Finding Dory (2016) and using NLP to erase memories

➡ This text is a discussion about various Disney and Pixar movies, with a focus on “Finding Dory”. The speakers discuss the movie’s themes, such as memory loss, and how it compares to other films like “Cars 2” and “The Incredibles”. They also talk about Ellen DeGeneres, who voices Dory, and her impact on the film. The conversation ends with a debate on whether Dory’s separation from her parents fits the typical Disney narrative.
➡ The text discusses the differences between the movies “Finding Nemo” and “Finding Dory”. The author notes that while “Finding Nemo” used technology limitations in a positive way, “Finding Dory” has more vivid backgrounds but the characters look terrifying. The stakes in “Finding Dory” are lower, with characters easily moving around and using any type of transportation. The author also discusses the concept of “anchors”, things that trigger forgotten memories, which are used in “Finding Dory” to help the audience remember the story.
➡ The text discusses the concept of a ‘memory palace’, a method of memory enhancement which uses visualization of physical locations to recall information. It also explores how certain smells or sounds can trigger specific memories, and how this might apply to animals, like fish. The text also delves into the intelligence of different animals, particularly octopuses, and speculates on their potential higher level of consciousness. Lastly, it touches on ethical considerations of consuming intelligent animals.
➡ The text discusses the possibility of communication among sea creatures, comparing it to human language learning. It also talks about the impact of popular movies like Finding Nemo and Finding Dory on the demand for certain fish species as pets. The text further discusses the plot and characters of Finding Dory, including the roles of the voice actors. Lastly, it mentions a dark scene from the movie Ratatouille, where dead rats are displayed in a window.
➡ The text discusses the dark elements in Disney movies, focusing on “Finding Dory”. It highlights a scene where Dory, a fish with memory issues, jumps into a bucket full of dead fish. The text also discusses the movie’s plot, where Dory gets lost and eventually finds her parents by following a path of shells they’ve laid down. The conversation then shifts to real-life aquariums and the harmful effects of pollution on marine life, as well as the mistreatment of animals in touch pools at places like SeaWorld.
➡ The text discusses the concept of residuals in the entertainment industry, using the example of a man who bought the rights to Batman when they were cheap and now earns a lot from every Batman movie and TV show. It also talks about the conditions of various aquariums and touch pools, and the treatment of marine life in them. The text then shifts to discussing memory techniques and how they can be improved, using the character Dory from the movie ‘Finding Nemo’ as an example. Lastly, it discusses how different people have different strengths when it comes to memory, such as remembering schedules or maps, and how changes in familiar environments can disrupt memory.
➡ The text discusses the changes in spatial memory due to reliance on technology like GPS, and the impact of this on navigating familiar places. It also delves into the analysis of the movie ‘Finding Dory’, discussing its animation progress over 13 years, the role of Dory as a side character, and the improbable events in the movie. The text ends with a comparison of the number of dead bodies in different Disney movies.
➡ The text discusses various movies, focusing on the number of deaths depicted in each. It highlights that while some films, like “Black Cauldron” and “Finding Nemo,” don’t show the deaths directly, others like “Dory” and “Victory through Air Power” do. The speaker also mentions their work on a series called “Under the Dock,” which explores conspiracy documentaries. They encourage listeners to support their work by purchasing merchandise from Paranoid American.

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There’s Matt here. Over there it’s paranoid American. You wet. Welcome to the touch pool. Oh, wow. You wet and welcome to a touch pool. Those sentences should not have been spoken together. Well, they are. And now it’s out there. That’s right. Finding Dory today, of course, the sequel to Finding Nemo. I think a second time view for me. How about you? Maybe first time, I think first time view. Yeah. So this is. We’re getting to the time period where I don’t know if we. If my family didn’t watch a lot because of my daughter getting older or because it was the movie, this one, I think Monsters University was a better sequel, but this is better sequel than cars 2.

That’s where it lands for me. I mean, Anything’s Better Cars 2, but. I don’t know. But planes, Fire and Rescue is maybe not better than cars 2. Yeah, but that at least had all that interesting stuff of like, it’s actually made for old people and young people at the same time that like right before you recorded, you said how it actually being bad is better than being mediocre. Right. And that makes it at least makes it so weird to be interesting. Whereas cars too, I barely remember anything except there’s something to talk about. Well, so, so Cars two to me though, it was almost a milestone in Disney’s globalization where they’re like, hey, let’s throw China bone.

Let’s throw Mexico about. Let’s just. Let’s start throwing bones. Someone other than Germany and the. The United States essentially. And they started becoming global. But it also had like CIA, you know, understories that had like MI5, MI6. So they were kind of playing with a lot of more modern espionage political stuff than I think anytime prior to that. So here’s the movie’s not great, but it kind of represents those things. Here’s the thing, other Pixar movies do the same thing better like the Incredibles. And we’ll get to the Incredibles too, pretty soon. Both of those hit on all those themes, like, 10 times better in Cars too.

Whereas Fire and Rescue does seem to be the only movie specifically made for grandpa to take a nap while. While babysitting the kids. Good point. Although I would say that Incredibles is. Is maybe more for a slightly older audience. Like Cars two is to teach your toddler about the CIA, and then Incredibles is to teach, like, your PR preteen about the CIA. Like, they all. They do the same thing, but it’s catering to different audiences. Finding Dory won’t tell you a crap about the CIA, I think, except for maybe, you know, we’re, I don’t know, states of mind or something.

But you know what’s crazy? Like, I’m glad that I took notes in this one because I really. I feel that Finding Dory, maybe unintentionally it is just a big NLP mind trick. Like, you will forget half of the things you see in this movie because it’s about someone that keeps forgetting and everything, and it makes you forget about it. And it’s not a criticism of the movie. I. I feel like it legitimately does that. And there are. This movie teaches NLP anchors to you, even if it doesn’t call them that outright. And if it’s a child watching this, a child understands what an NLP anchor is and what a memory palace is and all sorts of memory devices just by watching this.

Although if you don’t put Inside out, just let us see the memory palaces quite vividly. Well, this one does too. And this one gives us examples of, like, how they’re actually used practically, and I guess it’s a little bit more insinuated in Inside Out. I think this is a perfect movie to kind of follow that because it’s also about brain damage, I assume, at a certain level. And the other big thing going against it, I just gotta say, is that even at the time, I think Ellen might have been on the way down a little bit.

And for Ellen DeGeneres to be the main character of the kids movie, it was. It’s just hard for me to not keep going back to, like, this is an Ellen movie. Like, this is Ellen’s biggest movie. I think it was a couple. I think at this point in time, she had a lot of criticism for being maybe, you know, too woke or something, which, whatever, that’s fine. I think it was a few years later when people were like, she’s a monster at the workplace. Like 2019. Okay. Well now in 2026, watching it, it’s impossible to separate all of the different Ellen baggage on this.

Yeah, Ellen fan prior, she’s been asked, are you going to do a sequel to this? She was like, no. I hard retired in 2024 probably because I don’t know what is her reputation now, is it? Yeah, I don’t even not living in the States, it’s kind of hard for me to keep a pass on the Ellen DeGeneres, you know, Rep. I feel like you’re kind of damned a little bit if you go down that route because it’s either you have to move away from the US Entirely or you can’t really cater to it. You can’t provide entertainment for the country if you are also publicly like saying that you hate it because now you’re just feeding Disney or feeding whatever company is making the money off.

You put yourself in a really hard position when you start taking hard positions. Okay, here’s my Ellen experience. For some reason, I watched her sitcom from the beginning in the 90s. I don’t remember why. Maybe the Entertainment Weekly blurb made me want to watch it, which was called these friends of Mine. See, I watched it from a gang. I know it wasn’t called Ellen at first. And I watched it for a couple of years or whatever. I don’t know who you’re flexing to about that because that was like a weird. Because that just came to mind.

I hadn’t thought about that for 30 years. You know, I was like, hey, so my memory is much better in Dory. So that, let’s see. I, of course, Nemo. Oh, and of course she was in the universe of energy for like 20 years. So that, that’s my experiences with Ellen sitcom. These movies, universe of energy, Ellen energy, adventure. Excuse me. To me, it’s, it’s like the mediocre problem. Ellen’s like, yeah, whatever. It’s fine. I remember my grandma probably watched her when she was ironing or something. Okay. Yeah, I’m not recommending the sitcom, just to be clear.

I’m just telling you as a dumb teenager, for some reason I cannot remember I watched it. So this movie too, I want to get right into the Disney proxy because does this count? Does having short term memory issues and long term, just memory issues in general. Does having brain damage remove the mechanic of the Disney proxy? Like, she’s not really kidnapped. She’s not really, like she’s separated from her parents and she knows that she’s separated, but it’s sort of like, of her own doing. Because she’s an idiot being. Yeah. Being separate, I think is fine. The good dinosaur, we were like, that’s pretty Disney proxy.

And he was. Well, dad dies too, but he was separated. Right. So I think that counts. The weird difference here is usually when the Disney proxy engages, the character is quickly, you know, quickly meets the cute proxy. Right. And Dory’s case, it takes I don’t know how long fish. It takes a while. She clearly goes through fish puberty before she runs into Marlin. And in the first movie. Right? Yeah. I guess cute fish are too hard words. Marlin is her proxy, isn’t he? But she’s already a grown fish by that point. Grown ass fish, I guess.

Although she still is trying to find her parents for the entire time, which also. It would make less sense if Finding Nemo turned into Marlin. Trying to find like the 34 year old Nemo, he’s like, I haven’t seen my kid in 30 years. I’m trying to find them. Yeah, that doesn’t work so well. Whatever that is. It’s just a different story. It’s. It’s like a. That one’s a story of reuniting. And I guess finding Dory is more of reuniting than it is finding your child that just went missing. Because they. She does age a little bit too much.

But I. And I guess they kind of have to do that just because if this is the plot that they’re going with, then they can’t really have it be a younger Dory. Because unlike people, when they do like the age regression and stuff, when you do it to an animated fish, it just doesn’t look like the same character as the previous movie. I will say, you know, technically, most things have from the original Finding Nemo. I mean, we noticed the original Finding Nemo is almost like those PlayStation games with the. You know, like Superman with Nintendo 64 with just the endless.

That’s a horrible analogy. No, no. Everything in the front was good. But because of technology and money at the time, most of the background generally water. Right. So that’s the hay. So. No, it definitely is better in Superman 64. I’m just saying, like. Like Superman 64 used the limitations of technology in the worst way possible. Finding Nemo used them in the best way possible. Obviously this movie has way more vivid backgrounds and things, but Marlin and Nemo look terrifying in this movie. They look like AI nightmares. Well, yeah. And we don’t really get too much of them for a good portion of it.

At least they come in towards the end. And the, the story is definitely not as high impact and high risk as the original Finding Nemo because again, and maybe that is because Finding Nemo starts out with Nemo’s mom and what like 3000 or like 300 of his brothers and sisters all being decimated. And that’s kind of the ultimate sacrificial like ritual to, to get the story kicked off and give it some high stakes. And this one, again, it’s just a dumb kid got lost and now the dumb kid’s trying to find their way back to their parents.

But they’re so dumb that they can’t even focus long enough to explain what their issue is to everyone else to come. And apologies to anyone out there that has short term memory. I’m not trying to say that you’re dumb, but you’ll forget that I even said that in like 10 seconds. So it doesn’t even matter, does it? Yeah, my daughter report because I get home Thursday night and she’s usually still up and I’ll just ask her about what we’re doing the next day. So I was like finding Dory. She’s like, she forgot. Ironically, she forgot that this movie even existed.

I’m not kidding when I say that you will forget this because it’s about forgetting. I kind of remembered a lot about this movie. I forgot about the beluga whale and the other whale, hammerhead or whatever. I remember the octopus quite well. I remembered all the aquarium stuff quite quite well. There were actually were a few things I, I sort of remembered about this movie. And, and I wanted to address the high stakes thing. The vibe, the vibe of the first movie is much higher stakes. The events are much higher. Stake in this one most defining Nemo is Marlin trying to make his way, you know, to Australia to, to get Nemo back.

This one, they’re just like, hey, we’re going to California. There’s crush. Now we’re in California. That was a lot easier than the first movie. And maybe a longer distance, I don’t know. And then the first movie, Nemo stuck in a tank. There’s a lot of things about getting out of the tank. It’s really difficult here. They’re like moving around the aquarium, they’re getting into trucks, they’re you know, causing like human carnage and stuff. Right? That’s higher stakes stuff. The final sequence of this movie, very enjoyable. But the second you start thinking about, you’re like, wow, one in a million there.

That’s, that’s getting Hit by a meteor. You know, that’s the chance of all this working out. That’s a great point. Because the. The whole premise of the. The latter half of Finding Nemo was in the dentist office. They’re just like, yep, well, we’re here. Like, we’re stuck here forever. This is where we’re gonna, you know, live and die. And hopefully he doesn’t give you to his daughter because then you’re really gonna die. And it shows. Like, the dead fish and the water that they needed to get into was a hundred feet away. Right. It wasn’t even that far away.

And it was. Everyone had just, you know, sealed their own fates by saying they’re never going to get out of there in this movie. Yeah, it’s like, oh, yeah, you just jump in a truck and then the truck will drive you 20 miles and you jump in this lake and you can hang out in there and go onto a tree. And like, mobility is not a problem in finding dory. They can go any distance in any short amount of time. They can use any type of transportation. So I, And I kind of think that it makes it more interesting.

But the stakes continuously go down because if I feel like, oh, no worry, they can just. They’ll call an Uber at some point and get themselves out of this jam. Physical space, go up. The dramatic stakes do go way down when. And that’s how you watch a movie, isn’t it? If the dramatic states, I will have to give my report. So what I do, I get home at about 10:30. I asked my daughter. She didn’t remember the movie existed. I think we only watched it once, possibly twice. But it was that age where, you know, she’s.

She’s getting old enough where the kid doesn’t want to watch a movie over and over. Want to see something else. Right. So it’s not necessarily the movie’s case, but yeah, I put it on, started about 11, and apparently I ate my dinner and then just passed out and woke up at one in the morning and then had to finish the movie like real late at night. So, well, I took an hour and a half nap. Oops. I think that the parts that you do remember, they’re important because. And again, this is just like a coincidence, but in nlp, they’re called anchors.

So there’s like already a nautical theme going on, but that the anchor is essentially something that triggers a memory that you thought you had completely forgot, you haven’t thought about in 30 years. And all of a sudden a phrase or a statement or an image or. Usually for us, I think olfactory is supposed to be the one that triggers memories easier than anything else. But you might hear, like, an old song you haven’t heard in 30 years or. And all of these will be an anchor to, like, a locked memory. And we can actually see this visually, I think it’s done in a pretty good way, where Dory is swimming around, and then all of a sudden, it’ll kind of, like, do a flashback to the exact same location with the same layout and everything, like the same little sunken treasure.

And then it’ll show her as a baby, and then it’ll show her back as, you know, modern. And it’s like, oh, my God, I remember being here. And I know it’s not, like, clever. They’re not, like, doing some sort of huge reveal or, like a philosophical breakdown, but it’s showing a kid watching this. Here’s what a visual anchor is. A visual anchor is when you see something familiar, and then it triggers a memory from when you’re like a baby. Like right now, talking to the kid that’s watching finding Dory for the first time. Like, it’s filled with all these different anchors in it.

Like, Dory herself is an anchor. I guess the Disney proxy is an anchor, right? Like that very first ip, the first cuddly Q ip. That’s. That. That is the biggest anchor of all time. And this one, it’s almost breaking the wall a little bit. Well, also, yeah, my real life experience is anchored a bit too. In 2003, I was traveling down the coast of California. We went to Morrow Bay. That’s supposed to be the location of the aquarium in this movie. We went to a little museum which I think did have fish, which was nothing like the aquarium in this because the actual aquarium is based after one of Monterey Bay.

Monterey Bay. Say that a little more weird. Less weird. But anyway, I’m like, oh, yeah, Morro Bay. I’ve been there. You know, I saw fish there. That. That helps as an anchor. It’s like how the Mission Impossible movie I remember the best is Rogue Nation. Because they. They go to Vienna and go to the opera house. I’ve been to Vienna, been to the opera House. They go to Morocco. I’m like, hey, I’ve been to Morocco. And I think there’s one other location there. And it’s like, oh, yeah, that’s the one that goes to places. I’ve been to the Vienna part.

I’m like, I watched an opera in that opera house. So that was a major anchor. I Can remember that part of the movie extremely well. Okay, well, and this is a perfect segue because if you take a whole bunch of different anchors, especially if it’s location based, right. You mentioned all these different buildings that you’ve traveled to. And, like, you recognize certain, like, the actual elements of it. When you put that together in, like, a physical location in your mind, a whole bunch of these different anchors turn into a memory palace. And like, a memory palace is just basically like 100 memory anchors all kind of stitched together.

But that it plays. The long story short of this, hopefully, is that it plays on our primal survival instincts of being able to remember either where you saw a bear that tried to kill you or where you saw food or a source of water. Like, there’s something deep inside our brains that even if you can’t articulate it well enough, something is recording. This is where this thing was, and it’s. And you need to remember this forever, maybe. And that once you have, like, a spatial awareness of it, then you can recall it easier. And then when you go to those locations, it triggers these memories.

All this is, like, human survivalist thing. But when you do this memory palace concept, you go. And that the traditional way is that these ancients would travel all over the world and they would go to these, you know, huge monuments and go to these huge buildings, and they would store memories inside them so that, like, you could revisit, say, like a Vienna Opera House. If you mentally go there and imagine you’re standing outside the front, you can store memory there. And then imagine you’re going into wherever, you know, the foyer, whatever it is, you store memory there.

In each one of those locations is an NLP anchor. And if you take all those anchors in this movie and stitch them together like this, this entire. The mli, the Marine Life Institute, and the. The aquarium they go to, like, those are memory palaces for all these fish. And Dory is living that out. Where she gets to one location and it unlocks the memory of the next location. That’s literally how a real memory palace works. Yeah, my. My. I guess my biggest memory palace, which is accidental, is when I was a teenager. Somehow my friend had got a bunch of dirt in his car, and he cleaned it out, but the car still smelled like dirt.

And I got in his car, and he was playing the Smashing Pumpkins Gish from the beginning. So every time I hear the album Gish, I smell dirt. Especially the first couple tracks on the album. Even better. Did when you smell dirt, do you hear Gish? No, no, It’s. It’s only the one way I have to hear Gish to smell the dirt. If I smell real dirt, it doesn’t send me to Gish. So the other. Oh, maybe that’s just because dirt is. You come across dirt more often. You come across Gish. That might be it. Right? The other.

The other big. When I was saying, like, the olfactory and the smell, the other big example is, like, you get a whiff of perfume that you haven’t smelt since, you know, the 80s or whatever, and there was only one person that ever wore it. It’ll bring you back to like, oh, my God, that reminds me of this person I haven’t thought about in a very long time because it’s the only anchor tying to that one person. But it’s such a strong anchor and sensors so specific. And I. And I guess the fish smell. Yeah, fish smell.

Ever been to a fish market? You know what I mean, though? Like, dude, themselves smell. Can they smell? Oh, do they have or. Or whatever their version of it, like in the daredevil way. Right. Like, if you’re missing sight, now all of a sudden you’ve got sonar. So, like, if a fish is missing its actual sense of smell, does it have some other type of sensory memory connection? Because the reason the olfactory, I believe, is because it. The scent bypasses part of our, like, frontal lobe or like. Or neocortex or something. It bypasses a lot of the logic and filtering that goes on with memory recall, and it just connects directly to memories.

Whereas sight and vision and reading and hearing something that all does go through, like, filters. Well, I mean, it’s like animals that move in flocks. That’s got to be some sense we don’t understand. When a. When a bird flock moves together, they’re obviously sensing something that we’re just like, wow, that’s crazy. They’re all moving together, you know, or fish, same thing. I don’t know. I mean, if you’ve been in Disney enough times, you see people just, like, get into a line and then they realize that they were just like, behind like a large family or like a large, you know, school of, like, Brazilian soccer players or something.

Does that kind of prove the thing, though? Because we’re not moving like a flock. We get stuck behind the family. Our version of a flock. We don’t have to go anywhere. Right, Right. But these are flocks of. Of use of practical movement, you know, this way the birds are not hitting each other in the sky, but the real close. I mean, you Know, when you think about, it’s crazy, you know, they’re sensing electro magnetic things that we don’t or something. You know, that’s the other thing too. I think in the first one, they have a school of fish.

I think it was the first movie. And they kind of explain like the school of fish, that the individual fish are almost non sentient, but that the school itself is like the superorganism. That’s, that’s kind of how fish would normally work in some ways. Maybe not. Like, like what do they call them? Betas? Well, it is weird how in this world there’s some fish seem to be more sentient than others. I mean, hey, that way Dory’s, you know, kind of middle of the road, isn’t she? Because she can have a conversation with you at least. Okay.

I mean, it’s gonna go in a circle. But there’s some fish that seem fully feral. You know, I feel like this is a decent tangent to go on because it’s, it’s related to the fish world. But do you ever come across like different dogs where some dogs seem like, like they’re smart, like they’re there, they’re understanding things, like they just have a higher level of consciousness, awareness. And then there’s just like a dog, like a Disney dog, like the one that doesn’t talk to people. Just the one that just is a dog. Right. And it’s great at being a dog, but it’s not 101 Dalmatian dog.

I feel like it’s a little dogs or you know, they’re, they’re little dogs so they’re barking at you more. Whereas the big dog’s chilling, is content to just stare at you, I guess. But even, even between big and small dogs, some of them have like a, like a sentient behind them, like an intelligence behind them, some sort of personality. And. And then there’s some dogs that’s like it’s just being a dog. I don’t know how else to, to describe this. Like, it’s just a dumb dog. Yeah. Like I, I wrote a note in here that the fish in captivity seemed like a little bit dumber than the fish in the ocean.

It wouldn’t, Wouldn’t that be like survivorship bias or whatever? Like maybe. Yeah, but it’s just. Yeah. And then the squid, when we have that squid, it’s attacking, it’s fully feral. Right. So. Well, octopus. Right. Later. No, the octopus is intelligent. That’s got the voice of, of that o’ Brien or. Oh, you’re right. Yeah, earlier on that is. Yeah. Dumber. Almost like non sentient. Al Bundy is, is our smart octopus who is, I mean the octopus are supposed to be pretty smart, aren’t they? Oh, I don’t want to. Absolutely. You know, I think that out of all the.

What is it like dolphin and pigs and octopus Octopi I think are like of some of the highest intelligence. And when, whenever someone gets on like a vegan tangent, whatever, I can sort of concede when they start talking about the intelligence of certain animals like you shouldn’t eat pigs because they could be like incredibly intel like like a three to like a five or seven year old or something. I feel the same way about octopus man octopi that they, they are smart enough that if you think about it long enough it’s almost like a tragedy that we eat them and in such high amounts of them and, and it’s truly like the, the sentience is not necessarily something that we even take into consideration in terms of like what we’re willing to farm and kill and eat.

I like this. You know, we like to talk about somewhat whack theories, don’t we? But the idea that the, the octopus may, may be the alien species living on our planet just because they’re so different from everything else except maybe a squid, you know, I get, I mean I feel similar to, to dolphins too. Even though I, I guess you can anthropomorphize a dolphin easier than you can with an octopus. And they are, I mean, you know, suppose they’re supposed to be basically mammals, right. So they are kind of like actually related to us. When octopus is like like on the, the.

If you’re going with evolution, the tree of evolution, then the octopus is like the bush over there, you know. Yeah. Who’s on the right path? Right. If even though we’re the ones eating octopi, maybe they’re actually pulling ahead of us. We wouldn’t really have no idea. Yeah. The octopus pit at the, in the depths of the Pacific, man. That’s a wild place. They’re having Zion parties like in the Matrix. I don’t know, man. I mean dolphins might be onto something too because. Because who knows if sea creatures can communicate with each other. Because I almost feel that we convince ourselves that we can communicate with animals.

Like you can teach dog tricks, right? And there’s like a communication. You can kind interpret their behavior and then you can extrapolate that to all sorts of animals. The people work with animal trainers and stuff. That’s also a very slow process. Of you teaching them. Here’s like, what I mean when I say. And then you observing them and picking up on the different patterns. But it almost seems that. That, like, dolphins can just talk to each other inherently without having to learn an entire language the way that humans do. And I wonder if that continues throughout the fish world, like, if Finding Nemo and Finding Dory does have some weird truth to it that, like, an octopus can talk to a fish.

You know what I mean? Easier than a human can talk to a fish or a human can talk to an octopus. And living in a country where the language is not my first for years, it is like I can understand a lot more than I can speak. I mean, just thinking about how some of the fish can’t really communicate well. I mean, some of them seem to understand and can’t really respond, which with Japanese can often be the case with me, because when I can recognize the words, but when I need to sit there and actually put them together and say them, it’s.

It’s somewhat more difficult, you know, But. But I mean, you wouldn’t be able to go into, like, a tank full of fish and do that. No, no, no. But if they have some fish talk going on, you know, they might have some fishies. Speaking of fish, by the way, not controversy concerned with this movie. They were like, well, if we focus on Dory, Dory is a royal blue tang. After Nemo came out, everybody wanted a clownfish, so the concern was everybody would want a royal blue tang now, but they cannot. Apparently, they cannot be bred in captivity, so you have to go into tropical waters and kind of capture them.

So fortunately, after a movie came out, turned out there was just a lot more Internet searches on them and not so many purchases. Yeah, I don’t. I don’t know if Ellen and Dory are moving the needle on this particular type of fish. This was a very successful movie, by the way. I don’t doubt that. I don’t doubt that. But I also feel that it is riding on the wave and the coattails of Finding Nemo because you go of Finding Dory, it’s. It’s literally the same title. You just swapped out one name for the other, and you get to kind of ride that crest.

And I think they. It’s not like they squandered or anything. I’m sure they did well with it, and I don’t think that they could have done a better job with finding Dory. I just don’t know if Dory was the one that needed to have her own movie. But she was really the only sidekick. Like she. If anything, Finding Dory is proof that the Disney Proxy works. Right. Like she is the sidekick we haven’t talked about for a while and this may be the last time. But this was one of the Circle 7 films being developed around 2005, 2006 and Circle 7 was going to make the non Pixar Disney Pixar sequels.

If people don’t remember, that’s when the. The. The bad blood corporately was going down and Disney was like, will we still have rights to Toy Story? Nemo Monsters get the sequels cranking and after Laster takes over, of course, all those get thrown in the garbage. I’m trying to find here is if I want to find a says they actually used some elements from that original script. Though they did look at it, which they did not do with the Toy Story one at all. I feel like there was probably more creatives and executives that thought themselves creatives with more investment in Toy Story than you ever would have in Finding Dory.

Yeah, Finding Game is a very good self contained story. Right. This does have a little bit of trouble. Some other ideas they were looking at. Let’s see. The introduction of Nemo’s long lost twin brother, Remy. Don’t need that. A storyline where Marlin is caught and must be saved. Well, that’s. That’s the lazy sequel making of opposite movie. Right. I love the idea that Nemo reunites with his long lost twin brother because it’s like you can remake that movie 300 more times just for every single one of the siblings that you think none of them died at the end of the final one.

No one died. There was no Disney Proxy to start with. Okay, well that wasn’t really the proxy in Nemo anyway. Well, it is if you consider Marlin the main character, I suppose. I think it kind of is. I think that the. The Disney proxy was showing how fleeting life is and that if one fish dies all of a sudden it’s a tragedy. Right. But if 299 fish die, it’s not as bad as if that one fish dies. We might have said in the podcast it’s been what, while since we recorded. But I think. I think that we might have said that was a double Disney proxy because Marlin loses his family.

He gets the one cute kid as his proxy, which is still family. But situation Nemo gets separated and meets the the Tank crew and. Yeah. So second proxy. I feel like in retrospect there’s also like a biblical overlay. You can Put on Finding Nemo because marlin is sort of like job. Right? Where it’s like God’s just like, I’m just going to throw everything I got at you and see how you deal with it. That kind of is what happens to him to a certain extent. By the way, did you get to. Speaking of the tank crew, did you get to the post credit sequence of this movie? Maybe, but I probably forgot it.

It shows the tank fish from the first movie coming up in the bay of the aquarium in California. Like they’ve been floating along for a year. I didn’t see that. And most of the bags are now they’re still in their bags. I don’t know how they lived in there for a year, but they’re all like dirty with algae and stuff. Except for the shrimp who eats algae and his bag is clean. Okay, I like that. No, I missed. Completely missed that Easter egg. Yeah. Honestly, the post credit secret might have been the best part of the movie.

I. I did enjoy Al Bundy octopus time as well. Again, the memory anchor that made me remember this movie somewhat. I didn’t even realize it was Al Bundy until you just said it. Yeah, you intentionally don’t look at the cast list ahead of time. Right. So I can sic them on you and see how many. Of course, with Albert Brooks back as Marlon, blah blah. Anyone else? Diane Keaton and Eugene Levy were Dory’s parents. Oh yeah. Speaking of, do you remember while you’re freaking looking at. I was gonna ask you, but now I. Now it’s ruined.

It was like, do you even remember what her parents names were? Oh, I am looking at them. I. I remember their names as Diane Keaton and Eugene Levy. Okay, well, it was Jenny and Charlie, which are just like the worst fish names ever, but also Charlie the fish that like, you don’t really care about her parents at all in this movie or. Sorry, I don’t mean to project on you. I’m thinking of me. But like I didn’t moment think of like oh man, I really wish we could get reunited with her parents. Her parents are probably so cool.

They’re probably so interesting. I did because I love Eugene Levy from SCTV and other stuff and. And Diane Keaton was a movie star. Crush your mind. When I wanted a dorky, awkward girl. Okay, that was so good that it conveyed itself onto Jenny and Charlie. No, I was just like, hey, that’s also. Diane Keaton died recently. That’s depressing. But yeah, so that, that, that’s the only reason I had. It was the actors that made me have any connection to those parents. Otherwise, I might be like, were parents in the film at all. Okay, so here’s a really dark part of this movie, and I think that some of the darker.

The darkest scene in a Disney movie that I can think of prior to Finding Dory is probably in the. What’s the freaking Mouse Chef 1. Ratatouille. Ratatouille. The darkest Disney scene in any movie before Finding Dory is probably from Ratatouille. When he goes up on that street and the lightning strikes and he looks in the big window, and it’s just got dead rats all in the window. Like, this is the product that we sell in this town. We kill you. That’s. That’s our product. I thought you were going to say when all the rats dragged the health guy into a closet.

No, I mean, that’s. That’s silly and funny, but that’s only one guy dying. That. That was like a bunch of rats. And that’s from the perspective of a rat. Right? So you’re seeing all these rats, and so that I felt was like one of the darkest Disney scenes in any movie until Finding Dory. Because in Finding Dory, Dory jumps into, like, a chum bucket. But it’s just a. It’s probably a hundred dead fish in here. I’m probably undercounting that there’s probably like two or three hundred dead fish in this bucket. And I just can’t think. This is like a saw scene, right? This is something straight out of the saw.

Or like a hostel movie where you would put a fish, a mentally challenged fish that’s trying to find her parents just inside of a bucket full of hundreds and hundreds of other dead fish. That’s. And then. Is that right when they get dumped into the tire? The. No, that’s not the touch. Touch pool. You wouldn’t. The touch pool is even worse than that. But I’m saving that for a different tangent. Okay. Yeah, yeah. Well, what else did I recently. Oh, it was a Twilight Zone where it was like, here. Get to get out of this ice sort of containment place.

It’s like, get into this gurney of a bunch of dead bodies, and I’ll take you out. So. But that’s a Twilight Zone. It’s the. Of course it gets dark. Oh, well, let me do my. My quick recap summary thing. This will be a really short one. But Dory is. Has memory issues as a child. Her parents know she’s got memory issues as a child. They still let her go off on her own. Anyway, she gets sucked up by an undercurrent. And then she basically like slowly ages throughout like the first quarter of the movie. And then the rest of the movie is just her trying to find her parents again.

And she ends up going to like a big aquarium. She goes to like a marine life institute science place. Eventually reunites with her parents because they put down all these different shells. And this was one of those anchors. She starts seeing these paths of shells. And then she remembered when she was a child, her parents were like, hey, if you ever see this path of shells, follow it. So at a certain point, she finds one of these paths, she follows it. Her parents are there. And the big reveal is that ever since she’s been missing, which I don’t know, I mean, how quickly do fish age, right? I don’t know if it’s like 10 years has gone by, maybe like a year, two years.

But like in the course of that time, they’ve just been putting shells down the entire time, hoping that at one point she’d find one and find her way back. And she kind of does the end. That’s sort of the entire movie. These fish reach sexual maturity at 9 to 12 months of age. Okay, so this could just be a year. Really? Not even. Yeah, this could, this could have been like seven months. Yeah, I’m trying to. It doesn’t say how long they actually live where I’m looking. But with the Pacific regal blue tang. Yeah. Anyway, that, I mean that I assume if they’re reaching sexual maturity at 9 to 12 months of age, I’m gonna guess they live about three years.

If they don’t, you know, get caught by shenanigans, which tends to happen with fish. I mean, even Dory, it has all the whole like environment, environmental education, like don’t throw the six pack plastic into the ocean. Fish will get stuck in it. And then Dory gets stuck in it for a while and then nothing really of consequence happens there. You just see the image even worse. I mean, I wonder what kind of chemical runoff is in that water that Nemo jumped into. Like right outside. Like the Australian highway originally. And all of you know, like these fish, if you’re out in the middle of the ocean, I feel like, yeah, it’s probably.

Oh, this is great. Nice. You know, water as soon as you start. What about all that plastic floating on top? We had the big Pacific plastic island, right? Well, any, any of these, these fish that are around like the outside of the aquariums, they’re. They’re literally jumping out of a truck, off a bridge, into the water, next to the road, all the runoff when it rains. And that’s probably like the most toxic place that any fish kind of lives. So these are like the. The least healthy fish that you could probably see. That’s why they’re a little dumber, I guess.

Are you an aquarium guy? Ever to aquariums when I was growing up, yeah, I liked it. I’ve been in a fair amount recently. There’s some nice smaller ones in Japan. We went to the Atlanta one, which cost way too much money. That was one of my biggest culture shock things because just, you know, like, general food, like, didn’t seem to be that much more expensive. But we went to the aquarium. I was like, oh, yeah, It’ll be like 30 bucks. Like 60. What? That’s insane. I paid more to go to the aquarium, Atlanta Aquarium, than I do to go Disneyland in Tokyo.

Let’s not lose sight of what’s going on here. I’m. I’m standing around looking at fish like, you can’t price yourselves into this range. So in Orlando, I’m sure they have an aquarium somewhere. But I mean, it’s SeaWorld, right? Like SeaWorld Place 3 takes place. So I’ve gone. The last time I went to SeaWorld was probably a while ago when we adopted a dog. It came with like free SeaWorld tickets. Man, it was probably like 10, 15 years ago. We gotta find a dog sitter. But it was one of the most depressing experiences of my entire life was going to SeaWorld A.

I’ll get to the animals in a second. But like the rides were half working and shut down. One of the rides had like a speaker that was like losing connection from, I guess, you know, just from getting corroded or something. And it had like this nasty drive through atm, sort of like, like, like the, the dilapidated McDonald’s on the edge of town where you can’t really hear what they’re saying. Like, that was this speaker system throughout the entire park for that entire day. There’s a bunch of stuff shut down, but, man, we got to this little stingray cove or whatever they call it.

It’s. It is a touch pool. And it was one of the saddest things I’ve ever seen in my life because there’s just probably like 30, 40 or more of these little stingrays just swimming around in this tiny little circle. And they’ve all got just gashes on their back from, I just assume, being manhandled by kids. And whoever’s got rings on their fingers and stuff. And you would just literally see a little kid, unsupervised kid, just run up to this pool and just, like, smash the backs of these stingrays and then, like, run off and go somewhere else.

And they have a scene on in this movie that’s part of this touch pool where there’s, like, sea slugs and you just see these little toddler hands reach in and, like, grab one of these sea slugs and squish it and, like, goo comes out of it and. And they’re all terrified. Right. This is legitimately something that happens at SeaWorld and anywhere that has these, like, touch pools. And I don’t know, it was. It was almost just like watching someone slowly torture an animal in front of you and laugh about it. But the kids. But they’re like, five.

There’s a movie about that, right? The. The documentary, the Blackfish 2013, if you remember, with that. Well, yeah, but blackfish is. Is more about. That’s an orca. But yeah, it’s the orca. And it’s just that, like, the captivity of having these huge animals. But I’m like, the touch pool aspect is a very particular part of hell. There are so many ways that, like, I would be a much better person overall if I knew that actual hell was that you go into the little stingray pool at a SeaWorld somewhere if you didn’t live a good life. Or maybe I guess it’s that whole thing about, like, how cute is the animal? You want to save the cow, but nobody cares about that snake.

You want to save the orca, but the sea slug, who cares? Yeah. Poor, poor sea slug. Yeah. If you’re. If you’re an ugly in the animal world, it’s even worse than in the human world. Like, you can still have rights and laws applied to you. If you’re ugly in the human world. If you’re ugly in the animal world, like, there’s literally no one on your side. Oh, just looking through. I’m changing a topic a little bit here. But they had to get a new voice actor, of course, for Nemo. Right. Because the kid had aged out.

But they did put in the original Nemo as a delivery truck driver, so that’s. I guess they threw him a bone. Do you think you’re too old? Have a bone residuals from this movie, too? I guess if he gets lines. He does. He’s in it. Oh, residuals are crazy. You’ve heard the. The. The Batman story about residuals in the 70s and 80s. There’s a guy, I don’t remember his name, but he’s really pushing to get Batman made when everyone’s like, you cannot make a superhero movie. And he. He bought the rights when they were dirt cheap.

And every single Batman movie and TV show still has him listed as a producer. And he does nothing and just gets insane amounts of money from all these things. That’s the American dream right there. Yeah. So if. Is that Alexander Gould? If he. If his Nemo residuals are rocking, good for him. You know, he’s. Yeah. But he might end up in the touch pool in the next life. So be careful. Be careful. Yeah. Just spend your money wisely. And. And, yeah. Do not. I also like that there’s an even worse part. This is like a even deeper level of hell inside pool that they call Poker’s Cove.

And Poker’s Cove is where you get basically poked to death. And that. That was the anchor for me. I was like, damn, I think I’ve seen a Poker’s Cove. It was that freaking stingray exhibit at SeaWorld. Yeah, that one didn’t. When I go to the aquariums, I don’t go the touch pools. I might walk around them, but I don’t really want to stick my hands in the water and stuff, you know, So I. I don’t have too much experience with them. Well, and. And I have. Just for the record, I have been to nicer aquariums with touch pools that don’t operate like that.

In fact, Disney, I believe, has a touch pool in one of the exhibit. It might be by the Fighting Nemo exhibit somewhere in there, but it is not to the level of that. Like, this is the Sea World in Orlando. If you haven’t been there anytime recently. But it is like one of the more neglected parks that’s still open. Like, if. If it was even more neglected than it is now, it will probably just shut down. I’m actually surprised that it’s even operating again. I think partly because of blackfish. I think blackfish did a huge, huge blow to that, and it hasn’t really ever recovered since.

The Atlantaquarium is pretty well kept. It opened in like, I don’t know, 2005 or something. So it’s not super old. The touch pulls. I do feel like when I was there a few months ago, and I felt like they are pretty much dory style. So if I am going to take a bit more of a dump on them other than being overpriced. But I didn’t go experience your touch pools. Where we go Niigata we went to a jotsu. Sorry, I’m just shouting out Japanese names. A real nice aquarium there. So that. Then again, then, you know, are they.

How are the fish actually being treated? You don’t really know as a patron, do you? So this one didn’t really hit as many, like, occult notes for, like, the storylines. Right. Like, I’m sure that we could look up all the different motifs that are on the UTD index and whatnot, but I really do feel that this one is really more of an example of the Disney proxy working. The Disney proxy works so well that you can take Ellen DeGeneres sidekick and give her own movie and be incredibly wildly financially successful with a movie that even its biggest fans won’t even remember if you ask them about it years later.

I mean, I would still say Brave is the exception that proves the rule, but Pixar in general doesn’t seem to be overly accadish. Even Coco, which we did, isn’t. It’s more bureaucratic than a cod, you know? Well, I would. I guess I’d make the strong argument that as soon as Walt dies, occultism drops off a ledge, and then as soon as the Renaissance is over, it’s pretty much gone. Like, once the. Yeah, because the Renaissance still has a bit in there. I don’t know. You still have the influence of the wise old men, right? Like, so you still.

You had some sort of, like, an epigenetic continuation. Like, you still had Walt Disney OG DNA make it up through the Renaissance. Or at least during the Renaissance, they were trying to, like, recapture that. And then at a certain point, it was just like, now this is a global conglomerate now. We don’t need to worry about any of that stuff. Tangled and Frozen don’t have as much as the older movies, but I think they have more than their Pixar, you know, or Moana. The Disney ones do have a little bit more of that going on than the Pixar is, I think.

Think then. But, yeah, not to the level of like, Snow White or something, but this one does. I mean, technically, I would consider memory techniques as part of ultism now, because there are. Some People consider it like mental magic, because once you realize how easy it is to do and it’s just like a typical skill that you can improve your memory short of, like, literal brain damage, but if you don’t have actual brain damage, you can teach yourself to have incredibly, like, sharp, sharp memory. There’s always going to be freaks in nature. There’s people that can just memorize things while you’ve been trying.

Same way that you’ve got like polymaths and stuff. You know, you’ve. You’ve kind of got like your Rain man or your little man Tates. But you can kind of learn how to do memory techniques. And this one, Dory proves that she does have brain damage. It’s not just like a skill thing. Right. She’s got some sort of a physical deformity which also kind of makes her on par like she is the. The mental version of Nemo. Because Nemo is sympathetic, extra sympathetic. Not just because he’s a kid, because his mom and 300 of his siblings were murdered, but he’s got this little like gimp sort of fin.

Right. And that’s what makes him like just over the top sympathetic. And then when you see Dory, her version of that is that she has this mental issue that basically is going to perpetually keep her like a child, at least in the way that she’s always going to need some sort of a caretaker for the rest of her life. Yeah. Nemo’s basically got over it by this point. He still has a little fin, but he works with it, you know. So does he even really come up in this movie? Not at all. I mean, I think you see it, but I don’t think that there’s.

He’s not struggling with it because he’s already figured out how to do it and he. He tries to overcompensate for it constantly. Right. Dory’s in a weird position where she can’t overcompensate just because she doesn’t even realize what the issue is. She knows that she has memory issues and then it stops there. That’s like where the end of the self awareness goes. It is weird how all our memories work though. Like for me, I don’t keep a schedule book. I keep all of my schedules in my head. Right. I am very good with maps. I just remember this place is connected.

This place is connected to this place. But then if you want me to memorize a poem. Nope, sorry. Probably can’t do that. When I used to gig and stuff, I usually forget the lyrics to songs I wrote and just start making up new stuff on stage or singing gibberish because it was a club where no one could understand what I was saying anyway. I almost feel the opposite, man. I feel like I could and I have memorize a book word for word. That. That is probably easier to me in some cases than remembering a schedule without meticulously writing it down.

Or like your example of. Of Like a map and just being able to find places. This is, this is why the memory palace thing is such an interesting concept to me because I can see how it works. But also out in the real world, I remember going plate, like driving places that I had literally been there for 10 years, been driving there for, you know, the better part of a decade at the very least. And a billboard would move or like a building would get knocked down over a weekend or something and I would miss an exit.

I would just completely drive by a place that I’ve been going for years and years because like the tiniest little visual milestone changed. And it’s like part of the back of my brain that kept track of how maps work. It was like, okay, after that third billboard and then there’s going to be like a water tower. That’s when you, when you turn right. If they moved one of those billboards or God help me if that water tower went away. Like, I’m never making that exit again unless I’ve got a GPS to remind me to take that exit.

And the more and more that happened, it was like the landscape would change. I just completely submitted. So now Google just tells me where to drive, right? Well, going back to Atlanta a few months ago, it was interesting because I realized I do construct my spatial memory in a completely different way now. Like, streets don’t have names. I know how I know where all the places around me connect. I don’t get lost, right? Atlanta, of course, I used to know and I recognized every place where we’re driving around. My mom’s getting mildly lost and they don’t have an in car gps.

I don’t have cellular on my phone because I have a Japanese phone. I’m like, I recognize the places I recommend recognize all the street names. And in America, you remember, this street connects to this street connects to this street. You don’t remember places spatially so much. I was like, I don’t remember how any of these connect anymore. So. And I never in Atlanta did like, this place connects to this place connects to this place like I do here. And imagine the ocean floor, it’s probably even worse. Like the dory has it easy because the animators are like, yeah, like all of this debris is just going to kind of still be here a year later.

I would imagine that if this were actually happening, you’re screwed. Because all of your visual indicators, unless, unless you’re talking about like actual reefs that have structure to it. But we’re not really talking about that here again, we’re talking about like the runoff area off the side of a highway. For a lot of this, I. This movie is weird chronology. Chronologically. It comes out 13 years after the original 14, something like that. I feel like. So for anyone that saw the original, is watching this so not kids necessary. But anyone else is going to get the kind of subconscious impression that Dory has been away from her parents for 12 years or so.

I mean, if you saw this when you were 9 and then 13 years elapsed and now you’re 22, you know, I feel like you’re. You’re showing this to your kid after you show them Finding Nemo. Yeah, yeah. But I’m not talking for the kids. I’m talking for adults watching this. They’re gonna. It feels like Dory has been away from her parents for 12 years. But, you know, when I looked up the wiki, it’s like, that can’t be right. And it looks like, yeah, probably has been like a year. I wonder different. I’m sure these stats exist somewhere, but I really wonder when.

When we say, like, Finding Dory, for example, is like this huge commercial success, if there’s a way to figure out, like, how many of those sales was just like an adult, no kids, like, I just want to go and see this movie. Finding Dory, because I guess part of the assumption that I usually make, maybe erroneously, is that a lot of the ticket sales and all this stuff, it’s like people bringing their kids to go and see a movie because it’s a kids movie, because it’s a Disney movie. I think part of Pixar’s genius is with Toy Story and their first movies, they really established themselves as movies as all age movies.

Right. Like, this isn’t a kids movie. I mean, you can take your kids, but it’s for everybody. And I, I think that is, you know, that that little magic spell is wearing out slowly but surely. But at this point, I think there’s still a fair amount of adults just being like, I want to see the new Pixar movie again. Cars 2 is a big, you know, stink in that pile. That’s where it’s like, I don’t know, maybe not everybody. Pixar movies for adults, Cars halfway made them thinking, and Cars two really made them think it. The good dinosaur probably didn’t help.

Yeah, I don’t. I don’t know if this one helps as much. I mean, what this one does, it kind of reminds me of some of the earlier Pixar movies where each time you would see one, it was Another milestone and like how much better the animation looks. So it is interesting that this sequel being 13 years after the first Finding Nemo, that you do get to see this huge jump in. Okay. And here’s what 13 years of progress gets you. Even if you get a weird sort of scary looking marlin and Nemo towards the end of it.

But it, it looks a lot better and you can kind of see the different progression on that versus some of the other Pixar movies, they don’t differ quite enough between each other. So they don’t. Like this one you might see because it’s like I loved Finding Nemo and I’d love to see what 13 years of graphic improvements have done to this IP versus hey, it’s a new Pixar movie. Let’s go and watch this because again, I don’t know how much the Ellen DeGeneres fish movie was really moving tickets as much as, hey, remember Finding Nemo? You left.

I think it was more that. I mean, let’s face it, Dory is great as a, a garner a supporting character. Right. Too much Dory really is too much Dory. And, and this one is interesting too because she stays a side character the whole time. Like she’s a sidekick in her own movie and she just kind of pairs up with other characters that end up that having more for more than a minute. Yes. Yeah, I guess that’s part of the curse of having to be Adori. I’ve done most of my notes. I got a few more. I guess I’ll hit one.

Of course, my other big aquarium movie star, Tre4, the one with the whales. Of course. I’ve seen that movie more times than I care to admit. Another California aquarium. And then I. A little thought experiment. You, you open up the newspaper and the. Well, I guess you wouldn’t open up because it’s the headline that intelligent sea creatures have toppled a truck in California. Yeah. How do we, how do humans respond to that? Make a sandwich and go to work. Yeah. I don’t know. At least some scientists would start to really get some interesting thoughts there. I want to check that out.

These, the sea creatures just work. These different species just work together to cause actual damage in, in the, in society. Also, it makes it seem like before this move, before finding Dory, at any point there could have been like these huge fish collaboration heists. Right. Like, what is it about Dory specifically that makes all of this happen? Unless all of these. The like, maybe there are some people out there that’s like, all right, you know I didn’t get into a wreck, I didn’t fall asleep. I wasn’t drinking. You know, a fish jumped out of the water and like an octopus was there and it’s like, okay, like you’re, we’re taking your license away.

You’re not allowed to drive anymore. Maybe there’s actually, you know, points in time when this has happened here I’ll just fan theory on some occult stuff that Dory is a nexus of improbabilities. She pays for that with her mind, but just everything works out for her, right? She’s like long shot from the X Men. Everything just works out. She’s just real lucky, right, because these fish should have been flopping on dry gravel about 10 times in this movie. Well, is it marlin that gets stuck in the fishbowl, stuck on a tree, and then like works himself down from that because he doesn’t think the bird is going to come back? How painful is that for a fish? Well, not just painful, but I mean that that is a situation that is a hundred times worse than anything that happened in the first movie.

And in this one it just is a tiny little like micro plot point, right? It’s just a tiny little bump in the road. That would have been the entire movie. Honestly, that’s a pretty net. What was the movie where the guy gets his arm caught in the canyons called like 127? Yeah, 127 sounds right. So marlin cooking on. In this, in this little tiny little bowl that’s rapidly losing oxygen. I assume you’re supposed to like circulate, right? If you’re just stuck in this cooking under the sun, that’s like 127 hours. But the Finding Nemo version, he’s in the box.

Cool Hand Luke, More like he’s in a little micro. A little magnifying glass. Like a little microwave. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It’s killing the ants or whatever with the mic or magnifying glass. Anything else you want to hit on for this movie? I think I got through most of the things I wanted to say. My parents had songs for phone number and address. And I still remember my parents phone number, address. I cannot remember my phone number or address at the moment though. So there’s. You know, I’m curious, what other Disney movie has this many dead bodies? Well, you mentioned Ratatouille, right? Well, Ratatouille only had maybe 20 in the window.

Yeah, they’re a lot bigger in that. In that shot, weren’t they? Chernobyl didn’t really turn up Some corpses. Did he? No. And even if you think of even Black Cauldron does not have this many dead bodies because they cut all those scenes out. And even if they cut those scenes out, that’s maybe 40, 50 tops. This one we’re literally talking about, Dory is surrounded by hundreds of dead bodies. Victory through Air Power is a war movie. So we’re dropping bombs on cities. And that one, you don’t. You don’t see the carnage. Yeah. You don’t actually see the dead bodies.

Who Framed Roger Rabbit doesn’t have the. The amount, but it has the disturbingness of the dip. It also has, I think, the highest body count of on screen murders. Yeah, but this one has the highest body count of. Just. See, I’m going quality over quantity. But quantity. I think Dory. Dory takes it by far. Right. You can’t even count Finding Nemo because. Finding Nemo, the eggs just disappear. You don’t actually see them dead at any point. All those dinosaurs die in Fantasia. Okay, yeah, that’s a fair point. Although I still think that we see hundreds of dead bodies in.

In this example, so. Right. They’re just so tiny, it’s hard to come up with one. That one is. That’s an analogy. That’s a. What was the freaking movie about? The little gnomes that live in your closets or under the floorboards or whatever. Arieti, right? Yeah. Yeah. Like, I mean, 200 dead Arietis seems like a bigger tragedy than 200 tunas, but I don’t know. So I’m still looking at the. Now I’m on ones we haven’t seen yet, so I can’t comment on those. So you’re looking for more dead bodies in Disney? I’m looking for more dead Disney.

Yeah. I think I’ve said my piece, so. But yeah, there is a quality over quantity of death. I guess we have to assess. But for quality quantity. Yes. This one is. I mean. But Chum Bucket, I mean, that’s. That’s a bucket of gore that Dory jumps into. Well, yeah, and technically it’s not a chum bucket because they haven’t been like blended up with like little bits. They’re just dead. They’re just a whole bunch. And she doesn’t realize it, which is even a little bit creepier. Right. Like she doesn’t realize. She does realize she’ll forget within 30 seconds.

So she’s fine. She can get traumatized again and again and come right back from it. That’s. That’s the. The magic of Dory. So I wasn’t expecting to walk away with that takeaway from this movie, but that’s the biggest takeaway. Most dead bodies, I guess. We start wrapping up for today. What you up to? I want to really keep pushing this under the Dock series. If you’re not watching it, you should check it out. If you’re already subscribed to paranoid American, YouTube. If you’re not, you should do that right now because there’s a whole bunch of other things that we talk about.

But also we get into conspiracy documentaries. We’ve been doing some, like, normie ones, but we got some themes, right? So I think we’re doing like a Waco Month and we are gonna do like a. Right now we’re doing Black History Month, so we’re gonna, like figure out how to do different themed months for the upcoming ones. And then it’s all just classic conspiracy documentaries. David Icker, Alex Jones, William Cooper, Michael sarion, all the OGs. So if you like that kind of stuff, you’ll love under the Docks. And I spend most of my mornings talking about TV and movies.

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