➡ The Occult Disney podcast, hosted by Matt and Thomas, discusses Disney films from a unique perspective. In this episode, they analyze the movie “Brother Bear”, discussing its production, plot changes, and the cultural context of the film. They also explore the film’s animation style, character names, and the role of the Disney proxy, where a main character’s parent or guardian figure is killed off early in the film. The hosts also mention the film’s unexpected international success despite its North American setting.
➡ The speaker discusses their thoughts on the movie Brother Bear, comparing it to other films like The Lion King and Tarzan. They feel the music in Brother Bear doesn’t stand out and the movie’s moral questions are too deep for a young audience. They also speculate about Disney’s long-term strategy of creating diverse stories for future nostalgia and wonder when Brother Bear might be remade as a live-action film.
➡ The speaker discusses a movie, comparing it to other shows and films. They feel the movie is tired and lacks energy, even in its most entertaining parts. They appreciate the deeper, more serious themes in the movie, but feel it could have been more entertaining. They also discuss the role of a shaman character, questioning her decisions and comparing her to similar figures in other stories.
➡ The text discusses the role of shamans and how it has changed over time. It suggests that the commercialization of spiritual practices, like ayahuasca retreats, has made local shamans less relevant. The text also talks about the use of psychedelics, their legality, and how they were once considered sacred. Lastly, it mentions how laws around marijuana use have recently become stricter in Japan.
➡ The text discusses the speaker’s interest in meditation and shamanism, and their understanding of the role of mushrooms in Buddhism. They also talk about the cultural differences in the perception of mushrooms between the East and West. The speaker then delves into the concept of shamanism in Japan, and the importance of nature in this practice. Lastly, they critique the romanticization of nature and the idea that being more ‘natural’ is inherently better.
➡ The text discusses the relationship between humans and nature, highlighting that nature doesn’t operate on human ethics or morals. It explores the idea of respecting nature’s power, using examples from movies and real-life practices like factory farming and buffalo jumps. The text also questions whether it’s better to have a personal connection with the animals we consume or to be detached from the process. It ends by suggesting that using all parts of an animal, as in the production of hot dogs and chicken nuggets, might be a more respectful approach to nature.
➡ The text is a conversation about a person’s experiences and thoughts on farming, animal slaughter, and the contrast between human civilization and nature. It also discusses the plot of the movie ‘Brother Bear’, its sequel, and the movie ‘Ice Age’. The speaker reflects on the harsh realities of farming, the trauma of seeing a pet slaughtered, and the complexities of human civilization, including slavery. They also analyze the portrayal of humans and animals in the mentioned movies, suggesting that the films often depict nature and animals as superior to humans.
➡ The speaker discusses their thoughts on celestial bodies, questioning if the sun and moon have changed over time. They also mention their disappointment with a planetarium visit that focused more on dinosaurs than stars. The conversation then shifts to a Disney movie, “Wish,” which they found to be heavily influenced by occult themes. Lastly, they critique a scene from the movie “Brother Bear,” arguing that it inaccurately portrays bears as social creatures.
➡ The text discusses the inaccuracies in the portrayal of bears in the movie “Brother Bear”. The author points out that bears are solitary animals and do not form communities, contrary to what is shown in the movie. They also question the moral or lesson of the movie, finding it unclear and ambiguous. The author suggests that the movie “Grizzly Man” provides a more accurate depiction of bears and a clearer message about respecting the power of nature.
➡ The text discusses the evolution of Disney characters and movies, noting that many early 2000s Disney films didn’t have lasting impact. It also mentions the success of a new set of conspiracy theory-themed cards, which sold out quickly. The author expresses satisfaction in creating something they wanted to exist. The text ends with a promotion for binaural beats and various types of music available on a specific website.

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Yeah. A coke, isn’t it? Hello, welcome to the Occult Disney podcast, where we take all sorts of animals, mice and bears and moose. And check out what the slimy underbelly is underneath. The occult underbelly. I guess it doesn’t have to be slimy in the forest. It is, though. Hi, this is Matt here as always. Over there is Thomas. What up, what up? And I’d like the proper use of moose, one of my favorite animal names, because I believe it’s the same singular and plural. There you go. It is one moose, two moose. Yeah. As an english teacher, well, the big one is mice.

Right? Because mice show up a lot in books. I want to call multiple moose meese so badly. I do. But, you know, trying to explain to a four year old whose first language is Japanese. No, it’s one mouse, two mice that just like breaks their brain. They don’t follow that. It helps if you start and you teach them mkultra first, and then anytime like a weird semantic thing comes up, they’re like, oh, I get it. The programming. This is part of. I can understand two divergent things at the same time. It’s great. But yeah, it’s brother Bear today.

I’m going to guess this. This is the period of Disney films. I think that nobody’s seen them. Like, we’re the first person that I’ve ever seen these movies. Well, I mean, you usually do the number research. I assume that there was a return on this one, but I mean, this one’s a little bit weird because I’m looking at it. Budget, 46, box office, 250. You’re like, oh, that’s wildly popular. Right? But the thing that I guess got it was domestic was 80, meaning domestically it was a flop, but internationally it was a hit, which is interesting because it’s such a north american setting and stuff, right? Kind of, sort of.

I mean, it’s not necessarily modern american themed, so it has an international feel to it. Yeah. The setting is like Alaska because it’s not 100% clear, I think, you know, Pacific Northwest for sure, but specifically it is Alaska. I mean, I guess we’ll just start and get a little bit deep because I was trying my best to do some actual occult research for this and figure out the things that they leave out. And I think based on my brief research into this, and Disney was very vague about when this takes place, where it takes place, the specific tribe, I guess, of the peoples.

But I’m almost positive and I’m going to butcher the name, but it’s called like the tlingit’s t l I n g I t, which is the most northern of all the northwestern Pacific coast native alaskan first peoples. Because it’s kind of a mishmash of those two different groups. Right. Because the imperialists came and just split the two up a little bit. But I guess that’s the most one because they had a strong shaman thing where the shamans were known to communicate with the spirits and with animals in particular, but also the use of totems, which I guess is not as ubiquitous amongst all the different tribes, even in that region.

So a couple of those notes. But also it probably took place at least 14,000 years ago because they do show woolly mammoths at some point, right? I’m pretty sure they show willy mammoths. Yeah. It’s supposed to be quite prehistoric. So the date you’re saying sounds about right. Yeah. While I was watching, of course I want to start thinking about skinwalkers, but I guess that’s a more like a continental state sort of thing. So I don’t know if they are not. Yeah, but. And I hadn’t thought about the skinwalkers for a while, so I wanted to think about that.

But, yeah. Like multiple reality shows. Now that’s a side tangent for another time. Yeah. This is basically, it seems like a response to the Lion King after that was a surprise hit because that was supposed to be their b picture and it ended up being like wildly successful. So Eisner was like, yeah, more of the animal movies. Just put it in North America this time. And it took nine years for that to happen, I guess. So kind of a slow gestation, lots of different plot things in here. At one point it was going to be since.

Since the lion king was kind of a hamlet, this was going to be a king lear, which, you know, did not. That’s not the case now. Right. The other one, just to keep track of our proxy. What is the brother’s name that dies? Is that the middle brother’s? Denahi. The older brother is Sitka. Sitka was originally supposed to be dad. So he would die proxy style and then come back, you know, as a mufasa ghost, but now it’s his brother instead. So slight twist to the proxy, I guess. I don’t know. I don’t see why they changed it.

To be honest, I don’t either. That would have made sense. Although this one does have a unique perspective on the proxy in my mind. And that’s that in this movie, we become the person that kills the IP. So to restate, the Disney proxy is usually in the first few moments of the movie, they’ll kill the main protagonist parents so that they’re orphaned or they’re kidnapped or something. They’re separated from their only known authority slash parental slash guardian figure. And then the next thing that shows up on the screen is going to be some Disney mascot, some Disney IP that coincidentally shows up on lunchboxes and t shirts and happy meal toys.

Right. In this one, though, instead of your, instead of your parent dying and then you finding this new Disney sidekick, now you kill the Disney sidekicks parent and you have to kind of like live with this. And it’s almost Disney saying like, look what you’ve made us do. Right? Like, now you’re gonna do it. Yeah, you did it. No. And a couple things just at that point in the movie when he becomes a bear. Sorry, I should get these names correct. Can I, can I. There we go. Yeah. Oh, no. But a couple, they. Wizard of Oz.

It just a little bit. So I like that both them are a little bit subtle. The first one, the aspect ratio changed once he becomes a bear. It was kind of academy standard and then goes full widescreen once he becomes a bear. And the animation itself is a little bit muted and not so cartoonish up to that point. Once he becomes a bear, it becomes like full on Disney animation. So I thought those are a couple interesting, subtle production points. And those are very intentional ones too sometimes. Like, well, it could be an accident in that case.

No, of course they made that choice. The names themselves too are a little bit interesting. And maybe these are all totally normal names in this region, but the, the keen eye, just semantically and phonetically. Right, like having a keen eye. I just immediately gravitated towards that as being the protagonist’s name. Yeah, it’s all right. Mispronounce this canine. I knew I was saying it wrong as it was coming out. But, yeah, keen eye. Coda is easy to keep track of. Rut and toque, whatever. Danahi, am I getting that right? And Sitka, that’s. Guitar players love Sitka. That’s what the tops of acoustics are made out of, right? Well, if you have a decent one.

So. Yes, Sikka, definitely. Even if they make him be the older brother, after some iterations of this, he’s clearly the one guardian figure followed by that shaman grandma, or. I don’t even know if it’s necessarily related. Technically, if she’s the shaman of the tribe, then she’s everyone’s grandma. That’s kind of. Yeah, that’ll say grandma to everybody. Let’s see what is. It’s Michael, dark, Elmo, and Jungkook, I was told. Yeah, I was totally expecting, and I don’t know why, because I’d never seen this movie. I’d never even heard of it. I mean, we talked about the title of it.

I told you that was going to be country bears related, so I was way taken off guard when I saw it wasn’t a bunch of rednecks with, like, jaw harps and jugs. Well, yeah. Have you seen the live action country bear movie from about this time? That might be what you’re mixing up with, because a year before this, there is a live action one. We need to. We need to get into them. We need to figure out a way to get into this. Yeah, no, I’ve actually. My film podcast, I chose the country bears live action as my birthday pick last year.

The thing about movie is it’s really good, but the music actually blows for the most part. Like, it’s like, modern country, or they’re trying to get some pop in you into the mainstream. Right? But then the rest of the movie’s, like, great. Christopher Walken’s great in it. The script is funny. I mean, yeah, I do recommend that movie. This movie looks better. Brother Bear looks better. Although the animatronics and the country bears are quite cool. I mean, the attraction and the movie. But, yeah, I actually kind of. Maybe if I want to watch some weird bears, I’ll watch that instead of brother bear again.

You know, speaking of music, this one, I don’t even think it made an impact. I don’t know if it wasn’t. I wasn’t paying close enough attention. Bill’s back. It didn’t really have any breakout songs for me in particular, especially trying to match Lion King. Well, I mean, does it match Tarzan, I guess, is the question, right? Which now. Yeah, right. It was Elton John, Lion King. Right. Yeah. So this is them bringing old Phil back because maybe he didn’t have anything else to do. I don’t know. In this context, it doesn’t even hold like a candles fart to Lion King and Elton John.

No, no, but yeah, because he was like. Well, he didn’t. He was like, I don’t know how to write songs that I’m not singing because in Tarzan, if you remember, nobody sings. But this one was going to have more singing. But he was like, I can’t write songs that I’m not going to sing myself. Which, I mean, not as an ego thing, just like the style that I write songs and like other people, it doesn’t fit their singing style, you know. So they got Tina Turner for the opener, which isn’t. She doesn’t sound the same as Phil Collins.

Like, I guess it works. I mean, none of it really works that well because I can’t hum any of these tunes. Let’s see, what were the songs? Music. The Blind Boys of Alabama did some singing. Well, there’s also a part of this movie that I. And this might get a little bit ranty, and I’ll keep it contained into segments so it doesn’t turn into just one full blown rant. But I think also why this wouldn’t be able to hold a candle to Lion Kingdom outside of the soundtrack, which I do think is vital, but that in the Lion King, you never had to make a decision or judgment call between humans and animals.

You got to operate within the animal kingdom and then decide who you thought was going to be the good guys and bad guys and your favorite characters and everything. And anytime that we’ve got a Disney movie, maybe aside from Tarzan, because Tarzan does such a great job of kind of intertwining, but you almost have to make, like, a decision over whose side you’re on. And I think in this movie in particular, they do maybe a good slash bad job of that. Yeah, I’m looking at the song tells a great spirit, no way out transformation. I can’t remember what any of those sound like.

And I watched it for the second time last night. You know, you think one of those would stick by now? But. Yeah, I don’t know. I’ve never been that into Collins anyway. So, you know, something interesting we did home in the range already, which was going to come out first, and they flipped them because to promote brother Bear on the Lion King DVD or VHS or whatever was coming out in 2003. So they specifically wanted to put this on with the Lion King. So it came out first, which I guess that makes sense, but that might have rushed this one a touch.

Yeah. They were really banking on it to get a little bit across. And who’s to say that it didn’t work? It might not have worked incredibly well domestically, as they were hoping, but it probably contributed to it being profitable, period. Right? Yeah, but disappointing. Profitable. You know, like, nobody was like, wow, that worked. You know, this is the kind of thing where they, five years later, they would want to make an attraction at the parks out of it, that sort of thing. This is one of the three move, the last of the three movies that were mostly produced in Orlando.

So this was before. Yeah, this was before I had my hand in anything, or at least whatever they did for this one. Maybe it was just like Vo or something. A lot of the times Orlando would get staffed with doing the editing and the Vo and especially a lot of remote Vo where someone would. They used to have, like, a special attack, like, they wouldn’t use the Internet. It did like a phone line thing, but it wasn’t like a YDe. Phone line modem. Anyways, it would use one of these to do a lot of the ADR.

The dialogue you’re talking like, in 2011 or something, right? Correct. Yeah, because I was there from zero six to 2016. Okay, so I got you. I got right in the middle. What do you know? But, yeah, this was primarily. This one was the last one primarily made there. Like, they’re doing the main animation at the. At the time. The MGM. Disney. Disney. MGM studios, yes. So, so this one too. I think it’s a little bit interesting because I don’t recall, and I guess, related to that Disney proxy thing, but I don’t recall a lot of other movies where they explicitly kind of have.

You have to question morality on such, like a deep philosophical level to kids, essentially. Right. And it doesn’t fit into the normal mold for this. So part of my thinking is, brings me back to Disney’s real play here, just like, for a while. I don’t know if it’s still true, but there was this concept that McDonald’s might not have cared how much burger they sold if they could put the store in a really good location, because part of the business model was also just flipping real estate, just like owning and developing certain areas that were high traffic and then flipping those.

So anyways, there could be something beyond just what’s our domestic profit on this movie when it comes to Disney, especially if you believe, like I do, that they are totally in charge of weaponizing nostalgia and that they’re playing like this Fabian society long game where they’re planting seeds in your kids and your grandkids, and they might not necessarily care as much now about extracting money directly from your pocket. In the short term, obviously, there’s board members and there’s people where it’s their job to make sure it’s profitable day to day. But I think almost as an aggregor, as this, like this entity that lives outside the boardroom that is now this Disney universe thing, it needs almost to collect all the Pokemon, and this is its chance to collect that northern Pacific prehistoric Pokemon, like the ultra rare one.

Just so now it’s in its basket, essentially, it’s in this little Pokemon ball. So now for the next hundred years, for the next century or two, they’ve got this developed in IP, they got a character from this region in this time period. And that’s part of what I think is going to make Disney work over them even longer time is that they’ll have a story that it’s like, oh, you’re from the, the inglet tribe or whatever from, and your, your family dates back to 14,000 years, whatever. We actually have a movie about you. They’ll be able to say that to every tiny little demographic, even if it’s only 14,000 people on the planet or something.

So I don’t know, I feel like this is a reach and that sort of a dynamic for them. When do you think this one will reappear as a quote unquote live action movie? I mean, they’re going to have to start trowing the barrel before too long. Or will they remake a live action Beauty and the Beast again before they do this one? You know, what do you think? I, man, I’m really counting. Maybe not in our lifetime, or maybe it will be, but it’ll be a long time. Kind of blood and honey, but less d horror movie and more like b, like adult remake.

Like, I would love to see an accurate remake of some of these movies, you know, Tarzan or Beauty and the Beast, where it kind of follows, like, not, not the grim fairy tale directly, because even those were kind of over the top, but just like playing it out. Do you remember there was a show, beauty and the Beast in the late eighties? Yeah. Linda Hamilton was correct. Yeah. Was it Ron Perlman? Was the beast? It might have been Ron Perlman. And I’m not saying that that one was perfect, but I would love to see a theatrical, well produced, like, heavily budgeted version of that kind of a movie as Beauty and the Beast and Lion King and kind of all of these franchise, man.

It’s hard to. Okay, there we go. I finally found it was like ten down, I don’t think. Ron Perlman. Geez, I hate it when my memory is that sharp. Okay. For dumb things that don’t matter. No, I do remember because that was syndicated and that was one of the shows I didn’t like so much because it’s in contrast to the shows I liked better. Like, you know, the next generation, of course, is the gold standard in 1990 or whatever. Right? Well, that one was like very cheesy soap opera yemenite. Uh, like, it was basically a soap opera, beauty and the Beast, and it didn’t have any of the, the darker aspects of it or not as many.

It was like cats a little bit. It actually reminded me there was a children’s show around that time called Zoobly Zoo that had a really weird guy. Nightmare fuel. It’s very nightmare fuel, but I don’t know what it was. But that freaking show was just always on the channels and the time slots that I happen to be awake at wherever I was at. So I got a more than my share of zoobly zoo growing up, which might explain some things. Right. No, maybe the brother bear two. It’s not the animated sequel. It’s the revenant. That’s brother bear two.

Honestly. That’s a great way to phrase it. Yeah, that’s the remake is the revenant. Of course. That’s more like, what, the 19th century or something, is it? So time period is wrong. But yeah, you throw a woolly mammoth in there and you smooth a lot over. So the criticism I’m going to come out with this movie just, just as far as critically is, it just feels super tired. Do you get what I’m saying there? The music. Phil Collins sounds tired. Maybe he did all this energy on Tarzan and now he’s getting older, you know, tired. And the one that got me, I’m a big SCTV fan.

So we got Dave Thomas and Rick Moranis here doing the moose, and they’re doing their shtick from SCTV as the Mackenzie brothers, but they sound kind of tired doing it. And this is Rick Moranis’s last role, basically, I think in the past two years, he started thinking of doing stuff again, but, you know, he did his last live action in 97 and then 2003, he’s finished doing voice acting. And, yeah, he’s out. And ironically, that’s probably the most, like, energetic, entertaining part of the whole movie. If you can get over, like, oh, my God, there’s such a deep moral and philosophical revelation.

Thank you, Disney, for showing me these deep concepts. But really, like the moose just telling jokes and saying, hey, hey. Just doing that over and over, that was kind of the highlight of the movie. If it was more a, and less of whatever the hell, like, moralistic teachings we were getting, it would have been better for me, at least. See, for me, I’m just like, I want to watch SCTV now. Right? That’s, that’s what makes me think. So which is it a commercial for SCTV? I don’t know. I guess it’s how they wanted to get, they wanted to get teaching Chong for one of the movies.

We talked about it. Now I can’t remember, but this is maybe that, that line of thinking, just get the comedy duo and as you’re a comic relief, you know, I like it. I think it’s a good thought. And I think that it added a little bit of what this movie needed. Now, on the same time. Yeah, you’re like, it’s, it’s a little bit tired. The point I was making, the even, like, the most energetic part to me, well, if that was them tired, then, like, the rest of the movie was definitely not going to be incredibly entertaining.

I guess, for a regular viewer, that’s, I think that this is one of the deeper and more important Disney movies. Like, if you were to just put it on paper and just describe, I think this actually teaches an interesting perspective that we haven’t seen in any other Disney movie. It actually forces almost in a Ferngully way. But now instead of this ambiguous, well, you’re going to chop down the forest and where are we going to live now? It’s like, no, like, you killed my mom. You human killed my mom, and I’m a bear. And now you have to kind of explain that to me.

And he does to his face and he cries and there’s music. Like, all of that is pretty heavy. Like, I didn’t see this as an eight year old. Obviously, I was, I was working at Disney when this came out, right. But if I had seen this as a kid, I could definitely see this as being not just traumatizing, but maybe in a calculated way on Disney’s behalf, I’d be like, anti human a little bit or anti civilization a little bit more. Maybe that’s it. Because I was sitting there. Well, it’s not a food thing because they weren’t going to eat the bears.

They’re not trying to make you just feel bad because of that. But it is self preservation. That’s a weird thing. The animations in this is great music, not so great, but the animation is full standard, I think. Yeah, I mean, at this point, Disney has raised the bar, and they don’t necessarily, like, lower it, but sometimes they just plateau. Sometimes they phone it in a little bit because it’s almost like, I don’t know, I got a lot of bad analogies, but when a company owns monopoly over a certain technology, they’ll just release some b’s product every year just so that they’ve got a new schlock to kind of sell every year.

Right? As opposed. Yeah. You can fill in the blank with so many other versions of this, right? But this is kind of Disney’s version of that, where maybe they don’t have to innovate, maybe they don’t have to raise the bar and develop new technology every time. So this one feels a little bit of that, like riding on their own coattails, maybe. Also in one of those meetings, someone like me was like, hey, do you guys ever notice that whenever you think you’ve got the a movie, it’s really the b movie? And whenever you got the b movie, it’s the a? Like, maybe you guys don’t know what you’re doing.

Maybe the next time you think there’s an a movie, you should call it the b movie. You know, like, maybe someone did, like, a reverso psychology thing, and it just. It didn’t work. What’s this? And home on the range. Which one’s the a and which one’s the b? Home on the range is the. Is the b, I guess, right? Is that what you’re. Is that what you’re thinking, too, or is there a clear winner out of the two? I’m thinking there’s not a clear winner out of the two. Um, but this one had a lot more potential.

Like you said, that there’s lots of interesting themes here. It’s doing something a little different. It’s kind of like a marathon runner that’s winning the race and collapses, you know, ten yards from the finish line. But it’s your fault that it did that, and you need to think about it. That’s right. You killed it. Well, I want to talk about shamanism. How do you want to view that one? I did think we recently saw a very similar shaman sort of thing in a mononoke. Different Linz, of course. But the wise old lady of the tribe is kind of exiling because she knows that Kenai has turned into a bear, and he has to go be a bear now.

So it’s a little bit similar, butonoke, it’s a demon arm, and in here, you’re a bear now. I don’t know. And she doesn’t even miss a beat. She knows that it’s Kenai the entire time, like, brear after bear and just kind of, like, lives life as if everything else were incredibly normal. Also, though, it’s. I mean, you can play this card, right? Like, I’m the shaman, and I’ve got this wisdom, so I couldn’t tell your brothers what had happened, because you’re all going through this learning experience together. Right. But she, at any point, could have talked to the brother.

Right, Danahi. And been like, oh, by the way. By the way, your brother you’re looking for, he’s a bear now. He’s right there. That’s. That’s him. That’s the bear. If you need to talk, I can communicate through you, too, but apparently she doesn’t do that. Shamans tend to be very fickle and mysterious in their ways, which I’ll save this rant for a little bit later into the topic here, but it almost feels that it’s, like, this infantilized aspect of it where, oh, they’re just special. They’re just really special. You just got to let them do their thing in terms of letting the shaman not fall under the same scrutiny as anyone else in any other sort of scenario here.

If you were going to a therapist, a psychologist, a psychiatrist, a religious figure in any other form of society outside of, like, the shamans. Right. You might have friends and family. That’s like. I don’t know about that advice. It doesn’t actually sound like that makes a lot of sense. Are you sure this person. Did you get a second opinion? I almost feel that there’s. There’s no real way to get a second opinion in the world of shamanism without completely disrespecting, like, your shaman and their ancestors and your ancestors. And it probably starts, like, this whole thing, and I don’t know.

I don’t. I don’t like it. You don’t trust your local shaman? Yeah. Can you shop around for your local shamans, or is that it? And, like, well, you shop around for a guru, I guess, if you’re into that. I feel like that’s different, though, because you move towards your guru. Your shaman is kind of like the one that opens shop. It’s like if you. If your local cv’s just sucks or you’re 711. I think you got those right. I if you’re. Yeah, if your 711 sucks, which it probably doesn’t. If it’s in Japan, it’s probably awesome.

No, but if yours just happens to suck, that’s the one you’re stuck with. Unless you move. But most people don’t move to get to a better 711 unless they just really need whatever is at 711. Yeah, well, the 711 next to my house closed a few years ago. That was a bummer. So now I have to walk up a hill to get to the other 711. They’re really close. So the owner was like, which one’s more profitable? And closed the lesser one, which. And they serve, like, lobster and. And rare filet mignon and, like, sushi. And sushi, yeah, those are american things, rice bowls.

You can eat some good stuff. You can eat some perfectly decent food out of a japanese 711, which I don’t remember being the case in the states. So there’s another connection here, too, to interesting shaman notes, and I. They make a point that there is caribou here. It’s like, oh, my God, caribou. And caribou are basically just reindeer. My understanding is that the only difference between caribou and reindeer is what hemisphere you’re in, that you’re using, like, the different terminology, but they’re effectively like the same animal. And that’s one of my favorite shaman stories, the shaman reindeer, Tibet, where they saw reindeer eating these mushrooms and acting weird.

And then maybe one of them would pee, and another reindeer would eat the pee, and they would act weird. So one of the shamans like, let me go and eat some of that reindeer pee. And then they start tripping, and then we get Christmas. There’s a few dots between those, but that’s. That’s kind of how it works. They went for the pee. Wouldn’t you go for the mushroom? Well, you would, except the mushroom. If you eat it directly, you get sick. So you only get that, uh, desired stay after a lot of violent vomiting and a horrible, not great feeling, lots of stomach cramps and nausea.

But they’ve. They figured out if they ate the pee. You know, if you do eat the yellow snow, screw you, Frank zappa. And now, all of a sudden, they get the inebriation, they get the hallucinations, they get all of the desired effects, and none of the sickness and the nausea and the vomiting. And then one of them was smart enough. It was like, wait a minute. We don’t even have to drink reindeer pee. You can just drink my pee. You go these ends of cup. I think the siberian shaman were one of the first to set up lemonade stands for that reason, I believe.

Yeah. Oh, I had a witty thing I was going to say and forgot what it was. Too bad mushrooms, good shit. That’s a Bill Hicks bit. Yeah, eat the mushrooms. That’s good shit. This is pee, of course. Caps Christmas. Merry Christmas. There we go. Okay. But, of course, that’s a very different strain, I guess, as well, you know? Oh, yeah. I was just gonna go Zappa narc. That’s what I was gonna do. There we go. Was Zappa and narc. He was full in Laurel Canyon, you know? I don’t know if he’s specifically. I’m gonna say is pretty much definitely in cahoots with the structure of things.

You know, he’s straight laced, dude, being as weird as possible, hating the hippies. He’s an interesting Laurel Canyon strain, if you want to look into that. I mean, that said, there’s a couple Frank Zapp albums I love, but you look at the history and like, yeah, I think he was up to something. What did he know? What did he know? Well, it’s kind of like, you know, like the Grateful Dead. The idea of the Grateful Dead just being, like, basically FBI or CIA assets. Right? You know, spreading. Spreading psychedelics across the land. My take on that is all of these bands, like the birds or the Grateful Dead probably had one ringer, you know, one guy that was fully in cahoots with the.

With the system, and the other guys are just there jamming, you know, that’s kind of my take. Like, the birds, David Crosby had so much seediness on him, and the other guys actually do seem like they’re just playing in a band and happened to be at the right place at the right time or the wrong place at the wrong time. It depends how your. Your fame trip goes, I guess. Well, actually, I’ve got a good weave to bring us back here, too. But, I mean, out of all the things the CIA has done and could do, I would say giving you access to psychedelics might be one of the cooler things that they’ve done.

If all things being equal, there’s a lot of things that they could do to you that would be way uncool, way, way less cool than access to a psilocybin and salvia and LSD and fill in the blank. So if anyone’s listening out there, CIA agents are listening. If you’re looking for someone to experiment on one of your many projects, wittingly or unwittingly, I’d rather do the psychedelic ones and not any of the other ones that I’ve read about because all the other ones sound kind of horrible. I will be a psychedelic Johnny Appleseed. Yes, I can handle that role.

And the weave that I’ve got here, too. Is that in some regards, that proliferation of psychedelics kind of was the final blow to the whole concept of a shaman. At least now most people that I know, like regular, such a charge word, but like, all the normal people that I know, which I guess is none, their version of like an actual shaman. Usually it’s booking a flight and a hotel and going to like, Peru or something and do one of those ayahuasca retreats. And that’s sort of like the acceptable version of that. But it’s also, like flooded with just, you know, business.

Like real estate agents from Vegas meeting up with high end luxury horsehair mattress salesman from Norway. And, like, they’re all the ones that are going into these shaman retreats and stuff, which kind of proves the point a little bit that it’s been so commoditized at this point that having a local shaman is kind of completely irrelevant now. Like, you might go and go to, like, the one almost like if you were finding a guru, if you truly saw it as a life changing experience, that can solve some problem for you, opening doors, then, yeah, maybe you might shop around and fly halfway across the world in order to do one of these retreats or whatever.

But up until these were readily accessible, um, you would have to, like, go out, like, you were forced to go out and do like some long seeking adventure. So, I don’t know, pros and cons. I like that. Now you could just go to the, the corner store. In the near future you’ll probably be able to get any psychedelic you want, right? But you can go to the corner store in a lot of states now and get yourself a hallucinogen that used to be somewhat sacred. You’d have to go up like the Himalayas or the Afghani region or something.

Not in Japan. Japan keeps moving in the. No, Japan keeps moving the other direction. They’re just bearing their heels down. Just last week, smoking marijuana became illegal in Japan. Like, last week before that, it was only possession that was illegal. The actual act of smoking it was not. But they’ve now changed that law. How do you smoke it without possessing it? Would you have to light it on fire and stand next to it and just kind of like. Right. Because if you hold it. The second you hold it, you’re possessing it. Well, that’s the, that’s the point.

The law isn’t, doesn’t even matter, does it? But they still felt the need to make it, so. Yeah, and it’s America’s fault, actually. You, you could get stuff in, like, japanese drug stores up until after the war, and MacArthur made it illegal in Japan. But the thing is, once, you know, Japan never changes anything, so it’s just like very slow. There’s loopholes that always get closed and someone else finds one. But, yeah, that’s one thing. If you want to live in Japan, that’s something you have to give up, I guess. Hey, that’s one of the reasons I got more into meditation.

I was like, well, I guess I need to look for that. What’s it called in your brain? Oh, my God, why can’t I remember the name of the. Thank you. Yes, thank you. So, honestly, that’s why I started doing meditation. I was like, oh, maybe I can access that, you know, which I guess I did to a certain degree. So it worked. Become your own shaman is always a good advice if you can manage it, you know? Well, and there’s also when it, when it comes to psychedelics and shamanism in the eastern world, I guess. And you could probably correct me on some of this because I’m just a westerner talking based on what other westerners have, you know, RoPE, essentially.

But my understanding was that one of the tenets of Buddhism was that Buddha eats a mushroom and dies from it. And because of that, theres certain sects of Buddhism that even to this day kind of ban mushrooms. Youre not even allowed to come across them. You definitely cant eat them. Like, the mushrooms are just off the MENU indefinitely. But the story might have been that BudDHA originally knew what this certain type of psychedelic mushroom was and used it. And he went somewhere and someone went to prepare him one of these mushrooms, but they didn’t know the difference and they gave him the poisonous version of this.

Basically, instead of giving him an amanita, they gave him a poisonous version that looked identical to it and it killed him. And that’s turned it into this taboo where it’s like, well, this thing killed the BUdDHA. So now no one’s allowed to have mushrooms forever and ever and ever. And it still has, like a pretty harsh taboo in the east versus in the west, where most people are just ignorant of it. Japan loves mushrooms. You can pay tons of money for like, you know, like, you can go out and pay $100 for like, just a thing of mushrooms that were like, specially grown on a certain mountain or something.

So that particular taboo did not make it to Japan. Parts in India or whatever. Don’t know that that could be the case, but no, Japan loves mushrooms. I got a mushroom mountain not far from here where you can buy expensive mushrooms or. That’s awesome. I love expensive mushrooms. Yeah. Mas taque. That’s. That’s our local, uh, one that said, I don’t like mushrooms that much, but I don’t put them. Do you have any shaman? Do you have any local shaman? Probably. Do I personally know them? What do you think the local shaman would. Would be up to? Maybe hiking the hills and finding those, uh, particular shrooms of, uh, you know, fun psychedelic ness or something.

Um, I’m trying to think what. What do we have? Uh, so there’s a lot of chinese medicine stores. Uh, that. That’s something you don’t see much in the states. That’s not. Not shamanism. I’m looking for other things that would be inching in. Um, you know, the thing is, there’s the temple or a shrine in Japan. It’s not like, it’s not quite denominations and it’s not quite the same. So you’re going to find some place. It’s like a very Shinto shrine. The priest. There might be a little more along the lines of a shaman where if you find a very Zen Buddhism one, they’re going to be a Zen Buddhist and probably not like much of a.

More of a. More of a guru type or not. Or the Zen type. Right. You know, doing the ink and circles and that sort of thing. Yeah. I’d be like, that’s cool and everything. I like the circles, but like, where’s the mushrooms at? Bring out the mushrooms. Right. So you’d be going to the shinto ones. One, when I go to a temple or shrine, because I do little meditations at temples and shrines and, you know, usually there’s nobody there. Right. Or. But I do find the more red in the shrine, often the more kind of shinto it is.

It’s a sliding scale. Right. It’s like this much Shinto, this much Buddhist. It’s all together. But you can find places that, like, kind of push a little more this way or push a little more in the other direction. Although it’s greatly just an architecture thing because you’re just showing up by yourself. Right. So the way it works is there’s a big temple. So in Nagano City here we have Zenkoji. It is the. Actually, it’s the home of Zen Buddhism, like in Japan. It’s the main Zen Buddhist temple in Japan. As you go around, probably a couple hundred kilometers around, you’re going to find similar smaller looking temples and shrines.

So it’s like a McDonald’s, that’s the head office, and then these are all the franchises. Whereas I used to live in tsunami where they had a very different looking shrine. And around there you would find shrines like that, but you’ll find areas where there’s five different kinds because all the circles are overlapping and it’s not really necessary to know which one’s which. Well, I guess it makes sense, too, that Japan would have a bunch of equivalent shaman, because one of the other big factors in being a shaman is having some kind of communion with nature, like one that a normal Joe schmo wouldn’t have.

And that’s part of the reason that you go to consult the shaman, is because of nature, right? So typically, if you’re out in, like, the mountains, I guess, does that mean that shaman have no place in the city at all? Like, what if you’re just concrete jungle only? I wonder if that precludes you from being a shamanous. Yeah, but maybe that’s one of the reasons. In Japan there’s like, little enclaves of nature. Even in the middle of Tokyo, you know, you can find like a little park or a quiet street with some trees or something, because when you see Tokyo, they show you Shibuya crossing, which is insane.

But you could take a five minute walk from there and be in a very quiet place and even find some trees. Well, I guess even New York City’s got Central park, but there’s also areas that don’t have a five minute walk to a park. And that’s one of the themes of this movie, too. And this, I guess, continued part of my rant or just warming up a little bit. But this is this Disney theme that I guess is pretty big in the nineties and gets even bigger in like two thousands and forward. And I kind of think that it might be a side effect of, like, critical theory without getting, like, too all political and everything in the weeds.

But the critical theory is essentially just always find. I’m going to reduce it to a biased point of view here. The critical theory is kind of about always criticizing everything, always not necessarily solutions, just pointing out all the problems around you constantly in hopes that someone else will fix it. Like, if I just annoy everyone else about all the problems and something, then do better, you know, not do better. Here’s all the things you’re not doing great, do better. No other feedback. And part of that critical theory that you get from the Ferngully and the Wall e, which I’m excited to kind of get into, too, but even in brother bear in one of the lyrics, and it might be like the talking section of the lyric, but they make this certain claim about humans living side by side, like, it kind of ought to be right.

And it’s sort of a song that is written in the future, looking back at this present day, 14,000 years ago, about how great everything is. And they’re almost comparing it to modern times like, hey, before humans screw everything up, look at how great this is. But then the rest of the movie goes to show you how at any given point, you’re just going to be killed by a bear, and that you’re going to then kill that bear. It’s just like an endless cycle of suffering. And then the underlying story, though, according to that opening song, or it’s like, this is how things should be.

This is when things were better. You might get killed by a bear today. Okay, so when I woke up this morning, I had your email, you know, confirming this recording, and above that was one of those, like, quora things that just show up in your box. And the question was like, uh, could you survive ten minutes in a locked room with a gorilla? Uh, you have a kitchen knife and something else. Uh, the first point, of course, was, don’t use the kitchen knife because that’s instantly going to kill you. I think they were basically, like, crawling to the corner.

Bundle up, don’t make eye contact. That’s. That’s not living with nature, that’s cowering with nature. Right, right. And so. And I guess the. The whole crux of this whole concept of the rant is about this weird romanticizing of being natural. And I think that it’s just an another logical fallacy, just like almost anything else, where just because something’s more natural never makes it inherently better or more ethical or more moral or anything. It’s just from nature. Right, nature. And maybe this is biased, but I feel like it’s scientifically biased, but that nature doesn’t care about you.

Nature doesn’t have ethics or morals. I don’t know if it’s transcendent or adjacent to, but it does not operate on any other source of justice. Like, people try to kind of organize their societies and their cultures around. Nature doesn’t abide by any of that. Things can just happen on a whim. Hurricanes can happen, tornadoes and earthquakes. Like, there’s absolutely no morality in that unless you start, well, you know, God did it. Everyone was acting, you know how God didn’t want them to. So we made the earthquake happen. But the nature itself doesn’t really have any of those kind of qualities, I guess.

And maybe I’m talking from a modern american perspective and nothing from, like, an ancient, because I know some of the ancients really did believe some of this. And it’s like, oh, we’ve got to go and sacrifice our kids because nature’s angry at us again. But I think if you. You eliminate that aspect of it, it’s kind of like this weird fallacy that people like to cite constantly, but is, it’s so incomprehensible, it’s incompatible. And it feels almost like this genuine for when this becomes one of the Aesop fable style morals of a story where the whole basis of this movie in some way is like, okay, we’re going to take a look back at when humans live side by side in nature, back when things were better before humans screwed everything up.

And I don’t know. I don’t know if there were any better back then or now or anything. It’s. It almost feels like it’s all just been sort of lateral movement. Yeah. I mean, that’s why I say there’s the force of nature. It’s a. For you, I guess respecting nature is the important thing. Just a force for good. Nature’s not necessarily gonna be a force for good, respecting its power, you know, respecting the power of nature. I’m not talking as in, like, necessarily an environmental thing, although, you know, do that too, if you want. But respecting the power of nature that, you know, you don’t just, like, poke at nature in this movie, they’re there.

I mean, they are actively hunting mama Bear, but that’s after the incident with the basket. So the mistake in this movie is Kenai not hanging up that basket. If he had done that, nothing would have happened in this whole movie. So if we’re going to find the actual fault, the actual problem, it’s him not securing those salmon. Maybe. But I mean, really, the crux. Sure, that point. But I mean, yeah, the crux is man versus nature. In this movie, they kind of explicitly state that. But another example of that, right? Like you were saying, the connection or the respect, I guess, more in particular.

So if you were to compare, say, factory farming, where no one has a direct connect, at least the consumers of the, like, the guy that eats the hot dog doesn’t have a personal connection to any of the animals that went into making that hot dog. So he might not necessarily be able to worship the animal while it’s alive. And in fact, the animal is probably in a factory farm. It probably lives in, like, a little tiny closet that it can’t turn around and all this. Right? Like, it’s just like, got another cow’s ass and its face the whole time, or pig or whatever goes into it, the b flips and the pig anuses and everything, right? So, yeah, so maybe there’s no personal connection there, but in a dick devil’s advocate way, right? There’s another practice, and this wouldn’t be from the northern Pacific, but if you were to go on some of the other Native Americans, they also kind of get the naturalized treatment, like, oh, everything they did was fine because it was natural.

And they did these things called buffalo jumps. And it’s where they would work up a frenzy of buffalo, and they would cause them to jump over a cliff. They wouldn’t have to hunt them. They would just corner them and force them to jump off a cliff. And these are some of the instances where they might actually have a lot of waste because there’s that phrase of, like, use every part of the buffalo. This is from one of those tribal areas. And that was because they did. They turned, you know, every aspect of the buffalo, and there was the Gary Larson far side, and it’s like the guys holding up the weird little organ.

They’re like, this is the only part we don’t use. We don’t know what it’s for or whatever. But that premise is based on one of these tribes. But those buffalo jumps sometimes result in such a large herd that some of the food would just completely go to waste. There was nothing to do with it because there just wasn’t enough people to process it in the amount of time it would have taken without, you know, modern technology, refrigeration, everything. So this is an example of even native american sort of, like, revered culture where they had incredible amounts of food waste.

So now the difference is, well, they had a personal connection. They had personal respect. They honored the animals before and after, maybe. What about the ones that just freaking straight up died and rotted under the sun? Like, they might have said their piece afterwards or something. So now let’s say that it’s like a humane version where they raise the animals and they go and they talk to them Disney style, and then at a certain point, then they have to jump them off. They’re like, look, this is just part of how life is. Would you rather be killed by the person that has, like, loved and lived alongside you, that has developed a friendship with you, not a mercy killing.

Like, they just straight up one day, they’re like, Matt, I’m going to eat you now. Like, I’m hungry. And you’re like, what? We’ve been friends for years. What do you mean? We’ve lived? Like, you’d be going through all these theory, like, what did I do wrong? How can I fix this? Or would you rather be killed by some nameless, faceless, industrial, corporate nobody that’s literally putting you out of your misery? Would you rather be removed from a gleeful experience by a friend or put out of your misery by a stranger? I don’t know. I don’t even know if I can make the judgment call between those, but it feels like it’s not the most obvious answer to me.

I don’t know. Didn’t Disney come up with their own solution and home on the range where it’s like, here’s this lady that runs a farm with no production, then let’s just live there, right? And she basically loses the farm because he’s no longer running a business. Like, that’s not how you run a farm. So I feel like if you’re posing that question the next movie or the previous, it seems even in the Disney production schedule, we’re not sure which one should be considered first and second. But, yeah, maybe somebody thought of that, and the answer was la, la, la, la, you know? So I guess the whole point of that whole rant thing, though, is that this brother Bear is one of those movies that does kind of put that critical theory thought in the heads of eight year olds.

That’s like, hey, if you live in a city, hey, if you’re not, you know, if your family doesn’t come from 14,000 years ago, if you’re not hunting your own bear, then you’re part of the problem. And I don’t know, I’ve grown to think of this with a little bit more nuance. Maybe it’s just a defensive measure where I don’t want to feel bad for all the animals that have lived in horrible conditions just to turn into a spicy chicken sandwich that I put in the microwave or something. I want to separate myself from all the pain and suffering that that might be causing down the line.

But also, aren’t hot dogs and chicken nuggets where they grind up, like, the festering chicken bones and all of, like, the slop parts on the ground, and they bleach them, and they squish them into a pink paste, and they reconstitute them and deep fry them and give them to eight year olds. Isn’t that a better version of using all the buffalo? Yeah, and American Disney. It’s all chicken fingers, isn’t it? If you’re eating there? So I don’t know. I mean. I mean, to be fair, if I had to kill my animal, that if I want, you know, I had a real nice hamburger on Friday.

Right. But if I had to kill the cow in order to have that hamburger, I might shy away from that. I mean, I’m talking, you know, me in my position now, if I grew up on a farm or that was just what we did because that’s what we had to do. Now you’re used to it. I’m not used to that. I don’t think you’re used to it. My in laws farm. But they don’t have any animals. It’s all veggies, you know. No, and it’d be funny that you should mention that. I mean, I did grow up on a farm.

We just didn’t have a whole lot of animals. We definitely didn’t have a cow. My grandma also grew up on a farm, and when she was a little girl, she named one of the chickens, like, did, like, you know, she was a little kid. She, like, fell in love one of the chickens. It was, like her pet, and it came time to slaughter the chicken, and her parents were like, you live on a farm, like, this is what we do here. And after that day, she never ate chicken for the rest of her life. She would prepare it.

She would cook. I mean, she was an italian grandma, so there was no way that she wasn’t going to be preparing chicken for everyone all the time. But she never touched anything she made that had chicken in it, and she would always say it was because she saw her best friend. She saw her family kill her pet and eat it in front of her. And it was the most traumatic thing, I guess. Yeah. Some people are not cut out for it, but also, there’s probably someone out there that’s like, I’ll kill a cow, but I don’t want to sit in a room and talk into a microphone for 3 hours.

That’s crazy. You know what I mean? I mean, yeah. I mean, slapping on the table and whopping its head off. That sounds kind of intense, you know? I mean, it’s used in movies to be kind of intense sometimes. So. Yeah. Do I have the cojones to go kill the food I’m eating? No, probably nothing. So. Right. Well, and that’s, that’s even like a factory agricultural version of that. But again, like, if we’re talking native american tribes, particularly 14,000 years old, and we’re going to romanticize it and say, that’s back when, you know, humans were really living in nature, back when things should have been there.

I believe a lot of those tribes, too, like, they didn’t domesticate animals just for slaughter. So it was, it’s a, it’s apples and oranges. Not even. Also maybe 14,000 years is a little farther back. But let’s go back 6700 years. These idealic living with nature folks. We’re living in pretty urban societies. We just showed up with some nasty diseases and walked through the apocalypse. So the cities had already fallen apart once we got to them. And also, this is an interesting note. When I was doing research on that tlingit tribe, they from, I guess, dating back, I’ll say, 14,000 years, just because that’s the context of the Disney movie.

I don’t know of how far back this particular tradition goes, but they only recently, in the last, like, century or two compared to 14,000 years, abolished their own version of hereditary servitude. Meaning that in that tribe, even, I guess, in the context of that Disney movie, if your dad was a slave to, like, the rich guy on the edge of the tribe, and then you were born, like, you’re now the slave, too, and your kid’s going to be the slave and that kid’s kid’s going to be saved all the way up until Alaska got integrated into the United States, and they were like, you can’t do that anymore.

You’re all natural and everything’s great. You got to keep. You got to keep, like, you got to stop keeping all the slaves. No, I’m also looking at the timeline, just since we’re looking at such a past time, if we consider when is the asteroid hit supposed to be? Oh, the dryas. 800. Yeah, 10,800. So we’re looking pre that. I don’t know. I just thought that was kind of like when I was just thinking, right, because that apparently is part of what took out a lot of the woolly mammoths and the saber tooth tigers. And because there’s also a mention of saber tooth tigers in this movie when the main character, Kenai, I think he’s expecting to be like, this badass, and then he’s like, love bear, they basically tell him he’s a care bear.

Now I’m sitting here wondering when Ice Age came out. As in the movie ice age. It must have been around the same time. 2002, one year earlier. I wonder if this had any. Was in any way a response to that. I guess would have been production earlier, and the original impetus was the lion king, so maybe not, but, yeah. Yeah. I’m just sitting here thinking of ice age, which ramps up the cute factor with the animals. Of course, this does some of it, especially once the bear’s transformation occurs. But again, unless I’m totally rusty, but ice age doesn’t really feature any humans in there.

It has a little bit of humans. It shows them a little bit. We spend most of the time with the animals, but, I mean, here we actually do spend most of the time with the animals. One of them has just turned into a bear. Right. But, I mean, I guess the fact that, you know, that it’s really a human spirit in that bear changes it all. Like, it’s a human the whole time. Yeah. It’s been quite a while since I’ve seen ice age. Are they delivering? Not delivering as in, like, pregnancy? A baby. But I think they’re moving a baby.

Killed a stun. Da da da da. Tasked with bringing the baby alive. So they are moving a human baby and ice age. So there’s that human. That one’s around for the whole movie, but it doesn’t, you know, talk or them protecting the human. That’s essentially gonna hunt them into extinction, too. Right. But the image I remember most drop movie is kind of the, you know, the tribe going off into the, you know, the icy wastelands at the end or whatever, and not so much the cute animals so well. And to, I guess, emphasize my earlier point, too, like, the whole critical aspect of it is that even at the end of brother bear, Kenai gets transformed back into a person.

But then he’s like, humans suck. Make me a bear again. And they do it in the end. Okay, there’s a brother bear, too, in which I think that is reversed yet again. And he’s like, okay, actually being a bear does suck. Let me go back to being a human again. Yeah. First, there’s a canceled television spinoff. So this does not have the show where I’m like, oh, wow, this happened. What do you know? And it ends with Kenai and Neet. Oh, he goes jungle book and meets a girl he likes. It seems they should have come out with Kenai and Kell that would have killed.

Do they fall in love while he’s a bear? Okay. Sorry, I’m just kind of, like, scanning over this, but. Huh. Okay. Mandy Moore doing the voice of the girlfriend in that one. Okay. Weird. Anyway, there’s a brother bear two where they, I guess, transform him back and forth few other times, and it seems he eventually ends up human at the end with father’s blood. Wait, wait, wait. The spirits transform Nita into a bear? This is all too confusing. Okay, that’s. That’s where I’m coming down on. It looks very confusing to go on to brother bear, too.

So it’s good we don’t do the direct to dvd movies yet, right? That could be a really depressing budget hole. Let’s move on through your notes. I don’t know what portion of the rant you are on currently, but that was. That was the final note in the rant. Just because at the end of the movie, they kind of reconfirms that nature is better than civilization, the bears are better than humans in the context of this movie. And that. I mean, that kind of puts a huge exclamation point at the end of that statement. Well, I mean, I have a.

One of the guys I podcast with is definitely going to support the bears in any movie. He loves bears. Even in movie, though. You said that it was kind of keen eyes ball for leaving the fish out. Right, but leaving the fish out. The bear comes and gets the fish. But there’s also something that happens between those two things. When they find the bear eating the fish, they start throwing rocks at it. And at that point, it’s like the bear already got the fish. Like, now what are you doing just throwing rocks at this thing? None of that was self defense.

At that point, they actually trigger the bear to then be like, well, hell, if you’re throwing rocks me, you’re trying to hurt me. I need to get out of this. So it attacks and then runs away, and then they corner it. So it really is ultimately all humans that are causing the pain and the suffering in this particular context. Right. So it’s still violent to not respecting the power of nature. Right. Nature is going to claw you and bite you if you throw rocks at it. I did have some other ranty comments, but they’re just not part of, like, a long, tangential rant.

But one of them is the shaman Yana, right? Was that her name? Am I getting the name right? That’s real close. If it’s not it. Tanana. Tana. That sounds right. That’s it. Yes. So Tanana makes this note about, like, the spirits are what makes the moon change shape. And I guess I’m just like, is this just an example of, oh, wow, that’s really profound. But to me, it’s just like anyone that’s like, hey, what’s your sign? Oh, you know, Mercury’s in retrograde, and that’s why my cell connection keeps dropping. It almost feels like the same level of.

You’re just making things up. You’re just saying things and attributing them to the moon and celestial movements in place of actually understanding or describing what’s happening. Yeah. Although I think I was going to mention this, we had to, of course, delay this a bit. But a week and a half ago, I remember looking at the moon and being like, the moon looks brighter. That was kind of weird, like, for three nights in a row. Maybe it was because it was a harvest moon or something, but it’s like, the moon definitely looks brighter right now, and I didn’t quite work that out.

Sunspot activity, I don’t know. Have you? I’m a. I know a lot of people that make this claim often, but there’s like an idea that the sun is a different color than it was ten years ago or 20 years ago. Like, the sun itself is emitting a completely different color than it ever has before. Let me just look outside. But what are you basing it on? Have you memorized the color of the sun? Sun from. And you can actually differentiate? Because to me it’s just like, it’s the source of light. I guess I’ve never really noticed because you’re not supposed to look at it directly for one.

But also, light is kind of just a value scale of difference, right? Like, light can’t exist without dark and all that woo woo, esoteric occult Disney stuff. But it’s not like light. I mean, it can have a color inherently, but when we’re talking about the source of all light, aside from, like, phosphorus, you know, resources that I don’t know. Do you know what color the sun is? Can you compare it to ten years ago? No, not really. I just wanted to see light, so I looked outside, but that is like the moon thing. I’m just like, it just looks different.

Maybe it’s the clouds. I don’t know why, but definitely, like, there were like three nights in their own. It’s like the moon looks kind of different for some reason. Maybe someone can chime in with a wild theory as to why that may be. I think it’s waning now. So there just isn’t as much moon right now, but it would be way cooler if I knew exactly what phase the moon was in at all times. I do think that would be a cool party trick and maybe it would be helpful for humans, but I don’t know. We had the farmers almanac for that and farmers haven’t really had the best run over the last century.

So I don’t know if, if being in tune with nature is as important as it was 14,000 years ago. I mean, I like to spend a lot of time outside after this. I’m going to take one of my walks at night. I’m walking home from work and if it’s not cloudy, I’m kind of tracking at least simple stuff. Where’s Orion at this point in time? What phase is the moon in? If it’s. Even if I wanted to do that, there’s so much light pollution in downtown Orlando that you’re not even going to see the freaking stars.

Right. When I lived in Atlanta, that would never be the case. And I’m not getting the best star view here. I could drive off a little bit. We almost did that. My daughter got an astronomy assignment. So first it was going to be cloudy. We were going to go to this outdoor observatory at night, but then it’s going to be overcast, so no point in doing that. So we went to the planetariums where they stopped doing the part where they actually explained that days or that night’s sky. If you go to a planetarium, there’s usually the first ten or 15 minutes.

They’re just like, it’s that boring thing. They show the, the city around the bottom of the planetarium and just tell you where things are going to be. Right? And they don’t do that. They went straight to like a Tyrannosaurus rex movie in a planetarium. I’m like, I came here for the stars. Why am I looking at dinosaurs? Yeah, I mean, I wanted to make a bad joke of like planetarium in the place where they put on the pink Floyd laser light show things. I wish. No, we went to the science museum and I was just bummed out.

They changed the exhibits and they were all crappier. The planetarium didn’t do the actual educational part and it seemed, seemed dimmer than usual. They had a new projection machine and I didn’t think it would seem crappier than the old one, so I was just angry at this science museum I quite enjoyed going to ten years ago. Turned into crap. You know what happens though is they switch it back to like their normal schedule and then you just hear people like, where’s the dinosaur movie put on? The dinosaurs, right? Yeah, that’s what they want. They want the dinosaurs.

And kids don’t care about the actual astronomy, which honestly, you do fall asleep during that. But I fell asleep in the dinosaur movie. Well, see, I guess that’s part of the point here, though, is that you don’t need astrology or astronomy or any of these things if you can just wish upon a star. So if you can just put on Pinocchio or the new one, wish the new movie wish from Disney. You don’t really have to understand all that. Like, Disney understands that for you. And they can distill the most important parts and bake them into, uh, like the.

The motifs in the movies, right? Like that’s kind of their role here, is that they chew up the food for you and they spit it into your little baby bird mouth. Let’s look at wish. Okay, wish I’m. Whoa. This year or 2020? Last year, yeah. I was just curious how successful, because I remember hearing it was kind of a flop and, um, it was kind of a flop. I guess once you consider marketing. They spent almost $200 million on that movie. Wow, that kind of blew. I know animation costs, I guess movies cost that much now.

You know that movie. I guess skipping ahead a little bit because we’re not going to get to it for quite a while, but wish is one of the most occult Disney movies I’ve ever seen in my entire life. So there’s a freaking cliffhanger for you that’ll be an episode in like a year and a half grand finale, who I guess will probably have several films after that by that point, but it’s basically just Alistair Crowley retold through a Disney movie. Okay, that sounds like fun. Yeah. Last deck. There’s so many movies where I’m just like skipping it now.

Like, just like we’re going to get to it. So why bother watching any pixars I haven’t seen? You know, we’ll get there eventually. I’m going to see if I got anything else in my notes. Actually, I have not been looking at my notes, which I think is a good sign if I’m not looking at my notes now. Your man was stuck in my head at some point. The Trey Parker song, I don’t know why that is. Barry White and Luther Vandross probably got the love barrett totem. Okay. Yeah, I don’t. I don’t have much useful stuff here, but anything else you got in your.

A couple other. I’m towards the very end of mine, a couple other ranty notes, but I won’t make it, like, super ranty. But there’s the scene where Kenai meets up with the little baby bear. I guess this is where brother bear kind of comes from. They kind of form this brother relationship because the little bear. And this is the one where you, the viewer, who is keen eye, you’re supposed to relate to Kenai protagonist. You killed this bear’s mom, and you know it, and you got to break it to him at a certain point. But one of those scenes when he goes and meets the rest of the bears, this is kind of one of my favorite scenes in the movie where he’s, like, scared because all these big bears, and they’re fishing and they come up and they’re growling and stuff, and he cowers.

And then all of a sudden they’re like, hey, what are you afraid for? We’re all. We’re all friends here. Like, we’re just chilling out. That doesn’t happen. In fact, bears are one of the many examples of incredibly solitary creatures. The only exception is that there’s a bear that was litter. Like, it lost its mom. Then they might allow that bear to hang out until it gets big enough to pose a threat. But there’s this scene where they’re all in this river, you know, hunting salmon or whatever, and there’s, like, six or seven adult bears that are all just, like, chilling, like, one chick bear and stuff.

That wouldn’t happen, but that would, like, cause fights immediately. Also, I think they’re trying to do, like, the elephant sort of scene, you know, something from, again, a lion king or jungle book hanging with the elephants. It’s kind of because elephants do have herds, but there really aren’t bear herds. Like, bears are incredibly solitary animals. And the concept of, like, this brother bear thing, because there’s, like, this one chick there, too. But, like, the concept of this brother bear. Bears also practice infanticide. And it’s interesting. It’s a totally practical thing. So if you come across a young bear and you’re an old bear, you’re not like, hey, I’ll take you under my wing.

We’ll hang out. Now, it’ll kill the young bear. Because what happens is if there’s a young bear there, then it also means that it might be nursing. And if the mom’s nursing, then the mom won’t necessarily go into heat. So now the mom is not receptive to new gentlemen bear collars. Right. But if you kill the baby bear, then the bear practically stops suckling. At the mom. And after the mom doesn’t have a bear suckling, then it basically cuts. Um, like, if. If it doesn’t, uh, go through the whole lactation process, then it immediately starts transitioning back into heat.

So if you’re a bear on the prowl and you’re looking for some Milf bears, you’re killing every bear cub you see because you basically need to whack them all down. It’s like a whack a mole. And once you win the game, whack a mole, you get a hot bear that’s ready to go. So none of this happens. And the only reason I’m kind of ranting about it a little bit is that, again, in Disney fashion, it’s like, oh, all the bears go and they meet up and they have this cool bear community and stuff. Because it would kind of ruin part of the premise of this movie.

If they show up and the other bears are like, nope, this is my river. And it kills them and the movie ends. Well, that’s why the revenant’s the sequel, right? Mall up a leo there. But I guess we’ll start winding this one down then. Just as a weird note, this was the most widescreen animated film until the my little pony movie 14 years later. That’s a weird fact. You think you’d want to do widescreen animation? I don’t get it. I guess I’ve got a parting question. Maybe it’s rhetorical, but I’ll let you answer it. If you’ve got a good answer to this, I’ll at least have a snarky one, I imagine.

What the hell was the lesson of this movie? Hmm? Okay. No, actually, that’s a good question. That’s not a snark one. What is the message of this movie? Because I did not. I mean, obviously, like you said, there’s a little bit of a Ferngully, you know, nature’s better thing, but I don’t think that’s actually what it’s going for, is it? But in Ferngully, the message is kind of like, hey, don’t just mow down a rainforest for industrial reasons. But in this one, is it don’t kill a bear? Is that the changes in your life if you become a bear, just roll with it? I don’t know.

I mean, it really feels so ambiguous. Like, I feel like Disney. You’re supposed to, like, spoon feed me some sort of aesop morality fable so I know how I have changed into a better person just from consuming your movie. And this one doesn’t leave me with, like, a completed feeling in the same way. Like, it just leaves a bunch of weird, unresolved issues. Like, I guess we just got a kill bears. I guess all of life is suffering, and there’s no end to it. I mean, I guess the thing is, Kenai, there was. He didn’t have any particular problem.

It’s not like he had a character flaw he had to get over. I mean, he didn’t love getting the love bear totem, but whatever. That’s not really. I would have liked that. I think he messes up the basket. That’s why I brought that up, because that’s, like, kind of the worst thing he did. Well, I think his flaw was that he goes to seek revenge on this bear that kills Sitka, and that when he finally finds the bear, which ends up being the mom of, you know, his new, like, friend, I guess. But that. That was an act of revenge more than it was an act of stealth defense.

But even that is arguable to me. It’s like, I don’t know, man. If. If you’ve shown that there’s a bear that’s coming to where we live and keep all of our family and food and everything, and now that bear stees this area as a food source, you’ve just, like, it’s created a new problem, and you want to make sure that that bear, it’s almost like an ant, right? If an ant finds sugar in your house, and then he goes and tells the other ants, and they come back. No, you want to, like, kill the messenger ant so it can’t go back and tell the rest of the ants, like, hey, there’s food over here.

Just like you would want to kill this bear. So it doesn’t think that this is now where it goes for food now, because there’s always going to be fish in a basket, because now who else is going to be there in the way? Next time, I might take out, you know, the shaman grandma or something. So I don’t know. Like, that was originally what he did wrong was that he. He was seeking revenge, and it wasn’t just out of self preservation or respect, I guess. I don’t know. I guess that’s. That was leading to the question, like, what the hell was the message of this movie? The movie doesn’t paint it as self preservation like you.

I mean, in this part of Japan and north of here, sometimes bears start, you know, find a village they want to hang out in, and they’ve got to get rid of that bear, you know, either drank in and taking it somewhere completely different, which is difficult in Japan, because it’s not that big a country or, you know, shooting it. This is almost the inverse of Jungle Book, specifically jungle Book two, where it’s like the animals know that Mowgli coming would destroy everything that they got going on. Just like if a bear just shows up in your village.

If Baloo shows up in the village. Right. That’s a problem. Yeah, it’s a problem now. Now they’re going to kill Baloo. Yeah. So that is an interesting thing that the movie paints it as a revenge trip he’s on, but maybe it’s because he’s emotionally worked up about. But his brother did just get killed, so it’s not, you know, again, it’s not like a character flaw so much. You got carried away with a necessary task. Right. Yeah, I guess. I guess that’s a good way of phrasing this. There’s no. To me, there’s no discernible character flaw. So there’s no real story arc where the character goes through this transform.

Like in this one, he clearly goes through a transformative process, almost the emperor’s new groove, in a way. Right? Like, you’re going to turn to this animal so you can live through this new perspective and get a new appreciation for things. But that doesn’t really happen the same way. In fact, he’s like, hell, like, I’ll just stay a bear, you know? I don’t know. I’ll just stay a llama. Screw it. Yeah. Yeah. I don’t know. Maybe being. Maybe being an animal’s fun. I don’t know. I haven’t been one. I mean, humans are animals, but also the other.

The other live action remake of this movie. You ever seen the documentary grizzly man? I know of it, but, yeah, that’s also. Doesn’t end well. And then that one, it is a guy that is like, trying to, in the most altruistic way, live side by side with nature and respect nature and commune with nature and nature communes the right the heck back with them. Right. So that’s not respecting the power of nature. Respecting nature and respecting the power of nature. Two different things. And, you know, there’s. One is self preservation. One is, I guess, nice. So, yeah, that wasn’t nearly snarky enough to end this on.

No, no. It turned out to be an actual point, didn’t it? That there’s no, as my Trekkie friends say, there’s no real message, moral or meaning here. It’s just things happen and they’re to the end of that point though, the documentary Grizzly man has a more obvious message than brother Bear. So in that case I would almost that you show your kids grizzly man instead of brother Bear. Well, no one showed their kid brother bear anyway. That’s why everyone’s forgotten this movie exists. I mean, let’s get, you know, I don’t think there was ever any ip from this like after this.

I mean, they made a direct to video sequel because I guess it was at least that successful and they could, you know, maybe sell it abroad. Right. Well, honestly, that’s another really interesting point here though that I guess not as interesting as a Disney proxy, but the Disneyland sidekicks and IP that tend to develop better usually have some like over the top hyperbolic look to them or they’re, you know, they wear something crazy or there’s like something visually that sets them apart. In this case, there’s just bears. Yeah. Because I think the only Disney that really caught on in the first few years of the 21st century is stitch, who does look insane, right? This is like a bear who’s reasonably cute.

This looks like a bear home on the range. Nothing from that really stuck. Emperor’s new groove. Nothing from that really stuck. You could like those movies or not, but none of them had coattails. They came out, maybe had a sequel of some kind and then just kind of gotten were forgotten about. So it’s kind of the two thousands at Disney’s just kind of a blanc of technically proficient mediocrity to a certain degree, it seems. That’s why we’re relying on Pixar so much like any good corporate entity is. Right. Right. Now, I will say when we get to the 2010s that some of the actual Disney movies I quite like, and we will track how that happens.

But first we have to watch meets the Robinsons and bolt. So. And again, if Disney is playing that fabian society way of weaponizing nostalgia and owning every parts of every little culture and nick and cranny of the world just to amass cultural influence on every single corner, then yeah, you’re going to have to sit through some brother bears every once in a while. I guess we’ll end this one for today, though. But it’s now October. How are you kicking over at the paranoid american? We’re actually kicking pretty damn good. I released a new set of conspiracy cards that have got like, like Alex Jones and Isaac Cappy and like, all, all the big names, William Cooper.

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