➡ Sylvester Stallone didn’t get paid for a movie due to a scam that involved inflating the budget to write off profits. In the UK version of the movie “Demolition Man”, Taco Bell was replaced with Burger King due to licensing issues. The conversation also touched on the high prices at Planet Hollywood and a recap of the movie “Chicken Little”, where the main character tries to warn his town about an impending alien invasion but isn’t believed until the end.
➡ The text discusses a movie that could have been better if it had focused more on its UFO conspiracy theory elements. The movie includes a chase scene with alien ships and crop circles, but these elements are not explored further. The text also criticizes the movie for including a song with potentially inappropriate lyrics for children. The author suggests that the movie could have been improved by developing the characters’ backstories and focusing more on its unique elements.
➡ The text discusses the 2005 movie “Chicken Little”, highlighting its confusing elements and questionable messages. The author notes that the film includes inappropriate references and a strange subplot about parents not trusting their children. They also mention a character whose personality changes after an alien encounter, which the town accepts, and question the moral implications of this. The author ends by comparing the movie to a 1943 version and a recent Star Trek episode, suggesting that the older versions were better executed.
➡ In the 1943 version of a story, a wolf tries to eat hens protected by a tall fence and a farmer with a shotgun. The wolf uses a psychology book to manipulate the dumbest chicken, Chicken Little, into causing mass hysteria. The wolf tricks the chickens into hiding in a cave, where he eats them all. This story, which has been told for over 25 centuries, teaches that causing mass hysteria can lead to worse problems than the original fear.
➡ The discussion revolves around the story of Chicken Little, its origins, and different versions. They talk about how the story was first written down by the Grimm Brothers, but it feels like an Aesop fable. They also mention the American and British versions, Chicken Little and Chicken Licking respectively, and how the story was adapted by Disney. The conversation also touches on cultural aspects like KFC’s popularity in Japan during Christmas and the portrayal of Colonel Sanders in advertisements.
➡ The speaker discusses the success of a recently launched website, illuminaticomic.com, which offers a variety of products and rewards for pledges. They also mention their involvement in various podcasts, including one about films and another about the Twilight Zone. Additionally, they share their music through a link. The speaker then transitions into a poetic expression of their life experiences, emotions, and perspectives, using metaphors and vivid imagery.

Into the backstory. Apparently Sylvester Stallone never got paid for the movie at all. It was almost a complete Mafioso run style scam where they just overburdened the budget to write off all of the profits. So that I don’t, I don’t know how the math works, but it’s one of the, like, textbook examples of here’s how to, to con yourself through Hollywood movie and write everything off way beyond where it should. Which is, to me, it stands out because that one’s a legitimately good movie. Well, man, at least Taco Bell made out like gangbusters in that one.

Well, except for the reissue in UK when they lost the license and then they swap it to Burger King, I think. Really? Okay, that’s. Oh yeah, if you’ve never. Dude, this is actually worth hunting down a, a UK release of Demolition man because in the scene where they’re leaving Taco Bell as the door swings, it’s the worst cg like burger. Like, someone just went into the frames in Photoshop and just kind of placed a crappy JPEG Burger King on the door. And there’s even a certain point when someone’s like, oh, everyone knows that, you know, Taco Bell won the, the fast food wars.

But they’re like, everybody knows that Burger King won the fast food wars. It’s, it’s so horribly patched together. Okay, we’ll have to check that out. No, my, my thing was. Did you ever have the pleasure of eating under at Planet Hollywood? Of eating underneath a nude celestial Stallone in a petri dish? I think most. No. That actually sounds pretty awesome though. Yeah. Like many Planet Hollywood locations had that. You know, where you’d have this little. You can look up, you can look it up on the Internet. I can’t because my Internet’s not working. But if someone would have told me that, I maybe would have gone.

But even the Planet Hollywood that showed up in Orlando here, that one was always just known as the ripoff place that sold like a 20 burger. And that this is way before 20 burgers were the norm. You know, just because the world is ending. Yeah, that’s, that’s, that’s falling. That’s all Planet Hollywoods. But I think there’s still one in Malta for some reason. Well, I mean, yeah, that’s, that’s probably where the, the actual aliens make impact is going to be in Malta. Yeah. And then they’ll go to Planet Hollywood. So that makes sense. But I don’t, I do not know if they have the Demolition man prop there, though.

So I don’t think we did at the Atlanta one. But yeah, I only went to the Atlanta one, like, once for the reason you just mentioned. I get it. I did go to the Hard Rock, like, several times, though, so maybe their burger was slightly cheaper. I don’t know. I guess we haven’t cracked too deep into your notes yet. If you want to give us a blaster, I’ll give a quick recap of what happens in the movie so that we can walk through some of them, I guess symbolically, or at least some references to real stories.

So the it starts out, Chicken Little has something fallen on. We find out later that it’s a piece of a UFO that has cloaking technology, which explains why no one else can see this thing. He rings the bell, the whole town comes out, car crashes, yada, yada. He’s the dad, comes out and apologizes for his son. And we learn here, too, that classic Disney proxy, his mom is dead or gone. But we assume that the mom’s dead. So he’s just with the dad. And they’ve got some sort of strain in their relationship that they’re looking to patch up.

So time passes, and Chicken Little figures that since his dad was a star baseball player, he’s going to join the baseball team and just be great at baseball. And that’ll make his dad proud finally. It’s kind of like one of those. Those daddy issue stories. Very classic. He does that. He actually hits a home run, wins a game, ends up gaining some of his dad’s trust and respect back. And then the sky falls again. Another panel comes over and falls, I think, like into his room. And he finds it. And at this point, we actually see that it’s this hexagonal tile.

On the back of it, there’s a circuit board with little sort of IC chips in it. But when he puts it the other way around, it has this chameleon effect. So if he puts it on the ground, it looks like the ground he puts against the wall even puts his hand behind it, and it shows. There’s a refresh rate of like a second or two. So he puts his hand behind it. Second or two later, you see his hand on the panel. He takes it away, and then the hand goes away after a few seconds. So clearly showing, you know, children, here’s what cloaking technology kind of looks like, which is sort of the.

The coolest. I would say that’s the climax of the movie, is just when he finds this cool little cloaking panel. And then the rest of it is sort of telegraphed a little bit. But he try, he tells his friends about that this UFO panel was kind of in here. And then they eventually see an actual UFO come and land. They go inside the UFO ship and there’s a little sort of fuzzy troll hair creature, looks like the hair on a troll doll with just eyes in it. And then it follows them around and after they leave the ufo, it kind of stays back.

He goes and he tries and alerts all of the town folk again, hey, there’s this big ufo and it’s kind of a decent. This is another like one of the comedic beats. But the whole town’s following him. He’s like, come on over here, over here. And he leads him to the big baseball stadium, except for that there’s a penny on the ground. And everyone starts, someone’s like, ooh, a penny. And they all stop to pick up the penny. And if they hadn’t done that then they would have seen it. So I don’t know, that was the one good I, I guess like comedic effect that they threw into this movie.

But they all show up, the UFO is there, but it’s cloaked. And he’s trying to throw a rock at it, but he can’t throw very well because he’s kind of like a weak, you know, little lame Chicken little. He’s a little chicken with little chicken arms. So he can’t hit the ufo so everyone laughs at him again. So now his credibility is shot with the town and it’s shot with his dad. His dad’s basically like, I don’t believe you anymore. So he’s kind of have to go and prove this to himself. Except for the little troll doll creature, it stayed behind.

And then the ufo, the aliens, they shoot back out into outer space, realize that their kid is gone. And now they’re gonna launch like an all out search party slash war. And as you mentioned, they might even completely vaporize the entire Earth if they can’t find their kid back. So clearly it’s like a superior race, or at least they have superior technology compared to whatever we’ve got on Earth. They come back down, they, they find the little dude because Chicken little basically brings him to one of these alien exoskeleton death machines that have these sharp clippers and they shoot lasers and they can vaporize.

You hands them off and then they’re like, oh, our bad, we’re sorry. And then they un vaporize all the buildings and all the people that they had vaporized. So long story short is that he was right the entire time the world actually was about to end. The sky really was falling. And no one seems to acknowledge that at any point. Maybe at the very, very end because as it’s wrapping up they show them watching this in a movie theater. Like you mentioned, the, the peewee’s big adventure style ending. But, but in the retelling it’s not this wimpy little chicken little.

It’s kind of like this badass like Buck Rogers style space dude that you know, sp like a space ace. And they’re just blasting UFOs flying through space and there’s a huge intergalactic warfare happening. Like it makes it more interesting. But the whole premise of the movie is that he was right the whole time. No one believed him. Even his own dad, even the whole town. And that doesn’t really ever get resolved in in my opinion, like not there’s no real hero story arc. He doesn’t necessarily start out with any flaw that he has to overcome which is kind of a, a general basic ingredient for like a story.

If you sit down, you watch a movie for an hour, an hour and a half. Usually the main character goes through some sort of growth, some sort of major change and then returns back home and kind of shows off this, you know, new ability he’s got. But in this case it’s just that no one believed him. And then he was right. And then the end, right. I mean there are the story beats. There are. They could work. That’s from like 80 80. Maybe they had a good idea and then that last 20 just everything didn’t work.

You know if, if they had lean into conspiracy angle even forgetting the one where they go to camp like the one that didn’t get shot. But if it was just the same thing. But with his friends they’re trying to figure out what’s going on. Are these aliens. What are the aliens doing here? And just had the board and leaned into the X File kind of vibe. Then I think that this probably could have gone a little bit further. They. They have all of the ingredients for some pretty decent UFO conspiracy theory in here. For example, there’s a chase scene in which as they’re running through these corn fields because it’s you know, like, like farm based.

The alien ships chasing all them and blasting them form all these crop circles. So now you got this crop circle reference in the movie too. But that’s beginning end of it. After that chase scene, there’s no reference of the crop circles ever again. You don’t even see them from above like a bird’s eye view, just that one quick little chase scene as like an inside joke. But the. If they had just doubled down on all the inside jokes, I think that this could have been such a superior movie. And we and folks are like, oh, Disney wouldn’t do that.

You know, several months ago he did Recess where they did double down on that sort of thing. So it’s not like, yeah, compare this to recess. Recess wins. Oh yeah, yeah, that, that, that one does stick in my brain as actually being a pretty good what C tier movie. So. And that one had like IP to build off of. And not just in that it had a built in audience, but the IP had already been proven. It had already made it through some seasons. People liked it. They like the characters, the voices, the personalities. So it wouldn’t have been that hard of a stretch to turn this into that.

Whereas this movie, it almost seems that they’ve got all of like the placeholder characters, but none of them have any backstories that are elaborate or spelled out that I would even care about anyways. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, I want to know more about Fish out of Water. Yeah, I think that, yeah, there are so many other places they can done it and. Okay, now here’s the part that I, I feel a little awkward about because in all of the other movies that we’ve watched so far, aside from maybe Teacher’s Pet, that I went off on a little bit of like a transhumanist like rant on that one.

But all the other movies, Lion King, Aladdin, Rescuers, all the ones that are supposed to have these subliminal sex messages for kids, I kind of hand wave almost all of those away just because they seem so freaking mild. They like if you squint and you freeze this frame, you might see a booby in the Rescuers. If you have the laser disc edition only or if you saw it in the theater, you where you’d have no ability to kind of freeze frame it if you pause the frame when they jump into dust and it spells out the word maybe scx.

I think it’s actually sfx, but all of these very subtle things that you would have to be paying so close attention in order for it to register in this movie. I feel a little bit different though, so I don’t know if I should. I should have worn pearls so that I can clutch them right now. But something was weird about seeing these obvious children. Like it was like a duck and a pig and Chicken Little, I think. But I think it’s like the duck and the pig and they are covering. If you want to be my lover, you gotta get with my friends over and over again.

And that was weird to me. I almost feel like now if someone was like, this is inappropriately sexual for children. Almost every other instance of that, I roll my eyes. It’s like, come on. Like, can your kid even read that? But in this one, it’s like, I don’t know. This one does feel on the line. This one is a little bit awkward to imagine that these are, you know, basically like elementary style kids because they’re not very smart that are, you know, pantomiming. If you want to be my lover, you got to get with my friends.

Yeah. My note is just, this is a weird time to do Wannabe, so I’m not sure I noted the weirdness, I guess, is my point. And also, I know there’s. There’s all sorts of debate as to what the lyrics actually mean, because to. I mean, I can’t interpret it any other way that if you want to be my lover, you also have to have sex with all of my friends first. Which I. Doesn’t really make sense, but it’s the only way that I really can interpret. You have to get with my friends. Because if the intent was you have to, like, get to know all of them and let them meet you, and they have to vet you before I’ll get in relationship with you.

There’s a lot of other ways to say that than saying get with my friends. Yeah. I always assume that the Spice Girls wanted towards you with someone, so. Right. Well, and. And ironic, too, that one of the lyrics is something like, friends are forever or like, our friendship never ends. But I don’t know if they are actually friends anymore. Any of the Spice Girls, it seems like they. Maybe they spent too much time with each other. I think they recently had some kind of activity. They did a tour a few years ago, like, you know, missing maybe.

Maybe Victoria Beckham wasn’t around because she’s busy with other stuff. But it seems like occasionally they don’t do, like, new music or anything. You know, they’re. I guess they’re just like a veteran, you know, what? Not. Not novelty act. I mean, if they were really thick, then they could have, like a view. Imagine a Spice Girls version of the View. Yeah. Who knows? Maybe they do in England. No, that. That makes sense. I guess when we did Spice World, one of the guys in that podcast was positing it would be fun to make Spice World too.

But it just assumes, like, everything’s the same. They. They’re still touring that album like 25 years later. And in the. In the world of that movie, every day. They’ve been working every day. Yeah. Which is the main clear in the movie. They don’t get days off. So another just quick tangent on this particular song because they. They. They really emphasize it. They give it more than enough screen time. The stupid Spice Girl song. So one of the. The lyrics, apparently it was originally written about taking ecstasy, having sex on ecstasy. That was one of the original interpretations or inspirations for this song.

And then the zigzag ah part, which is like, I guess one of the biggest earworms in that song. One of the stories is that zigzag referred to when they were recording this album in the studio, the guy that was in the studio next to them, they had a Share a bathroom. And whenever the guy in the studio next door went to the bathroom, he always smoked a cigar and took a big, big, nasty, mean dump. So the original lyric was and cigar, but that ended up morphing into zigaziga because I guess they didn’t want to have the.

The phrase cigar out. I really want it, and I really want to in cigars. Isn’t that how the line goes? I mean, why would they say that I really, really, really want to in cigar. Yeah. But it’s turned into zigzaga. Yeah. Whenever you hear that, just think in cigar. Shouldn’t it be he really wants a and cigar? I don’t know. Okay. I don’t know. What does anything mean anymore? Especially when it comes to the Spice Girl. What does get with my friends mean? Anyways, we’re gonna go full lyrical breakdown on one of me. But, hey, maybe we should.

Well, because. Because again, this specifically is, though, the first time that I was like, oh, maybe there’s something to this. Like, Disney is over sexualizing children in these movies. This is kind of weird there. This is a song about doing sex on mdma and then a guy that’s taking grumpy cigar shits next door. So, you know, just a typical Disney fair. They should have gone to that angle more. But. But again, I think it’s just like, hey, let’s needle drop as much as we can. Like putting rm. I love rm. But putting on it’s the End of the World as We Know it for a.

A invasion. I mean, that’s. You can’t be on. More on the. You can’t be more on the nose than that. That’s ridiculous. You know, I mean, it’s like you can’t do it because it’s too obvious, but they did it anyway. There’s also a completely out of place Chickens Gone Wild joke which in 2005 or 2006, this was basically, what was it, Chicks Gone Wild or Girl Girls Gone Wild. Girls Gone Wild, yeah. But again, what a weird thing to shoehorn into this movie. It wasn’t even a funny joke that landed or anything. It was such a, an offhanded disposable line that I don’t know again, what are they, what are they doing to our kids? I guess 2,000, well, three, four, when they’re making the movie is just again, Shrek effect.

And everyone wants to be a bit of an edge. Lord, you know, it’s so out of place here. Like lean all the way in if you’re gonna do it. Don’t just have a ran like out of nowhere. This round edges, like nothing violent or nothing bad actually happens except for they’re pantomiming, having sex on ecstasy and then, you know, Girls Gone Wild videos. I’m taking a look here. It looks like, I was wondering because there’s such disparate elements if this was a multi studio production. But it seems they just, it seems that it was done in Burbank only, so.

Because that would make sense if some of it was done in Japan. Someone was done in Florida, someone was done in California, then you could see where elements wouldn’t fit. But I mean, I guess, well, they definitely had a number of Japanese credits in the final role. But who, I don’t really, I wasn’t paying attention to exactly what role they played. So it could have just been in between or type stuff too. Yeah, I, I, I’m still kind of like speed reading to see if I can figure out. No, they don’t seem to list that. Too bad.

But yeah, that, that could also be, you know, if you got folks in Japan doing it the traditional way and then people in Burbank trying to be like, let’s be edgy. And that doesn’t really mesh so well. And just the fact that that’s, you know, the original version concept sounded so much better. And the 1943 movie has a, as more of a narrative thread that makes sense, you know. Yeah, we’ll, we’ll get there. I got, I got a couple other observations about this one. We can talk about the good one, which is only eight minutes long.

An eight minute version that’s so much better than the theatrical version. The major motif that I got from this movie, Chicken Little, is that, kids, your parents don’t believe you, authority figures won’t believe you. So go and do these covert things. Go sneak out at night. Go do it all for yourself. Do without will. Exactly. And. And playing on top of that Disney proxy, which you don’t really find out until later in the movie when they’re like, oh, I wish your mom was here. Like, it’s just a really quick little conversation that they have. They don’t explain where the mom went or how long.

It does List. List Jerry Marshall’s character as Chicken Little’s father, who is a widower. So, okay, what did. Oh, he killed her. Wow. No, I know that’s not what that means. But. But the. The underlying premise here is that parents don’t trust you. Hey, kids, your parents will not trust you. And that’s the biggest thing because that from the very first scene until the very last scene, that’s sort of the motivation of our protagonist throughout the movie, is that he’s trying to patch this weird relationship with his dad where his dad isn’t proud of him, hasn’t earned his respect, and hasn’t even earned his trust, even though he’s been right the entire time.

And I don’t even know if we necessarily get, like, a hardcore heartfelt apology. It’s. It’s definitely in there a little bit. But it’s odd that this movie keeps bringing up the word closure. Like, it is very advanced, I guess, emotion. That’s closure. What? How? Yeah, there’s so. There’s so many references to closure that I don’t know if maybe on a couple different re watches, they’re doing some weird psychosis or, like, psychological trick in this movie, because as we get into the 1943 one, that one also has everything to do with psychology, but it’s done a little bit with less rounded edges.

And even though they. They telegraph it more, it makes more sense, too. I just like to imagine 2004, Michael Eisner just going into Burbank, you know, studio. They’re kicking me out. Put it’s closure. Put closure in the movie. This is the end. This is the end. I’m out. Finished. That’s what I’d like to think. Let’s see, two other my two last observations for this 2005 version of chicken Little. One of the characters gets their brains scrambled during reconstruction. So. Meaning that when the aliens come and they’re vaporizing people and they just kind of disappear, and you’re wondering, like, oh, are they dead now? Yeah.

Yeah. The fox is supposed to be the bully of the movie, but when they zap the fox back, she is now like a musical theater kid. And the aliens are like, oh, oops are bad. Do you want us to fix that? And the entire town’s like, no, we want the damaged brain scrambled version. Which morally speaking, I don’t know if that teaches the, the right sort of end goal here. But anyways, that yeah, they, they scramble somebody’s brain so that they act more socially appropriate and everyone’s okay with that. And then finally, another just weird sexual reference is that there’s a, a short clip of someone reading a cosmopolitry magazine which is supposed to be like a Cosmopolitan, but the issue is about bedside astrology.

So I don’t know. Again, it was just like a weird thing to shoehorn in since there nothing else was really edgy in this movie except for these kind of three sexualized references. I guess before I go to 1943, I’ll make two quick observations. Oh, I did giggle when that, when it comes out with you have hate mail. I thought that was actually legit funny. And should we just go into the wild, look into things? All the hexagons. Can we assume that the, the aliens are coming from the pole of Saturn? Yeah. And they’re probably all like, like theosophists, I’m assuming.

Yeah. How closely did you look at their star map where they have the X’d out planets? I might have missed something. I’m making sure I’m thinking of the correct movie because I, I, well this, I, this isn’t quite the synchro viewing, but I did just watch two animated Star Trek episodes as well. So I’m trying to make sure those wires don’t cross too much because I’m like, oh, they just turned to a scene in this movie though, where they find the aliens have a huge map of our solar system. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that’s good. Here they’re working their way from Pluto all the way to the sun, I guess.

And every other planet has a big red X on it and then there’s a big circle over Earth. So originally Chicken Little is thinking, oh my God, they’re going to blow up the earth. Which 10 also ends up being true. Which is, it’s weird. Like I don’t like this part of it, but ends up being true. But that was originally a red herring because they said, oh, that map has nothing to do with blowing up planets. We’re just looking for acorns. And we, we, we see that Earth has like the best acorns. So that’s the reason that all the other ones were xed out is because they didn’t have acorns.

Right, Right. Okay, well, I guess they didn’t blow up the Earth in the end, but they were about to. It’s weird. Like, why have the red herring and then be like, oh, and by the way, even though that was a red herring, we were going to blow up the Earth. Like, I don’t know when they’re parroting the Twilight Zone with the humans to cook 40 humans. If they had. Even if they had bitten off a little more of the twil Twilight Zone, this movie would have been much better. But just to say my confusion, there’s a.

I was right before this, I watched the new episode of Star Trek Lower Decks where they have a bunch of orbs and cubes that are fighting and on their ship it’s just a bunch of hovering orbs and cubes that hate each other. And at the end there, there’s an orb and cube baby, right? And I’m like, wait, wait, then. So obviously I’m like conflicting that with this where we have the geometrically shaped aliens and their baby. It’s just I did have weird relations. I did have. I did have weird. Yeah. Or are you in orbs or cubes? Which one do you hate? Hate mail.

I like oysters and clams. So yeah, we can go back to 1943, we’ll do the Wayne’s World thing. 1943. And we can even go farther back than 1940. But the 1943 Disney was, coincidentally is on that boxed set. Disney on the front lines, right. It’s one of the things that was included and I didn’t get that at first because I was reading through the Wikipedia page after I had watched a version and the version I watched doesn’t have the propaganda part in it, which was a very minor part, I guess, although the narration was somewhat similar.

So. So anyways, the recap of the 1943 version is that the. There’s a big bad wolf and the wolf is trying to figure out how he can eat all of the hens. But the hens are behind this huge wooden fence. The wooden fence is too tall for him to climb. It’s locked. They show all these locks and everything, so he can’t go through the fence that way. And the farmer has a shotgun, double barreled shotgun, which I’ve said this a million times before, but any Disney animation that has a gun in it already gets extra points for me, this one’s no different.

So these are the three reasons why he can’t just go in and wreak havoc on all of these. The hens and the roosters and everyone on the farm. So the fox basically comes up with this idea to scare one of the chickens because he’s reading this book on psychology. So this is the first version that I saw is the. The fox. And he’s got a certain. He. He’s reading lines out of it. So he kind of turns to the camera, he breaks the fourth wall, and he says something like, why would I. You just eat one when I can eat everyone here? I’m paraphrasing that.

And he opens up this psychology book and he reads out loud, and he says, to influence the masses, aim first at the least intelligent. And he puts the book back down and he’s looking around, he’s like, all right, who’s the dumbest one on this farm? And eventually his eyes glaze over. Chicken Little, who is ostensibly like an absolute idiot. So he basically decides that I’m gonna trick this. This village idiot, and if I can get the village idiot all riled up over something, then we don’t know what the. The rest of that is. It’s kind of like a dot, dot.

Now, in the original 1943 release of this, it wasn’t a book that said psychology. The book said Mein Kampf. So that’s where it turns into this anti Nazi propaganda. He’s literally reading Hitler’s Mein Kampf. And that’s where to influence the masses. Aim at the least intelligent. He also has something that says, if you tell a lie, don’t tell a little one, tell a big one. And this is a direct reference to the big lie, which is, I think. I can’t remember if it was Himmler or someone else in. In Hitler’s inner circle, but this quote was somewhat attributed to him of this big lie that, you know, the general concept is that society at large would be like, well, they wouldn’t lie about something that big, so it has to be true.

That’s kind of the premise of a big lie. If you tell a lie so big, then people would almost refuse to believe that the power, like the authorities over you would even have the gall to lie about something so obvious. Which makes sense for a movie in 2005 about UFOs and the government hiding UFOs from you. Yeah. So they should have leaned into that a little harder, I guess. I. I do have those discs. It’s been a few years since I watched that version. So I guess I was watching the propaganda version, but, you know, there’s.

When you’re watching that in the Warner Brothers stuff, you know, there starts to be lots of. You got Donald, Doug, Zeke Hiling, famously. Right? So. Right, right. But. But. But the point was that when I saw the first version of this one, I must have seen the re release that came out in the 60s. And that one, they redid the narrator, and they changed my comp to, say, psychology, which explains why it lost some of that propaganda. But he reads a couple of the other things out of this book, which I guess come from Minecamp. Paraphrasing.

But one of them is he notices that even after he tricks Chicken Little, Chicken Little tries to rile everyone up. But then the rooster, the guy that runs the entire coop, he comes over, and he sees that the sky falling was just a picture a. A piece of a wooden board that had a star painted on it, and the wolf had dropped this on Chicken Little. And then he kind of whispers at him. Hey, the. The world’s ending. You know, Run for your life. He tells him this directly, and Chicken Little kind of runs with this.

When everyone comes back, they see this piece of wood. They ridicule him. Oh, you idiot. This guy’s not really falling. So then he pops open mind comp again, and it says, undermine the fate of the masses in their leaders. So now he realizes I have to do a character assassination campaign on the rooster so that no one listens to the only person that was like, hey, you idiots, the sky’s not actually falling. So he tries to go for this angle. Long story short, he gets them worked up into a frenzy again and tells them the only place they can be safe is in this cave.

So all of the chickens run into this cave to be safe. The fox follows them in, shuts the door behind him with a big boulder, eats them all. They’re all dead. And this is actually the most accurate retelling of the historical grim fairy tales and prior versions of the story. In every one of those instances, the real ending is that the mass hysteria that Chicken Little causes ends up killing everybody because they get eaten by a fox. I guess the problem is not the problem, but the issue is that in the version that story, Chicken Little does have to be an absolute idiot, which is much funnier.

But 2005, Disney’s making their hail Mary pass. We need a cute new character. I mean, he didn’t take. I don’t remember Chicken Little being. Yeah, no, this is not it, man. This is definitely. And they tried because they had like archetypes and they had characters. But comparing this to Shrek, it just seems that they were trying too hard. Yeah, I, I just feel weird sitting here being ah, that masterpiece Shrek compared to this movie, you know, but they did it, did it, did what it was supposed to do. Right. In Shrek, like they took choices and choice they made are the ones on screen where Chicken Little again, it just seems like no one ever knew quite what to do with this one.

Maybe this is the time people started being like, Pixar knows how to break stories and Disney doesn’t, which we’ll give. They wanted to be really crazy with it. They could have just done the exact same premise, but it could have been like the New World Order version. Like instead of Hitler and Mein Kampf, it could have just been Bush and like the, the Iraq War. Or maybe it was like Bin Laden. Maybe this could have had like a Middle east sort of flair to it. Old man in the Mountain style, some Abu G scenes tossed in for fun.

Yeah, no, we were. I mean, if you’re to round the edges, why not round the edges of Abu Ghraib, Right? Like. Like actually do some real propaganda for once. Yeah, there we go. So, yeah, this is just a weird one because I, I do see usable pieces of this movie right there, but it just did not come together. It’s, you know, not the sum of its parts. And going back to the recent one, and it’s particularly egregious because this story is at least 25 centuries old. One of the earliest versions was from Buddhism and I. I hadn’t heard of the original book, but it was called the Jataka, I think, and the original one was a rabbit.

It was the, the sound the hair heard. And it’s about this dialogue of a rabbit that hears like a loud noise and he’s talking to God. And the. Basically the exact same premise, but this dates to somewhere around 200 BC. So it is a very old story, way older than grim fairy tales. Although by the time that it converts into a chicken, that was something that would. Was captured in Grimm’s fairy tales. And I think that was the first time it had been written in English and adapted to what we know of it now. But starting in 1823 and afterwards, it was one of these stories that kept being so popularized.

It was included in all these different collections of children’s stories. So now in 2005, you’ve literally had 25 centuries to refine the story, so there’s not a lot of excuses to get it wrong. Or phone it in. Well, maybe the excuse is it’s a parable, like you said. It’s kind of a Buddhist parable. And just stretching it out to an hour. 20 has to die, though, because everyone has to die. Is that if you cause mass hysteria, then you will end up creating a problem that is even worse than the thing that you were afraid of.

Like, you will literally, you know, everyone will die and succumb to this hysteria that you’ve created. So if you remove that aspect, there’s nothing to learn. There’s no character development of any kind. At least not the way that they did it. Yeah. Like, I was actually kind of surprised when you were saying Grim, because in my mind, Chicken Little, that’s. That’s Aesop fable. Right. Because that’s the tone of it. It’s that it’s like a short little thing that teaches you something. Right. Where it goes way before Grimm. But Grim was the first time that it was written down in, like, a Western approach outside of, like, this.

This Buddhist tale. No, I’m just here checking if it actually was an Aesop fable at any point. And I don’t think it was. So it just. It just says the feel of that, you know? Yeah. Another interesting link here, too, is that the original Briar Rabbit story, Brother Rabbit, takes some exercise that also is very similar to that Buddhist telling of Chicken Little. Except for in the original Briar Rabbit story, Briar Rabbit initiates the panic, but he doesn’t take part in the panic. But then the. The fox still ends up eating a bunch of people. Interestingly, when I went to search the.

The folktale, and as you probably did, too, you end up on a page called Henny Penny. Disney, they own that Chicken Little page now for the 2005 film. And I never. Chicken licking. I never heard that called chicken licking. The American version, once the grim fairy tale got adopted in America, it became Chicken Little. But in Britain and elsewhere in Europe, it was Chicken Licking and Henny Penny. And that’s because the original store, at least the grim version of that story, everyone had these rhyming names. So it was like Henny Penny and Cocky Locky and Ducky Lucky and Goosey Lucy.

Like, there are all these kind of silly rhyming names, which I know maybe that would have been better because. Yeah, as soon as you say Chicken Little, you’ve. You’ve lost all of that. Right. Yeah. I’m having a look here. And chicken licking just makes me think of kfc. Yeah. Yeah. Like, I can’t say I can, I’m not down with KFC because, you know, oh my God. How about that version when, when Chicken Little is like, everyone, everyone, they’re gonna cook us and serve us, like they’re gonna murder us because Hollywood exists and Harrison Ford wants some Kentucky.

Right, right. Like, oh, this guy again with the whole. They’re gonna drop us into a big vat of boiling oil. Who would do that? No one’s a monster here. Have we discussed how KFC just owns Japan during Christmas time? Yeah, I, I, Good move, man. Just like Chinese restaurants own a monopoly on any non Christmas or non Thanksgiving food on those days as well. Right, right. But yeah, no, every, people are already now it’s November 22nd and people are, are pre ordering their buckets of chicken for Christmas, which is a little weird. And the cake, I’m flipping that on its head.

I’m planning to go to a Japanese barbecue on Thanksgiving. That sounds good. Well, of course it says the guy who lives in Japan. I just hate turkey. I’ve never liked turkey or stuffing or any of it. Recent Kentucky advertisements in Japan, though, are fun. They’ve. They have a young, sexy Japanese Colonel now, as opposed to the old white man Colonel. Well, did you know there’s actually, I think it was a Lifetime movie. I don’t remember what station was actually on, but it was Mario Lopez. AJ Slater from Saved by the Bell plays a sexy Colonel Sanders.

Like, and it’s like a, like a steamy kind of tongue in cheek, but like a legitimate sort of Lifetime movie. Yeah, no, like the, in Japan that, that’s now like, they still have statues of old man Colonel, like outside the, the stores. But I’ve seen Legos of this too. I’ve seen Legos of the sexy Colonel. Okay. Like little minifigures the sexy colonels making the rounds. That’s, that’s good to know. When, when do we get a sexy Ronald McDonald? Is that too creepy? Look that up on the Internet. You’ll find an answer. Well, of course. What is it, Rule 34? Well, I’m not, not a pornographic one, but you can find Sexy Ronald.

Yeah, I, I remember finding that once and then sending a bunch of people dming the picture to a bunch of people. So. Oh, let’s see. Oh, one, one tiny little weird tangent that I looked up is that in the 1943 version of chicken Little, the Nazi propaganda one, I guess the anti Nazi propaganda one, when the wolf drops the star onto Chicken Little’s head, he gets it off of this wooden advertisement, and the wooden advertisement says, Madame Eon astrologist. And on the round the outside of it’s got these little stars. And I was just like, it’s a very specific name.

Madame is On. So I looked that up, and Madame is On is the name of a book that was published in 1899 about a lady that travels all over the world and is being hunted by like some weird, mysterious murderer guy. But it. It just seems too specific of a name to not have been a reference to this older book. I didn’t have enough time to like, read the book and get through all the synopsis and put any connections together for this one off little place where he got the star. But it did seem like an interesting rabbit hole that it was clearly named after this book.

Yeah, well, remember when you’re doing the original, the real old Disney films, it was like. Well, in the 1930s, the whole occultist thing was kind of trendy and a little more mainstream, you know? Yeah, yeah. Like I said, our grandparents probably talked about Moloch and Ball way more than. Than we do. Even if they didn’t have a Twitter. My Mik. That’s what my grandmother used to say. She didn’t say that. Yeah, I remember in the World’s Fair and they were feeding babies to the. The big giant bull statue. You’re like, okay, Grandma, let’s get you to bed.

I could. That’s. Couldn’t possibly have happened. You guys didn’t do anything cool back then. You were just like knitting. Yeah, everything in the past sucks. Anything else you want to throw out on. On either of our chickens? Yeah, I guess a couple little hidden Mickeys that came up in some of the research that. Cocky Locky, who is the. In the 1943 version, Cocky Locky is the rooster that kind of runs the coop. He has a cameo in Mickey’s Christmas Carol Dancing. Chicken little from the 1943 Nazi propaganda version. That Chicken Little appears in who Framed Roger Rabbit in one of the background scenes, but he’s got like the whole outfit on and everything.

And then also when they re released this one and took out the Nazi voiceover, this was called man is His Own Worst Enemy and it aired in 1962. So that one was uncut, but they replaced the narrator and it was done by someone named Ludwig von Drake. So there you go. There’s your trivia firepower. Hey, kids, gather on the tv. You’re gonna love this. Man is His Own Worst Enemy. That’s. That’s bad selling point. Hey, kids, who hears Red Minecom? I don’t see any Heads raised. But I. I really. I legitimately think that that 1943 version, when he’s saying, to influence the masses, aim at the least intelligent.

And then he says, if you tell a lie, tell a big lie. And then he says, to undermine the masses, you basically deteriorate their respect for their leaders. Like, these are all pretty, like, important lessons. This is like Sun Tzu, like Art of War that he’s kind of describing here. And now you compare that to the 2005 version. Like, what do you take away from the 2005 version? Seriously? Like, what. What like, groundbreaking information are you taking away? That your parents won’t trust you and that you should sing Spice Girl songs when you’re nine. And it’s very easy to damage alien drones.

I mean, they got the gun. They make that joke too, that the. He didn’t save the receipt on this panel that kept falling off. So that was like a. A running joke. Is that it? Even though they were superior, they still were kind of shopping in the. The bargain bin of Kmart. Well, he. Dad tosses a tin pan at one of these things and it just falls apart, you know, so. So how hard could it really be? What’s Elon really doing up there? Maybe it’s not all that much work. Yeah, go to space. Everyone can go to space.

Are we sending the chickens out to roost? Well, what’s. What’s the next one? Oh, next week is. Is it the Wild? My Internet is work is working against psychic. It is the Wild. The Wild. Okay, the Wild. This is. Oh, Directed by. Sorry, British listeners. Directed by animator Steve Spaz. Williams. That’s not an. Why did. That’s not a good nickname. We’ll have to look into that. That was the nickname. Or is a real. Yeah, it was in quotation. Steve Spaz. And I’ve already forgot his last name, but apparently that, you know, just like how we say bloody hell and nobody cares.

That’s. That’s another one that’s more offensive when you’re in. Over in the aisles. Oh, to call someone a spaz. Yeah, because. Yeah, just. Just I. I learned that. So now. Now people know. If you’re listening from the uk, don’t spaz out on us. There we go. What are you up to? I guess I’ll ask illuminaticomic.com it launched about 10 days ago. It’s absolutely exploding. It’s doing really well. Even if you’re listening to this in the future and it’s already come out, you can still go to illuminaticomic.com and get a copy. But if you’re listening to this now and it’s before, I think December 11th is the last day to make a pledge on the campaign.

This will be your one shot to get a huge freaking like gift packet of all the stuff because we’ve blasted through all these different stretch goals and milestones. So now even if you just get the lowest tier, which I think is a nine dollar pamphlet, it’s going to come with art prints and stickers and all sorts of extra goodies. So it would be crazy to not get in on this. All right. And on my end I keep referencing other podcasts I do so other than I call it Disney. I talk about a lot of films on films and filth.

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