like I was when I was working for Vince McMahon or my district manager at the mattress store. What I’m saying is people are human, and when you have authority, you know, it’s like. And from what I understand with Joanie is because I came in and I heard that they had a lot of people close to them really tried to hurt them, really tried to overthrow daystar and take it over. So they have a lot of, like, bagg.

But what I do also know about most of the people that work there is a lot of them addicts that. That, through the ministry, turned their lights around. Started off in the prayer room. Next thing you know, they’re singing on the floor with Joanie. You know, I mean, it was like, we’re not. I broke somebody’s arm. Arm wrestling. No. Oh, no. Oh, God. Norman Nomakoya, he was the most. We loved him. He was such a big guy. And. And at the time, I was. You know, we were both, you know, just being silly, and. And so people were talking, saying, who’s stronger? Let’s do an arm wrestle.

So, like, I beat him once, and he beat me once. And then they had the big tiebreaker over lunch, and he ended up with a spiral fracture. And, you know, I. I was like, oh, I’m gonna Lose my job. I don’t lose my job. When I spoke up to Joanie and I said the thing I said, this is a true story. I called her producer who was there before me and other producers. I said, it’s a den of vipers. True story. In her office. Because we weren’t all getting along right. And this was in the very, very early days.

And I like, acted like once again an entitled jerk. And I’m calling them a den of vipers. Kind of like that’s kind of like you should just say we’re not getting along right. But Joanie was like, she goes like this. It was so funny. I’ll never forget it. She grabbed. She goes, den of vipers, okay? And I was like, oh, crap. I said, can I go to the bathroom? True story. Went in the bathroom, washed my face. I said, okay. Lord, help me get it together. Because we’re very ego driven as people, you know, and when we’re in fear.

I was in fear I was going to lose my job. I gave up everything. I took a huge, massive pay cut, massive to work there because I wanted to serve God so badly. And I don’t regret it. I wish I could go back and work there now. You know, doesn’t matter that we believe a little differently. Doesn’t matter that people have different ideas of that organization. But that place should have somebody like me working there. Should have somebody like you. Did you ever see anything with children? Oh, God, no. Were there even kids around at all? Never, never let me.

What I know about Joni and her children is that she loved her children. Joni was all. She’s very protective. She’s all about her family. Okay? That’s what I know for a fact. So this much breaker. I don’t know how anybody can watch that when her first video. Maybe it’s because I know her and I know when she’s being kind of like reeling in the moment. But like, my heart broke for her, you know, like when I first heard the news, I was like, well, I warned. That was my next question. What, what were your first thoughts about? When I first heard the news, I went back to, oh, crap.

You know, I thought they were going to get their act together because I had this dream. It’s true story. I know that people are going to think this is woo woo. But the dream is what got me in trouble to begin with for Sharon. But I had this dream where I was at Rebecca’s baby shower and everybody was there and I was in Outskirts and everybody was happy that I was There it was like we made peace. Now this is before me and Joni even. I even emailed her. We don’t communicate that often. She’s always like, thanks.

Hope your family’s good. God bless you. Appreciate you keeping your. Like, she didn’t say anything, by the way. When I heard about this, I reached out to her immediately, and she didn’t say this, that. And the other thing she said, just please pray for my family. This is a hard time, you know, and where she could have been like, oh, it’s all this girl, you know, she’s. She’s, you know, alone. She could have said a bunch of things, but she didn’t, you know, so that’s that. But, no, I never saw, you know, and I know for a fact that she loved her grandchildren.

Oh, my God. Like, even more so than you were thinking. I heard this from other people, like, from Justin and everybody else. So when I first heard the news that this possibly happened, when Jonathan and Susie came out with their first video, I was shocked. And. And I was like, immediately I knew who they were talking about. And not that I ever met him or anything else, because you gotta remember, I left many years ago. They were still children. And so I was like, oh, you know, I guess that they didn’t get their act together since Marcus left.

You know, that’s what. That. That’s. That was my first thought. Yeah. And my second thought was, I love Jonathan so much. I thought this kid was so sweet. He still. When I see him, I think he’s so sweet. And he has a very gentle appearance. Very different from Susie. From what I’ve learned from Susie and I’ve watched in the video, it’s very different. And you know what? Sometimes opposites are. Are good for each other. I’m not saying that, you know, they shouldn’t be, but I can see where, you know, fear and suspicion and gossip can turn, you know, your wife and you.

You want to support your wife. And I can see how when you’re worried about your child, you carrying that and. And then going public with it. Forget about the fact that they, like, recorded and this was, like, prior planned and they went out of their way to show everybody how horrible their mother is. Who fired me and I hated. I want to, you know, be frank. I don’t work for daystar. Daystar. They don’t even follow me. I was so mad at them. This is true. I was so mad at them. I do. I’m the only one that really came out and tried to, like, say, hey, you know, What? I’m somebody that actually went through this.

I know the steps. Okay. When my daughter was going through this, when she was having nightmares and she was telling us what was happening and she was having. I don’t want to get into all that. CPS was immediate. Sorry you had to deal with that. No, I mean. Well, listen. But it wasn’t at daystar for clarity. No, this was. This was. I was still working for daystar at the time. They knew all about this. They knew I was. What I’m saying is it did. Whatever happened with your daughter didn’t happen. Oh, God. No, no. Yeah. I’m just.

I’m being clear because you’re right. Right, right. I should be clear about that. My. My ex. Wife got involved with a bad guy who was many years younger than her and was on house arrest and, you know, in my house, and he was. I mean, it was a really bad time, and I had no money. I’d lost everything. I’d gave him my house to my ex. I just trusted God would always work it out and always does. You know, my ex and my. I. We’re. We’re close. She’s in California. She’s like, everything. The past is the past.

It all worked together for the good. But do you know why my daughter is thriving today? Is because when they were going through this, we knew that there was an issue. We had plenty of evidence to back it up. But to take this to court and to try it would further damage her. And we were told by the top forensic evaluator. Top. In New York. She was, you know, that you don’t want to relitigate this. If the guy’s out of her life and never going to be around her again, it’s best for her to not be reminded of this so she can heal.

Right. Studies say this. And so what we decided to do was not to press charges. Leave it in God’s hands. That guy ended up a drug addict, ended up in jail, ended up stealing. He ended up. His life is living hell. And I knew it was gonna be right. You know, I had people. Well, there’s a difference between making that choice and covering it up. And I think. Yeah, yeah, of course, that’s the concern that a lot of people have. And obviously, when 18 programmers leave their. Yeah, but that. That’s neither here nor there, because they’re leaving because of what’s being said.

They’re not leaving because they know it’s true. They’re leaving. My point is, is they’re leaving because they’re. There’s it hasn’t been resolved. Well, it hasn’t been, though. Or has it been? Is anybody in jail? Well, I mean, it’s something that takes a while. I don’t know if you’re familiar with that. If somebody goes after it with, you know, doesn’t make the decision that you made, then it does take a little bit. Well, now, here’s a question for you. Things verified. Yeah, here’s. Here’s a question for you. What did you share with me earlier about how Jonathan and Susie were at an event and someone said that Tony was babysitting? This is what Madison Marquette has posted on Twitter.

That’s why I can share it. Madison Marquette is saying that she has inside information. This is alleged that Jonathan and Susie went to Arizona, and when they went to Arizona, somebody was watching their child and that the person watching the child was Joni. Yeah. And so if. If she’s covering it up, then that’s kind of a weird thing. Right? Like, why would they do that? Right. That doesn’t make any sense. I. So I did this. I did this video because. And I shared about my daughter. I shared about everything that we went through. The first thing was CPS was contacted.

There was an investigation. Police were notified. There was an exam. Okay. Now, what was presented by Julie Royce, you know, this whole crew, the wake up Bake up crew and all these. They. They’re. They just hammered her. They’re calling her this. And. And then when I, who’ve gone through this, point out simple things like, well, this is what we know about the story. Something happened at the school, or so Susie was told. She went to Joanie. You know, tell us what happened. She couldn’t identify the person who supposedly in her family, her immediate family. I can’t identify the person.

All right, But. But originally it was about the school. It was about going to the school and what was the problem? Right. But then what happened? So I’ve heard, and, you know, and I could be wrong. You correct me on this, that Rebecca told Susie. So, I mean, see, it sounds to me like, you know how siblings have issues with each other and you put money involved and if they’re led the wrong way and they got a father who, you know, is obviously not the best when it comes to, you know, if a man can’t rule his house, how’s he going to rule the kingdom of God? And if he’s cheating on his wife who loves him, you know, I mean, how’s he going to be the best father, you know? So horrible.

It’s. I Think it is the worst situation, how they grow up. Maybe. Maybe Rachel, maybe Rebecca have, like, issues with each other. Maybe Rebecca, maybe she, you know, was just firing Susie up. I’m not saying that that’s the case, but that’s where it came from. Susie and Jonathan had no idea. Guess what? I knew, you know, how. Because my daughter, who was younger than their daughter, told me who it was, you know, so it wasn’t very difficult. And it’s not like you can do like a whole, like. Oh, so wait, wait, wait, wait. Your daughter was.

Was affected by the same man? No, no, no, no. This is my story. That’s their story. Okay. Like, yeah, yeah, yeah. We just separated it. What are you talking about? Okay, my daughter told me who it was. Right, I see what you’re saying. Yes. Okay. Came in, would have nightmares, night terrors, have to. I had to make what we used to call sleepy’s bed. I’d make her a beggar. She had to sleep next to me. And it was very obvious. And there was no way I would ever let this guy around my child again. Got a restraining order immediately.

Of course, they didn’t go to CPS right away. CPS was contacted by other people later. And then they want to put it off on. Oh, well, Joanie said. And Joanie did this. It doesn’t make sense as a parent who’s gone through this, you know, if you. Yeah, but were you. Were you a parent who was spiritually abused? As far as it seems to me that Marcus and Joanie, it’s their way or the highway. And Jonathan is a submissive kid. And when you grow up with that, it becomes a habit. So when mom says drop that, you still drop it.

You’ve heard the recordings, right? Yeah. Did you hear the recording when Joanie brought up the fact that Susie created this terrible thing and you know, Susie, you know what it was and how horrible it was. And Susie, like, snickers and doesn’t say, well, he molested my child. And you’re covering it up. Why wouldn’t she? Why would she. I don’t remember that one. I might not have. Yeah, yeah. People are like, oh, listen. Listen to this. And I’m going, well, she’s bringing up that Susie. So it was clear that Susie thought something was an issue. Right? You know, and she thought something was an issue with this person because Rebecca told her something.

But the seed was planted. They call it the mind virus was planted with something that happened at the school, which happened to another girl, too. So there’s like a story that’s very believable. But then there’s no men that work at the school. Well, but I thought it was kids. I thought it was kids. Two kids. One of the kids like went up. She said it was taller than her father. She said the story just. It’s so con. What it say, conflicting and strange. At one point, he was alone with the girl. That’s exactly why it should be there.

It should be taken more seriously by. I think so, yeah. Hang on. But you’re saying by Joanie. Yes, because I think that Joanie’s trying to put her head in the sand. It’s in my opinion, if I own Day Star, his daughter went from speaking about it to not speaking about it, but only after Joni was with her alone for an hour. Well, it wasn’t until later, what I’m saying is until later that she thought that it was somebody else. Because Rebecca told her. Right. I don’t remember anything. Yeah, yeah. In the beginning it was all about the school.

And then she got it in her head because Rebecca put it there, that so and so acts weird around the child. And that could be the case. Right? That could be the case. I’m not saying that that’s not the case, but what I’m saying is if someone, a child will say is digitally sa’d, as they said, a hymen breaks, there is evidence, and you bring them immediately to the doctor. Now, when I first heard about it, I like even sent an email out. Oh, my God, I’m so sorry, Jonathan. Anything that I can do. I felt terrible.

But then when the next day came out. Oh, and she was molested by the chiropractor who came to her house. I’m going, hang on a second. Not the daughter. No, Susie. Susie, yeah. It was like chiropractor had had another and somebody else had complained about the chiropractor and. Right. And that’s very, very good that they should have led with that. And then they could have even gone into the whole Jimmy Evans thing about the marriage. Because then it was like the next day it was that they should have never. And this is my big red flag.

I was told you when you say you have a red flag, who’s the red flag on? The red flag is 100% on Susie. 100%. And I’m going to tell you why. Because. And I’m going to say Jonathan as well, because they’re doing this together. This is just a red flag. Doesn’t mean that it didn’t happen. Doesn’t mean that it’s not true. I certainly, if something literally happened, wouldn’t be hanging out, wouldn’t be secretly recording and trying to give him in a gotcha moment. Doesn’t sound like they were very, very scared or very, very, we’ll say, like, you know, like sounds like they were kind of plotting and planning something to me.

To me, that’s what it sounds like. But the red flag was not that. The red flag was the fact that they made their daughter the centerpiece of this. Now, I was told, you don’t want to remind the girl of this. Now here’s the irony is that like a year later, she began to re litigate this and she even said, well, I don’t even know what it’s like to put words into a child’s mouth. She even said the thing that people do and they put it on there, and that’s actually considered abuse. You know, they. You know what I mean? Because now this girl, for the rest of her life will always believe in her head that she was molested by this man.

Meanwhile, they could have kept that back. They had enough. They had enough. What do you think the end game was for Susie and Jonathan? The end game was. See, now I’m willing to believe that maybe they really believe that there was an issue, you know, and I’m even willing to believe that maybe, you know, because Rebecca said it even though they had no evidence, even though that this guy doesn’t have any history of it, which usually you’ll find. I’m willing to believe that she believed it, you know, but if you’re trying to protect your daughter, you don’t put your daughter, you know, center stage in your family drama.

They had plenty to go on, so that’s actually damaging. And then what happens? She’s now back and forth with Rachel talking about how, oh, the daughter has this and the daughter’s constipated and has the eczema and all the stress and what they’re doing to the daughter, she’s admitting is causing a physical reaction. So the question is, is it because she was or because this is being pushed on her, which people do. Right. I mean, if you want to be fair, many people have charged other people of committing this very crime and it not being true, you know? Yeah, that’s why.

That’s why I’m saying why would she be babysitting the crime? You take it very seriously. Of course. Everyone should step back. Everyone should. And, and it’s kind of. I, I do believe that when I, I. When you have something like this, everyone involved has something to do with it. Yeah. At some level. Oh, no, I’m sure there’s different levels of complicity, but to me, like, it’s a big crime off in a pinch. Joni doesn’t have a way out now. Well, you let me tell you something. I think there is a way out. And I. I hope Jonathan and Susie are listening, because I feel like this is my.

I don’t think that they. I think they were misled by a bunch of, you know, clickbait, title grabbing, you know, watchdogs who, by the way, like Royce, has their own little checkered past. I don’t know if you ever look at her, and a lot of. I’m very surprised at how embracing people are of her. Right. When she. When you talk about abuse, these very things about people she’s interviewing saying how disturbing it is that this person did this for so long. But then she wrote in her own book. I know. And so. So, yeah, I do.

I do agree with. With that. And, and so you have to. To me, it is such a serious thing, and it should be handled the way yours was handled. I mean, it should be handled seriously. And most definitely not like if Joni was babysitting while they were at their event talking, and that’s alleged, Remember? We don’t know if it’s true, but it’s like, you’re right. That is. That. That is very. I would say if I was Joanie, I would have taken a picture of the kids and just posted that online and said, okay, well, they’re letting me babysit the kids.

But here’s even better. She probably wouldn’t do that. I think. I think I put this forward to begin with. And I was mad at. At Joni and Daystar. I even. I heard Marcus Rogers was getting involved, and I said, whatever you do, please don’t have him on your show. I felt like God was like, you don’t want to do this. You know, and so then I see Marcus Rogers on the show, and everybody’s thanking Marcus Rogers. Marcus Rogers. Marcus Rogers, who attacked him, tore him down. You know, like, nobody said thank you to me. You know how much hate I got for sticking up for people that fired me? Rachel Lamb didn’t follow me.

Well, you weren’t doing it for that reason. No, I wasn’t. And that’s why I was really comfortable with having this conversation with you, because you’re one of the few people that if we disagreed and. And we do on several things, we agree on others that I felt like it wouldn’t Go left. And so. But so. So I’m Joanie. I don’t keep Pete there. I. I remove Pete and I removed. Until the allegations are cleared. Yeah, until at least, like, he won’t even go. You know, from what I understand from what’s been reported, he won’t even finish out the third party, you know, the forensic, you know, psychologist or whatever she is.

I don’t know. All I heard was I heard the guy took a couple of lie detector tests. I heard that. You know, I mean, first of all, if they. If they were to do anything at this point in time, it’s like you couldn’t. You couldn’t ever possibly prove this at this point in time. There’s no way. You know, what you could do is you could convince a little girl that she was molested when she wasn’t. And now she’s going to carry it for the rest of her life. She will. It’ll be online. Everybody she goes to school with, everybody.

That does not sound to me like parents that were thinking clearly. It sounds to me. And that that’s. That could be. That’s fair. But what you’re saying, at least the way I’m hearing it, is that you’re thinking they implanted it, that the little girl didn’t come to them first. No. And that’s not the way I understand it. That’s not what I’m saying. What I’m saying is, at this point, there’s no way to prove it, Right? Well, there. There often isn’t. I mean, when somebody’s grooming a child, they are very careful and listen to the words that you’re saying, right? At no point in time did they ever suspect anything until they were told.

You know what a mind worm is, right? It gets into your head. You know what a lie is. I’m not saying until they were told. You mean until their daughter came and told them. No, no, no. It was all about the school. She said it happened at the school and supposedly there was another girl. No, the mother assumed it happened at the school. No, she was told it happened at the school. Well, I. I didn’t hear that. That’s what I. That. That they went to the school. Yeah, no, I knew that part because that’s. That’s what the daughter assumed it.

Because the daughter was only in two places. No, that’s because the daughter said. I believe it’s been a while since I’ve listened. The daughter said that it happened at the school, and then she didn’t know how to handle it and went to Joanie for it. Because, you know, Joanie, like, loved her, and I guess there was a good thing. But it wasn’t until later that a thought was put inside her head by Rebecca saying, hey, he acts weird around. That’s. This is what I’ve heard. Right. So that’s what that is. They have said that part, but I.

I just. The first take on it, I. From what I understand, the little girl comes to them. Susie thinks, okay, there’s only two places this could have happened. It’s either daystar or there. So it’s not daystar. In her mind, that’s family. So it must have been the school. She tells Joni, that’s one way of doing it. Yeah. I thought it was, like, two. I thought it was a boy that did this to two girls at the school. So. So I haven’t heard that piece. And. And that’s the thing, is we can’t all hear everything. I know, I know.

And that’s what makes it difficult. Right. You could be wrong. So then what I do is I look at all of the other stuff. You know, like you said, you were a little taken back. If she was literally babysitting. Susie cried and carried on that she was being attacked by Joanie. When Joanie showed up to the house to give a gift to her grandchildren. I mean, she loves her grandchildren. Could you imagine. I’m saying, imagine this doesn’t happen. Why is everybody jumped a shark on this when there’s so many red flags along the way? Well, and that’s what my point is, is because there’s so many.

As the matriarch of the family, as the CEO of daystar, she needs to make everyone back off. Child’s most important thing. Nothing else matters until we figure this out. And that’s not. That seemed like that’s what they were doing, though. Right? Everyone else there, she got rid of Tony or she got rid of Susie and. And Jonathan. And let me tell you. Well, to be frank, though, let me tell you. I’ll tell you the kind of people that. The kind of people that record someone. Yeah. Have been so emotionally and mentally and spiritually abused, usually, that they can’t even trust themselves.

And. And they go to other people and they go, what should I do? And the person says, we’ll get it on tape because then you’ve got proof. I agree with you there. And that’s. I disagree with anyone that has a problem with them doing. No, I agree with you there. I. I feel like they were a victim of, like, Royce and Company. I really do. I feel like they were encouraged and maybe they went to her to begin with. I feel like somebody said to them, this is what you got to do. And look, all of the other stuff with Jonathan, hey, if you just sign this letter and you promise me I’m going to be the president, you know, all this can go into pass and we’ll forget it.

And I get the fact that at the time they didn’t know. They thought he was cleared, he wasn’t cleared, and all this stuff, all that I understand. It’s just all of it seems so sus to me. And I feel like if they were really confused and scared, she didn’t think it was him. Never had any thought that it was him until someone said, hey, there’s your target. Right? And with no proof. And the guy’s never been in trouble with this, but now his life’s pretty much. I mean, he’s in ministry, right? So he’s, he’s. Look at how many people are leaving now, right? And this is where lawsuits come in.

Because if you can’t prove something and you can say something like that, then, then anybody who’s saying that they’re, you know, like that she’s literally. That’s why Joanie should have gotten it out. What do you mean? Still hasn’t. What do you mean, gotten it out? So, so every one of those people that are a part of the drama, right? I, if it’s my, if it’s my business and there’s a child involved, everyone, everyone’s out of the building. You don’t, you don’t work here until we get this figured, you know, whatever, however you have to do it, we have to figure this out first.

Well, once again, I think that they, I think that that’s what they tried to do right before Marcus died. And then Marcus there, and he’s the one that’s been accused, then Marcus, I think then Marcus died and then there was like this, that and the other thing. And then, then she got married to Doug and then there was a problem with it not being a biblical mar. Well, Joni. Joni should never have gotten married that fast. Yeah. But once again, that, once again, people. But I also understand what it feels like to. Because I’ve been there to be somebody that’s going through a divorce or whatever, or lost.

Every woman should be like, put in handcuffs until they come out of their, their grieving or their freak out or whatever emotional things they go through. Once again, I just find, like, I would. Could care less who my mom is. Marrying if my daughter was being, you know, you. You all say the essay by someone nearby. And I certainly wouldn’t like if I had thought that if someone tells me it’s clear and I really believe it, I’m not going to let them sleep in the next room. It was clear that they felt comfortable with their daughter around him.

Right. And. Well, they didn’t let him sleep in the next room. No, I’m talking about the. The bunk beds, the whole. Remember the whole story the first time it happened. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But that was already after. They thought this was like, when they were all trying to rebuild and they were trying to come back together. So the way I understand it, the way it happened, I’m not an expert on the situation. Yeah. First it was the school, then the school. School got cleared because there’s no male working there. And she said it was a tall man.

Taller than Daddy. Yeah, I think Joni said. I think Joanie said that it was a girl. I mean, not a girl. I’m just telling you what. What I. This is the timeline that I know. Right. And this is. And so once. Once that happened, then they. There’s nothing you can do. There’s no man that works there. Right. Then when that happened, that’s when they wanted to get the third party and all the stuff. Right. That would be. That would be. Then, I guess when Rebecca told Susie about all that. I’m not really privy to that part of the story.

I. I don’t know anything about what Rebecca. Someone had to point to somebody, right? So someone had to point to somebody. And that’s where. That’s what I think that’s established. I think so. And I listen. I feel like. I feel like they were. This is. This is what I would do if I was them. The. The. I, you know, if you can ask me what I would do if I was Joni, I wouldn’t be in Joni’s position. Bingo. Same meaning, right? This wouldn’t be. This isn’t going to be an issue. Jonathan and Susie, I feel like, you know, they’re going on this publicity tour where the whole thing is about, you know, this terrible event that may have happened or not.

No. Doctors concluded that it happened. The police cleared it the first time or whatever. I mean, it looks on paper like it was. You were concerned about it, and now maybe you have somebody else that you’re concerned about. There’s no history. You start to look at it like that, then you start to add in all the other stuff they’re recording behind the scenes. There’s an issue with this. They have an issue with her getting married to Doug Weiss. That’s not biblical all of a sudden. That’s more important than the door. So it’s just. There’s a lot of it that just doesn’t sit right to me as somebody that’s gone through it and knows how devastating it feels, like I still to this day don’t know for sure.

You know, we. We had. We had enough proof that there was my ex wife left, so it wasn’t, you know, but right away, CPS, right away, Dr. Sport, right away to police right away, all of these things. Well, you did all the right things. They didn’t. And. And here’s the thing. Is it. I would like to ask them, do you know for sure? What would you do now, Jonathan? You’re writing the whole story. Let’s say you’re pitching this as a movie and how these people are going to overcome this, this soap opera. I want to see the family get together.

I put a subtitle called Beauty for Ashes. And once again, I could be completely wrong 100%. I mean, so could everybody else. And you just shouldn’t condemn somebody of something unless, you know, factually. I mean, I literally have prayed for every person in that family, and you’re having me on. None of the people that are critical of daystar and Joanie would because there’s very few voices out there. Right. You know, and. And it’s. I think it’s just because I know Joni wouldn’t do this. From what I know of her, she could have changed in 13 years.

Yeah. I know how much she loved her children. I know how much she really cared, and I know she actually really cared about the Lord. Now there’s a new thing going around where she’s given a curse. Right. Do you hear about the curse? Well, I saw where. Where it originated from, and the curse was against spiritual evil, not people. Right, but what is everybody doing? She’s a witch. She’s. It is a very. David, I personally didn’t. I would never. I would never pray like that. You never. You never said, lord, anybody coming against me, please turn their arrows against them.

I have. I do it all the time. Anybody who’s going to say bad comments about me, Lord, let their comments bounce back on them. Right now, am I doing witchcraft or am I, you know, but the prayer did begin with, show us. Help us to repent. Let us know what’s true. You know, she started off with a prayer of repentance, and then Went in. She must listen if there. There are people that are leaving, there are people that are signing up. Daystar is a huge institution. It has an opportunity right now after being broke. I think it’s going down well.

It’s already down. Right. So, no, I mean, I think it’s gonna go all the way down. And maybe. Maybe I would like to see Jonathan and Susie and their family get back together regardless. Right. I believe. I know personally, that Joni is ready regardless, to, you know, she. She is ready right away and to let things go. There’s a lot of stuff that she did wrong. I mean, there’s a lot that everyone. Everybody does wrong. Yeah. Because whenever you have a situation, no matter how to handle it, no matter who’s involved, they have a part in it because they are involved.

It’s kind of like God’s medicine. Yeah. These are the things that you have to figure out in order to come back to me. Well, you know, it’s funny. I called them. I called. I. You know, this is a correction on Daystar 100. Right. God is doing this whether it’s true or not. Let’s hope that it isn’t true. Right. Let’s pray God that it isn’t true, that Susie and Jonathan are just concerned and it nothing ever happened. Right. Let’s hope, because that’s what we want to be, the truth. And also, let’s hope if it goes the other way, that it’s literally revealed.

And I’m sure that if something like that happened, it will be revealed eventually, because someone who does something like that, they end up doing other things, you know? Right. Oh, for sure. And that’s my concern for Joni. Like, if. If I were working with her and I was trying to help her through this, I would be asking her hard questions. Why in the world would you put a GPS on your son’s vehicle without telling him? Right. No. You own the vehicle. Why are you. Why are you creating this fear? My network fear makes you do stupid things or.

Why. Why are we signing NDAs? Yeah. Well, I mean, that. That makes complete sense. I had to sign NDAs everywhere I’ve worked. Yeah, but that’s business in a church, and their standards need to be higher. And that’s a question I have for you. Here’s a good question for you. Let me go first. Sure. I want to know when you realized, because you said you got a check and you knew that he was probably cheating on his wife. Couldn’t confirm it. Yeah. How did you feel about working for a Christian church entity Even though you knew the man leading it was probably cheating.

Blessed. No, I, I actually knew he was. You say things. I’m like, why would he say blessed? Okay, I can’t wait to hear it. I felt blessed to be there. I mean, I mean, what, what a, what a beautiful place. First of all, people make mistakes, do all sorts of dumb things, right? That doesn’t mean that they’re beyond redemption. And who’s going to get tempted the most? The person that’s given the most, you know, they gave me a job in the field that I wanted to be in, and I knew that it was, it was kind of like.

But you wanted to work for the Lord. And I know. I was like, it was like the Lord wasn’t there. It’s like Jacob goes to work for Laban because he falls in love with Rachel and he gets there and he wakes up and he realized, you tricked me. It’s not Rachel, it’s Leah. You know, it’s. I did get, I did have that feeling when I started to have, like, these great revelations about the Lord and how God loves and, you know, his mercy endures forever. And, you know, things that are just, you know, I found to be not biblical that they believe, but, you know, that’s, that is what it is.

It’s a journey. And I was so happy to be there and to be a part of it. And I felt like out of all the jobs I’ve ever worked, I felt most at home and comfortable there, even though there was a lot of rivalry and there’s a lot of, Let me tell you, some Christians, you’re probably going to need writers. You might be able to walk right back in there. No, I’m, Listen, I, I, I love what I’m doing. I don’t really need, you know, to be going back there. And I live in Long island, so I’m not planning on going to, to Texas.

Let’s do this. Let’s, let’s give, give two. Two. This spectrum. Joanie, Susie, Jonathan, Rebecca, they all made the worst choices. Let’s say they were really true. They all made the worst choices possible. Right? And tell me what your thoughts are on that. But then when you’re done, think about, like, really the best case scenario. Like, what if every person really was trying to do the best that they could, then, then tell me that, right? Do you see what I’m saying? So, like, if I, let’s say you’re pitching a story, you’re pitching me, I’m the producer, and you’re saying, I’ve Got this great soap opera.

It’s, you know, the day star turns and these guys are all like, they’re ready to kill each other. Do the bad one first and we’ll end on the good one. Do the bad one first. Well, I don’t want to. Like, I could definitely sensationalize this and make it out. Like, what’s, you know, this is a power struggle, and if I’m not going to be president, I’m gonna, you know, I’m. Tear this place down. I could say that. I don’t think that that’s the case. I think, you know, that there, there was. You only made Jonathan the bad one.

I wanted you to make everyone the bad one. Everyone’s complicit. Oh, I’m. I’m getting okay, okay. I’m getting there. I don’t. I think that, that Jonathan and Susie clearly had an issue with the change of leadership. I believe that they, you know, were concerned about their daughter. They were concerned about the position they were in. I believe that, you know, Joni, I’ve been into that situation where they’re like, I’m the voice of God. I’m the authority. I mean, the truth is, it’s your boss. You got to listen to your boss. Right. It is also your mother.

So you want to show respect. But, you know, I could see that she was really angry with Susie. I could see that there was really tension. She was saying things like, I want to work things out. And, you know, that’s why we’re here and giving them opportunities like, we don’t want you to be fired. We want you to. You know, we just know that if you go and continue with this story, which it could be real, it could not be real, that it’s going to be devastating. So what does a mother do? Well, how do I keep my son and my daughter in law from losing their job? NDA, everybody signs them.

I had to sign one when I left. That’s why I can’t read anything Right. I don’t even know if I could get in trouble. But I had to sign one. Right. I mean, when I was working for wwe, I, you know, I was the head writer there. But that’s different. That’s not a church. Well, okay, so they need the standards of a church. Well, then they, they. Things would be a lot different because, you know, that’s. It’s very much. It’s very much, we’ll say a business based organization, in my opinion. Okay. You know, they are for profit as well.

Oh, I didn’t know that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They’re for profit as well. It’s not like they’re all, you know, they’re tax exempt and everything else, but they, they have, there, there’s a for profit side as well, you know, so they’re, they’re definitely a business. I mean, and Marcus was real savvy businessman job. Jonathan was like, you know, a crack business guy too. I feel like the loss of the father, the, the, I mean, trauma can change things. They can change an entire family dynamic. So you have that happen. Then you have this new guy that’s in the picture and people like, we don’t really know him that well.

And at first everybody’s lovey dovey and everything’s great. Oh, you look so great together. But the instant they’re getting married, there’s a big problem. And that could be the case. Right. But they all did things wrong because they were all acting out of fear and anger and pride. Everybody, all of them on all sides. Right. Actually, it really would be a funny. It would be a funny. The bad one would be a really good soap opera. Yeah. I mean, if you. Yeah. I mean, they already have it on hbo. Right. You know, but I feel like, I feel like they got taken a little bit in by this.

I think that they had a lot of people encourage them to go public. Like, if I was, I would have been like, oh, my God, you got so much. You want to make the New York Times. Let’s go with the Jimmy Evans. Let’s go with the biblical marriage. Let’s go with the, the masseuse. Don’t bring your daughter into it because what that does is it says that you don’t really care too much about your daughter in the future. You do that behind the scenes. Yeah, but what if it’s the best case scenario and it really did happen and that.

That would be the worst. But yeah, no, I’m saying, like, if everyone is like, doing their best intentions and that, you know, in the scenario I mentioned earlier, you’re saying, like, what, what if they. I just don’t think they. I. I don’t think they thought it through. I think they’re young and they’re angry as I was when I wrote my letter. I was fuming, you know, and. But I, I didn’t sue him. You know, like when, when. David. Here’s the other thing too is all these, you know, YouTube channels, you know, God gave Daystar the influence that it has.

Here comes all these other influencers ready to, you know, tear down. Days are. Which is fine. I Have no problem with it. I have my own channel. I’m not worried about the outer court. You know what I mean? It’s like I’m doing my own thing. Let the world be the world. But David, when he was given the opportunity, like, I could have made things difficult. I got let go right after their lawsuit. I could have made it look like it was like a retaliation type of. I could have. I’m not a dumb guy. But I didn’t do that because I knew that that wasn’t what the Lord wanted.

You don’t touch. You know what I mean? Like, they didn’t really wrong me that much. I was working out of New York. I was lucky. I got the years. I did. And do you know, this is another thing, how much they care about the kids. You know, they gave me like three grand for legal fees when it was with my daughter with all that stuff. Okay, they didn’t have to do that. There’s, there’s, like I said, there’s a lot of good, there’s a lot of bad, and, and that’s every human Joanie feeling her way out. She’s new to this right now.

She had somebody who would. Who did things the wrong way for so long. I think she’s learning from it. I think she got very, very bad advice. And so did Jonathan and Susie. In my opinion, what I would do if I were them. You want to talk about family, come back together, saying, you know what? Give me the best case scenario. Best case scenario is they, they realize that the only way that this works tangibly in the future is to really go to God and pray and say, you know, and really ask yourself, do you really believe that happened? Were, you know, was some of it manipulated? Was any of what you did motivated by anger? And were you doing things to, to hurt your mother? Because in all honesty, you can’t blame Joanie for covering something up.

They. They had no problem revealing it. I don’t know what you mean. I would completely. If I believed that my mother in law shut down the third party thing instead, in agreement with dad. Guess what? It’s done. And you trust your mom and dad and, and they cover it up. Yeah, that’s illegal. Well, they didn’t. I don’t think they covered anything up though. But my point is, is that they, they told him that the third party investigation had been completed. Marcus and Marcus and Joni. Okay, that it. And it was cleared and everything’s done. Leave it alone.

And I think that, so they was trying to like, put it behind. They Were like, I believe. I believe that Jonathan and Susie believed Marcus and Joni. I think that Susie helped Jonathan get Wiley to. The fact that it might. You might have a little bit of too submissive to mom. Right. And I think that this is what she said, that thing about the balls that was like, she’s got you by the balls. I mean, it’s like, but you. You ever meet my mother? Has your mother ever said anything to you that’s not great, doesn’t realize you’re being recorded? My mom was an angel.

My dad did. But, you know, my point is, is, like, I listened to all the tapes, and I thought, that’s the best that they have. It’s not great. But it would have been enough to sink daystar, make them look bad if you left the daughter out. Because now what it does is it calls into question a lot of other things, you know, like, why didn’t you go, well? And that’s what I’m saying about keeping them at daystar. To me, anyone? That’s a question mark. It’s kind of like when a cop is being investigated in a killing, right? Yeah.

We don’t want to say that this cop is guilty. If he’s not, that’s a horrifying thing to do. So what you do is you say you’re. You’re done. You’re. You get to go home, you get to keep your paycheck, but we’re investigating investigation, and then we’ll make our decisions. Here’s another question. What if it was what Joni said and it was about some boy at the school that put his hand up two girls dresses, and it was resolved, and it was never a real issue, and the police said it wasn’t an issue, and it wasn’t a real issue, and Joni knew it wasn’t a real issue, and then it only became an issue later when all this stuff starts to bubble up, you know, then would she.

I mean, if she knew. Like I’m saying, if Joni really knew that. Not like she said nothing happened. Right. It’s. Here’s the thing, though, is if Joni complied with Marcus or was in on it, which. Right. They believe. Yeah. That she was. That’s the pickle she got herself into. Right. No, I agree. Listen, I agree. When you continue to cover it up and you keep the guy at work, I find. I find a whole thing with the. With the. The. The therapist, and I find it all so odd to me, because I’m just thinking, as a parent who went through this myself, and I Mean, listen, you could have a point.

You could have a point with the fact that, you know, they’re not the voice of God when she’s literally talking, but they were the voice of God a month earlier. I mean, maybe that’s a point. Right? You see what I’m saying? And then the fact that they’re recording everything. Absolutely. I think anyone being emotional should record. Yeah, well, I agree, but you can hear them knowing that they’re recording and trying to get their mom to say things. You can hear it. You could hear it. And it was. It was like deficit. That’s your mother. Yes, but it’s a mother that covered up probably the worst.

Hang on a second. You’re saying that covered up like it’s a fact. You don’t know that. Yes, because she’s even said that Marcus told them that it was closed down. That’s Marcus. Right. And she. He said that the. He’s not around. She doesn’t know the. That’s why they went on trips together afterwards. And. And here I want to, like, even after. Disclaimer. Disclaimer. This is just me based. We’re just talking. I’ve watched. Yeah. I don’t know the. I don’t know all of it. And I know that this is like. I could imagine how terrible it would be if I really thought that, first of all, I would have never gone public with it.

I don’t know what YouTuber or reporter is going to say, yeah, let’s put your daughter front page. That’s what sells. Who’s thinking of the little girl? Who’s like, nobody’s thinking of the little girl at all. That’s where they get back together. They blame these, you know, crackpot reporters that not only took an ax to the idea of what Christianity, you know, used to be, which is probably God ordained. I’m not arguing with. It happened for a reason. Right. God does these things for a reason. He gave the foxes, you know, Samson put the. The. The fire, the torches with the foxes, and the foxes went and burnt it all down.

You know, let it. Let it be burnt down. Maybe now they can start again. You know, maybe Joni can be more remorseful. I don’t know what needs to be done. If she’s literally babysitting while they’re at this event. That, that. I think so. Then that gets my mind going. Okay. They’re all in on it together. Maybe it’s a. We’re going to take it from cable to. To. You know, I don’t think that they would do. I I don’t think the only reason that one comes to my mind is because they all call him Pete instead of the people who believe he’s guilty of something saying who it is.

Remember when Jesus was talking to Pete, you know what he said to him? He goes, peter, Satan has asked to sift you like wheat. Satan asked to sift Peter like wheat. Right now they’re being sifted. They’re being sifted. This is what the devil does. The disciples say, you know, they’re not listening. They’re not listening. We try everything, turn that one over to Satan for the destruction of their flesh so the spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord. All this stuff can make, can make daystar stronger, better, more humble. I disagree. It can show.

Well, I’m saying with God everything’s possible. I’m not saying it’s. Well, that’s true with God it’s all possible. But I, I can’t imagine family can come together. God would bless this. Well, no, he’s definitely not blessing it. What I’m saying is what God can do is if all of them decide, you know, to make amends, come to terms, I think that’s the top best thing that could happen. But I think it has nothing to do with all the other. I think they have been so massively exposed with the insurance stuff, you know, buying, you know, elderly people’s insurance and, and.

Oh, you’re talking about Dave sars. Yeah, that stuff’s been going on forever. That’s all, all these ministries, they do this horrifying. I mean, just the fact that people go, oh, this is normal. Once again, private, private enterprise. That’s not fruit. That’s not fruit. That’s not fruit. That is using the church to do a non profit business which is very unscrupulous. You’re not gonna listen. I don’t know the ins and the outs of their business. I’m only here to talk about. Yeah, they need to go. She needs to just be happy. She has money and she needs to walk away into the sunset and just go enjoy her marriage that she got herself into.

Yeah, it’s sad. It’s sad what they’re all going through and, and really the best thing that could happen is they can find closure on this. I, I do believe there is an investigation going on finally. I think that I heard that would be good. That’s good. Yes. And I don’t know, I haven’t, you know, I’ve not called Colleyville police department to verify. So this isn’t the channel for news guys, this is just the channel for. For learning about your. Your experience at daystar, which, you know, according to you, has been wonderful. And even I. I will say that, you know, there were times that I was scared.

There was time I’ve been in the position where I’m called into the office and I wish I had a recording device kind of a deal. You know, I had Shannon Kelly, who’s. I used to love Shanka. He’s a nice guy. I think he’s the guy that did the whole thing, or he was the guy who was teaching him how to shoot the gun or something. Shannon, I haven’t seen these guys in a long time. I’m surprised he’s had a security, but he was. He was always such a great guy. Shannon. I dug him. But I remember Shannon being there when I had to talk to.

To Joni before I ended up sailing off into the sunset to sell mattresses and grow a YouTube channel. Isn’t it amazing what God can do? It really. It really is. And then here I am, full circle, coming, you know, to a point where you’re not going to hear, you know, my colleagues who’ve had issues, common. It’s just that I’m grateful that God placed me there. I’m grateful for these people. Well, I also think you’re more of a positive person. I like to think the best. You’re not bitter. I’m the same way. I’m not a bitter person.

Like, nothing. I won’t let Satan have that kind of power over me ever again. And so to me, it’s always better to just really and truly hope to God that they can turn it around. And if they just walk towards God, they can fix at least the most important thing after their relationship with God, and that is their family. These. I’m telling you, these Royce and the crew, they should have never. They should have said, look, we got enough evidence. We don’t need to bring your child into it. I think they were taken advantage of. I think they were exploited.

Yeah. But we have talk about a den of vipers. Dallas, have you seen how many pastors are being, you know, taken out, arrested, stepping down? Unbelievable. Amazing. It’s a beautiful thing. And so when you keep that in mind and that this is some sort of hub for that, there’s. It’s an unbelievable and unhealthy amount of it. Right? So you have to take these things seriously. And if Joni does have the heart that you’re saying she does, she needs to say, guess what? Everybody’s out we’re all gonna go get the best of the best to figure this out and we’re gonna go back to God, all of us, whatever that takes.

And, and our family is going to be the, the number one thing. She’s got enough money to survive for the rest of her life. She should not what happens today Star. Right. She should not care because she does. She’s not giving a good example around the, around the world. Well listen, once again. You know you talk about spiritual abuse. Marcus was the head of that family. Right. So. So I think and you know my hope and yeah I am positive my hope and is that they’re all going to learn from this. My hope is that I mean if Jonathan.

Honestly, isn’t that what we all just want? Just. You know. But it’s hard though when you get a lot of right know why you’re sorry. Know what you did talk about how it’s not going to happen again. Yeah. And then, and then get out there and, and, and do things for the Lord. But I don’t think you belong leading anymore. Right. Well I mean tell that to David. You know tell that to name most held Solomon. You mean people. You know, tell it to Jonah. He didn’t even want to listen. You know you. If God places somebody where they’re supposed to be, they’re going to be there and or they’re not.

You know, I forget about her new. I think we’re coming into a new era and people are learning to discern through all of the things that have happened in the last five years. And I think the church is being the first to be exposed. I think the people are learning that there is a fruit and that insurance things shouldn’t be attached. Of course not. Profit shouldn’t be attached to non profit the Vatican. I mean you want to talk about, you know what it would talk about. You want to talk about covering up abuse. That’s obvious. And I, I agree with that.

100 what I’m saying is it’s a new day and I think this is grassroots led and in some cases it could be. It could be people with nefarious reasons. God uses it for good because he’s teaching people how to know what the fruit of the spirit is. Yeah. And the fruit of the spirit is not a man that cheats on his wife under, under her nose for seven freaking years. Yeah, I know. To the point. And then what happened to that woman. Yeah, yeah. No, I, I get it. Listen, once again, once again I’m not arguing that.

Right. This is literally about this One thing, and this one family that I knew and the opportunity that’s there, if they can get beyond this, because I think that Jonathan and Susie feel like that’s it, you know, there’s no coming back home for that. I, I’ve had fractures in my family that were brutal. Things that were. I’ll never even share publicly because out of respect for my, my mom, My mom had me when she was 19. I was single. Father was a poor, poor kid. Didn’t have. Didn’t have a dad growing up. And then I became a single full time dad with these two children.

One of them’s in harm’s way, you know, and you don’t know what you’re going to do. So you put your faith in God and you, and it all works out. It does. But I’ve been in fractures where you think that, you know, there’s no coming back. But it takes really just one person to say, okay, let’s let the truth come out and let’s forgive each other and let’s give each other the benefit of the doubt, you know, like, we all did the best that we could. I can understand why Joni would act the way they did.

I can understand why Jonathan. I completely understand all of them act the way that they both did wrong. I want to be very clear. I think what they, what they did, both of it, it’s, you know, I think, I think Joni knew that the ship was sinking with her son. I think she was desperate and I think that maybe she resorted to some tactics and they tried to like, you know, bully, but not knowing that the whole time they were being, you know, they were being one up, that they were being recorded the whole time. Right.

Which, like, if you want to expose an organization, which they did try to prevent. So of course, let’s do this because I, I know that you are on a time schedule. Oh, sure. Yeah. No, I’m loving this. This is good. Okay, so what I would like to hear before we close is I’m going to name a name and you’re going to say, this is the advice specifically I have for them. But it has to be in love. You have to say it. Sure. In love. It’s the only way I got it. I know, but I just was.

I just was saying. All right, I’m ready. Extra love on top. Okay, so let’s start with the one that you have the red flag on. Susie. When you get something in your mind and you think it is something horrible, you know, you gotta, you gotta own that. You gotta do everything that you can. Clearly, in this position, Susie, you were. I mean, tossed around. It seemed like you really. You’re young and seemed like you really, really love Joni and you really, really wanted to serve the Lord and really wanted to do the right thing. I think that, you know, fear and a lot of manipulation kind of surrounded this whole event.

And I think that you need to know that you really. If you really believed it, you’re justified in what you did. You know, forget about what I said. You shouldn’t have done this. You shouldn’t. You. You probably did what you thought was the best. Okay, I’m willing to believe that you could only do. Here’s the best part, Susie. You could only do what the Lord allows you to do. So that means that it was God ordained that this comes out the way it did. Right? And it will be used for good. Right? The good that could come out of this is if there’s any part of you that thinks that maybe he didn’t do that, if there’s a little room for maybe he didn’t do that, maybe what you can do is say, hey, can we forgive each other? Can we start fresh and make sure that that guy’s never around your child again? I mean, you know, you could still.

You can have a relationship, even if you don’t believe that really he did it. It’s clearly. You seem to. But even if there’s, like, room for doubt still, you don’t have to ever have them around again. But you can have a relationship with Joni again. Jonathan, this is your. This is your. This is. You know, Marcus and your mom built this for you, right? You don’t think that Joni wants you. Your mom wants you to come. Your mom wants you to come back. I really hope that she was babysitting. I hope that you had enough trust to allow her to.

To babysit. I haven’t been around in a long time. I do know how wonderful Jonathan is. I do know how wonderful Joanie can be. I don’t know, Susie. And. And I feel bad because a lot of people, very few people on the other side, but the people that are on the other side, like myself, are making it out like she’s, you know, manipulating Jonathan and everything else. And that could. That may not be the case. When you’re scared, you know, you make mistakes. Now, Susie, if you are making up stories and you really don’t believe this, own it.

Say, you know what? I thought the worst. I’m sorry it got this far. Own it. Because repentance is just admitting when you, when you’re wrong and then letting it go. Clearly it would be better to have your family together again, you know? Yeah. So let me do Susie. Sure. Susie, I know that this has rocked your world. I believe that you care deeply. If I’m wrong, then you are a horrible person. But I think I’m right. And what I would say is take at least six months to focus just on your family. Stop talking to. Stop talking to reporters.

Stop talking. Just focus on your family. Heal. Sit quiet with the Lord. You are the matriarch of your tiny little new family, and it is a beautiful family. And God is. Wants your family to heal. Help your family heal. Give it everything you’ve got. All right, so. And then, Jonathan, that was really good, by the way. Thank you. It was really good. Thank you. And Jonathan, I think that you seem to be a very kind person. I co. Sign completely on you taping them. I think that it was necessary in order to prove the invisible, but I do think that you need to have some more.

So you need to get better at using your voice as a man. Right. And, and that way you don’t have to use manipulation. Because a lot of times when people have been abused or things have happened, they, they do things in different ways because they don’t know how to just be direct. They. And he’s got the power and he, he absolutely should use it. And again, if he’s guilty of anything, you know, and I would say to protect your, your little girl, I know Madison Marquette is very upset that they put pictures of their daughter out online.

And I do agree with her. I think that, I think at this point in time, it’s a good time to pull back for a little bit. Let your family cloister, get safe in the little cocoon of just your family and, and let your daughter have space without, you know, being public. And this is just my opinion. I, I, you know, this is just my advice. If I, if I was doing it. So now do new do Joanie, what advice would you give to Joni? Oh, can I do Jonathan, too? Oh, I thought you did, Jonathan. No, no, I did.

Just. I think you kind of did. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, Jonathan, I guess where you said Carmen was so great. I mean, you should be. Listen, as a father, this is the worst thing that you can do for your young child to continue to bring this up and, and to continue to re litigate it. I, I believe that you’re doing the best that you can. And I think that maybe if you take Carmen’s advice, you focus on your family. Like that really should be, you know, what’s going on. You know, this is now going on for months, and it’s like every day it’s the same thing.

And I’m hearing the same thing. And. And that’s the reason why I wanted to talk to you about it, because it’s. It’s almost like I want to see this family grow. Like they’re not going to be whole and healed until they can put this behind them. It is already behind them. They need to come to terms with it. They don’t have any literal proof. They have an idea. So you got to pray about it, Jonathan. You got to really ask it to search your heart. Did you know? Do you really think something like that happened? Was there literal evidence of it? And if you think to yourself, well, maybe we went a little overboard because we love our child, maybe we listened to the wrong people and we went public, and we really should have kind of held that back.

It’s okay. You did the best you could. Right? But now, you know, maybe you shouldn’t be leaving them home and going to speak at conventions and everything else. Maybe now you focus on how do we get this family right again. Right? Because you don’t want your daughter to grow up having these issues where she’s not going to want to date boys or she’s going to have an issue around men. And she’s, you know, I mean, she’s. It’s not good to reinforce this behavior if. When they’re young. That’s. That’s what I was told, and I went through it.

And I can tell you, my daughter, who’s 21, is in a really healthy relationship with a great guy. She’s in one of the top universities for medicine. I’m not telling anybody, so no one doxes me. And all honors, scholarships, beautiful, smart, funny. She lived her life not having to carry that. Like she. She knows something happened, she doesn’t know what. Right. And if we put her through it and we brought her through, because a court case could take forever to prove. And then, you know, what you have is I went through getting custody of my children, and we had a forensic evaluator.

Evaluator. And I always told my children, I said, always tell them the truth. You know, don’t, you know, always just say the truth, whatever the truth is. If he asks you a question, say the truth. If they ask you this happened, you tell him what really happened. This is what I told Noah when he was young. This is what I told Charles I was like two or three at the time. And that really meant a lot because there are a lot of parents that will coach children to say certain things, and you certainly don’t want to allow that to happen.

I’m not saying it’s happening. Right. Right. Try to get your family together. Try to protect your child, and try to call your mom and say, where. Where can we go from here? Is there some way maybe that we can. Because, I mean, this is your legacy, too. Is there some way maybe we can come back in and we can, you know, rebuild? And both of you, Joni, Susie, Jonathan, if that’s the case, and you can make sure that you’re compartmentalizing the other group, make sure that they’re never around or whatever else until whatever you need to do in private is established.

But at least you can work. You can work on your relationship with your mom. You can. Except that she is married now, and you may have your ideas on what’s a biblical marriage or not, but maybe you need to support your mom. I mean, look at Doug. He doesn’t look good. He looks like he’s putting on weight. I mean, I could tell the stress of everything’s, you know, crushing them all. It’s like sometimes you got to forgive people. They didn’t treat you right, Jonathan. Right. I heard the way they were talking to you. It was wrong.

It was insulting, and that’s now public. Okay? But guess what? We all do things that we make mistakes of. Consider that, you know, maybe your mom wasn’t in the most best place in her head. Maybe she was really concerned that this was going to blow up and become what it’s become. I think she’s going to forgive you. I have no doubt that she would forgive you. Because you know what? I think she feels bad. I really do. I feel like Joni feels bad. I just got that vibe from just the short answers I got when I emailed her that time.

It wasn’t about, like, oh, you know, the truth is going to come out. It was like, please, please pray for my family. We really need it. You know, And. And I know through Lane, who I. I reached out to and finally got back to me after years, if not, you know, because I was kind of like chopped liver to them after all the stuff went down with the last time around. But we got to forgive. We got to move on, you know? I know. Well, you don’t have to forgive unless. Well, I mean, that’s right. You don’t have to.

Honest and true within you. It’s. It’s very difficult to do so. But it. It serves each person to forgive. Sure. But also, you can’t really forgive somebody that’s not sorry. Right. Let’s go to Joni. Let’s go to Joni. I would say I feel like she is sorry. I feel like she does feel bad. Bad. I. I would say from the videos I’ve watched since, I see more remorse and sorrow coming out of there than I do in the other camp, if I’m being honest. I feel like there’s a lot of anger and a lot of resentment and a lot of attacks.

I don’t feel like anybody’s feeling bad for. This is, you know, the ground. Have you ever seen a narcissist work? Sure. They seem like the nice ones. Yeah. I definitely don’t think she looks like the nice one. Yeah. I feel like she realizes. I thought that’s what you were saying. No, no, no. I feel like Susie and. And Jonathan. I feel like Susie is on top of her game. I feel like she’s getting control. I think, you know, she’s strong. She’s got a. A big support system. Support system. Most of them have blocked me because I’ve asked questions.

Right. Instead of, like, talking about it. Well, that’s why I wanted to have this conversation. I think that a lot of people need to mature to where they can disagree with an adult and not hate them. And so that’s why I was kind of excited about this. I would say to Joni, it all stops with you, and I’m sorry your husband died, but that means it’s you, not you and him anymore. And I think that you brought not just a man into the family, but you brought him into the seat where their father used to be.

And that would be the first thing that, if I’m working with her, I would say, joni, you need to get Doug off the camera. He’s not looking that good anyway. Like. Like you said, he looks sick. And. And. But. But I don’t want to beat up on Doug either. I’m not a fan. But. But they’ve already married. What are you going to do? Divorce. And I don’t know how you fix it. Right, right. But what I would tell Joni to do is to make her family the most important thing after God. Same thing I said to Susie.

But here’s the caveat. She is the leader of the family. She has to take the masculine role. Yeah. Of doing the hard things. And that hard thing means Doug’s not in this. That just made it a hundred times Worse, right. If I’m. If I’m his kid and I’ve been. Or I’m her kid and I’ve been with her forever. And this guy comes in. It’s bad enough that this. None of us wanted to be a part of it. Trauma. But then you’re gonna put him in the safe seat. Yeah. And then the person’s going, well, if she’ll put him in the seat, well, what if he gets it and I, I don’t.

And it was my dad’s inheritance. To me, it’s like if somebody is worth a hundred million, I got you, I get it. And when they die, the. The money goes to the mother. But then if the mother marries a snake, and I’m not saying he’s a snake, I’m saying if a woman marries a snake, that guy will do everything he can to get that hundred million. And those kids who’ve been there from the beginning, right, with the dad’s intention was to get it to them. It happens all the time. I work in the financial world. And so when you have that kind of really big stakes, you have to be the man.

You have to be the one that the buck stops with. Joni, not Doug. And he needs to be out until her little unit figures their stuff out. Well, you know what’s funny? You know what’s funny is that we’re all talking about the marriage. We’re not talking about the, the child here. Because really, you’re right. This was. The big issue, was the marriage. It seems secondary to me. And that’s another reason why I was like questioned. I questioned it. But here I can understand almost why Joni did what she did. And I can, I can almost understand why she, she would put Doug there so quickly.

And I also think Joanie’s smart enough to make sure that agreements are written before they get married and everything else where, I mean, you know, they, I guess they assured them that this isn’t going to happen. They assured them. But I mean, you know, you still, you still worry, you still think the worst, you know, and, and then if, you know, you’re getting write ups and you’re getting this, that, and the other thing, it’s. It becomes a lot more awkward. But I can understand why she would do something like that. Because for years she had Marcus with her and it’s like losing a limb, you know? I understand.

That’s why I said she has to get her masculine. She has to. She has to. Right? She needs to buck up. She’s the one that needs to get the. Also. But to be frank, though, and also in tv, if I’m watching daystar, I don’t want to watch Joni and Jonathan. I want to watch Joni and her husband. I mean, that’s the truth. So for a television. I don’t want to watch daystar at all. Well, I don’t. That’s another thing. I’d rather watch your show, Jacob. I appreciate that. I appreciate it. I don’t really watch much TV anyway.

I’m always working. But I’m saying that if. If I was to be the writer and the producer of the show, because husbands and wives, especially newlyweds, that could. A lot of people can glean from that. You see the. On air, back and forth. You learn from it a lot. Most people are married. They can discuss their. Their lives. It’s. It’s a talk show. It’s a. It’s a morning talk show. No one really wants to see mommy and. And her son, you know, when they’re watching. I think people love. Well, I think it’s great to have the kids.

Relationships in. In podcasts and shows. I. I had a show with my daughter. People loved it. Well, yeah, that. I understand that. I’m talking. I’m talking, though. This is like the daystar celebration show that was headed by a husband and a wife. Right. You know, and now that’s not the case. And so I can understand why she would want that back. Yeah. The other advice I would have for Joni is that she’s in a dinosaur situation. She either has to become the fruit, literally the fruit of the spirit. She needs to get that checklist out and she needs to embody that because people aren’t tolerating this stuff anymore.

Policing old ladies for money. I’m sorry, giving your money. I mean, having the telethons, all of that, It. It is. Well, I mean, Jonathan and Susie put out a GoFundMe. From what I understand, they took it down immediately, and then somebody else put one up. But what I’m saying is, is that you have to. The ox is worthy of attire. Right. I don’t make that much money on YouTube, but it sustains me. So. So you’re not hearing what I’m saying. It’s a new era, right. And the grassroots people are waking up. They’re. Even if she were to keep going, it’s dwindling.

Oh, for sure. You need to kind of people that are going to be sending them money that’s going away. Yeah, for sure. And so, you know, to me, it’s going to Be God’s medicine all around for everyone. You know what? I would. You know what? The faster they embrace their medicine, whoever’s medicine it is, they all have different medicine that they’re getting, the faster they can become contrite. Right. And just fess up. I mean, that’s literally. I don’t understand why guilty people don’t just fess up. Because all of us are like, oh, phew. That’s what we needed.

We just needed reality. Yeah. You know, I don’t want to fake world. Everything’s fine. Everything’s fine. When it’s not. It’s not fine. That Christian channel stuff, it’s dark. All of them, tbn, all of them, they’re. They’re not gonna be. People aren’t really. They’re not going to be watching it as much anyway because most people are online, so they’re watching through YouTube or they’re watching, you know, on whatever platform that they’re watching on. You don’t really need to go to cable much anymore, you know, but there are a lot of people that still do. And so, like, when a lot of people are pulling their stuff, they’re like, why are we spending the money? When we’re getting this many views on why are we, why are we spending the money? Who watches TV anymore? So that’s why I, that’s where I see daystar.

Like, they need to pivot into becoming a television production company. Like when I was there, I created a cartoon with Lane and Justin. I wrote it and created the whole thing. And then they executive produced it and we had. It’s called Captain Macaroni. And it was awesome. And Macaroni. And I gotta tell you something, Captain Macaroni came out before, like Jake and the Neverland Pirates or something came out. It was a sea adventure. And my point is, is that they should be a TV studio. They should be cranking out television shows, you know, because they have the, they have the, they have the finances and everything else to do that.

Because what’s going to happen is stations are going to go by the away side. Especially when you have everybody on your phone. You don’t need a station. And especially, like I’m saying, I’m telling people, standards are higher. They aren’t going to work for a place that’s not. That wants them to sign an NDA. People are not going to, to put up with a guy who works for a church but is cheating on his wife. No, I know. It’s horrible. Horrible. And so it, I, I look forward to it ending and here’s the thing is she can’t fix it the way she’s doing it.

So it has to fall and no one else can take it because she owns it. I think Jonathan and Susie are the only ones that can really make this whole thing right. I think that they’re the only ones. I think they hold the keys to it because I think Joanie would be open once again. I don’t know Joanie, that, that. Well, this is just from like an intuition and maybe just being the hopeful person that I am. I. I don’t know. There are a lot of villains on all sides, I guess, but really they’re all victims of their own.

Hey, we’re literally all here in God’s little playground. God’s greener. And we’re all here and we’re either walking away from the light or walking towards it. And I highly suggest everyone walks towards it. And I really want to encourage everyone listening be stop accepting leadership that compromises. Sure, yeah. Don’t. That’s my last word. Thank you so much for coming. No, listen, it means, it means a lot to me. I’m glad I came on. You know, I encourage some of these, you know, watchdog groups and I do feel like they’re very, very heavy handed and, and I think that they also don’t leave the opportunity that there could be other things.

Like the devil could be messing with this family for a reason, you know, sent to sift you like wheat Pete. I mean that’s, I mean, think about this. It’s just strange that that’s even the name. But I’ve encouraged them. I said, you know, I never see you, I don’t know, sharing anything that’s uplifting. I always see you pointing out this guy is evil and this girl is evil. I don’t see any ministry. But you say you’re in the ministry, so I see like a lot of people there. Who are you talking about? I’m just talking about a lot of YouTubers that cover this.

I’ve been pretty happy with how the coverage of it. I think that, you know, once we finally get to the bottom of it, a lot of people might be surprised. Well, I think so. I think more than you think. Yeah. And maybe we’ll come back and it’ll either be, oh, Jacob was right, Carmen was right. She. He was right about this, he was right about that. You know what? I think that. I think that God’s gonna be right. You know, it’s, it’s. Yeah, it’s all. I like to leave the. I like to leave the room open for the possibility that someone isn’t covering up their granddaughters.

I like to leave, like, just the door. And then, you know, then when I start to look at everything else, I start to think, well, maybe, maybe they’re being, you know, manipulated, twisted. Maybe they’re being encouraged to come without. You know, maybe they were told that we need people to know about your daughter when they really had so much already. Like, I believe they would have had better, like New York Times and big, well, fake news. Whatever you want to call depends on who’s listening. Right. I think that more organizations would have picked it up if they left that out, because it just.

The story from all of it. And if you look at the evidence, it just doesn’t seem consistent. But you could be right. This could be. They were so manipulated and everything else, they just didn’t do things right. They didn’t know any better. I don’t know. I don’t know. I hate. I, I grew up with a lot of rich kids and, and their parents aren’t as on the spot as they think they are. No, I know. I agree. I also worked at a Rolls Royce dealership, and, you know, you just see that when somebody has money, what other.

Whatever eccentricities they have, they get amplified. True. Because they’ve got more energy towards it, more momentum towards it. And it just, you know, the weird gets weirder and the good gets really good. You know, they, like, they gave you $3,000, you know, but, and so there. When you have so much, it sometimes is a curse. It really is. And, and I’ve talked to so many therapists that say that it’s harder to work with a billionaire’s kid than it is a kid from the ghetto. Well, I wouldn’t doubt it. Yeah, I mean, I wouldn’t doubt it. I’m not saying they’re billionaires, but you know what? I’ve, I’ve, like I said before, I’ve worked for many powerful people.

I’ve worked for, you know, Vince McMahon. I’ve worked for, you know, Cedric Kushner. I’ve worked for, for them. I, I, and you’re right, you know, they, they do present an air that is, I’m above you, you know, I need an armor bearer, stuff like that. But on the flip side of the coin, well, it just makes. That’s why humility is so important. And that’s why it’s really important to be able to say I’m sorry. And it’s really important for you and I to disagree, but agree and and, you know, like, if we don’t have these conversations, then more people can be hurt.

And that’s what I care about. Right. I don’t want more people being fleeced. I don’t want more people learning from people who don’t even have their own stuff together. Right. That’s the truth. Yeah. You know, and then the question remains, can we even learn from a donkey, though? Can learn from it? Can God use a donkey? Can God use a dunk? Mosquitoes can teach us lessons. I’ll listen sometimes, you know, I, I listen to, you know, I listen to big time preachers sometimes. And I can get, you know, God can inspire me through anybody. No one’s perfect.

You know, Paul, Paul prayed three times. Get, I want this gone. I want this thorn gone, gone, gone, gone. And he’s like, my grace is sufficient. But he used Paul, you know, sinner who was more worried about the cares of the world. Deceitfulness of riches. That’s what thorn is. Here’s the thing is the, the new era we’re in, we need more, we need more grace for ourselves. Yeah, that’s true. We need more, more discernment on others because I think a lot of very good people are being crushed by the machine and so they need to just stay in their Bibles.

It seems like daystar is being crushed. It doesn’t, you know what I mean? Like the power of the Internet, once things live on there. Yeah. Like, like you said, you see it falling. It doesn’t. I actually see there’s no way out unless she were to sell it. Jonathan and Susie, I don’t even see that working. You know, they’ve got a huge mess. And you know, it’s interesting because at first I was all in on Susie and Jonathan, but when I started seeing her posting her daughter, I, I, it rubbed me wrong. Only because of Madison. I wouldn’t have thought of it, but because I know people that have been through that and they say they don’t, they don’t want that.

Like the worst thing in the world to do. Right. And here’s the thing. Susie doesn’t know that. Maybe. And so now, now she does. We’ve said something publicly. Maybe now she’ll consider, you know, pulling it out, you know, stop putting those pictures up or, you know, take them down or whatever. But I do think that we’re in such a time that is exciting. And I believe there’s, it’s going to move faster and faster like it has been. I’ve never seen the news like it is. Like every Two seconds or something out. I mean, I think right now the Epstein files are supposed to drop while we were on here, right? Wouldn’t that be cool? This is something that I, I, I think that the truth needs to come out.

You know, the, the whip, the scene where he brings in and he turns over the temple, the, all the money changers, that’s the, that’s the, the big thing with the chosen this year. I don’t even watch the Chosen, but I had this vibe that the whip was coming, right? The whip is coming. The whip is coming. And I put this out, and then I saw the chosen. That’s how it’s starting. He goes into the temple, he said, you turned it into a marketplace. And then the thing with Daystar happens, I’m like, oh, shoot, the whip. The whip is here.

I want to see people, you know, come back from it. I want to see, you know, the whip was particularly because of hypocrites. Well, yeah, of course. And that’s what daystar, I mean, literally, all those people, six, they all were programmers, and they’re all rolling in it, and they’re taking their jets everywhere. And there’s homeless people, there’s hungry people, there’s people getting out of jail that don’t have cars. There’s single mothers, there’s, there’s just everybody trying their best to get groceries. Like, come on, we. You can’t say you’re working for God and live like that. You just can’t.

Well, I mean, but they do. They all. And that’s why it’s going down to be allowed anymore. Look at the guy who’s in charge of, of doge. He, you know, our government gave him tax money, like $20 billion. Oh, my gosh. Started on him. But my point is, is that it’s like, it’s everywhere. It’s everywhere. It’s not just, just in the church. I noticed that that was the case. You know, I do know, working from them, that they believe that they’re doing God’s work. They believe that. You know, I mean, I would do things differently. Look, my wife has a nicer car than me.

I don’t think I need to have a nice car. She’s like, I’m, you know, I’m 50 years old. I’ve never had a nice car. I want to have a nice. And we got a nice car. I said, oh, the Lord will provide that. It was amazing. But I got a Kia. I got the cheapest car. You know what I mean? So what I’m saying is, is that you know, just because people do things differently, let’s hope that they care. I think right now they have an opportunity to revamp and really rededicate themselves to the Lord. And I.

And I hope that they take it on all sides. I hope Jonathan and Susie and Joni and the whole crew. And I hope something good comes out of it. And I believe that God can have something good come out of it. I don’t know. The light needs to be separated from the dark, and it’s very tangled, and he would need a very particular type of strategy to do that. But the most important thing is for Joni to get a hold of that family. She doesn’t have the reins on it at all. I hope. I hope they.

I hope. I hope that maybe they watch the show and maybe they think, you know, maybe we can make our family whole again. Now, look, if she babysat, though, then that gives me. I’m not like, forget about them. They’re jerks. I’m thinking that’s great. That’s probably. If it’s true. I don’t know. It’s alleged. It may not be. It may not be, but that’s progress. If that’s the case, you know, let’s say that that’s progress, that they’re trying to make it and work it out. Right. Listen, they’re examples of. Of the Lord, too. You know, they need to act like Christ would act, too.

And if we’re supposed to forgive even our enemies, then we need to forgive our mom. Matriarch Buck stops there. I agree with you. Yeah. For you, with the money, you got to take care of your girl, you know, and I’m glad you are like that. I think that’s one. I love my family. And so tell me this, how do people find you? Oh, YouTube. Jacob Israel. Go to YouTube. Don’t go to Google. Google or anything else. For whatever reason, it’s very difficult to find me anywhere else. But if you go to YouTube and you type in Jacob Israel, I don’t know if you could put, like, a YouTube link.

I already did. I have in the description box. I put your YouTube. I put your Twitter. I refuse to call it X. I put. Oh, I put a link to your book, too. Oh, yeah, yeah. My novel, the Calling. Yeah. You know, I don’t know, though. I could be completely wrong. And I’ve been praying a lot about this. I’ve kept quiet on the daystar thing for a while because, I mean, I’m telling you, they’re ravenous. What they do is then they attack Me. And they’ll say that I’m a guy who’s covering for an essay cover or whatever.

And I’m going, no, I’m not. I’m just asking questions that I’m saying, let’s not, like, say that people are the worst possible people on the planet if you don’t know for sure yet. All right, let me tell you this. If I’m in a family and somebody accuses me of that, oh, my God, it’d be horrible. I pull myself back, I do anything they ask me to do, like take lie detectors. I. I go talk to forensic people. I do whatever. Whatever they. They want me to do to make it right. Yes, I do. And. And I.

I sure as heck don’t push anything. You know, I don’t know if I would have taken a lie detector, to be honest. I. I think lie detectors are setups. I. I don’t trust them. I don’t trust them. That’s the reason. So I’m surprised. You know, it’s a. It’s. They definitely aren’t. And let’s hope nothing happened. Let’s hope this is a big misunderstanding. And let’s hope that, like my suspicion, they got a little taken advantage of by these, you know, this watchdog organization. I’m not gonna even named, you know, her or whatever. I feel like she took advantage and.

But I could be wrong. So that’s where your big red flag is. Well, that, that was the. Like I said, here’s. This goes back to Joni, too. None of this would have happened had Joni handled all this correctly from the beginning. Right? Not bringing Jimmy Evans, not bully. With the whole thing with the, you know, horrifying. Just like, oh, you have a problem. Advisors, if you have a problem. Jonathan, if you have a problem signing this NDA, okay, you don’t need to sign it. What can we do to work this out? That’s what she. That’s what I would do as a parent.

And I would never give my kid an NDA, but I understand there’s three people on the board and you surprise them with a brand new person on the board. Strange. I mean, there’s so many. Honestly, I. I wasn’t, like, prepared to have that kind of conversation. I could. Could list through them and I’d just be like, okay, Joni, here’s. I think she was out of her depth. 30 things that you need to say you’re sorry for. And then, you know, Jonathan, here’s yours and here’s Susie’s, and. And then now all of you Go figure out why you put yourself in this situation.

Because mistakes, there’s reasons they. They needed to learn these lessons. And. And if they don’t learn them, guess what God does? He does it again, only worse. Worse. This is going to die down. Like I had at one point. I had hoped, because it was just fresh and everything else, I had hoped that maybe they could work things, get it figured out, but now they’ve, like, doubled down and everything else. And then, I mean, to bring that guy in. But, you know, it really is serving. It is. It is serving people. It’s kind of like, you know, when a pastor gets caught cheating and it’s devastating to the church, but then it also makes everyone reevaluate their marriages, and it makes everybody.

And so he loses something on the altar. He loses being a pastor. But. But the whole congregation realizes, you know, no matter how devout you are, you have to watch your sin, you have to watch your temptations, and you have to be aware of the schemes of the devil. And if you’re not, then you don’t have your armor on. And so they all got. They all got caught with their armor off. Yeah. It’s a shame. The whole thing’s a shame. But listen, I’m glad that there are people like you. I give you credit for having me on because you knew.

You knew where I stood on the issue, right? And it’s. It’s not like I’m not, once again, I’m not like Joni Lamb’s, you know, cheering squad. I had my moments. They fired and ultimately I’m all of their cheering squad. I don’t want anyone to go to hell. Yeah, that’s true. I. I’ve gone so far that she has a reprobate heart. Then like, my God, I feel so sorry for it. I hope that. I hope good things come out of it. I believe maybe they will. Who knows? Maybe they. Maybe they all watch this and they all got a check in their spirit.

Everyone’s still young and beautiful and rich, so they might as well go enjoy themselves healthy in relationships. And they have money. Those are the three reasons people come to me like they got something wrong there. So life is good. Listen, take care of your family. Thank you. Thank you. And everybody out there, raise your standards, man. Make these leaders earn it. Yes. And you be a leader and earn it, too. Yes. Read your Bible right away. Hurry. Bye, bye. Bye, now.
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