ALL Haunted Mansion Rides Movies Occult Symbolism Explained! w/ Jamie Hanshaw

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➡ The story revolves around a haunted mansion and a cult that traps souls. An astrophysicist, who initially doesn’t believe in ghosts, starts to explore the spiritual side after a woman he knows dies. He takes over her role of giving ghost tours, putting his scientific work on hold. The story also includes elements of spiritualism, the Civil War, and the use of Ouija boards for contacting the dead.
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It is the Haunted Mansion. Disneyland has been around for 70 years and we’re having a look at the ride based movies. Is Matt here? Over there it’s Paranoid American. How’s it? It’s going great. And down there we’ve got Jamie Hanshaw joining us once again to a call Disney. Thank you for coming. Thank you for having me. So I want to, I don’t know, when’s the last time you guys have been on Haunted Mansion? I’m almost going to guess that Matt’s been on it more recently, but I was there, I think three or four weeks ago. I actually was here last week and I made sure to ride the Haunted Mansion three times.

I knew. Yeah, three times, you know, so I’ve got it like locked down right now. Yeah, but you’ve gone to the Disney Sea version. I went to the Orlando version. And then Jamie, I assume the last time you’ve been was la, right? Disneyland. I’ve been on that one several times. I might have gone on Orlando once in the past 10 years or so. We’ve got the full experience though. Like we, we know enough about Haunted Mansion collectively to be experts on the subject. Yeah, I think so. I’ve read a book on it. People get obsessed with the Haunted Mansion.

Not necessarily the 2003 movie, which is our primary topic today, but just the, the ride itself. I mean, you know, that’s the one where people are like, you dispose of my ashes and the Haunted Mansion and then, you know, security has to come after them. But yeah, people have tried to, you know, kind of sprinkle some ashes in the Haunted Mansion. So I. Because they want to be the thousandth soul right now that they actually are dead. Well, now that you’ve mentioned that, I heard that Walt Disney himself told the BBC that he wanted to build a retirement home for all of the homeless spirits of the world.

And that’s what the Haunted Mansion was. The ride attraction was in the process, like even before Disneyland it was going to be Mickey Mouse park just on a plot of land on, you know, next to Disney’s Burbank Studio, which was. Turned out not to be big enough. He wanted to build there. And then they’re like, you know, half of this is going to have to be parking. He’s like, oh, crap. So, you know, bought land in Anaheim instead. But, yeah, that was supposed to have, like a walkthrough haunted house. Disneyland did not open with it, but they built the facade for the Haunted Mansion.

It was up in, like, 1962 or something, and it just sat there for four years before they actually finished the attraction. It was still going to be a walkthrough when they built Upside, so they. They had no idea what they were going to do with this thing. And the final product is a little bit after Disney. So it’s had a few changes he did not approve, but they went like 10 years being like, oh, they kind of knew this idea was going to happen. So I guess it’s still Disney approved. Like, the country Bears, you know, at least knew of the idea well, and they were taking their time getting the lore together, too.

They couldn’t really decide what the backstory was going to be because a lot of the things they came up with were too spooky. Yeah, there’s. Claude Coates is one of the Imagineers, and he. He’s more like, I want to scare the hell out of people and be super creepy. And the ride itself, the first half of the ride is a little bit more Claude Coats. He got his revenge by doing Snow White Scary Adventures when they opened the Orlando park, because the original version of that is scarier in hell and just has the witch Poppy on screaming at you for the most part.

So it’s all dark. It’s. You don’t see Snow White when you go into Snow White’s house. You just see the dwarves and terror and all of the animal morphic, you know, animals and stuff. Tokyo still has this version, except the house is happy now and they’re singing the happy song and they look happy. We don’t. We don’t get the terrified doors, which is a little bit disappointing. But the second half of the ride’s more like Mark Davis, so it’s more whimsical. He did like the country bears and stuff, so that’s. That’s when the song kicks in.

Although that last graveyard scene, you can get a little shock with the. If you’re in the right spot. Sometimes there’s guys popping out behind the grave sites. Will make you do a. A little jump, you know, if you’re not. If you didn’t notice the car ahead of you. Got it. I do like the idea that Disney gets to set the baseline for what’s acceptable as scary to children through their movies, TV shows, rides, everything. Like, they’re kind of the Pfizer in this space. They are so big that no other company, even if they wanted to dabble and do experiments on what kind of fear levels are acceptable to children, Disney’s the only one that has a sample size big enough to actually put that in motion and actually get those measurements.

And it’s all proprietary information, but it’s just. It’s a wild concept that Disney, through doing that, setting the bar. But now they can also sort of indirectly tell kids and families, here’s what’s acceptable, here’s what’s not, here’s what’s really scary. They own Indiana Jones now, but if you remember Temple of Doom, that bit Paramount at the time in the butt because they were like, this is too much. This Temple of Doom is too much for kids. And that movie is rated PG. It’s after that we get the PG13 rating. So I think. I think Red dawn, the first film to actually carry that was released with the PG13.

There might have been one that got it before. I feel like I lived through this. It was. The Gremlins movie was another monumental one. Gremlins was the other big one, Gremlins. And it was pg, right? It was PG movie, and that movie is pretty gruesome. The Haunted Mansion 2002, I believe, is PG, so. Well, you guys remember that extraterrestrial. Extraterrorestrial alien encounter ride? Absolutely. To be too scary for anybody. I. I actually got a chance to go on that one, and I agree, like, it wasn’t. I wouldn’t say too scary for anyone, but for anyone in a Disney park.

Absolutely. Because you’re not expecting it to be tens. Yeah. How about the Haunted Mansion? I should apologize. I’m gonna slightly apologize. We’re talking about the Eddie Murphy one, which is weirdly beloved with, I guess, Zoomers. I. I didn’t, like, really realize this while I was doing my research, but I actually did have time to watch the 2023 one, and I kind of liked it better. Oh, I have notes on that one if you want to smash them together. I haven’t seen the new one, but feel free to spoil it if you both want to throw in notes on this.

I mean, it’s in that one, actually. Yeah. Yeah. So Maybe watch what I was like. Matt watched all three then, right? The 2003, the Muppets 2021, and the 2023 remake. For this, I like, I did not in the past week watch Muppets Haunted Mansion, but that one, since it’s come out in 2121, that actually has become sort of my like, Halloween time thing to watch. Partly because it’s only like 45 minutes, so it’s not a big commitment. And also, I like. I mean, Hocus Pocus yet. We haven’t done it yet. No. Oh, okay. We’re gonna do.

We have. Yeah. That’s called the one for millennials, apparently, like two Zoomers. The 2003 Haunted Mansion is kind of their Hocus Pocus. Right? So. Oh, I feel bad for them. Hocus Pocus is. Is infinitely superior. I haven’t seen Hocus Pocus, to be honest, and I definitely never. No, I want to do it for this podcast for sure, where you have more Dark Disney in the future. In my mind, it’s like Hocus Pocus, and somewhere above that is Ernest Scared Straight, but they’re like, they’re kind of close to each other. Yeah. Straight’s the 10, right? Yes. What’s funny is when I was really little, like two or three years old, I taught myself how to read with the Walt Disney CNC little records.

Like, you put the record on and then you go through the book and read along, and it says, when you hear the noise, turn the page. Right. So I would, like, lock myself in my room and go through all these Disney books, and you guys, like, dislodged an old childhood memory with this guy. Do you remember that guy? Oh, yeah. I think I actually learned to read the exact same way you’re talking about and just didn’t think about it till now imprinted in my book brain because you were talking about, like, what’s scary, what’s not. So he’s like, pretty scary, but he’s also kind of, like, friendly looking.

Right? Because he’s smiling. Yeah, that’s. That’s the Mark Davis vibe. Right. The more whimsical one. Whereas the rattling armored suits and. And stuff is. Is a little more of the Claude Coats thing for. So they. The points of ride especially has two very. Two very competing views on how do we be scary slash entertaining and allow kids to be on this thing. So I don’t know how I. I guess kids could watch the 2003 Haunted Mansion. I don’t. I mean, they might poop themselves a little bit, depending on age. So was that scary? Yeah. No, no.

Major issues. It was a success. I didn’t know that. I kind of assumed it was a flop. But it seems to have made double its budget. 90 million. 90 million budget seems a lot for this movie. 182 box office. I guess. The flood. Yeah. The 2023 one has a more interesting story. This is all like, real estate. Like, you like Eddie Murphy, but you’re never gonna like this character. He sucks. Oh, yeah. Well, he has, like, you know, an arc to go through because he’s your classical distracted dad. He’s kind of greedy. He’s kind of ambitious.

He’s kind of neglectful. Not extremely, but this is the. You know, the lesson that he has to learn to appreciate his wife or whatever. But the credits open up with tarot cards in the very beginning of the 2003 one, so I thought that was interesting. So you’re following this path of their story in the tarot cards, and it’s like a 1800s, like, I Venetian Eyes Wide Shut masquerade ball. That’s what you call it. Right. So this is the lore behind the Haunted Mansion. And if you go scrolling through videos about the actual ride, they have several different stories and things that they, like, switch around and the backstory of what’s going on in the haunted mansion, who’s haunting it.

Right. I think that’s part of the difficulty about making a movie of the Haunted mansion. That weird vagueness and abstractness and someone thought a very detailed story and, like, three details made into the ride kind of helps. Like, there’s no, like, strong narrative. So when you’re making a movie now, you have to figure something out, you know, so. So starring those 2023 spoilers, the one thing the concept I really like there is once you enter the haunted mansion, you are now trapped by the. The. The ghost host or whatever there. And even if you leave within 24 hours, the hauntings are going to become so bad, you have to return.

So what, the kid. The kid goes to school, but he’s got to come back, right? He can’t go on vacation or anything. They. They make a point of that. Like, why don’t you visit your grandparents? And I can’t really. This is like Hotel California in a way. Yeah. Yeah. You can go out for the day. So maybe, I don’t know, Hotel California can. You can never leave. Right? So. Well, that’s the same premise, right? Like, you can never leave the haunted Mansion. Even if you leave, you’re still there. Yeah, yeah. Or you will be soon. The.

The magnetic attraction of her. These. The, you know, magnet. Spiritual magnetism will bring you back. Or you take the hitchhiking goes with you on your way out. Like they say, right? Like, as you’re leaving and you’re exiting and going back into the sunlight, they say, here’s your ghost. And you see one in the carrier with you. Do they still do that? They do, yeah. Yeah. I’m actually searching to see. It’s always. Doesn’t work when I try and show images. But I tried to get that shot last week for her with my hitchhiking ghost. My mom. I tried to shoot a video for content in there, but you can’t do it.

There’s too much music as soon as you try to do it. Because I was in my own doom buggy, right? So I was, like, trying to. And then as soon as you start talking, it’s like the ghost host comes and he’s in Japanese too, to make it, like, doubly confusing. So I was like, this. This isn’t gonna work. Yeah. And then what do I do? Do I just point at things and then just try to BS why there’s conspiracy behind that? I was like, maybe that would be, like, too jokey and pointless. You know, I gave up and enjoyed the ride instead.

Well, it definitely is a catabasis, because they call that place where you’re entering your little carriage limbo. So you are in between, you know, the spirit world and the material world, Right? That’s. The ride structure has such a good narrative that remains abstract. You go in this facade. There’s the stretching room thing, which the point of that was just. Cause the ride’s actually outside Disneyland and they have to put you on an elevator to get you out of there, right? And then, yeah, you’re in limbo, which is actually going under the berm of Disneyland is limbo, in that case.

So it is kind of Disneyland limbo. And the ride itself, you know, it’s in a warehouse. It’s like slightly outside of the park, at least for the California version, with the notes. Okay. The. The ride also, I think, is a good analogy for a Disney movie itself. Because if you think about it, when you go into a movie theater, into this dark room, it’s sort of analogous to going inside of a coffin or going inside of a mausoleum. And then this other movie is played in front of you. It’s not your life, but maybe it’s like another version of some sort of a life.

Like the entire cinematic experience is about dying and then, like, being reborn with this new information, and which is when you, like, come back out of the theater and if, like, the. The light. It’s still light outside, there’s that, like, blinding moment where you’re like, oh, God, you know, outside world. And I think that that has the same sort of impact as going through the motions of, you died. Like, on a subconscious level, you died. Here’s new information. Okay, now you’re reborn again. And I get that same sort of cinematic feeling of like, oh, my God, it’s so bright outside.

Definitely does that. Yeah, the Ride for sure does that. I was just thinking, because Japan has a weird thing that people. It’s more preferable to see a movie in the afternoon for some reason. So the late show is the cheap one. So I usually see the late show and the matinees are not. It’s the opposite here. Yeah, Right. But the Haunted Mansion particular coming out of that is quite blinding if it’s a sunny day, because. Yeah, also the. The ride and the O3 movie, I don’t think it was in the Muppet version, but I guess one of the.

The scary plot lines acceptable for kids is suicide, right? Like, they. They foreign FOMOs, they put. Not only does the wife drink poison and kill herself, then the husband is so distraught that he hangs himself. And that’s in the Orlando ride. I think in all the rides where the ceiling gives out and you see a guy hanging from his neck, you know, dead up in the rafters. And I always wonder, like, that might be a little on the line for children. You’re bringing them onto this show and they’re, like, seeing this guy hung or maybe, like, I’m not sensitive to it because I was, you know, grew up in the 80s and 90s.

But for these new babies coming out, isn’t that a little triggering? Like, shouldn’t there be a trigger warning on the way into the Haunted Mansion in Japan, I don’t think anybody cares. I think it’s because Japanese folk tales tend to be kind of more horrific. It’s like they never really, like. We’ve kind of, like, partly a lot through Disney. We’ve kind of like, you know, covered up those original Grimm fairy tales a little bit or whatever. But in Japan, yeah, there’s still, like, the eyeball kid running around and, you know, the. The lady with the mask on is going to slash you and.

Or something in the middle of the street late at night. Those sorts of things are. Are still like, kind of children’s stories. So the guy hanging doesn’t seem those businessmen on the train might slash you too. Oh, right. Well, they’re slashing your skirt. The lady in the street slashing you. So there’s a difference in the stories. There’s also a lot of lover unalivings. In these stories of the Haunted Mansion, one of the ladies killed her husband’s furl necklaces. And the story of the Black Bart pirate. So that’s the hanging guy, I think, is the pirate. Right.

Well, in. In the O3 one, it’s the husband of the wife that’s so distraught that his wife poisoned herself that he then is melancholy. I don’t think he’s a pirate. I think the pirate version is weirdly like an earlier. I think that was a fleshed out story that did not make it to the final ride and kind of sort of got repurposed for Pirates of the Caribbean. Oh, okay. Because the bride in there with the glowing heart on the ride, that’s the bride. Yeah, yeah. So I think that’s the story of her and her pirate husband lover.

It can be, though. That’s the fun part about the ride is that it’s so abstract. You’re absolutely still correct. I saw it a little differently maybe because I’m like, well, pirates is a five minute walk from here. That has to be a different story. Right? But you know, it doesn’t have to be, does it? So that. That’s kind of where it’s a little problematic to put a story on the Haunted Mansion. We’re doing the Country Bear soon too. That’s a little easier because at least you got like this Muppet show overlay just to bring the Muppets back into it.

You know, there was a scene in the opening of the O3 one with Eddie Murphy and they have this flyer that was Evers and Evers because they. You were saying they were like a real estate company. And the first thing I thought of too, Jamie, was when you’re talking about this archetype of the. The overworked, neglectful dad, it reminded me of the Hook movie because that’s what Peter sort of is. He’s that exact same character where he loves his family, he’s with his family, but he just can’t get to the baseball game on time where he’s always closing some deal and doesn’t have time for him.

30 minutes of the movie with him or more before he becomes more fun. So at least in the Haunted Mansions credit Eddie Murphy. He comes in with the Eddie Murphy charm. He’s, you know, kind of a. He’s a crap person. But he’s too busy to give you that. Yeah, it’s hard for Eddie Murphy not to be at least a little bit charmful maybe, nor a bit didn’t work out. I don’t remember. Yeah, he’s not a villain. He just has his priorities are, you know, need to be worked out. Well, he’s trying to. He’s trying to make that money because, you know, they’ve got expensive habits.

But I was gonna say, like in the, in the beginning of this movie, first there’s a hidden Mickey. A kid goes up to this gate and on the gate there’s this padlock. And the padlock has a hidden Mickey in it. I don’t know if you noticed that. Oh, yeah, it says there’s five in the film. That’s the only one I personally noticed. There’s also an ax by an animated suit of armor. A third, briefly seen when Ramsley poisons a goblet of wine. And there’s one. There’s a few others just in the the house. Sorry, I was just looking at the list of hidden Mickey.

I only saw that one. I didn’t pick up on any of the other four. When we see that first hidden Mickey, then this big ghost flies out of the Haunted Mansion and it scares this kid and he runs off and then camera pans down and it’s got flyers for this Evers and Evers Realty. And I noticed it wasn’t one of those 555-12-12 numbers. So I called it because I’ve learned that ever since the Roger Rabbit Nintendo game that had like a, like a phone number in it. If you actually called it, it would have something there.

It was. It’s disabled now. But there was also a website that was like eversendevrs.com and I went there and some smart mfer out there bought that domain when it lapsed. And they’ve got a Haunted Mansion themed airbnb out like 15 minutes from Disneyland. So now if you go Toevers&evers.com, it points you to this, this, this Airbnb that looks pretty awesome. So I just thought that was really cool that someone actually thought to do that. It’s on the west coast or the east coast? On the west coast. Oh, okay, cool. Although I wouldn’t be surprised if something’s on the east coast as well.

This is one of the more product, more boring production. It just says. In January 2002, it was announced Disney greenlit this movie, came out the following year. The only big change is they were going to make it look more like the Orlando version based in upstate New York. And somewhere along the way, they just like. And newer and square. Let’s put in Louisiana instead. That seems to be the only hiccup in production of this one. The other version spent 13 years in production hell, where Ryan Gosling was going to do it for a while. I guess 2020 got in the way for a while.

Yeah. There’s just a whole bunch of. It took them 13 years to make that one, which was nominally better. I, again, I did. I think I surprisingly preferred the 2023 one, maybe because I have no nostalgia for the 2003, but I’m still like, yeah, neither of these. I’m. The ride is my primary source. And for Halloween, I’ll put on Muppets on a man. Did you guys happen to notice the kid’s bedroom in the beginning? I noticed there was one, but what about it? Well, you can tell a lot about a movie from the decor in the child’s bedroom.

They always put a lot of Easter eggs among the toys and stuff like that. But in this one, he had, like, Houdini posters and the posters of the classic magicians, who. I don’t know if you’ve looked into this or not, but a lot of them say that they got their powers, you know, from, like, little spirits and ghoulies and. Spiritism. Is that even a word? But when you look at the posters, a lot of them actually have, like, a little devil, like, Easter egg hidden in these classic magician posters. So he had those on the wall.

He had the, you know, your classic solar system, Michael Jordan stuff like that. He had his, like. Not pornography, but it was like. It was like Sports Illustrated swimsuit issue to kill a bug. Yes, now. Now I’m remembering more of this stuff. And not just that, but right at that moment, I didn’t even make a note into this until something else came up. But in this, like, crude, late 90s, early 2000s way, they were doing this weird wordplay about, like, whack it. He talked about having this Sports Illustrated, and the reason they came up is because there’s a spider on the window.

And he. And he rolls up the Sports Illustrated and he’s, like, giving it to his kid, and he’s like, all right, son. Like, you’re going to have to do this. You have to whack it. And the kid’s like, I don’t want to whack. And he’s like, you better whack it. And then the girl comes in and slaps it on the window. And originally I was like, I’m going to point that out. That’s probably just some weird like connection that they’re putting this weird sexual energy. But then when they go up to the haunted mansion, he’s making this, this funny joke about like, look at these huge knockers.

Like, ah, let me like, like hit these huge knockers. So I was like, is this one of those like Lion King sex like, symbolism things? I wrote that down. Look at these huge size of these knockers. And I’m like, they always have to put these jokes in kids movies that could be innocent, but they’re obviously not mom and dad. Get it? Well, to me, that, that one right there. Right, the knockers one. And even like the. You have to whack it. I don’t want to whack. It’s almost like the fight club version where Tyler Durden clips in just like one frame of something really lewd.

But in this case it’s just like a line of script. It’s a word in the script, but it’s the same idea. And, and that’s how Everybody would think 2003. That’s the peak of us all talking to each other in Simpsons references. So everyone’s going to remember the Whacking Day Simpsons episode, which really doubles down on those jokes. You know, we all do Jungle Cruise, the new one that’s coming up. There’s a ton of those. There’s an entire scene that if you close your eyes, they are obviously doing a dirty thing. But again, this is, this is Disney showing you what the baseline is.

Yeah, but that’s one of the curse of the podcast when you know you’re gonna do the movie, you don’t watch it to what it’s time to do the podcast. Also, I mean, just in case it doesn’t come up until later at all. This is right kind of on the tail end of Eddie Murphy’s first big scandal when he got caught with I guess like a cross dresser prostitute and had to pay to make this whole thing go away. But this is one of the first big family centered movie, like a Disney movie that he did. And I.

And there was. There’s a couple theories on why did his career kind of take a nosedive a little bit. Like around 2011, he just stopped acting entirely for a while until the Dolomite movie, I think. And he says that it was because he just like kept getting these like razzies. But also I think he had like seven or eight different kids by a bunch of different moms. And, like, they all wanted all sorts of money. So he’s just saying yes to more and more movies. A lot of these sort of kids movies. But also that. That might have been a PR softening angle.

Like, hey, I got caught for this very adult thing, and I’ve already paid everyone off, and I’m making it go away. Now. If I double down on kid and adult movies, I can fully, like, make that thing go back into my past. Well, let’s look at the list here. I have it up in my face now. So he was doing stuff. Okay. Dr. Dual Night Professor. Some early ones. Raised Beverly Hill Cop 3, Vampire in Brooklyn, not for Kids, Nutty Professor, Dr. Doolittle, both ingredients. I don’t think this was 97 that this happened, by the way, the thing where he got pulled over with this.

He already done Nutty professor, but that was it. So we’ll skip Nutty professor. Then it’s Dr. Dolittle, Nutty Professor 2 Shrek, Dr. Dolittle 2, Adventures of Pluto Nash, Daddy Daycare, Haunted Mansion, Trek 2. Okay. Dream Girls, Norbit. He’s coming out of it by 2007. Still having to do Shreks, but, yeah, he kind of gives up on the kids movies after about 2006, 2007. So it’s like 10 years of that, and then we’re out. Yeah, he had to soften his image a little bit. I just. It just had to be said because that’s also going into this weird.

Like, this movie is acting to soften Eddie Murphy’s image after what were pretty scandalous in the 90s. Now he’d probably be applauded. You’d probably get extra ticket sales if it happened in the 2000s. Well, we did. I think we all compare completely. We did successfully, mostly. Forget about that. Now that you’re bringing up. I’m like, yeah, I was doing a podcast a year or two ago, and the guy actually brought it up and then sent a message, like, could you edit that? It sounds like I’m being like, you know, like something or other. Right. So I did edit that little part out where he was talking about, because everyone’s forgotten about it, so he thought it sounded too vindictive or something.

And. Yeah. And funny enough, it was not just one. It was like a whole handful, but this. He ended up hiring a guy that’s special. Like, he was an ex adult stripper. That’s. That turned into a lawyer that specialized in silencing, like, sexual blackmail claims for all sorts of Hollywood bigwigs. I think the the other big client that he had, aside from Eddie Murphy was John Travolta. When someone came out and said they had like a two year long sort of soiree with Travolta, it was the same guy. They called him the bag man. So it’s a wild rabbit hole to go down.

This too. Even the. The girl slash, you know, the, the. The she, her that Eddie Murphy got caught with, she ends up going on to the examiner and like, I’m gonna spill these beans. She ends up falling out of a window not soon after that. Should have just done like Q Grant did. Go and have Jay Leno talk to him. You know, that seemed to work for him. What were you thinking after he was caught on the side of the street with a prostitute? But you know, celebrities, what do you get into? You got a bunch of money, you get weird hobbies, you know, I guess that’s how it works out.

The most fun’s always Leonard Nimoy. You know, Leonard Nimoy’s hobby. Don’t ruin this for me. Don’t know. I actually think it’s kind of his. His hobby apparently has books published. Was taking nudes of large women. I’m like, okay, cool. Okay. It’s like R. Crumb. Yeah, but you never think. You look at Spock, you never think of that, right? That’s logical. Yeah. Yeah. It’s illogical. Well, it’s fine. But going through this, let’s see, Mickey Mouse luck. Oh, yeah, yeah. Neil before Butler Zod. I. I do like that little bit of casting. Always nice to see Terence Stamp.

I. I guess we’ll talk about a few of the people that are in this movie. Good cast. Wallace Shawn is in here. I always like to see Wallacean. Jennifer Tilly is Madame Leota. I want to know where the somber, creepy butlers come from. Is there like a factory making these guys? Because he did it perfectly. But it’s such an archetype. Ramsley. Yeah. What a weird name too. I mean, I guess. And I think it was encoded that half of the people watching us and we probably are thinking of, you know, Zod or Terence Stamp playing some horrible gangster or something.

You know, like just that actor. It’s. You cast him because he’s already got things baked in if you know him, you know, same as Wallace. Sean. So I, I think the soulless part too, of these butlers, it’s that you have to under respond to any crazy seven deadly sins that your master’s engaging after, like gorging them if they’re, you know, Engaging in gluttony or they’re engaging in any of the seven deadly sins. You kind of just have to be like, yes, master, ho hum. Like you can’t have a response to one more than the other because then they feel you’re being judgmental and then they kill you.

They gotta roll with it stoically. Like, I am so unimpressed with what’s going on. Like you could dial it up, Master, and it wouldn’t bother me. See, say if it not been Terence Stamp, but been a Malcolm McDowell who also would have fit this role pretty well. But he might have had a little bit too much spice. Not quite droll enough, you know. Yeah, Tim Curry doesn’t make as good of a butler even though he’s been a butler. Like he’s a suspicious butler. No, he needs to be a Frank N. Furter if he’s going to be in the Haunted Mansion.

Right? That’s what this movie needs. Well, no, that’s exactly what Eddie Murphy did not need in this movie. He did not need to make Rocky Horror. I like how they rolled out all the classic, like peeping through a picture. The mansion, like the library has a secret passage, if you like. This is absolutely the top thing on my bucket list is that before I die I need to live in a mansion that has a secret bookshelf room that goes somewhere. Oh yeah. Even if it’s just a gun, A gun cabinet for now. But it needs. I need to have that.

Well, actually, back to the parks in Disney. See, there’s Magellan’s, which is kind of the nicest restaurant. And it’s got a big. That’s the. I mentioned before. That’s the sea headquarters. Right. And you can. There’s a special. There’s a quote unquote secret door where they have to, you know, do that sort of thing. And it goes into the secret wine cellar which also has a dining room. So that’s the. That’s the speakeasy door that goes on to where the sacrifices happen, I assume. Yes, basically that’s that. And actually that when I ate there, that’s where they took me.

So I did eat in the weird secret wine cellar. Of course, that’s. That’s no cobwebs and stuff. That’s. That’s nice and you know, shiny or whatever. I feel like they’ve modeled it after like Jeffrey Epstein’s dungeon. Well, it’s actually supposed to look like Renaissance Y, so it would be more like Leonardo da Vinci’s dungeon if he had a dungeon. I think the building next to. It’s called, like, the Leonardo Challenge or something. So that’s the vibe they’re going for, you know, age of exploration. I actually have some random trivia for this one that I just found when I was looking up some notes.

One of them is that the red sofa that we see in that library is the same red sofa from 20,000 Leagues under the Sea. And that also the organ that we see in this movie also comes from that movie. So Disney was kind of planting some cool little Easter eggs in there. And then when you were mentioned before, the. In the ride, when you’re riding through, and then you can see this ghost that’s, like, sitting next to you, or a ghost that’s supposed to be, like, your part of your reflection. They do that in this movie where Eddie Murphy walks by and he looks into this mirror.

But it is one of the worst, I guess, Disney CGI zombie kind of looks, which normally you’re like, okay, 2003, whatever. But they also had Rick Baker on this movie that they could have just had him do some kind of practical effects, if you don’t know. Rick Baker, Exorcist, American Werewolf in London, Thriller, Men in Black movie series. So they had the firepower to actually make a cool, scary Eddie Murphy. And I was wondering, is this another one of those bumpers that they put on? Like, well, this is a kids movie, so if we do a cheesier CGI version that doesn’t, you know, make it look as real versus having one of the matte.

Like, the American Werewolf in London is one of my favorite practical effects horror scenes. Right. Where he’s, like, transforming. So it might be. Eddie Murphy does not want to spend eight hours in the makeup chair. I mean, really. He’s like, well, you can see gear, right? Why do I need to do that? I. I suppose. Yeah. It’s not out of the realm of possibility. I mean, let’s be honest. If you had that star power and that was an option, you might just be, like, just cg. I don’t care. I mean, again, I’m not Eddie Murphy, but I feel like it would be an honor to have practical effects makeup for, like, an industry legend just to say that you did.

But that’s just me. Yeah, but you got plans that evening. You don’t want to have to show up early. I gotta. I gotta pick someone up from the corner later on tonight. Yeah. Really? But I’m just like. Yeah. I mean, I can see, like, where someone like Eddie Murphy would just be like. Even if he was like, that would be cool, man. I just don’t want to do that. That’s annoying. I mean, hell, I don’t know if I’d want to do that. Might be annoying. Although. Yeah, I’m like, Rick Baker, you do it once, and then four hours in, you’d be like, oh, my God, why did I say yes to this? And obviously, Eddie Murphy has done that before because he was the Nutty Professor.

There we go. Maybe he’s got psych from being the Nutty professor and spending those eight hours in a chair. So for one shot in the Haunted Mansion, it’s like. Good point. That’s actually a really good point. Yeah. And Norbit, isn’t that another one of his movies? That’s later. So he got over it at some point, I guess, but. And he had just made the Nutty professor, too, when he did this, so he might have just been all makeup. Doubt. I don’t know, man. Those are. Some of his most iconic roles are when he’s all, like, dressed up in, like, these elaborate costumes and.

And makeup. What? Isn’t he also the one that turned into the white guy for, like, an SNL skit or something? That’s a sketch. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. Fantastic one. But, I mean, he’s a stranger to. To. To having lots of makeup on. Yeah. Nutty professor and that sequel, obviously. Bowfinger. No, he’s just weird in that one. He doesn’t have the makeup, actually. Mostly is the nutty. Okay. The clumps. He did the clumps. I. I never saw any sequels. But Norbit. Yeah, Norbit. Tons of that. So after Norbit, it looks like he has not been in coming to America 2 did.

How many characters do you play in that? I don’t remember. That’s recent, though, right? That’s a. That’s a fairly newer movie. He plays 1, 2, 3, 4 roles. Yeah. A movie. I can’t remember if I watched or not. Did I watch the sequel? It’s very. I think it’s very new, like, within the last five or six years. No, it is. It is. It was 2021. I watched the original recently. Maybe I watched the original instead of watching a sequel. I don’t know remember anymore. It’s. It’s not horrible. It’s serviceable, but it’s nowhere near the first one.

Right. His Dolomite movie is actually legitimately entertaining. I haven’t seen that because I regularly rewatch Rudy Ray Moore movies, and I. I don’t want to see Eddie Murphy. I don’t know. I should Watch it. He does it justice. Okay, I should watch. But I’m like, well, I could put that on, or I could watch Disco Godfather, you know, so Disco Godfather usually wins in that little lineup. Petey Wheat Straw, the devil’s son in law. Yeah, I just. I just have to break the tension on this one issue too. But, like, maybe one of the better Disney all black movies, because that clearly it’s a sub genre within the offerings that they’ve got.

Yeah, this one is actually done really well, and they don’t lean into it at any particular point. It just happens to be a black family going, no, you’ve cast Eddie Murphy, obviously. It makes sense 100%. But there was one scene in particular that I was like, this is that, like, stereotypical black comedy. But they did it in such a funny way where Jennifer Tilly is talking to him and she’s like, I summon the dark spirits. And he’s like, you. You better not be summoning no dark spirits up in here. Like, I just thought the way that he delivered this.

This line, it was kind of hilarious. The. The new one does that too, with a few of the main characters. Then we got owen Wilson, Danny DeVito in there. But yeah, they do kind of keep that vibe. In the 2023 one, though, it is not a family. It’s a bereft astrophysicist, a. A mother and son who are trapped or, you know, have to keep coming back. Once you enter the door, you have to keep entering. So that. That concept just made the 2023 one, like, more interesting for me somehow. Just that one little thing, like, really helped for me to be interested in the movie.

Did you notice she prays to the dark spirits, and then he prays to the wizard of Oz. When he’s doing his little prayer, he’s like, no place like home. No place like home. Right. That’s the second wizard of Oz reference in this movie. Yeah. What was the other? The other one was the over the Rainbow. You’re flipping podcast again. That was an Ava. We sometimes record these back to back. Neon Genesis Evangelion has a ship called over the Rainbow. So it’s your second. It’s your second Wizard Oz reference for today, but not for the Haunted Mansion.

That said, I’m sure there’s probably another one somewhere in or around the Haunted Mansion. It seems like a good place for those references. You know, there was also a. Another kind of 2003 dated reference in here, aside from the Nelly song that comes on at the end. But when they’re describing to Jim, Eddie Murphy in this movie, what’s happening to his wife that she is essentially needs to marry the old owner of the house, who thinks that she’s the modern version of his dead wife. It’s. It’s a little complicated. It’s not that bad. But he’s like, so you’re telling me that some ghost wants to get jiggy with my wife? And I was just like, man, that is so directly out of the early 2000s with the will Smith getting jiggy with it.

And then I went down a fair, according to Chat gbt, a controversial rabbit hole. But I was like, where does the word jiggy come from? And long story short, it comes from the word jig, like as in dancing and stuff and, and kind of being, you know, silly and, and frivolous. But also that there’s a relationship to like the minstrel show kind of, because there’s a derogatory word that starts with. With the prefix jig as well, which I always thought that’s what the Will Smith song was about. So then I was like, we actually have a reference to a derogatory, fairly derogatory term in this Disney movie that’s kind of getting slipped in again.

Just early 2000s were a different time than 2000s. Yeah. I mean, it’s like you look at children’s nursery rhymes and, you know, bring around the Rosies now about the Black Plague or something. Right? Well, I think it always was. Yeah, they’re carry. You just didn’t know that. Yeah, yeah. Just as an example that barely, you know, goes through a phase of transition or two. It just. It is what it is. You know, I, I liked that it was adjacent to a giant, spooky graveyard. Giant graveyard. Like, as far as your eye could see, there were gravestones.

I’m like, I actually want to kind of live here. Like, this looks awesome. Really looks peaceful. Although it can be off putting because, you know, I, I have enough of a meditation thing. Like during my lunch break, I’ll find a temple and there’s some temples. Like, do I want to do a meditate at the. The temple that has a very large graveyard next to it or the one that doesn’t, you know, and occasionally, just because of practicality, you end up. It’s got to be the one with the graveyard. But I tend to kind of avoid that if I can, you know, like, eavesdrop on you.

It just feels weird. Well, a few days ago there’s this one where I go in and it’s. It’s summer, so I Open one of the sliding doors to try, but the wind’s not coming through, so I just have to go around the other side and sit on the ledge where I’m overlooking. Like, not quite this haunted mansion graveyard, but a pretty notable one. I’m like. It feels slightly weird, but. Yeah, I don’t know. I guess. Is that. Is that. Am I being deadest? Am I being like, biased against the dead in that case? Well, you don’t want them to come home with you.

No, no, no. Are any of you guys creeped out by graveyards? My wife is. Yeah. Like. Like, do you think if you went to a graveyard and like deface the grave, for example, do you think there’s a chance that you could get haunted or have some kind of karmic retribution? Bad karma. I could go as bad karma for that. Yeah. I. I used to make my parents drive me through the graveyard when I was a little kid. I don’t know why we. One of those dumb family games you play is, especially when we were driving through countryside areas, you would count the cows on your side of the car, and those were your cows.

But if you. If there’s a graveyard on your side of the road, you lose all your cows like that. Yeah. I can’t play it in Japan so easily. Not so many cows and not so many graveyards just on the side of the road. So there’s a few. Honestly, the scenes where they’re in the graveyard, it’s kind of awesome looking. It’s very oingo boingo. It’s like, you know, like dead man’s party and they’re all having a good time and hanging out. It doesn’t look too bad. Oh yeah. You want to move on because in the ride, that’s the party, right? That’s where everyone’s singing and dancing.

There is a concept here too. The farther the ghosts get away, the more dead they are. So when you get to the mausoleum, it’s zombies when they take the hurts. While Lean is now like spectral, where he looks human inside the mansion. So maybe that’s why the hitchhiking ghost drag you back, because they can’t go that far away. And then there’s also one evolved version of these ghosts where you just turn into a blue orb of energy, I guess. Will o’ the wisp. Maybe that’s the enlightened ghost. Yeah, yeah, I think they call it that too.

They call it a ghost ball. Instead of basketball, they got the ghost ball. And I wonder, I mean, is. Why is there just one ghost ball? What makes that ghost ball special? It didn’t. It didn’t seem like they spelled out the different rules and the levels here. I thought that was the mom’s spirit or the dead lady’s spirit that’s trying to come back. Right. But how come all the other ghosts can, you know, turn into, like, actual ghosts or turn into statues or. Everyone has this other physical form except for the one they care about. She’s kind of ghost zero, right for the situation.

Like, she was the one that kind of cursed the place, so she could be different than that. I mean, I’m just talking. I mean, it’s a plot hole. Yes, I’m just. Because the body was. Has to be used by the mom. So the ghost ball needed the current body of the moment. Did. I also was getting Beetlejuice vibes from the. The plot of this movie where the only way to un. Haunt the house is to marry the guy that’s haunting it, which sounds like the end of the original Beetlejuice movie. Have you done the second one? I haven’t done the second one yet.

Well, I’m. I love. I love both of them. Honestly. A lot of people complain about second one. I absolutely love. Oh, I’ve heard mostly good things about the second one. I just haven’t gotten around to it. I’m wondering now, between Beetlejuice and this movie, does a marriage unhaunt a house? Like, is this an actual. Because the only other version that I know from, you know, Catholicism is like the straight up coming and blessing a house where you get a priest to go through the rooms with holy water and do the little, you know, thing. But what about marriage? Like, could you just get married in a haunted house and that won’t haunt it? Do you have to marry the ghost and the haunted Mary, the ghost, obviously? Yeah.

Well, it’s funny you mentioned that, because we’re having a house blessing in two weeks. Our priests. Our orthodox priest is gonna come and Is this preventative maintenance or are you actually trying to, like, remove an existing ghost? We do it once a year. I’m usually after Christmas time. But we have. We have a house that. We haven’t had it done here, so he’s just gonna come and do it. But it’s. Yeah, it’s just like a spiritual cleansing. They do holy water, they sing songs, and they’re not too worried about hauntings in the Orthodox Church because those.

Well, ghosts are not real, for one, in that way of thinking. But the demons don’t really have a lot of power against Christ and You mentioned is getting married, going to unhaunt the house. So in looking at like esoteric stuff, all kinds of magic books, tantra, occult, spirit world, all that stuff, what I’ve sort of figured out is that sexual energy attracts spirits. Right. And are they more attracted to like extramarital relationships like once you’re married? Okay, I don’t know, I don’t know how to explain this, but it’s like the marriage covenant sort of puts a veil in between you and the spirit world so that you have more privacy.

That’s. I don’t know, I. I don’t know who to talk to about these things, but it’s like there’s something about that that protects you and you know, it encapsulates this like holy experience so that there is, there is some house blessing in Japan where a priest might come. And I don’t think it’s usually like a belief thing, it’s kind of like a tradition thing. But an interesting thing is when a family is gone from the house or, you know, dies away or whatever, people don’t buy old houses. If you buy a plot of land with a house on it, chances are they’re going to raise the house and build a new one.

I mean, you know, even temples, they get rebuilt like to their original specs. But most temples are not that old. They’ve. They’ve been rebuilding this thing for a thousand years to apparently the specs. But it’s regularly rebuilt and no one lived in your house before you. You know, families can continue. Can I like move into a house that someone died in in Japan and get like pennies on the dollar? Probably, yeah. Especially if you want to live in the countryside. There’s plenty of abandoned houses that have not yet been raised because no one lives there right now.

Villages that are almost underpopulated. That’s what the ring was about, wasn’t it? Kind of. Yeah. But that’s the point, that that house is haunted. Like because if the house remains and you don’t take it down before you build your new house, chances are you’re going to get haunted. Even, even some families, I’ve heard, I’ve had a lot of students, like adult students where like, yeah, we build a house next to my parents house and they’ll probably tear down the parents house when the parents die and then maybe their grandkids end up building another house there if the family all feels like hanging around the same plot of land.

Now my wife’s family house, the one I’m in here, this house was built for this family in the late 90s, I think, and they’ve been here since the late 90s. There’s a more traditional Japanese family house with a fortami room that is a very old house. I found pictures of that that are 100 years old. And it seems the family’s been there forever. So in that case, the house is fine because it’s been, you know, like centuries of the same family there. Did you come across the stuff about the backstory that they wanted to give the house? The Haunted House? They were gonna make a TV show about it.

Like, you remember he had the weekly television Disneyland show again, the plotline of Beetlejuice 2. So the haunted Mansion was gonna be an episode of this. And they had a whole thing about the Bloodmyre family and their lineage and, like, how it haunted this house in Louisiana and how they brought this house all the way from the bayou to Los Angeles because it was a special architectural. This was like, just the story they’re telling you about the haunted house, Right. But it was narrated by Walt himself, and they were going to call it the Architectural Conservation Project.

And the story was that they brought the house to Disneyland, and then everything started to go wrong. Like, they would do work on it, and the next day they would get there, and all the work they had done would be undone. It would be a mess. And so they had all of these tall tales about, like, carpenters disappearing and stuff like that. Well, yeah, just sat the house, sat there for five years with no attraction, like, at the physical park. So, yeah, which. That’s nice and creepy. I mean, they put a pretty banger ride in there.

Would I call the Haunted Match my favorite ride at Disneyland? I might. That or the Honey Hunt. We have the Honey Hunt in Tokyo. If. If we were to classify. If we were to separate dark rides from, like, ride rides, I’d say it’s my favorite dark ride for sure. Okay, well, how about ride rides, since we’re on the question. I don’t know, man. That New Guardians is not horrible. And. But honestly, because of nostalgic reasons, because I was on it, like, over 200 times, Tower of Terror is, for me, a better ride than Haunted Mansion. Okay.

No, the Haunted Mansion is usually, like, if I go to the park. That’s. Unless there’s a good reason not to, like, oh, my God, this. There’s no line at this one. I’ll usually go to Haunted Mansion first. So it’s. It’s a nice, cool one because you get out of, like, the. The heat and at least in Orlando, you get out of the heat and humidity and like, you kind of get missed a little bit. There’s like, AC blowing and it’s. It’s a nice break from walking around the hot park. No, last week was pretty hot and humid in Tokyo.

So that was the last time I went to. There was like, a huge group of like, either Mormon or Amish girls. Like, I wanted to say Amish, but I don’t. I don’t know what the rules are and like, all of the guard. But it was like the entire ride when you go into the little elevator and the. The walls start like, slipping down, and it just made it a little bit extra creepy. I will say in the Tokyo one, I cannot tell if the ceiling is going up or the. The floor or it is an elevator.

I cannot tell. So good job with that. I guess I was trying to figure, because I know in Florida, the ceiling’s moving up. In California, it’s an elevator. And I could not. I can’t tell what Tokyo is doing. So the illusion was good. I got stuck at the top of Tower of Terror. We didn’t know if it was going to break or drop or what. We were just hanging up there. It adds more exciting add to the experience, because now you’re like, I might actually get hurt now. I was scared. Their babies were crying. Women were like, why do we do this? It was, like, not good.

I was also disappointed. I was five minutes away from getting a walk off of the scary Snow White, which we still have in Tokyo. It broke down right before I was about to get on. I was like, if it had been like, five minutes later, I would have been in the middle of the ride. I would have been stuck there with the which screaming at me for, like, five minutes. That would have been awesome. I got another ghost physics question that maybe you guys have answers to, even if it’s all speculative, that when they meet these busts out in the cemetery and it’s kind of a barbershop quartet and they’re singing all these different songs.

But it seems that some of the songs, even for their time period, are a little bit more modern than what they would have known when they died. And it’s like, how do go. How would those ghosts know about newer music? And one of the theories that I’ve. I guess I’ve been playing around with my head is that ghosts understand technology because, like, the spirit boxes that people use to, like, communicate with ghosts, and some of them, they’re made in different ways, but some of them will whip through different Radio stations, AM stations, and just play little blips of sounds, and then someone will listen to those blips of sound and try and formulate sentences and structures out of those things.

But I always wondered, too, does that mean that ghosts have to know how to interact with radio waves? Like, they got to be computer nerd ghosts, or at least smart enough ghosts to know how to manipulate and listen to these. And that would be the only way that I think that these barbershop quartet ghosts would have been up to date, is that they can sort of perceive these radio waves so they know what’s on the radio. And I don’t know. What do you think about that theory? Well, production answers. Those are the Dapper Dance, which is the barbershop quartet that’s regularly on Main street in Disneyland.

So they just pulled them off Main street and had them sing. So they probably didn’t think about the advantage of the songs. Dapper Dan’s Main Street. It’s all old stuff, right? Do your thing. Well, you’ve heard that old story about how the. One of the magicians from the golden dawn built the cathode ray tube to communicate with ghosts, and that became the television. Oh, who was that? Was it Farnsworth? Or was it the English guy, William Crooks? I didn’t know he was oto. I know that he was a spiritualist. Golden Dawn. Golden dawn, yeah. Yeah. I didn’t know that.

No. Yeah, so that’s how we got television. He was trying to. He thought that the ghost could move the particles on the other side of the screen. This is also what Alexander Graham Bell thought. Alexander Graham Bell thought that there were spirits that were taking what I was saying and then carrying them through, you know, wires and then relaying them to you, that it wasn’t my voice, it was a spirit carrying my voice to you. It could be like it’s the same medium. The same medium used for different reasons. If I’m surfing on the ocean or if I’m a squid at the bottom of the ocean, we’re very different things using the same medium.

Right, Good point. And the medium stuff comes up in the 2023 Haunted Mansion, if you want to shift over to that in a second. Yeah. And the spectral photography, which was another big plus on that one. And a. Yeah. Thomas, I would just say put on a wiki, you know, summary. That’s probably good enough to follow along. And it’s not that complicated a movie. I got my last Note for the 2003 version, and I want to hear this comparison of the 2023. The. The last note I have on here was that Ramsley, the evil butler, he thinks that Elizabeth is the wife, or at least he knows that that’s what he needs to do is cook the.

The wife up. And in order to do this, he holds the hit the kids hostage. He basically knows that they’re trapped and they could be harmed. And he’s like, sure would be a shame to see, you know, these, these kids ears fall into any harm. And he actually, this is the quote from the movie says it’s up to you, but I really do fear for your children. So it’s kind of like the decision is on you, mom, on whether or not you want to play ball, but something bad might happen to your kids if you don’t do this.

And my immediate thought was this is Disney marketing in a nutshell. It’s like, hey, your kids are in danger and we’re kind of holding them hostage a little bit. Us, the Disney Corporation, through influence in the media. And they have to like, your kids have to go and watch these Disney movies and they have to buy a little Disney tchotchkes. Otherwise I fear for your kids. Otherwise they might be ostracized. So I just don’t learn how to read analogy here. Yeah, right. You don’t want weird children, do you, Thomas? Did you learn to read from those Disney books? That would be 100 if you did.

Because when you’re saying it’s like, that’s how I learned. I absolutely had a telephone that you would like, pick up the phone and dial Mickey or you would, like, dial Goofy or something. I remember having that, but I know I learned to read through another piction, what they call a pictograph book. No, I just remember my mom’s story. She found me hiding behind a couch at age 3 or something, reading, because no one else my age could read. So I thought I wasn’t supposed to be able to, so I was doing it in secret. That was me, the playboy.

Yeah. All alone in my room with my scene. Says one of my favorite ones was the Three Little Pigs too. And that wolf really scared me a lot. I don’t know why. Yeah, that’s where you’re saying that’s like, I haven’t thought about that for four decades plus. You know, I mean, I’m like, oh, yeah, I did that, didn’t I? Crazy. So that’s a little insinuation of, you know, being a toddler already having this stuff, like in my craw, more or less, which does. Sometimes we can sing or talk about how objective are we? You know, we’re not even sure.

Sometimes it’s so baseline in our culture. Well, I want to hear about the 2023 and how it compares to the 2003. Well, it’s more. I mean, I guess it has brides and stuff. It’s a little more chase. The idea is that crump, which is the hatbox ghost, technically played by Jared Leto. I was very happy that you don’t really notice Jared Leto because I don’t recognize his voice and you just get a flash of his face. So you don’t have to deal with that much Leto. But yeah, that he has to commit 1,000 people and he’s at 999.

He spent the past few decades luring people into the haunted mansion. When they die, he gets another soul. This is how his cult works too, right? Yeah. So he’s got what, like five, six, seven people that have become trapped and he’s waiting for one of them to die to finish because he just needs one more person. Well, this one was a lot more scientific and technical. So it opens in New Orleans like the other one. But the. This one centers around quantum physics. CERN astrophysicist is the. So I haven’t seen this one in a couple years.

I’m just going off my notes. But the main character, she says he’s a rocket scientist, but he’s an astrophysicist. Right. And he creates. Yeah. So he says he’s currently working on the formula to map dark matter. And then he starts going off about quantum mechanics and says he’s trying to see the unseen. So this is a little more Golden Donny technical. Well, it’s another good place for a Houdini poster, really. And then the girl in this, she gives ghost tours. So he is the science and she is the spirituality of it. Is that that classic Scully molder kind of combination.

She dies, though, and he kind of takes her place giving the ghost tours. Like he kind of puts the astrophysics in the back burner and is now he’s doing what she did. So he’s kind of went, gone over to the spiritualist side. A few years later when the movie’s proper plot gets going, it’s a little more convoluted in that way. But yeah, you know, you have to have like eight backstories in your. Maybe at some point they wanted to make a 10 episode TV series out of this. You know, that’s how things roll these days. Now, does he believe in hauntings and ghosts at this point? No.

Not until after he dies. Right. And then he starts to believe maybe he can get in contact. And this is what happened during the rise of, like, spiritualism. What is even that word? Spirit spiritualism. Yeah. In, like, the turn of the century. So you had a lot of widows that were lonely and grieving and wanting to contact their, you know, husband on the other side. And that’s like the perfect mark, too, for con men is somebody who is wanting to believe that they talk to their loved one. We get that too, though. Owen Wilson’s character presents himself as a priest, but actually is a con man for what you’re just saying.

So we get that character in the movie as well. So a little. A little poo poo on. On the organized religion there, I guess. Well, that. That spiritualist movement, too, it sort of coincided in a big way with the Civil War, at least in the States. Civil war. And this is also the reason that the Ouija board kind of kicked off so quickly is that so many people lost their husbands and brothers and sons that there was this surge in people that were trying to get closure where, you know, your husband or your son just goes away and just never comes back.

You don’t hear about what happened. You don’t know where they died, if they died. So the. The Ouija boards in a spiritualism movement were kind of at, like a perfect storm moment. Right. Where, like, there was a huge demand and then someone just figured out this really nice supply for table knocking and all the other practices that went along with it. And this is. Yeah. Of your crystal ball, too. So, like, Madame Leona would be from that sort of era, too. Yeah, she’s like, in the 2003, Mamlito is just kind of like weird lady in a ball that becomes their pet by the end, which is kind of weird here.

She does have a little more purpose to the plot and such. So I guess. I guess that’s good because I don’t know that. I mean, that’s a very memorable room in the ride. So which they do put tarot up for. For the Halloween overlay. Halloween Christmas overlay, where they do the Nightmare Before Christmas. They change Madame Leota’s room into full tarot. So maybe that’s why they were flashing them at the beginning of. Of that movie. But I just had to say they underutilized Jennifer tilly in the 2003 version. Yeah, they only got her head. Yeah. Horror movie babe, right? Bride of Chucky and everything.

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Oh, yeah. Well, the new one, they got Jamie Lee Curtis the same Thing. Right. You know, I guess that’s just. You want a certain type to. To be Ma’ am. Leota, which in the ride itself, I think it was one of the few female imagineers in the 60s. And then her daughter does the Halloween voice. So I guess they looked real similar. So at least filmer. Again, there is the heads and the gravestones where there was a theory once for a little while that one of them was intentionally made to look like Walt Disney.

I don’t know. We know they can’t intentionally make things look like Walt Disney, though, because they just made that robot in California and they. I gotta say again, not. Not to go back to the f. The first movie, but in the 2003 one, when they go and meet the Barbershop Quartet, the fourth head looks almost identical to Walt Disney. That’s. I think that’s a reference, because the ride one does, too. Okay. Those were my favorite, I think, when I was a kid. I really liked those guys. I made a little. Oh, go ahead. I was just gonna say some of the references that they were pulling from for this ride was those old Silly Symphonies.

Remember his, like, old black and white cartoons, like with the skeletons dancing. Right, right, right. And there was, like, spooky graveyard scenes. So they were trying to incorporate those old, old black and white first cartoons in there. And then there was. One of those cartoons was actually called Four Lonely Ghosts, and it was about the ghost luring Mickey and Donald into the haunted house. Yeah. If you. It’s not Disney, but if you want to have a really wild time, put on the early 30s Betty Boop ones with Cab Calloway and Louis Armstrong. Those are absolutely. That was Snow White.

That was the Snow White episode of Betty. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That’s been a while. Hey, we’re pretty far down this list. I don’t remember what we said three years ago. I’ll bring up five timer stories. No, I was just saying I’m having a little bit. I watched the 2023 one three nights ago, but I took the pleasure of not taking notes and just watching it, which I usually don’t do for a podcast. But I was like, this isn’t technically the one we’re doing, so I’m just going by memory alone on that one. So who else is in that? Rosario Dawson.

She’s a single mom who has to blend with the other guy. Right. The guy who lost his girlfriend. Right, right. Yeah. So. So it’s. It’s not like there’s already a constructed family as there is in the 2003 version. These are all kind of like people that are a little more like lost and. Or broken, you know, which. Yeah, it’s more of a motley crew. He’s grieving, she’s alone. Son is, you know, needs a father figure. And they move into the mansion. Surprise. It’s haunted. Big surprise. Right. And I do like how you end up just with this, like, bizarre group of people that are trapped together where 2003 is this basically this family and the ghosts only.

Whereas this is like people who would not be associating probably outside of being stuck in the haunted mansion. So like a 13 ghosts kind of situation. I guess. So it’s been 25 years since I’ve seen that, but perhaps also. Right. Or not. Or what’s the one where they’re trapped in a mansion and Owen Wilson’s in it and Catherine Zeta Jones. Oh, is that in. Is that the Thai one? Or is there anything. Maybe I’m thinking of something else. Yes. Yes. Okay. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I kind of like that, actually. I remember people didn’t, but I did.

Yeah. I was gonna say, I. We get astral projection in the 2023, which. That’s. Disney’s been pushing that since, like, you know, Dr. Strange was pushing that a lot. Right. We. So that was a Disney thing in the mcu. We’re getting it in here. I. I’ve said on your podcast, I’ll say asteroid projections, a thing. I. I sometimes check the phone in the morning and I realized that that wasn’t the real phone. You know, that sort of thing. I thought George Lucas was dead for like a week once. Thomas, do you remember that show we did about the occult movies? Oh, absolutely.

And the Mysteries of Myra. They had the astral projection in that. And I was really impressed by what they were able to do way back in. And it wasn’t just normal astral projection. They had an inventor that made an astral projection chair that sort of. It sounded just like the Montauk chair where if you found someone that had some kind of a psychic connection, that this would amplify it in a way. And they had that hypnotizing machine that actually really hypnotized her in real life. Yeah. Like a little MK Ultra chair. Yeah. They were way ahead of.

And this was what years were the Mysteries of Myra. This is like early 1900s. Yeah. I can look it up to see, like the tens. 1910s or something. I’ll. I’ll link that episode in the. In the comments for anyone that’s watching. Okay, good. Because I Was looking for what are early examples, and I was sitting there. There’s altered States, but that. That’s more of like a float tank sort of thing. So Mysteries of Myra was 1916. And they absolutely talk about an astral projection event, like technology mixed with astral projection. I guess in the early 20th century, though, Pete, that would have been like all the rage.

Right. And then kind of forgotten about for a while. The Time Machine and all the Jules Verne stuff. And again, the 20,000 leagues under the Sea, that’s all kind of in that same sphere, I think, of Victorian technology mixed with spiritualism. Where is spiritualism, I guess, in the modern world? Yeah, that’s the Myra, the pan with the thumbs. You see that? Yeah, yeah. Kind of has that Caligari, Dr. Caligari vibe, which I. I always dig. So. Yeah. Are there any other big notes in the 2023 movie or should we. Oh, yeah, for sure. So we’ve got the God Particle they talk about, but they call it the Ghost particle.

And cern. And so you’ve got the Catholic Church, which is Owen Wilson, Father Kent. Right. And, well, he’s a con man, though, so. Yeah. So now we’re getting into like Dan Brown, angels and demons, cern, punching holes in the dimensions. Right. Trying to peer into the other side. Like, we were talking about the quantum lens, they call it. So the hero, Ben, has to investigate Rosario Dawson’s house. He doesn’t believe her and now he’s possessed. And like we were talking about the ghosts follow him home, like at the end of the ride. And I said, bedbugs.

What was the bedbugs in here? Was there bed bugs? I think they were physical, large bugs or something. Again, I’m coming at a loss because I didn’t bother taking notes. So the house traps you there, right. They go to a psychic. The. One of the lore is the mansion appeared fully built, so it just appeared out of nowhere. And then all of these, like, crazy things were happening. 66 people died there, they say, right, we’re at 909. No, 66 in the past 80 years or whatever since. Since the attempted banishment. So in all, we’re looking at 999.

Because they’re like, oh, it’s just 6, 933. We have plenty of time. It’s like, oh, that was 80 years ago. There’s been 66 deaths since. Well, so the house has been just like mousetrapping people, cockroach hoteling, Hotel California people, if we’ve got any numerology, crackpots watching. 66 is a magical number of the dark side. I don’t know if you’re aware of that. So that’s called the number of the clefot or the dark side of the tree of life. And even in Star wars you hear them say execute order 66 and that’s when they kill all the child Jedis.

So there’s your 66 right there. And then 999. I mean, what is the inversion of that would be 666. Right? You better not invert that. All you have to do is turn it around. It’s easy. It’s easy to invert. It’s one of the easiest numbers to invert. Try inverting 17. You’re not gonna. You’re gonna get Lee. I believe those were also Hitler’s last words. What? What? Lee? 999. So the medium. Yeah, you were talking about Madame Leota. She was a medium to the elite, they said, as part of her history. And the house even had a seance room.

Secret as you do. Yeah. I mean you got to have the picture with the eyes cut out. You have to have the secret layer that you get to through the bookshelves and you have to have your like heads following you. Yeah. There’s another weird thing that it wasn’t in this movie, but in the early 1900s they had like the whole living room thing was like, actually how. Because there was also a death room. But there was also, I guess there was. I’m gonna butcher some of this. But there was a superstition about bringing a casket with a dead body in it in and out the front door.

Like it had some bad juju in it. So in some of these older houses from the, the, the late 1900s, early 20th century, they’d have this little window that was, I think, in the death room that you would slide the casket outside of the house through this tiny little casket sized window. And all these houses had a little casket window just for this purpose. Again in two weeks, two weeks from now in Japan, as of this recording, every family in Japan is going to be inviting the spirits of their dead relatives into the home for three days.

So. And they were called casket windows or coffin windows. That was the actual name for those. Wow. Like a dumbwaiter for coffins. I assume if you had a dumb waiter in your house, you probably had a casket window. Yeah, some nice old timey stuff. Things we don’t have in our houses anymore. I wonder if you ask your contractor to install a casket window, how they will respond. Hh Holmes. There’s a guy that had many casket windows, for sure. And casket doors and casket closets. If you have a favorite serial killer, that would be mine. Who’s your favorite serial killer? Okay.

Oh, oh, okay. Yeah, sure. That sounds like, well, he’s got the house to go with him, you know, so can I say Anthony Fauci? Am I we allowed to say that yet? That’s not a fun one. He didn’t build a house like that. Yeah, I thought it was interesting that the God’s representative in this movie is ineffective and shady. So that’s the priest represented, you know, by Owen Wilson. He’s a con man. The real hero is science and mysticism because she draws a Vesica Pisces to illustrate the realms of the living and the dead. I’m sure you guys know what that is, right? The two interlocking circles.

There’s also circumpunk on the floor, which is just a, a dot with a circle around it. But that is a super heavy mystical symbol. I’m sure you guys all know it’s like fire. It’s the sun. It’s hermaphroditic. It’s a lot of things. The monad too, right? Pythagorian monad. So there’s some more serious esoteric things in the 2023 one than there was in the 2003 one. I mean, talking about high science, quantum mechanics, CERN, stuff like that. I guess that’s what I’m bringing up with the, you know, recent movies with more astral projection. I, I, maybe as a society, we are going back to spiritualism.

Because I, I know, especially five years ago, it’s like, oh, yeah, there’s a big thing in the 30s, you know, when you’re talking about Snow White and stuff. Oh, it’s big in the 30s. People don’t get that references, but maybe people are getting those references more and more. It’s getting a little more mainstream, like we see in movies like the 2023 Hauna Mansion. I think too, that, like the, the new prevalence of AI, people are starting to take AI as this new version of a crystal ball and tarot cards and, you know, using spirit boxes. Yes, that could be the case.

Like, yeah, I haven’t, I haven’t messed. I’d be more likely to rock out a set of tarot cards and do that with AI myself. But it’s actually harder to do it with the cards, isn’t it? I think it’s more fun. Like we’re not there yet, but pretty sure that in 10 years, if they make another Haunted Mansion movie, I guess you have to wait 20 years. Well, when they do the next one, the kids are gonna. Instead of in the 2003, they got a Nokia phone, right? I assume in 2023 they probably have a smartphone. In the next iteration, they’ll probably have like their little AI device.

Using AI to communicate with ghosts. It just seems like a natural progr. Don’t hold your breath. For a new haunted mansion. The 2023 had a budget of 150 million and a box office of 117.5. They put this thing out not at Halloween, but right against Barbenheimer for some reason. So. Oops. But yeah, this one, it has a pretty bad reputation. So again, that’s why I was like, let’s do 2003. Which makes sense. That one is kind of becoming a new hocus pocus for a lot of people. But. But yeah, after, like you said, there’s so much more esoteric stuff in the 2023, and it was kind of a little more watchable.

I thought, in the future, the kids are going to have pocket particle colliders. Ooh, CERN in your pocket. Yeah. Is that a CERN in your pocket or. You’ll have a thousand particle colliders in your pocket. Who knows when the world ends? The world ends. I don’t know. There’s gotta be a dirty joke in there somewhere. Particles colliding. Lighter in your. Yeah. Are you happy to see me? So the dude had too many seances in his house and he opened the Blood gate realm and hundreds of spirits came through. But not his dead wife. The only one he didn’t have to kill.

933 people. They just came straight there. Okay, I missed that point. I was going with a much more violent version of this by his own dead wife. 66 murders still makes him a serial killer from beyond the grave. Like Freddy Krueger. But the ghost tried to get him to unalive himself. Oh, here’s the numbers. 933 souls trapped sets the demon free. 933 plus 66 equals 999. They astral project into the ghost world and they find out he feeds off grief. Oh, that’s so spooky. Who feeds off what? He feeds off grief. It’s not like that. Not like the earlier ghosts into extramarital affairs.

He’s into grief. Yeah, it’s not a nice dead mommy. It’s like an arch demon that eat your loosh. Yeah, basically. In the 2003, at the Butler right. It’s the terence stamp guy. And this one, it’s. It’s CGI Jared Leto. I wonder if. If you’re a ghost that feeds off grief, is this like a living person with daddy issues? Like, if not enough people grieved at your. At your. I guess your funeral. That now you’re like forever searching for enough grief to fulfill like a whole. In your dead body. It’s like the opposite Anunnaki thing. I need to be a God.

You need more than 50 names. And the more names people give you, the more they’re thinking about you. Right? Maybe I’m up to five names myself. A little while until we get to godhood. That’s kind of like archonic, right? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I guess. Jared Leto, the Hatbox ghost. I guess I’ll call him by. Or. Crump. Was that his name? But he. He’s kind of an archon of this house, at least. And there’s Nastral Zone and. Love that. So it’s a. It’s a. It’s archon and Gnosticism and miniature. Maybe he’s a ghost who haunts other ghosts.

Check this out. His name is Aleister Crump, son of real estate tycoon Addison Crump, who was a cruel man. Alistair had his Gatsby era, but he killed people and blood sacrifice. I wonder if they’re referencing any people. Yeah, Alistair Crumpy. Yeah, there we go. I guess he’s just so goofy looking. Like the photo you showed or the drawing you showed earlier. He’s even in this. He looks kind of goofy. So maybe they did need to make him a little more terrifying to really work properly. But then he’s gotta look like the Hatbox Ghost. So how dark is this? He’s trying to get this little kid to unalive himself so that he can see his dead father again.

Yeah. Also, here’s a weird thought. Why is Disney putting so much on the Hat Box ghost? Are you guys familiar with the Hatbox? Goes sort of trajectory. Like it was in the original attraction for like two weeks or something. It didn’t work, so they took it out and they put it back in for like Disneyland’s 50th, so shortly before they made this movie. So. And they. They put. You probably saw it, I think they put in Florida now. So I. I don’t get it. In Florida? Yeah. Okay. He’s in Florida. He’s not in Tokyo. So I haven’t seen merch too.

You’ll see him in a lot of the. Like the little postcards and little keychains and stuff. Right. Character in that in the past 10 years, they’re really doubling down on. On that character again. Tokyo, you come out, there’s no gift store, which I think is not the case in America now. So no, they. Nothing about them in Tokyo. But yeah, it seems like the American Disney’s really doubling down on the hatbox ghost for their Haunted Mansion iconography. So I have a quick little trivia for you. It says that the original animatronic for the hat box ghost appeared in the haunted mansion in 1969, but was quickly removed due to the effect not working properly.

And then I guess it was absent until 2015 when they added a new hat box. Goes for the 60th anniversary. Right. And then they added a Florida a few years after that. So you got to experience that. But yeah, anyway, just interesting that they’re really doubling down on. On that for some reason. Like, that’s their icon now. I think they should blend the hall of Presidents with the Haunted Mansion. They’re right next to each other anyways. In the park. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Just. What would you do with the presidents, though? I’m just thinking of putting ghouls and having him stand up and like, slightly nod you and stuff.

That’d be fun. Well, when Hillary Clinton dies, her ghosts can come and, like, suck the soul out of the children or something. There’s a YouTube video, the hall of Inaccurate Presidents, where it just. It’s just they’ve replaced the audio, so it’s a bunch of, like, BS names that they stand up and nod you and stuff and they get progressively weirder. Yeah. So recommend for the hall of Inaccurate Presidents. You guys have anything else on either movie, really? 2003, 2023. I guess we didn’t really need to bring the Muppets into this, but I do enjoy the Muppets, so just shout out Muppet one more time.

The last thing I had from the 2023 one was that in the end, it’s the mediums that come together to defeat evil crump and not God in the form of Owen Wilson and the priest. And some of them stay. They make a big point that some of the ghosts, they can leave now, and some of them, they like it there. So it’s a. That’s not very Gnostic. I feel like if you’re getting out of the Gnostic trap, you. You want to. You don’t want to go back in or stay. Yeah. The other ghosts become friends with the living, so now they have weakened the veil between the worlds, which is what a lot of conspiracy theorists say that CERN is doing.

I think it seems logical that some ghosts would still stay because the same way that you’ve got living people that are very materialistic and, you know, don’t give any thought to the afterlife, that in the afterlife you probably have someone similar that’s like, they’re obsessed with the pleasures and the abilities of being in the afterlife, and they also don’t want to move on. Like, it. It probably is fractal probably just goes on for levels and levels and levels. And it’s like, at what point of your many different deaths and afterlives is the one that you’re comfortable with? And, like, you don’t keep fishing around for a new one.

The 2003 one definitely pushes against, like, reincarnation ideas because even Eddie Murphy is like, it’s one time around on the circle or whatever, and that’s it, right? Like, they really kind of push the, you know, life ghost and that sort of thing kind of. But then also the main push back against the wife. Her body can technically be reinhabited by a ghost of someone that looked like her. And that sort of seems like a version of reincarnation slash, possession, but they’re made to be distinctly different. It’s like, okay, get out. I want my wife back. And I was just seeing an article last week talking about how while there are a lot of genetic markers and differences, there is only a specific set.

And there are a few people that are going to look like you and have similar responses to, like, diseases and stuff, you know, so that’s just a given that someone out there. I remember when I was 13 years old at the Philmont Scout Ranch, and there was a guy that looked exactly like me eating a ham. I didn’t touch him. And see if time clip rules applied or not. Yeah, yeah. But I was like, that guy looks like a doppelganger. So, you know, in Japan, I don’t run across this problem as much, but clone, like, go ahead.

I have students like. Like brothers, where one is seven and one is nine. And sometimes maybe because the genetic pool is a little smaller in Japan, if I. If there’s only one of them, I can’t tell which one it is because they’re not next to each other. When they’re next to each other, one’s clearly two years older, so it’s easy. But if I just. There’s been a few times where I just see one of them, I don’t know which one it is, because genetically they’re similar even though they’re not twins. They’re brothers, two years apart. But yeah.

Did they happen to mention if the Eddie Murphy’s wife was a descendant of the old guy’s wife or because they were identical? Not sure. Or was she just. I didn’t. I didn’t pick up that they were actually related. They almost imply that they just looked very similar and. And that even. That part’s not clear until you get about two thirds into the movie where you’re like, oh, she looks almost identical to this lady. Because originally it starts with a phone call where they say they saw her face and she just had a trustworthy face. And at first I was like, if this is.

We’re still talking late 19th, early 20th century, this is phrenology. Like, this old, you know, aristocratic guy is like, I like the shape of her skull. Like, we can trust her. But then the similar genetic markers would, you know, the. The same chance they might. Or similar chances they’ll get, like this kind of illness or something, you know, so. Although I don’t think the. The phrenology, obviously that didn’t hold. But genetic markers, I mean, genetic markers are genetic markers, so who knows what that means? I don’t. I’m not a geneticist. I guess we should start wrapping this one up today.

Should we. Should we enter plug land? Yeah, I’ll let Jimmy do the honors. My name is Jamie Hanshaw Dyer, and you can find me on YouTube under my name. And we just actually got done doing Pinocchio and Hunchback of Notre Dame, and we are going to be talking about mystery schools and micro cults next time. Micro cult sounds doable. Like I don’t have to dedicate as much time in my life. Yeah. If I have my own thing. Is that a microcult? Can I be a microcult of warning is that a lot of these alternative journalists are actually micro cult leaders.

Ah, okay. What fun. It sounds like a new Silicon Valley trend, too. Like, I’m going to start micro culting on my way to work. Microdose in your micro cult. Microdose enough. You want to start your microcode. I like that. I’ll step up and do the next plug if you. I’m going to go ahead and link the rest of the episodes that Jamie’s been on with a Colt Disney also been on her show. I think we talked about Mary Poppins at some point, so I’ll have all those links down there. Also, you should absolutely check out our new series that I put on YouTube on Saturdays, Matt puts them out almost immediately.

It’s called Cartoon Cabal. Right now we’re doing Neon Genesis Evangelion, which is an anime about fallen angels and using mech suits to put dead Nephilim bodies in so they can fight these other Nephilim. It gets creating the original Adam they find like a little human fetus. It’s. It’s kind of crazy, but you should go and check out Cartoon Cabal either on podcast or go to the Paranoid American podcast. And speaking of, you can find links to all these things@paranoidamerican.com and I was going to ask you, Thomas, if you want to do a show with me soon.

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