Dying a Second Death in Coco (2017) w/ @FROThizzleReviews / @allflowsreachout

➡ “Coco” is a dark Disney movie that explores the concept of death and the afterlife. The story revolves around a boy named Miguel who, despite his family’s ban on music, aspires to be a musician like his great-great-grandfather. After stealing his ancestor’s guitar, Miguel is cursed and travels to the underworld where he uncovers a murder mystery. In the end, he is allowed to play music, resolving the family’s long-standing ban.
➡ The text is a conversation about the movie Coco, focusing on its cultural representation and the personal connections the speakers feel to it. They discuss the protagonist, Miguel, and his passion for music, which is forbidden in his family. The speakers also share their own experiences and feelings about the film, including how it resonates with their own cultural backgrounds and family dynamics.
➡ The speaker discusses their love for authentic New York-style pizza despite it causing mild indigestion. They also share their opinions on popular films like Titanic and Mission Impossible, suggesting that they could be improved with shorter runtimes and better pacing. They delve into conspiracy theories about hidden messages and symbolism in films, and the potential influence of organizations like the CIA and Scientology on Hollywood. They conclude by discussing the intentional and subconscious elements that filmmakers incorporate into their work.
➡ The text discusses the theory that Disney movies are designed to emotionally manipulate children, creating a traumatic event and then introducing a comforting character that can be marketed and sold. This process, referred to as the “Disney proxy,” is seen as a way to make money off intellectual property. The text also mentions the influence of Disney in various cultures and the incorporation of popular franchises into theme parks. Finally, it touches on the personal projects of the speakers, including music and film reviews.
➡ Thomas has released a comic book about the Bavarian Illuminati, tracing their history from the 1700s to the present day. The comic suggests that famous figures like Lady Gaga, Mozart, Beethoven, and Bach could be connected to the Illuminati. The comic is available on paranoidamerican.com, which also offers unique sticker sheets featuring various conspiracy theories. The text also includes lyrics from a song, expressing feelings of paranoia and defiance.
➡ The speaker discusses the similarities between different movies, particularly focusing on ‘Coco’ and ‘The Book of Life’. They suggest that ‘Coco’ may have borrowed ideas from ‘The Book of Life’, which was released earlier. They also mention this trend of similar movies being released around the same time in the film industry. The speaker also brings up the topic of adaptations and how big companies often take ideas from smaller, lesser-known creators.
➡ The discussion revolves around the dark themes in Disney movies, particularly in Coco, which explores the concept of death and the afterlife. The speakers discuss how Coco presents the idea of a second death, which occurs when someone is forgotten, and how this is tied to the character Mama Coco’s dementia. They also touch on the portrayal of the afterlife as a bureaucratic system, which some find unsettling. The conversation also includes references to other movies and their treatment of similar themes.
➡ The text discusses the movie Coco, focusing on its unique portrayal of the afterlife and the character development of Hector. It highlights the lack of sarcasm usually found in Disney movies and the role of the sidekick, which shifts from Hector to a non-speaking dog. The text also explores the cultural significance of honoring the dead, as seen in the movie, and compares it to similar traditions in various cultures. Lastly, it questions the implications of the ‘second death’ in the movie and whether it’s a desirable outcome.
➡ The text discusses the concept of afterlife as portrayed in the movie Coco. It talks about the idea of a second death, the significance of marigolds, and the magical token that allows one to move between the living and the dead. It also mentions the spirit animals, particularly the neon-colored dog, and the belief that one needs a dog to cross into the afterlife. The text also touches on the paradox of burying a dog alive to accompany its owner in death, and the concept of human pillars used as supernatural security. Lastly, it mentions the discomfort with the idea of a security screen in the afterlife and the need for a guitar in the Coco afterlife.
➡ The text discusses different types of yells used in various cultures, such as the Apache yell, the Hosana cry, and the Confederate yell, which are meant to invoke fear and adrenaline. It also mentions the ‘grito yell’ taught to a character named Miguel in a movie, which has historical roots dating back to 1810. The text further explores the concept of yells changing one’s mentality and physicality. It also delves into a darker theme of sacrificial rituals in ancient cultures, referencing a place called the ‘Cave of Terror’ where children were sacrificed. Lastly, it discusses the villainous character De La Cruz from a movie who tries to murder the protagonist, comparing this to other Disney films where the villain attempts to kill the main character.
➡ The text discusses the character De La Cruz from a movie, comparing him to a villain due to his willingness to betray others for success in the music industry. It also mentions a controversial attempt by Disney to trademark the phrase “Dia de las Muertos” for merchandising, which was met with backlash and eventually withdrawn. The text further discusses Disney’s habit of trademarking common words and public domain stories for their films, and how this can sometimes lead to controversy.
➡ Disney has a history of rebranding stories and characters to make them uniquely their own, like Aladdin and Hercules. The movie Coco explores the importance of music, showing how it can bring back memories even in dementia patients. The story also suggests that the family’s ban on music, which is central to the plot, might be seen as a curse, as it keeps them from fully connecting with their past and each other. The discussion ends with a humorous note on how long a Latina can hold a grudge, referencing the family’s long-standing ban on music.
➡ The text discusses a movie where a family grudge leads to a curse that forces them to sing whenever they try to speak. The family also suffers from a genetic predisposition to dementia, which is seen as another curse. The text also mentions influences from other films and series, such as Star Trek and Spirited Away, and debates the concept of spirit animals in the afterlife. The conversation ends with a discussion about the Twilight Zone series.

Coco is one of the darkest Disney movies, at least in terms of theme. Like we’re actually gonna get cursed. We’re gonna travel into the afterworld and we’re gonna terrify kids with the idea that you can’t. You don’t just die one time, you might actually die two times. And we don’t know what happens after the second time. Final death. Death will always be a mystery. The reasoning for the second one is really almost disturbing too because they’re saying, hey, if somebody forgets you for so long, you’re going to die a second time. And even that is pretty eerie to me.

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Encore. That’s a one time thing. Yeah, no inside baseball for folks, especially if they’re watching me like not playing the right chords and not moving my mouth. I’ve done podcasts before. I tried to do like a musical something and I know Zoom and probably Streamyard too. If you play a music on there, it’s like it sounds like absolute garbage. So you have to. So pro tip for any aspiring podcasters or experienced ones out there, you know, doing it in advance, which was 10 minutes ago in. In my world. So, you know, you move fast. But yeah, here we are.

I didn’t. Well, you know the movie because I just did the song. But yeah, it’s Coco today. That’s what we’re looking at. So. So Thomas, you want to. You want to run that ball a little more? I hope you die very soon. I thank you. You know, you know what I mean? In a good way. In a good way. Also I gotta. We gotta do a quick intro because we got a special guest today. I’m gonna do my best, but this is Afro All Flows Reach Out. He’s a rapper, actor, producer, I would say legend in the making because he’s worked with some of the all time hip hop legends on the planet.

Marco Polo, Pharaoh Monch. Already the Rugged Man DJ premiere. Gifted gab RIP he was on Jimmy Fallon, dropping some I Guess Real time freestyles. He’s been in a horror movie called Ass and then he’s also got a really good movie review series called Fro Dizzle Reviews where he gave, I think Ernest scared straight a 10 out of 10. So we’re homies for life just because I already know we’re on the same level. But. Welcome to Cold Dizzy. Man. Thank you so much for joining us for this one. Oh, your mic. Sorry about that. Thank you guys.

Thank you fellas for having me on the channel. I mean. And when I was talking to you originally, I mentioned that I had this occult Disney show and I had a list of movies that we already had lined up and you immediately snatched on the Coco and you were like, that’s my favorite Disney movie. So is that true or like my. It’s my favorite Disney film or Pixar film in the past, I would say 15 years. If we went. If we went before 15 years and you’re not allowed to pick Coco, what would be like your other top picks? Maybe Monsters, Inc.

Okay, I think, I think these are all good ones. Monster. It’s, it’s. It might be a tie between Monsters Inc. Or Finding Nemo, but I’m gonna probably lean just a little bit more so to Monsters Inc. Yeah. What if we go 2D? Go who? What if we go 2D? Like no, no 3D, no Pixar. Like classic out of the OGs, I would say, man, that’s a good one because I don’t know, I migrated more so towards the Pixar films. But the OGs. Well, I gotta shout the, the classic ones like Snow White and, And I don’t know, I don’t have a favorite 2D one, I think.

I mean you. I think you named my favorite, which is Snow White, which is about as OG Disney as you can get. Yeah, absolutely. It’s one of. Yeah, that’s one of the greater ones, I would say. I think I’m going with. With my Lilo and Stitch at this point, which is interesting because on our audio version of this podcast, it is the most listened to episode and I have no idea why. I guess even like a. Long before, like the live action one came out, like that was already like, people seem to gravitate towards that movie.

I love that one. That. That’s one of my favorites as well. The 2002 version. That. That’s. I just think the. The cast is great. It’s. It’s really wholesome. It’s a really. It’s nostalgic for me too. I’m A little bit younger. I’m 27, so I. I really grew up with it while I was. While I was younger, and that was one of my first introductions, so. But Lilo and Stitch always stuck with me. I always thought it was just not only hilarious, but really heartfelt as well. Yeah. One of my favorites on theme with, like, a cold Disney and conspiracy.

That was when we reviewed it. We were talking. That’s the first Disney movie that acknowledges the presence of a CIA and, like, a shadow government in a very. Yeah, you don’t got to read between the lines. They actually mention it. Right. In the movie. Right. So, Coco, I find it a little interesting you’re coming in with it as your favorite, which I. I get that. However, I. And I. I first saw this maybe a year after it came out. I should mention to listeners we’re jumping our timeline a lot because, hey, if someone wants to come on and, you know, talk about something, we can.

We can jump a few movies. So we are skipping several Pixars for people, you know, playing the home game. But, yeah, I first saw Coco. Probably not in the theater. I don’t see any of these in the theater because they’re. They’re only in Japanese and the Japanese theaters. So I saw a year later. I liked it. I did it for a podcast last year, and I thought it was really good, but it annoyed me. And last night, watching it. And we’ll get into reasons. It was kind of making me angry. What? Oh, wow. How so? Be angry again.

Is it well made? For sure. But there’s things in here that do not sit well in my. In the. In the deeper recesses of my being, which I guess we’ll get into more later, but. Okay. Okay. All right. I’m. I’m excited about that, actually. I’m definitely not like, oh, it’s your favorite. How could you do that? You’re that. Nothing like that, man. I’m just like, there. It’s. They. It doesn’t sit with me for, like, metaphysical reasons. Okay. I mean, that’s no problem. If it is in gel without, you know, without. If it just doesn’t gel with you, that’s no problem at all.

Yeah, it did the first time, and each time I watch, it gels less, which I find kind of fascinating. So maybe we’ll get into that story, man. Like, every time I see Toy Story, I like it a little bit less for some reasons. And I like a little bit more for some reasons. Are you talking three specifically? I think three did such a doozy on me. That it’s affecting two in one. Like it’s splashing back into the past a little bit. Okay, this might be my Toy Story 3 with Coco and with Choice, I could understand you knew it was a good movie and well made and all that, but there’s that something in the spot sauce, you know, is.

Is a little rotten for some of us, I guess. Well, let me. Let me do the really quick spoiler overview of what happens in the movie, and you guys can fill in anything that. That I miss. It’s obvious, but Coco’s about this kid Miguel that grows up in a family that has banned music because the great great grandpa way back in the day went off to become a famous musician and never came back. And the rest of the family holds that against great great Grandpa. No music. Everyone’s got to make shoes for the rest of their lives.

This kid goes to steal the grandpa’s guitar. He ends up getting cursed. On Day of the Dead, he has to go into the underworld and then figure out a way to get back into the real world again. And all along, he’s kind of like meeting some other dead people. He kind of uncovers this huge murder mystery, but that’s essentially the premise of the movie. And I guess the biggest spoiler alert is that he’s allowed to play music at the end. I hope that doesn’t surprise anyone in a. In a Disney movie. Yeah, and there’s music and songs.

I know there’s a few little points that we’re going to get into, but I think that’s kind of the summary of the movie. Songs are good. I mean, I learned remembering last year because it was funny. We did the podcast and then I had a new co worker from. From Mexico and I’m talking to him and somehow I said, oh, I just did the Coco podcast. And these kids were like, oh, you’re Mexican. They just started singing a song. And then the kids, like, you know, 10 year olds made me learn to play the song on the spot because I had my guitar at work that day.

So. So I am a guy who has a guitar at work. To me, another reason maybe this movie doesn’t sit with me. I’m a guy that, like today I’m taking a guitar to work and it’s 90 something degrees. Maybe again, we talked about how I forgot. I know Fahrenheit, I know Celsius, but I can’t square the circle, you know? Yeah. The modern hell. I’m taking a guitar. So. Sorry. Go ahead. No, you’re good. I think what really resonated me with the film is that as someone who I’m half Mexican and I grew up in a Spanish speaking household.

So it gelled with me a bit more personally seeing that a lot of the characters in this film really reminded me of my uncles and my relatives and, you know, my aunts and my tias and Theo. So it was, it felt really. It was one of the first Pixar films where I felt like I can look at the characters and be like, wow, these can be some of my family members. And as much as I enjoy Toy Story and Monsters Inc. And there’s some of my big mega favorites, I don’t get that feeling from that. So that’s why I felt like Coco was one of the more special ones for me in the past, like, decade or so.

Did you celebrate Day of the Dead growing up? Personally, no, but I have. We would go to Mexico and Tijuana a couple times here and there where they would be celebrating it. So I do remember being young and walking down the streets and seeing some of the parades and some of the celebrations for it. So I do remember the face paint and, and the music and. Yeah, I can remember. I remember as easy. When I was around 8, maybe 8 or 9 years old, I got to experience some of that. If you’re 8 or 9 years old and you see a bunch of people out in the streets dressed up as skeletons and dancing, like, what do you think right away? Did it freak you out at all originally or was it something cool? At 5 years old, I was already watching Training Day with Denzel.

I was already watching scary. Scary Movie 1 was one of the very first movies I ever saw. Scream 1 as well. I was already watching all that before the age of 8 or 9. So when I seen the skeletons in the streets, that was nothing. Little faces of death here and there. Yeah. Rotting corpses, zombies on the streets seems fine, but it’s also, it’s also a culture inherit. You know, it’s a culture thing. I do want to throw one thing out. I mentioned I did a podcast last year. Our guest was. She was a Mexican animator who had moved to Japan and like, like Animates anime.

And one of her things was she felt like Miguel was not a Mexican boy, he was an American boy. And that sat weird with her. I thought that was kind of interesting. And well, I guess in your case, because you’re South Cali and then you’re visiting sometimes and she was like, she’s like, there’s no family in Mexico that would ban music, which they do say in the movie, like, this is the one family that did it. You know, they do mention weird things, so. But that kind of sat with me where she felt. And so I’m just curious what you, what we.

How you feel about that, like Miguel being more American than like Mexican. I don’t know, me personally, I didn’t get that too much of that vibe because of the root of the family that Miguel is surrounded by. I mean, it really rang really reminiscent of how my grandma would be pretty strict on certain things. Not so music. But there are definitely other things that, where I can hear the grandma in this film, how she’s yelling at Miguel like that. That’s. That’s extremely similar to how my grandma would yell. And I, I don’t. I just didn’t get the American sense from Miguel, you know, from my personal experience.

No, I was curious because you said the family was legit. Right? Like everyone around him seemed like. Yeah, it’s pretty on the nose. Especially the, the relatives around Miguel in the film. Have you ever been hit with chunkless? Me? No, But I have been. I got my ear pulled. I’ve gotten my ass whooped a couple times. So. Matt, you’ve been hit with a sandal before? Sandal? Not that I can remember. I’m trying to think of things I’ve been hit with in general. Usually just, you know, things falling on my head and stuff. So Isaac Newton over here, the only.

Yeah, that’s right. No, I remember the only. The only time I’ve been in a proper fist fight was actually as a. I was like 13 or 14 years old as a boy scout and I’m standing in the patrol room with a kid and we’re both like, we’ve never been a fist fight. Let’s try having a fist fight. So it was like a gleeful, fun fist fight. We were punching each other. So I mean, that’s what, that’s what, you know, 13 year olds do, right? No, that’s what friend. Yeah, that’s what good friends do. Especially around that time.

Yeah, absolutely. That’s one of the things that I think was missing from this movie a little bit is that it doesn’t seem like Miguel has any friends outside of his family and outside of his dog. So when he goes into this afterlife, pretty much everyone he meets is a potential friend and they kind of become that way. And I, I thought that it stood out for me because I emphasize it. Well, again, yeah, music is his only friend in this case. Right. Yeah, I agree with, I agree with that. They Painted him more so minus the dot.

Well, he is. He does feel like an outcast as well. He’s the only one really in the family that wants to play the music like in the real world. And they keep telling him that he can’t. So he does feel really blocked up and really barricaded. And I could. You know, there’s that voice where he. He says when she smashes the guitar to grandma, and that’s his last straw. And then he starts running, you know, running for it. I can. I can feel that frustration with them, you know, and it really made me feel like he was alone in that sense.

An Animal house where they smash the guitar at the party. That always leaves me feeling a little raw. I think that it’s an interesting moment in this movie, though, first of all, to be told that you’re not allowed to listen or play music to Miguel. And, you know, Miguel’s gonna be the protagonist. So this is the. The eyes of the character that you’re going to be living through for the most of it. So then every time we hear music in this movie, you kind of feel like you’re doing something wrong or that, like, you need to keep it secret.

It’s this forbidden taboo, which is completely different from any other Disney movie I think we’ve seen so far that at no point is someone like, you’re not allowed to play music. And then we just see them play music and we’re hearing music the entire time. Yeah, no, that’s a great point. I’ve. I agree. I agree with that. So I usually get a little bit of the production, how this film came to be, and it actually. This is a direct line From Toy Story 3 to Coco Lee Unrek. Unkrick. I don’t even know how to say his name.

Unkrich. Okay. Anyway, he directed Toy Story 3 and after that, started developing Coco, which originally was going to be an American child learning about his Mexican heritage and this happening. And at some point, they decided to actually move the story, which. Which is smart. The weird thing is it. It is like a bunch of, like, white dudes in California trying to crack this formula for the most part. So they did get a. All at least Hispanic blood voice cast to do it. Some of them do the Spanish version voices in the English, so you get the same actor in both language versions.

So that’s kind of cool. The. The only non Hispanic blood voice actors, they have to put John Ratzenberger in because he’s in every movie. So they give him one word. I think he says, stop. In here somewhere, actually. I don’t remember what word he says, but it was like, yeah, they had to give that little thing out. But he plays. He. He plays the dentist who puts his picture on in Ofrenda. So he plays the. The small role as a dentist. Okay, there we go. Yeah, so you got to give him his little bit. But it’s.

It’s that movie pairing thing where, you know, sometimes you want to go with the underdog. I. I love Armageddon, but I’m like, we should watch Deep Impact too. Ants and a Bug Life, both of them are kind of not. We. We didn’t have a good time revisiting a bug’s life. I think we’d have a worse time revisiting ants, probably. Where is I going with this? Oh, yeah. The other movie this year is the Book of Life, an animated film made in Mexico by Mexico. I heard that one was great. I didn’t get to see it. It’s kind of better than this one.

That’s. That’s one of the things against Coco. This is the Pixar crowd, like, oh, trying to, you know, let’s learn. I mean, it’s cool that they’re like, let’s try and authentically learn this culture. They hired a few, like, token people, but it’s still the Pixar people making this. Right. So where the Book of Life does feel a little more authentic, it’s got a little more artistry to. Is kind of a better movie. So. Oh, the one that always pisses me off, and I’ve mentioned on the podcast before, is Despicable Me with the Minions and Megam Mind.

And I was always on Team Mega Mind. Still am. Although the recent Megamind looks like it’s garbage. So just. Just that first movie. But yeah, that, that. I guess that and that. That’s not even the thing that, like, bugs me. That’s the metaphysics. We’re going to get into more on that. But I am like, hey, there’s this movie, say, made the same year, which is kind of, like, more legit. Is that too hipster of me? I don’t know. I’m glad that I haven’t seen the other one that you’re talking about. So I got to go into this one a little fresh, but I’ll have to now I’m gonna have to watch that one, so we can talk about it later.

Well, to be. To be fair, I remember seeing the poster when it came out, and the poster even looked almost identical to Coco. So I definitely got that feeling of how it. I can see the similarities or how, you know, maybe even the look of the marketing too. I. I remember catching, like I went into the living room and my nieces, my niece and nephew, they’re. They’re younger. They’re about five and two years old, and they were watching Book of Life, like, not that long ago. I remember ice cubes playing like the big giant God figure or something like that.

And I remember seeing like one second of it and thinking, wow, this kind of has a cocoa feeling. But I wasn’t sure which one had came out first or that’s why I was a bit oblivious to the movie. But I kind of knew some stuff about it, you know, and I still got to watch it fully. But. But yeah, I can see how the similarity or the. Even the look of the film or just the appearance of the film or that the feeling of it can be similar to each other. Actually. I’m just. Actually, the Book of Life does predate Coco by a couple years.

Oh, my. Oh, my. Is Coco doing the same thing that De La Cruz did? Yeah, I mean, there’s a trend, right? There’s a trend where there’ll be a Disney movie and then a competing movie release in a very similar time frame. And sometimes it’s someone trying to tank Disney, and in this case, maybe it’s Disney trying to ride the coattails a little bit. Now, Book of Life, with a three year difference, did have plenty of time to do its thing. Budget 50, box office 100. So I don’t. Once you consider marketing, I guess you make like $5 on that.

I mean, Coco, we’re looking at a 200 million budget and then 814 million making four times. So it was by far the more successful movie. But go ahead. I definitely. I can definitely see that because they do it all the time, whether it’s the music industry or the film industry, they’re gonna definitely take ideas. They do it all the time, every single day. And I mean, this is a little bit different because there’s so many adaptations of it, but it kind of reminds me of how Del Toro makes Pinocchio and then Robertson Mekis’s Disney makes Pinocchio, like not that long after.

And then the Robert Zemeckis one was a thousand times worse than. So I could. I can see. I can see. If I’m correct, I think Del Toro released his first and the Zemeckis one, and they’re real close. But you might be right. Yeah. Yeah. And I can see them trying to watch the Del Toro one. And being like, oh, let’s see what we can do, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then. Yeah, so I, I see whether whatever industry, even the music industry, there’ll be the big wigs or the big guys that listen to the underground people who are just scraping by or they just, they have a really close knit team and then they get their idea snatched all because of the big wig.

So that does happen quite. That happens actually a lot. I love. Imagine if there’s like a conversation where Zemeckis is like, we’re gonna get Tom Hanks and hear me out. We’re gonna have him just phone it in. It’ll be the first time ever, right? Yeah. He was definitely on autopilot with the heavy, like a heavy awful accent for sure. You could have like an all Pinocchio podcast. Really? You just do every version of Pinocchio because for some reason everybody wants to do it. Robert Downey Jr. For a long time. Some kind of Pinocchio. Yeah, There’s a Roberto Benigni one which is.

That’ll burn your eyes if you watch it. There’s that weird animated one from the early 90s. Yeah. I always have to point out to Pinocchio’s Revenge, which is a really horrible, horrible. It’s so bad. It’s awful. But I love it. Yeah, I love it because it’s so bad. I can watch that one and just tear and have fun tearing it to try. I rented that one when it first came out from like the video store. So I like, I put money into it. Like I had to sit down and force myself to enjoy it, but I did.

What’s funny is one of my, my lady, one of her best friends was in the film as one of the kids and I believe in the intro, but my lady’s friend is in that film in Pinocchio’s Revenge when she was a kid. Yeah. Oh, little Blood and Honey update. Since we’re on dark versions of Disney stuff. Yeah. A little Winnie a Pooh. Blood and Honey. So my daughter’s school has like a, like a really elaborate school festival, right. Where like they turn the classrooms, like they’ll try and like turn them into theme park rides and stuff.

I mean, it’s, you know, like cardboard and balloons and stuff. But last year we did the, the Fake Poo’s Honey Hunt at my daughter’s school. This year they still had that. It was different inside because it’s a different class. But one two hallways down they had Pooh’s Dark Honey Hunt. So someone decided to do the horror version of that as their class thing. We didn’t. It was crowded and hot. We only had time for one thing. So we went to the Wreck It Ralph room because my daughter said that was the most fun one. So we.

And we’re doing that movie soon, so it made sense. But I just thought it’s funny that even the high school is like, let’s also do the dark version of prison poo along with. They have both versions of poo. You can choose your poo. That’s awesome, because if I was a kid, I’m going. I. I don’t know, I would. I would go for both. But the horror one would sound pretty fun because I was already a psycho kid watching horror films at around that age, you know, So I would. I would definitely be like, hey, what’s going on there? You know, I would have gravitated to that one.

But my wife’s scared of everything. So if it looks slightly scary, even at a high school festivals, like, I have three students that were doing like a squid game room, right? And she didn’t want to do the squid game room. I have students there. Yeah, they did, except they. Oh, my students take ika game. Like, ika game. Oh, squid game. You know, because squid in Japanese. It took me a minute to work that out. So I think we found another good sort of litmus test question that’s if, do you like light poo or dark poo better? And I think that I probably like light poo better than dark poo just because that we.

I haven’t seen the second one yet, but the first one, it was kind of like they just sold the idea more than the movie itself. And there’s another one called Screamboat. Have you heard of Screamboat? I’ve seen the trailer. I haven’t seen the movie yet. So it’s. It’s David Thornton, right? David Howard Thornton’s in there, right? I don’t actually. Don’t even know. I just found out that it was. Yeah, it is David Howard Thornton. Yeah, he’s in Amy Schumacher. Yeah. So I’m actually excited about all these new dark Disney movies coming out. And I guess there’s a new Popeye the Slayer man coming out.

I’m excited for that one. I really hope they do that one. Pretty fun. Because he’s Popeye. I want to see Popeye kicking ass and just decapitating people as Popeye, you know? But I felt the same way with your Winnie the. Winnie the Pooh. The first one. I felt the idea was way better than them. I Wanted to enjoy it as a terrible movie and have fun. But even then I thought it was. Wasn’t fun. You know, I got to see the second one as well. Still, like the suits from that one. I’ll throw that out there.

That was the only part. I was like, oh, yeah, that was the only part. The suits were better than the kills. I can tie this back to Coco because I do think that Coco is one of the darkest Disney movies, at least in terms of theme. Like, we’re actually going to get cursed. We’re going to travel into the afterworld and we’re going to terrify kids with the idea that you. You don’t just die one time, you might actually die two times. And we don’t know what happens after the second time. Final death, like, death will always be a mystery.

The reasoning for the second one is really almost disturbing too, because they’re saying, hey, if somebody forgets you for so long, you’re going to die a second time. And even that is pretty eerie to me. So I’ve always thought that was. It would always give me chills in a weird way. I’m like, that is crazy. You know, and it depends on photograph. Yeah, yeah. What? That’s. It depends on a photograph. People have to have a photograph. So, hey, come, let’s look at Japan again. 2011, if. If you’re, you know, Tsunami and quake thing, right? That wiped away entire town.

So if, going by the theology of this movie, all of those people instantly died their final deaths, you know, I. I had that exact same thought when this was playing out, because I was like, man, photographs haven’t been around that long. And they clearly state that even if you write music and everyone falls in love with your music, that wouldn’t be enough to keep you from dying your second death. So before photographs, was it based on paintings? And what if the painter got your likeness wrong? Does that mean that you’re screwed too? Or does, like, your dead version start morphing into the weird, like, the lady that, like, updated the Jesus picture, right? And like, completely changed it, like, with doing something like that, with the family portrait also caused the second monkey.

Jesus put the monkey. Christ put the name out correctly. But I mean, it’s. It really like Rose. An interesting dilemma for me where, like, do I need to just take a lot of pictures? Does that mean that someone that’s had a lot of pictures taken in, like a model or something, they’re going to outlive all of us because people are going to remember them, even if it’s not by name, but just by their photo and by coincidence. And another thing too is that for how long the afterlife has been working, I, I wouldn’t be surprised if everybody in the beginning of time has died twice because photographs are, like you said, relatively newer.

So that’s. If you get a real heaven, this could just be purgatory. I mean, they don’t say it’s heaven anyway. You say it’s the land of the dead. Right. So. Well, that, so there’s a lot of parallels here because this, because, I mean, I was raised Roman Catholic and I didn’t celebrate Day of the Dead the first time I saw it. It was kind of a little bit. It took me back a little bit. I couldn’t believe that a culture would celebrate death in this way because we like to put them in the, in the ground and put like a door over them and bury them and just not think about it.

And really they’re like a guardian angel now. But I’m not, I would never think of my guardian angel as decaying and having skeleton bones and stuff. It’s like the exact thought. Now, I guess if you go back to certain, like Roman Catholic churches, yeah, they preserve like the, the skulls and the femurs and all this stuff, but that’s usually venerated for saints and because they see their remains as these holy objects. But for just, you know, grandma and grandpa to imagine them as skeletons is a little bit creepy. Yeah, no doubt. It is very eerie. Even, even if I can, I can understand both sides.

I can understand the heritage side of it, but I can understand people get freaked out by it. You and, and definitely it’s a, it’s, it’s an eerie sight with the makeup and the skeletons and, and the death theme overall and you, and you stay the age you are. So Coco gets the pleasure of being a skeleton that is a hundred years plus old. You know, she’s still going around as a, a very elderly skeleton. I, I hope her bones don’t crack like a 100 plus year old person. But yeah, that is a strange choice. That is a strange choice because usually when we see films like kind of regarding this kind of theme, if somebody dies, they go back to heaven or they go back, they go back in the form of when they were more younger or they had more life to them.

So it is a strange choice to have everybody die and then come back at the age that they. Yeah. That they died. Yeah. Star wars went back on that decision. Right. Darth Vader becomes a, a Hayden Christensen ghost. If you Watch the later ones. I gotta say, too, there’s some really clear DNA between Toy Story 3 and Coco. And I didn’t know that they basically went directly from Toy Story 3 to this movie. Because just like Toy Story 3, Coco ups the ante a little bit. And I would, so far, I would declare it the most emotionally manipulative Disney movie of all time.

Because not just of the second death thing. Not just because music is banned and it’s taboo to listen to. Not just because Miguel is kind of a loner and doesn’t have any actual friends, but they also start playing with the concept of dementia and that your relatives, you can watch them slowly decay and die. It almost feels like there’s three deaths, right? The first death is Mama Coco losing her mind and not recognizing her family. The second death is like, you know, regular material death. And then that third death is you fading away from everyone’s memory.

And they tie this in a really interesting and deep way, but they tie the dementia of Mama Coco, the great grandma, of her forgetting her dad, and that’s going to be the cause of his second death in this afterlife. And, I mean, I can’t think of a single other Disney movie that treated actual mental illness like dementia in such a serious way. Almost all the other times it’s like, oh, yeah, I’ve got a drunk uncle, but he’s flying with the kids, blowing bubbles or something. Yeah, yeah. Like, we’re going to go, sorry, we’re going to say we’re going to do a little reverse engineering.

Because different filmmakers, I mean, still Pixar, different filmmakers. I feel like Inside out is a interesting in between. Between Toy Story 3 and this one, because I like. Well, we’ll see when I watch it again what I think. I feel like I like Inside out, like, a lot. Just like, hey, this is fun movie. But that and this are kind of the worst offenders. And Monsters, Inc. Which I agree with you, I love that movie, but it’s the Pixar bureaucracy. I mean, it’s in Toy Story too. You’ve got the structure to the toys. Monsters Inc. Has the company.

And there’s always. And now in Coco, that the fact that we’re putting it to the afterlife kind of drives me insane, I think. I like to think, you know, I’ve had lucid dreams. I like to think, you know, there’s things beyond that are way beyond just material crap, like a TSA check encounter. You know, I can understand if you think it’s like a bit. It’s dark. If it’s A bit cynical or if it’s a bit like. Almost like there’s no light at the end of the tunnel feeling, you know, it’s like a very. I don’t know the word right now, but it’s a very.

It is a. It comes off. Yeah. I can see if you. Yeah, like another movie, it has the afterlife, which I would say is also very bureaucratic, but is doing it for kind of comedic effect. Maybe that’s one thing. Coco. If Coco’s a little more sarcastic about it, but very earnest about this bureaucracy. Right. The sarcasm is basically De La Cruz and his is usurping of Hector’s songs and all of that sort of stuff. But, yeah, defending your life. It’s like he dies and he’s like. He goes to, like. Everyone’s in white robes and they’re in, like, an office park where he goes and sits and they review things from his life and, you know, decides if he’s an a hole or not.

And that movie’s snarky. So in that case, the bureaucracy is real funny. Right. In this one, though, it’s kind of like, no, no, this is just how things are, you know, that’s actually a good point, that this movie lacks the same sort of sarcasm that a lot of other Disney movies have. Usually some kind of sidekick. And in this one, the side, I guess, the sidekick kind of changes a little bit. First it becomes Hector, and then it. And then it kind of becomes the dog. And a dog doesn’t really have any dialogue. It’s one of the few Disney animals that doesn’t talk.

But it also ends up being kind of like the. The savior at the very end, which I think is appropriate when you get into the mythology that we’ll touch on in a little bit. Yeah, no doubt, I would say. And what’s funny is the. The. I think what I really liked, I really. The first time I watched this movie, maybe it was because I was a bit younger. I got to see this in the theater. I think the switch from Hector being the kind of goofy, funny sidekick into really going to more serious territory when he’s discovered that he’s a great, great grandfather.

That surprised me at first. I didn’t expect that switch. I thought Hector was just going to be that goofy character, and he turns out to be one of the more tragic characters with how. With how he died and with how De La Crew stabs him in the back and steals a song and that. I always, always thought that affected me pretty. That affected me pretty well in the film, I think. It’s disturbing. That happens. Yeah, it’s disturbing. That’s happening, you know, in the. Also in the great beyond. It’s like, shouldn’t the great beyond, like, be. You know, we’d.

Like. Hell, it could be, right? But, you know, we’d like to think that things are more like, you know, impartial and set. Good person gets good things. The bad person works harder. You know, that. That’s kind of like what I like to think of. That’s like. Notice I didn’t say punish, Right? You know, you work harder at being not terrible. There’s, like, economies in the afterlife in this one at least implied. Cameras, TV cameras, electrical supplies. Like, there’s probably commercials playing in some of that. So I like part of that. There’s also, I guess, one part that’s like, unsettling to me is how fragile they portray some of this.

And I don’t. I don’t know how the actual rules work, but I was. I was looking up some online just to see if some of my. My questions were. Had any merit to them. For example, at the beginning of this, Miguel, as he’s running through these ofrendas, and he’s trying to, like, steal this guitar. There’s a certain point, I think, where he takes food off of one of these plates. It’s being offered to someone’s dead ancestors, and he throws it to kind of keep a dog away or something. He uses it as a distraction. Yeah. And they later imply that the ofrenda is supposed to be your family.

Puts out your favorite foods and a picture, and, like, this is to honor you. And. And that if they don’t honor you properly, and this is outside the context of the movie, but if you don’t honor your. Your dead relatives properly on this day, then it can make them upset and it can cause problems for you. And I was wondering, as soon as he threw that turkey leg, like, did someone’s like, grandma is like, they’re gone now. He just. He just killed someone’s grandma. The second death, because he threw the, like, this turkey leg, and that was like, her favorite thing.

Did he damage the photo? He causes a lot of. Of different problems like this that we don’t care because it’s about Miguel and Miguel figuring out music and Miguel finding his family heritage. But he might have just ruined, like, two or three other people’s heritage on his, like, weird path here. No, it’s a great point. I didn’t even think about that like that. It’s a great point. Is that what cursed him? I Was just gonna say, that’s also the. The. The. The Disney ride, the Tower of Terror in Japan. That’s the story, because I actually went to get this guy.

That’s the Shakira on Tundu. And the story of. There’s Mickey Mouse falling through the Tower of Terror. So the story of the Tokyo Tower of Terror is that this rich industrialist from the turn of the century went and stole cultural items from many different indigenous people. So there’s paintings of him and his man servant, like, taking, like, you know, moist statues with, like, the natives chasing him, that sort of thing. So it’s like New Year’s 2 19. 1900. He puts his cigarette. Cigarette out, cigar out on that idol, and the idol curses him and makes him fall and go through space and time and dimensions on the elevator.

So I’m like, did Miguel kind of do that when he defiled this shrine? A little bit. Maybe they’re understanding, but they do explain the rules of magic in this movie, which I appreciate, because in most Disney movies, they kind of just leave it up to you to figure out what the. The physics are. And this one, they say that he was cursed because this is the day that you’re supposed to offer things to the dead. And he did the exact opposite. He stole something from the dead, and that was the reason that he gets cursed to begin with.

So be careful with shrines and idols, I guess. Yeah. Any other day, like, if he had stolen something from a mausoleum the day after, is that cool? Is it just this one day that you’re supposed to be a grave robber? We actually pretty much do have this holiday in Japan. It’s completely different, of course, but it’s the same idea. It’s a obon, which will be actually in one month. It’s. It’s early August. So at that point, you take the family shrine, you take everything out of it, you put it on a table in, like, one of the tatami rooms, close the shrine up, and they make, like, animals, like cucumber animals.

They stick pencils in to make them into dogs and stuff. And the idea is you burn a bunch of straw out, and for three days, the ghosts of your relatives are going to come back to the house for those three days while the shrine is out. So you welcome them in by burning a bunch of straw. They’re there for three days. You leave the shrine right out there. So it’s like, hey, you can hang out in the living room. You visit the grave, which theoretically is close to the house. And then after three days, you only put everything away, light some fireworks or else what? I don’t really think there’s anywhere else.

There’s probably. I mean, if you live in Tokyo, there’s. It’s very likely you’re not doing full Oban. But back when we did Summer Wars, Summer wars was Oban or it’s like right before Oban, I think. So that’s why the family was gathering the ice cubes on Grandma. Right, right, right. So grandma would have come back immediately in that movie because they were inviting the dead relatives back. Well, and I looked up too. There’s Oban in Japan. There’s almost any culture or country you can think of has something similar to A Day of the Dead, even if it doesn’t fall in the same time period.

There’s one called Petru Pashka in India. There’s one called the. The Jing Ming Festival in China. Radanista in Russia. So they’ve Guy Jatra in Nepal. These are all different versions of honoring. And I think even Catholics have like the All Saints Day, which aligns the same. The same exact days as this Day of the Dead. And they have like the same premise where you’re honoring your dead relatives and you’re making offerings and just keeping them in your mind to kind of keep them alive. But I’m now I’m also wondering, in the paranormal realm, usually someone enticing you to stay in the material realm is a bad thing because you’re getting trapped between worlds and you’re not moving on to the next thing.

So I wonder, is. Is dying the second death in Coco context, isn’t that something that you technically want to do? Because it’s inevitable. They even say in this movie that no matter what, everyone’s going to eventually die their second death. Are they archon trapped in this place? I mean, it is false heaven, I guess because it’s shiny. They made, you know, they make the. The afterlife way more colorful in this. Of course. I got the. The bridges go to what you get to hang out with your family. If you cross the bridge, you’re still not going to like another afterlife.

That. That confused me a little bit, I guess between the first and second viewing. So, yeah, the second death is very mysterious. This is just like an illusion. This is. This is. This is an archon holding pen. You know, in Coco is purgatory, do you go over the little daffodil bridge or Merit, where they’re. Marigolds is a very specific flower petal that I guess is linked to this particular celebration. And they use this as the Token inside of this kind of like weird death simulation that as long as you can get this magical token given to you and blessed by your ancestors, then it kind of turns into like a golden ticket where you can jump between the two worlds.

But that’s our Earth plane in this, whatever Coco’s world. Is that that final death, is that like they say, Nobody knows. Which is just like. It’s kind of, you know, here we’re like, no one knows what happens when you die. Well, in Coco, they know what happens when you die, but they don’t know what happens when that happens when you die again, you know, it’s not. It’s a nesting, Russian nesting doll thing. What if you want to move on? What if you want your second death? You’re like, I’ve been here for a minute. Like, I’ve got paintings of me going back thousands of years.

I’m ready to go to the next step. And no. And you’re kind of trapped there based on how many people remember you in this other material world. That almost sounds like that could be like a horror movie in terms of the dead person that’s ready to move on. Like you’re forcing them to be a ghost by remembering them. How long are jfk, Marilyn Monroe and John Lennon gonna have to hang out in this place? And the keeper, they keep thinking of JFK with like the hole in his head. So like, he’s got like the hole in his head in the afterlife and he’s like, it’s not gory, right? But a flesh wound.

I mean, get used to your skull person. You’re gonna be living that way a whole lot longer than you were on earth if you made any impact in the world. So you should be an. Right. That way you people forget about you faster and you move on. I’m probably gonna butcher this word, but they have these animal companions. What do the hell do they call them? A familiar, I guess in like Harry Potter world, they’d be your familiars. So when you go, you have. Oh, well, spirit, what they call them. Yeah. Thank you. I was not going to get that out.

Yeah, I barely got there and I. I think it’s cool because I don’t. I’ve never been raised in a way that I’m gonna get a cool flying dog after I die. This is actually something cool to look forward to. And they’re going to be neon colored. Like, I grew up in the 80s and 90s. If you told me I had a neon colored dog waiting for me in the afterlife, like I’m I’m ready to go now. And what’s cool, what’s cool is that it’s a hybrid. It’s. It has like the head, torso and paws of a jaguar, the horns of a ram, the wings and hind legs of an eagle and the tail of an iguana.

Well, that’s the, the, the family, I guess like Cocos or like the, the moms. That’s her spirit animal. And then we see at the end right before Miguel almost dies and then doesn’t his dog becomes a full fledged. Yeah, yeah. He comes the exact same thing. And I wonder, does it, does he get back into the normal world and he still has some of his Alabrihe like powers and abilities or they just wait because it’s a slow transition. He doesn’t immediately become a spirit animal once they go into the spirit realm. It only happens right before, I think sunrise, which kind of has that, that Disney Cinderella glass slipper feel to it.

And that’s when he kind of does this, this conversion. And that particular dog breed starts with an X. I’m trying to remember what it was called. I had it on my screen a second ago. I can do Zolo. I can’t. I don’t know how to say it. Okay, you sound like you’re doing better than I was. I started saying it was like, oh my God, I’m in too deep. I think that might, that might be how you say it. Let’s see how the. Hey, here’s an anachronism. Alabria, if I said it right, was the art form originally in Mexican city in the 1930s when Pedro in ours, a paper mache artist, became create.

Began creating surreal dreamlike creatures. So actually Coco wouldn’t have had this going on because that was before 1930s when she was a kid. I guess you could magic. A little bit of Disney magic can always smooth over those, those rough bumps. And I’m. I’m going to print try myself to Zolo. It’s quintile and it’s named after an Aztec God I believe of death, lightning and deformities called Zoloto. And the, the name of this dog literally translates to dog of the God or God dog. Oh wow. I feel that that’s magic in itself. That it’s, it’s like because dog is the inversion of God and God and dog.

So this is the, the dog God. And based on the actual beliefs of, of those Aztecs that you could only get to the afterlife if you had one of these dogs with you. And in many cases they would Bury the dog sometimes alive when its owner died so that when the owner had to go over this bridge, it would be accepted because it had this dog with them. And just to make it a little bit more difficult, the dog had to have never experienced abuse in its life. It was. If it was an abused dog or if it wasn’t sort of taken care of, well, then it could not fulfill its purpose in transporting you over into the afterlife.

Which I wonder, like, if you bury a dog alive, isn’t that technically abuse? Like, doesn’t that kind of kill? Yeah, especially rules. Special rules. I think a little bit of a paradox there. Yeah, you just had me in. That popped in my mind. Of course, when Mr. Burns on the Simpsons is talking about when he dies, he’ll take Smithers with him. It has the. The little mausoleum with Smithers underneath. Like, I don’t know. I have to bring this part up too, because when we see that the. The main musician. Man. What was. What was the main musician’s name? De la Cruz.

In the. The real world, he dies by getting hit by a bell, and then later on he dies the same way by getting hit by this bell. And, man, there’s also. What is it? Hito Bashura, I think is the Japanese butchered term. But this is. Is also translate to the human pillar. And this is when you bury a person under a building or under a bridge, or in Japanese and Korean culture, melt their body into the metal that goes into a bell so that it can ring and that they use these bodies that are stored in the bridges and in the foundations of buildings to act as the protector of other spirits.

So not only when you’re building out real estate, you got to protect it with cameras and, like, fences and everything from the normal people. But you also have to have, like, a supernatural security package, I guess, and that’s. That’s this version of this. They are fine if you just build a shrine at the end of the bridge now, but so they say. So they say. Who knows what goes on in the dark recesses of whatever. Okay, let’s see. Anyway, I guess I’ve pretty much got. I think we’ve mostly gone over my weird metaphysical discomfort with this film.

Oh, that was it. I was expecting something way worse than that. Oh, no, no. You just don’t like that there’s a TSA in the afterworld. It sounds like. Oh, the security screen smuggle into the afterworld. Matt, that. This is. This is upsetting you so much. Apparently. Guitars. Okay. Which I get you can’t. That is. I’M like, hey, you know, I got. I wouldn’t have to worry about having fun guitars. Like, oh, but I mean, if I’m in the coco afterlife, I guess I would have to go hustling for a guitar, you know, because all my. You can’t take it with you, right? Well, I mean, maybe you can, because in this one they kind of do imply that he gets to bring the guitar with him, though.

Oh, I assumed he has had a different one. I don’t know. I have copies of guitars here, so, you know. Yeah. Spirit guitar. There was also another cool little learning thing in this movie that I was starting to break down. But he’s telling. I think it’s Hector is telling Miguel about a grito, which is sort of this. This yell that has some extra story behind it. The closest one I think of is that there is an Apache yell. There’s also a. A Mormon version called, I think like the. The Hosana cry. And then there’s also in the Civil War, this.

The Confederates had something called the Confederate yell, I think. And that all three of these are supposed to not just invoke fear in whoever you’re. You’re facing off against, but it’s supposed to just like give you a straight up adrenaline rush so that everyone on the front line, they get this weird boost and it lets them go forward. And in this movie, they’re teaching Miguel how to do this glito yell. And I was looking into the history of this too, and. And even though this predates, I mean, everyone. People been yelling since forever, right? Since before language probably existed.

But there was specifically in 1810, this was yelled out by a guy named Miguel Hidalgo, and it was called the Cry of Dolores. And this was part of the. The Independence war. So I just thought it was a cool connection that he’s teaching Miguel. And the most famous grito by someone named Miguel was actually dated to this September 1810 war. Wow, that’s good. Of course, they mastered that earlier with the Aztec death whistle, didn’t they? I mean, a bunch of rednecks screaming on a hill. I’m sorry, I’m from Georgia, so I’m thinking of the a bunch of rednecks screaming on a hill versus a bunch of people with Aztec death whistles.

Have you heard those things? Yeah, I feel like we need one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Instead of having like an air horn, you got your death whistle. It sounds like insane screaming. It’s great. So that. That’ll. That should terrify anyone more than just a bunch of people doing their Their. Their. This other screaming. There’s. There’s another American source of this too, from, like, the. The rebel yell. Because the rebel yell, they kind of borrowed it from Mexico, slash the Aztecs, the Apaches, but also, I guess, Billy Idol. Well, the sky. Yeah, the. And technically Billy Idol song Rebel, yeah, was based on a whiskey, but the whiskey itself was based on the real rebel yell.

So in a way, like, he was singing about the rebel yell. But the. The revel also came from the Scots and the Irish, and they brought this, a similar yell into their culture, into, like, the Appalachians. So I just. Freedom. I love. I just love the idea of this. This yell that has all sorts of properties. Like it can actually change your mentality and your physicality by just shouting it out the right time. Well, I think you said you not Doom, but Dune, the book thing, because they have the voice where, you know, this, this. These caught ladies are able to modulate their voice to make you do certain things.

So of course, in the movies they put weird filters and crap on it, but the idea is just they know how to change their voice to convince people to do things, which is a kind of like a quieter version of that. All right, I’m ready for my. I guess my darkest note on this entire movie. Oh, yeah. Towards the end, Miguel, he thinks his great grandpa throws him off this cliff into sort of like a little cave that has, like, some water in it. And, man, wouldn’t you know that I. Last year I was just doing a whole bunch of research into sites that had been recently discovered in Mexico and in Central America.

And there’s a place called the Cave of Screams or the Cave of Terror that is in Central America, where it. Basically, children from all over Mexico and Central and South America were all brought to this one point and thrown off of this cliff into this cave because they found hundreds of bones. And we’re talking like, infants up to, like, ages 5 and 7. And that this was part of, like, a. A transnational, like, sacrificial ritual that they would do every single year. They also found blue paint on some of the bones, which indicated not just Aztec influence, but Mayan influence, because the Mayans would use the special blue pigment in order to denote something as being like a sacrifice to the gods.

So as soon as he throws Miguel off this cliff, literally into a spot that looks just like this, this cave of terror, it was the only thing that I could think of. I don’t know if that was on their mind, but I think it was. Disney does this. One year later, In Avengers, Infinity War, where the same thing happens. I don’t know if the visuals are quite as, you know, side by side, but I’m like, oh, again, we have, you know, father throwing daughter off of a cliff for sacrificial reasons. It happens. I mean, you know, what happened in 2017 and 2018 in Disney movies.

So that’s kind of fascinating. Another thing that I remember is when De La Cruz, near the end, if I remember, he throws Miguel off of the. Off of the. Near the concert. He throws. He throws him off the ledge and damn one and tries to kill him. Right? And that’s when his dog swoops in and saves him at like the very last second. Or maybe it’s the. The great grandma’s spirit animal that ends up saving him. I think the. The. The main three Disney films that I could think of where the villain genuinely tries to murder the protagonist, I would say is up.

Right. I’m for. I was just. I just had him on my head too. Toy Story 3 and. Because he tries to incinerate them at the end and then technically negligence. But yeah, we’ll call that murder. Why not? And then, yeah, Coco, I’m trying to. I know there’s other Disney films that happen, but just from my experience growing up, those were the three main ones I could think of where I’m like, wow, they genuinely try to kill him at the end. Fox and the Hound’s a real obvious one. They’re just trying to. I knew I was forgetting some, but yeah, yeah.

And then Snow White because the stepmother tries to poison her. The Wicked Witch tries to poison her. That’s true. Well, I think you could do it in lots of ways, but maybe what you’re getting at is the non transformed murder and up. It’s just the guy we’ve been seeing the whole movie tries to murder. And Aladdin. Jafar has to become a big crazy beast when he tries to kill Aladdin. And Snow White, she’s got to become the old crone to try to kill Snow White. So they have to transform into something else to kill someone where.

I guess you could. Well, in Coco, though, De La Cruz, he is transformed, but not in terms of this narrative. Right. The De La Cruz we meet, speaking and interacting is already the bone one. So he’s technically not. Yeah, it was like the. I just. From like. And. And I’m sure, like I said, I’m sure there’s other definitely Disney film examples where that happens. But just. I just remember watching these and thinking, wow, it felt like even if they’re animated films. It felt really human. I was like, wow. I felt like just straight up, like, I’m going to kill you.

Like, just straight. But. And that always. I got that feeling from the end of this film when I first saw it in the theaters. I’m like, wow, Derek, who’s just straight up, wants to kill the kid. You know, that is interesting. It seems more hardcore when you don’t change the character. Right. So when you change, it’s like, well, here’s something else trying to kill it. Even though it’s technically the same thing, but it does feel more visceral when it’s like, I’ve been watching this guy for the past 40, 50 minutes, and now he’s. Now he’s trying to commit murder.

You know, Lotso still just a fuzzy bear when he does that. Yeah. When I first saw, like. And then I didn’t think, like, before the Hector revealed that he. Event that he. I remember, he kills Hector, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Poisons him. Poisons him. Right, right, right. So Hector just doesn’t figure it out until, like, he’s been in the afterlife for a century, thinking he just suddenly died. Yeah. And from the reveal before that reveal, I remember thinking, oh, De La Cruz. There’s something shady about him. He’s just going to be a shady character. But after that reveal, to me, he upgraded a monster level.

I was like, wow, this dude’s a monster. This dude’s like. Like a piece of crap, you know? Well, plus, the most evil thing about De La Cruz, I think, is that he transitions into the afterlife and still doesn’t transition from his personality. He’s still the horrible person that he was in life, and he continues that over. Whereas, you see, pretty much everyone else in this afterlife has maybe changed for the better of it. They all seem somewhat altruistic. None of them seem like they’re trying to screw anyone else over. Although maybe the security guards of the concert, maybe they got like some dirt.

They kind of probably came from Vegas or something. But I think that that. That adds that, like, a villain quality to De La Cruz, that he went through all this. And when he first throws Miguel, I believe he’s still under the impression that Miguel is his great, great grandson. And Miguel thinks that too. And he’s like, how could you do this to me? And he says, well, I killed my best friend. So it was his way of saying that he would do anything in order to make in the music business. And I felt like. Like this might be a deep cut, man.

This. This reminded Me of the Prince Paul album, Prince Among Thieves, where his best friend ends up sacrificing him in order to get, like, this Wu Tang dealer or something. So that’s all I was thinking, because again, it’s. It’s a musical sort of presentation about betrayal and stealing you over music. Yeah, yeah. It’s also when. When does your reputation sour and sorry for a spoil. I. I might spoil here. Have you guys watched 28 years later yet? The. The News? Okay. You know the ending, right, where. Because 2001 is the point where society falls apart in Britain, we can.

We still venerate certain people who we might not actually venerate in 2025. Right. For the end, you see, like, the queen on the wall in one of the scenes. I’m talking about the last scene where the. The. The Saville crowd shows. Yeah. With Jimmy Savile. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they’re like, where are the jimmies? Or whatever. You know, it’s like, oh, I knew what. Because I did. I didn’t love the ending. I hated the ending. Just how in your face they appeared and they’re jumping and doing parkour off of the wall. I didn’t. I didn’t dig that.

But I didn’t know until later, until after my viewing, that he had the Jimmy Savile look. And I was aware of Jimmy Saville, but I didn’t connect the two. And then after I’m going on X and Twitter and everybody’s tearing him to Danny Boyle to pieces. Yo. Why would you put a Jimmy Savo figure in the film? I’m like, we’re in there replaying it in my head. And then the look, the hair, the blonde hair, just the appearance of them. I. I thought it was a very weird choice after. Very weird choices. Yes. You kind of appreciate it.

But just an interesting thing, like, oh, because their history ended in 2001, this guy’s still. Okay. So I. I don’t know. I don’t really know where I’m implying that today. La Cruz, but it’s just. It popped my head. So. Because this. Before that, you’d go. You again. Miguel. Miguel is modeling himself after De La Cruz. You know, that’s who he wants to be until he doesn’t. Yeah. I do like to imagine a British version of Coco with the Fab Five or Fab Four, and Jimmy Seville is De La Cruz. Somehow I feel like that. That movie work.

That’d be. That’d be a messed up one. If anyone’s got, like, a whole bunch of extra time in VO3 credits. Just make that an AI for us, please. I still need to watch Better Man. That’s the Robbie Williams stories. But, yeah, he’s a champ. Yeah, I haven’t seen that. Yeah. Oh, sorry. I, I, I. Yeah, Playing the apes rules. You don’t call gems monkeys. Monkey is just that, you know, I’m, I’m all, you know. Yeah. I just did a podcast on Planet Ape, so it was a recurring joke. The. Yeah, I heard a couple of my buddies who saw that adored it.

They really loved it. And I’m not the biggest Robbie Williams fan, so I was kind of staying away from that one. But even some of my friends were like, no, check it out. It’s a good one. I’m like, really? The biopic about the monkey, that. It’s his. It’s his life, but it’s presented to a monkey. I wasn’t sure, but I’m hearing, I’m hearing good things about it. That’s right. If you make weird choices like that and now people are saying it’s good, I’m like, that’s something. Is that something special? Again, I haven’t seen it yet either.

So on. On my to do list, it’s got to be better than that. See a movie and we’re also, we’re also in the land of reboots, remakes, sequels, recalls, and then prequels. We’re also in the land of that. So when a movie that’s like not a remake or something comes out, even if it’s great or bad, people, I guess people recept it more. Be easier because there’s not, you know, there’s not too many original films as compared to the other ones or compared to the constant rehash of remakes. I almost like, what would we call. It’s not a recall or a sequel, but the whole premise of Coco coming out after.

Sorry, what was the other name of the movie that was like the Book of Life. Book of Life. And the same thing with Ants. Ants and bugs. Life. And then, I guess, you know, the examples of Snakes on a Train and Snakes on a Plane kind of come out. Like, it kind of feels that those are related in the same way that like a recall or like a remake would be like a reboot. Well, Trains was. Snakes on a Train was the Mock Buster. In that case, it was. That’s when you just directly copy. But yeah, like, you’re mentioned an.

The Bug’s Life, the, you know, and that’s the weird thing. I, I guess Book and Life of Coco. It is kind of funny. Though that it’s just kind of like, let’s kind of steal this movie’s vibe a little bit three years later and make a movie where a guy’s stealing somebody’s art. That’s very ironic if, if they drum up a new audience and now all of a sudden people are really vibing with like for someone that was unfamiliar with the cultural aspects of Day of the Dead and, and the ofrendas and the spear animals, once that gets brought into the zeitgeist, I could see Disney and other corporations just thinking like, oh yeah, we can, we can milk that a little bit too now.

Like, now that it’s like nice and fresh and everything, might as well hit it now because if we try and come back in five or 10 years, then it’s just going to remind people of the thing that they remember that was slightly better than that. But if it’s within like a, like a few years, then they can kind of capitalize on, you know, like a fresh wound almost. Okay, I guess they were kind of planning on this. I’m now reading a paragraph off wiki, by the way, but. In 2013, Disney requested to trademark the phrase Dia de las Muertos for merchandising applications.

This was met with criticism from the Mexican American community in the United States. Lelo Alcaraz, a Mexican American cartoonist, drew a film poster titled Muerto Mouse depicting a skeletal Godzilla sized Mickey Mouse of the byline is coming to trademark your cultura. More than 21000 people signed a petition on change.org stating that the trademark was a cultural appropriation and exploitation at its worst. A week later, Disney canceled the attempt with the official statement saying that the trademark filing was intended to protect any title for our film and related activities. It has since been determined that the title of the film will change and therefore we are withdrawing our trademark filing.

So yeah, they stepped in on that, didn’t they? And they deserve to have people screaming for that. This is what Disney does though, man. Disney, they will, they own things that you shouldn’t be able to own. For example, almost every one of their major theatrical releases, at least before Pixar and the 3D ones, was about trademarking stories that had been in the public domain for sometimes hundreds or even thousands of years. And now we got Disney, for example, trademarking the word Frozen like that. What a, what a common word. But there’s that nefarious aspect too, that they’re trying to create Frozen so that you can’t google Walt Disney Frozen and get anything about his Frozen head or his frozen body and that, like.

And it was like intentionally done. So them trying to trademark Dio de los Muertos also feels like it tracks directly with all kinds of things that Disney’s trying to do. They gotta change the name. So it was the ice cream. Ice cream, I guess I’m hungry. The ice queen. Right? That was the story. Now it’s frozen. Now we all know it’s frozen. We know she’s Elsa. We know she’s got a sister Anna. You know, it was. It was the Frog Prince. Now it’s Princess and the frog. Isn’t it like. I mean, it’s. It’s a change of name, but now it’s Disney’s name.

That’s a trip. Do I bring this up too? Like Pinocchio, which we mentioned earlier has been done by so many people. This is one that wasn’t even Grim’s fairy tales. This was like a. Like a political Italian story that originally was about some. Some real topics. But if you were to say Pinocchio in the presence of pretty much anyone alive that knows what that is, they’re going to think of the Disney proprietary trademarked image of Pinocchio. And that’s. That’s kind of been their plan all along, is to own words and own characteristics and archetypes in a way that no one’s ever tried to before.

And they’ve been getting away with it for over a century now. I guess Aladdin’s where they really start figuring it out. Before that, it’s always like, pretty much like the name of the story is the name of the movie. Right? Aladdin’s a thousand part. Part a story. Kind of a story from A Thousand One Nights or whatever. Right? Not. Not quite, but. So not to mention that Aladdin was Chinese. And now we just. We see like an. Like a. Like a Saudi Arabian sort of Aladdin versus the original Chinese version, the Lion Kings. When you think about it.

I mean, now it’s Disney, of course, but it’s a generic title when you just, you know, take it out of context. Then Pocahontas, Tarzan, Hercules are not changing the names much when they start doing their boys adventure thing. Treasure Planet. Okay, we’re starting to change a little bit. That’s distinctly Disney. So Atlantis. I know that’s near here or there, but yeah. Yes. Since in the past 15 years, like any old property they use, they definitely rebrand, brand it so they can just own that Hercules. By the way, the other Disney movie about going into the afterlife, I believe I can’t think of many other ones.

Yeah, that’s. That one slipped off my head too. But you’re right, Hercules because of Hades and. And all that. Yep. Yeah, that’s. That’s physically underground in that case. Right. Coco does seem to be in some metaphysical realm, some other dimension, I guess. Hence the bridges. Yeah. What was that? That Disney Exorcist movie? The live action one. Man. The Watcher in the Woods. The Watcher in the woods also, I mean, although we don’t get to see a main character experiencing the afterlife, there clearly is this other dimension where they’re like, dead for a short period of time and then they come back.

The Watcher in the Woods. I’ve never seen that one. It’s probably don’t have to. We watch the deleted scene. Is the deleted scene first, which is better than anything that made the actual movie. But it was. Wow. I think that was Disney’s Exorcist, right? Exorcist got real and they were like, we need something like that. But for kids. Well, it took them eight years or something like that. But sure, sometimes Disney does drag. I mean, you go in and to the parks and you’re still hearing the hits of 2007, you know. So another note on Coco here is.

I just thought this was also interesting that they’re not allowed to play. Miguel’s not allowed to play music. Music is completely banned. And instead the family takes up being cobblers or making shoes for people. And one of the. The last movies that we were looking into, I was looking at some of the backstory, and I think one of the. One of the legends that it was based on was this legend called the Curse of the Three Heads. And the Curse of the Three Heads. Long story short, someone offends these three oracular heads that are in a well, and they.

They basically say, your curse now your husband is going to be a cobbler. So one of the worst medieval curses is that you’re just going to make shoes for the rest of your life. Life. So it almost seems that Miguel’s family, like the entire line, they’ve been cursed since day one because the mom decides she’s gonna end up making shoes. And I guess making shoes is the worst possible profession in. In some of these beliefs. And the question that I had in my mind was, and I think the three. I already know the three of us would answer, but if you could only choose either shoes or music.

Like, you’re never allowed to wear shoes for the rest of your life, or you’re never allowed to hear Music. Like, I guess everyone’s going with music and screw the shoes, right? Yeah. And I can’t vote out sandals. Or sandals still allowed. I think every. Like no sandals. No, I was gonna ask that, Matt. I was gonna ask. I guess you tough. After a few weeks, you can toughen up the bottoms of your feet. We used to do that back in the day. Right. The 10,000. Or maybe we all walked on clouds in Atlantis. Yeah. We could go old school and like, you know, we could figure out something to wear issues, I think.

But if we had no music in the world at all, I think a lot of people would go crazy. Meet myself included. I wonder if that’s even practical. Like, how do you impose them? I guess with Miguel, he’s not allowed to play music and he’s not allowed to pursue a career in music. But you can’t just straight block music from someone. I mean, if I hear a leaky faucet at a certain point, my head turns it into like BPM M’s and melodies and like that leaky faucet becomes a beat somewhere after I’ve heard it long enough.

Even, Even just like annoying noise like a car alarm that like won’t shut up after an hour of going off in the night. Like, it turns into music a little bit. Otherwise it drives you crazy. Right. But you can prevent someone from wearing shoes. Right, Right. I feel, yeah. Music is almost like, I would call it like the healthiest drug. You know, it’s something that’s very addicting. It’s something that won’t leave the veins, it won’t leave the system. And even if you quit it, you know, or it’s maybe a little bit harder because even if you quit it, it’s still in your blood somehow.

If you’re a musical artist or if you enjoy music as a listener, it’s. It’s, it’s automatic. It’s. It’s like we have no choice but to seek out and find some sort of music that we can enjoy or create. You know, it’s. It’s. As a creative, as somebody who creates music, I. I can never see myself pick, you know, putting down the pen and just giving up. Even if it was a hobby or a side thing, like if I just cold turkey did. I can’t see that, you know. No, I’ve always been, you know, again, might be because I’m creative minded, but you know, just when someone says, like, oh, I stopped playing guitars, like, how, how it doesn’t compute to me.

Yeah, yeah. And I can, I can understand when people. When things get a bit tough for. When they’re like, it’s just not me. But even so, if. If you’re not pursuing it as a career, you can’t put it down completely because it’s in your blood. It’s. It’s. It’s. It’s you. It’s like you operate. You program yourself to. To. To. To create with that. And. And that said, as I’m getting older and I’ve been playing music too long, I’m like, I think I don’t play the drums anymore. My hands are not going to be able to handle that anymore.

So. True, true. But, yeah, yeah, so there’s. I guess there’s physical things, but yeah, yeah, it’s almost. It reminds me of some of the boxers who go through really, you know, like, tough illnesses or even, like, you know, like, let’s say, like Ali with the Parkinson’s. It was breaking down his body near the end, but he still. There were still little tiny examples of, like, memory reflexes or, you know, like, there’s. It’s just. It doesn’t. It doesn’t leave. Even if it breaks you down, you know, mentally, you know, it’s. There’s that little spark in there that’s like.

It’s like a. Like a seed. You just keep water in it, you know? Well, and plus, I mean, even through dementia, because. And in this movie, they show that Mama Coco, once Miguel starts playing Remember Me, right? She remembers, this is that song that my dad used to play. And then it brings back all these memories, and that’s what ends up saving Hector in the very end. And this is very true. One of the only treatments known that doesn’t involve all kinds of crazy pharmaceuticals for dementia patients is that if you play music that they liked when they were younger, it will snap them.

Like, it’ll snap their mind into a cognitive state again for, you know, fleeting moments. And it’s wild that the music alone has that ability. And in this movie, it adds this extra A, maybe like a dark layer of depth, but that the fact that they banned music was actually keeping Hector, you know, from. From ever visiting back. They were killing him. They were enforcing the second death, but it’s also keeping Mama Coco in this dementia state. If. If he had been allowed to play music the entire time, then she would be reconnecting with the world, and she might actually be recognizing her own relatives.

So the fact that this, like, ultimate curse had been put all the way down, I think it also shows how long a Latina can hold a Grudge. I think that that was like another one of the absolute of this movie. She wanted nothing to do with them. She was like, scumbag, you left the family. She wanted nothing. Like even he was trying to make it work and she was still like, nope, not even the great, great grandson gets any, any sympathy out of this. Like, that’s how bad the grudge goes, right? Great. This is kind of interesting.

It says an earlier version of the script, his family would have been cursed with singing when trying to speak. I don’t know if that would have been better or worse. Star Trek kind of did that in recent episodes. So they, they said, you know, of course it’s science. So it’s like the nebula is making them sing or something. But yeah, the family, they hate music, but they have to sing. Now that, that could have been fun maybe, or annoying. I’m not sure it’s one of those two little Bose maybe. I don’t know. I’m not a big fan of musicals and a forced musical doesn’t sound like you’re forcing me to listen to it.

And then you’re also seem like you’re being forced to sing it. Neither one of us want to participate in this. Okay. Don’t watch a Star Trek episode. They’re like having a conversation while walking down the hall. And it’s like, then we start doing this, oh, it seems we’re going to sing. Now we’re stuck singing. I mean, it’s funny, but yeah, that sounds like exactly what you don’t want. Want. I like that one. But yeah, it’s not what you want. Maybe, I guess my other main note on here and another maybe slightly morbid, but that dementia is really the curse that this family goes through.

Right? Because that’s a strong genetic pass down. So the chance of you having dementia in your family skyrockets based on whether or not your, I think grandparents or great, great grandparents have it. So in addition to Miguel having a curse from being a grave robber and disturbing the dead on day on the Los Muertos, they actually have a legitimate curse. And that curse is the exact one that ends up almost killing Hector. But you could imagine that within that family line they’re going to continuously go through this exact same issue. And music is maybe the only saving grace is the only thing that’s going to prevent them from dying an early second death because of that dementia.

Yeah, this family sucks. Yeah, I can, I don’t. Man, I never thought of it that way, but I can definitely see it being the main barrier or the Main forefront of how things start crumbling in that family. You know, I mean, crumbling your family is curb stomping your grandson’s guitar for no particular reason. I mean, that’s not, that’s not, not any. Even with a grudge, that’s insane behavior. So. Yeah, that was rough, man. Like, like the grandma comes across as the villain to me at the very beginning of this movie. She’s the most evil thing that you see until you realize at the very end the De La Cruz poisoned his best friend, is willing to kill his alleged great, great grandson.

Before that she is the, the enemy of this entire movie. Yeah, of course. I mean he’s the main. She’s pretty much the main reason why he runs away from the family. Now the director stated and, and we’ve been through lots of these movies and like we’ve had things where the director’s like this movie was highly, you know, influenced by Looney Tunes. Like what? It doesn’t make sense. So in this one he was saying we’ve done Ghibli’s now. And the director is specifically saying like, oh, Howl’s Moon Castle, Spirited Away were like influences on this film. Which I was.

So I’m trying to figure out what he’s saying. I guess there’s lots of crazy lights in the afterlife, like you know, Spirited Away or whatever. But I was like, oh, is Coco kind of the grandma figure that we found in all those animes, you know. Well, but also Spirited Away, if I’m correct, the main character has like her own kind of like Alabiha or like kind of character or creature that she’s with. Right, right. There’s always this grandma character in the Japanese ones. I was kind of wondering if that’s kind of the influence that they’re talking about here or if you saw something else because they distinctly were like, oh, we were thinking of how’s moving Castle and Spirited Away.

So, so you might have hit the nail on one of those heads there. But that was the main thing that I can think of. Just the, the, the, the creature or the, the flying creature that she’s with pretty much, pretty much almost the whole movie from what I remember. And that I can see that the Alabriha or the, that being. Yeah. Mangy dogs turning into magical creatures. That’s, that’s a little bit like the dude and Spirited Away that turns into a beat up dragon and then a majestic dragon. And you know, I was wondering too, how do you get a badass Alaba in the afterlife? Because the, the kid, I understand Miguel he’s got, like, his dog that turns into, like, a magical dog a little bit, but it’s still kind of a derpy dog.

Meanwhile, great grandma has this badass chimera that has, like, a panther body and, like, huge wings, and it’s, you know, 20 times the size of anyone else. How do I get that in the afterlife? You got to upgrade. You got to, like, train your Pokemon and, like, beat other spirit animals, and, like, they get bigger and bigger. Do you trade them in, like, because it seems unlikely that you just die and you immediately just randomly get assigned the most badass spirit animal. You made me think a little bit of the Twilight Zone episode. I think it’s the Hunt, where the hunter and his dog, like, fall in the water and die or whatever.

So he’s. He’s walking along, and he comes to one thing, and they’re like, okay, this is the entrance to heaven, but your dog can’t come in. It’s people heaven. And he refused to go. So of course, that was the test. That’s the entrance to hell. The. The. The actual entrance to heaven, of course, will allow him to bring his dog. He didn’t know the secret. Man. You just got to say that it’s your emotional support dog. And they let him right in. That’s like, they have to. He still would have been in hell if they. If they.

Listen to me, still be in hell. It worked out for him. This is the Twilight Zone where it worked out for him. Except for the dying at the beginning part. What do you guys think about the new Twilight Zone that they’re working on right now? Is there a newer, new one? Yeah, Ben Stiller is gonna direct some of the episodes from my understanding. Okay, you’re enlightening a Twilight Zone podcaster to that, so. Because, yeah, we just did the original. We’re doing a few Rodsworthy movies. We’re gonna do the Peel one next. We’re doing a weird spiral through time.

So next is Peel, and then it’s gonna be back to Night Gallery and then to the Forest Whitaker one. And then in the center is the 80s one. So I remember. I remember hating the peel one. I only saw a couple episodes, and I kind of clocked out. I was like, nah, it’s not working for me. There’s only 20. So I think it was like the remake of the. The Air. The Nightmare at the 30, 000 with Adam Scott. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I like Adam Scott, but I didn’t like the episode. I was like, ah, just not, you know, it was like, A cheat.

I thought it was a cheap attempt at a remake of a classic episode, you know. And the movie segment, that’s good, that’s. That’s not a good one to choose to remake really the movies. I’m for any new Twilight or a Zone. Any new Twilight Zone. You’re down for a new Twilight. You know, I recently realized that Twilight was written by a Mormon and that Mormons and vampires both have this weird obsession with forever looking young and having like this clean cut kind of like appearance. So like now I like Twilight I think because now it’s about Mormon vampires.

I never saw Twilight until like two years ago or something like pretty recently. And I saw it on the TV downstairs is right when they got the new TV. So. But they don’t have the 4K player. So when you put, when you play media on there because it has that weird soap opera look. Right. So that’s the glimmer. I think that’s what they call that. Okay, so I got the Twilight. I watched Twilight with a glimmer. Which you’ve been probably. Yes, I was probably bad. You’re Mormon now. That’s how that works. I’m Mormon now. Japanese Mormon.

And they like to mix religions in Japan. You could probably do that. Got some more hot takes on Coco before we wrap it up. I think you were the source of the hot takes on this one. Yeah, well, I mean my hot take is it’s a good movie but it doesn’t sit well with me. It’s like, you know, Thursdays I have to work in Nagano City which is the one day a week I work at the, the main school. That doesn’t make sense everyone. But there’s a pizza place nearby. It’s a New York style pizza stuff.

It’s authentic. And I go there before work a lot and I know this is going to give me mild indigestion. You know, that’s just going to happen. It’s like authentic New York pizza is going to give you a little indigestion, which in Japan most food doesn’t. So I mean I did it yesterday, you know, I go to work 30 minutes later. Like it wasn’t bad but I’m like, okay, yep, yep, yep. There’s the pizza effect. It’s coming through. I can go many other places, pizzas that will not give me indigestion, but they’re not greasy New York style, you know? Yeah.

You’re talking about is senses that go beyond just your palate. Right. It goes beyond taste. Like you actually, actually feel it in your body maybe in painful ways, but it’s part of it. And what I’m feeling. Coco’s giving me like, you know, psychic indigestion a little bit. So. No, that’s a great comparison though, honestly. There are a couple films that are very, you know, well loved. People adore and worship. And me, honestly, I can recognize it as a good film, but it just doesn’t work for me or just, or it doesn’t even, it doesn’t sit well with me, you know, just how it’s made or how it’s created.

Honestly, I’m not the, this is a hot take, but I’m not the biggest fan of Titanic and that’s because. And people call me crazy. I can see if this is messed up. I enjoy Titanic when the ship is going down. I enjoy it when that, when it’s actually popping off. But I have to sit through a one and one hour and a half love story before I get to that other one hour and a half. So three hour movie, that’s the problem, right? Yeah, yeah. So I feel like if they scaled that love story back to a good 30 or 40 minutes instead of an hour and a half, I felt like I might have enjoyed it more.

But it just didn’t gel well with me and, and people around me. I can see why people adore it and love it. It’s a well made film. But there’s, there’s decisions in it where I’m like, nah, I’m not sitting with that. So I, I can feel it. I can understand that. I just want to see a new mission possible, which I enjoyed. But I was like, it’s three hours long and they easily could have just cut the first hour out and made it a two hour movie and it would have been fine. Like, honestly, if I watch it next time maybe I’ll just start at an hour and you know.

Yeah, and I think range that way. But it’s all, it’s also an art too to pacing. I think pacing is an art of itself and to keep the viewer interested. If we’re watching a three hour movie, it has to feel like two hours. It has to feel fast. You know that pacing has to go lightning speed or, or at least give us some really cool stuff, some great acting or just something we could bite, you know. But if it’s just there’s a couple three hour films I see where they just dragging and dragging and I’m like, I can’t do it.

I’m trying. But as we get a little bit older It’s. I can’t do. I can’t do it as much anymore. Yeah, I used to look at a three hour movie and like, man, look at all that value. I’m getting out of like this four dollar rental. Bollywood looks at it, movie ticket, and now it’s like, man, can this be over in like 40 minutes? You’re kind of checking your watch, you’re like, oh, I gotta put. I gotta just. Because you guys mentioned Titanic and Mission Impossible. I gotta just inject a conspiracy here. So a Titanic movie.

My biggest complaint is that they don’t focus on JP Morgan’s insurance scandal and smelting gold to fund the Federal Reserve and all since I saw the movie. So, so, so I hope, I hope eventually there’s like a sequel where they just focus on the JP Morgan conspiracy of it and Mission Impossible. This is gonna be wild, man. If you go back and watch the very first Mission Impossible movie, the, the time stamp, bear with me a little bit. The very beginning of the movie, they’re showing a recording of Inside this party and it’s basically some kind of blackmail that’s going down.

The time stamp is the exact date in which Scientology lost an important court case about keeping their information out of the public domain. Someone had like leaked their information online and they, they were trying to sue them and suppress all this list. And I personally think that the entire Mission Impossible series starring Tom Cruise, by the way, is about Operation Snow White to bring it to a Colt Disney in where this is the, the first, the largest domestic espionage in which someone infiltrated the US Government is when the Scientology infiltrated the US files. And I think they stole a whole bunch of files from the CIA.

And my belief is that the Mission Impossible series is Tom Cruise and Scientology showing like, here’s the information that we stole from the CIA. We’re going to let you know all these secret programs and all their different tactics and the, the different inventions and like the connection that they use. This was their way of doing like a soft reveal and it was a tit for tat because again, that time code shows when the government said that Scientology was not going to be protected. So they’re like, well, screw you. Here’s what we got on you. So there you go.

Fun fact. Talked about more about Scientology in the CIA today using an established property, right? Because it was a TV show and I love the TV show, but the TV show and the movies, very different vibes. So it’s like, let’s just use this as a, you know, as our, as our Cover. I mean, like literal cover and, you know, window dressing, which I kind of like that though, because. Yeah. Fascinating ideas. Right. And I mean, I feel like this is what, you know, not only would I feel like tons of films do this, as much as I love film, they’re gonna put messages, they’re gonna put symbolism, they’re gonna put this.

They’re gonna put it right in our faces. But a lot of us are going to take it as entertainment value, so we’re not going to think twice about it. And. And I admit I’m part of that crowd sometimes. Or I’m like, hey, I’m just sitting and enjoying the film. But when you really think about. And you go deeper, there’s a ton of stuff that they’re putting in there that’s pretty right on either right on the nose or, you know, they’re secrets. They’re secrets that are. That are put out in. To film. Well, if this is your profession, this is what you’ve been doing your entire life, and you’re at the pentacle of making, say, like a Disney movie.

That’s your canvas. You know, you might not be a painter with like an actual canvas in front of you, but if your canvas is writing in some esoteric story lines and bringing up mythology that no one else would, like the child sacrifice angles and the caer. If you knew that, that’s. This is your only creative outlet in order to express this weird thing that you kind of know. So I. I do feel that it. Sometimes people are like, oh, you’re just reading too, too much into it. One of the, the better examples, I like to bring up the old school Disney 2D animations where someone was literally sitting down and drawing and looking at the same thing thousands and thousands of times for like a month straight.

That ends up being a minute or two on film. You can’t tell me that they’re not knowing exactly what’s happening and how important all these little motions are and sneaking in little poses and little, like, facial expressions. That’s not just accidental. Like, you are spending hours and hours of your life into. Into doing that and put synchronisticism on top of that. Right. So there’s also things that are subconscious but still real, you know? Well, it also, it kind of reminds me of. It might be a little off topic, but it kind of reminds me of how, if I’m correct, James Bond, it was originally written by a CIA agent or there’s involvement from the CIA in the actual script.

Well, dude, even. Even better than that. Yeah. Ian Fleming. Right. But, but 007 was also the code name for John D. Who was the core magician. I can’t remember which queen it was, but he was, he was the one that invented Enochian magic with Edward Kelly. So and his, his, his signature, it looked like 007 and it looked like two, like two glasses and kind of like hiding your eyes. That was what the, the symbol originally stood for. And that’s why Ian Fleming, because Ian Fleming was, was big into occultism. Just like any good CIA agent or intelligence agent.

British intelligence, by the way. British intelligence, yeah. I mean, I’m sure he’s tied up with CIA too, but I mean that’s, that’s thinking that James Bond, right? They always, you know, what’s the guy, he’s got his counterpart, he’s more in the books, but he’s in the movies too. It just, it just reminds me of how they, you know, how they put a lot of the stuff that we see. And I never could confirm certain stuff watching Disney films, but I always had a hunch that they were trying to put something in between the lines. Ever since I was a kid, I would watch a Pixar film and be like, that was weird.

And then I would grow up and think, hey, as much as I love Monsters Inc. They are trying to steal all the energy source from the kids, you know, at the end. Welcome to the Occult Disney podcast. Yeah, actually we didn’t even bring up the Disney proxy in this movie. So let me just introduce you to a little theory that we’ve been working on for the last two years. But the Disney proxy basically states that you put your kid, let’s say, you know, your five year old kid down in front of a TV and you put on a Disney movie and then you leave the room to go do taxes or clean or whatever it is.

So now this kid that doesn’t have a lot of outside experience with the world gets completely engrossed in this film. And let’s say that film is, is Bambi or something. So as the kid is watching Bambi and Bambi’s mom dies, that kid is going through the same feelings and emotions as if someone just killed their mom. And they look around and their parents not there because the parents in the other room. So now all of a sudden your, your kid is absolutely filled with despair. It’s like, not only did my mom abandon me in this regular life to go in the other room, but now mom is dead.

She’s gone and has abandoned me forever. As far as they’re aware of. And then the very next thing that you’re going to see on the screen is going to be a helpful little sidekick that’s like, don’t worry, it’s all good. I’ll take care of you, I’ll bring you, I’ll reunite you with your parents or I’ll like, you know, show you how this forest works. And that character that gets introduced is going to be on lunch pails and Happy Meal toys and T shirts. It’s going to be a like, like capitalized commodity that’s going to be sold to your kid for the rest of their life.

And then when Bambi 2 comes out, out and they have kids, they’re gonna be like, oh man, this movie was such a classic. I need to show it to my kids. And it kind of like perpetuates this chain. But, but the Disney proxy, it’s literally a formula of how can we traumatize a child and then immediately save them with some kind of intellectual property that we own and we can make money off of. So I think that that’s kind of like the, the most insidious part of any Disney movie, like reading between the lines. The, the lines are that, that your parents have abandoned you kid.

But if you go and buy this toy or you go and watch this movie, we’ll make you whole again. Coco though, doesn’t, I mean, Hector doesn’t show up on lunchboxes. I guess that’s a difference on this one. But they are, you know, trying to own to the iconography of, you know, they have taken over Mexico and Epcot though. Like when you go. Yeah, yeah. I haven’t been there since 2009. So like I was annoyed when they put Donald Duck on the ride, you know, I mean, it’s fine for me. Hector isn’t like, Hector’s pretty big, but he isn’t as big as, let’s say like a Olaf the Snowman or you know, somebody where that motherfucker is everywhere you go, you know.

But Hector is whenever. I haven’t been to Tijuana or Mexico in a very long time. But if I can, I’m pretty sure if I were to go over there, Hector would probably be everywhere. Yeah, I guess just from like my point of view, like, like Japan, I guess probably because of the cultural, you know, ravine. It’s just not that popular in Japan. I think people know the movie, they don’t remember me. Like I said, I had 10 year old Japanese kids made me learn the song. So they know it, but it’s maybe it has a little more cultural tenderhooks, you know, over in North America than here.

Yeah, true. I mean, they just tried to put Marvel on the ride in the parks, in the Tokyo parks for the first time this year. So they, they put Groot and It’s a Small World and that’s the first Marvel thing they’ve had in the parks at all. So. Wow. It was fun though. I, I was, I was a fan of It’s a Small World with Groot. So I guess we’ll start wrapping this one up for two days then. Hey, Avra, you want to plug away? Yeah, you gotta got something there to plug. Yeah, yeah, no, just.

I’m pretty much drop reviews and reactions on my channel. I try to do every other day emceeing and, and music is my main forefront under my af, under my Afro with the Dashes name. But I also, I just dropped a new album called Crimson Fury a couple weeks ago. It’s where I’m. I’m telling a story in a, in a filmmaking aspect where it’s a classic 70s assault on Precinct 13 action, shoot them up kind of feel, but also a revenge break out of prison, kill the guy who killed my best friend kind of feel. So I went with that for this album and that’s on all platforms and, and yeah, I’m also just working on ton other projects for the year and it’s going to be a pretty busy year as far as music, musical projects.

And I gotta, I gotta plug your fro fizzle reviews too. We’ll put a link in the description, all this. But again, like you go, I don’t know if this was intentional from you, I assume it was. But pretty much all the movies you review, you’re giving them like 8.8s and nines and 9.8. So. So you’re. You’re only reviewing like really good movies that you end up suggesting that people watch. It seems I review a lot of Stinkers as well. I have a bad movie little playlist and that’s like the Room, Tommy Wiseau, Nights of the Zodiac, the traditional horrible films.

Like I have a nice little playlist as well. Mortal Kombat, Annihilation, I have a couple where I actually started off the channel four years ago tearing apart films and then I wanted to scale it back and be like, you know what, let me show the movies that I really enjoy as well. Or like pro favorites or movies that I really resonate with that I grew up and nostalgic ones like Earnest, Scared, Stupid, or just, you know, and And I wanted to showcase that, like, more so love side as well. So I try to balance. Nowadays I’ll tear apart a movie, but more so nowadays you will see me showing flowers or giving love to a movie that I really enjoy.

Matt, I feel like that’s a perfect lead in for your movie podcast. I was gonna, like, try not to add interference and just mention the Twilight Zone one time. Enough. Podcast is where we just finished going over the Twilight Zone. So, hey, there’s a lot of trippy stuff in there. Imprison in Prison and the Prisoner podcast, which is now another Severance severed cast. I guess we’re covering the show Severance, you know, starring Adam Scott. Just to tie that back in real quick, since you said that, my lady, she’s also an artist and I produce. She just dropped a song today called Severance, and it’s about the show.

We also dropped the video too, that we spliced together. It’s just clips from the show, but she’s rapping about Lumen and the innie and Audi and I produced a song. We just dropped that today. So I just said that because you, you brought up Severance. No, that’s cool. I mean, that’s. I. It’s. It’s in the. It’s in the blood right now. Just the reason we were even doing that is just because people kept telling me to watch it and then people wanted to talk about. I’m like, well, I just want to do a podcast about it.

So it’s. It seems to be kind of a blood right now. So that’s just proven the point. Point. Since you’re doing Twilight Zone and Severance, Ben Stiller is, I guess he is appointed to be the director of the new Twilight Zone episodes. So now my eyes lit up a little bit when he said that. So I said that the first time because I, I’m pretty sure because of Severance, because of the. The sci fi aspect and everything. I’m sure they’re like, yo, let’s get him for Twilight Zone. And that’s what I’m doing. Severance. I’m like, oh, it kind of follows that.

That thread a little bit, but yeah. Hey, Thomas, what you got cooking? Well, so I just finally released the illuminati comic on paranoidamerican.com. this is a comic book about the Bavarian Illuminati that goes all the way back to their foundings in 1700s, all the way through modern day. We mentioned how, like, maybe Lady Gaga is in the Illuminati and it’s not that crazy because Mozart, Beethoven and Bach were literally in the Bavarian Illuminati. They were all connected. Beethoven’s piano, violin teacher and publisher were direct Illuminati members. And in fact, I believe one of them went on to take over the official Illuminati after Adam Weishop went into hiding.

If you care about any of that stuff, I think we’ve got the first and only comic book that details their entire history from start to end, all illustrated. It’s the equivalent of a full page like 20 page comic, but it’s in a little chick track format. So that one’s at@illuminati comic.com and it’ll just bring you to paranoidamerican.com pre sold over 5, 000 copies back in December. So all the ones that we’ve got left over from that initial run are available now and I’ll, I’ll send you a copy for free. Afro for hanging out with us. Thank you bro.

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