Summary
➡ The text discusses the idea that our environment shapes us, using the example of a giraffe needing to adapt to reach high food. It also questions traditional theories of evolution and creationism, suggesting that both could be true. The text explores the idea that different types of humans could have been created, and that our current form may have been the most successful. Finally, it discusses the Bible, suggesting that it contains hidden layers of meaning that can be interpreted in different ways.
➡ This text talks about how personal experiences, like love or psychedelic trips, can’t be fully explained to others – they have to be experienced. It also discusses how everyone has different perspectives on reality, like touching different parts of an elephant in a dark room. The text suggests that we should be open-minded and learn from all beliefs, and it questions if religions are meant to be understood in stages. Lastly, it discusses the possibility of extraterrestrial life and how it might challenge our beliefs.
➡ The speaker discusses their journey of exploring different spiritual and philosophical ideas, even those considered taboo or controversial. They mention their skepticism and desire for repeatable results in faith and spirituality. They also talk about the importance of being open-minded and not fearing new knowledge, even when it challenges established beliefs. Lastly, they touch on the idea of a new religion emerging from experiences with UFOs and abductions, suggesting that these could be seen as divine encounters.
➡ The text discusses various theories and beliefs about extraterrestrials, UFOs, and related religions. It suggests that some people believe in the existence of good and bad aliens, and that these beings have interacted with humans throughout history. The text also explores the idea that governments may spread fear about aliens to control public perception. Lastly, it touches on the possibility that bizarre or unbelievable stories might be true, even if they’re initially dismissed due to their strangeness.
➡ The text discusses various theories about alien abductions, suggesting that some people believe these experiences might be implanted memories or a way for the brain to cope with trauma. It also explores the idea of interdimensional beings, like the Mothman, who might not be harmful but scared. The text further delves into the concept of collective consciousness and the possibility of advanced ancient technology being rediscovered. Lastly, it talks about virtual reality and how it allows people to live out their fantasies, and ends with a humorous discussion about a conspiracy theory related to chemicals turning frogs gay.
➡ The speaker discusses various topics, including the idea that chemicals might be influencing people’s sexual orientation and the decision not to have children. They also talk about the concept of overpopulation, suggesting it’s more about imbalance than too many people. They mention a book called “Morning of the Magicians” and its connection to alchemy and secret military research. The speaker also shares their busy podcasting schedule and the need to balance work and personal life.
➡ The speaker shares his experiences of hunting and exploring in the Florida swamps, including a time when he and a friend were hunting wild hogs at night and felt like they were being watched by an unknown creature. He also discusses the possibility of mythical creatures like the skunk ape existing, suggesting that they might be a product of our imagination taking form in isolated places. The speaker also mentions a strange encounter captured on a trail camera of a man wandering the swamp barefoot and shirtless. He concludes by discussing the idea that some creatures might remain undiscovered because they are beyond our current understanding or ability to perceive.
➡ People used to think gorillas were just a myth created by Africans until scientists went to the rainforest and confirmed their existence. This was due to cultural prejudices. The first known interaction with a mountain gorilla was by a German officer, Captain Robert von Bering, in 1902. Before this, only lowland gorillas were known to exist.
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And you’re more familiar with this book than I. But I found it at the used bookstore last week, and it was synchronistic because on the first two pages, when the author is talking about his beloved father, he mentions that his father had a copy of Flamarion. Camille Flamarion’s book called world before the creation of man. And I’m like, what the heck? Because we were just talking about Camille Flamarion in one of our Falconelli episodes.
And yeah, here it is coming up again. Of course, it’s in, you know, not easy to find, but I typed in the name of the title of the book in French. And what’s weird is that a PDF comes up, but it’s a PDF in English called the magic lamp or something like that. So it’s a completely different book. It’s not the creation of the world or the world before the creation of man, which sounds like a crazy title, apparently has something to do with genealogy, darwinism and paleontology.
That’s at least what written by Plumerion. Yeah, that’s how Google books classifies it. And when you look up the title under images, you get an image of the title page, which is a dinosaur. It features like an 18th or a 19th century kind of dinosaur drawing. What they thought of when they first discovered dinosaurs. Kind of like scaly bears almost. So I did an episode with a very controversial figure the other day.
There it is. Creation. I’m sorry. So I have a lot of french listeners, so shout out to them. I did an episode with Kent Hoven, which is a very controversial figure. And he’s all about dinosaurs in the Bible and 6000. So he’s a creationist from the Genesis point of view. And he says that dinosaurs were real because I know that’s. So I’m on the fence. Is he a literal creationist? He takes the Bible for.
Okay, and here’s the thing, because let’s say that there is an agenda to push everyone away from Christianity or God or whatever, destroying dinosaurs. Because people, the word dinosaur wasn’t in existence until 18. Da da da. Yeah, the word dinosaur. But what they call them back then, worms, wyrims, dragons, serpents, it could have had a whole different other name. Just because the word didn’t exist doesn’t mean that the thing didn’t exist.
Like the dinosaur didn’t exist. And I find that kind of hard to believe that all these fossils can’t be faked. Okay, let me reword that before people go crazy. What do you mean again? I know that can be faked. I’ve been to museums. I know that it’s a replica of what they think it is. Okay? But I believe that there was stuff. I don’t think that the world is 6000 years old.
I think it’s maybe older than that. I don’t know if I’d subscribe to the millions and millions of years that they talk about. But I would say that it’s somewhere a lot of years. I can’t say exactly how many years, but it’s interesting that you brought up the whole dinosaur thing. And here it is right here in the preface, right at the beginning. What does it say here? In spite of my manual dexterity, I did once managed to bind a book.
Oh, he’s talking about how his father is tailor, and he had like a bureau or cabinet with all his tailor stuff in it, plus a ton of notes and books. And he finds that he owns the copy of Flamerion’s the world before the creation of man. And then another book by Walter Rathanau called where is the world going? So these books must have made an impact on the young author who was grappling with the fact that his father was a skilled craftsman and he was just a worthless poet.
Right? Like, this was his inner struggle as an author. He wanted to have the respect of somebody who worked with their hands, as in a craft, and to him, writing was his craft. So this is the preface and not necessarily related to the book. More of how the author got inspired to write the topic, I guess. Yeah. And for those that don’t know, they’re 100% familiar. I’m going to share a picture here of the flamerian engraving, and people will automatically know what we’re talking about, because, again, it’s one of the more shared pictures, I guess, plates when it comes to the truth or community.
There’s this one right here, Flamerion’s engraving, and we did a whole episode on perhaps Camille Flumerion could have been Folkonelli in some sort of weird way. They write that in the other book, Folkonelli’s identity revealed. I did order the french book. I haven’t gotten it. It’s coming directly from France. And once I get it, I’ll probably translate the table of content or do something. Maybe I might translate the whole thing.
And I don’t know. From what I’ve heard, sometimes translations of certain books in other languages show up on the patreon for the patrons on the Juan Patreon. So I don’t know. That’s just a rumor I heard, but might be floating around there. Even if you don’t believe Flamerion is Falconelli, you can’t argue that he created the most popular coloring book image in human history, because I’ve seen that exact engraving colored a million different ways.
Because it wasn’t colored, it was black and white. Right. So now people colorize it, and it always looks different. But it’s interesting that you brought up the Kent gentleman. I forget his last name, Hovind. So he’s a literal creationist. What would he think of this book here by Susan B. Martinez, who talks about how there were many different races of being before the great flood and that the Adam and eve of the Garden of Eden were more like a pair of one of the many human species that they were like, all right, let’s pick this one.
And the rest of them died in the flood. Really? She’s saying. And obviously dying in the flood is kind of. I don’t know if that’s completely like a solid, definitive event where everyone surely died. I think the flood probably changed the population levels for sure. But there are isolated pockets of everything from pygmies to giants throughout known history, right? I mean, not so much giants anymore, but pygmies for sure are still in existence to this day.
So just there is living evidence of different variations of Homo sapien. And although some people will say, oh, no, this is racist or whatever, to say that the pygmy is not a human, they’re not saying pygmies aren’t humans. They’re saying that pygmies evolved into a different delineation of human. Of Homo sapien away from the rest of us. Well, in a sense, they’re more advanced than us because they’ve adapted to their jungle environment where more racist.
Getting canceled, nothing. Right on yourself. And I going into a jungle would be toast after a couple months, if not years, we would have no luck of procreating and surviving. You know what? It’s a. It’s a touchy subject, for sure, but it’s not just in, you know, Southeast Asia, South America, really. Anywhere that there’s rainforests, there are isolated pockets of pygmies. And in the past, too, before the expansion of colonialism and the subsequent corporatism and all the awful corporate polluters and jungle deforesters, obviously that took a bite out of what once was.
But what if it’s the environment that determines the biomorphology? Right? Stress theory, isn’t it? Where depending on what stresses affect the organism, it shapes them to the. I got kids in the background, got my homunculi running loose. But depending on the triggers, it’s what causes changes. So if the giraffe, the food was too high, so it needed to adapt to be able to reach the top leaves or else it was going to die off.
But here’s the thing about darwinism, dude. A lot of these guys were controlled opposition, man. They were part of these organizations that maybe, in my opinion, had some sort of agenda to push. And it’s interesting, right? You have Huxley in there. It’s always Huxley. It always goes back to Huxley for some reason. And here’s the thing, dude, because this is an argument that a lot of people use for evolution.
Like, oh, it’s made to make you feel like nothing, worthless. You came from a, what do they call it? The primordial ooze, like all this sort of stuff. Or, like, even with flat earth, a lot of people say about flat earth, like, well, if you knew that it was actually flat, right, and that it’s not just a space rock in the middle of nowhere, it’s not going to make you feel worthless.
And to me, it makes no difference if I know that. If there’s any more of an. Is it ontological shock? Is that the way you’re supposed to say, let’s look this up on? Well, I think we just have so many attachments around the concept of God that when you start to stray away from the typical archetypes that we associate with God, then, yeah, it feels like that. But what if the creator, that is the all consciousness, what if he designed us to morph out of ooze over millions of years? I’m not arguing against creationism here.
I’m saying it could be instead of and or I don’t know what the phrase is. It could be both instead of one or the other, right? Yeah. So that’s kind of where my mind goes with, at least as it pertains to. Did you have that lady on? Did you have her on yet? No, I’d like to. She lives in Georgia, so, yeah, she’s on the east coast. It’d be a good podcast.
But no, I just wonder, why can’t it be that God created a ton of different types of homo sapiens? Well, some cosmologies say that, bro, like the Yanunaki cosmology. At first it was like this thing, but then I guess that didn’t work out. And then they made the homo sapien. Genesis says that it kind of implies it with the flood. Right? Like, God created these other things before humans that were jealous of humans and they had to be eliminated.
Right. So now we’re finding all this evidence in the form of skeletons and whatnot. Some of it’s been suppressed by the Smithsonian Institute, but, yeah, what if these giants and these pygmies were like, damn, these people, they’re perfect. They have all the right proportions. Look how efficient they are at 6ft high, like us, 12ft high. Humans, we got to spend twice as much money on house material. We got to spend twice as much money on food.
And then the pygmy people, they’re like, we get beat up, bushed around, we can’t do anything. We got to hide in caves, we got to hide in the forest. Like, you six foot people are great because you could at least defend yourself enough to be able to move around in the world. And then giants are like, jeez, you guys are so quick. We fight and then we get tired.
So maybe this version of the biomorphology just won out over the others and that’s what they were trying to convey. It wasn’t like everyone else was evil and we were the only righteous ones. It’s just like God’s plan shaped it in this way to where many evolve into one, right? And then maybe that’s what the whole coming back to God is. When you’ve evolved to the point where you’re a God and then you create your own universe, right? Like the whole universe evolves into one equivalent of what created it.
And then we see on a microscopic level with cells, it literally just. And they become two separate universes, like cell division. I mean, what if it’s like that on a huge, huge level? And we’re just like the little red blood cells and white blood cells here on the earth, like, battling it out, playing our roles? But we’re in this much scope of things. That is the universe. What’s the movie where we’re in the marble? Was that men in black? Where the marble, like, it zooms out at the end and we’re in the marble of some game.
Somebody’s playing marble. I think I’ve seen that before because I picture it. Yeah, the mib marble galaxy. So let me see if I can play this. Yeah, so let me play this real quick so you can see what I’m talking about. So in men in black, it shows, like, right, the world. And then it starts to zoom out and it zooms all the way out. And it’s actually a marble that some aliens are playing a game with.
So look at these alien entities playing a game with. And we’re in here. So it’s like, who knows how they see these bigger ideas? And I’ve seen men in black, so who knows? Maybe I saw that imagery and then that seed got implanted in my mind, and now I’m a talking point for the elite, right? There you go. You’ve been Illuminati confirmed here. Illuminati confirmed. There you go.
And that’s why I get a little bit weirded out by guys who are like, no, it’s for sure what the Bible says it is. Because if it’s that easy for them to create a compelling narrative and just put it at the end of a movie, that’s a neat metaphor. It sticks in someone’s head, and they kind of live their life with it in their inner mental scaffolding. Scaffolding.
How is that any different from the ideas in the Bible? I mean, obviously, I’m not comparing men in black, the movie, to the Bible, but as media is concerned, like a message that sticks with you. I don’t know. I just feel like to be attached to something that happened that long ago is interesting. I’m much more interested in the people who are like, oh, no, but this is what the Bible is actually telling us.
I like the decoder people. I don’t necessarily buy into it all, but I tend to think that the Bible is more of that, where really wise people left a bunch of messages that were kind of, like, multilayered. So the common man reads it and gets the basics like, don’t hurt anybody, be a good person, that kind of thing. And then the guy step above that gets a different, maybe more complex message.
And then the holy man, or the enlightened one reads the Bible, and it’s this language of the birds kind of thing where you couldn’t even utter it to a layman because your consciousness has advanced to the point where those kind of coded things are just translated immediately. Yeah, and that’s the thing about the Bible. That’s why there’s seven different ways of interpreting the Bible historically being one of them, allegorically being another one, metaphysically being another one.
I guess you can put that in there. Also. Alchemically, there’s a reason why alchemists also broke it down. There’s various ways, bro, and I think that we have a watered down version of the Bible and a watered down version of the doctrines that were supposed to be presented in the Bible. And the reason for that being, I finished reading the divine invasion by Philip K. Dick a couple of weeks ago, and in there they have this holographic Bible, and the holographic Bible, they’re able to project the Bible outwards, and they’re able to manipulate the Bible and move it around and stack it on top of each other to reveal hidden layers of the story.
And you’re kind of able to enter the story in some sort of way, and they ban it because they can’t have people accessing this version of the Bible, because then they’re able to extract the hidden meanings within. Because think about it. If you project, like in the typical movies, like a projection, you start manipulating and moving it around. You start to overlay the stories one on top of another.
You’re like, wait a minute. I’m seeing something completely new on this side where you can’t get it because not only are the pages limiting you from doing that, but also language sometimes is a limiting factor, too. It’s like William Burroughs talked about language being a sort of virus, where it limits you from being able to express yourself. And sometimes we struggle to find the word, sometimes to explain things and even experiences.
Right? Like any sort of experience. And I think that’s a very big limiting factor when it comes to a lot of phenomenological experiences, where phenomenology is, you’re experiencing it. So if Mark got abducted and the space aliens probed his ass or something, guess what? That was real to know Mark was the one that got probed. No one can take that away from you unless you’ve experienced that as well.
Same thing goes with psychedelics. Same things will go with certain things in life and in reality, that the only way to describe it is if you experience it. I can’t describe to you what it feels like to love your child unconditionally. Unless you have a child which you love unconditionally. That’s the only way you’re able to describe that feeling. You know what I’m saying? So words are a limiting factor, and I think that plays a role into.
Do I think the Bible has the answers to everything? No. And I think it’s like that. I used this metaphor yesterday, or this allegory or whatever you want to call it. Yesterday. I said, everyone’s in a dark room touching an elephant. You’re touching the trunk. This other guy’s touching the tail, this other guy’s touching the foot, this other guy’s touching the belly, whatever it is. Some other dude’s touching its balls.
You know what I’m saying? And like, this is it. And it’s a dark room. This is the. This is it. It feels squishy or it feels rough or it feels hairy or whatever it is. Like, no, you guys are all touching the same thing, but just because you’re touching it doesn’t describing the bigger picture, which is the, it’s an elephant. And I think that’s all cosmologies, when you really zoom out, you go, okay, we’re all touching on the same thing.
We’re just describing it differently. But then you get the elitism or the nationalism of the, oh, my guy’s the guy. My part. The balls of the elephant are the part that matter. Because, no, just because you’re experiencing it that way doesn’t mean it’s the whole picture. I think people need to slow down sometimes and really zoom out and maybe have a little bit more of an open mind when it comes to these other things.
And that’s why I like learning about all of them, bro, all cosmologies, no matter what, because you can always extract something from each and every single one of them that can benefit you in a way. But again, I believe that Jesus did die for our sins. And again, I’m a Christian. I was born into it. I do believe it. And will we ever truly, truly know? I don’t know, dude.
I don’t know. But if any, I just wonder if it’s not like, and please, christians in the audience, do not be offended by what I’m about to say, because I could see how what I’m about to say might get taken the wrong way. But in terms of humanity as a global collective consciousness, I just wonder if Christianity and Judaism and contemporary religions that are monotheistic, because there was a time in human history where everybody was like, all right, monotheism is the way it was kind of a historical event, right, that you can track across multiple different cultures.
It happened in the east, it happened in the west. But I wonder if that doesn’t show us that religions are meant to be understood in stages, the same way that you wouldn’t want your child to have training wheels on his bike his whole childhood. Those are only for the first few days he’s learning to ride a bike or maybe months or whatever, right, when they’re too young to balance themselves.
But once they’re off and going, you don’t keep the training wheels on. And again, I’m not saying Christianity, training wheels or anything like that, but I just wonder if we shouldn’t be attached to these ideas and concepts outside of their time contextual framework. Things like morals don’t conform to time and context. Morals are morals, right. The way you treat people is something that I think even a million years from now, if there are physical beings interacting with each other.
You think aliens have morals, bro? Well, I think there is manners. You can call it morals. You can call it laws. You can call it a code of honor. I mean, different cultures have different ways of relating to each other socially, but, yeah, no matter what culture it is, Christianity or not, there’s usually a moral hierarchy that is not really affected by time. Like, you don’t evolve out of those kinds of concepts.
Right. I get what you’re saying, but what a better way to shatter that. And I’m going to send you this Terrence McKenna lecture or talk that I was listening to today, where he’s talking about the UFO and the extraterrestrial phenomenon and how the extraterrestrial, they might be using it to take people away from that Christ point of view worldview. Because if you think about when the church started to influence reality and history and government and all that, it’s been a long time, and that they’re going to use the alien, the extraterrestrial, to shock people out of that way of thinking.
And I mean, what a better way, bro, if you wanted to disprove everyone’s. They can disprove God, let’s say. Okay, well, people are going to say that God also. Did God create aliens? You know what I’m saying? That’s what people. Well, God created them, too. But what a better way than for the government to come out and be like, listen, these are the ets, or whatever it is.
If they are real blood and bones, who knows? But this is them. And they actually created us. Like the movie Prometheus. We’re talking about movies and planting thoughts and ideas, and they’re planting memes, which is the smallest form of an idea, essentially. And memetics is the spread of information. So let’s say they are seeding us with this memetics. They’re just seeding us with all these movies and all these ideas.
And Prometheus, bro, there’s no God in that movie. The God is the engineers. They’re the ones that made us and then planted us and seeded us in the right. He turns into the black goo and then goes in the water, and it starts to develop and spread out and all that stuff. That would shock people out of a lot of things. I mean, some people wouldn’t believe it.
Well, if you look at SCi-Fi there’s tons of Sci-Fi that has all sorts of interesting parallels to the real world. But I don’t disbelieve aliens. I think there’s tons of evidence that they’re fake and gay. No, I mean, I think the government is lying to us about them. So, like, the government’s version of aliens is fake and gay? But I believe in the pleiadians. I believe in the people from, like, I believe that humans could have come from other planets and seeded this planet.
You don’t believe in Jesus Christ, bro? Well, that could be a part of the christian paradigm. These aliens could be christian warriors going from planet to planet fighting the Satan warriors. Gardens of Eden. Like, what if they had a garden of Eden in the Pleiades and they come over to whatever they call this solar system, and they set up a garden of Eden here? They do some planetary physics and make it so the earth’s just the right distance from the sun, and it has a moon that goes around it to keep things in balance or whatever.
When you look at those kind of mathematics, obviously, I’m not doing the measurements, so who knows? They could have just made it all up. But it does seem like the earth is in an anomalously good relationship with the sun and all these other planets. So it’s like, clearly this isn’t just random. Don’t you think that all of this wouldn’t have lined up? And the scientists, they kind of say the same thing, but in an opposite way, where they’re like, oh, no.
Because it’s all so perfect. Life sprouted here. It was the Goldilock zone. Not too hot, not too cold, right in the middle. And it’s like, really? Is it that? So there’s a hot solar system somewhere where know. And then there’s a cold one out there. I tend to think that it’s more like things are kind of in a proto stasis. And as intelligence or consciousness spreads out from a central point in the universe, more and more parts of the universe become living and connected to the rest of it.
And we’re as earthlings on, like, one of these outer fringes that’s only just gotten interacted with within the past million or so years, and it takes billions of years for it to completely spread. So our lifetime as humans is like the lifetime of one of your hair follicles on your head. And that’s not to say that your hair follicles are insignificant, and therefore, you’re insignificant. No, because your hair follicles are you.
They make you. You just like you make the universe what the universe is like. There is no other Juan Ayala in the universe. You are a special, unique component of it, and so is everybody listening. And even the assholes who don’t listen our podcasts, they’re a part of it too, right? They’re not assholes, brother. Well, that’s true, because a lot of my family doesn’t listen to my podcast, so, yeah, they’re not assholes, but.
Okay, I’ll take that back, but you get my kind of point. And it does go into that whole psychedelic, hippie dippy kind of realm. So I could see where people have a hard time getting behind that because I don’t believe the scientists who talk like this, because I think they have a different purpose for sharing this information. I think this is more like what the spiritual wisdom has been kind of pointing to, even in the Bible.
I think the Bible agrees with a lot more than people who follow the Bible give credit. Like, a lot of people who follow the Bible try to live in this kind of isolation zone where Bible only, and I much prefer to see where it connects and coalesces with other things, because in my mind, that’s how you prove something to be true, is when you see its logic repeating in multiple circumstances.
If something works, it doesn’t just work within one vacuum of a circumstance, it should be repeatable. Maybe that’s too sciency for some people, but I think I only came to that conclusion from a very spiritual place, if you could believe it or not. So, yeah, I don’t know. I feel like I’d have a good conversation with this creationist guy. But it kind of connects to what the morning of the magician’s sort of thesis is that it says this book remains a sophisticated philosophical exploration of the repressed phenomena and hidden histories that ask its readers to look at reality with ever awakened eyes.
And it also says their study of secret societies, starting with the Rosicrucians, suggests that such changes are actively being pursued in the present day by a conspiracy of the most spiritually and intellectually advanced members of the human race. And that’s where a lot of this stuff I hit, like, a fork in the road where I’m like, wait, so is all of this meta spiritual, metaphysical kind of stuff, is that, like, the religion of the elite because they’re using it against us and that’s why they’ve kept it all secret from us? Or is it truly evil and we’re being tested by not indulging in all that? Right.
I still kind of hit that fork in the road when it comes to magic and secret societies, because from everything we’ve researched, it seems like there’s a pretty valid path to do all this ritual and occult stuff. Like it exists. It’s not just fantasy. People don’t believe in it. And that’s the crazy part that I believe. I mean, there’s people who dress up and go to lodges every week to meet with their little mason friends and all that stuff.
So it’s like there’s a certain group of people who believe it. But that’s the problem even with civilization or humanity, where you’re broken up into different sects of ideas, of cosmologies, of religions. I mean, all that stuff. And I think it’s that divide and conquer where you get stuck in a certain line of thinking and you’re barricading yourself within that echo chamber, how you’re saying, and it’s like, I broke out of that, and that’s how I’m here, because I was able to break out of that.
I was able to read things that my grandma would probably disown me for reading. I’ve went down rabbit holes that were forbidden that any point I would not even think about doing. And it came with its feelings. And I mean, I have people who write to me all the time who will tell me, like, hey, I was pentecostal too, bro. And it feels dirty, like, thinking about these things.
Because, bro, we were taught was blasphemy. You’re going to be possessed and all that stuff. And it’s fear based, it’s trauma based. And I was able to overcome that. And that’s how I’m here now. And I am a skeptic. And if anything, dude, like I tell people, I’m not trying to take away from anything. I’m trying to prove it. How you’re saying, we want repeatable results. So if you’re sure in your faith, if you’re sure that this is the way, then what does it matter what anybody else says? If you are sure in it, and that’s all that matters.
I hear that and I’m like, yeah, of course people can be possessed, but I don’t necessarily think that that means that studying any one subject could leave you, of course, if your mentality isn’t solid. But I think that’s the point of these practices. It’s like you don’t go and studying this kind of stuff until you’ve kind of strengthened your mental capabilities to kind of wear an idea and then take it off.
Right. That’s a concept that you need to be able to kind of put the hat on. Take the hat off and put it away. You can’t just adopt every single thing you read, obviously. But it gets into this tricky realm when it comes to things that are mean. Possession. I’m almost done with season two of Twin Peaks, and it was funny. Isaac, he asked me, by us talking about these things, if we are carrying the agenda forward.
You know how you’re saying, like, if this is the elite, lizard, interdimensional, egghead people’s religion, and here we are talking about it, are we doing the devil’s work, if you will, by carrying this forward? I don’t see it that way, because I see it, the more you know, the better it is, because I’d rather know my enemy than be completely oblivious to it. You know what I’m saying? And also, I think there’s, like, a power that you give to anything when you’re afraid of it.
So by being strong enough to say, I can learn this without it affecting me, or I can learn this to strengthen my mental, spiritual, and physical framework because I’m not perfect, I get paranoid sometimes. I think, like, oh, God, did that connect to this? And because this happened now, this happened, and, oh, God, what did I do wrong? Jeez, man, it really bothers me. And, yeah, I try to kind of keep myself centered and pray and meditate for those reasons, because it’s not that I don’t believe in religious concepts.
I just don’t believe in the religious organizations that espouse those concepts. Right. Possession could be a thing without necessarily subscribing to that pentecostal idea of possession. Right. I mean, maybe that just proves that it’s real because there’s multiple. You see it everywhere. People have different ways of dealing with it. To me, that just means that people have a real issue with this. Otherwise, why would they be coming up with solutions for it? Well, it’s interesting you brought up, I think her name is Diana Posoka, and she went on Rogan recently, and we had talked about her.
Remember Aguilar of lion was the guy’s name, the one with the homunculus that crashed, landed, and they presented it to him. They were like, what do we do with them? Do we burn them at the. Did she talk about that with Joe Rogan? She didn’t talk about that, but she’s the one that translated all these works that the church has translated. And she was finding, like, wait a minute, the church was leaving stuff out? Like, there were UFO encounters and all that stuff.
And she says that what’s going on right now with the UFO? And I think I’ve seen this, too, on Twitter, like instagram or know, you got the crowd that doesn’t believe in this, and they think that it’s all a psyop and aliens are faking gay and all this stuff, right? And she says, that right now, what’s happening is that there is a new religion emerging. And the reasoning for that is because Jesus went around doing his miracles and doing his things.
And one interesting aspect of, because I just reread the gospel of John and the gospel of Matthew, the interesting part, I think it was mark. Anyways, one of the gospels, two of the four gospels, or however many I reread. And in that whenever he does a miracle, he’s always like, go forth, but don’t tell anybody about this, bro, keep this under wraps. People are going to see that you’re healed.
But just keep it between you and I, all right? Because, mind you, even back then, they couldn’t even handle the concept of this dude. Healing people and doing miracles is like, wait, how are you able to do this? And then that’s the controversy. It was like, well, I am the son of man type of thing. I am the son of God. And like, okay, whatever, you’re the king of the Jews, all this stuff.
But that interaction with people and Jesus, where they were healed by him, when people are having these experiences with these abductions, these UFOs, where they’re being healed or something’s being done to them, you could see where people would start to believe, like, wait a minute, this is God. And it goes back to that Terrence McKenna thing, where the UFO itself is. He was talking about it being a sort of projection of the soul or something weird.
I have to relisten to it again. But he was talking about, it’s like a projection of the soul. And that at the end of the day, at the end of all the rabbit hole, we’re going to figure out that the extraterrestrials are us type of thing. I’ll send it to you. Brockenna. He was talking about the abyss, different abysses. And it’s really interesting because I love Terrence McKenna, even if he was a governmental asset, but he brings forth a lot of interesting concepts.
And she believes that right now there is a new UFO religion emerging. Mind you, UFO religions are, I’d consider Thalema a UFO religion. I mean, it was dictated by an extraterrestrial, ultra terrestrial source. I mean, the book of the law was channeled to Crowley in the Cairo workings. I mean, that’s something that a lot of people don’t talk about. You have Scientology, some people say is a UFO religion, where it was, again, given, I don’t know what was going on in Elrond Hubbard’s head, but there’s the whole rumors of Xenu and how it’s like this volcano that erupted at one point.
They’re all light beings or something like some crazy stuff. People will deny it. I think the Scientologists just deny that they believe in that. But that’s a weird one. What else is a UFO religion? There’s a few, but she believes that there is a UFO religion evolving, emerging. So imagine that, bro, if the people in the government right now pushing for this disclosure start to come out and be like, you know what? We’re actually going to worship these cE.
Isn’t that the whole thing? Stephen Greer, I was actually with Tony and Joel this past weekend, and we were talking about that. I’m not going to give too much out, but for a document that they’re shooting, they had some experiences where this dude was perhaps maybe manifesting these things and bringing them, and they had an experience with these UFOs, I guess. I don’t know how to explain it, but through the use of what you were saying earlier, prayer, meditation.
Well, some people. She also talked about in that interview with Joe Rogan that a lot of people back then were using these same techniques to interact with these extraterrestrial things to bring them forth. And I think it’s called ce five or something. Well, is that any different than, like, ceremonial magic, where people got it, sit around and summon entities from weird old books from the medieval ages? Right.
I think that’s kind of the misconception that people are having with the whole project Bluebeam. It’s like these are only going to be negative entities in the sense that the altruistic, positive aliens, if you want to believe in them, which I do, they’ve been communicating with us, but they don’t interfere. They communicate with people who are good channels of this information, who write books about it or do courses or whatnot.
There’s tons of people that have had experiences with extraterrestrials that were not negative. Obviously, there are tons of negative experiences as well. But I think that just shows you that, like humans, there are good and bad versions of these beings. And I think the good ones wouldn’t interfere in the way that the government and these groups are suggesting. As far as ce five goes, I’ve heard some weird things about Dr.
Stephen Greer, but I don’t know. I don’t know him. I’ve never met him. He kind of looks like Jeff Bezos and Bill Gates combined to me a little bit, but just on appearances. But, yeah, I don’t know. I mean, again, it doesn’t strike me as anything new. I think just in the past people thought of it as ancestor worship or angel summoning or worse things like demons and gin.
But now people have a Sci-Fi framework for reality. So they’re like, oh, yeah, these are aliens. These are us from the future, or these are beings that are just like us. And that’s what the channelers tell us. And if you think about it, I don’t know. I mean, of course, all these people who channel and whatnot, they could have just read books about ancient culture and said, oh, the ancient peoples worship the Pleiadians, so let’s talk about the Pleiadians.
But it does seem to line up in that sense, because there’s tons of evidence the ancient peoples were like, yeah, the people from Syria came and talked to us. Or, oh, yeah, the people from that constellation came and talked to us, and then they would build monuments aligned with those constellations. So it’s like, not only does that take a lot of mathematics, I just think it’s no wonder that the government would want to get ahead of that and make everyone afraid of aliens when, if you look at ancient history, not to go all ancient alien cuckoo on you.
I think the aliens, or whatever these other entities are, I think they had some kind of interaction with us in that time period. They might not have built everything for us. Like History channel suggests. That’s racist. They definitely were here. There’s no doubt that humans remember entities that didn’t resemble your average human interacting in tangible ways in the human history. Sure, they’re thought of now as mythological or we’re subconscious archetypes or whatever, but honestly, I think that they’re real and that we live in a much stranger world than our schools and society wants us to have a filter for.
So they filter all this stuff out. That’s hard to explain. And they give us this very small lens of reality. And then when people have these interactions with benevolent beings, they can’t risk that lens widening, so they have to lace it with fear so it closes back up again. So they get everybody afraid of aliens. They get everybody thinking, oh, no, aliens are here to steal your dna.
And maybe the military does that themselves, guised as aliens, so that we fear these beings that could help us, right? Like, maybe they realize, like, oh, these guys from other planets are clearly a threat to us. They could turn the 99% against the 1% by just saying, humans here are what your leaders have done to you, so they have to give you, like, a fake version of that and make you think that the aliens are going to come here and enslave us all when maybe they want to.
Maybe it’s the underground railroad to Venus, bro. Like, who knows? Maybe they’re going to free us from this prison planet and Kim Jong un. And is that where the jew tunnels go? Joe Biden? What’s that? Is that where the jew tunnels go to Venus, the Hollow Earth Jews. But you’re saying something really interesting, because I was just watching this documentary on Netflix with my wife, and it was about this, I think it’s called american nightmare.
Let me see here. American nightmare. And it was about this beautiful american nightmare that show. It was about a home invasion kidnapping in 2015. And the story was so bizarre that this guy was telling and the chick, that nobody believed them. That they believe that they were staging it. But think about that. It’s so bizarre that nobody in their right of mind would believe them, and the entire time, they were telling the truth.
And this plays into, like, fritz Springmeyer territory, where, again, it gets dark, but when a child is telling you, hey, Ronald McDonald is coming into my room at night, and use your imagination. Right? And as a parent, you’re. Yeah, yeah. Ronald McDonald’s not coming into your room at night, please. Or what’s the purple dude? What’s the purple dude’s name? The purple. I tried to bring this up with.
Are you talking about the hamburglar or grimace? Grimace. It’s like, well, grimace is coming in at night, scaring me or whatever. And it’s like, you disregard. But listen, because there was a tweet of the guy in New York. He’s like, listen, I hear jews under my house. I hear people talking as a yiddish or something underneath my house. And he was tweeting about it, and nobody believed it because it’s so ridiculous.
No one believes that. No one’s ever going to believe you. That’s what I talked to Nick Bryan about. I asked Nick Bryan about that. If people who are committing these crimes gaslight investigators by making the crime scenes appear satanic, instead of doing a real satanic ritual for satanic ritual’s sake, they commit a crime. And then in order to throw the evidence, they cut up a goat body or something, nuts or cats or whatever, so that when the investigators find the crime scene now, they’re off in this satanic direction.
That was a big angle with the satanic panic whole thing. And what Nick Bryan is really good at is sticking to the facts and saying, know, either way, the fact is, children are being abused and the government is covering it up. So all of that aside, he did answer my question. In a good way and kind of elaborated on how that might happen. But he actually kind of went against that and said he believes there are real satanic cults operating in the United, bro.
I mean, yeah, I don’t doubt it, but it’s something that you hear people say and kind of sounds sensational. And maybe I have that doubt because I don’t want it to be true. I don’t want to live in a world where that’s a reality. But the world’s a dark place, bro. And that’s the problem, that you can’t ever underestimate anything because of that. And, dude, even Fritz Springmeyer even goes as far as to say that people who’ve experienced alien abduction, they’re actually what they did experience.
Those were implanted memories, and what they might have experienced was some sort of assault on them, and that’s the way of their brain coping with what happened to them. To say that they got abducted. And I’ve had a couple friends who have these podcasts where people call in with stories, right? We know Merkel, and we know other people who do the sort of same thing. And I’ve had other people who have told me before that they’ve had people on their show where they were describing an assault that happened to them in a form of like, hey, I encountered alien beings, or whatever it is, again, as a sort of defense mechanism, if you will, for that.
So that just throws a wrench into all the gears, right? Because it’s like, wait a minute. So then is the alien phenomenon a thing? Is it the brain making it up, but you can’t discredit? We talked about agobard of lion, stuff like that. That’s not the only one in history. There’s plenty of other ones in history. It’s like, what were those people experiencing? Were they being assaulted in some sort? I don’t think so, because otherwise it would have been written some other sort of way.
It’s weird, right? It’s a phenomenon. Something is happening. Something how you’re saying humans remember a time where they were in contact with entities or whatever it is. I don’t think it’s easily as dismissible as that. I think it’s multilayer, multidimensional sometimes. And I don’t know, man. I know you and I have talked about, like, 14 stuff and keel and the ultra terrestrials, if anything, I like that. And I love the way that cryptids of the corn put it, where the mothman is like this interdimensional raccoon, wherever he teleports into this dimension.
He’s, like, scatterbrained, trying to run away from people and people. Well, he didn’t really attack us. He was just kind of scared. And I don’t know if you watched the documentary moment of contact, I think it’s called where we talked about it on the. Don’t know if you. Did you watch that documentary where they encountered the red eyed being that smelled like sulfur in a corner in Bergonia, Brazil? I think it was.
I think we talked about it maybe on, like, the end of the year episode I did. Where we talked about was more. It was more recent. This one right here. Moment of contact, where it’s the. Right. Right. I heard about this. No, I didn’t watch it. They’re calling it Roswell of Brazil. They encountered a being like this. It was a red eyed being with some horns, and people remember being scared, like, just in a corner, like, oh, it wasn’t attacking us.
It wasn’t doing anything wrong. It was trying to get away because it was scared. So again, maybe these things aren’t supposed. And these are the three girls that saw it. How you’re saying not all these things are bad? Not all these things are demonic? Some might be. Some might be that they want to do you harm or they want to mine you for your energy or whatever it is, but there’s a pattern emerging, and there’s.
Something’s up, bro. Something’s up. What is it? I don’t know, but something is up when it comes to these sort of topics, and it’s been like this for a very long time. Well, I think it’s the morning of the magician’s book that is going to kind of maybe elucidate on how alchemy connects to what we’re seeing now that possibly, like, the advanced technology of the past coded in alchemy and then reorganized in this time period by these people who were either wise enough to remember or pass down the information or just bright enough to figure it all out again.
Or maybe in this kind of consciousness kind of way, we, as humans, we could pull those ideas from the collective consciousness or the akashic record when we’re in the right frequency. So it’s not that we invent them for the first time. And if we forget, oh, it’s gone forever. No, it’s like the same way a tree grows leaves. That’s the best kind of expression of its will. And humans, part of us expressing our will is infrastructure, vehicles, fuel, the basic things that are a part of our society.
I don’t know. I mean, maybe not. Maybe there’s anti industrial modern world where things are like a completely different technology, like a water based technology or like a magnet based technology. We seem to have slightly, like, what we were talking about before, like a silicon kind of based technology at this point. Like, it’s kind of emerging out of, I don’t know, what would you call it? Plastic and metal.
Can we talk about the recent news that everyone’s freaking out about with these apple vision pro goggles? I saw some idiots in a restaurant using them. Did you really? In. No, no. I saw a video on my phone, and they were, like, sitting with each other at a table. Yeah. And they’re just like. It’s just so weird because it’s like, in their mind, they’re, like, just doing their thing.
But from the outside looking in, you just look like a dumb ass moving your hands around. Yeah, it’s a lot of that stuff. I did see that, but the oculus has been around for a while now, and so I don’t see a difference in that. It’s the same thing as the oculus. A lot of people are saying that the augmented reality isn’t any better than actual reality. And honestly, I think some people will disagree with that, though, bro, because there are people who have sex in these other virtual reality worlds.
I’m being serious. There’s full haptic feedback suits. Because think about it, dude. You can literally be whatever you want. Whoever you want. Me, for example, I did an interview for a virtual mystery school in VR. I was Morpheus interviewing a frog. Who can say that? No one else can say that. The only person to ever say that is me. I was Morpheus interviewing a frog. So people are able to live whatever reality they want, bro.
If they’re overweight in reality, they can slim up. They can be eight foot tall in there. They can do whatever they want. Weren’t really Morpheus interviewing a frog, though. I was in VR chat. I was. I was Morpheus, and I got video to prove. No, you were Morpheus interviewing a frog. To a being who’s only capable of visualizing things, any entity that’s capable, I identify as would. I would count it that way.
If the consciousness of Morpheus and the consciousness of the frog were communicating, that didn’t happen. You were talking to some other jackass pretending to be a frog. No, he’s not a jackass. He’s a good guy, bro. Is it a podcaster we know? No, he’s not a podcaster. Even though I think he wanted to start his own podcast. But he’s not a podcast as a frog. He’s tarot reader Frog.
Yeah, he’s an occultist. The whole Alex Jones thing probably screwed up the whole frog Persona for gay frog all the time. I completely forgot about that, dude. Hold on, I got that clip right here. I don’t like them putting chemicals in the water that turn the friggin frogs gay. The frogs are turning gay, bro. I even realized that that’s crazy. I saw a meme today that was Superman holding back a train.
And there’s a kid on the train tracks, and it was like Alex Jones over Superman. And then the kid was like, frogs. And then the train was like, gays or gayness or something like that. And it was like Alex Jones stopping the gayness from the frogs or whatever it was. Here’s a guy, right? Alex Jones. That sounds crazy, what he just said. It’s so bizarre what he was saying.
And he was turned into a meme because of that particular clip. But he wasn’t wrong. He wasn’t wrong. No. Yeah, the atrazine thing is real for sure. But also, it’s not unheard of for that type of organism to become asexual. Okay, I got you. I’m not playing big chemical advocate. Gay frogs for higher advocate over here, Mark Steves. You know, it’s just in that type of biomorphology, I like my frogs gay.
All right, the gayer the better. So make sure to spray your lawn feasible for a frog to become asexual than a human. But hey, I mean, jeez, look at the past ten years. Do you spray atrazine and flush it down your toilet for fun, bro? Just so the frogs turn gay? Like digger, they’re going to be gay anyway. So you’d be gay and proud, dude. Yeah, I don’t care.
I’m not a frog. I love all animals and I love the ecosystem. So if we have gay frogs, that’s going to lead to a frog genocide, because there’s not going to be any female frogs to lay eggs. So read between the lines there, folks. If humanity gets too gay, that’s depopulation. So what if their agenda isn’t to make us all gay, it’s just to make us all gay so we stop having kids? Well, you didn’t have to explain it, but yeah, anyone with two brain cells to rub together could have gotten that one, bro.
The frogs are the first test. Think about that every day, though. Juan. I’m overwhelmed. I’m like, jeez, how are all these gay people what do they think is going on here? You get a free ride, someone creates you, and then you just opt out of the life cycle. That’s not fair. Listen, do people like what they like? I respect everybody equally. As long as you don’t mess with me or my family, it’s all good.
Whatever you put in your butt in your free time is your own thing. What has caused more people to become gay? Atrazine and these weird chemicals or the idea that the world’s overpopulated. The idea that the world is over. A lot of these people in these cities who go and have weird kinko relationships. I’m not talking about LGBTQ. I’m talking about people who are, like, couples that don’t want to have kids.
Talking about TMNt. Yeah. Teenage mutant ninja trans. No, I’m talking about the people who are, like, hetero. Whatever. Couples who don’t have kids. What are you thinking? You got into this world. It’s not a free ride. Bring someone else into this world. That’s how life continues. Right? And I don’t know, I feel like maybe we just kind of veered into a really controversial frog territory. But it’s worth mentioning because, yeah, I love all people, but I also think that it is inherently selfish to not understand these symbiotic concepts.
Right. Like, overpopulation is inherently a flawed concept. I don’t necessarily think that there is such thing as overpopulation. I think what it is is populations get out of balance normally. Here’s the thing. Where I was this past weekend, going from where I’m at now to where I was, which was a very small town feel when I was driving around, not a lot of traffic, everyone was super nice.
I was like, wow, everyone’s so polite. And going from that. I kind of liked that. I was like, I could live right? Is this someplace in Tennessee? I was like, I could live here. I can’t do the cold, but I can do right. Everyone’s nice. It’s small. There’s not a lot of winter. Doesn’t even exist anymore. Dude, winter’s faking gay, dude. We only got, like, six inches of snow all winter, and I live in, like, a place where they’re like, oh, yeah, we get a lot of snow here.
Where is New England? Where is that? Is that Massachusetts? What is that? Are you retarded? Yes. Yes, I am New England. As a matter of fact, I am. All right, so, like, New York state kind of looks like a big mitt with long island sound as, like, a thumb stretching out everything east of New York state is considered New England. So that’s Connecticut, Rhode Island, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Vermont.
It’s a grouping. Okay? So it’s not like one. The. There’s a name for the area you’re in. It’s called Florida. Florida. It’s called Florida, bro. But us small states, we get clumped into regions like the mid atlantic states are Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Virginia, Maryland, Delaware, you know, and then there’s. Know, we’re on the flaccid phallus. That is Florida. That is Drake’s freaking hog. That came out. That was on the Internet this week.
People were freaking out about that because dude is hung Drake’s hog. Dude is hung like a horse, bro. He’s the goat. He’s undefeated, bro. Everything this dude touches turns to gold. And he’s hung like a freaking centaur. He went to China and had some crazy surgery, bro. Dude, he got, like, extra inches added on. He’s cheating, dude. There’s got to be. That thing was unworldly. That was like, he’s taking the ozempic for dick size.
Yeah. Where can we get that, dude? You think it’ll go directly on the shaft? Like, if you had to inject that? I was listening to a podcast where someone made that joke, and they were like, imagine if there was ozempic for dick size. How many guys would die for a bigger dick? I take it ladies, like, dying to lose weight. I didn’t see the image I heard about.
Uh, just like, I didn’t watch the beheading video or any other gruesome shit that gets thrown around on the Internet these days where there’s a beheading video, too. Yeah. When I think of beheading videos, I mean, it’s right up there with pictures of Drake’s penis. It’s all on the same level for me, so I’m just, like, not interested. Well, I muted a lot of words on Twitter, and Drake’s hog still made it through.
Was there was a magnitude four earthquake off the Florida’s. I’m just learning about this. What in the heck? So apparently we had an earthquake. Drake’s penis news rocked you so hard. The fact that there was an earthquake, dude, what in the world? Yeah. No, that’s wild. Wow. That’s crazy. I believe that all these stories and news things, the more room you have in your brain for stuff like that, the less room you have in your brain for morning of the magicians and all these wacky books we talk about on the show, which I enjoy very much.
Yeah, that’s the thing I do enjoy. I know you do. That’s why I’m a little surprised that we took this tangent. But that’s okay. So to be clear, I did read morning of the magicians, all the parts that had to do with Fulcanelli, because Bergier is one of the guys that allegedly came into contact with Fulcanelli. 1930 something, ten years. Nazis were trying to find him, right? Well, no, the precursor to the CIA, I think it was.
I forgot the name of it, but yeah, not the Nazis, but the government. Whatever came before the CIA, which was, I want to say, this precursor. Hold on to CIA. The Office of Strategic Services, the OSS. Yeah, I could have told you the OSS was like, yo, how did this guy know about nuclear. What is that? The philosopher’s stone alchemy and the secret research for exotic matter by Joseph P.
Farrell. Well, I think it’s essentially like Joseph read morning of the magicians and was like, all right, I’m going to take this a step further, because when I found this book, it was a little bit out of my league because I’m like, okay, yeah, this all makes sense. I could see how alchemy and this intelligence world and the military overlap like that, but I didn’t know enough about alchemy to fully get into that book.
But I’m almost certain that that’s exactly what he’s talking about in this. So I think that’s going to be the mission for the pod, is for me to read morning of the magicians, and then maybe we’ll talk about the philosopher’s stone plus philosopher stone. I got somebody on my YouTube. That’s their handle. Yeah, that’s their hand. Philosopher stoned. That’s what we are, dude. I’d be smoking some of that alchemic.
Got you got your little golden pen of elixir there. Me, I have my BDS. Yeah, dude. But I’ll check that out, too, because there is some stuff, and I don’t have anything coming up here. So I’ve been podcasting every single day. This is my second podcast of the day. I did two podcasts yesterday. I did two podcasts on Tuesday. Yikes. I did one on heavy. Dude, you’re carrying a heavy load into the weekend, dog.
Well, that’s the thing. I’m going to take next week, most of next week off and the week after just to hang out a little bit because the wife’s not too happy. I’ve been podcasting too much, so got to make that balance. But, yeah, I went out of town, got flew in Monday, did a podcast Monday, Tuesday, did too. So I’ve been just cranking these out, but it needs to be done.
It needs to be done. We need to protect the frogs. Know, what is this protect our parks nonsense that Joe Rogan’s doing? What about protect our frogs? What about protect our amphibians? Protect our extraterrestrials, bro. And yeah, I’m going to check it out. I’m going to read it. Like I said, I read the parts about Fulconnelli interacting with Bergier, and when Fulcanelli revealed to him the secrets of alchemy, which is an interesting one, but look at this description here.
The modern alchemist and the spirit of research. Description of what an alchemist does in his laboratory experiments repeated indefinitely. What is he waiting for? The preparation of darkness, electronic gas. Water that dissolves is the philosopher’s stone. Energy and suspension, the transmutation of the alchemist himself. And then the last part of this chapter is, this is where true metaphysics begins, bro. Sounds like fire right there. That sounds like some heat right there.
That’s only one chapter of this whole book. So it’s interesting that you did find. I’ve been meaning to go. We were supposed to go when I was in Tennessee to a coffee used bookstore, but we ended up in the studio for like 12 hours that day, so hanging out. Well, we went to dinner too, but we hung out the whole day. And then Tony wanted to go dog man hunting at night, like 30 minutes away from where I was like, no, dude, I’m a big bitch when it comes to that, bro.
I can’t do demons or anything like that, or dogmen. What, you’re admitting this on the podcast, bro? 100%. You won’t catch me, dude. I’ve been hunting before, and one night we were up in a tree stand, and mind you, it’s pitch dark. We’re in the middle of a swamp, and this is over by the space coast, over by Sebastian area. People know vero beach area, and we’re up in this tree stand, and we would turn on.
We’re in front of a feeder, because we’re doing wild hog, and we’re in front of a feeder, and we only have a night vision scope. So we were shooting a crossbow, and we had the night vision scope, and then we would turn it on periodically to see if there was anything by the feeder. And so me and my friend are talking, come to find out that the area we were at, not far from there, off of I 95, there had been a sasquatch skunk ape sighting, almost in broad daylight.
It was like a class a sighting or some class b. I don’t know how they rank. It was like one of the high, right? A lot of people had seen it. It was still light out. They saw skunk ape. Mind you, it was like five aerial miles from where we’re at, so. Okay, cool. That’s fine. You brought me over to this spot where potentially it was a skunk ape.
Cool. He’s like, oh, yeah, no. And if anything, I’m scared of people out here. I was like, what do you mean? Because I told him. I said, bro, imagine we turn on the scope, and there’s a creature or something staring back at us like some weird, discombobulated, like creature just looking at us. What would you do? Would you shoot Bigfoot? Bro, if you had the chance to shoot him, would you take that shot? If Bigfoot was looking at you, would you take the shot? And so we’re talking.
He goes, no, if anything, I’m afraid of the humans out here. I was like, what do you mean? And he goes, well, one time I had a trail cam set up in front of the feeder, and this guy comes out of. I’m going to ask him if he has the pictures. This guy comes out of nowhere, no shoes, no shirt, with a rifle in his hand, goes up to the trail cam, gives it a thumbs up, and then it was out of the frame again.
Those are the people you got to be afraid of. Those are the true monsters that are in these woods. Florida men. What if he just knew the trail cam was there? Well, he did know the trail cam was there, but what are you doing barefoot without a shirt on in the swamp, bro? Please explain that to me. You’re up. No, no. Get out of. There’s different types of people that around there.
That’s all there is up here. There’s, like, people that believe society and they live in the woods. That’s kind of, I guess, the same thing. I’m not about that life, Mark. All right? But, hey, at least I’m honest about, and I’ll tell you, I’m not about that life. So you’re not going to catch me barefoot in the Florida swamps without a shirt on any time of the day.
I mean, maybe you’ll find me with some regular boots on, hunting for hog, which I have. And there was another experience that we had because I got some behind the scenes previews this past weekend, and I kept telling Tony and Joel, I’m like, yo, that was a hog, right? That was a hog, bro. He goes, well, sure, if there was hogs here, there’s no hogs. And what hog do you know that stalks people? And I was like, well, I did have an experience one time where we were tracking a hog that we had shot.
And I’ve got videos of this. And I had a gun on me, but I had left the gun back at the camp. And we’re again, middle of the swamps, pitch dark. We’re tracking this how? We’re looking for blood on the ground, trying to find where it’s going to lay down. And we hear something walking right at the edge of where we were at. We couldn’t see what it was, but it was deliberately staying at the edge of where we were.
And I’m asking my buddy, who’s got more experience, he’s wearing crocs in the swamp. He’s a lot more comfortable than me. He goes out by himself in the middle of the night. He’s good, right? He’s a redneck. I’m not, right? So he goes, oh, do you have your gun? I was like, no, bro. I don’t got my gun on me, dude. He’s like, well, damn, bro. Well, whatever that thing is, it’s big.
Whatever it is, it’s not showing itself. But after that, we kept going. But I was like, is it the hog that we’re tracking? He goes, no, I don’t think she would stay around. Because once you wound the animal, it’s going to run until either bleeds out or if you shot it through the lungs, it’s going to eventually collapse. I hadn’t shot it through the lungs. I clipped the lungs.
I just barely clipped the lungs. It was a gut shot. And so we didn’t end up finding it that night. He ended up finding it the day after. But it wasn’t where that sound was at. She ended up laying somewhere and dying somewhere off, like, close to where we were at. But whatever that sound was that we heard on the edge there was. It could have been another hog.
But it’s weird because when you pull up on them, they book it. And this thing was, the weird part was that it was sticking around. It was sticking around almost like it was waiting for us or something. But I don’t know, bro. I mean, it’s a floor. Could have been a skunk ape, dude. Yeah, who knows? All right, so it’s not for no reason that you have that much caution, okay? I respect it.
That’s why I keep the ten millimeter always on the chest holster. Because you just don’t ever know. I don’t know if I. Because there are stories of people who are like, they see skunk ape or whatever, and it starts to telepathically communicate with them. Like, don’t shoot. Have you ever heard that story, you heard that story of that guy that. I don’t know if I believe in that dude.
Dude, I’ve heard a story about Sasquatch killing somebody, and I’m like, how do we know that that wasn’t just like, a person? How you’re saying planting, right? And like, what if that’s how a lot of these, I mean, I literally heard this on a comedy podcast yesterday. Shout out to our God Shane Gillis. He made the joke of like, yeah, what if Sasquatch is just like, some dude killed somebody and was like, no, it was a chupacabra.
I swear there’s a chupacabra around here. And then Joe Rogan and Matt McCusker were laughing. That’s all cryptids are. It’s just dumb asses making excuses. But I don’t know. I think there’s a case to be made that these things are a product of our consciousness in the sense that the forest brings on a different level of projection capability, where what if actual figments of your imagination could take form in places where you are the only one for miles and miles around? So these people have a real visceral experience of something that is real, and it takes an imaginal form using their conscious energy.
It actually exists independent of them. Negative. Well, and also, it’s like if you were walking into the forest with 30 people, because maybe only 5% of them, or five out of the 30, believe in the phenomena, it wouldn’t be able to appear like that. It might appear like a wood knock or a stone being thrown. I like to think in those terms, that maybe we’re interacting with these places in this feedback loop kind of way, where these beings don’t really show themselves that way unless we’re there to see it.
Like the whole, if a tree falls in the forest, does it make a sound? I think there’s some truth to that. I don’t remember where I’ve heard that, but it’s the observer effect, essentially, right? Yeah. If these beings were like bears or alligators or another creature that we can trap and hunt, then they would have been trapped and hunted by now. I agree. These beings are either something above us that we just don’t have the conscious ability to perceive in a way that would make them pray for us.
There’s species of animals that went undiscovered a couple hundred years ago. Well, even the mountain gorilla, until somebody went looking for it, it was a myth before 1880 or 90, it could have even been later than that. People didn’t believe in gorillas as a real creature. They just thought that was something that Africans made up, like a myth, really? Yeah. And then scientists actually had to go out, and they went into the rainforest where you find them, and they were like, oh, yeah.
No, these african people are telling the truth. Wow, that’s prejudice. Like, there was tons of cultural prejudices, and obviously, the people who lived in Africa knew about these things forever, at least in the immediate area. But gorillas are beautiful, man. They’re such interesting. Rip you apart, bro. Rip your arms out of your sockets, go to the wiki page, and it’ll say when they were quote unquote discovered by science.
Probably will say it in, like, maybe. So. In October 19, two. Captain Robert von beering shot two large apes during an expedition to establish the boundaries of German East Africa. One of the apes was recovered, et cetera, et cetera. 1925. Those are the guys that are in the Tarzan movie when they’re, like, playing that music and they’re shooting the gorillas. Dude, look at this dude. Stash, bro, look at this guy’s stash.
Yeah, that’s what they would do back then. They had these crazy looking, mustachioed science guys go out into the rainforest, shoot a bunch of animals with darts, and take them back to zoos. But before that, half of the known animals in the world were considered possibly not real. But also, back then, maybe they didn’t really. Our idea of myth is being retroactively applied to them. Maybe all creatures were considered real.
They just didn’t really think of things in terms of real or not. Right. So it’s more localized. Like, you would have myths about the creatures that were in your vicinity and things that were outside of your vicinity, or just less tangible, like the gorilla I’m seeing just mostly biological information. You might need to type in the history of the gorilla or something like that. The history of human interaction with the gorilla outside of Wikipedia to get something like that.
But, yeah, it’s a fascinating story. We kind of talked about it a little bit when we talked about the Ivan T. Sanderson thing. Yeah, I’m trying to find it here. Did say the nomenclature for the word gorilla is very old, so that suggests that people saw them a long time ago. Yeah, we were talking about these guys. A rough translation of which meant hairy person. Maybe they were describing mountain gorillas and they found mountain gorillas on that island we talked about.
I took it as some sort of other humanoid. But back then, like I said, gorillas were equally unknown to the world of quote unquote science. Right here. During the 16th century, an english sailor by the name of Andrew Patel was captured by Portuguese in West Africa. He spoke of two manlike apes. Today easily recognizes chimpanzees and gorillas that would visit the campfire when it was unattended. The mound gorilla was first discovered by german officer named Captain Robert von bearing in 1902.
Prior to this time, only lowland gorillas were known to exist. The mountain gorilla species name is derived from Captain Robert van Beering’s last name, gorilla Beringay guy. I guess that’s how you say it, but yeah, that’s interesting, dude. It was a cryptid until it was discovered. Well, I guess it did say that the lowland gorilla was known about, but yeah, I guess highland gorillas are distinctly different, but they look very similar.
I don’t know, maybe the silverback gorilla is like the Highland one. But either way, this is a good place to wrap up. We got to some animal news without even trying. This is a fixture of our alchemy show. We talk about alchemy and animals. So if you like Joe Rogan, it’s kind of like that show where they talk about animals even better than Joe Rogan. Bro, they were having a pretty dope discussion about bears and I thought we were going to talk about bears today because of that.
And I’m like, nah, we can’t just ride Rogan’s coattails. We’re better than that. We’re in our own podcasting lane. And yeah, if folks want to hear more of the podcastical stylings of Juan and Mark, we’ve got a show that we do on our Patreons and this is kind of like a preview for that in a. Yeah, this is an hour and a half, so I think this is good.
We just post this and I don’t know, we talked about putting one of the older episodes out for free, so maybe we’ll do that too to give people a preview. But I think this was a good enough preview. Yeah, and make sure to check out chosen Juan. com for the Kickstarter of issue two. Mark’s in that. Patreon. com thehuanamorepodcast tj ojp. com homosoner’s manual. You want to see me doing stuff like this, shooting crystals out of my hand, out of your ass, bro.
The next issue, you’re going to shoot a crystal out of your ass. It better be, like, tech tight or like some sort of meteoric type of crystal rock. I’ll make sure it’s gear than that. All right, well, until next time, folks, get folked. Get folked. Go folk yourself. Yeah, I like that. May. .
I enjoyed your podcast, but had to cut it short as I’ve got to get going, hopefully can finish later, have a great day and take a break from all the work and enjoy yourself and family and friends☮️💟