Both of You Dance Like You Want to Win! – Neon Genesis Evangelion S01E09

➡ The text is a conversation between two hosts of the Cartoon Cabal podcast discussing episode 9 of Neon Genesis Evangelion. They talk about the episode’s tone, its humor, and its sexual undertones. They also discuss the character Asuka, who is a German exchange student, and the cultural differences and misunderstandings that arise from her presence. They also touch on the character Kaji and his relationship with other characters.
➡ The text discusses a complex narrative involving various characters and their interactions. It explores themes of age, work relationships, and personal growth, particularly focusing on a character named Shinji. The narrative also delves into conspiracy theories, mind control, and the concept of elite families breeding redheads for their supposed ability to slip in and out of dissociative states. Lastly, it touches on the dynamics of love and living situations among the characters, and the concept of synchronicity in their actions.
➡ The text discusses a 90s show where characters combine their powers to work together, creating a force greater than their individual strengths. It also explores the cultural differences in phrases between English and Japanese, using the example of “When in Rome, do as the Romans do” versus the Japanese equivalent. The text further delves into the action-packed scenes of the show, its parody of the Mecha genre, and the introduction of a competitive new character. Lastly, it examines the unique transitions and storytelling techniques used in the series.
➡ The text discusses a show where characters are learning to defeat ‘Angels’ using mech suits. The show is appreciated for its genre-blending and self-awareness, even though it can be confusing for newcomers. It also includes cultural and biblical references, such as the Wall of Jericho, and emphasizes synchronization through music. The text also mentions the cultural significance of certain numbers and films in Japan.
➡ The text discusses a complex sequence of events involving characters Shinji and Asuka, who share a bed and almost share a kiss. The story also mentions a unique use of music in a fight sequence, where the characters synchronize their actions to the beat. The text ends with a discussion about various podcasts and music, including one that uses binaural beats for brain reprogramming, and another that reviews conspiracy documentaries.

They’re just kind of like turning these kids into a harp antenna grid. So much more fun and games at the Captain Cabal. Beyond what’s just in a name at the Cartoon Cabal. See, just at what cost comes fame at the Cartoon Cabal. So much for the fun and games at the Cartoon Cabal. Hello, welcome to the Cartoon Cabal, where both of us are dancing like we want a podcast. That’s right. We’re looking at both of you. Dance like you want to win. Episode 9 of Neon Genesis Evangelion. This is Matt here. It’s a paranoid American over there.

How’s it hanging? I feel like we should also mention that the original, or at least the title that this went by was Moment and heart together, but then it got retranslated into Both of you dance like you want to win. And the latter is infinitely better. It is. And I always come. I guess I’m always coming to you, weirdly, with the English titles, because when I watch these on my player, it always gives me the English titles. And then the episodes itself was. It gives you the English town. Then it blasts the Japanese one, like, halfway through.

So, you know, I never really know. Yeah, you get to pick. So this. This time we know which one to pick. We’re dancing like we want to win. This is, interestingly, a very highly rated episode. As I was looking through, and I liked it, to be sure it didn’t strike me. The tone changes here intentionally. Like, they kind of like we got too heavy in the first six episodes. So 7, 8, 9, 10 are like kind of intentionally trying to be somewhat goofy. This one and the next one are a little bit goofy. This one too.

My. My note right out of the gate was, this is the horniest episode so far without nosebleeds. Yes. And I wrote that too. This one is starting off horny, whereas the next one I write, this is the horniest. So. So the next one, we watch both and we’re. We’re doing them back to back, but the next one’s even hornier. I’m. I’m watching these and I’m. The first thing I was like, okay, anime nerds. Now I get why this one is so evergreen in the catalog. I get it. Like, but Japanese and casual horniness. Before we got on, I was telling you about getting my.

My dual citizen daughter’s passport woes, right? So I had to go digging for documents and stuff, and I found this pouch of passports and documents that has been mostly untouched for 15 years. And when I went in there, I. I Took the. I put. I had to put it in my daughter’s room because they’re going to start doing the paperwork tonight. I made sure to take these out first, which have been sitting in there for 15 years. What are you holding up? These are Japanese expired condoms. Like, why are there condoms in the freaking official paperwork pouch? That came.

That. That came from the state, I think. No, these are Japanese ones. No. Okay. I don’t know why they’re there. I mean, hey, we’ve been married for a long time. Haven’t been. So I don’t. Like, why are those there? And the official. I don’t know. Red tape makes you horny. Aren’t those illegal now in Japan because of, like, the population issue? They just. You’re not allowed to even get condoms. That’s right. If there’s a man and woman walking opposite ways on the street, a police officer will pull out their billy club and threaten to bash them if they don’t start doing it.

Honestly, some of the Japanese initiatives, well, they’re always like, everyone should start having more children. Then that’s the response, right? For. Yeah, give me some cash. Like, what’s the reward? There are cash, but they’re lame ones. It’s like, we’ll give you. No, they’re like, we’ll give you 50 bucks of extra a month if you have kids. Like. Yeah, yeah. That, you know, pay hasn’t particularly increased in the past 20 years, so that’s not really much of a bump. Let’s talk like 3K and. And then we can dance a little bit. We can dance like we’re trying to win.

That’s right. So, yeah, I should mention also because now we’re getting as though with a. I guess that’s her Japanese name. What would her. Anya. What would her actual German name be? If they said that. They said that maybe in the last episode and I forgot. Well, I. So I’ve been incredibly careful when I look up or wiki or Google things about this show because I. I know that, like a bunch of weird stuff is going to happen. I want to ruin for myself. Yeah. But I. I did look up her name. Her full name is Asuka Langley Soru.

So everyone just calls her Asuka. That’s where everyone calls her in the show. But middle name is Langley, which makes me think CIA. Yeah. Wait, wait, is that Uska or Asuka? Sorry, this is just spelled A S, U, K, A. But the enunciation in the show is Oscar. They. They don’t. Apart. Okay. It’s. I’m only asking Because I was teaching someone name this 12 hours ago, so. And it did come up. Do I put an S or a Z there in the. It’s phonetically Oscar in the show or Oscar. Right. But yeah, they. They love. They call it half in Japanese, which seems weirdly insulting if you’re half Japanese and half something else.

So. And hey, I guess my daughter is this girl at the school because she’s the. The. The. You know, the half girl. The only half girl at her high. Well, now high school, but at junior high as well. So. Okay, so I guess I didn’t. I couldn’t really tell because of the anime style if she was pure white, like, if she’s like, German purebred, or if she was half. Or if she was just Japanese and dyed her hair red. I really can’t tell the difference between these three. Except for in the very beginning of this episode, they’re making a big deal about, oh, the international students here.

And when she shows up, there’s these three Japanese girls that are looking at her. And when they kind of, like, make a weird face, like, oh, my God, they, like, really Asian out the faces way beyond, just so that there’s like, a contrast. But otherwise, if everyone’s looking normally, she. She just looks like any other anime character. Yeah, I mean, no, that’s the thing with anime. Like, anime is just like, every kind of. Everyone looks the same in anime. Right. You know, like when I. When I watched Howls Moving Castle and switched to English, it took a few minutes because everyone just looks the same.

So I’m glad it’s not just me. Maybe it’s more. Maybe. I mean, you’re just a guy from Atlanta too, so maybe you’re not the best authority. No, that is the style. And I. When, you know, like, say girls are, like, drawn in their school notebooks here, they’ll make an anime version of themselves that doesn’t look particularly Asian. Right. I also wrote down, oh, I guess my Japanese is getting somewhat better. Did they not talk much in the first two minutes of this episode? Maybe it’s because it was school chatter and I hear it all the time.

I. I skipped the opening this time just for time, and. And I think I went two minutes before I realized that my subtitles weren’t on. So. Okay, yeah, it was basically just the entire school geeking out over this new exchange student who’s this white girl with red hair that comes from Germany, even though she looks pretty much the same. Other than that. Yeah. But I get about it since I work in a School. I guess it just sounded like so natural to me. I didn’t even notice that I wasn’t reading any English. You know, the. And the only reason that I even realized that she’s German is because one time when she’s walking around, someone says Guten Morgan to her and that’s it.

That’s. There’s really no other direct. The last episode really. Remember, she was in her mech and everything was running in German. Shinji was in there, so she had to change the interface to Japanese. So they definitely. They definitely went on it hard an episode or I guess last episode is when she showed up. So. But yeah, this one I guess you’re just supposed to remember. You know, for us it’s been what, it’s been almost a month since we recorded the last AVA episode, just because of various timings and things. So, you know, we’ll give you a little month to forget about it.

Who. What was this line about? I wrote the quote, a woman with a mole on the pathway of her tears is destined to a life full of them. That one. That seems like a horrible proverb, but was that Kaji that said that? I think he says it. Is he saying that on Masato? I guess, yeah. It’s hard to tell because. Yeah, now we get to meet Kaji, who’s kind of been a background character until maybe this episode more recently. I think he was only in the previous episode or maybe two episodes ago. Yeah. So. And I’m starting to figure because it’s also kind of hard to tell ages between all these different characters.

So I had to make like a cheat sheet for myself. So whenever these two characters are having interaction, I’m actually like, okay, the 30 year old guy is hitting on the 29 year old girl now. Okay, that checks out. Okay, now he’s hitting on the 30 year old girl that he works with who’s the. Like the Doctor. So he’s. He comes into the scene and he’s just flirting with everyone that works in Nerve, which I don’t know, it’s a little weird to be doing that where you work under these like extreme pretenses. But I think it’s even weirder in Japan.

Well, but it’s like the fantasy alpha guy that’s doing all the things that are. That are not sort of sheltered away. Right. So he kind of represents everything that Shinji isn’t. Like if Shinji grew up to be either really cool or so insecure that you turn cool from it, then that. This is kind of what Kaji is But. But there’s like, a total disconnect between the two of them. Also, Shinji might get groovier in high school. I mean, I. I’ve seen students that are totally lame in junior high that do kind of step it up in high school, but, you know, a little bit, because the.

The new exchange student girl, or like this new foreigner as Oscar, I’m gonna have to keep learning how to pronounce and read all these. But Oscar, she shows up and she’s immediately, like, flexing on everybody, and she’s hyper competitive, and it’s all like, I’m better than you. And there’s this one point when Shenji calls her a dumb rookie verbatim, and I was like, damn, Shenji, like, you’re actually starting to grow a little bit of a pair now all of a sudden. I. Up until this moment, he’s never really stood his ground unless he was, like, completely pushed to the edge.

And this was a first impression. So I. I don’t think that it changed his character at all, but it was just surprising for him to say that at that moment. I mean, he is a new kid in a new town in an insane situation. So, I mean, I guess you got to give him a little slack, right? Maybe. I don’t know. I think kids are adaptable. They can grow up in the most horrific environment, and if it’s all they know, it’s just the baseline. You’re just the fish and water. Let’s see. They do mention about people being chosen to be pilots.

Like, there’s very. Something very specific which we don’t know about yet. That. That did kind of make me think, oh, maybe his. It’s like a weird genetic you2 baby or something. I don’t know why I said genetic with that, but. Well, one of. One of the other quotes from one of the kids at the beginning of this, when they’re talking about everyone that gets picked to. To pilot one of these AVAs, and he says, I wonder if only weirdos are chosen to be AVA pilots. And that was such a great point, because so far that that is the case, maybe you do have to be, you know, a little bit mentally fractured or have the potential.

You know, like our redheads and conspiracy culture. Right? I mean, you’re gonna. Yeah, you’re gon right into it already. So in. In the deepest depths of MK Ultra and Project Monarch lore, I’ve. I’ve gone all the way to the ends of these things. I’m pretty sure, at least the literary takes on all these and the premise is that for hundreds of years, perhaps elite families all over the world have been trying to breed offspring that can snap in and out of disassociation almost at will. And that apparently if you’re a redhead, this applies to you even more so.

And it might be tied to the fact that redheads need, I can’t remember if it’s more or less anesthesia than normal people, but there’s all these physiological objective differences between redheads and the rest of the population that in conspiracy lore makes them sort of the. The ultimate a Wayne Gretzky of sort of MK Ultra mind control. Like they, they can slip in and out of consciousness, slip in and out of different personalities, like putting on a hat and taking it off. And I don’t want to imply that every redhead you know is somehow more prone to mind control and hypnosis, but maybe they are.

I don’t know. My grandfather’s a redhead. Who knows? Try it, try it, try it on the next the redhead you know the best. Just try and hypnotize them the next time you meet them. Don’t even tell them I mentioned before. I’m a regular meditator and that’s hypnotizing yourself. So you can, I guess you’re MK altering yourself. In that case, are we on to anything? I’m just curious if anyone’s has red hair or. Or self identifies as ginger. Do you feel that there’s any truth to this concept whatsoever about elite families breeding redheads because they can slip in and out of disassociative states? I don’t know.

I find it beyond fascinating and there’s historical evidence that does tie into this. But I will keep this because I’m sure now that we’ve got a redhead on cast that slips in and out an international one because in Japan you feel like they dyed their hair, but a German girl shows up, you’re like, I guess she’s a redhead, you know. So, yeah, I think that the mind control angle just got dialed up a little bit. Like we’re, we’re at like an 8 or a 9 now. But then Rey, who is, you know, I guess they like the showrunner said he was just like.

Yeah, I felt like I was kind of finished with her arc after season six. And she’s just kind of like occasionally floats through the background now, you know, because. But there is barely a character there because she is so MK Ultra seeming where, you know, Oscar, not so much. Well, Asuka is brand new. She’s got that fire of life in her And Rey, it feels like it’s almost been completely extinguished. Maybe not yet, because then she would just be dead or catatonic, but she absolutely is. This is what happens when you drive your MK Ultra mind control slave too far too long, right? It’s like you’re playing Red Dead Redemption.

You don’t take a break and feed your horse every once in a while. You just ride them into the ground. This is kind of ray right now. Yeah. So as and again, someone who hasn’t seen a show much, I am like, are we mostly finisher? Where are we going with this? You know? And I know there’s going to be more with her. No, because right now she’s an empty shell. She’s. I mean, I have to just, I guess shoehorn the word homunculus into every episode, but she is damn near a homunculus where she’s. She’s got a body that can act as this perfect host, but there’s no like, spirit actively living inside of it, which just means there’s a vacuum that’s waiting to be filled.

And then there’s Shinji’s bizarre love Life where the 29 year old woman is, for some reason almost forcing herself on her. And she stops and he. He has a moment with Rey and now he sees, you know, we’re moving on to Oscar here, where that is Kaji in the past. Maybe he’s a clone of Kaji and he’s gonna slowly come into his own because he’s. He is doing the same thing Kaji’s doing, where Kaji is kind of just flirting around with all the other women that are his age, 29 and 30. And now Shenji is like flirting with all the different 14 year olds, although his is more unwittingly, like he’s accidentally finding himself in these weird situations.

But he’s 14, right? So that happens. It also makes Misato’s weird behavior, like, slightly. I’m still. I’m not saying it’s justified, but you can see where mentally she might end up, you know, like hitting on Shinji as she did the first couple episodes, you know. Well, I think that dynamic has completely shifted now, right? Because now, at least for this episode, it’s Shinji and Oscar. They move in together and they have to eat together and sleep together and brush their teeth together and do all sorts of things, like synchronous, like with complete synchronicity. And I don’t just mean kind of doing it at the same time, like literally stroking their teeth at the exact same time.

And Speaking in unison. Kind of like just like when twins are being super annoying. They’re doing that on purpose. Or children of the dam sort of twins. They’re trying to determine children of the damn twins. Yeah. And then they, I, I like, they have like, you know, the production that shows mid-90s, so you have kind of this proto dance game. Because the dance game surely picked up in what, 99 or something like a couple years after this. Like Dance Dance Revolution, all that. Yeah, right. It’s there, it’s Dance Dance Revolution, but they’re kind of playing it on a Nintendo Power Mat, which is a little.

Because this show is from what, the mid to late 90s, right. So it wasn’t quite at the peak of Dance Dance Revolution with like the full blown arcade machines, but. And so as I’m watching this with my tin foil hat on, because I forgot to take it off for this episode, but I was just imagining that what they’re doing, first of all, it’s synchronicity and someone makes a really good pun. I don’t know whether intentional or not, but they’re like, you guys are living in sin. And I was just thinking like, no, they’re living in sync.

Like it’s one letter off. They’re living in sync and it’s in order to combine their powers because otherwise they fight against each other. So there’s like a very alchemical aspect to this where they’re. You’ve got these two opposite elements that you’re forcing to work in tandem with each other. And then I started. Imagine they’re just kind of like turning these kids into a harp antenna grid. Right. Just make each one of them act the same way, project the same energy at the same place, so that the collective of both of them fighting is essentially something that’s greater than the, you know, the sum, essentially.

So I was just imagining that everything in this, this episode in particular is. Gets real crazy into the conspiracy in the occult world. Although we do have to be a little bit careful sometimes. This is jumping ahead to the next episode because we watch both. It’s not a spoiler, but they, they have, they have the phrase I like when Oscar’s complaining about her schoolwork. You know, when in Rome, do like the Romans do. Right. Which is our version. In Japanese, it is when in the village. Follow the village, which is from an ancient Japanese book, Doji Kyo.

So a Japanese person would be like, you’re quoting the Bible. Where we’re like, oh, that’s just some phrase which is a little different. I Mean not the Bible. We’re quoting a big old book. You know, when in the village, follow the village. That’s the saying. Right. So Japanese person went here, like, again, not take out the religious connotation, but it would. Okay. Sound like Shakespeare to. To them. Right. Whereas when in Rome is just kind of like, you know, pop culture slang. They mean the same thing, though. No, they mean the same thing, but the Japanese one has more cultural weight to it, where I don’t think ours does, you know, so well.

So in the. When in the village, follow the village, that almost feels like it comes from a place of respect. And when in Rome, at least every time I’ve ever been introduced to that, I understand the historical significance of it, but the modern version of it, it’s almost an excuse for hedonistic behavior. Or like. Well, when in Rome, it’s like, okay, right. Whereas when. When the village followed village suggests, like, you need to become part of this community and be a responsible part of the community. Right. Whereas it’s so Japanese. Yes, yes. But that’s my whole point.

Like, if I were the translator. Yes. I would translate that to when Rome do as the Romans do. That makes perfect sense. But you do lose a shade of meeting doing that. And I’m just mentioning that when you mentioned they’re living in sin. Nobody’s gonna think that in Japan, Sink. Okay, they might do that. Sorry, I thought you said sin for. But that wouldn’t be cool because that’s what one of the friends says to them. It says, oh, you guys are living in sin. Because they’re. It’s just two. A girl and a boy living by themselves.

Like, sleeping in the same bed and everything. Yeah. So. But that. What I’m saying is what we heard is probably slightly different than how it came across in Japanese. So are we combining episode 9 and 10 for this? We’re not. I just want, like. Like, and when we’re doing 10, that specific point might not come up again. And that was. Like I said, it’s not a. It’s not really a spoiler. We already can tell Asuka is not really into doing schoolwork. So there’s a really fun part of this episode which is, I think, one of the most action packed, even if it’s not all fighting.

There’s so much action and color and, like, vibrant scenes in this episode that make up for at least three or four. We’re only on episode nine, right. At least, like a third of this series so far did have, like, a somber, rainy kind of attitude. And I Think this one makes up for a lot of that. And this girl is truly a badass. Yeah. This one is actually meant to be a bit of a parody. Like not like, you know, not like a Mel Brooks, you know, Zucker sort of thing, but just it’s, it’s, it’s light parody.

The fight scene at the end, if you notice where they’re in sync and how the shots are. Are actually meant to look like, like, you know, like gorilla, like the 70s Japanese sci fi. It’s like not. It’s not even Godzilla level. It’s a little cheesier than that because it’s for TV. It’s basically Godzilla stuff for TV from the 70s. So the shots are very simple. You know, it’s got like exciting music on and. And that’s what they were actually trying to like kind of parody at the end of this. That. So that subtlety was definitely lost on me.

Right. I mean even someone watching it now might not. A Japanese person watching it now might get it. Let me see. I want to look at the specific thing they say about that. The most explicit comic parody of the Mecha genre or Evangelion was explicit. And I’m looking for the show they mentioned there was some term. Now I’m vamping too hard. I’ll bring it up if I get it. So we haven’t actually done a story for this, have we? So you seem to have more of a thing about that than I do. If you want to throw it out there.

Yeah. Just in case anyone wants to follow along or be reminded if they’ve already seen it or they have no intention of seeing it. So the story on this one, it’s kind of meandering, right? Because this is an ongoing series, but new girl shows up at school. She’s clearly this, this German 14 year old girl that is ready to pilot in Ava. She’s been kind of singled out for it. She’s basically like a super smart. She’s graduated from college and all this stuff, but she shows up and she is ready to kind of compete with everyone.

She sees being the best EVA pilot almost as a competition. And this causes a little bit of rift between her and Shenji. So when they go off to fight instead of working together, she’s trying to kind of outdo him. And it all, it all goes wrong. Although it looks badass because she takes this big sword out and she like slices this fallen angel right down the middle and it splits open in half. But then it reforms itself into these three other little like mech alien Things. It was hard to describe, but the original one was. It looked like she destroyed an organic thing, but then the organic remnants of this body of the angel turn into something else and then like multiply.

Did I. Did I miss what was actually happening there? I think that’s generally it. I mean, angel stuff is weird. That’s the whole point. And from what I understand, it’s only going to get more and more incoherent from here on out, so. Which I’m looking forward to the same. So after they go and they fight and they lose, there’s this shot that I think represents this whole point of it being a parody, but both of the mech suits are upside down, halfway buried into the ground, like. Like a kid took a toy and just shoved it into the dirt.

So it shows them. And what I really liked about that is it cuts directly to this weird MK Ultra flash. They’re in the middle of a fight and then all of a sudden the frame goes white with like a weird lens flare effect around it or almost like a rainbow pattern that you’d see on an old TV when the signal was lost. And then we zoom out and then we see that they’re actually reviewing these slides. They’re doing a military debriefing of how everything went wrong from that point afterwards. I thought that was like a really clever shift.

And it. And whenever something cuts right in the middle of the action and then it goes to like a very simple thing and like jump into the future. It’s always such a jarring expel. Like I. I just wrote down MK Ultra Transition. Okay, I. I found the bit of notes I had here that Toku Satsu shows. Ultraman was a much better example than me trying to talk about gorilla for some reason I don’t. I guess I like monkeys. But yeah, like the Ultraman. Think of Ultraman battles which in Japan. Power rangers then. But 70s, late 60s.

70s version. Right. So. Because Power. Yeah, all this nuance is completely lost on me right now. That, that. But. And then the shot you mentioned where they’re goofily, you know, the legs are in the ground and stuff is. Describes the homage to Khan Ichikawa’s the Inugami Family and Shinji Somai’s Typhoon Club, which, I mean, that doesn’t mean anything to me, but it’s a specific reference, I guess is the point. What is the point? And they. They actually ask Shinji and Asuka this question, like when they realized that everything had kind of gone wrong. I thought it was telling because asuka she shouts out to pilot Ava’s and she’s immediately corrected.

And they’re like, wrong. This is to defeat the Angels. And I just like how they keep reinforcing what they’re doing here and how important it is and not to get sidetracked into the all the weird mech and sort of like romance storylines that ultimately the, the point of nerve and the point of the show and the reason that you’re watching it is to see them and learn how to defeat Angels. Yeah. As the show goes on, it’s definitely doing more and more of a juggling act because I remember in the first six I was like, oh, we’re doing this genre now.

We’re doing this genre now. It’s like let’s do like eight things at once. Which is kind of working. I guess that’s why the show is well regarded. You know. I also feel like this is peak anime when even when I was thinking of like a hyperbole simplified version, oh, just a bunch of kids screaming in mech suits, I didn’t realize how close to the real truth I was when I was dismissing it. Now that I’m in the thick of it, I, I feel like I was still right. Maybe not to dismiss it, but I was on point with what I was missing out on.

But that was kind of the point of this show. So they probably had the same thought as you. Like, we like mech stuff, but it’s just kids screaming. So at the end of this one, it’s a parody, so let’s just have the kids screaming, you know. Okay, fair point. It’s. It’s also hard for me to, to get a tell on something that’s self aware when I’m still just learning about it myself. So I can’t tell when they’re being self aware. I, I, you know, here’s, here’s what I think. The battle, especially in this episode, is a good comparison to that the fight at the end of the first Ant man where us, we’re like, haha, that’s a giant Thomas the Tank Engine.

It’s that is it. It’s been a while since I watched him, stuff like that. So for us it’s like it’s still kind of, it’s like it’s kind of serious. It’s a Marvel movie. It goes in with the other stuff. At the same time, it’s kind of goofy. It’s kind of a parody because we’re getting like these really ridiculous references that the Japanese audience in 1996 or whatever, they’re getting it, you know, you and I have to look at the, you know, do the research and then be like, oh, it’s citing this movie and this movie. How interesting.

I’ve never seen those movies. You know, I mean, I’ve only seen like five episodes of Ultraman. It’s like explaining a joke to someone. I get it. Yeah. You have to say Ultraman in Japan, by the way, or they won’t say odd thing if they, if you say Ultraman, they will not understand what you’re saying. It has to be Ultraman. There’s. So I’ve also kind of been actively looking for any sort of biblical references that come up in this show just because again, I’m maybe at this point I’m on a mission to prove the VO guy wrong.

That there is like a deeper Kabbalistic take on all this. And I don’t know if this, this was just said out of like a humor line or maybe if it was mistranslated. But when his friends all find out that Shenji is living with Oscar alone in this house and they’re like, oh my God, you’re living in sin or sink or whatever, one of them gets really specific and he’s like, or maybe it was the girl. I think it’s actually Oscar and she screams and she says a boy and a girl should not live under the same roof after the age of seven.

That was very specific rule. And there’s actually tell you where that’s from if you want. It is a Confucian proverb from the Book of Rights. Really? Do they. They cite the number seven specifically? I don’t know about seven. I just know that’s, that’s what the reference is from. But I imagine it does say seven. They like the number seven, you know, because there’s also a Talmudic reference to this one by. Here we go. Here we go. That is the age where that fits actually well with Japanese society. Because before that the hot springs, which we’ll see more of in the next episode.

If you’re like, my daughter would come with me into the hot spring until actually probably about 6 because you know, she’s coming in with an American. But yeah, until it’s generally considered in Japan, up to seven kids can go into the other genders hot spring and nobody cares. Interesting. Okay, so that’s like, like a Confucius based thing. Yes. So I think 7 actually is correct. I don’t have the specific quote in front of me, but I believe that’s probably correct because that’s the. Onsan culture. So her saying that kind of makes sense. Why she quoting Confucius? I’m not sure.

A few scenes later, would you want to talk about that biblical reference? There’s one a few scenes later, if you want to talk about it. Yeah. The walls of Jericho comes up. Yeah. So they’re being forced to live together and. And I just want to slip into that. One of the cool aspects of this is the. The way they’re supposed to be in sync is that they’re both listening to the same music and there’s every action that they take, whether it’s brushing your teeth or playing like a DDR game, which they’re. They’re doing in order to practice all this, or if it’s just like eating or anything, that they’re supposed to do it to the beat of this music that’s synchronized between the two of them.

And I thought that was such a cool idea that everything they do is sing. And you don’t know what the music is until the very end of the episode, by the way. But. But as they’re doing this, I can tell that Oscar is getting kind of sick of Shinji. Like I think any right. Reasonable person would eventually be like, God, this guy’s giving me the ick non stop. So when they’re no longer supervised by Masago, then they decide like, okay, we’re. Or Oscar decides. You take this side of the house. I take this side of the house.

It’s when two siblings put up the little fort. Tower of like towels or pillows and says, don’t go over this line. And she. But she says this is the Wall of Jericho. And. And I’m wondering, was that in the original Japanese version as well? Do they cite the Wall of Jericho or do they bring up a different wall? I’m not 100% sure on that because it does also reference the movie It Happened one night from 1934. So I’m not 100. I mean, geez. And now you got to go back and play the scene and listen to the Japanese.

I guess to answer that. But it might be the same that move. I mean, there are movies like in Japan, they just love Roman Holiday. And I’m not sure if they love it happen One Night that much, but they might. So there are these random movies. They’re just super old movies are just super popular in Japan. Audrey Hepburn is so big in Japan still. It’s weird. I don’t know how’s. How her. How her coattails are going in America these days, but I don’t think Anyone cares about her anymore? Okay, we have, we have commercials that’ll reference Audrey Hepburn in Japan.

They love her. My daughter like went and watched like all of her movies a few years ago. You know, let me be frank too. I do not have my thumb on the pulse of the culture in this country. So I’m maybe the worst person. Yeah. And for any of the Bible nerds out there, Wall Jericho is Joshua 620, or at least that’s where it falls. And that’s the coolest part about the Wall Jericho is that essentially everyone screams and it falls down. But this has been reinterpreted in conspiracy and a cult lore as some sort of a frequency weapon that when they took down the Wall of Jericho, it was a sonic device.

That’s what has been kind of interpreted in modern times. In the, in the Bible they just say that they all screamed. But I, I do like the idea that the Bible stories include sort of futuristic, you know, audio weaponry. I defend, I had a fantastic time reading the books of Zachary Stitch. And do I, do I necessarily agree with all of that as reality? Probably not. But man, he’s a good writer. Was a good writer. We’re all just farming gold under threat of audible weapons, essentially. Audiotronic weapons. Yeah, that’s the thing because he’s, he’s basically like reinterpreting all this stuff as like, you know, crazy sci fi stuff and that.

I mean, I liked reading it. I’ll probably read it again someday, you know, or at least his daughter made like a condensed compendium of all this stuff. So maybe I’ll go read that instead. So they, they split up. Although that night, weird sequence of events, maybe abstract on purpose, but they’re separated. Shinji goes to sleep, he wakes up and Asuka’s in bed with him now. Like, so I guess while he was sleeping, she snuck in the bed with him and creepily he starts to make a move on her while she’s asleep and gets really freaking clo, like millimeters close to making a move on her.

And then it cuts and he’s sleeping on the floor again. So you get the impression that he didn’t actually do this. Except the next morning she’s messing with him and she just kind of throws out like, I know you try to kiss me a lot while sleeping. And he comes, he’s like, yeah, but I, but I stopped myself. I didn’t really go through it. And she’s like, oh my God. I didn’t actually think, be careful what you dream. And then it was like, to be continued. Yeah. And then we get the acid Bossa Nova, Fly Me to the Moon.

I. I had to look that up. I was like, is that Pizzicato five? Which. It’s. It’s not. It was. What was her name? Oh, every Fly Me on the Moon’s different. If you haven’t noticed at the end of the shows. I actually have not noticed that it’s always a different. So this one was all like acid. Right. So this one sound like, distinctly different, you know. And this singer apparently is known basically for singing for Evangelion. And I do remember at the end of this episode, I was like, oh, I’m letting these credits play a little bit longer.

For some reason, I don’t remember the song being this good, but I just assumed it was the same song. Yeah, so far. Because I like. It’s not Pisco, but the lady. Her first album actually was confusingly named Pizzicato spelled differently. So that made me like really confused for a minute. But anyone who wants to hear like late 90s fun, you know, electron, not electronic. Well, it’s got a lot Electronic, but Pit SC5, great band from the late 90s for. For Japan. So. Oh, speaking of music, we do find out what song that they were listening to that entire time.

And I think. I’m not positive, but I think it was a section of Ode to Joy, which is Beethoven’s ninth, fourth movement. Like a small little segment outside of the one that most people remember that has those words. But I think that’s the actual music that they were listening to to synchronize with each other. Because when they go and actually get into a battle at the end, that’s the music that they’re listening to in their avas. That’s what I took away from it. Sure. So although if they’re doing the Dance Dance Revolution, I don’t know, some of the beat should have been.

Maybe it was the boss Nova, Fly Me a Moon that they were synchronizing to. That would make a lot more sense. I mean, I play an orchestra, you slow down, the time signature changes, all that sort of stuff. Or maybe that’s why they were doing it, because of the changes. And you have to synchronize to that too, in that case. So this is a cooler, more practical version of using music for a fight sequence. Way better than Guardians of the Galaxy, where it’s just like needle drop fights. Like they’re doing a needle drop, but it’s for them to synchronize as they fight, not just to add a cool soundtrack to like a visual.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely like that touch. Any other things you want to throw in this episode? Because we. We got another one to talk about. Just. I know you try to kiss me while I was sleeping. Sorry, it was a digital kiss only. I guess we can do plugs and all that. Exit. Oh, yeah, good point. We. Okay, I’ll do a quick one. We were talking music. I try and reprogram your brain. Brain. It’s. You can go to roving sage media.com and look up anything that says Binaural beats. Or if you want podcast that I have like 20 plus up at binaurals Infinity.

You can just search that on your podcatcher, which does seem to have people just kind of stumbling in and playing the beat. So somebody seems to like it. And I. Since you’re listening to a podcast right now, I’ll just go ahead and tell you. Go and search for Paranoid American wherever you listen to podcasts, if it’s Spotify or Spreaker, Apple or any of the places. And there’s also another podcast that I’ve started called under the Docks where I review old conspiracy documentaries with my friend Sean Chris from Kill the Mockingbird podcast. And we’re. We’ll venture out into kind of normie documentaries, but right now we’re getting through all of the classics.

So we had like an Alex Jones month. We had a Kubrick month that we’ve got coming up. We’ve got an MK Ultra month coming up. So if you like conspiracies or if you like documentaries, especially if you like both, look up for under the docs. And that’s docs for obvious reasons. So now you can say it. I know, I know. You try to kiss me. While I was. I actually was thinking about saying that just to be completely. You saw me thinking about it, how to get it out. I was like, should I. Should I say that to him? Or is that just too obnoxious? So you gotta say it again.

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