Halloween Town: Disney Made a $4 Million Spirit Halloween Commercial full of Occult Symbolism

➡ A teenage girl finds out she’s a witch and uses her powers to save her grandma from a demon, all while navigating a Halloween-themed town. The story is filled with costumes, Halloween stores, and a touch of family-friendly feminism. The movie, Halloween Town, has become a cult classic, particularly among women in their 20s and 30s.
➡ The text discusses a TV movie called “Halloween Town” that aired in 1998. It’s compared to Harry Potter and Hocus Pocus due to its magical themes and characters. The movie is about a girl and her sister who discover they come from a family of witches and learn to use magic in an alternate dimension called Halloween Town. The text also mentions the film’s production details, cast, and the potential for a Halloween-themed movie based on a store called Spirit of Halloween.
➡ The text discusses a movie about real witchcraft and witch archetypes, comparing it to other popular witch-themed franchises like Hocus Pocus and Harry Potter. The movie follows a traditional occult apprenticeship path, with the main character, Marnie, defying authority, crossing a threshold, receiving guidance from an older witch, encountering darkness, and finally integrating her magical and mundane realities. The text also mentions the progression of the movie franchise, comparing it to the Harry Potter series. The author concludes by discussing the acting style in the movie, identifying it as similar to soap opera acting.
➡ The text discusses the idea of Halloween Town, a place where magical beings live to avoid persecution in the normal world. It suggests that Halloween Town is a metaphor for the collective unconscious, with its inhabitants representing different aspects of the psyche. The text also explores themes of initiation, exile, and reconciliation, and compares Halloween Town to other fictional worlds like the Matrix and Tomorrowland. It concludes by questioning the sustainability of a society that celebrates Halloween every day, likening it to the concept of the Purge.
➡ The text discusses the differences between witchcraft and alchemy, suggesting that both require a certain inherent quality in the practitioner for success – purity of heart for alchemy and being a witch for witchcraft. It also explores the idea of magic as a science that affects probabilities, contrasting it with alchemy’s more practical, elemental approach. The text further delves into the portrayal of magic in movies and real life, and the role of supernatural elements in defining magic. Lastly, it mentions a Halloween movie and its special effects, and the characters’ reactions to discovering their magical abilities.
➡ The text discusses a variety of topics, including the popularity of the Gremlins movie and its characters in Japan, the concept of time dilation in the movie Halloween Town, and the representation of women in secret mysteries. It also touches on the experience of watching nostalgic movies as an adult, the lighting in Halloween movies, and the oddity of watching sequels without seeing the original film.
➡ The text discusses a movie called Halloween Town, its production, and the nostalgia factor that might make it appealing to some viewers. The speakers also compare it to other movies like Tower of Terror and Hocus Pocus. They mention the film’s low budget and how it affected the quality of the movie. They also discuss the music score and the work of Mark Mothersbaugh, a film composer and leader of Devo.
➡ This text talks about the challenges and criticisms faced by someone, possibly an artist, who despite the negativity, continues to succeed and make an impact. They are thankful for their success and welcome the haters, asserting that they are still thriving even without a deal or mainstream appeal.

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Taking us to Halloween Town. I don’t know where that came from. It’s because I did the, you know, last episode I did the dark Disney thing. I was like, I can’t do that again. You kind of took me by surprise there. I can’t have. That was a Jar Jar or, or the one from Harry Potter. I was kind of going for Michael Myers doing the leprechaun, I think in Wayne’s World. Oh, you didn’t nail it. No, I didn’t nail it because once you said Jar Jar, I was like, oh, no, that kind of. I got Jar Jar and maybe Dobby.

Was it Dobby? Oh, the house elf. Well, I do. I have a few notes here that are Harry Potter adjacent for Halloween town, so maybe that makes more sense. I told you about. I’ve been accused of having Binks Arms of who’s what’s Now Bing songs. We had a company trip to Okinawa a few years ago and you know, I have freckly arms and I was going around in the water and stuff, and one of my co workers. Yeah? He’s like, yo, Jar Jar Binks arm. So why the hell would you call them Binks Arms? You’d call them Jar Jarms.

Well, maybe he should have, but he called him Binks Arms. Which. Or Jar Jarms. Jarm Jarms. Okay, well, I see he needed the plus up pass. You know, you gotta take another passage here. So came out with Binks Arms anyway. But yeah, here, owner of Jar Jarm Charms. I, Matt, owner of Jarm Jarms over there. It’s paranoid American. What weird characters resemble. I was in a spirit Halloween this week. I’ll be in a spirit Halloween next week. It’s very exciting. Oh, that’s right. They don’t have them in Japan, do they? No, it’s kind of hard to get costumes.

We got the Don Quixotes, which are like discount stores. They have a Halloween section, but it’s. It’s not much. I do remember 20 years ago when we’d have a Halloween party at school and I would just. I could not find a costume. You basically had to like make your own costume, you know. Now at least like you can, you can get something. You can get a David S. Pumpkin suit. Dome David S. Pumpkin. Now I don’t know how much you’ve been keeping up with spirit Halloween memes or how much this was a thing. I got the good joke in the new Naked Gun.

Okay, you got, you got the joke. But the, the, I guess the premise though maybe for the European audience. I don’t know if spirit Halloween happens the same way everywhere else, but Spirit Halloween is such a unique store. What happens is that they’ll buy up these abandoned strip mall stores right before Halloween, a couple months before Halloween and they’ll set up shop and they’ll sell Halloween decorations and costumes and then they’ll shut back down after Halloween’s over. It’s the weirdest thing. And for a while there, there are, I mean still places like Party City, there’s places that are open year round that kind of always have costumes.

But it’s kind of an ingenious model. They just move in on an abandoned strip mall, sell stuff for about a month or two and then they’re gone. It’s. I don’t know, I respect the way that it happens and it’s turned into kind of a meme now where you’ve got these businesses that were like we’re going to last forever. We’re going to be the most innovative. No, you’re, you’re a hot, you’re a spirit Halloween within four months. Apparently last year they also tested out a few spirit Christmases which sounded entertaining because it’s a Christmas store, but then it has a little bit of the baldiness of a spirit Halloween too.

So you get like offensive Christmas sweaters and stuff. So a great idea. Although there are plenty of non weird novelty 24 7, 365 day. Well, maybe not 24 7, but all year round. Christmas stores, they just sell Christmas all the time and they do fine, I assume as long as you’re not over saturating. Like you can’t move in across the street from another all Christmas store. But. Well, but yeah, I think that, I think their angle is it’s a more of a dumb novelty place with dirtier stuff than your typical Christmas store. So like Spencer’s Christmas.

Yeah, there we go. It’s like Spencer. I don’t know, I haven’t been in one. Just heard people tell me about it. I guess I’ve been in a Spirit Halloween. They’ve been around for more than 15 years, right? Yeah. But I don’t. I don’t know for sure if they’ve always had the same business model that they’re kind of known for now of moving in temporarily and then leaving again. I want to say it was just starting to happen when I was last in the States, but yeah, it’s much more of a thing now. So it’s just like there’s a couple places.

Yeah. I seem to remember like a Toys R Us or something turning into a Halloween shop for a short period of time. So I think this is relevant because my, my one sentence summary of this movie. I guess we’ll just get out of the way now. Teen girl discovers she’s a witch, sneaks into a Spirit Halloween store, saves her grandma from a dollar store demon using the power of family friendly feminism. The end. So you’re calling the whole town of Spirit Halloween the whole. I believe. Dude, everyone in this entire movie is wearing a costume that I saw at spirit or at Spirit Halloween this week somewhere between 1495 and like 79.95.

And I don’t think anyone spent more than that on any of their costumes in this entire movie. What costume should I buy? They told me we’re doing a Mario theme at one of the schools I work at, but I don’t think I want to do that. That’s just because the other teacher there has an expensive Koopa suit. That’s why he wants to use it again. I had a Wario suit, but it was cheap and. And I don’t think I have it anymore. And it was slightly too small. I mean, they’ve got whatever you want, man. I might have the hat still.

I should have put on the Wario hat for this. The other thing too is that the. The retro costumes from the 80s are kind of making a comeback. But they’re like, they’re like expensive recreations of the older, cheaper ones. They’re higher quality made, but they look like they’re the older, crappy versions of them. Okay. Because when I was 7 years old and I was Chewbacca, I hated that costume because I’m like, this doesn’t look like Chewbacca. This is. It’s a colored garbage B bag. And then the little like crappy mask that breaks if you, like look at it wrong, right? Yeah.

And it would, it would cut the hell out of your face, man. I guarantee you I would. I have cut my fingertips in my face on so many of those old Halloween Masks tongue. Because you stick your tongue out, you get it caught on there and then you cut your tongue. I never got one that let that. You know, I don’t want to taste the mask, man. Maybe it was an Ewok, not Chewbacca. I don’t remember. Something fuzzy. They’re kind of the same. But. Yeah, yeah, that’s some retro. I don’t want. Now Halloween Town again. We Hocus Pocus.

I also said I have no nostalgia for this because I didn’t know it existed until you told me two weeks ago. We’re watching Halloween Town, so. And I hadn’t seen it. I just. I just knew that it existed and I knew that it was a cult classic, but I had not seen it until we watched it for this episode. So I kind of went in blind on this one. Well, I said last week and the office ladies had the same response to Halloween Town as Hocus Pocus. So it’s. It hit the same buttons for that particular age.

That third got to be 30s. There’s no way that someone in their 40s has the same stuff. I don’t know. Yeah, I should throw out the age set again. I said in my. At my school, you know, I teach whatever whatever. And seven people in the room. The three women, age 21 to 33 were like Halloween Town. Yay. Where everyone else was just kind of sitting there. So it had like this real notable response just with women of this age group. Do you work with other American teachers or are these. These are. Yeah, all three of these were Americans that.

Okay, okay. Having a reaction. So. So my other description, I guess if I just needed to describe it in like five words, it’s a dollar store. Harry Potter. That’s that long before. Though they’re not quite ripping it off. This is 98. So maybe the first book has been released by this point. But I mean it’s. I don’t think they’re like consciously trying to tread on Harry Potter ground here. Well, and it’s not. It’s not a school that they’re going to and learning about, but it is this alternate dimension reality that they all go to. I mean, it’s close enough that the analogy works.

And the other thing I just, just last time that I’ll bring up Spirit of Halloween. But man, Spirit of Halloween could legitimately come out with a horror movie that takes place in their own freaking store. And it could be like a theatrical length motion picture commercial for their store. And I don’t know why this doesn’t exist. Halloween Town is kind of a crappier Disney washed down version of it. But. But a spirit of Halloween movie that was PG 13 or R could be the new Halloween town. I was kind of surprised this came out October 17, 1998.

It aired. I should say it is a TV movie, which we usually don’t do around here, but we sometimes do. It’s only the fourth Disney Channel original movie. That seems kind of weird for 1998, I feel like. Is Tower of Terror one of the other? No, I’m about to say the reason that it’s only the fourth is because before this, I guess the Disney Channel was around and they might show the Tower of Terror, but that was produced for the Wonderful World of Disney. So this was actually pitched in the 80s to be part of the Wonderful World of Disney and that it didn’t happen.

So I guess by this time that show is starting to maybe run on fumes. Not sure when that show ended. Yeah. But yeah, I just thought it was interesting that Disney didn’t actually start making cable movies until relatively late. In the game music by Devo. Mark Mothersbaugh is doing the music here, which I wasn’t impressed by the music, by the way, but I’m just noting it’s the Devo guy doing it. I don’t. But I don’t think they ever broke into song at any point in this movie. So I’m talking soundtrack. Yeah. So it’s not a musical.

Of course. The. The big thing when you start the movie, like what David. Debbie Reynolds is in this. That’s crazy. That’s Mommy Leia. Yeah. It’s. I mean, it’s got plenty of different people in it. Yeah. And actually when one of the. My co workers that reacted, I was like, yeah, yeah. I said the same thing. Like, it’s got mommy layers. What are you talking about? Debbie Reynolds. And she like didn’t know that was Carrie Fisher’s mom. So. Which, which led me to. Because they kept showing up on talk shows with the dog and I had forgotten that the dog’s name was Gary Fisher, which is genius.

So Gary and Carrie would show up at your. As your talk show or whatever. See anything else that is. So it’s going to be on the Wonderful World of Disney. There’s not. I mean, this isn’t one that has a whole lot of, you know, production stuff going on. It’s a TV movie, you know. Yeah. We don’t get box office numbers like we usually do. Right. We don’t get to do that filming filmed in Oregon. I don’t know Is that interesting for anyone? Debbie Reynolds pulled a muscle while doing a dance scene in a theater. Yeah. So there were some casualties in the filming of this movie.

Hold on. It might, she might have been dancing elsewhere and it just affected her while making it. Yeah. Let me, let me ask you what was, what was your subjective takeaway on this one? Well, I watched this and Hocus Pocus and very, you know, close to each other. And I instantly just like entangled the movies together in my brain. I was kind of stressed out. Like it makes sense. We’re gonna, we’re gonna sit down. And then for anyone interested, we just did Hocus Pocus. Now we’re doing this. And I was like kind of stressing out beforehand.

I’m like, oh my God, I don’t remember what’s in what movie. You know, like they’ve kind of like melded together a bit for me. Real. Okay. I mean, I find distinctly different movies. It’s just proximity, I think. Like I saw both of them for the first time within a few nights of each other. And I mean, Hocus Pocus obviously has higher production values. That’s what I was going to say. That’s the dead giveaway is that one of them, they’re, they’re literally wearing a costume that you could get yourself from Amazon. And the other one is kind of a high budget theatrical production that has like legitimate special effects.

I mean, you know, obviously there’s a little more acting power punch here, with all respect to Debbie Reynolds, but here, I mean, second build is like what? Judith Hogue, who is April o’ Neill and Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and Philip Van Dyke. Was that Dick’s brother? That’s a kid goblin Luke. Okay. I don’t know. So anyway, this doesn’t have stars to speak of except for the one very big star. And really it’s all about this whole, this whole movie is about the three women. Anyways. It doesn’t anyone else aside from the three women. And I think this one, this is interesting.

Right? So Hocus Pocus is about three witches. This movie is about three witches. But in this movie it’s three good witches. Because it’s more of a Harry Potter neutral. Like neutral is the word though. Are they really good? I feel like they’re more like chaotic neutral, you know. Well, it’s so, so there’s good and bad people. And then in Harry Potter Hogwarts kind of example, those good and bad people can all learn magic and then apply them for good or bad reasons. And it’s the exact same logic in Halloween Town that there are good and bad people that can then go to Halloween Town and learn all these magic.

Because you see there’s like a bully, like the first one of the first characters they run into in Halloween Town and is just a high school bully. And I was just like, this place sucks, man. Even if you go to a complete. And I guess it’s the same in Hogwarts, right? You go to Hogwarts and you’re like, hell yeah, I’m going to learn magic. And then you get bullied. Yeah, yeah. So I was crossing the streams a little bit. Okay. This is where we’re new in town. Okay, got it. So. Well, let me. For you, maybe more so than the audience.

Let me do a quick recap of this movie. It’s basically about a girl and her sister that find out they are from a lineage of witches and that their grandma comes into town and grandma takes them to where they all kind of came from, which is this alternate dimension called Halloween Town. And while they’re in Halloweentown, they kind of learn how to use magic a little bit more. So when they go back into the regular mundane reality now they have these supernatural powers that they got from Halloween Town. That’s. I mean, that’s sort of the broad strokes of this entire movie.

Right. I would ultimately say it’s almost like if in Bewitched she had taught. If Samantha had hidden Tabitha’s magic from her and then it took Adora to tell Tabitha that she’s actually a witch and bring her on a trip. This might have even been an actual episode of Bewitched. But that’s kind of the dynamic here. You’ve got the grandma, the old crone who’s fully embraced magic and is trying to pass down the wisdom. You’ve got the mom who’s been living in the mundane world and is now trying to suppress the magic nature of herself and her child.

And then you’ve got the young girl, the maiden, and she’s the one that represents all the potential and she’s going to learn the magic from the old crone to rebel against the mother figure. It’s kind of like the. The most classic neo pagan, pre Christian triple goddess archetype. But then the villain is a spirit. Halloween, Willy Wonka. Yeah. I mean, again, like you can just ignore everyone except for the three women in this movie. They’re all just background characters from. Hold on, hold on. We’re not going to completely ignore. You should do this. And then listeners should.

If you can just go to wiki and Type in Robin Thomas, he has the best wiki photo I’ve ever seen okay, well can you describe it for us? You look for it, I’ll describe it well, it looks like he’s wearing some kind of hoodie and screaming at you. Okay, if, if I’ve, if I have the time I’ll put a little image or something up probably not. Yeah, yeah, okay, Anyway, it was just like, because I’m just like looking at what else he’s been in which is like basically soap operas and stuff it seems Calabar is the mayor of Halloween town is maybe his signature role because this, this movie does have sequels, it is now considered a proper franchise so I would argue too this movie is more accurately about real witchcraft and real witch archetypes from mythology than hocus pocus By a large factor, hocus pocus nails the Halloweeny like old witch from European medieval magic archetype but this one truly encapsulates real like occult, esotericism, magic no, I mean when you come in and it’s like here’s the Cromwells, you’re already like raising a flag saying please look closer, you know, I mean they could have called them the Smiths and they went with Cromwells so now you’re thinking of like 17th century England which I don’t know, that could lead you to some witchy stuff I suppose of course they’re bashing out well, it’s mom’s.

Yeah, they’re bad, you know, Cromwell’s thing was like nothing untoward or something this is vibe well, and because the, the Halloween town, my, my assumption is that this has existed ever since the witches got run out of normal society but instead of just like running out into the woods, they ran into this alternate dimension that you can only get to if you’re a witch I think right, I guess, I don’t know if that was presented this movie if, if you are a normal non witch mortal human can you still go to Halloween town or is it off limits? My brain just went to the twilight zones to stop at Willoughby where the super stressed out businessman keeps seeing a idyllic town outside when he on his train ride and finally he decides to get out at that station which you know, turns out to be him jumping off the train and dying so I’m like, if he’s a witch, maybe he would have gotten into that town does that mean everyone trying to get into Hogwarts? Some people just end up on like the train tracks and die and then, and then the obituaries, like they took their own life and they don’t realize.

No, they weren’t suicidal. They were trying to get the Hogwarts and they took like the wrong turn or they ran into that wall trying to get on the train, you know, because you’re supposed to run into the wall or whatever it is. It’s been a little while. I have found in the past five years I’ve just kind of like stopped thinking about Harry Potter completely. So I went to the Harry Potter store in Harajuku a few weeks ago and I was like, nothing in here is interesting for me anymore. The, the escalator was cool though. It was dark.

It was like a fake forest with owls hanging down and mirrored walls. So it was a very trippy escalator. Props to the Harry Potter store escalator in Harajuku. Somehow, man, I avoided the whole Harry Potter MK Ultra programming. It never really clicked with me. I, I mean, I, I get it, I understand it, but I, I was way more interested in Encyclopedia Brown than I ever was in Harry Potter. I had that phase too. But no, I remember when I was working at the whale camp on Grandman Island. So we’re on that little island, right? And that’s when the fifth book came out, the Order of the Phoenix.

And you know, that’s the tide of Harry Potter fever, maybe. So I have it ordered, it’s coming from Amazon. But we’re going to have to go on our next run to pick up a new group of kids. I’ll get my mail. But one kid had the book and all the teachers kept like stealing it from him and like reading 30 pages and then putting it back. So we were like stealing this kid’s book and trying to read the new Harry Potter. You know, I think we were actually asking if we could, you know, read a few chapters.

But yeah, like the whole stat. We’re like, you’re like stopping a child from reading is what you’re doing. We were stopping a child from reading, yes. What a great teacher. Maybe he was playing baseball and I can borrow this book for a few minutes, you know. Well, he is now. Yeah, that’s her thing now. He’s illiterate. So the, the girl’s name, I think it was Marnie. Please don’t name your kid Marnie, by the way. There’s no real great reason to do that. But I think the little girl’s name was Marn. And also she follows a very traditional occult apprenticeship path.

Like these are the same exact steps that you would go through if you were joining an old occult order. I assume of witches. But this one also directly applies to like alchemy and mystery schools. You’ve got a. Is the defiance of authority. And in this case the authority, it’s kind of her mom mixed with the mundane world that she’s escaping. Then you’ve got the crossing of the threshold, which is kind of like a Joseph Campbell sort of heroes myth journey. But you’ve got this crossing on the threshold and this one was her boarding the bus. And this reminded me of two things.

It reminded me of the magic school bus and it also reminded me of dating myself here. But there was a music video from Crisscross, the ones that made jump. But they also had a song called I Missed the bus and it was about them missing the normal school bus. And then they got like a late bus, but the late bus was filled with zombies or something. I don’t quite remember why, but that scene reminded me of this. Go ahead. Just with transportation. Later we get the. The psychic cab, which was notable and it reminds me of.

Oh man, what was the Catbuck movie again? Oh, Totoro. Totoro. Yeah, a little bit of a Totoro moment there. So you’ve got defiance authority, you’ve got crossing the threshold. Then you’ve got this guided instruction from the old wise man archetype. But in this case it’s Aggie the grandma, the old crone that is trying to pass the torch of witchcraft down to the new family line. You’ve got the encounter with darkness and this is basically the, the calabar shadow guy, the like weird dollar store dude and then finally the full integration. And this is where you were able to combine this witchy reality that was like the occult, esoteric principles and then bring them back into your own version of the mundane life.

And we, we literally see all of those things happen in that order. And it’s not just a heroes Joseph Campbell style myth because it’s actually about the progression of a neophyte, like a, like a new person kind of virgin to magic, being blocked by someone that does know the magic properties and then being taught by an old magic archetype. And this does follow a bit of a made for tv, low budget Harry Potter arc, I guess as a franchise. Because Halloween Town 2, Calabar’s Revenge, that’s the most obvious thing you could do, I guess for that Halloween town high.

So she’s in high school, returned to Halloween town. Now she’s in university. So they are kind of going Harry Potter goes year by year. But it seems here they are going like, you know, school level by school level. It’s smart because I think that it, because it really does have that dollar store aesthetic to it. You’re not expecting a lot. And you can kind of pump these out a little bit quicker with lower, I assume, lower budgets. I hope that this didn’t have the same budget as a Hocus Pocus. It is funny looking at the, the cast list, though, because the first two movies, Debbie Reynolds is top build.

The Third one she’s second build, and the last one she’s 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 build, which means cameo. Well, and sometimes the, the cameo appearances are just because they can’t afford you anymore too, or because she can’t be bothered anymore, you know, doing these, these freaking Halloween town movies for 10 years. It’s time to stop. And also, I guess at that point, you know, the, the, the Kimberly J. Brown maybe was a little more marketable because people liked Halloween Town by that time. I mean, that seems to be the main thing she’s known for.

She do anything else? More soap operas. Okay, so I guess they just got soap opera people and tossed them into Halloween Town. Okay. No, this does make sense with kind of like a soap opera vibe going on. Might explain watching her too. Like, the whole time I was like, trying to critically assess her acting. I’m like, I can’t tell if she’s good or bad, but she’s doing soap opera acting. That’s what’s happening. It’s not kid acting. It’s. So, yeah, 100% she is. There we go. That. That’s because soap opera acting is kind of like bad in its own way.

But I’m like, she’s not doing bad child acting, but she’s. Yes, that’s it. She’s doing soap operating. Okay. Glad I worked that out for myself. And I would say I’m not making a list yet, but I’ve got. If I were, I’m putting together like a list of these Disney witches archetypes. Maybe like the little, the little grid. Right. The chaotic evil and the chaotic neutral and all that. I feel that the Grandma Aggie in Halloween Town is sort of the chaotic neutral witch. And I do believe that Mary Poppins is an evil witch. I don’t, I don’t know the other, like, position on the Matrix, but.

But I am positive that Mary Poppins is bad. Positive. Are all, are all witches need to be preceded by chaotic Glinda, the good witch. I don’t know if they all have to be chaotic. I would say that Galinda is not necessarily a chaos witch. Okay. Yeah, I was just trying to equate magic with chaos, I guess and see if they’re mutually exclusive or not. Well, it’s a scale. It’s a scale just like, just like gender and everything else. Right. Early on we do I did have to write down the quote because it’s a Disney movie telling us the movies can teach us about life.

So I was like, okay, that’s a little on the head, isn’t it? Well, I mean it tells you about life and rebirth a little bit too because the, the other big theme on this one is the Great Pumpkin and this eternal flame, which is man, that this is getting into some pretty just like on the nose occultism with all this and the fact that she, Marnie uses this Merlin’s talisman to like rekindle this big light. All this seems to be nods to the old, the Elusinian mysteries. And this is like Persephone’s return bringing life back into the world and restoring the sun back to the underworld essentially because that is kind of what Halloween Town is.

Halloween Town is this occulted dark world. Even though it’s very bright there, it just looks like any other town. Just everyone’s always wearing Halloween costumes. So it’s not literally in the dark, but it has been a culted from the real world because they can’t interact with the normal world. And I. And I guess the reason that they don’t explain here is they’ll be murdered. Right? Like if they were to just go into the normal world and like here we are, we’re witches and this is what I look like. I’ve got like a big ogre face. They would just all be murdered immediately.

So ultimately the reason for Halloween Town to exist is to present or to prevent a genocide against all magic people. Do you think? Actually now I’m a little more like what is. This is a little different than what Disney usually pushes. Right? And they’re going to push it a whole lot harder than the 17 years later I’m sitting here thinking. You just explained the plot of Tomorrowland as well. You just take out the jack O lanterns and up the budget to 200 million. You know, that’s basically Tomorrowland, right. They’ve secluded themselves in this weird alternate dimension.

Of course they have all that apocalyptic stuff going on there with the. The world ending clock. That’s. They kind of did that to themselves in Halloween Town. It’s. It’s almost like the rest of the world became pure puritanical around them and eventually shunned all these old pagan and hermetic and alchemical rights. So then they. They had just been doing what people had always been doing, and then it was a new crowd of zealots that forced them into hiding. Whereas. Yeah, okay, Tomorrowland is kind of like they have this new techn. They’re a technological civilization. They all slowly themselves and enslave themselves to their technology, essentially.

Right, but could you not do that with magic? I mean, this movie is kind of happy. But you know, how. How are the freakier creatures in Halloween Town living their lives? Because Demi Riddles can just bop on over to the real world and have dinner, whereas the. The, you know, the guy with an actual pumpkin face probably can’t do that. It’s like the X Men thing, right? You know, Wolverine go down to the local bar, but. But probably not Maggot. Yeah, this. Well, this one too also brings up that question of Halloween or October, but Halloween in particular, it gives you this once in a year outlet to expel all these, you know, like, animosities and like, all your inner demons and monsters, but in a place where you do that all the time, constantly.

That’s kind of what caused Rome to, like, start the Punic wars and defeat Carthage in the Phoenician Empire. They were like, you can’t have Halloween every day. You got to do it just, like, once in a while. Oh, I have a lot of friends that would hate what you just said. You can’t have Halloween every day. Well, I’m. I mean, I’m just sitting like, well, I’ll just make it as a joke. You can be a goth and you can like, like to wear Halloween clothes and. And be all. But. But honestly, just like, as a society, you can’t have Halloween every day.

It’s just. Just like the Purge, right? The Purge works because it’s this one day that all the other rules are off. And then the rest of the time you got to do normal stuff. You can’t have the Purge every single day because then just everyone’s murdering constantly and there’s no semblance of order. And I feel like the. The Purge is just a more extreme version of Halloween. It’s. It’s Halloween minus murder. That’ll be the next Halloween Town movie. Halloween Town, the Purse AI. Within a year from now, we might be able to just make that and review it ourselves.

Yeah, sure. Another one that both this and Hocus Pocus have, like, a weird zombie sort of sidekick ancillary character. I guess that’s just the Halloween thing. The One in here I wrote was a cross of Elvis, Roy Orbison and Beetlejuice. So that was kind of fun. Again, that’s something you can buy at a spirit Halloween for 50 bucks, but very cheesy. Yeah, the acting was about as, as on point as the makeup was, which is to say like it was almost falling off. Well, it’s all soap oper people, I guess is. Is, you know, part of it.

So it works. And, and also it’s important to remember that 1998, maybe less so than 93, but 1998, you’re not watching this in 720 or 1080p or 4K. You’re not watching this on a D. Well, maybe this was on it in 98, but for the most part, this is on an old cathode ray tube television that’s like £40. And they get. It’s got glass that’ll cut you and innards that’ll explode on you. This is not really something that. What I’m saying is that the cheap makeup and the cheap costumes might have been a lot more passable when this movie came out versus us watching it now in 2025.

Actually, it’s. It looks like this never had a physical release. It was on the Disney Channel. 2018 goes to streaming and they are, they’re showing it in movie theaters like. Oh, just one in Oregon two years ago. Oh, and the town it was filmed in. Okay, that makes sense. So. And no one showed up? No, we just, we just did the Hocus Pocus one where they like properly re released the film a few times. So here I’m looking. It’s like, oh, they just. Okay, that just showed it in the town it was filmed in. So which, I mean, that makes sense.

I wasn’t. That wasn’t a snarky. That makes sense. It was just me saying that makes sense. Where are you rolling here? There is something to the analog. The disturbingness of an analog mask though. Even if they’re cheap. I mean, that’s the. The movie Halloween. Michael Myers is in a cheap Captain Kirk mask, which makes him more terrifying. So there is something to low rent Halloween gear in this movie. It’s unintentional because they’re supposed to be actual monsters. They’re not supposed to be people dressed up. The scary part is when someone’s got a cheap costume on. Especially, I mean, I guess of all ages, but especially if it’s like an older person.

You’re like, why is this adult wearing a Care Bear costume? This is actually starting to freak me out. Yeah, I, I, yeah, I, I was also thinking, Coco, a little bit here. I mean, they’re dead and. No, they’re between death, so. No, you’re 100, right? Yeah. They’re going. Because on All Hallows Eve. Or the original, like, what is it? Sam. Sam Ain. I always screw the name up. But the original, like, Celtic origin of all this, it was because this is the night when the veil between the two different dimensions were the thinnest. So you could traverse between the two of them, which is literally the plot of the.

The Day of the Dead movie that we just saw. Yeah. Yeah. I guess Coco just swaps out Halloween for Day of the Dead, which I guess makes sense if you’re gonna add all that Mexico imagery stuff, Mexican imagery. Use that, use that adjective correctly. The other thing, too, this one, just like Hocus Pocus, but this one also has, like, that Youngian archetypes where they’re going through this steam of, like, initiation, exile, reconciliation, Reb, all of this. That the actual Halloween town itself, I think, represents this, like, collective unconscious that everyone there, just like in Hocus Pocus, the three witches form this pack mentality.

When you go to Halloween Town, all of Halloween Town is part of a Halloween town pack mentality as well. Like, you kind of are absorbed into, like, a Borg in a way. Yeah, I’m also looking. I wrote down a few quotes just which. This is pushing very hard. Magic is just thinking about what you really want. Spells are simple. You just have to want it. I don’t think it shall be the whole of the law. That wasn’t from this movie. That wasn’t in there. But I was thinking both of those are. That, that is like Crowley and like magical thinking.

Right? So. So your will, your willpower will make the magic happen. This applies to hocus pocus 2, but either one this or this movie. So I wonder. The difference between witchcraft and alchemy seems very, very little. It’s basically like if your grandma’s doing it, it’s witchcraft, and if your grandpa’s doing it, it’s alchemy. Or if. Or if it’s like the, the weird incel that lives out in the woods, that’s never interacted with anyone doing it, then it’s alchemy. Either one of those two. But in both magic, and even in alchemy, if you go by like, like Rosicrucian style or even Crowley in style.

Maybe not Crowley, but like Israel Regardi, he mentioned that even if you have the formula to make the Philosopher’s Stone or the lesser Work like an herbal stone. Even if you have all the ingredients and all the resources and all the steps, if you do it and you’re not. This, I think, is a quote. If you’re not, quote, pure of heart, then you’ll never be able to make that lesser stone. You’ll never be able to Philosopher’s stone. And it’s. And that, to me, always felt a little bit like magic. It’s almost like witchcraft, where you can cast a spell or you can try and put together a potion, but unless you’re actually magic, unless you’re actually a witch, then none of that will work.

The same way that unless you’re actually pure of heart, then you can’t do alchemy, even if you’ve got all the ingredients and you can go through all the different paces. And I. And I feel like that’s one of, like the biggest points between the two of these. Like, if I go to Halloween town, do I become magic? If I got a hold of the weird human leather skin book and Hocus Pocus and I recite the things and I do the potions, does it still work? Or does it have to be done by someone that’s like an adept? I’m trying to delineate the two a little bit.

I might call magic. And let’s call magic a science now just for fun. It’s the science of affecting probabilities, which maybe some alchemical scuffs can do that. But magic is, to me, it’s tweaking probabilities, you know, in the quantum field or whatever, if you want to make it try and sound like somewhat scientific. Whereas alchemy is more like the. The nuts and bolts. To me, that’s like, you need to have the knowledge to mix elements, that sort of thing. It’s elemental magic being not so elemental. But yeah, obviously there’s. There’s a little of both. Right. There’s a Venn diagram there.

But I, I feel like we can delineate the two a bit. I don’t know. I don’t agree with your definition of magic. So maybe when a witch is making that potion, the witch is doing alchemy, where the witch is casting a spell. Now it’s magic, it’s trying to affect probabilities. And in the media it’s a, you know, real magic are very small tweaks of probability where obviously in the movies you gotta shoot green lightning out of your wand for magic. I guess. I don’t know. I feel like magic has to have some sort of a supernatural element and Again, I just want to point out that Arthur C.

Clarke didn’t define magic. He just said that any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. But he wasn’t saying that all. All magic is just technology unrecognized. He was just saying that’s how it would appear. So I feel that there’s still like. Like real quote, unquote, real magic. It either has to involve sex or supernatural. One of those two things. Maybe so, but that’s how you affect the quantum field. I don’t know. I mean, wasn’t that the whole thing with Crowley? Wanted to blow his load all the time? He’s like, the veil between the worlds is thinner when you’re blowing your load.

Not now, Mom. I’m doing quantum physics. Yeah, yeah, really. So I just do like to. I find it fascinating to think, because we see so many movies where magic is ridiculous and unrealistic and even if the movie is great, whereas you start thinking about, well, what is magic in the real world? You know, like, and how can you use it, you know, positively or weirdly. So obviously in the real world, it’s getting weirder. Well, magic in the real world is going to spirit Halloween and then just wearing it out in public. Okay, well, then I’m doing some magic.

Good for me, because I gotta wear my costume for a full five days, man. You gotta wear them for each. It’s a five day costume. So, you know, again, I wouldn’t buy the cheap latex stuff because by the end of the week, that stuff’s gonna suck. It’s gonna smell. You know, I had another. Another good quote from the. Oh, before I even forget this too, I’m. I’ve got. My mind’s jumping all over the place. Those early 80s and 90s masks, man, they had this weird vanilla smell to it that smelled so good, but I guarantee you, it was like, toxic because they don’t smell like that anymore.

I don’t know if you know what I’m talking about, but. Oh, I know exactly what you’re talking about. That’s one. That’s why I’m complaining about, like, I have to avoid that kind of thing if I have to do a costume for five days. One of the other teachers, the first Halloween, he. It was 2019. So I want to be Thanos, right? Which many had to paint his head purple every day. So, yeah, never again there, right? So one of the. The early quotes in this movie, which I just liked, exciting, strange and ancient. And this is them describing kind of what magic And Halloween is about.

Yeah, that’s. Those are enticing words. You’re like, tell me more. Right. Show me trailer. What? Oh, I wrote trailer trash. Special effects. Trailer trash grade special effects. Show me some magic with that. Which is what they do in this movie. Also, another thing, the reason that I was comparing the Grandma Aggie to Mary Poppins is because they have a scene in here that comes straight out of Mary Poppins where she brings her bag and they keep just pulling stuff out of the bag endlessly. It’s like Mary Poppins magic bag, except Grandma’s bag is full of candy and skeletons.

Yeah. Also, I mean, let’s face it, Debbie Reynolds is kind of doing. Is doing the Julie Andrews thing before Julie Andrews was. Right. She’s like Julie Andrews ten years earlier, sort of. Ish. Fair enough. Not as a witch specifically, but. Yeah, yeah. Oh, not as a witch. I’m. Yeah, yeah. I’m just. I’m just saying that the actress. The actress’s vibes are, you know, not completely far off. What else? Another. Just a random note, but, like, there’s a scene when the grandma. The very first time the grandma is explaining to her grandkids, like, hey, you’re all kind of like witches and warlocks.

I guess. You’re all magic. And one of the. The proof that she has is there’s this book called Halloween Town. It looks like a book they probably could. Probably could have printed and sold when this movie came out. I’d be surprised if they didn’t. But she opens to a page and she shows it to Marnie. And Marnie’s like, that’s me and the brother. The younger brother’s like, that’s not you. She’s really cute. And I was just like, man, when he finds out that really is her, that might, like, mess with his head for a little bit.

He might have to go to therapy over this thing because, like, he was like, no, no, this girl’s really attractive. There’s no way it’s you. And then he’s gonna find out that it was her. And then he’s like, damn, I’m attracted to a cartoon version of my wife’s sister or my witch sister. Yeah, sorry, I was. You saw me crossing. That was the. That was the bat. Well, you said. You said trail a trailer park special effects. So my mind went to the white trash trailer park special effects for sure. Do ghosts sweat? If they sweat, is it ectoplasm? Is it ectoplasmic? Cooler? Sure.

Okay. The official tangerine one. Or, like, the new weird Remake one. The original one’s green, isn’t it? Was it. I don’t know if it was green. I know the box was green. Oh, maybe it was green. I know it was just tangerine. It was just tangerine flavor. That was the whole thing. I guess you were drinking out of a box, so you never really saw the color, did you? I mean, unless you squirted it all over the place. Maybe it was green. I just assumed it was green. So. You know what? Now that I’m thinking about, you drank out of a box and you never really saw the color.

You know, in the 80s, they. They did have the technology to make whatever juice they wanted to be whatever color they wanted. This is more colors in the 80s. More flavors. More colors. When you’re in the 80s. More brain damage. Brain damage, too, maybe. One of my other notes in here was the. The on the bus, they had a fat Frankenstein and a gremlin. Like an actual gremlin from the Gremlins movie. Yeah. I don’t know if you noticed that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I did. Sorry. I’ve been seeing lots of gremlins. For some reason, Gremlins has become something popular.

Put on your bag and on T shirts in Japan, like, recently. Like, resurgence here. So have they. Have they got it in Gremlins, too, yet in Japan? Because that’s the. That’s the real cool one. No, that’s the Japanese thing. It’s just the character. People are not getting into the movie again. They’re getting into the iconic Griffey of it. Now, when you say gremlins, do you mean Gizmo as a mogwai, or do you mean, like, Spike as a gremlin? Oh, oh, no. Gizmo as a mogwai they want. Okay, Not a Gremlin. No, no, not an actual Gremlin.

Yeah, I do. I do mean mogwai as a. So, but, yeah, that seems to be somewhat popular in Japan recently. So I actually. Man, I’ll bring it next time. If I remember, but I did get a Japanese vinyl figure. It wasn’t a Gachapom, but it came from, like, a Japanese shop. And it’s basically like a Kaiju mogwai. It’s a. It’s a Kaiju gizmo with, like, three eyes and fangs. I’ll have to show it to you the next time we do. Oh, yeah, we got Austin. Another thing recently, there’s a baby Godzilla. So it’s like Godzilla and Mothra and all the Kaiju, but done is, like, super cute.

Like Sanrio style. So that, that’s been a thing around here recently. They just put out the 70th. I told you the Godzilla guitar. That looked cool. So yeah, you know, we gotta keep Godzilla in your life here in Japan. Right. Most of the weird crap by my computer is Star wars, but do have Godzilla there. Let’s see where we’re on here. This, this movie doesn’t have much to do with Godzilla, so I’ll stop talking about him. No, I mean, I think we’re covering it pretty well. I mean the. Ultimately the whole entire movie is about this triple goddess arch between the maiden, the mother and the old crone passing this torch of magic back and forth.

And ultimately Halloween Town is a straight like straight to TV Disney movie about what the Western mysteries and, and specifically the, the whole Elusinian mysteries. Because the Elusinian mysteries is one of the older historical references to secret mysteries that not only admitted women, but women had their own branch. Like they did things and learned things and went to different initiations that men weren’t even allowed into. And that’s sort of the whole premise of this particular movie is that the, the sequence of, you know, the three women in this family are going through this transformation together. Oh, you know, the one thing we didn’t talk about in this one is the weird time dilation.

It’s like, what is it? Two weeks in Halloween town is like one week in the real world or something. It does, Yeah. I don’t, I don’t know why that even had to be in here. It doesn’t really. It’s not different enough to make a huge change. Although I guess you could use it to like buy Bitcoin or something. I don’t know. Well, I’m just saying that takes Agatha. I’ll stop calling her Debbie Reynolds. Aggie. You were calling her Aggie. But that does. I mean they do say like she’s like she’s not supernaturally age like she is a normal human age, but technically she’s like 200 or more.

So that’s just weird to think about. So she is coming from not. Well, 200 is not far back enough. But add a little more of that, you’re coming back from the Hocus Pocus. Which vintage as well. Right. But I think it’s an important thing to note that I don’t believe that she gets to experience 200 years worth of life. No, that’s what I’m saying. She’s experiencing a normal human life as she’s experiencing time normally. But because she’s in Halloween Town from an Earth perspective, she’s like 200 plus. So, so in the normal world, if like a president that gets elected that you don’t like, you’re just like, I’m going to Halloween town where I can not even pay attention to this.

And then when I come back, like only two years has passed for me and it’s been four for you. Right. Or you just move to Japan for 20 years. So. But yeah, yeah, I mean that is like, yeah, when things get rough. Because she, she can at least kind of walk in both worlds. Some of these Halloween creatures cannot. There’s, they have to basically be in Halloween town or get, you know, chased by a mob. You know, Frankenstein’s monster is not going to do well at the mall where Aggie should be fine. Right. Again, because ultimately the threat is murder.

Yeah. So Frankenstein’s monster has just been there for 200 years and maybe from the perspective there, it’s, it’s just been like a couple months, a few years maybe. I don’t know. They don’t know exactly how the dilation works. Neither do they, to be fair. I, I don’t think anyone, I think I’m thinking about it harder now than the writers who’s writing this. So I definitely see like you see this movie when you’re 10 to 12 years old. I, I, the cheesiness of it would like be a hook and you’d love watching it now. You know, me watching it at 8:46 for the first time is like, you know, I don’t hate myself for watching this.

You know, I, I would watch Peewee’s, you know, Christmas special again, which is really annoying. But I have the nostalgia for that. Right. This, this one too. I think it might be the, the most well lit Halloween movie I’ve ever seen. And I. Well lit is the proper lighting, man. I would say it was, it’s the brightest, has the most bright scenes out of any Halloween movie I’ve ever seen. And it, and maybe part of that is the soap opera roots a little bit. I have a feeling that might be the case. Hey, what is the best daylight horror film for you? There’s not many daylight horror films.

This isn’t horror, of course, it’s just Halloween Town, but, well, technically doesn’t. Oh man. I mean, when you say best. I don’t know. Best. I can, I can think of two ups on my head. But the weirdest daylight one doesn’t Human Centipede take place in the day. He doesn’t wait for night to do that. He does that out in the front lawn during daylight. Because of my weird film podcast, I’ve seen phase. I’ve seen the second phase and the third phase of the Human Centipede, but I’ve never seen the first one. I haven’t seen the only one that people say might actually be at least a little bit good for the novelty of it.

But if you already know what the premise is, it’s maybe lost a little bit on you. But I’ve. How could you not see the first one? I feel like, because it’s not on the bad movie list, whereas 2 and 3 are. Okay, all right. And now it’s just funny to be like, I saw two and three and not one. Just how I saw. I told you, I saw Halloween 3, and I haven’t seen any other Halloween movies. You know, this is like saying you’ve seen American Psycho 2, but not American Psycho 1. Yeah. It’s like saying, I went to Disneyland and I got some McDonald’s fries and I left.

They sell McDonald’s at Disneyland? They did 20 years ago. I don’t know why that was the first. You get a Starbucks and leave. They got Starbucks in the parks now? I think they absolutely do. I don’t think they do here. I don’t hear. But yeah, I think, yeah, American ones do. In fact, the last time I went to a Starbucks in a Disney park, there was a tile on the ground that had some shape or something. And one of the Starbucks employees asked me if I knew what it was, and I did. I think it was Epcot.

I think we were at Epcot. And it was. And he was like, do you know what EPCOT stands for? And I got it right. And he gave me a freaking Starbucks Disney exclusive pin for getting it right. So apparently there’s just random workers in Starbucks on Disney property that can give you free stuff if you answer trivia questions. Oh, one more thing I want to bring up just since. Since we bring up, you know, the. The people that are more responsive to mind control or whatever. Mom is very ginger in this movie, but none of the kids are.

And Grandma’s not. I just was noting that they had a very, you know, correctly redheaded actress as mom who is not into this stuff. Does red hair skip a generation? I don’t know if it does. Well, it is a recessive genes, right? So it is. You can have a bunch of kids where that gene does not carry on. But I’m thinking of casting right, just like, since we have an eye out for that thing. I was just noting that mom, who’s very against all this magic crap for most of the movie, is in that space. Right.

Well, she’s tired of getting kidnapped and having her blood taken from her. Yeah, maybe she had. Maybe she had like horrible weird traumas going on as a kid. We don’t know. Yeah, yeah, we don’t. We don’t get the dark side of Halloween Town. There’s got to be a dark side of Halloween town just right. It’s too brightly lit. We don’t know what goes on at night. We don’t know what goes on in the basements. Halloween Town might be a truly evil place. And this, this is just the PR campaign for it. Place of your deepest nightmares when the sun goes down.

You know, I don’t know. What else can we squeeze out of Halloween down here? I think we’re getting. The other thing is, since they actually did film on location on a town in Oregon, I guess it’s just like, let’s film into the day because we have a four million dollar budget and that’s it. So as far as notes, more to say about this, I brought up the Psychic Cab already. I’d like that. I mean, yeah, there’s like you said, it is. The Euclidean magic stuff in here is cool, but the movie itself only has so much meat to the bone because they’re buying dollar store costumes.

You know, you’ve. You’ve kind of shot yourself in the foot a little bit once you start doing that. I mean, or you can just completely lean into it. Which they did. Yeah, well, I’d say one of the movies that I think lean the best into having no budget whatsoever. Have you seen A Forbidden zone? No. About 1980s. It’s direct. It starts like an Outer Limits kind of thing. No, it’s a 70s art collective from like LA or something. And they spent like, it was like. Yeah. And Danny Elfman’s brother directed it. And then Danny Elfman plays Satan in it.

And I, I recommend watching Oingo Boingo does the music right. I recommend watching the colorized version because it’s a psychedelic, weird, bizarre, recently done one. But yeah, it’s just like they made this movie on no budget and really lean into it. So, you know, if you told me I had the option between an Oingo Boingo or a Devo score, I feel like I would go with Devo without now maybe not now that we’ve seen Halloween Town, maybe he’d be like, I’m not gonna go with Devoid. Yeah, well, Mark Mothersblog has done some Very. I think he’s done like Wes Anderson movies and stuff.

He’s done some good scores before. This is not one of them. Like, maybe he whistled this in his sleep. I don’t know. So, I mean, it does just sound like. Again, it just sounds like chintzy TV music. A lot of the time he showed up and he saw the costumes everyone was wearing and he’s like, oh, I get the vibe. All right, I can just phone this one in. Not giving. Not putting any effort into this. Like, what other movies has he scored? Because I’d say at this point he’s probably. When he’s dead, he’ll probably be a little more into history book as I’ve film composer than the leader of Devo.

And not according to week either. Still putting Devo up top. But yeah, he’s done quite a few movies which I’m still scrolling down for. Wow, he’s done a ton. Oh, he did Thor Ragnarok. Okay. One of the Hotel Transylvanias, the Life Aquatic. There’s that. That Wes Anderson has had in mind. He’s got real credits. Yeah, he’s done some stuff, but yeah, not at this point. It seems like he was just starting to a little film music around this time. Maybe he just wasn’t good at it in 1998. That might be the actual answer. He would just.

Hadn’t gotten a sea legs on film scoring yet. That’s fine. He had plenty of practice though, before then. Yeah, but doing Whip it and doing a film score, you know, different beats, aren’t they? I guess so. I guess the fair point anyway, that I guess that means I said all I need to say about Halloween Town, so. Got anything else there? I mean, yeah, this movie, it’s deeper than I think that comes across, but it doesn’t necessarily mean it’s worth watching. Now. There might be. People say that the nostalgia factor. Let me just say that the nostalgia factor is probably the only reason that you would think that this movie is good.

Yeah, because Hocus Pocus, again, not my favorite movie, which hopefully no one’s offended by, but that one is a proper production. It looks like a real movie. It feels like theatrical release versus straight to TV release. Has a lot to do with both of those. But we. We’ve seen straight to TV movies that looked. We did Tower of Terror, which I would say looked better in this maybe in part because it didn’t have so much crazy stuff to put in. Because they do have to make Halloween Town look like a crazy place. And they try and they don’t really succeed.

Okay, good point. Tower of Terror. Well, it looked better, I think, was more boring. Like, it. Like. Like it was more experience. It was a more boring movie. This one is not as boring, but it’s. I don’t know. It’s very. It’s very lukewarm. Like, there’s enough things happening on screen, enough different. Like when you see the weird zombie Elvis guy overacting with the bad makeup. I don’t know. It’s. It’s entertaining to see it, but at no point are you like, man, this is a good movie. I don’t think that ever comes across my mind watching it.

Also, Tower of Terror had the. The plus, where while they did film most of it in Burbank on soundstages, they could go use this giant theme park attraction that the Disney company had already spent millions of dollars on. And that’s not. You don’t have to count that in your production costs. It’s just already there, you know? Yeah. Well, here they had to build an entire town called Halloween Town in an alternate dimension. I don’t even know what the budget is on that. Oh, yeah, 4 million. Just have. Just have Spirit of Halloween. Make a movie. They could probably do it for a pretty decent budget because they’ve already got, like, all the props, all the.

The real estate, everything. All they really need. They can get the space. Yeah. To film it. They can get the space. I guess we will wind this one down for today, then, and wish everyone a happy Halloween Town. Happy Halloween Town. Yeah. Where do you want to send people for their Halloween? Let’s see what’s going. What’s the next one? You’ll give them some top ramen. I would say that again. I’ll just do the same promo as I did for the last episode. Just because you got to hear something seven times before it sinks in. So actually, let me just say it.

Seven times in a row. Go to the Paranoid American Podcast. I’m not actually going to do that seven times in a row, but wherever you listen to podcasts, just search for Paranoid American Podcast and subscribe. And you’ll get plenty of different episodes of Occult Disney cartoon Cabal under the Docks, where we review old conspiracy and mainstream documentaries. The Paranoid American Podcast, where I interview a whole bunch of different people for whatever reason. October was like Mason Month. I interviewed a whole bunch of. Of Masons, and I asked them questions about all the weird Masonic conspiracies you could think of.

So if that sounds even vaguely interesting, you should go and check that out. I also interviewed the old producer of Unsolved Mysteries who just released a book about Timothy McVeigh and the Oklahoma City bombing. So, yeah, it’s kind of all over the place, but it’s all interesting. And you can find all those different episodes under just one podcast, the Paranoid American Podcast. And on my end, I think I’ll just say my music link today Hen for roving sage media.bandcamp.com I got Binara beats. Play them well you know if people do come trick or treating, play them real loud, you’ll creep some kids out.

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