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His interactions or my interactions with him where through my adopted dad, some other guys around the area, you know, fences and bookies and such. And it wasn’t so much as a day to day operation. He would stop in to an individual’s house out in South Shore, Massachusetts, which was a de facto social club, you know, a ranch, split level ranch, that was Toby. He did a lot of fencing and stuff like that and he just came in for his cut. As I got older, I was no good in school. I had a fourth grade education, so I was hanging around the junkyard in Boston at the time and, you know, got into clipping cars and stuff like that.
And Jim, I learned later on in life, Jim was very compartmentalized, very militant with his stuff. He had, you know, there was a group of guys here and a group of guys over here, and the two really never crossed paths. They just, he kept it separate. My take now is that he didn’t want to share any proceeds. Got it? Yeah. Let me ask you this, but was there, was there ever stories around about him being an informant at that time that, you know, he had any relationship whatsoever with the government? No. Michael, again, I’m 53, so I’m like, I’ve got to be from my own research, at least 20 years your junior.
These guys were. Some of these guys were 30 and 40 years my senior and we had gone through that with the writing of the book. There’s a lot of stuff, my entertainment attorneys, my agent said, Sean, just let that go. They, you know, a group of them, I call them the character gangsters. No disrespect, Michael, but these guys are in there late mid to late 80s, some of them approaching 90, and they’re like, well, we never did anything with Sean. Why would you? I mean, yeah, so I kind of did my own thing and these guys actually got together and they hired an attorney.
I called them an ambulance chaser. It was a group of them, very well known, all authors all. All have a proffer letter, something I don’t have, and tried to sue me and sue my publisher and every other thing because they were afraid of what I did. Right. Yeah. Because of association I have with Italian gentleman that’s in your generation has good standing, good name. They. For, you know, the. To me it’s. I found it very mind boggling. I’m like, you did what you did, you cut your deal. That’s you. You live with it. You know, one guy you confessed to 20 murders you forgot to tell them about that one that surfaced, they get snatched out of witness protection.
One of them just passed away in prison. So we. That. That held up the release of the devil to pay a mobster’s road to perdition. Ultimately it went through the legal process and their claims of defamation and everything else were ruled meritless. And as we know, the book is out. Yeah. Well, let me. How much involvement, if any, did you have with any of my former associates back then? I know we had a pretty strong pres. A couple of guys were friends of mine, you know, they were mentioned with respect to Whitey Bulger a few times and some of it I know to be true.
I don’t know everything that happened then, but I know that. I know Whitey wasn’t on good terms with a lot of people from my former associates. But did you have any involvement with them whatsoever? I went to New York one time for Jim to pick up some money or babysit a deal that was going on. As far as what was going on with him in Rhode island, that was of course that was LS at the time Raymond his there now. I never had a situation or problems with any of the Italians. As a matter of fact, every.
I think, aside from my attorney, my entertainment attorney, uh, Christopher Brown from Brown and Rosenberg, I’ve got La Magno. All my. All my attorneys are Italian. So I was always. I was Uncle San Diego. All right, well, just, you know, just a point of information. When Whitey was on the run and he was in Santa Monica for many years, I lived in Santa Monica and there was a very kind of a famous street. It was called the third Street Promenade. And that’s where Whitey was living, you know, in that area. I’ve seen him. I didn’t know it was him.
I had no idea. He used to walk the promenade quite a bit and I would be there with my wife and my kids and we would walk up and down and I noticed him, bunked into him to say hello. Had no idea who he was at that time I didn’t know him before, and until he got arrested, and I saw it, I said, wow, how many times have we seen this guy and his girlfriend, you know, walking down there, mind him his own business, very respectful, and then, boom, you know, it finds out to be him.
It was funny. I was on a show with Geraldo Rivera, and it was young. This was right after Whitey’s arrest. And it was a young FBI agent on there that was bragging about the arrest with Whitey. And he was on and on. He was bragging. He’s probably about 30 something years old. And Geraldo said, what do you say about that? I said, well, I don’t know why he would be bragging about it when it took him 18 years to find him and he found him by accident. I said, so it wasn’t any great detective work that the FBI could really be proud of, but he didn’t like that too much.
But, hey, you tell it like it is, right? But anyway, that’s. Tell us. That’s enough for guiding. But I want to ask you. I’m very interested. You and I have a lot in common. Even though we come from different places in life, we have a lot in common because you were once a criminal. You were doing your thing on the street like I was, went to prison, and then life changed for you. And I would say there was a transformation. That’s somewhat what the book is about. And the book, by the way, is the Devil to Pay A Mobster’s Road to Perdition.
So I get it. I understand it. I want to talk a little bit about your prison time. You know, for some reason, people, Sean, are fascinated with prison. Every time I get into some of the prison life, you know, that I encountered, people are very fascinated with it. So let me ask you this. Did you do some time in solitary? I know you did about 20 years. Correct? What was your prison experience? My prison experience, Mike, was probably much like yours. You’re stripped of your liberties, you’re separated from your family. Out of the 24 years or so I did on seven different incarcerations, I believe it was, I did about 11 of those years in solitary here.
The Office of Public Safety, they validate you as an stg. It’s a security threat group. So you know what? It’s 23 hours in a cage. You come out, you shower with handcuffs and shackles. Was this all state time, Sean? All state time? Yeah. Okay. Yes, absolutely. So I think one of the. I was doing an interview. I can’t remember. It might have Been Dan Abrams or somebody. News Nation. And what. One of the things is, I made up my mind during my last incarceration. I got out August 17th of 2020. I went in with a good name, and I came out with a good name.
I met with some individuals at that time. The hierarchy was aging. And they said, hey, listen, you know, you could get the nod or this or whatever. And I said, you know, I’m not interested. I don’t owe you anything, and you don’t owe me anything. I’ve given half my life. I was at. I was 49 at that time. I’m 53 now, Michael. And I had just reached a point in my life, and probably a year before I got out, I reconnected with my faith, Catholic, with God. And it’s the same thing I do every day. It’s.
You have to work 20 hours a day. I’m an entrepreneur, a serial entrepreneur, I call myself. But the first thing I do when I get out of bed is I hit my knees and I ask God to get me through the day and not put me into a situation to ever have to hurt another human being again and to hopefully be inspirational and help somebody. Well, let me ask you a question. There’s guys like us who have turned to faith while we were in prison. We often get knocked. I mean, I don’t know if you heard the, you know, the statement about Christians that were born again, born again, until you’re out again.
Some people there believe that people turn to Christ because they’ll get a better shot at the parole board, which is all nonsense. I tell people all the time they don’t care how much you love God or how into God. That doesn’t move the parole people at all. So that’s nonsense from people that are just ignorant. But was there a moment while you were in prison that things just hit you and you said, you know, I can’t go this way. Was there something that happened in there that just made you come to realize that, hey, this is wrong? How did this beginning transformation start for you? There was a nun that used to come by the cell blocks and talk to convicts, and she said it offhandedly to me.
One day, there was a disturbance over a card game, and I walked over very politely, and I said, hey, guys, come on. From Sister Wait. And then before she left, she said, you know, you have a talent. If they listen to you, imagine what you could do if you were doing good. I was kind of like, oh. She said, you know, there’s an influence there. And I Thought about it and I didn’t. I wasn’t. It wasn’t the proverbial epiphany where it’s like there’s no lightning bolts coming down and hitting me in the head. I got out, obviously there was a.
Several events. You know how it goes before you get out, you’re approached. All of a sudden they’re calling you for a visit. And I’m just like, you know, there’s lawyers and, and, and I’m like, I represent this production company and that production company and we’d like to do this. And before I get out, they actually got a film crew in ample entertainment did to film me for a few days and interview me in Poison. And I got out and we did some filming, just talent only up in upstate Maine. And that raised a few feathers. One of a good guy from New York, I won’t say his name.
He’s now retired and living in Boca. He’s 78. We have the same federal attorney, you know, represents us both. He reached out, he said, what’s this filming thing you’re doing at this certain property by this lake up there? I said, it’s strictly entertainment. And I even told the directors and producers, they came out with a dive team to dive the lake and ground penetrating radar. And I said, if I knew where there was a body, you think I would lie? And he goes to Sean strictly for entertainment. I said, okay. You know, they had the dive team in there looking for some of the Isabella Gardner art museum artwork.
I believe it was the Napoleonic finial they thought was at the bottom of the lake. The foolishness. You know, it’s funny, I wanted to ask you something I’m up against every day and I’m like when they told me when, when you’re the booking agent for your show, reached out to me. My wife said, I thought after the last one you were going to take a break. I said, I actually want to talk to Michael. I said, because it’s, it’s a chance for me to actually have an intelligent conversation with somebody because unfortunately there’s this preconceived perception people have of me and people like me where at most I’m three generations separated from a knuckle dragging Neanderthal.
And I’m just like, you know, all right. I think it’s Hollywood that, that impresses that upon people and television show. I, I can’t even watch these type of shows anymore. My wife feels like, you know, what do you think? And that’s one of the things my Pepys, everybody will Say, does that really happen? I just shake my head. I said, no, it doesn’t happen like that at all. Just not the way. Did you ever encounter that, where people think they know you and they don’t, and then you sit down? Some of my best friends, they’re older and they’re doctors and lawyers.
Hell, my. My director of operations for my record label, which affectionately is named Mob Rock Records, he’s in my guest house. I got him from Merrill Lynch. He’s my numbers guy. And they see that and it’s like, you know, I’m like, what am I supposed to do? Am I supposed to act a certain way, dress a certain way, or walk a certain way? What is it with you guys? Is it that instilled in you? It’s like everybody’s got to talk a certain way or. I just don’t know. Have you ever encountered that? Oh, yeah, I encounter it until today, Sean, you know, especially if you’re a.
A social media presence. You know, I don’t want to. I don’t like the word influencer, but if you’re a social media presence, you will have people constantly saying things about you that they think they know because they’ve seen it on social media somewhere else. Maybe somebody has a beef with you that you don’t even know. Normally, I’ve had more people talk about me that I’ve never met, never heard of, never had any kind of encounter with them whatsoever. And for whatever reason, they choose to make statements and say things that are just total nonsense and totally false, you know, and I’m sure you have.
You got to have thick skin when you’re out there in the media and you have a background like we have. But, yeah, you’ll. Yeah, you’ll get it. And you just gotta learn to live with it because normally it goes nowhere. It’s nonsensical. And these people are just trying to be. Many times they’re trying to be relevant to other people that are looking at maybe something they have to say. So, you know, it’s not a deal. It’s not going to hurt you in any way. And normally, you know, you don’t even respond to it. It’s silly. But, yeah, people have preconceived notions, you know, about our lifestyles and what we did and how we’re supposed to act and how we’re supposed to look and all of that.
But again, you can’t help it. It is the media. It is, you know, movies and entertainment, and you just deal with it. But, you know, they say, hey, you know, no, publicity is bad publicity. I don’t know if I believe that. I think you could do away with some of the bad stuff, but you’re going to get a lot of that, Sean. So tell your wife, just relax. It doesn’t go anywhere. My wife sometimes gets mad too, but I tell her, just don’t even bother with. It’s nonsense, you know, I was fortunate enough, Michael. I met my wife when I got out, and it’s the best thing that’s ever happened to me.
We’ve been, you know, we blended our families. I’ve reconnected. I’m a father of five and a grandfather of five. And my children, they grew up visiting me through plexiglass. They’re grown now and they love my way. I think they’re closer to my wife than me. I think they all will say, we can’t talk to you. You just don’t understand. Well, I don’t, and I apologize for not being there, but at that time was. It was a different lifestyle for me back then. But I’m just. It’s funny, like you said there, man, when you’re in the public eye, a great agent, Lenae Bell, she’s out there with you right now.
She’s up in la and she’ll say to me, sean, you’re gonna come to LA and do this. I hate going to la. I hate it. It’s too. It’s. And this isn’t towards you, Mike, at all. It’s too fake. Like, I was in Sitting in a Office going over a reality show with Morgan Creek Films, and I’m like, I. I can’t relate to you guys. I said, I’m not being rude, I’m not being. I just. It doesn’t work for me, man. I’m like, we want to bring film crews. And they did all that. They moved into the house for 14 months.
And it’s like talking to a good friend of mine that is a documentary filmmaker out in la, Marina del Rey. When I go out there, you know, we get together. Greg Donis, awesome guy. He’s like, I don’t understand it, Sean. He goes, you just pick a phone up and aim it and walk around your house and talk to people. I said, because they can relate to me. That’s why I’m not. I don’t have a bunch of production and directors unless it’s part of the gig. But I think that’s just the realness of being a normal guy.
That people, regular people, I call them. It’s like, I’m I. I have a good friend of mine that’s involved in the tattoo convention industry. Obviously, I’m covered with tattoos. And he. He said to me, you know, I was done wrong by an individual, but I can’t go up against him. He does, you know, multiple conventions around the country. And I said, okay, so you do. And what he did I thought was wrong. I said, well, there’s a way to handle it. I said, just go at him in business. You’ve been working for 15 years. What do you need me to do? He said, man, if I had the backing and the connections as you do.
I said, what do you need me to do? I said, I understand music. I have a record label. I sign bands. I distribute them through Sony, the Orchard, and who Mag? Distribution. My passion was in music. You know, it’s funny when you get out, it was 49, and everybody was, you know, they’re walking on eggshells. They’re like, what are you going to do, Sean? I said, not go back to prison. We’re going to start there. How’s that? I said, you know, I’ve always had a passion for music. I’m gonna start a rock band. How’s that? I want to be a rock star.
They were like, you know, scratched their heads and said, okay, I’ve been out almost five years. So when I signed my deal, I said, you can’t sign me as a band because I want a record, you know, distribution deal to my label so I can distribute other people, other acts. So I got that. And, you know, I’ve gotten submitted twice now for Grammys. In four years, hands that are signed to my label have been submitted for Grammys. I’ve produced their albums. And, you know, when we came to this, and it’s. I. I don’t know, they. We all decided on the name.
I thought about the name for a little while. It’s called the Armageddon Festival, and it’s taking place in Atlantic City, New Jersey, at Caesar’s Pier at the ACX1 Studios, which is attached to Caesar’s Palace Casino. And now it’s everybody. That’s for the last month, since we’ve signed all the contracts and stuff, everybody’s like, oh, it’s got to be crooked. It’s a casino. It’s Atlantic City. How did he get that? And I’m just like, why does everybody think like that? And maybe the 20 hours of work, by the grace of God, you know, I put a good business model together, and everybody ran the numbers, and they said, that’s gold.
Mine. So I took the music aspect, which I understand, and I said, well, we have an amphitheater, which I can put 7,000 people in, and I have a convention floor, which I can put 12,000 people in. So why don’t I just make it a music festival and a tattoo convention and rent the booths out to talented artists from around the country? I said, it’s working for everybody else. Why won’t it work for me? But I just gave them, you know, a different destination. It’s not in the conference room or convention room of a Marriott hotel or the back of a vfw.
I gave you a casino. And everybody’s up in arms about it now. They’re like, well, now you did it. I said, just put a good plan together, man. You know? Well, you know what? You got to just. You got to out all the noise with people that make, you know, comments and that, you know. Yeah, unfortunately, look, I hear all the time, you know, you know, now that I’m doing things on the side and I got deals with Trump and it’s all nonsense. Trust me, Sean, you gotta. That’s all noise that you just block out and continue to do what you do.
And listen, you know, you seem to come a long way in five years. It’s not easy to do that much time in prison, coming out of the streets in that lifestyle and then get out and, you know, within a short period of time. And five years is relatively a short period of time to get your life back in order. So that’s very admirable. And. And let me ask you a question. What psychologically, emotionally kind of impacted prison have on you? I adopted the. The understanding that they could always hostage my flesh, but never my mind. I call it my Mandela theory.
I strived every day in prison to learn something new. Like when I went in my book, it describes one of my first times in. My first time in state prison. My first time being locked in the hole was because I assaulted the optometrist doing my intake. As you know, you go through, you gotta do your physical exam, your mental health evaluation, all that crap. I couldn’t read the eye chart, Mark. I mean, Mike, I’m sorry, I couldn’t read it. I just. I didn’t know how to read and I. I just. Out of frustration, I assaulted the doctor and both sitting in the hole, I said, what prompted that was.
He said, you can’t read, can you? You’re stupid. And at that point I told myself there then, no one will ever call me stupid again. So I made it A point to educate myself. My first book, prison librarian at that institution, she snuck a book out of the visiting room for me. There’s a chapter in my book about it titled Green Eggs and Ham. That’s what I taught myself to read with Dr. Seuss. Wow. Well, you know, pretty typical for medical people in prison to be, you know, pretty cold. I experienced that myself when. When I was leaving before my.
And I did all federal time when I was leaving, I had to go and get a. An AIDS test, whatever it was, you know, HIV test. So I go in there on a Friday, I was leaving on a Monday, and I walk in there, and a doctor looks at me, alleged doctor, and says, what do you want? Just like that, I said, I don’t want anything from you. I wouldn’t even take an aspirin from any of you in here. I said, I’m going home on Monday. I got to take this stupid test. And then he was happy because he didn’t have to do anything to help you with your health situation.
It was just a question, you know. And I even said to him, I said, why are you guys so miserable? I said, the inmates are supposed to be miserable. You guys are not supposed to be miserable. Why are you so miserable? You’re a doctor. Do your job well. You don’t understand what we have to deal with in here. I said, no, I do understand. I’ve been an inmate for eight years. I do understand. I said, but that’s no excuse. You took an oath, you know, but they’re all the same. So believe me, I can understand you being frustrated with those guys.
They were not good people. No, absolutely not. You know, I. I did a podcast, and my agent said, why are you doing that one? It was called Broken Home. I think it was out of Canada. I said, because it’s a young guy. It’s a young guy, and it doesn’t. I don’t care what his subscriptions are. I don’t care. His message is good. And if my ugly face on. On his podcast could gain a few more viewers for him, then I’m going to do it. But he had. It was one of the questions he had asked me, what’s wrong with the prison system today? I said, well, it’s not about rehabilitation any longer.
It’s about incarceration. It’s numbers. It’s privatized prisons. It’s profit now. It’s. And that’s what’s wrong with it. Because I. For, you know, firsthand, I witnessed that. You know, first they would take away the Programs. The barber shop, gone. The welding classes, gone. The small engine repair shops, gone. And those buildings were turned into dorms and they started holding ice and everything else. So it wasn’t about giving a guy a half a shot when he gets out. I have a construction company and I employ ex offenders and people in recovery. I myself am an alcoholic. I’m in recovery.
So I do anything I can to try and show people listen, you know, just because you know life is going to kick you and knock you down. If you really want to change, you can change. Okay. Lead by example. I guess it’s the best way to analogize that. It’s I. I’ll show up at construction sites and I’ve had guys scratch their heads and go, did he just put a tool pouch on? Yeah, I’ll put a tool pouch on. I don’t. I’m not. I’m not better than anybody else. I woke up Michael. Well, you’re in. You’re in California.
So you woke up the sun. I woke up the snow. And 12 degrees here in the perfect mountains. You stole that weary day and now it’s running. I’m in the Berkshire mountains, Central Massachusetts. Yeah. Other colleges. I do want to say this, though. The next time you come out to California. I lived in LA for 25 years. Next time you come out to California, come to Orange County. I live in Beach. It’s a different world down here, different in la, because believe me, I share the same opinion of you, of la, as everybody else does. It’s a tough place and people are fake and especially in the industry.
Not everybody, but you know what I’m saying. But Orange county is a different world down here. We moved down here 12 years ago and I would never move back to LA. So just a point of information next time you come in, but I do want to say this. You know, I spoke in front of the Senate staff on one of the anniversaries of 9 11, and we talked about prison reform. And I said to them, you know, you congressmen out there, you’re supposed to care about your communities and your constituents, correct? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Prison is not about reform anymore.
It’s not about rehabilitation. It’s about punishment. So you take guys that are on the street, you throw them in prison with everybody else that got in trouble, and you expect them to learn something without teaching them anything. And then they come out on parole and they do the exact same thing they did before because they weren’t rehabilitated. That means you don’t care about your constituents and you don’t care about your community because you’re letting these guys come out and wreak havoc again because you didn’t help them in any way possible. So if you rehabilitate people, you’re doing good for the whole country, doing good for communities and neighborhoods.
Because I do believe this, and you’re a perfect example of it. Maybe I am too, in a way. I think a lot of guys in there want to straighten their lives out. They don’t want to come out and go back to prison, but they don’t have an opportunity to do so. You know, Sean, so many of these guys, young guys without, you know, they come from a single parent home, they gravitate to the street, get involved with the local drug dealer, local gang bangers, you know, gangs like we did, and all of a sudden they’re doing their bidding and you expect them to go into prison and come out good people, you know, reformed people with no reason for them to be that way.
They get more bitter and angry in there. Look, I got bitter and angry in there. I’m not, you know, if I didn’t turn to faith, I don’t know how I would have come out. Because I didn’t like the government. I hated the government. So, you know, they don’t understand that mentality. Because people in government, quite honestly, most of them don’t give a damn about people. They just don’t. And I think we’ve seen that so often here in the last several years. I don’t care about the people. It’s all about themselves, about their positions, you know, lining their pockets with money.
It’s, it’s terrible. It’s. You know, I, I had had a conversation one time with a guard and he said something to me and I said, hey, listen, man, the only difference between you and me is your uniforms are different color and you get to go home at the end of the day. You just haven’t got caught yet for what you’re doing. Let’s see what you do, what you’re bringing in the side money you’re making with these guys. You know, narcotics was never my thing. I didn’t get involved too heavily in it. I’d be a liar if I say I didn’t dabble in it.
If I was able to get stuff contraband in, I would make money off it. But the guards, when they, when they, when they try to act like they’re above you, you know, it’s sometimes, sometimes the keepers are just as corrupt as the kept, if not more. No question. I’ve seen It. Yeah. My take on recidivism is, like you said, there’s nothing you. You might have a kid that comes in for an armed robbery. So Department of Correction, the way I view it is it’s a college for criminals. They might come in an armed robber, but they’re going to learn something and try something new because you’ve given them nothing.
There’s no alternative in there. You can’t. Like I said, they took away all the programs. It used to be the guys would learn a trade. That’s gone now. All of that’s gone. So you’re just housing them and pissing them off, and then you put them back into society. You’ve just built a super criminal. How’d that work out for you, exactly? You give them 100 bucks and a bus ticket and you tell them, go out now and be a productive member of society. Doesn’t work that way. You know, after they’ve been in for several years with other guys that have done the same thing, and you expect them to come out, you know, having learned something.
It’s just. It doesn’t make any sense. But the bottom line is. Don’t care. No, it’s. You know, I remember one time. Yeah, in the federal system, at one time, there was a congressman that got up. I’ll never forget, I was in jail at that time. And he gets up out of nowhere and he said, we got to take all the weight rooms out of the prisons because we’re creating super criminals. There was no evidence of that whatsoever. He just thought it up. He was running for reelection, but he’d be hard on crime. So they actually create a bill in the federal system that you had to remove all of the weight rooms.
Now the wardens got upset. They said, hey, wait a second. These guys go in there for a couple hours a day. They knock themselves out, they stay calm. They. We don’t want it removed. So they kind of reformed the bill a little bit to say that you. You. The ones that were there, you had to leave them there, but you couldn’t replace any broken equipment. And in any of the new prisons, you couldn’t put a gym in there. Just ridiculous. Ridiculous. You know, it’s. It was my. My go to while I was in prison was I would spend my.
My yard time jogging around the track. I would run seven miles a day, 15 miles Saturday. That’s how I escaped. That was how I got out. And then reading and writing a lot. And it’s funny is I think I wrote 16 manuscripts while I was away over different incarcerations. And the publishers approached me, and, you know, every one of the books, you know, I was talking with my editor the other day. He said, geez, where did you come up with this? I said, well, that’s a lot of research I did on pharmaceuticals. It’s a fiction series.
Dirty Money’s the first book. But all that they wanted out of me, you know, they made an offer, the advancement. You know how it goes, Michael. And I said, ah, you’re close. Why don’t you take the offer and chop it in half, Put it on top of that, and I’ll give you the autobiography. You know, like, that’s all. All they wanted was this. That’s it. That’s all they wanted now, which, you know, been a bestseller since it eventually came out after all the legal nonsense. Now it’s. They’re. They’re getting into the other manuscripts. What else have you got, Sean? What else? I’m like, come on, man.
You can take the kid or the guy now at 53 out of the streets, but you can’t hit the street out of me. And I found, like, I. I use that mentality, and it works sometimes and sometimes it doesn’t. Where it’s like, just tell me what you. Where are you going with this? Let’s not go left to go right. Just tell me what you want, what you expect. You know, what my expectations are. What are yours? Let’s not waste time here. And sometimes they tell me, yeah, Sean, you really can’t talk in boardrooms like that. Well, yeah, I can, because, you know, I’m here for a reason.
They need something from me. How do I capitalize on that and benefit from that? It’s simple business. 101 to me. And it’s. I find it comical. Sometimes I’ll sit and I’ll laugh sometimes myself, you know, I’ll go to bed at night and my wife will say, what are you laughing at? I’m like, I just had this meeting. And she’ll say, it didn’t go good. Was it funny? I said, no, it’s just human nature. Human nature, that’s all. Well, you know, it’s funny, something that you just said. I want to touch on. You know, I say the same thing, you know, in reference to myself, the boy out of Brooklyn.
Can’t always take Brooklyn out of the boy. And, you know, I am Christian now, and I’m very serious about my faith, But I’m not perfect in any way. I still have thoughts. I’ll be honest with you. I still don’t like the government I would there’s certain things that I would break the law morally I don’t have a problem with it. You know I’ll give you an example my friends if you want to hear the rest the of to this eye opening interview join my school community link is in the description SA.
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