Everything you Know about Frozen is WRONG w/ Anna Nicole Wordsmith

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Also a very big hit in its own right. So many countries. I think Italy won like an award for it for their dubbing. So yeah, anyway people, it came out different times but. But El Capitan was something like November 2013, so. And for anyone that’s listening and not watching, we do have a special guest, Anna Nicole Wordsmith, now like a well known personality on the think tank that we do on Sundays, sometimes, maybe sometimes Tuesdays, who knows. You got to be paying attention. But welcome to Occult Disney. You specially requested Frozen in particular, so I’m excited to hear what your takes are on Frozen.

I’m so excited. Thank you for. Thank you for allowing me to participate in this episode. Thanks for popping in. I mean this is kind of a tent pole of I guess this podcast. I imagine a few people might be coming in listening for the first time or whatever. Hello. If you’re there. Hopefully we’re, you know, we’ll get down a bit into this one. We were talking a little bit before hitting record where this is one of my most viewed movies. My daughter’s now 16. That means when this came out she was about 4, 5, 6. And yeah, I’ve seen this movie about 6,000 times, though not in the past eight or so years.

So it was kind of a, a reviewing of it last night for me. But one of those things, it’s like, you know, if I watch Ghostbusters, it’s like I can play this movie in my mind. I don’t actually have to watch Ghostbusters just because of exposure. Frozen’s about there. Yeah. This is the first time that I’ve ever seen it. Amazing. I guess you’re not a theater guy. Maybe you didn’t have the kids around. I will say I saw the preview. I remember going with my. My workmate at the time. And the preview in the movie theater was just let it go.

It was just that sequence. And I saw that and was like, oh, no. Because I’m not a Broadway guy. And like, I actually kind of, like, tried to distance myself from the movie for some time. But of course you have kids, you’re gonna see it. I do like it, but there’s a one thing I just have to throw in. About two months after it came out, the movie’s so popular and same co worker and myself were at work teaching English to mostly adopt some kids. And they want us to, like, play Frozen music. And neither of us, like, really knew what Frozen music was at the time.

I’d been distancing myself. He was a, you know, like, dude in his 20s. He hadn’t seen it. So he did this weird thing where I tried to pick a guitar part that sounded kind of like, let it go. And then he just read the lyrics over it. It’s like beat poetry. And that seemed to make him happy. I’m sure it went over very well. The kids were entertained. I think it was kids in this case. So the kids were entertained. Like, yeah, you’re not getting this. This now iconic song. I mean, I think anyone can hum it now, but at this point in time, I was like, I don’t actually know how this song goes and neither does he.

And you want us to play it? What? Wasn’t on YouTube yet. The movie was still live in theater, so. Well, Anna and I were talking about this a little bit earlier too, because she was just asking me, like, you know, did you like it? And I didn’t give anything away. I was waiting until we recorded so that I could give some of the impressions away. But the big one was just that I’m not a fan of musicals. And with within less than 14 minutes, you get three full songs. And I felt like it was setting the pace for the rest of the movie.

So I kind of. I brace myself. I don’t. I don’t take points away or, like, critique against it, but I just realized that it’s one thing that I have to get over. It’s like someone serves you a. A decent meal, but it has like the one thing you don’t like. It just has a bunch of cauliflower and you’re like, oh my God, anything but that. But I could still happen. Yesterday I ate the broccoli. It was a nice restaurant. I think that’s the difference between me and you, Thomas, is that you’re very like logical minded. For me, I love musicals.

Like that is the most exciting thing for me. I remember the songs. They stay with me forever. I can take them out of the movie and helps me learn. I remember I learned the 50 states and capitals from that Animaniac song. Do you remember that? There’s something about sing song with children when you’re trying to teach them their address or their name or stuff, you. You teach it to them in like a sing songy way because that’s how their mind remembers it. But I think it’s. It’s a different part of the mind. And so I feel like I’m very bright brained.

Like I’m not logical at all. But you are very articulate and logically minded, so that must be. I feel like I fight it too. I feel like I’ve. When I start hearing a song, part of me is like, all right, here comes the emotional manipulation. Like, what do you. What do you got for me? And I feel like extra set of walls goes up. That makes me not able to appreciate it if I didn’t do that. I got the stats for you here. 23 minutes of music, 102 minute film, 10 minutes of that’s credit. So it is about a fourth music.

Yeah, there’s. There’s a lot of music here. It’s. And it’s not so bad. They definitely front load a bunch of songs right off the bat. But there’s decent stretches where there’s no music and I guess most of it’s serviceable. I don’t. I think so much of it has just been drilled into my head already over the last decade from it just being popular and hearing other people and like. So maybe I just don’t mind it as much. Maybe this movie is going to help you get in touch with your inner feminine. I don’t know. It’s all about not doing that.

It’s all about suppressing feelings though. Yeah. The other songs in the movie do it for me more. I like the troll song. The song the troll’s done first time forever is fine. I don’t like, do you want to build a snowman? Very much. I find that song mildly annoying. What else do we have? You know, Let it go is. I don’t know, it’s like, like you always know you’re my wind, beneath my wings or something. Which I think was actually the audition for the two lead singers. They just did win Beneath My Wings as a duet because the music hadn’t been written yet and Disney was like, sure, hired.

Now that’s a song. Although that’s not from a musical. Right. That just happened to be a song that was in a movie that got popular, but it wasn’t like a musical movie. Yeah, but it sounds like a song that should be in a musical, doesn’t it? I guess. Yeah. One of those showstoppers. So yeah, on the stage. I haven’t seen too many musicals, I think. Have we talked about this before? Just I guess my musical background as far as actually seeing one. When I was in high school, we saw Les Mis in Times Square. That was cool.

Some folks gave us tickets to Cats somewhere in the mid-90s. And we were very confused watching that. I went with my family and my dad and I were just like, what is happening? And. And then I know I mentioned it at least on our anime one about a year and a two years ago. My daughter really likes the anime JoJo’s Bizarre Adventure and there was a three hour musical in Tokyo for it. So we went and saw the three hour musical, which I made sure to know nothing about JoJo coming going in, so I would just be like properly confused.

So did it work out? Yeah, I was pretty confused. Okay, that’s. That’s working out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can order a scotch in a lobby is fine. I think the, the nostalgic ones I can get behind just because they were drilled into my head as a kid. And then Book of Mormon got a pass because I actually went and saw that one and I thought it like delivered because like the songs were the plot and it was all funny and informative and like, I don’t know that like. But that one worked. But I’ve also seen their original one, which was Cannibal the Musical.

O yeah. I don’t know if I was a fan of that one either. It was just the theme song that’s been stuck in my head for, geez, 30 years now. Almost like 25. What’s the theme? I don’t even know if I remember. What’s the theme song? The sun is gray and all the skies like a baked potato. I don’t remember the words, to be honest. Baked potato was correct, though. That was not an ad lib. It does something like a baked potato. You might have a little more. Yeah, you might have a little more musical background, as you just mentioned.

What do you. What kind of musicals are at the top of your list? I like all of them. I think my dad would take me to see, like, musicals in the theater when I was a kid, and that was, like, always a big treat because they were, like, expensive and you felt all fancy dressing up and going to the theater, and then you got to get, like, the CD or whatever and listen to it for the rest of your life. I’ve liked all of them. Like Les Mis, obviously. I’ve seen that a bunch of times in Miss Saigon and Chicago.

And I think I saw Shrek in London. Phantom of the Opera. Yeah, just like. I don’t know. I can’t even list them all. But Lion King. Oh, yeah, Lion King. I saw that in the theater, too. Oh, no, I mean the musical. Yeah, yeah, I saw that in the theater. Oh, did they. Did they have a theatrical release of the musical that was based on the theatrical release? Yeah, and Beauty and the Beast, too. Okay, see, I don’t even. You are far more qualified to speak on musicals than both of us combined, I think. Well, I will throw in a weird one, though.

If someone gave me a ticket to this today, I’d be quite excited. I would like to see Starlight Express, which is a musical about trains. The people are playing trains, and they’re all on, like, rollerblades or roller skates. And the set is like this giant. Like, they have to roll around and sing and stuff the whole time. You know what? You reminded me, too. I think hair gets a pass. I think I saw Hair already not liking musicals, and I was like, you know what? This is an interesting take on musicals. Like that one, I think.

Also got a pass. I’ll call myself a discerning fan of musicals if it really gets me. You know, that’s great. But I think we’re. We’re probably like the. The across the spectrum. Like, I’m on one end, Anna’s on the other end, and you, like, you’re maybe somewhere in the middle, not, like center point, but somewhere between those. Yeah, that works. I saw Singing in the Rain a few years ago. I liked it. I like the Clockwork Rendition version of Singing. Does that count as a musical? The scene in Clockwork Orange? Because I like that one. Oh, that’s a hard scene to watch.

It is a good Scene though, is that. Does that make Clockwork Orange a musical? He sings it later. It’s got all that Bach. Yeah, we’re gonna call it Clockwork Musical. Just to be fun, you know. You don’t have to answer that. Just a thought to gestate on. Is Clockwork Orange a musical or should they make a musical version for Broadway? That’s what I’d like to see. Yeah. Clockwork Orange on Broadway. I guess I’ll do a little bit of the talking about the production here. You know, some movies that were like, oh, this is successful. Was it not? Everybody knows frozen was successful.

Budget 150, which is actually a little bit less than Tangled. I think we’re the same because we covered that, which was a pretty good success. But yeah, we’re looking at over a billion dollars, you know, and plus all of the merch and everything. This is, this is a pop culture phenomenon, you know, that rolls. It’s. It’s a bank in unto itself, I guess, for Disney. Why is that? What? Like what? And actually, more importantly, before we even answer that, more importantly, does this follow the trend where Disney wasn’t sure if it was going to be successful or not versus the movies that they seen that they like.

We know this one’s going to be a winner and then it flops. And then the ones that they, they’re thinking maybe we should just do straight to video. And at the last second they’re like, nah, put in the theater. And then that one becomes the big one. This might have the longest pre production history of any movie ever. This actually goes back to 1937, right before the premiere of Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs. I don’t know. They started now that, yeah, that’s obviously different people. It comes, it goes away, it comes back. But that was one of their first thoughts.

What’s our follow up? We do the Ice Queen, you know, Snow White worked out. Let’s do another, you know, let’s do Hans Christian Andersen. All that. So interesting. I had no idea. And yet the war got in the way, so. And they mostly just kind of forgot about it by that point. Right? Well, the World War II. Oh yeah, the Cold War. Gotcha. Yeah, that didn’t help either. It looks like there was a live action Hans Christian Andersen, 1952, where this again was thought to possibly be in it. They forget about till the 90s. It’s briefly thought about during the Disney renaissance in the 90s.

Oh, that sounds. Harvey Fierstein pitched his version of the story Disney. That doesn’t sound great. It was about to go to Pixar in 2004. Eisner was going to give it Laster. And that’s when all the. The talks break down. Eisner’s shoved out the door. Frozen sits in the cold for a few more years. Still called the Ice Queen at this point. It’s a pretty late decision that they go for Frozen. They say it was not influenced by Tangled, though. They say they were separate decisions. But no, it wasn’t. It’s in the coffee at the. At the studios, you know, so when they actually finally make it.

It’s kind of insane, though. In 2012, it’s like, okay, time to make Frozen. So the script gets written very quickly. The movie gets animated within 12 months. It’s like almost. They chose 2012 to start. To start, yes. Movie comes out at the end of 2013, which for animation, that’s crazy. When the world supposedly ended is when they started when the world’s ending. But they planned for the movie to come out after the world ended. Yeah. Well, think about cryogenics, right? Everybody’s always so. Disney is always associated with ice. Like, even the name Eisner, it kind of sounds like ice.

But everyone associates Disney’s head being cryogenically frozen. They had the whole Disney on Ice production where they would go and do, like, ice shows for, like, what a bizarre thing to have. But there seems to be, like, a connection between Disney and. Like you said, it’s starting with Snow White, right? That’s. That’s my favorite theory about Frozen in general, is that Disney decided to name it Frozen so that they could Google bomb everyone that was searching for his frozen head. And just. Just to put, like, the Normie Snopes rates that false explanation out there is to.

Officially, Walt’s family had him cremated, and I think, like, his remains are somewhere in, like, Glendale, California or something. Somewhere like that. And that he was never cryogenically frozen. That he didn’t. There was some contestant that if he even knew what cryogenics were necessarily before he died and that it was a rumor that it probably just got started and then, like, kind of got out of control. So that’s the official Normie explanation, is that he never got frozen, never even knew what cryogenics were. Someone made it up as a joke and it got out of hand.

I think he did know what cryogenics were, though, because I think so, too. I’m just starting to come up like. Like, hey, here’s something we might do. Let’s, let’s, let’s go. Let’s take one step further and say he did get his head frozen, then put it under Cinderella’s castle. Now I’m going to put on my. My rational guy hat and say, well, the technology, did it really last 50 years without failing? Guessing not. Did the people running it not screw up? You know, I feel like even if they froze it, it’s. It probably thawed at some point.

If you look into modern day 20, 25, cryogenics, they all believe in this thing called last in, first out. This is like typical logic for a whole bunch of different industries, but basically last in, first out. Because if I get frozen today and then they find a way to thaw someone out in a year from now, there’s a much better chance that they can thaw me out, that I’ve only got a year of freezer burn on me versus going to the back of the freezer and finding wall that’s, like, stuck to whoever else Walt was frozen next to.

And you know when you gotta, like, pry the two pieces apart and then, like, the edges are all, like, white and you know that it’s going to have, like, a smell to it even after it’s, like, thought out and stuff. So that’s kind of where Walt would be. And most modern cryogenics believers, they basically believe that anyone that was frozen before, like, five or 10 years ago, they’re going to be in there for like, maybe a century or more until the technology is so far advanced that not only can they thaw you out, but they can thaw you out and repair freezer burn.

Right on. Yeah. But it’s also a theory that the more time. Yeah. The more time that passes, the more it’s like. Yeah. I don’t know. It’s like Elvis isn’t dead. Well, he is now, most likely. What, he’d be 90 now. So I think we can. Whatever they had in Demolition man worked. That was good. Yeah. Idiocracy. They had some functional stuff. They’re not in the future, just in the, you know, the present of that movie. Why do you think that rumor persisted, though? Like. Like, I think, you know me, I think of everything in layers and metaphor and, like, there’s like, metadata in the meaning.

So. Do you, like, do you think there’s any. I think it’s the Nazi connection. He was connected to, like, Nazi space technology and, like, weird mystical mysticism in that angle, so. And he had the resources, and he was a kooky guy. So you kind of add all those up and it’s. It would be more like, well, why wouldn’t he? You know what I mean? Like you. It would be easier to just say that he did it. And then logically it sounds like something that out of all the people on the planet would have done. Walt Disney sounds like he had the means and maybe the thought process to do that.

I don’t necessarily think that that’s 100 true, but I can see that it seems just as logical. Yeah, I was just sitting there. Why not just chuck his body into Antarctica? You know, that should do the same trick, right? Antarctica. The Nazis, huh? That’s where that came to mind. I was like, wouldn’t it like, if it was like, hey, we could cryogen freeze you with this 1960s technology, or you can just deep freeze your body in Antarctica. I don’t know. Both options sound reasonable now that the. It will be. They both sound like the end, to be honest.

But whatever. He was like a chain smoker, right? I’m just thinking, like, what if they actually cryogenically were able to thaw him back out, they bring him back to life, and then he dies of lung cancer. About right. He had the Club 33. Right. And doesn’t water freeze at 32 degrees? Yes. Or is that when it stops freezing? I forget. Yeah, it’s a little. Think of a snowy day, though. I don’t know what part of. Where do you live? Do you live in a snowy place? I live in Texas. Oh. You don’t get so much snow there.

And I’m in Florida, so now. Okay. So I live up in the mountains. That’s why I’m bringing it up. Sometimes it’s like 35 and it’s still snowier in hell because just the, you know, the residual snow is kind of keeping itself cold a little bit. So you can. You can. If you’re at 33 and it’s already snowed, it’s. It’s not going away, but it is a common. It’s 32 degrees. Fahrenheit is the common marker because water can turn into ice or into. Into liquid in a few different degrees, depending on a whole bunch of like super chilling properties and stuff.

But yeah, that’s an interesting. Although I don’t think Walt ever made it to the 32nd degree, which would have been Scottish. Right. He was in demolay. And as soon as he got out of demolay, it doesn’t look like he re entered masonry. But he continued to support demolay for the rest of his life. It seemed. I mean, as we’ve gone through a history, it seemed Walt’s shtick was like, I’ll start my own society. He did that with Bohemian Grove too. He get. He gets invited to Bohemian Grove. And I think he’s a guest there. The records on, like, when and where a little bit murky, but that he goes there and he was probably like, oh, I don’t know if this is exactly my thing.

And then ends up creating a new one. Or like co creating a new one where they dress up as cowboys and they go out and they camp outside. So it was like, very similar to Bohemian Grove, but more cowboy than, I guess than whatever weird stuff they do with under the owl statue. Yeah. I’m sitting here trying. I can’t remember a name, but he’s got. Is it like Red Tree Lodge or Ranch? Ranch. I’m typing Lodge. I need to write Ranch. But it was like Rancheros something or other. Smoke Tree Ranch became a member of the Smoke Tree Ranch.

And I. I think he. It’s like even on like, the robot they built, like, his ties got the label like, of that. So it seemed that was an important one. Maybe that was his society. Oh, well, they say all hat, no cattle. The sound that seems like a Walt Disney cowboy. Yeah. Yeah. Well, he was more of a polo guy. Can a cowboy play polo? I have heard the argument made that Disneyland occurred because of Watt polo’s injury, because that was his hobby. And then he got hurt and couldn’t play polo anymore and had his back injury.

So he got into model trains and he needed a place to put his model trains. That ultimately becomes Disneyland. I’ve never heard that one. I’ve heard that. And that a lot of people that get real deep into Disney and can afford it, they’ll end up putting little trains around their houses. There was like a few when I was working at Disney, a few of the execs. I don’t know why, but that was like a weird flex. Was like, hey, check this out. It was like a video of them, like, riding around in a little miniature train in their backyard.

They had like, rigged to go all over it. And there was another guy that was like, I’m working on mine right now. It was the weirdest meeting I had ever been in. But apparently if you get high enough in Disney, it becomes a thing. No. In the mid-40s, Walt did build a train set like that around his house. And I think in 1952 or something, someone crashed a train and it was too expensive fix. So it’s like, let’s make a park instead. Trains are related to, like, time and death. Go on. Like, the time zones were created around the train tracks.

And when you see, like, well, I mean, like the Holocaust, right. Everyone got taken in on the train. And then Grand Central Station became Grand Central Terminal, which is, like, symbolic of the Soul Train. And then on the Good Place, everyone got brought to the afterlife via train, which is interesting because the Good Place also had Kristen Bell, who was also in Frozen in Beetlejuice, too. The train is what takes you from, like, the first death to the final death. And as we’re going through these, just need to throw in, if you don’t know it, one of the best Twilight Zone episodes, a Stop at Willoughby where he keeps seeing this idyllic town, and he finally gets off the train.

Right. So which suggests that he is not alive at the end of that episode. Okay, fair point. Yeah. Disney and trains. It all leads to death, I guess every time on trains myself, after this, I’m getting on a train and going to work. No, that’s right. Okay. Don’t die. Yeah. Shinano Railway is mostly just tourists. It is funny when I commute to work, it’s. It’s a little rural line in the Japanese mountains. And because it’s not the main train company, it’s really appealing. So a lot of times I’m getting off for work and there’s a bunch of people, like, taking pictures.

So, you know, it’s kind of. Oh, man. Those sarin gas attacks, that was also happening in the trains, isn’t it subways? Yes. Which is apparently still the reason we can’t have trash cans in Japan. That. That’s actually like the number one complaint with. Wait, what? You can’t have trash cans because of sarin gas in the 90s? Yeah, people hide bombs and sarin gas and stuff. And that’s actually the number one foreign visitor complaint now, above language gap. That. What, the sarin gas attacks? No, the lack of. The lack of trash cans. Because, say you buy a soda or something, you drink your soda.

Living in Japan must say, I’m gonna stick it in my backpack. And you know, when I get to a convenience store, maybe. Maybe I can throw it away. And I, I. Around my house, I. I always have a. Like, oh, this. These vending machines still have a place to throw cans. This one got rid of theirs for some reason, so. Oh, you should come back to the States. So great here, like, they shut the. The entire government down. You could just go to Yellowstone now and just throw garbage all over the place. You could just, like, drink half a soda and just throw it and no one’s there to do anything about it.

It’s great. It’s. I was in the States a few weeks ago, and I was like, hey, we’re just going to. There’s a trash can. The barbecue place. I can just throw this. This. You don’t even have to. You can just throw it out in nature. Nobody cares. It’s great here. It’s beautiful. Okay, there we go. Land of the free garbage. Yeah. God is watching. God knows you through that in the. In the forest. So getting back to the movie, I guess, a little bit is they claim their biggest bugaboo for this movie was trying to work out the title, to work out Elsa.

Because through most of the iterations of this movie, Elsa is a pure villain. At some point, they decide that Anna, who is always going to be the protagonist, will be sisters now with Elsa still being evil. And at some point, I guess they had to adjust her to be confused and misunderstood. They do credit. Let it go with being the. The key and doing that. Oh, we have a sympathetic villain song. Why don’t we lean into that? We’ll be looking into that. That might not be what we find, but that is what the official featurettes and documentation will tell you.

Is, is this the first sympathetic Disney villain? Hmm. I love, hate it when you ask these questions, because I’m putting you on the spot a little bit. But again, the reason the stone, where Merlin and that witch are both kind of like, gray area. No, Merlin’s the good guy, and we found a lot of bad stuff. Yeah. You have to ignore the real world and just go on the movie world. And he’s the good guy, she’s the bad guy. That one’s pretty clean cut. Even though he’s probably molesting Arthur. They did distribute Ghibli, and I would suggest that several Ghibli, quote unquote villains are certainly somewhat sympathetic.

Like. But that’s not. Yeah, I understand. That doesn’t count. They distributed it. So I know this. This might be one of the. The catalysts for Disney starting to take this turn that we’re in now, like a decade after this comes out, where now we’ve. It’s like Krill Deville. Here’s the reason why she was really good. Maleficent, right? What did Maleficent come out after this or before this? Right after, actually, I was looking in Japan. It was number one for, like, several weeks, and Maleficent is the one that took it out. So. So this one technically predates Maleficent, and Maleficent was I think like the first official.

Wait, no. The bad guys are really good guys. Like Disney’s 1984 thing. Okay, I have a few things to answer your question that might be of interest. Toy Story almost did that by making Woody more villainous, but they kind of pulled back on that. The one where I guess we get a somewhat sympathetic villain might be Ratatouille, where the film, the film, the food critic is shown as villainous and then sort of has his bliss moment transported back to childhood eating the ratatouille. So it adds some sympathy. So that, that would be my closest hit before.

But this one, I guess critic, though, he’s not villainous, he’s not turning the world to ice. And plus he’s not a protagonist, he’s not a main character. And this one, clearly Elsa’s the main character. And Maleficent, clearly she’s the main character. In the Krill Deville movie, she’s the main character. So it’s not just like a background character that gets a story arc where they transform and turn good, but it’s like a retelling of like, oh no, wait. But I guess in Frozen though, they don’t have to wait to do the original movie and then do a retcon later.

They kind of like do it all in this one movie. We do have Frozen two to get to now. It’s interesting you say Elsa is the lead because she would be in that maleficent Ursula role up until late in the story writing, and Anna always would have been the main character at that point. She’s your Ariel, she’s your Belle. Right? She’s got the love interests. It’s hard for me to feel bad or relate to Anna because she’s just a bored rich girl like that. The worst thing she goes through is that she’s super bored in this like awesome palace.

Well, I think in fairness, like they both had their, their traumas that shaped them into who they are. We got the Anna apologist here. Of course, she’s not that bad of a villain. For one. She’s just, she’s kind of just avoidant. She’s got an avoidant attachment style. She was born with magic. And then she’s like, you know, she like kind of lets go and she’s having fun with her sister and they’re both free and open hearted and playing. And then she accidentally hurts her sister. And that in that moment, like that trauma gets kind of frozen in both of them, right? Because like on his hair she gets that white streak in her.

And then Elsa has like, she’s caught in like fear and shame and then she becomes avoidantly attached. Like she’s afraid to get close to people because she’s afraid she’s going to hurt them. So she distanced herself. And then by distancing herself, she’s isolated, but she’s, she’s alone and maybe a little bit lonely, but too afraid to get. It’s like really quite tragic when you think about their individual circumstances. And then Anna, she’s got the, that’s like typically created. She’s got the anxious attachment style which usually happens in childhood when someone has inconsistent caregiver someone who’s there for them and then isn’t there for them.

And they never know which way to be. And so they become very needy as people. They need to be. They feel, they need closeness with other people to feel safe. And so it’s avoidance and anxious attachment styles create like a paradox within themselves because they somehow for whatever reason in this matrix, always connect. And then once they do, they, they create like a trap because one of them is pushing, trying to get closer. The more one pushes to get closer, the more the other one pushes to stay farther. And then that makes the other one more anxious and more try to get even more.

It’s just like a cycle of torment that we go through. One take. I’ve heard on this from a few friends and we haven’t seen, or at least Thomas and I have not seen Frozen 2 yet. But I had a friend who said, especially that movie. But watching this one, I was like, this one works too. It’s like, like yeah, they’re actually some of the better X Men movies. Because if you’re just like, oh, it’s not magic, she’s a mutant. And well, that pretty much tracks with that sort of thing, which I don’t know as a, as a old school comic book geek that I was having fun watching it with that lens last night.

Well, she’s not a mutant though. She’s born with this ability. Mutants are born with their ability in the X Men. Or she was given it by the troll magic. It seems that everything this movie comes from troll magic. They might seem cute at first, but yeah, those. Damn. Plus if. Let’s just. All things being equal, you’ve never heard of Frozen. Like you’re, you’re just out in the world, living your life as a normal person and someone’s like, hey man, you wanna, you wanna do some troll magic? None of that sounds like a good thing. Like something good would happen from troll magic.

And yet in this movie. Right. Aren’t they. Aren’t they rocks? Yeah, well, rock slash trolls. Yeah. Okay, so, like, we use rocks and crystals for healing all the time. Yeah. But if you actually look into the origins of these particular trolls from the Sami people, and I think they’re called, like, the Stola or something, and the, like, the actual background of these trolls in this region that are marked by Kristoff, who they steal as a child and they raise him as one of their own. Even, like, the traditional clothing that Kristoff wears is from these Sami people.

And the Sami people describe these trolls as literal cannibals. They eat other people and that they filet and butcher children and they torture them if they make noise on Christmas. This is true. Like, if, like, I guess it was a way to keep kids quiet on Christmas for, I assume some sort of like a natural preservation, like bears are around. I don’t. I don’t know what the reason is, but that I don’t know. And, and that there’s. There’s no trace of any kind of good troll magic from this entire region in this entire, like, time period.

So maybe, but it would be. It would be the first time. It would be like a foreign concept for troll magic to be good in this region. I was talking to. Oh, go ahead. We don’t need any troll magic apologists on this show. Just popping up out of nowhere. My bad. I was just going to throw out. I just looked at the wiki again and saw nothing about this. But I. I do a chat on my Sunday nights where one lady that comes in is from Norway and she. I mentioned, yeah, I’m doing Frozen this week.

And she mentioned that there was a little bit of controversy about the Sami not completely liking the depiction. Maybe partly because of that from this movie. I mean, it inverts it. They’re called the Stallos. And the reason I even bring this up is because when Anna was like, warrant they rocks? Because now the modern. If you were to like, look into this and go to this region, there’s some national parks that have things called like Stallone stones. And the Stall of stones was. Is apparently rumored by the Sami people that these are the most ancient civilization, like ruins of their civilization that they even know of.

And that they put these big rocks, like, on top of places to, like, hide treasures or something. Like there’s. There’s something that’s specifically about these troll stones. So the combination of the troll figure and the stone figure in these Stallo stones actually has some kind of a merit to it. I only had so much time to go into tangents this week, but this was like a really deep one. Yeah. I’m wondering if you can tie that in with, you know, UK stone circles or things like that. Are these piles of rocks or like circles that they’re generally.

Is it like we’re going into the forest and we’re finding these stones and we’re just saying they’re trolls? I got a little excerpt because I. Because I figured this might come up. So, first of all, the Stallos are produced as half human, sometimes trolls who eat and rob people. Also seen as a kind of demon or devil created and sent out by the shaman to take enemies, and that they are rich beings, but also stupid. And that in all the fairy tales that whenever the human intellect has to go up to one of these Stallos or troll intellects, the human always wins out just because they are so stupid.

But that doesn’t equate like, magic. Like, what if they use magic against you to make you forget all of your memories or something like that would be a way for them to trick you and then you can’t use your mind against them. And then for the rock, the. The Vindal Fallen nature reserve contains remains of ancient large building foundations considered by Sami to be ancient remains of Stallow dwellings. And there’s a huge stone placed on small pebbles on top of some lake that I can’t pronounce, which literally means the Stallo stone. Legend dictates a Stallo would have placed a stone here to prove his strength.

So, like, the trolls would move rocks around to show, like, how magical and powerful they were. I’m just thinking, in Japan, you climb a mountain. Typically at the top of a mountain or even like a small hill or something, you’ll often find a pile of rocks. The idea being when I guess you have shown your strength to get to the top, you add a rock as a hiker or whatever, so. Oh, that’s ego, though. You just ruined the whole walk. Hey, I. I’ve never added the stone, but you see them. You know, honestly, you should knock those down just because it’s like, what’s.

When the. The monks do the little sand sculptures and then they blow it away in the wind or whatever. It’s kind of like, yeah, yeah, sure, why not? I mean, a good storm will probably do. I don’t know. How long does it take to move a pile of pebbles? I’m sure. I’m sure they get blown around the winter. They. They can’t. Yeah, it’s got to be A new one the next year. You’re helping them out. If someone does that, you’re helping them out by destroying their artwork because you’re helping you by destroying what you. By. I’m.

Yes, I’m giving you ego Death. That’s. Isn’t it egotistical to do that, though? Now we’re stuck in a vicious cycle. Well, only if you’re doing it because you think that it’s good that you’re doing it. Okay. You have to be pure at heart, and then you can destroy people’s heart. This is also why I destroy children’s sandcastles whenever I see them on the beach. But they don’t know it, but it’s like, it’s good for their ego. Is good for it. You may be crying now, but you’ll be. It’ll toughen you up. Don’t be so attached to the material world and these Saturnian laws that you’re being forced to live under.

Well, hey, on Saturday, I had a three year old completely pissed off at me because first I wouldn’t let him climb around on my head, because honestly, if he stands right. Right on your shoulders, that’s fine. But once he starts pushing down your neck, that’s bad news. So I’ve got him off there. Two minutes later, I’m teaching a bunch of other kids and he’s just throwing a trash can around the room. So I had to stop him from doing that too. And then he was very angry at me because we’re stopping him throwing trash cans around the room.

3. Chronos. I was gonna say with Anna, though, I guess the trolls have, like, magically gaslit her then, because she’s really, like, the only one. Like, Elsa didn’t have her memories replaced, right? Just Anna. Just Anna. And. And I. I have some personal problem with this solution in general. They were. They said first they’re like, look, you’re going to hurt people if you don’t know how to protect and, like, not use your magic. You got to go to Professor X, like, Danger Room and figure out how to use your ICE manpower. Otherwise you can hurt someone and they scare the family and they scare the girls with that.

And then they erase Anna’s memory. But the whole thing was that. So she’s not afraid of her own sister, but in reality, they just avoid each other that whole time anyway. And it almost seemed like her having a healthy fear of something that could actually kill her might be preferable to severing the connection between two sisters for a couple decades as the parents you know, sail off somewhere and then literally die. Meet the Little Mermaid. Have you. Have you heard that one? I like that. People want to tie the movies together, like, oh, the parents are going to, I don’t know, Cinderella’s or Belle’s wedding.

And in the Little Mermaid, Ariel’s like, you know, place of tinker and toys is that ship at the bottom of the sea. It’s close enough. Just because of Hans Christian Andersen, I assume. But also there’s the rumors that they sailed off and they shipwrecked, but then they washed up on the shore and then gave birth to a Tarzan and then immediately were attacked by a jaguar and died. So technically, Anna and Elsa are brother and sister to Tarzan. I like that one. But I prefer the one that Ariel likes to play in the bones of Anna and Elsa’s parents.

Choose your poison. And then in this case, I guess, hey, it’s your head cannon. You choose the one you like. But that. That implies a much darker or, like, more complicated story where it was just Anna’s and Elsa’s mom that survives because they have to get with King Neptune. Right. Because King Neptune is the. The real father of Ariel. So, I don’t know, it seems like you got to add more pieces to that. Yeah, well, and that the temporary amnesia is, like, that’s a trauma response, too. But, like, what you’re saying, except that it seems like it’s unintegrated, and so it always does remain and, like, in the shadow or the unconscious.

And so even though they think it’s better to, like, just wipe the memory, something still lingers. And I wonder if that happened to all of us, like, collectively. Like the. The magic. Right. That we used to have in this world. Like, when we see the giants and stuff. Like, there’s this world, I think, used to be a lot more magical, and there’s been some sort of collective amnesia that’s come over the entire. More troll magic. Yeah, we get down to the idea that collective unconsciousness, you know, around the planet is, you know, modifying the plan. Like Mandela effect.

Maybe we’re all doing that together, you know, that sort of thing. And then you do think, yeah, 20 years ago, I guess. I guess the vibe was different. Right. Although. Yeah, I mean, the. The trolls literally figured out how to do what MK Ultra was trying to do. No, that’s almost exactly what they were after. And I’m also. I’m super suspicious of the trolls in this universe, like, the frozen universe, because if they can so easily take your memories away from you and then, like, Wipe your mind clean. Who’s to say that they haven’t been doing that to everybody? And, like, you just wouldn’t know because they’ve already erased your mind.

And also, what happens to those memories? Like, knowing the real backstory of these Stallo creatures, but if they lack human intellect, they’re like, oh, we’ll just wipe your memory. But I’m like, are you stealing the memory? Like, what happens to the memory? Does it just, you know, evaporate and turn back into ether? Or now do the trolls get to, like, consume it or use it or somehow exploit the fact that they now have human intellect? Because one of the most recurring themes in all the different Disney movies is that when you’ve got, like, Snow White and the Seven Dwarves.

Great example, if these were being made alongside each other, is that in Snow White and the Seven Dwarves, they have an agreement that Snow White is going to trade human intellect and compassion and teach it to these Earth elementals that have no idea what human consciousness is. In exchange, they give her, like, these jewels and these precious minerals from underground where the light doesn’t reach. And then she gives them all this light and everything. But in this movie, the trolls are just taking things, like, no. Like, there’s no transaction here. They take children, they take reindeers, they take memories.

Like, they’re. They’re not necessarily giving anything back at any point. Well, their advice, and it’s in the dialogue, it’s in the song, is what Conceal don’t feel right. That was her father that taught her that. It wasn’t the trolls. The trolls were, like, quite supportive and doing well. Yeah, because. Because, like, where their alien ant farm. Like, where their food. I’m sensing, like, a resistance to the. To the trolls. Why do you feel. Why do you feel it that way towards them, Thomas? Like a Freudian breakdown of. I think trolls are ultimately and, like, villains. That’s a villainous archetyp.

And it’s just weird that in this movie, they get this pass when clearly in this movie, they are the source of everything bad that happens. I don’t. I feel like that’s such an obvious on the cuff thing. Like, they’re the ones that suggest we have to wipe her memory so that these girls like that. That Anna won’t be afraid of Elsa. They’re the ones that said that. And everyone’s like, all right, I guess we got to do what the trolls say. Like, the dad whisks them away as soon as he finds out that Anna got blasted in the face.

And with, like, the icicle or whatever. He’s like, I know exactly what we got to do. And he brings them right to the trolls. Like, no. No one’s using any human intellect anywhere in here. It’s almost like. Like an idiocracy mentality where they’re all like, oh, it’s got electrolytes. We got to go to the trolls. They got electrolytes. Too much trust in Charles. You don’t want to trust the trolls. This is your thing. You. You will not trust the trolls. There’s a way. Let me flip that around. Why do you trust the trolls so much? Would you consider them elementals? Maybe because they are rock.

They’re literal rocks in this particular movie. So there’s a wisdom, an ancient Earth, Earth, crystalline wisdom within. Oh, yeah. I mean, Lucifer has wisdom, right. Would you trust the seven dwarves? Advice? Well, what kind of advice? If it’s like, take a left on that tunnel down there maybe. Oh, no, that’s bad advice. Don’t go down that tunnel. Now. They want you to invest jewels in a certain way. They’re going to give you financial advice. If one of the seven dwarf. Is it dopey that we’re talking about, though? I guess that’s a good question. No, grumpy. He sounds serious.

You take his advice. Right. The dwarfs represent, like, all sorts of things, right? Like the chakras or the colors of the rainbow. Planets, seven vices. I brought it up because when we cover that movie, we were very much into the they are elementals vibe, which makes me think, oh, them and trolls are like a few shades apart, but the dwarves are a little more, you know, they look a little more like humans. They’re technically a little. Wait, here. Here’s another good example to stitch those two together. Because in return to Oz, the bad guy is technically like a big rock elemental.

I was thinking about him. Yeah. And he’s pissed off because humans at that point have just been taking the emeralds and not giving anything back. That’s his whole beef with humans. And that previous to that, there was an equal exchange. Again, it’s that Snow White rule where if, like, if humanity is willing to share their consciousness with this material world, and the material world will give it, like, literal gems in exchange. But humans aren’t allowed to just take the emeralds. And I guess in this way, the rock elemental, trolls and Frozen aren’t allowed to just, like, take your memories and just like, take everything from.

You have to invite them in. There’s the actual rock giants, like the same one that’s in Oz. Is in Frozen 2. In Frozen 1, there is that big snow giant which feels like rock giant adjacent that she creates to protect her palace. Yeah. Her protector, which does feel. That does feel like kind of a. Like that snow giant didn’t ask to be there and defend that, you know, and then. Yeah, it doesn’t work out. So it’s kind of like Elsa creates life multiple times. I guess we need to talk about that, you know? One of my questions.

How exactly is Olaf created from Josh Gad’s voice? I guess that’s the actor, by the way. You’re asking about actors, and one of the things they were worried about Frozen when it came out is, like, Tangled had some names in it people recognized. Frozen didn’t really. It had a few Broadway people, but. Yeah, well, it had the same. The same. How do I say her name? Idina Menzel or something? I don’t know how to say. That’s why I didn’t say it first. Yeah, it has the same, like. Like, feminine archetype as Wicked. Like, the two female leads is the same thing.

And then. Yeah, that’s who’s in this one, too. I like that. I actually think that it works well. Although, to me, Elsa clearly is the main character, and Anna just kind of falls by the wayside. She likes, Like. Like Aunt. What Anna’s going through, it’s. It’s kind of like a more mild version of Tangled again, where it’s just like, oh, woe is me. I’m so bored. I’m so rich. I got nothing else to do. But she doesn’t actually do anything in the movie necessarily. She’s kind of like the damsel in distress the entire time, whereas Elsa is the opposite of that.

Elsa’s like the opposite of a damsel in distress when everyone’s telling her she’s stupid for instantly meeting and engaging herself to Hans. Everyone’s like, that’s insane, and that’s stupid. And it turns out that, yes, that’s ins. Sane and stupid. And. And there’s real bad stuff there. Well, there’s a fire and ice alchemy going on between them, too. Like, Elsa is like the ice element. Anna is fire. She’s warmth. She’s earth. Elsa’s more spirit. And on it, like, the fact that she’s attracted to Hans from this, like, southern isle, like that, that still represents this, like, the southern chakras.

Like, the lower the root, the passion, the desire, the, like, the sex chakra. It does seem like Anna fits the archetype to be a Disney princess. There’s even a scene where she runs out into the forest and all the animals kind of just like come to her and like jump up in her arms. And that’s like, typically in a Disney movie that implies magical princess of some kind, that they can commune with nature unlike anyone else. But also in Frozen, it does seem that Kristoff also can commune with nature, and he’s been able to do that since he was a little kid.

So he almost. He also seems like he’s magical, like he’s a magical prince or something. It kind of threw Disney into a bit of a marketing conundrum though, because they got Anna. She’s the princess. No problem, princess. We got Elsa, she’s the queen. Right. But she’s just as popular, if not more popular in Anna. So what do you do if you want to put all of your princesses on a. On a thermos? Now we have a problem. So it’s become this interesting thing where Frozen has been kind of like cordoned off from like the rest of the Disney princesses.

So they can just put on and Elsa on their thermos and sell it to 4 year olds. I mean, I got to be honest, man, with like, up until I actually saw this movie, for some reason I thought Anna and Elsa were like two lesbians or something and this was like a DEI movie. Well, there is the whole thing. I mean, I threw out the X Men thing, but the other idea is, you know, Elsa’s in the closet. She’s the one not having romantic relationships. Right. I mean, she’s in a room for certain. Right. So there is.

I’ve heard that as an interpretation here where, yeah, Elsa’s kind of like closeted, like, like a priestess archetype. If she’s more married to spirit, she takes on like a. A virgin role or a celibacy position. Like, a virgin used to just mean a woman that belonged to herself. I don’t think it had anything to do with sex originally. I like that better too. That’s why, I mean, on my end, I had already gravitated more to the she’s a mutant angle, which, to be fair, the X Men have always kind of run with the. The sort of like, you know, they’re closeted idea too in the X Men 2 movie where it has like, the guy basically has to go and come out to his parents that he’s a mutant.

Right. They kind of indicate too though that Elsa can create life. She doesn’t need. She don’t need no man to create offspring. Right. She can just be like, bam, we got Olaf. Bam. We’ve got Ice Giant. I’m sure that, like, part of that archetype, it’s kind of like she’s an alchemical wizard creating, like, little homunculi of some kind, right? Like, it’s kind of. It’s essentially a golem that she creates when she makes that big Snow Warrior dude. So she doesn’t need a prince and she doesn’t need a king. Like, she can go on and create an entire clan of, like, weird little magical snowmen that died when the sun comes up.

Why did you sharpen your homunculus making skills? I mean, what would you rather have, the 10 little homunculus around the house or your actual kid? I don’t know. Olaf’s weird, isn’t he? Yeah. I mean, Olaf is kind. I mean, of course Olaf is cute, but also disturbing when you think about it, because it’s like, he seems to have experience, even though he’s only been alive for 20 seconds. He has these instilled dreams of summer. And he’s stupid. He’s only been alive for 10 minutes. But why does he even have that much going on? You know, I thought he.

I thought he represented her inner child. That’s how I took Olaf, like, when she was a little kid. That’s when we were first introduced to him, when she invents him when they’re in the plane, in the ballroom, and then he’s still, like, the warm hugs. Like, he’s still the part of her that wants connection and wants to be, but she’s kind of isolated that part off from herself. Like ice and isolation. She’s like, isolated him off, but that’s still a part of her. And same with the monster. That’s a part of her, too. Like, we create monsters that keep other people away, but it’s not like the full.

The. The full scope of who we are. This is a part of us. So are getting real metaphysical. Does that mean that Elsa is basically, like, shaving off little parts of her soul and creating these golem or whatever? Because I think the general take is, oh, Olaf is actually sentient. But the way you’re saying it, Olaf is not sentient. That’s literally like, part of Elsa, just kind of copied or cut off. That’s another part. Did she copy and paste to make Olaf, or did she actually have to, like, give part of her, you know, Harry Potter Voldemort style, split up her soul to do that? In Part two, you see that when.

When Elsa starts to, like, die, so does Olaf not to spoil. Sorry, I didn’t mean to do a spoiler. That’s fine if it’s been out for 10 years. Well, now I don’t have to watch the movie. It is interesting. When Frozen 2 came out, my daughter was now 9 or 10 and she didn’t care about watching that one. So really I just watched it. I hadn’t. I didn’t even know there was a Frozen two. And I’m looking for three is coming out in a year or two. But no, I’m actually looking forward to watching. I just.

I haven’t. So a nine year old girl has aged out of the Frozen franchise? In her case, it seems so. Yeah. I kind of expect. That was one where I expected we were going to watch it. What came out right before that? Zootopia or whatever. And we like Zootopia a lot at the time. So Moana. We watch Moana a lot. Maybe she. Yeah, maybe she’s gotten over Frozen, you know, maybe. Maybe it’s like that’s a. When I was four year old thing. And now that you’re in the, you know, 10 years old in kid terms, that’s like, ooh, I wouldn’t like the thing I liked when I was four.

Right. Did they. Did Frozen 2 come out of movies? Like, to me, I just assumed it was like a straight to video thing that Disney likes to do, but. Oh, no, no. It was a massive theatrical success. I’ll. I’ll do it when we do the episode, of course. But I throw the box office at you right now for that because I’m curious. Oh, okay. I had no idea. I mean, yeah, when they print money like that, if you make like a billion dollars, they’re like, all right, we gotta make another one. Frozen 2 is more successful in Frozen 1.

I guess you adjust for inflation. Maybe not, but yeah, same budget, 151.453 billion. Whereas the first one was 1.2 something. So yeah, actually Frozen 2 looks like it was as successful, if not more successful. Oh, cool. Well, it was good. I liked it. Okay, good. Oh, the review I heard recently again, not having heard the movies was great song, nonsensical plot. So their thought worry is the Frozen three will have like mediocre songs in a plot that makes sense. But I guess that’s the level of consciousness of the person watching it too, right? Yeah, yeah. One person’s gibberish is another person’s masterpiece, you know.

But yeah, we’ll get to it. Actually, that is one of the ones I’m a little. I’M very curious to see because I haven’t seen also 2019. So. Yeah, my daughter is definitely aging out at that point and. Oh, it came out right before COVID Yes. How soon before COVID Actually, yeah. Three months before COVID Okay. Interesting. Wait, Frozen two or Frozen one? Frozen two. Frozen two. Yeah. So it would have been one of the last big Disney movies before they started making absolute garbage. Are we saying they caused Covid? Are we just gonna come out? Yes.

Elsa. Elsa. The, the turning the world to winter didn’t work, so she tried something else. Well, coronavirus was just like a. One of the fam. In the family of the common cold. Right. Yeah. Is that word usable again? There’s Corona beer, right? In my town there’s a Corona bar. Fender guitars are made in Corona, California. Is the, is the word the movie had Coronation too, right? And speaking of the coronation, I don’t, I swear, I swear to you, I don’t like look for just weird morbid things, but the scepter and the ball and the orb that she’s got, they looked like the Pair of Despair.

Have you ever heard of the Pair of the spare. It’s like this old medieval, ancient torture device. But if you, if you put a picture. We’re not going to pull one up, but if you put a picture of the scepter in the orb next to the Pair of Bear, they. It’s like, I don’t know why they designed this thing, because maybe Elsa didn’t know because she’s in a fictional universe and they just gave her this thing. But the Disney animators making her in the 21st century knew that this thing that they were creating looked like the Pair of Despair.

They took multiple field trips. One real easy one to Solvang, California, which is just a Danish style town in la. But they also went out to. What is this? Roros or whatever. Some Norwegian towns. I wonder if someone maybe just found like that in a museum. You know it’s written in Norwegian. They can’t read it. They can’t tell. I wonder if they copied it, not knowing what it was. Apparently it’s called the Pair of Anguish. Although Pair of Despair sounds way cooler. But the Pair of English. Yeah, but I, I, I see that. That’s what I.

That’s how I like to think these things happen. Someone just saw it, didn’t know what it was. That’s cool. Let’s use it. And then now you’re. Wait a minute. This is actually a pretty. This is a medieval torture device. The worst, the worst of the worst of the torture devices. All right, I’ll look up. Yeah, ask your parents, kids, ask your parents about the Pair of Anguish and ask them why it was in the movie Frozen. Yeah. Now look. And of course here. And then there’s several in the parks now, several rides. But I did make my way into Arendelle a few months ago.

It was really hot, though. So it was. It was full summer. They’ve got one at Epcot now too. I forgot what they remade into it. But now there’s a frozen ride. Maelstrom, which was amazing ride, is now Frozen ever After. Tokyo has taken that ride, put it on steroids, basically. Still a boat ride though, ever after in Epcot. The one in Florida. Not Florida, Excuse me. The one in Japan is. I don’t even remember what they called it. Has some long name. You call it the Frozen Ride. Right. The old Epcot one used to be like a Norse Viking, like adventure, where it had an oil rig too.

It ended with a rainy oil rig. I love that ride. I thought it was cool. Yeah, it was. It was a downgrade, what we’ve got now, because now it’s just like a bunch of screaming babies in line instead of what it was before. Like, it’s people that want to see Frozen and then they get disappointed by like kind of this ride that was originally built in the 80s and 90s. Right. So in Japan they have, since it’s brand new, they built the Arendelle Castle and stuff. And yeah, it’s. It’s basically an entire frozen land. And I think China has it too.

So anyway, I did that was. It was like a book report ride with like really high special effect, you know, production values or whatever. That. That’s my review, I guess. But it was weird because a boat ride feels like slightly like un. Non controllable. You know, they’re usually slow, like pirates or It’s a Small World or whatever. And this one, it’s. It’s kind of being controlled, but it’s kind of not. Which was kind of an interesting vibe. Is there one in California, a Frozen ride? I don’t think so. I think it’s Shanghai, Tokyo and Florida at the moment.

Although I. I like the movie Frozen a lot better. And I don’t like Beauty and the Beast that much when we talked about it, but the Beauty and the Beast ride does kind of, for me, blow the frozen one out of the water. So, you know, what you like with the rides and which movies you like are not necessarily the same. Interesting. It’s is Beauty and The Beast better than Frozen. And you say, no, you think Frozen is better than Beauty and the Beast? We’re talking movies. Movies. I’m gonna give it to Frozen. Rides. I’m gonna get rides in Japan.

I should say. I’m gonna give it to Beauty and the Beast. Like hands down, I don’t think there is a ride in Florida for Beauty and the Beast. Yeah, they used to have a restaurant, I think. Yeah. But they, they’ve changed. I haven’t been there in like 20 years. So, you know, I’m sure I wouldn’t recognize that place. I bought a beer from Oaken though, almost literally so. Because they, I, they have the stand or you can buy the beer and then they had the Oak and I mean, I didn’t know, you know, they had someone actually selling it, but they had the walk around guy there.

So I, I just say I bought a beer from Oak. And no sauna though. You cannot do a sauna at Disneysea. That’s the only reason that Club 33 is, was special was just because in California you couldn’t get a beer unless you went to Club 33. But then when they built the Florida park, especially Epcot, and now you don’t even have to be in Club 33 to get drunk in the park. And then when they built all the other international ones, I don’t think they care there either. So Club 33 really was, was the most special to people that were stuck with just the West Coast Disneyland.

See here in this brilliant future, I can ride Pirates of the Caribbean while drinking a beer. Wow, that’s awesome. I just remember the pirates because they were like drinking beer in the ride. Right. You could see it going right through their skeletal. I think they’re drinking rum. I think they’re drinking rum. But a Disney movie problematic animatronic. Johnny Depp’s being like, you know, drink up me lads. I’m like, sure. Because the secret is this is Tokyo again. But there’s a beer stand across the way from Pirates. You buy it, you drink 40% of it. So you don’t, you know, spill some on the drop and then you can ride pirates while drinking a beer.

So we couldn’t. We wouldn’t be able to handle that in the States. Probably not, no. They know they’d end up in the. Also Tokyo gives you the thing where if you’re not there in the middle of summer, you’re probably wearing more wintry clothes. So you have coats and stuff. Where in Florida you usually don’t. This is, this is a High level ride hacking. But yeah, yeah, more. Well, it’ll be a new ongoing series. High level ride hacking. Yeah, yeah. People probably like to hear that. Let’s see. I’m just taking a little bit through my notes. Step, step one, don’t get out of the car in the Roger Rabbit ride.

That’s the. That’s the first big hack. I’ll tell you when I ride that. I do feel the element of danger now because of your Roger Rabbit story, people go back and listen to it elsewhere. Yeah. Yep. Sorry. One more time, huh? That’s fine. Let’s move on. Roger Rabbit had a horrible accident and now I feel a bit of trepidation when I get on it. I still ride it though, because it’s fun. It’s the most horrific Disney death in park history, I believe, on any of the parks. Rabbit ride. When a child got one of the cars and the ride didn’t stop and it just kept moving around the track and it just ground him into like a nub.

But he survived. But he, like, just lived in pain for the next 10 years and then succumbed to all of his injuries from the ride. Oh, my God. Which. Which Disneyland was it? The. The one that was the happiest place on earth. Of course, go to OG California. I don’t think the Tokyo one has had horrific accidents. What do you think about that with the symbolism of a rabbit? What do you think about it with the symbolism of a rabbit? Well, rabbits are like tricksters of the underworld. I switched to the Japanese interpretation, the moon. Like, when I look at it, this is what I see now, because you look and you see the man and the moon.

And since I’ve been living in Japan, it’s just interesting because I got the moon there. We’re thinking underworld. And Japanese folks, when they look at the moon, they see a rabbit making mochi, like rice cakes. Like there’s a rabbit, like mashing something. So that. That is actually the interpretation we see when we look at the moon. Well, I can actually kind of flip my brain now. I can see the man in the moon, or I can see. That’s kind of exciting to look at the moon. The moon relates to the subconscious, right? So that would make sense too, of the underworld.

Because, I mean, that’s what Young considered the underworld was the collective unconscious. Then there’s the idea that, you know, the stars being portals, the moon being a large portal. I always like those ideas. Those are fun to talk about. I think those usually go flatter things, but that’s why it’s fun to talk about it. If you had to ascribe those to frozen, though, Right. Like, Elsa would have to be the moon. She’d have to represent the night because the sunlight would melt all the ice. And then we even see that Anna is like, akin to the summer and that, like, everything about her is like summertime, which would be like sun worship or like, at least solar deities.

Right. So, like, the two of them also seem like they represent moon and sun or. Or night and like dark and light. I guess that works. Oh, go ahead. I guess that works as like Olaf being an extension of Elsa’s soul as well, as opposed to sentient being. Because Olaf likes Anna. He wants to be friends with her, but he loves summer. You know, that’s Anna’s vibe. And the closer he gets, the more he’s gonna melt. Yeah. And that fire and ice alchemy goes all the way. Like, I feel like we had it a lot with Donald Trump, but with his first term, or when he, like when he came on the scene, he was all about like, you’re fired, you’re fired, you’re fired.

And then when he came in his. In his most recent term, he’s like, ice raids. Ice, ice, ice. Yeah. And they both imply, like, an exertion of force and authority. And he’s literally going from fire to ice. That’s funny. Yeah. Or. And like even Game of Thrones, that was huge in the collective conscious. And that was also like a game or. What was it? A song of fire and ice is what they called it. And it had Daenerys with her fire breathing dragon and Jon Snow. Like there was a. There was like an alchemy going on there with the White Walkers and the, like the.

The wall, the ice wall, representing like the known world, like the consciousness against the unconscious, I guess. And I was just thinking the. The collective unconscious is kind of banging its head on a wall with Game of Thrones because so many people got into rr, Martin just stopped writing the book. So it’s like, how does the story end? Nobody knows. You could watch the TV show, which has an end that nobody seems to like. He could write the book and nobody would like it. Just. Yeah, so many people. I have to admit, I don’t really know Game of Thrones.

My dad, I noticed going home, he’s got all seven seasons on Blu Ray, so he’s into it, but it was kind of like one of those things where it just didn’t quite stick the landing in a weird way where it just never happened. The guy never wrote. He didn’t have to even land it. I think that’s the problem. It’s like, like they messed up the landing. But every. Also everyone on the plane was like, we didn’t want to land here. Like no one even wanted to land. And you guys, not only did you land, but you screwed up the landing.

Yeah, because I, I bring it up from time to time. The TV show Lost, I was pretty obsessed with on tv. And the end of that just kind of. It sputtered into a corner and died. But it was clear like the creators were taking it into that corner and, you know, doing a bad job themselves. In that case, where Game of Thrones is interesting for being a real big thing that just, you know, never quite got resolved. I guess Frozen doesn’t need to be resolved so much. This is a pretty self contained movie, right? Even if it does have two soon to be two sequels.

Well, I’m just, I don’t know, like, I just feel like there’s so many ice comps lately and literally like psychology 101, like we associate the subconscious with iceberg, right? Like the, the tip of the iceberg versus like what’s under the surface. Like Fight Club. That was where he would always go to. Was his ice cave. Oh yeah, we call Olaf Tyler Durden if we want. Part of Elsa’s soul thing. I like that. Yeah, I like that. Like a, like a cut where he goes inside his head instead of the Penguin there. It’s Olaf. Yeah, sure. Why not? Yeah.

That actually sounds like one of those more recent spoof movies. They’d probably try that in there. You know, like disaster movie, date movie. That sort of stuff. I was thinking about, like, because after Covid also we had Joe Biden and he was always eating the freaking ice cream, right? Like there was so many videos of Joe Biden eating ice cream that we were like that we were shown during his term and then he. When he resigned on National Ice Cream Day. Is that true? That’s when he dropped out of the race. Was on Ice Cream Day.

He had other things to do. And even with us like everybody having to move to Zoom after, after Covid, everyone had to do all their conference calls and stuff on Zoom and that’s when we got like the Frozen screens where someone would be sitting there and then like we just like glitch out. Right? We’re frozen. Although as much as Zoom has issues, I guess we’re not using Zoom now. But I. Skype was an absolute nightmare. Zoom was always an improvement over Skype. Oh my God. Doing. Trying to do podcasts on Skype’s, like, the worst thing ever.

Yeah, no, I just know what I mean. I didn’t mean particularly zoom. I just meant, like, any video conferencing. Well, now. Now it’s the first time that it’s. It would be normal to hear multiple times per day. You’re frozen, Matt. You’re frozen, Anna. You’re frozen. Yeah, I mean, that’s like 80 of business meetings or, you know, my teacher meetings, because I’m at a different school. I’m on. On my iPad or whatever. And, you know, it’s like, if more than one person is talking, I’m like, I don’t know what’s happening. I do think that also part of the name of this and how common the word frozen is continuing to be, there’s this part of Disney that makes sense that they’re just trying to copyright and trademark and own as many common words and phrases and archetypes as they can.

So just having ownership over the word frozen itself means that they could technically throw their weight around legally if they really wanted to, on anyone that has the word frozen in any of their products. So, like, they. They’re slowly, like, on a long enough timeline. Disney just owns the rights to every word in the entire English language, and you’re not allowed to use any of them without getting some kind of, like, licensing contract with Disney. Huh. They kind of stopped that for a while. Because first, I’m like, to support your theory, Brave came out a year and a half before this.

So that’s a pretty. Cars, planes, like, geez, man, they’re gonna. They’re gonna go for all the monosyllabic words first. Then they don’t do it for several years. I’m sitting here looking the list. Then they. In 2020, they choose Onward, which isn’t. I mean, you can have that one. I don’t need that word now. They’re getting back to it. We’ve got. In the. In the past couple years, we have, you know, wish and soul. Right. So it seems maybe they’re getting back to it. Do you think they’re telling us something about ourselves, though, with these terms like.

Like, planes also represent dimensions. Cars are related to, like, incarnation and karma. Frozen is like, are they telling us something about ourselves? Like, are we frozen? Are we frozen in our emotions? Are we frozen in time? Are we frozen in, like, a place where we have not advanced, like, living in a literal time loop? It feels like it. I think it’s. It’s noble to look at it like that because you can take what they’re actually doing and turn it into, like, an introspective process. But in my mind, I think it’s just because Disney’s, like, if we come out with a movie and toys and Happy Meal, you know, that are all themed after cars.

Now, all these idiots out there, every time they see a car, hear the word car, they’ll think of our movie. And I think at a certain level, it actually works. And if you can own that many simple words that just come up, like when someone’s like, oh, man, like, my screen went frozen. If. If you’re in a big enough audience, at least one person in that audience is going to be like, would you want to make a snowman? Like, they’re hearing, like, the song just because someone said a word. And now if you’ve got that with all these simple words, I think that that seems more Disney’s style is to like, how can I make money off you and your children for the rest of your lives and less about, how can I guide you to enlightenment? Okay.

I guess it’s how you use as a tool, though, right? I mean, you could take many things and use as a tool one way or another. Now you’re getting into the intentions of the. The company itself, which I think Walt might have the enlightenment stuff there. But, like, at the time of Eisner and like Disney Corp, it’s definitely. They just want to extract money. That’s what I’m saying here. It’s like, what is, you know, rule one to get. That’s the thing. It’s not like. I don’t think. It’s so much like we’re trying to destroy your brain as we just want you.

You need to become one of us and keep giving us money. Which, you know, works to a certain degree, doesn’t it? Yes. I was waiting for an answer. You want to pull on any other big, big threads on this one? I got just a couple annoying questions that I usually do. I love annoying questions. How does Elsa make her dress? Is that just like an emotional outburst? She makes dresses. You mean her ice queen dress? Ice queen dress. It literally the same time that she’s creating the castle and she creates Olaf like this. This sentient entity golem homunculus thing.

But she also spontaneously creates a brand new dress. So it almost implies it’s like a weird ability that I don’t think I’ve ever seen someone, like, when they get angry, they unconsciously create a dress for themselves. Well, Bruce Banner gets angry, becomes the Incredible Hawk, doesn’t he? But no, I. I actually did chart that last. I was like, does that mean she’s, like, talking, running around naked at the now? Technically, because she’s just got the. Her ice on now. Right. Cole doesn’t bother. Anyway, there’s another theory that Kristoff is Santa, which is interesting for a couple different reasons, because he’s got the connection to the reindeer that he.

That he’s from the Sami people. And the Sami people, I believe, aren’t the exact same ones that would drink the reindeer pee and, like, trip and hallucinate, but at least it’s adjacent enough. Close enough. They probably got yurts, but then at least admits it’s boogers. He doesn’t say he drinks the reindeer’s pee, though. Well, that would also mean that Elsa turns into Mrs. Claus on a long enough timeline. Or. Or is it Anna? Yeah, anna. Yeah. Becomes Ms. Claus. Well, Santa is also a fire and ice polarity, too, right? Because he’s got, like. He comes in from the North Pole and he’s snowy, but he goes through the fireplace.

He goes to the little yurt chimney. Yeah. He wears red, takes mushrooms. Also, it seems like if you go on the theory that the trolls are the bad guys, that Kristoff is also a bad guy. It’s kind of their minion, isn’t he? He’s like their henchmen in that case. I feel like this is like, such a projective test, like. Like, where our psyches are coming from. He seems perfectly. Like. He seemed like the most grounded, stable character in the whole. See, Okay, I can. I can stand up on this one a little bit, because. Okay, so Kristoff, he has.

What was his deer’s name? Do you remember his little sidekick deer Sven. So Kristoff has Sven, which is like his. His homie, his go to. Right? But Kristoff is wearing Sven’s parents as his clothing. Right? Like, literally, if you look at the Sami people and you look what he’s wearing, he’s wearing reindeer skin as his clothing. And it’s not like reindeer shed. You don’t, like, shave them, like. Like, you know, and turn it into. To, like, a sheep cloth or whatever. But when they actually shows Sven and with Kristoff. Kristoff is wearing Sven’s parents in my mind.

And that’s what makes Sven like him, because he smells his mom on Kristoff, but Kristoff is just wearing her skin. And that, like, everything that he does seems manipulative. The trolls are maybe using him to be this agent of manipulation, but it seems that he’s this catalyst that the trolls are sending off into the human world to, like, catch a human with power so that they can increase their power a little bit. And, like, and what happens is that the. The trolls, we already know from the very beginning of the movie can change human perception. Like, that’s one of their abilities.

They can change human perception, race memories, plant new memories. So it seems that maybe they can energetically charge Kristoff so that when they go back into town that. That troll magic jumps to Hans. And now Han starts acting out of character because the troll magic just made him do that. So that Kristoff becomes the new one. That. I don’t know, it seems very calculating. But that’s what trolls are doing. That’s what trolls do, is they try and steal human intellect. And while Kristoff seems very nice, he does talk to himself a lot under the guise of talking to Sven.

Right. So he might be a little addled up there. I mean, it’s charming in the movie, of course, but if, you know, when you start thinking about a little more and also emotionally connected, grounded character. I. I do question why he’s raised by trolls and wearing the. His best friend’s parents skin as his clothing. What if they died of old age and he was like, here? So that would be kind of. If someone showed up and they were like, I’m wearing your mom, but don’t worry, she died of old age. Are we still cool? I feel like you’d still have a problem with it.

Like, it’s like it made him feel connected to him still after. Missed his mom, maybe. Okay, I can. I can see you. It’s still a little bit weird, though. I don’t know if I’d call it grounded and connected if you were raised by trolls. Kristoff was a very nice young man, and I would. I would approve of their relationship. I don’t trust them. Because, look, at first Anna meets Hans, and everyone’s like, you’ve only known him for a day. How could you get married to this guy after a day? How long did she know Kristoff? She know Kristoff for more than like a day or two or three.

And they get. Yeah, he does the same move. True love is. What was the. What was it? He loved her enough to let her go forever, but he didn’t because they. I mean, I don’t know. I don’t know. I feel like there’s a contention here. I mean, at the core, it’s really, I guess, more of a. A sisterly love story, which and then we’re seeing that again. Like, that’s kind of what w. I mean, Wicked, they’re not sisters, but it’s the same vibe. Right? So that’s a very popular sort of. Yeah, very popular story type right now.

Goddesses of the Moon. I finally watched Wicked on the plane back. Maybe too. It was good. Too many songs for you if you’re not wanting the songs. But otherwise it was pretty good. I don’t know if any of the guys in this movie are good. They all seem bad. Like, it’s not just. I’m not just anti Kristoff. I think I’m anti everybody. Anti Hans, anti Elsa and Anna’s dad, Anti the old guy that literally comes in town because he’s trying to take advantage of everybody. Like, every guy in this movie is either inept or evil or dead.

We’re trying to rip you off. Do you think they were, like, trying to socially engineer, like, a race of Amazon women who don’t need men anymore? And this was like the first. First plantings of their. Of their seeds. They could. I mean, so this is actually would be terrifying if you were like a male alchemist. If you were like a Merlin in the woods and you’re trying to make your homunculus, it’s because you don’t have the ability to create life on your own. You couldn’t do it even if you wanted to. So you have to use these alchemical and magical means.

But if you find out that a woman is out there creating a homunculus when she already has, like, the procreative ability to create life on her own, it’s like she’s like a double threat. Right. Like now all of a sudden, like, there’s a problem that. What do you mean? Someone that can already create life is also creating artificial life before I can do either one of those two things. War of the war of the genders. Without trying in her case. Right. I mean, she has to control it. Right. It’s. It’s kind of out of control. She’ll just keep creating more Olafs if you let her.

Maybe. I don’t know. And I feel like this might be because usually Disney is trying to hold on to the male audience or, like, tap into it somehow. Like, maybe at this point they’re already. Did they own Star wars yet or. Because it feels like through buying it around this time. Yeah, okay. Because. Because it doesn’t seem like anyone was in the. The boardroom and they were like, wait a minute. We need to appeal to the. The male audience by xyz. Like they were obsessed with that with Tangled. Right? That was like kind of Disney’s obsession at the.

Want this to appeal to boys too. Following this. How soon after is it? Right? Yes, one. Okay. The next major animated Disney movie is Big Heroes 6. So that one is like, here’s a robot superhero. So that one is clearly trying to. Made $1.4 billion, didn’t it? I can look that up for you if you want. But yes, it was very successful. It has. I was just trying to make a joke, but because I guess I’ve never seen that one either. I’m going to say 666 to be satanic. Okay. It’s more than I made this year.

Oh, man, AM I savant. 657.8 million. Anyway. Yeah, so very successful. Not Frozen successful. Okay, so Disney found their money printer again right around this time. And how popular is Baymax in the States? Because in the past couple years, Baymax has become like insanely popular. And Japan, I have a student that comes Wednesday night and she’s got a Baymax every week. Baymax bag. She’s got Baymax scrap in her hair. She’s wearing like a Baymax T shirt. You know, it’s kind of cool. Like an ice monster too, right? He’s a robot, but he does have a snowy look to him.

Yeah, he looks like. Yeah. Although that’s his gushy inside. We’ll get to that movie very soon. But he, you know, you put a mech suit on him, then he’s a military robot. Nanotech tech. Nanotech rover or something. We’ll get back to. I’ve only seen Baymax like once. Big Hero 6. Excuse me. They even just caught Baymax here. Because that makes sense. Another. Another annoying question. This is my last of my annoying questions that I think. Does I. Does an iron sword shatter when it hits ice? Not enough of a swordsman. The answer is no if you live in the physical reality with the rest of us.

But in this movie, in Frozen, they show that. They show Hans, like going to hit Elsa, but then Elsa or Anna, and then she freezes. And then the sword, like it shatters into a hundred different pieces. Which means that maybe it’s not ice. Maybe it’s something else. And it just looks like ice roads and steel could just be really thin. Maybe then I guess you wouldn’t have thin swords then. Yeah, maybe. Does this. Does this deal get more brittle when it’s really cold? Okay, now I. Now I’m definitely out of my depth. I don’t Know, is it like the 911 towers? Like.

Like the jet fuel weakened. So in frozen. Like her freezing weakened the steel and that’s why the tower fell. Yeah. So, well, Elsa was spotted there two days prior, so she got an advance call. Yeah, I guess we’ll start winding down. But Anna, do you have any other big points you want to put on this movie? Because you definitely have a few different perspectives that would not have come up with just the two of us talking. So very cool. The only other thing I thought, like, in terms of like, pop culture, because that’s the reason I was so drawn to this movie.

A. Because I personally have like a little bit of an avoidant tendency. So I. I relate to Elsa. I don’t think she’s a villain, but also like this year we had. It started with ice raids and then with that whole Charlie Kirk thing. Do you remember when, like, they supposedly put pictures of the shooter at the Dairy Queen and he had like an Iceman poster or a Superman poster behind him. Do you remember that? He stopped. This is after it happened. He went and got ice cream. Yeah, they said that they supposedly had footage of him at Dairy Queen and he was standing right in front of the Superman poster.

And like, Superman also had eyes. He has his, like, Fortrans of solitude. Solitude. Yeah. So, like, going back to more isolation. And Superman also has avoidant personality tendencies. Like, he doesn’t really allow himself to get close because his powers can kill somebody that he loves. Yeah. So he and Lois Lane have like, a. Like a bit of a frosty, tense relationship at times too. But. Yeah, but then when Cash Patel, like, gave his tribute to Charlie Kirk, remember how he said, I’ll see you in Valhalla? It’s also ridiculous, but I don’t know, I just feel like there has been so many, like, cold frozen ice calms that have been layered through the media in all sorts of different mediums.

But I just. I feel like there’s like a theme here that is asking for a deeper examination. What does it mean? No, I’m curious what your answer that is because I get a very filtered media and a lot of it’s Japanese. So now, I mean, you mentioned the points. Oh, yeah, that was there, there. They don’t get shoved too hard in our direction here. So I’m curious if what. I think Disney planted a literal two and a half billion dollar seed and now Frozen is relevant in almost any discussion you can come up with, because two and a half billion dollars is relevant in any discussion you could come ever come up with.

So I don’t know. I feel like even if Frozen itself wasn’t part of the zeitgeist and didn’t influence it, like it is now because of the force of Disney behind it. So you think it was Frozen that manifested all of this other stuff? Or. Or it’s. It can pay for the ticket to be in the room. I don’t know how else to say that. It’s like, like, like maybe a horrible example, but, like the early boy bands In Orlando, like 96 degrees, there was one called O Town. There was like a few of them. And the guy that ran all these boy bands, his name was Lou Perlman.

And he would just like, list himself in the credits. Even though he didn’t like, play an instrument. He didn’t really produce anything. He just kind of like. Like put the people together. But he would list himself as one of the musicians for like some egotistical reason, whatever. And because he was making it all happen. So, yeah, I’m gonna be a player. And I almost feel like Disney does that. Disney, like, like injects themselves onto the world stage and they’re like, I’m gonna throw two and a half billion dollars behind something that’s relevant in a bunch of different ways.

And now they get to just like, have a seat at the table. Even if you didn’t invite them. Even if, like, Disney isn’t relevant, they can afford to be relevant in any situation. And Frozen’s a good example of that. Again, owning the word, isn’t it? I mean, that. That’s business practice, especially when your business is to appeal to people and get people’s attention through market. Whatever. One of my favorite stories for getting some money is the Star Trek theme. The lyrics of the Star Trek theme were written by Gene Roddenberry. Did you know that the lyrics Star Trek theme song, which you’ve never heard because he wrote them.

They were copyrighted with the song and it’s an instrumental. Right. So he just kept getting checks for the lyrics he wrote that were never used. That’s pretty. Yeah, I mean, you can get the. Nice work if you can get it more fun. Star Trek facts I believe that the Captain James T. Kirk was originally supposed to be Captain Albert pike, which was based on. Is the first Captain pike is actually in the current show Strange New World. It’s Captain Pike. He’s not Albert, though. What is his name? I forget. Captain Pike. Yeah. They don’t call him Albert in the new series, but I.

I’m pretty sure that there were some older versions of like the earlier pilots where they’ve cast Jesus to play him. Jeffrey Hunter. Right. Speaking of, like, things that should have happened, I was really. I don’t. I’m not a huge fan of needle drops, maybe as much as I don’t like musicals, but I was desperately hoping for a Foreigner. Cold as ice. Needle drop somewhere in Frozen. It would have made me, like, appreciate it just a little bit more. If it were DreamWorks, you would have gotten your wish. I guess we’ll start winding this one down today.

I. I actually have to catch a train soon, so. Oh my gosh. What time is it there? It is 11:45 in the morning. I’m wearing a suit, one, to look cool and two, because I’m going to work after this. Going in late today. Is this. Isn’t this late? I’m going a little late today. That’s correct, yes. Because. Yeah, but Anna, you want to tell the. The people what you’re up to for. For the plugins. I don’t. If anyone would like life coaching to help their improve their own personal matrix or identify their archetypes or their subconscious blocks, you can find me at aligned life coaching.info all right, I’ll follow that up too.

With. You should also come and check Anna out on sync tanks when we end up doing them on Sundays or Tuesdays or whatever day we end up doing them on. Yeah, I can be there on Sundays. That’s the. That’s the day I can make it. All right, let’s pop the ball up in your corner of the Hollywood Squares, I guess. Man. What is the new one? I think. I think I plugged Lee’s Demons. I finally got the website up now. So if you go to Lee’s demons.com l e e s demons.com, it’s a 160 plus page graphic novel been working on for, I want to say like seven or eight years now.

Almost as long as Disney had been working on Frozen. And it’s about Lee Harvey Oswald learning how to hunt down demons and steal their hearts to make magic bullets which he must then use to unsuccessfully save the life of the President. That’s all. That’s all I’ll give you. But there’s a 160 pages of it. So there’s lots of like extra cool little nooks and crannies and stories about the CIA and magic and voodoo. So it’s. It’s a really, really fun ride. Oh my God, how cool. Right on my end I’ll just shout web addresses at you.

You can See the one here. I do a lot of media, podcasting, Twilight Zone movies, things like that. @podcastiopodcastius.org and hey, frozen the musical movie. Head for rovingsagemedia.bandcamp.com where I make lots of folk, rock, electronic psychedelic sounds. Have not covered any songs from Frozen, though. You will not find that there. Rocky Horror, yes. Frozen, no. Out Warner, Foreigner for. Oh, I haven’t done any Foreigner. Sorry. Have I tried to do any metal anthems? I, I, you know what? I can’t hit that vocal range. I know my limits. Let it go, let it go. I can croon it.

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