➡ The speaker discusses various conspiracy theories, from space and reality to animal testing and pandemic solutions. They also touch on the influence of military intelligence in the music industry, mentioning famous musicians with connections to the military. The speaker notes a shift in the conspiracy theory culture, from seeking information to following personalities. They conclude by discussing the impact of this “cult of personality” on various industries.
➡ The speaker discusses their love for the band Insane Clown Posse (ICP), their unique style, and the impact it had on them. They also talk about their own musical background, including their classical training and their interest in drum machines and sampling. The conversation also touches on the role of artificial intelligence in music and art, and how it might change the way we perceive and appreciate these forms of expression.
➡ The speaker discusses their thoughts on the future of music, particularly with the influence of artificial intelligence (AI). They believe that AI will soon be able to tailor music to individual tastes, based on what they’ve been listening to recently. They also mention the potential for AI to create new versions of songs, combining elements from different covers. The speaker also touches on the idea of nanobots being used to deliver music directly to our ears, eliminating the need for headphones.
➡ The text discusses the rapid advancement of technology, particularly in gaming and artificial intelligence, and how it’s becoming increasingly difficult to distinguish between human and computer-generated content. It also touches on the concept of the ‘Uncanny Valley’, where artificial beings appear almost, but not exactly, like real humans, causing a sense of unease. The text further delves into various conspiracy theories, rating their believability on a scale of 1 to 10. Lastly, it discusses the environmental impact of chemicals, using the phrase ‘they’re turning the frogs gay’ as a sensationalized example of real environmental issues.
➡ The text discusses a famous incident where a man was tasered for asking a politician about his involvement in a secret society, which became a popular meme. It also talks about how sensational claims can overshadow important issues, like environmental pollution. The conversation then shifts to a musician named Josh Stefan, who creates heavy metal music with conspiracy themes and has a unique drumming style. The text ends with a discussion about the controversy surrounding Lars Ulrich and Napster, suggesting that Lars became a scapegoat for a larger issue.
➡ The text discusses a musician’s frustration over his music being leaked on Napster before it was finished. He emphasizes the importance of control over their work and the disappointment of their music being shared without their consent. The musician also shares his experience of teaching others to play drums through his videos and the impact he’s had on the drumming community. Lastly, he talks about his interest in conspiracy theories and how it has affected his image.
➡ The speaker discusses the unfairness of a system where only those with connections or legal representation can avoid having their content removed. They also express doubt that this dynamic will change. The speaker then thanks Josh for a lengthy discussion about their videos and encourages viewers to support their work through Patreon and YouTube. The text ends with a rap verse, possibly lyrics from a song.

Like cauldrons and witchcraft and it’s. Dude, everything is, like old ceremonial magic and all this stuff. I don’t know. I’m just having fun, not really caring at this point if space is fake or not. For all I know, Saturn is broadcasting a frequency that’s coming off of the moon that’s creating our reality that’s trapped in the speed of light. Your hands. Yeah, we got that. Again, that was a little out of my comfort zone, because I focus on stuff that happened before I was born or at least a few decades, and opinion on things that were just happening because I’m so used to sitting in the bleachers and being like, all right, let’s see how this all turns out.

And now it’s like, what do I actually care about? That’s how the Alpha Genesis guy, he goes back into doing weird, like, emotional research with, like, he was correlating everything he was doing to monkeys, to humans. Early Alpha Genesis, they lose, like, somewhere around 40 monkeys. But this isn’t the first time it’s happened. In fact, it happens basically, like, every year. And the. We’re willing to do the work for the budget that, you know, there’s given out to him. And it’s. It’s interesting because this also becomes the basis for. They’re doing research for all types of pandemic solutions.

The Zika virus. Remember when people are getting bit by mosquitoes and thinking their babies were going to come out looking like coneheads? That was where most of that Zika research was being done as well. So you’ve got these little weird petri dishes that are filled with all kinds of patented compounds. There’s out in nature, and no one wants to really make a commotion about that part. It’s just like, oh, that’s funny. Monkeys on the loose, you know? Yeah. GMO dolphins, you know, like, that was one of the Alex Jones lines in one of my songs. He talked about all that stuff.

GMO fish, GMO mosquitoes, dolphins, turn the frogs gay. Spider monkeys, you know, and again, it sounds outrageous, but that shit’s going on, man. You know, it’s a good example because, again, I. I always try to think back to, like, how does this look to normies? Because in my mind, that’s kind of like the goal is to be able to talk on the level with, like, the craziest schizo conspiracy theorists out there, but then also turn to, like, my nana at the Thanksgiving table and be like, all right, Nana, like, I’m gonna convince you that what this crazy dude is saying Is actually has some merit to it.

And figuring out like, that translation is kind of hard. But when it comes to animal testing, for example, if you, you can get someone to care about this weird thing happening with like a monkeys, and if you can get them that far, you could be like, they’re doing it to us too. You know what I mean? It’s not like once you get them to accept that. Wow, you mean they’re not following the law? That’s not like any company I’ve ever worked for interacted with like, yeah, dude, this just go. It’s all the way down. Like it’s incompetence or corruption.

All the way down. An icebreaker. Yeah. A great, great way to get the normies in. You know, animals will do it. If you went to like a big family, you know, Thanksgiving dinner, like everyone flies in from the various parts of the country or whatever, and you just drop that. Oh, by the way, I don’t think 2020 was real. Oh, by the way, 911 was an inside job. What would be the split be like, what’s, what’s the. The over under on this? Like at a family meeting. Yeah. If everyone gets into like one side of the table, who’s on your side, who’s not on your side? Not many are going to be on my side.

Not at all. Most. Mostly normies. Yeah. In fact, it would probably be a good family that we don’t. We don’t bring it up because we do have a few far writers, mostly lefters. And yeah, I’m just a crazy guy who doesn’t believe. You just don’t bring up certain topics because you know someone’s gonna fly off on him. Yeah, yeah. But when it comes up though, I have a blast though, because it’s like, again, I know, I know what I’m talking about, you know, but yeah, it’s. You gotta find those right subjects if you really want to get somebody to believe you.

And the pandemic was a good one because it was right in your face if. If they weren’t 100 against you, they were starting to question it, but I’m losing it again, man. Well, I was gonna. I want to ask that if we move away from like all the run of the mill conspiracy theories and political. Are there any really cool, like, metal conspiracy theories that like, the hardcore conspiracy theories might not know about, but, like, metal fans do, like, I don’t know, like colognes or bands that took out their own members or any. Anything that’s like kind of niche and like drummer world.

Yeah. Oh, Christ. I don’t know too much as far as that’s concerned. My, my big thing I like to tell people about is that Jim Morrison’s dad staged the Gulf of Tonkin. Right? Yeah, he was the commanding officer. That’s awesome. I know. Dave Grohl’s dad was Ronald Reagan’s speechwriter. He, he has some interesting connections. Zappa, Frank Zappa. Their family was intelligent. Army intelligence, Military intelligence. I, I almost feel like I might have learned this stuff on, on your show. Like you and Donut were talking about this, but I know like, like tin foil hat. I watch all that stuff too.

Crosby, Stills and Nash. There’s. There’s so many examples of like mamas and the papas counterculture that was really like the official culture and just like breeded them. Although I mean, to play devil’s advocate, I’ve heard the, the naysayer debunking aspect of this too was that. Yeah, but freaking World War II had like, just happened and there were drafts and like every, like all able bodied men that were able to go into the military probably served the military at some point or at least more often than not. Whether it was Korean War, Vietnam war, World War II, like, they had many opportunities to get pulled into the fold and a lot of them maybe already had some kind of education, so they just become an officer in the military.

So I mean, it, it’s not saying that the, the pattern is not there and the pattern’s not notable, but that being in the military is maybe not as impressive, but being military intelligence seems very, very specific, especially when it comes to how like how rare it is to become a successful musician to where people still know your name a hundred years after you’re dead or, you know, 50 or 60 years after you’re dead. Yeah, it, it seems like all that military intelligence, it also is close with naval intelligence and all that stuff is close with like Scientology and Laurel Canyon.

You know, there’s all kinds of cool stuff with Laurel Canyon. You know about that. Right. With. That’s probably where they stage all those nuclear tests and the moon landing and, and maybe like satanic sort of ceremonies. Yeah, all of that goes down. Yeah. For the CIA, they had houses that were just scientists in a suit taking notes. Don’t mind that guy. Don’t pay attention to the guy behind the curtain. Right. Fascinating. Fascinating. You know. Yeah, that. There’s like all kinds of creepy with that guy that I hear about in the conspiracy world though. I, I feel like there were way more cool rock if we could only get Alex Jones in like, the real world, the.

The frontal metal band, that’d be pretty cool. You know, it would. It would be nice if there were more Alex Jones, but monetize it the same way that you. You could. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that. That’s for sure good. It doesn’t seem as lucrative anymore, like, for a while. 80s and 90s conspiracy versus 2020s conspiracy, where in 2020s there’s people tuning in to Alex Jones or whatever the personality is, because they like that personality and they don’t care what the hell they’re talking about. Like, it’s how they’re saying it. And like, who they gonna make fun of this time? It’s that same precedent, but it almost seems in the 80s and 90s that wasn’t as strong, nowhere near as strong.

It was like you were tuning into Alex Jones because it was the only place you were going to hear about. Weird with listening to like AM coast to coast and listening to even like now in like Tinfoil Hat is another good example. Like, you go there to hear this, like, but a lot of the time it was like you wanted to listen for the people calling in and like the crazy stuff that they were gonna say, like the content versus, you know, the. The. I guess, like the. The content kind of interesting stuff that they bring into the table.

But I don’t necessarily know if that’s a bad thing. But it’s definitely like this new cult of personality that’s taken over every single industry and conspiracy theory, like, not even escaping from that. Oh, speaking of cults, dude, it’s so funny. That Donut is a jug and Juggalo. Growing up in school, I quit listening to metal music. Huh. Did you have a Juggalo name? No, I didn’t have a Juggalo name, but he did. I think the Donut. I think Donuts literally was his jugular name. Oh, that’s hilarious. Yeah, I. I might be a little more normie than him.

I never went to a gathering of the Juggalos, but, dude, I listened to all their stuff. That’s just. I was the biggest freaking Juggalo and they’re like a. It might be the. It might be the Wraith. It might be the Wraith. I mean, Christ, the riddle box is good. Great. Malenko is good. That’s late. But dude, I. I got all their B sides. All that, honestly, that’s the stuff I like more is their. Their B sides. I would think again, they would be very susceptible. Susceptible to conspiracy and the. The shenanigans that are going on at these places.

I can’t believe this shit’s real. That dude, they’re like rolling cars over in the audience again. They have lore, they have, they have like a storyline, they have lore, they have an aesthetic. They kind of make fun of themselves. It’s not too. I loved everything about icp. Yeah. I went from just like a. I, I listen to heavy metal because I play drums and I need stuff to play drums all day. And then I started playing along the ICP and shit playing along. And I, and I think at the time I also just remember it standing out because they’re not pretending to not be theatrical.

There was Almost this in, in 80s hair band metal even. It was like they’re taking themselves seriously. But also like, he can’t be slipping into these like skin tight leather jeans and hell yeah. I’m like so metal right now. But maybe they were. And maybe they’re, they’re like, they kind of like lost themselves in this personality. And with icp, it just took it to an entirely different extreme where now it’s not just like, I’m gonna break into your school and going to literally murder you right now for fun and drink your blood and it’s all gonna.

And then they’re gonna come out, we’re gonna play games and give out toys. And it just, it felt like an escalation of what I was already perceiving to be like these fake Personas where Snider is like sort of taking it seriously. How much is Violent J taking this? You know, is he. Is he gonna actually chop somebody’s head off? And I think that, that it made it sort of over Marilyn Manson, like, Marilyn Manson was almost like, okay, clearly the guy’s putting on some kind of a performance. But ICP was just so out. Like maybe they’ve just smoked so much meth that they don’t realize they’re not actually killer clown.

I, I honestly thought, listen to them. I got a big freaking chuckle out of it the first time it, you know, it hit me. And that’s what it’s all about for me. You know, I love that for that because it, it allows you to think things that you would normally think and almost process like emotions in ways that you normally wouldn’t if you’re trying to take everything seriously. Yeah, yeah, they’ll. They’ll abandon their lyrics, you know, just because the lyrics, you know, like I remember seeing their movie Big Money Hustlers and like a scene wouldn’t work out and didn’t work and they just Move on to the next thing.

And it’s like, Jesus Christ, man. These people don’t give a. And that’s the me as the fan understands that and I appreciate it, you know, And. And they’re putting this out there for people, and they’re not really spelling it out for the normies. You got to be a little savvy to see what they’re doing kind of thing, you know, I love that I saw a rant that you had on, on your, your YouTube channel too, that, that kind of goes align with what you’re talking about. And this is your. Like, if you need to know the BPM of a song before you start playing it, like, you’ve lost your way.

If you need a metronome, if you need a click track, you’ve lost your way. And I guess to like the, the music theory snob in me is like, I agree with you because I, I like Sun Raw more than I like almost any other. I mean, I like some Bob James. Bob James didn’t need a metronome either. But there’s something about people that are willing to abandon the tempo, the time signature, just explore around a little bit, even if it doesn’t sound great right away. Because part of that music is about appeasing and subjugating and meeting expectation as you’re listening to it.

So if it’s always the 44 and the verse always hits on the. The downbeat and the bridge always wraps up in a nice little specific computer le bpm, then you’ve kind of lost your way. So I, I relate entire song, not just to the bpm. Yep. Yeah, exactly. I, I love that, that whole idea. You do have a music background, Dave. I know you’re big with comics. Part was in. Was in music. So I was classically trained in piano for like 3 to 13 until I thought it wasn’t cool anymore and I stopped. And then I like got back into playing, but I, I jumped head first into sampling and drum machines, so I did care what the BPM was.

And I have like two favorites. I’ve got 88 BPM and 94. Funny, there’s like microcosms where I care about the BPM. But do you quantize, bro? Like, I don’t even quantize. So I’m a real musician because I don’t quantize. Or if I do quantize, I use a swing of 67% instead of, you know, 80% or whatever. And it’s like just music critics sort of like, okay, I want to do animation I want to do visual stuff more than audio because this is why I was sort of asking these litmus tests on, like, the metal crowd or.

And like, I perceive, like, the hip hop audience. They’re also susceptible to conspiracy theories. I mean, mostly just, like, African American, just black Americans in general, because they’ve always gotten the shorthand of the stick when it comes to the government. But there is this weird sort of, like, unspoken criticism of conspiracy theories in general that’s like, you’re such a nerd if you care about any of, like, that. That political stuff. Like, why do you even care about that? As opposed to, you know, ethereal rewards are. If you’re not after those things, then even if they believe you.

And I think at a certain point I was like, man, I need people that actually care about the lyrics. Because musicians, you realize over time someone will be like, that’s my favorite song I’ve listened to for the last 20 years. And they don’t know the lyrics to, like, the hook. And it’s about something, like, very specific and deep. And it’s just like, oh, I thought they were saying this the whole time. Right. So music isn’t always the best vehicle for, like, putting out some. Some concept. Got a catchy melody, and you can get someone to sing along to the dumbest ever.

Yep. Yeah. You know, it. You know, like all the infam metal stuff. I used a. A metronome for it. I think the first album was in 88 bpm. Yeah, it’s. It is a great. Man. I don’t know what to say, and it’s actually freaking great. But when it comes down to capturing, I don’t know, a. A performance. Yeah. You know what I mean? If there’s certain bands I’ll see where, when they play live, it’s very clear that they’re speeding up and slowing down. But they’re. They’re. This. This is a human event going on right. Right now, and they’re.

They’re not. They’re not asking permission. Ultimately, when you talk about, like, that human element, what do you feel about, like, AI music that’s starting to become prevalent now or at least accessible to the point where anyone’s doing it? Yeah, I. I see videos about it. I’ve never really listened to the AI metal yet that, you know. Yeah, true. But what bothers me is these a. I have an extra thing on it. Or they’re, you know, they got freaking seven fingers. As soon as I see AI artwork, I. How do you feel about artwork? AI art? I think it can be done right.

And there was a survey that you can take yourself and it’s got an image of like a ship out in space. And like that was human made and it was made in like, you know, 2007 or something. Like way before AI would have been a possibility. So I’m. And, and this is one of my favorite things is that what if you were to get someone to sit down and listen to an album. They’re like, man, I really like that album. You’re like, that whole thing was AI, by the way, artwork, process. Does someone say, like, oh, you know, on second thought, that album kind of sucked.

Yeah, that, that third track, that was really garbage. I didn’t like that at all. Like, do they? Yeah, yeah. I’m gonna be like, oh, maybe every. Everything I know is wrong. Maybe I do judge things too quickly. That’s usually not the say, AI. Art and music does get really good and it’s just stream the whole time and it just blows everybody’s senses out. It’s an interesting concept, you know, but I guess my whole outlook with music as far as music is concerned is I remember just like with Jared Dines and a lot everything is just crisp studio quality, loading that same addictive drums template up and dialing on the same thing every time, you guys, you know, because you’re just getting it easy and I gotta work for it.

And. Well, you said that you. You’re in the market for an EAD10. EAD10 is basically like a mic system for drums. So when you hit your analog drum here in meat space, it basically identifies what type of drum you. On the AD10, there’s like a stereo mic that goes like this. So it’ll pick your whole kit up and like a stereo image and then there is a mic. So it picks up my kit, you know, stereo pickup. And I don’t. What I play is what you hear. And then you can feed music into there. So whatever’s in your head, headphone mix, you can just kind of shoot straight to your phone.

I’ve been trying just that whole idea of just being analog AI is common. Drum samples are so easy. Everyone has an E kit. Everyone has, you know, plugins for the guitars, which, by the way, when I play guitar, it is all plugins, but just more. More the idea that human, human stuff, even if it kind of sucks and it’s a little dumpy. That whole like using Steven Slate for your drum sound, I just feel like it’s immediate gratification and I’m bored of it. I feel like, the people in general are becoming bored of it. I. I like raw, you know, freaking no condom stuff.

You know what I mean? Yeah. I guess my. My pessimistic thought on this is that we. We can’t discern the difference. Maybe we can now, but in two years, we won’t be able to discern the difference between one or the other. So then it’s going to become less about who made it and just the merits on it. Like, we’re almost now in a time of, like, dei for music like, oh, I’m gonna give a shot if it was made by, you know, a guy that, like, really grew up on the streets and he had to, like, lift himself off a skid row versus, like, oh, you know, some Asian kid programmed this for.

I think that. That at a certain point, you’re not going to know the difference between either of those things. And, like, the things that you find yourself kind of relating to is going to be more important in AI and it’s going to be so good that you’re going to have real bands covering it. But then you’ll have like, an AI sampled version of that cover that combines like, the five best covers of the AI song. And then someone in Meat Space covers that as like an acoustic, but then someone makes a. A dubstep rip of it, right? So now.

And this is going to be the trend of F. Like, man, I really love this ICP song. But your version is like the. The, you know, analog remix death metal, and we kind of have that already today. I do look forward to something crazy like that happening too, where molding together ways that nobody could even imagine. And my redone. My prediction is, is basically that a new album drops. Right. Your favorite meatspace artist. You know, I don’t. Who. Who is like, if someone were to drop it. Do you have any of those? Like, is it. Metallica is like, Lars comes out with a.

A solo album. You’re like, I’m on it. So if. If Lars were to come out, if would be when you put it into your CD player, your computer, wherever, you’re going to like, pop, or it’s probably going to be like an MP3 album, but whatever you. You put your vinyl on or something as it goes through your sound system, your sound system is going to like, check all the other songs that you’ve played recently. It’s like, okay, this guy really likes this time, this key and this sort of pace and this bpm. So let’s take what I’m being fed now and just kind of Give it that feel based on everything that I know.

So it’s like you don’t even have to sit down and do anything active to change your version of the Lars album. But then, like, you know, maybe I’ve been playing Public Enemy for the last year. So when I play the Lars album, it’s like Public Enemy mixed with Lars in a way, but it’s so subtle that I don’t pick up on it. It’s just enough for me to. To prefer it. Maybe it’ll be like filters, like a photo. Eh, It’ll be. Yeah, it’ll be tailored to you. The algorithm will have a tailored audio. Right now, tailored audio is basically your balance and your.

And your fade. And like, maybe if you boost your bass a little bit, like, everyone’s got certain EQ levels for certain types of music that they prefer to listen to, but this, this would be more like giving it a little bit of a Southern twang to every single album you put through your speaker system because you got a bunch of like, you know, CCR in your. In your playlist. It’d be your preferred AI modulator. Right, Right. It’ll probably just be as normal as. Just like that’s part of your new Ford Focus. It has the AI modulated music system built in because, of course, why wouldn’t it? It’s definitely going to get interesting, like, awfully quick, eh, with.

With AI and all that stuff. And we’re seeing it, in my opinion, we’re seeing it kind of like news right now. So, like, depending on the news network that you get your information from, it does that same thing. It takes this objective information and it’s no longer a song now it’s like a thing that happened out in the world and then it goes through these filters and you get someone like, you know, I would really like this song more if someone was screaming it at me. Right. Or I would like the song more if the guy screaming it was also kind of wearing like a funny tinfoil hat and like, slamming his fist.

So I know that he’s angry and being serious, but I also know there’s like a comedy to it. Just that filter for your music now, like, your music comes through and it’s got like an angry tinfoil hat guy that’s screaming, but he’s also being kind of funny about it. Interesting thought, man. That’s for sure. Well, it’s. I mean, we have to think about it. It’s going to be happening. It’ll be happening in the next few years, I think. I believe it Yep. Yeah, I, I was looking into AI last year, I guess maybe you could say the algorithm was showing me a lot of AI stuff.

And yeah, it’s. It’s crazy, man. That can kind of go back to. I learned too, with transhumanism. And I remember seeing Ray Kurzweil on Real Time with Bill Maher. I think it was like 2010, and he was talking about. People used to make fun of me when I’d say we had a. We be watching TV on our phones or a phone would be like this big. And now I’m telling you that we’re going to have nanobots and controlling the climate. You have nanobots in your body the size of a red blood cell that’s going to control your.

Going to keep you healthy. That’s what everybody is just kind of music from, like, you’re not going to need headphones anymore. The nanobots just dock themselves on the inside of your ear canal and they just do it for you if you’ve got upgraded like iPhone 27. Nanobots only. Yeah, right. You know, Kurzweil was the keyboard maker as well. Right. His dad and then the guy that we. Isn’t the guy we know now like a relative, or is he the actual keyboard. No, I’ve. I think he’s the actual keyboard guy. And his passion came from his dad, you know, dying from a disease.

And he wanted to. He wanted to try to replicate, you know, his dad through, you know, technology, some kind of story like that. But yeah, I believe the same guy who is like on the Google board now is the same guy that created the keyboards in the 80s. Yeah, pretty interesting guy. But I remember this is. Sounds like military intelligence. Just like the new version of Laurel Canyon. Yeah, exactly. But he was talking that in 2010, and it’s like, okay, well, apparently this stuff is coming. He said. I believe he said by 2030. And this was in 2010.

Yeah, repeats the. He repeats Kurzweil’s prediction for singularity, which I think happens in like 2029 or 2030. And that was repeated in Ghost in the Shell anime, which was then repeated in the Matrix, which now gets repeated religiously. But it. It all kind of goes back to Kurz Wheel and it does feel like we’re on that trajectory. And I guess that that moment of singularity, that’s the day in the most superficial way, that’s when you no longer have the ability to tell if the music or the media or the writing that you’re consuming right now was done by a human or A computer, like, there’s no way to really tell unless you are also someone that works in that field and can look for like these telltale fingerprint signs, which most people wouldn’t be.

Right? It’s crazy. Crazy, man. It’s. It’s cool to be alive now. To go from Atari up to the we’re dealing with now, you know, into the future. It’s crazy. You know what I mean? I did. I kind of came out when I was born. My. One of my, like, friends had the Atari, but we were never allowed to play it. But I always knew it sucked. Like, even when I did get to play Atari, it was like, this is garbage. That doesn’t look like the Kool Aid Man. That does not look like Porky’s Revenge. These are just, yeah, like, screen.

I should have said Nintendo because, like, Nintendo came out like, basically when we were born, Atari was kind of like a four track player where it’s like, you know, I’m an eight track player. Brother would have the Atari or something. Yeah, yeah, he did. Exactly. We were. We had a Nintendo, we had the SEGA Master System and then I had the Sega Genesis and then the PlayStation. I skipped the Super Nintendo and the N64 and a GameCube and all that. But yeah, I remember each one of those iterations, I guess. Sega Genesis. The first time it came with Sonic the Hedgehog and there was a level where there was this big like half morning star that would swing back and forth.

And the way that they rendered it, it looks so real in 3D. And I was like, I can’t believe how realistic this is. Even though it was, you know, like a digital representation. And then like PlayStation 1 came out and it’s like, oh my. I can’t tell the difference between real life and video games anymore. Now we’re talking like PS6 and we’re getting closer and closer to Uncanny Valley. But that, I think also that Uncanny Valley is part of Kurzweil’s Singularity. And that like around that same time, it’ll just be like, oh, I actually don’t know if this is real or not.

And it’s weird that again, AI might be the thing that’s taking us there because the, the 3D renderings and all of this, like realistic looking CGI and movies, it does enter that Uncanny Valley area because, like, our eyes are being able to focus on just the things that stand out. But when it comes to AI, Uncanny Valley still exists. But it’s like, I don’t know what, I don’t know what the telltale sign is because it’s like they got five fingers and they got like the two eye. Like everything’s where it should be. But there’s just something about this.

But man, that it feels like it’s the last moments, you know? Like kids that are going to be born in 10 years are going to be growing up in a world where there is no uncanny valley. Or it’s going to be like so far outside their discernment that they’ll, they’ll like an evolutionary way their brain is going to be like, no, that this can’t be real. Everything is real, right? Yeah. Designer babies, all that good stuff that’s going to be coming. Dude, what the hell? Brave new world type of stuff. You’ll be able to feed in genetics, take out.

I want to get more speculation on what you think is coming, other conspiracy theories that you might be beholden to. So here I’ve got a really quick segment that’s gonna wrap this up for us. Let me just play and then I’ll explain the rules. Hey, conspiracy buffs. I double dare you to take some pcp. The paranormal conspiracy probe. On your marks. Get set and go. All right, we have kind of danced around a few different topics here, but now I’m gonna try and get you to rate different conspiracy theories or topics from 1 to 10. So if you give it a 1, it’s like you don’t believe in it at all.

You get a five. You don’t care. You have made up your mind. And if you give it a 10, like you’re all in. So if I were to say 9, 11 is an inside job. On a scale from 1 to 10, where are you at on that one? Yeah, I would, I would give it a 9 or a 10. Okay. Yes. Flat earth. Oh, well, let’s say a 4 or 6. I guess you could say I’ll give it a 5 because I’m in it for the entertainment. What about Bigfoot? I’ll give it a. I’ll give it a five.

What about David Ike, Shape shifting Reptilians? Well, I, when I was a rookie conspiracy guy, I would have gave it a one. Now I would give it a seven. Okay, that, that’s a. I like that trajectory. I like that a lot. Yeah. What about little gray aliens? Like X Files, Roswell style? I think that’s just as likely as the Reptilians. I would put that at a seven as well. All right, how about demons? Like biblical demons? Same thing, same thing. I would think if one thing is a Thing they. They all would be. And they either not in the same realm.

They’re floating somewhere in that. That stratosphere. So does this apply to, say, like, angels and gin and genies and everything? They’re just different perspectives in different angles. Yeah. Chris, I seen you interviewing Jerry Marzetti. Is that his name? The guy? Yeah, but the stuff he talks about with the schizophrenics, that. That could be in the same stratosphere as all this stuff as well. Who are we to say, you know, I find that fascinating, like. Like maybe we are the VR helmets for all of these weird entities that are floating around. So you’re not necessarily a meth addict.

You’re just the VR helmet that a meth, like an astral meth addict got his hands on. And every time he wants to go and do math, he just pops on the jaw. I’m not saying you do method. He pops on the job helmet and he’s like, let’s do some math, man. You know what I mean? I. I find that to be fascinating because it doesn’t seem like it’s a claim you can prove or disprove. It’s very much a different. It’s like a. Like a non scientifical way of thinking. It’s just a complete, like, perspective shift. So, yeah, shout out, man.

Such a. A phenomenal way of looking at stuff also because he approached it from a skeptical, like, atheistic point of view where he wasn’t looking for demons. He was just like, damn, this. This keeps coming up over and over again. That guy is fascinating. Yeah, absolutely. But I’m sorry, I. I didn’t want to take away from your. Your segment here. I mean, so, yeah, so shape shifting, aliens, grays, demons, angels, Jin, all kind of get like a seven, so. So more believable than not that it would actually exist. What about. Yeah, they’re turning the frogs gay? Well, yeah, I think.

Honest. Well, there’s the outrageous sound of it, and then there’s atrazine and all that stuff. Right. Was it an atrazine? So atrazine is a runoff chemical that triggers an innate ability in frogs to change their gender under certain conditions and times of stress or when it’s just like a response to a population. If there’s like a freaking wiener roast going on, then one of the frogs is like, I’ll be the chick tonight, and they flip over into a chick. So now everyone bangs the chick frog and they can reproduce. I mean, I’m. I’m grossly oversimplifying a little bit, but that’s kind of what happens.

And this is a chemical way of inducing that same environmental stressor. It would also result in that behavior. So in that case, they’re turning the freaking frogs gay. I, I’d give, I’d give it a 10. Just under the principle that yes, like that has an environmental effect. It’s been demonstrated, you know, plastics can be estrogen mimickers, all that stuff. These things can. Endocrine disruptors. Yeah, 10, absolutely. But for just to make it all sound like all the frogs are, are gay. It’s just a dumb way to say it. But yeah, I, I think it has a, a bigger effect on people, you know, as a whole.

But it’s, it’s more of just a sensational term, you know what I mean? And I, I’ll add a, a fun little pop quiz question in here too. That’s not just the one 1 to 10. But on that same note of you say a thing, they’re turning the frogs gay and it like takes on an entire life of its own. It represents something real, but it turns into its own thing that people dismiss because of how silly it sounds. So on that same note, do you remember Don’t Tase Me Bro. Do you remember that, that particular meme? Do you remember what he got tased for? Oh, I, I, I’m gonna say no, but I remember once, you know, woke up the stuff I remember hearing once what the situation was for and I was like, oh my God, dude.

I thought that was so funny at the time because you used to watch Bill O’Reilly and he made like a big joke out of it that this, what was it he asked John Kerry about his time as a Skull and Bones secret society member. And if that no way concern for the American voting public because this was right up to the John Carrey Bush election. And that’s what he got tased for was for asking about. Which is crazy because everyone remembers the Don’t Tase Me Bro and all of the remixes and the memes and the reenactments.

But the dude was legitimately asking whether we care that he was in the secret society at Yale. That part doesn’t get remembered the same way that they’re turning frogs gay. What is like, you know, some LGBT guy like trying to turn. No, it’s, we’re talking about agricultural runoff that is not being regulated and it’s seeping itself into if their chemicals are going to turn you gay. But that part gets left out because of how silly the original claim is. Just like, haha, don’t taste me. And it erases everything that came before that. Yeah, there’s a company in my local area that, you know, has a lawsuit for freaking contaminating the.

The soil with whatever the hell they’re doing. I mean, yeah, of course this. This happens all the time. Yep. That’s. That’s how it goes. But yeah, it’s. If you got a crazy guy slamming papers around, calling frogs gay, that is a sensational aspect to it. I think, too, that. That those kind of events where maybe someone like me or you, in 30 years after it’s no longer relevant, maybe they’ll care and they’re. They’ll only find out about it because of how sensational some of the claims were and the big backlash. And I’ll be like, that is going to be the staying power that’ll make it still relevant in 30 years from now, even though in the short term we’re still laughing about the memes that came out of it.

But that’ll lose some of their relevance and some of, like, the entertainment value and the facts will remain there, like, that’s on the record. So we’re just kind of. That’s a great point. Conspiracy theorists to, like, find it because we planted these crazy, you know, flags in the ground. Yep, yep. And that’s why I like to fish around for any of this stuff. Because, yeah, whether you take it or leave it or if there’s only like a one little small fragment of it that you keep it with you. And so at some point, it. That might be a seed that’s planted and it’s gonna become relevant down the road when you actually learn something that’s going on and it actually, it coincides, you know, I love that.

I appreciate you being here and helping plant seeds with me with like, your Info Metal and everything else. We even get to talk about the Larsisms. Let me use that to lead into, like, all your plugs and where people can find you. You got a Patreon, they can buy your album. I don’t know. Are you still selling it for just like, anything that someone wants to pay? You’ll just send them all your music. Yeah, I mean, if someone wanted to, you know, send me something on PayPal. Yeah, I send them like, a zip file of, like, all the Info Metal stuff.

I’m on Spotify. I’m on. You know, I’m. I am on all those streaming sites as well. It’s either under Josh Stefan or Info Metal. But I have multiple albums, like, with. With Alex Jones. And I, I honestly, if you like Conspiracy stuff. You like heavy metal. It’s. You’ll get a kick out of it. Oh yeah. And, and planting seeds. Like, even if it’s not for you, make sure that you grab this music by John Stephan and share it around so that maybe the next generation and that’ll be, you know, their apple seed into finding all these crazy.

And also realizing that the, the metal crowd is a little bit more varied. Right. They’re not all Zack Delaroka and Tom Morello. Trust fund babies, like lean directly into the system. We also got some weird skitsos that believe in gay frogs just like me. Exactly, exactly. But yeah, you can, you can follow me on YouTube. Uh, Josh Stefan. You know, I’m on Instagram. Tik Tok. Josh Stefan, drums Josh and drummer on Instagram. But yeah, I’m just, I’m just being a dork. I’m playing drums. Yeah, I, I do Larsing videos. I play drums like Lars or essentially like mashup videos.

I play just like Lars Al. You know, it’s kind of self deprecating a little bit, but it’s, it’s funny. And again I’m. I’m trying to the things that make me laugh and it’s all the stuff I like doing, you know. Can you describe to what Lars Isms are? Okay, well, I have a T shirt that has a list of them. Lars Isms. They’re all, they’re all parts of his drumming technique. I think number one is let’s swap the ride with a china. You won’t use a ride symbol. Got to be a china, which is super obnoxious.

You always got to go for a symbol on two, not one. You know, usually the symbol is like the capital letter and like the first of the first word. You know what I mean? He’ll wait and then do it on, you know, on the second count or the third count. Double bass is optional. He basically whatever he puts in his albums, if it’s has double bass, it’s just he’ll totally disregard how the song was written. Kind of like you were saying about lyrics how you can like cherish how lyrics are written. And if you go see someone live and they’re just kind of like changing the flow of them and look at.

That’s what Lars Aler does. Like, but he’s just doing whatever he wants at that time and basically that’s what he was doing in the studio. And I try to basically take his most absurd habits and apply them to songs that he doesn’t play in. You know, like, are these Criticisms of Lars or are they just like patterns that you’re, you’re pointing out for like comedic effect? Yeah, it’s. I consider it kind of like a Comedy Central roast. You only do it the people you admire. You know what I mean? There are other people that do it and they’re.

You might say they’re a little more mean spirited or it’s more just like a bullying sense. But I, I try to do it where he does have absolute trademark things that he does on the drums. And you, you definitely hear them like in my, my Larsing videos. I do have a little bit of that, you know, kind of being a picking on more of his lesser tendencies, I guess you’d say. But I wouldn’t be a drummer if it wasn’t for Lars Ulrich. I totally admire the guy. I still love everything he does. Even if he does play the way he does, he’s not a bad drummer.

He has a great technique and he adheres to that thing I say about no click track. When you go and see a Metallica concert, it’s like a train that could derail at any moment. And sometimes it kind of does, but it’s a live experience and it’s. It’s four dudes and it’s being directed by this one guy and he knows how to build on an audience. Like, that’s. Honestly, I feel like that’s the drummer’s duty is to create tension and speed things up, make things more exciting, you know. But they’re kind of like a guide. At least that’s how I see the drummer.

And Lars definitely is a guy, you know. But have we fully forgiven Lars for Napster? I, I have, absolutely. I, I never really got mad at him. And I kind of see it like. Well, I’ll. I’ll just say this. It’s relevant too, because I’m here the way out. Alex Jones is tied in with Sandy Hook. And the public feels about Alex Jones. I feel like that’s how the public feels about Lars and Napster and it’s really just like a big PR misunderstanding and. But as far as Lars is concerned, let’s just get rid of the whole Sandy guy.

I don’t want to tether that whole thing on to comparing it with Lars, but. No, I get what you mean though, in that. That he almost became like a figurehead for a controversy that went way outside of him. Like he was in many, many ways, if you look into that, the Lars Napster sort of like, you know, controversy it was. It’s not like Lars understood software Development and network infrastructure and like these distribution systems. He, he was part of one of the biggest names out of all of the other musicians that were lending a sympathetic ear to this cause and this perceived injustice.

And he was vocal about it in the right sound clip at the right time and became like it’s not like he signed up to be like and I’m going to spearhead this whole entire initiative. It was just like he made a comment, he had an opinion about it and now he became the, the face to that thing. And it garnered all this sort of like unjustified hatred towards him particular when really yeah, he’s just, he’s just a big millionaire and he’s out of touch and he’s trying to arrest people for downloading his music and all that.

And it’s, it’s not. Yeah, it’s, I remember even hearing it from himself. He says I Disappear just came out, we had a demo, it wasn’t even finished yet. And somehow this song got leaked onto Napster which was a brand new thing at the time. And Metallica is all about control. That all we have always have been. I mean they’re one of the bands that, they don’t really seem like they take any from the industry. They’re like very good at being self contained and their got leaked out into the public without their say so. That’s. I honestly he’s like that’s, that’s where the issue comes from.

He’s like this is our stuff we want to get with you. We can give this to you for free, we don’t care. But the fact that you heard this and it wasn’t. We didn’t want that to happen. That’s, that’s what the big problem was. Anybody should be able to understand that. But it’s easy to go, hey, he’s freaking rich, he’s freaking dick. You know. Well it was, it was really a downfall of the. Usually it happens in the mastering aspect or like someone in the engineering booth now has access to these files and Pro Tools or whatever.

And like if, if they just transfer it to a disc, bam. And, and I think the other big one, that a lot of people were going against Napster around the same time. It was the CD distribution plans, the ones that would. But you, you were mentioning something that wasn’t even really finished at the time. So that had to have come out of the engineering booth some way or another. Right? Someone got. Exactly. So that was the weak link. It wasn’t like Napster hacked into like became sentient and hacked into the studio and released it. That was a super fan slash engineer guy that was just like, I’m gonna make myself like digital famous.

And it was probably like some name that no one even heard of again. You know, shadow man698 or something. So it was, it was more about like feeling like I put that out in there. Like you almost get to like, in a magical way, take away some of the magic that this group of wizards have been working on for months. And you’re like, yeah, you get to release that. Yeah. And I can totally get that where if you’re going to show them something that they’ve never seen before and you’re giving them a tarnished version of what you want, they’re never.

You’ll never capture the impact of what. I totally, I totally get that. But yeah, this is a huge misunderstanding on. And it’s funny that the. All these bands agreed with them and they all kept quiet because they didn’t want. They’ve seen what was going on with, with Lars and the backlash he got. Yeah, I mean, how many people agreed with Alex Jones and they were like, whoa, I’m not gonna touch that one now. Yeah, yeah, that’s for sure. Well, I love, I love Napster. I was using at the same time, you know, download all my. Yeah, it’s a weird space to be in, man, because like, unless you believe that you should get all your music from mainstream sources, which almost seems like anti metal.

Right. So like finding it online or on the seven seas is almost like a metal way to discover it. But at a certain point you gotta like turn into a supporter somehow. Yes. And the best way someone can do that now is they can just PayPal you some cash. 10 bucks, 100 bucks, a thousand bucks, whatever it is. And you send them everything that you’ve made. It’s got pictures, it’s got music. And not just that, but you’ve got hours and hours of free content on your YouTube. A lot of it’s like playing Lars style versions of stuff, but also just plain like slipknot and corn.

So I assume there’s probably a lot of people that are just looking to learn how to play drums and they’re just watching someone play their favorite song and figure out, oh, that’s how they do it. Because you got the camera set up at a really perfect angle. It’s good lighting, you can see exactly what drum you’re hitting at what time. So they’re really informational. So I, Yeah, and I got, I got like a thousand videos. I got I got, I got playlists for bands. I got, I make everything real easy for you to, to navigate. And yeah, I’ve, I’ve been doing this for over a decade.

And yeah, I got thousands of videos to. Patreon signs up today and they’re just like, I’m gonna sign up for a million dollars and you just get a million dollar lump payment. Well, after PayPal takes their fees, you’ll get like seven grand. But after you get a huge influx of money, what are you doing with it? Like, what are you gonna, are you building a studio? Are you gonna create an algorithm? What are you doing? Honestly? Yeah, I would love to. I’ve been working on creating a better situation, like my space now. And yeah, I, I mean, I got computers to buy, I got software to get.

There’s tons of stuff I would, I would love to do, but ultimately, yeah, I just, I, I love playing music. I’ve taught thousands of people how to play drums just through my videos. And it’s incredible because I really didn’t even mean to do that. You know, I just wanted to keep. It gave me an excuse to keep playing drums. Like, oh, I could record this and then I can put it up here and I’m going to do it again tomorrow. It gave me a reason to play drums all the time, you know, and then to find out I made this big impact with like the drum community.

Yeah, it’s freaking incredible. But, yeah, if for yourself, you end up doing it for everyone else too, because they’re like, oh, this guy can do this every day. Maybe I can do something like this. And now they’re like, you’re inspiring thousands of other people to also play more drums, which they otherwise wouldn’t have. So I think that’s, yeah, it’s, it’s, it’s great to have that full circle moment where, yeah, I am literally just a fan who like, has like these people I look up to as drummers and to get feedback from them or get people that watched me 10 years ago and now they are a professional drummer and it was because of my freaking videos.

Yeah, it’s. That freaking rules, man. It’s incredible. But if someone wants to do the PayPal thing, it’s PayPal. Me, forward slash, Josh Stefan. But I’ll put all your links on there in the description so people can find that easily. I just want to mention it’s just a cherry on top that you also happen to be a conspiracy theorist. Yeah, so that’s, that’s the selling point. Yeah, exactly. It seems like everybody has their own flavor. And yeah, mine has always been metal comedy and conspiracy theory stuff and there isn’t much of a pocket for that yet. Yeah, whether I’m talking drums with people or conspiracy theory, I love it.

My freaking lips get stuck to my teeth, you know, my eyes get all freaking big. It’s, it’s a blast, you know, I’m all about it. Oh yeah. And yeah, it’s great. I’m real, real great to do this with you because it’s a, it’s a new community. And yeah, I feel like a lot of my conspiracy tendencies and my infra metal stuff, it doesn’t spill, spill out to the, the right, the right people. You know, my channel has been kind of fractured because of info metal. You know, I just went from a non political guy who plays drums and that’s it.

Well, now everybody thinks I’m a freaking right wing extremist. But yeah, really, it’s just, it’s always been the same for me. It’s, it’s all fun and games, you know, that metal’s supposed to be, you know, offensive and kind of, kind of edgy. What’s more edgy than Alex Jones talking about freaking vampiric pedophiles, you know? You know, chopping your dick off? That’s freaking great. Especially in this day and age where none of that stuff is allowed. It’s, it’s excellent. Yeah, I’ve had videos taken down that get this, Cannibal Corpse is a band. You know, like gangster rap is a thing.

Dude, there’s so much bad, bad stuff. If you really want to call it bad. I’ve had videos taken down because Alex Jones is in them. How metal is that? Yeah, that’s just, that’s how I see it. It’s, it is wild. But also it’s like if you are big enough that you’ve got people that can contact the people that work at the place that your stuff got taken down, then you don’t get your stuff taken down because they know that they’ll get a call that says, why was my stuff? But they look at me and you and they’re like, they don’t have people.

Like their people aren’t going to call my people. So it just exists in a different class of like the haves and have nots. Where that have is like, do you have a lawyer that will contact my lawyers? And if you don’t have that, then you operate under a slightly different contract. It’s, it’s. Yep, weird. But I don’t think it’s A dynamic that’s ever going to change, at least for our natural born lives. For sure. Maybe, maybe Kurzweil will live long enough to see a different. Well, thanks for spending damn near two hours with me, Josh, talking about sort of top videos and the things that that are being referred to as info metal.

So, yeah, if you get offended by a red hat, maybe don’t watch or maybe you should, please comment. I love it. You know, please engage. But yeah, thanks a lot, dude. This has been awesome. I appreciate it. All right, well, until next time, guys, I’ll play a couple little outros. I updated my credit screen, so all the Patreons. Anyone that’s in like the different tiers gets credits at the top or the bottom and billing. And I’m gonna try and update it every single time a new person joins, I’ll update my credit screen. So please. That’s what’s keeping all of this going.

Join the Patreon and join the YouTube and buy all of the things and send Josh money. That’s how all this works. So I’ll see you guys for the next one. There, y’all. Yeah. I scribbled my life away driven to write the page will it enlight your brain give you the flight my plane papers are high the pavement if they get emotional hey, maybe your language a game how they playing it well without Lakers evade them whatever the cause they are to shapeshift snakes get decapitated met is the apex execution of flame you out nuclear bomb distributed at war rather gruesome for eyes to see max them out that I like my trees blow it off in the face you’re despising me for what though calculated and rather cutthroat paranoid American must be all the blood smoke for real Lord give me your day your way vacate they wait around to hate whatever they say man it’s not in the least bit we get heavy rotate when a beat hits a thankless you well for real you’re welcome they ain’t never had a deal you’re welcome man they lacking appeal you’re welcome yet they doing it still you’re welcome.
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