Inside Jobs and Embedded Enemies w/ Command Sergeant Major Bart E. Womack (retired)

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So strap yourselves in, broaden your horizons, and steal yourselves for a voyage into the enigmatic heart of the Paranoid American podcast. Where each story, every image, every revelation brings us one step closer to the elusive truth. Welcome to another episode of Paranoid American podcast. I’m coming in a little hot because we got a really interesting guest today. And let me do the proper little introduction. So we’re talking to Bart E. Womack, who was a command serger major, retired, and he served in the army for over 29 years as a drill sergeant, a Ranger instructor, a sergeant at the Guard of the Tomb with Unknown Soldier, two Bronze Stars, one for valor, Legion of Merit, Combat Infantry, Tomb Guard ID, Army Ranger Tab.

He’s member of the Regiment of the 327th infantry and 3rd Infantry. He sits on the board of directors for Veterans Media Corporation. He’s a producer, he’s an actor, he’s a host for the Veterans Channel, he’s co founder of the Armed Forces Equestrian center and he’s a knight in the Order of St. George and the Grand Priory of Canada and the Americas. And I assume you’re also in the Illuminati, sir, welcome to the show. Thank you for talking to me on Paranoid American Podcast. Thank you for having me. I appreciate it. So I just want to get right into them and you have a quote on your website that I think will be a good way to kick this off because I don’t fully understand and I just want you to explain what this means.

No profession, level of education, ideology or religion is above reproach. There is no profile. The insider threat is closer than you think. Yeah, spot on. If you look at attacks that have happened over, I just say over time and I could put a date on it. I don’t think it matters all that much. And I’ll start with this attack that we’re going to talk about here shortly. But when I say no profession and this attack happened, and your audience will hold this shortly, but that a fellow American soldier did this or that’s a profession, we would not have expected that to have happened.

We don’t expect that a professor will go to a college university and shoot fellow employees and students. So the profession is irrelevant when these attacks happen. So it doesn’t matter how well or less they’re educated. Society would like you to think that they didn’t graduate high school, they are more susceptible of committing this crime versus the person with the Ph.D. or with the MBA or with the. Whatever ideology. Whatever they believe in, whatever the belief is about is irrelevant. And actually it is kind of relevant and to the point where they have leveraged that ideology to commit the attack.

Like that’s why they’re doing it. That’s what they believe in so strongly that they are attacking those that oppose whatever they believe in. And then same is true with the religion. So we can’t look at the religion of those who attacked America on 911 and disregard a Catholic or disregard a Christian or disregard any other religion, all of them. And everything that I just named is very, very capable of committing an attack and they are on the inside. So when I say that no profession, level of education, ideology or religion is above reproach, they all can do it and have done it.

There is no profile. So we can’t look for people who look like the attackers from 911 or any other demographic for that matter. I’m curious, does this just mean that it’s not going to be zero? That if anyone’s capable of doing this, regardless of read religion, race, everything, is that just mean that you can’t discount anyone? What about, what about like statistics are, Would statistics ever come into play to say like it’s more likely that a zealot Christian or some other denomination is more likely to, than atheism or anything? If you were to just put them all on a plot, does that, is that completely irrelevant? Possible, but it’s possible by anyone.

We don’t know what their day is going to be like tomorrow. We don’t know how their day is going to end tonight, what’s going to trigger them. We don’t know. We don’t know how long it’s been planned, how long has been plotted. We don’t know any of those things until it happens. Then we follow the attack to try to figure out and we peel back the pieces as they do in the investigation. But if you follow the investigation, they peel back the pieces, you will learn that sometimes those things could have been mitigated by virtue of applying these proactive situational awareness strategies we’re going to talk about later in the show.

So to me, I do not think that there is a specific profile for them. But if you watch several attacks, you will see that same thing. Now we can say, sometimes they’ll say mental health, right? So if we know that people with mental health issues can commit the attack, then why don’t we just do something with all people with mental health issues? Problem solved. Right. But we don’t. Well, there’s probably too many. There’s not only are there too many variations of mental health, but there’s probably too many people with them. Okay, I, I hear that. But if we, if we targeted people who look like the attackers or profile, if people look like the attackers from 91 1.

We tried that. And then it’s a white guy, which is tall, Kansas, that’s trying to blow up the airport because he now has allegiance with isis. So, oops, go ahead and follow that guy. It looks like the attack is 91 1. And then this guy over here that you least likely suspect is is already in allegiance with ISIS and already has explosives to blow up the airport. So would you, just to clarify, would you, would you say that figuring out if someone has a mental health issue, is that profile worthy? Is that give them a couple extra points on your scorecard for trying to determine or is, is that just as worthless as someone’s religion or superficial appearance? Well, I want to use the word worthless.

The word, what I’m trying to tell you is that anyone’s capable if that’s what they want to do. So to watch one demographic is wrong. You need to watch everybody. I just. On everybody. Let them show you. Let them confirm or deny. Either they’re going to say something or are they going to do something that looks like it’s suspicious. Or, you know, if, if the, if the husband tells the wife, I’m going to go to work and one of these days I’m going to, I’m going to kill all the people at work. I’m going to kill people on my job.

And he keeps saying it and then eventually down the line they do it. And then the wife says afterwards or he always said it, but he never did it. So let me get this right. You were waiting for him to actually do it and then tell us that he was saying it. I’m sorry, ma’, am, it’s too late. People are already dead, people already wounded. But when he said it the first time is when you should alerted somebody that he’s already said. What about gender as an indicator? Because I guess I’ve been led to believe that it’s, it’s disproportionately men that end up becoming, you know, either terrorists or mass shooters or just violent in general, that it’s not 100%, but that it’s a vast majority, does that play into sort of a profile? Now? Obviously we’re watching the attacks and we see that it’s males most of the time.

But to say that it will never be a female and to just overlook a female, if a female shows the signs and says the things that I’ll talk about here in some of these proactive situations, we’re in strategy. It doesn’t matter who’s saying it. If they are, if they are displaying those things, then they have potential. The gender doesn’t matter. If you go to a shooting range, I was in a shooting range in Los Angeles here a few weeks ago. There were plenty of females at that shooting range. It didn’t mean that that’s what they’re planning to do.

But to say they’re incapable of picking up a gun and shooting it is dead wrong. There was a mother and daughter. I mean, that’s commendable, the mom bringing the daughter. Because I guess if we’re talking about zero sum, if we’re talking about whether someone is cap or isn’t capable, I 100% understand and agree with you. There’s not a profile on earth that you can just say that person will never do this thing or that person will definitely do this thing. I guess I’m more wondering about the ratios. For example, I would also assume not based on anything informed, but I would assume that people that respect weapons enough to be able to play by the rules of a range safety officer at a shooting range and continuously go there to improve their skills versus someone that maybe just goes out and gets a gun and shoots it in the woods.

You know, in. In an area you’re not supposed to, is already kind of treating it more dangerously that between those two people, that one would be more likely than the other. Not that you can completely dismiss one or the other, but if you were putting money down that you’d put money on the person that’s not being, you know, responsible with their firearm. I’m not spending my money on the odds. I’m telling you that they all are capable based on the reasons that they feel that they need to do what they. The attack that they’re trying to commit.

I think all those things, they’re viable and you can follow them if you want to. I think that they are relevant. If you are a data person, I think they’re irrelevant in terms of that person decided they want to commit an attack. And if we follow down the data and that’s what we get and we follow the story after the shooting and say, well, you never would have thought. Of course you never would have thought because you’re looking at the data says they’re not likely based on, you know, the probability that it’s usually a male and not a female, or it’s usually this and not that until it happens, but now we got to throw it out the window.

Or we can say, well, I’m certain percent okay, wait for that. And then when it happens up, the percentage just went up. Yeah. Ourselves, I don’t think we get better at overall security by trying to predict, you know, what the gender is going to be and all those types of things. The next school shootings are going to be a male or female. We’re going to wait to find out. And then what difference does that really make? Should we be trying to Prevent the school shooting from happening in the first place or trying to figure out the gender or if they have mental health issues or not? Well, it sounds like one of.

And correct me if I’m wrong, it sounds like so far the only valuable predictor would be someone verbalizing their intent to do something like this or perhaps writing it down or some other way of explicitly stating that they’re going to do something that would be bad. Is that one of the best indicators? Are there other ones that you know would be able to fit into a profile? You know, what their actions. If I wear a t shirt, the 15 year old of school is saying I’m born and killed. What does that mean? Is it from a movie? Is it.

What do you think? I would say, yeah, children, you go to school and one of the fellow students is wearing a shirt like that. What’s, what’s your first thoughts? Are they going to come to shirt the school or like what’s the parents doing? You have an opinion, right? But if that is what it starts out to be or I’m sorry. And they wear a trench coat in school every day. So we normally see a trench coat when it’s raining. But this is in Santa Fe, Texas where it’s hot like, sorry, where it’s hot like the majority of the time and not raining.

But they’re wearing this trench coat to school every day. I would think that the more senior administrators, I would say when they see a trench coat worn, the school as a theme, the first thought in my mind, it’s Columbine, that they’re copycat, just like most of these attacks are copycat. So that should be the first thing because it’s not raining and it ain’t going to rain and it’s 90 degrees. So that behavior of what they’re wearing, their attire begs a question. An administrator should ask a question and let’s see what the answer is going to be.

Why do you wear this trench coat to school and it’s 95 degrees and it has not rained in 60 days. And let’s just hear what it is now. I can have my thoughts on why they’re doing it. I just shared them with you. But I want to hear what that person’s thoughts are. That’s, that’s a trench coat. But the shirt, you know, as administrators you can’t allow them to wear that anymore. But I still have to ask, like why did you order at the school? What does that mean? Are you really a future killer or are you a killer now? You said born to Kill.

I mean, it only means one thing. So certain things beg a question. Obviously got to keep them from wearing a shirt. Again, but my point is, this attacker is the one who committed the Santa Fe High School attack. It killed 10, wounded 10. It started out wearing a shirt, and most of the time you wore that trench coat. Oh, so that the Born to Kill shirt is from an actual shooting. Both of the scenario, both of things I just described to is from an actual shooting. Okay, yeah. You asked me, were there indicators? Do they write it down or what? I’m telling you, in this particular cases, it was action beforehand.

Now, maybe they stopped him from wearing a shirt. He didn’t wear that regular, but he continued to wear that trench coat. My point is both of those behaviors beg the question. And I don’t know what they asked, but the eventuality was 10 dead, 10 wounded, in your opinion, the like, say banning everyone from wearing a shirt that says Born to Kill, which I believe is also a quote from a Stanley Kubrick full metal jacket. I can see it not being allowed in a school environment. It just. It doesn’t add to the environment in any positive way.

But wearing a Born to Kill shirt, the administration bans it. Let’s say they even take it to an extreme. There’s now school clothing that is required khakis and, you know, button down of. Of some kind. Now, no one gets to wear any kind of graphic shirts or messages on their shirt. Does this limit the amount of indicators now that at least the trench coat and the shirt means that he’s on the radar, but if he’s wearing khakis like everybody else is now, he doesn’t get even. Get on the radar. So is there any advantage in letting them express themselves, if for no other reason than to have some kind of authority figure adult pick them out of a crowd? Yeah, great question.

I think it’s all. I think I would say in a. In a school environment, it’s their job to mitigate a potential attack. So if wearing that shirt and that trench coat, it could lead to something. I’m not saying the trench coat was from Columbine. I said it begged the question you asked. Let’s hear what comes out of their mouth. But the shirt, definitely. Now, do you change the entire dress code of the school or do you put, you know, do you specify certain things of what you can wear on your shirt? I’m not saying that you come up with every little thing that could be on a shirt, but you could do something in a policy to have them wear certain things I don’t think it had to have, you know, everyone wear khakis and, and a red shirt, for example.

But it is a step toward mitigating something. Now, if everybody’s wearing the same thing as you said, then how do we determine the person is going to do something next? What are they, what are they doing where they’re showing? Well, they will run their mouth. You got to pay attention to that. They, they Sinai brothers in the Boston Marathon. Bond, the younger brother had said after 911 that sometimes those type of acts needed to happen long before they committed their attack. And he was younger, but he told fellow friends of his who were the same young age as him.

Now, did that mean he was going to participate in the Boston Marathon Bottom years later? I don’t know. But from a person in America to a person in America after 91 1. And they’re being told even as a young person that sometimes an act like that, a worst attack in American history has to happen. That’s saying something. So sometimes they will tell you. Now, he didn’t say that he was going to commit attack years later, but to applaud that attack is saying something. But those young people just didn’t understand situational awareness. They didn’t understand, listen, don’t just hear to go tell somebody else.

But after he was caught in the Boston Marathon bombing, then it was revealed what I just told you. That’s a little late. Now if I can just put my tin foil hat on real quick and then I’ll take it right back off. But when you’re saying that anyone that would say this kind of event needs to Happen, referring to 9 11, tinfoil hat on. I believe there was an official report from Washington prior to 911 in which someone high up. I don’t want to say exactly who it was because I don’t have the quote in front of me, but a documented quote that they were describing Pearl harbor and saying that this country needs another Pearl harbor in order to push forward some extra level.

Basically the Patriot act before it had a name, before it was passed, and that was how they were describing this is that in order to get this patriarch pass, we’d need something like another Pearl harbor. Which sounds like the same thing as saying sometimes 911 has to happen, although with different intents. It’s the same, it’s the same quote, essentially. Yeah. I mean I, I don’t disagree that it, that it, you know, it sounds the same. I, I would think I would, I didn’t, I didn’t hear it. And I didn’t read it. I would think that it was possible, but someone just talking.

But the point was we need to make some changes and what is it going to take. But if it’s like that, if it’s that catastrophic, that will prompt them to do something just like we thought. We thought the gun control would take a step in a different direction after those little kids at Sandy Hook Elementary School were killed, but it didn’t. We thought that was going to be the catalyst. That’s the final straw. The other schools, okay, got it bad, but these little kids in the elementary school, these five, six, seven year old, gotta change someone.

Gun control, right? No, no. What if, I mean this is a radical from the complete other side of the spectrum between gun control. But in the 50s and 60s and even into the 70s, there were some schools that had rifle class where they taught children how to use and respect guns so that they weren’t these weird abstract machines of death that you only see in movies and video games, therefore have no natural response to them. Is there, is there any chance that that helps or is that the opposite direction? I, I, I would say in the days and the days were probably the opposite direction, but I mean there are shooting clubs.

So those things exist and some of them exist in schools. You watch the limbics. Well, you got four years now or whatever, it’s three more years. I mean you’re going to see people that do that and they are part of clubs. Some schools have that. So, but, but you know, but it’s different and it’s not that everyone who has a weapon is, is going to do something that, that’s not the case. We have to pay attention to the people that are actually, you know, what they’re verbalizing. Like the gentleman I told you that worked at a railroad in California that said he was going to come to work and kill co workers until he did.

Is there any acceptable use? For example, everyone’s got, most people have got some sort of smart device in their home, whether it’s a phone or an Alexa or a Google device or an Apple or something that’s constantly recording. So that if you say turn the light on or off or what time is it? It’ll just tell you, right? But they could potentially be listening for someone saying, you know, I’m going to go and shoot everyone tomorrow or I’m going to go and hurt somebody and to just like flag that and give everyone like a little tally or score sheet.

I mean I realize that that is essentially big brother to defined, right? But this would be one way to. Because if you can’t rely on someone’s wife or friend or family member to report them saying I’m going to go and kill everyone over and over again, you could at least trust Amazon or Google to report it. Right. Some would tell you that Alexa is recording everything. So yeah, I mean that’s, I like the thought. I think it’s way down the road. Some people aren’t. Everyone’s not standing in their house, you know. Yeah, that’s a good one.

It’s probably way down the road. Is that something I would like to rely more on them telling someone else. So someone, someone else has heard it in this particular case outside of the house. That seems like it would, it would vastly limit the, the surface area, the number of people. Because if you feel like you’re in your, a safe zone at home or with people that you’ve known your entire lives versus you’re at the workplace meant I guess that would be the low hanging fruit. Someone that’s going to work and they’ve only worked there for like 18 months and they’re starting to drop this kind of talk.

Maybe that’s an even stronger indicator, right. Than something that you’re telling your wife when you get home after a rough day. But the same person who was telling his wife that also had a little black book, not necessarily a manifesto but. And not a hit list per name, but had written in there that he wanted to go to work and kill fellow co workers. So he had traveled internationally into the Philippines, came back and he was selected, you know, specially selected by customs and they did an extra check and they found a book and they read that.

So we got United States customs reading this, but they did nothing about it. And then the attack happened four years later or something like that. But the same thing that he was telling his wife was in his book that they read. So they didn’t go to, they didn’t go to the man’s job and tell, you know, the, the CEO, the bosses and you know, those people that this guy had been saying this. Then tell them that. I’m curious if you have any thoughts on the, any, any aspect, I guess I would say the motivations and intentions, but that might be impossible to know.

But on the Vegas shooting, which seemed to have come and gone without a whole lot of thorough reports released, maybe just because of lack of knowledge about it, that when that happened, was there anything specific going through your mind and thinking about it now? Yeah, that’s a good one. It was. So the proactive Situation where strategy that I come up with, I watch every, every attack, every shooting, and if they are, if the attack could have been mitigated by applying the situation, these proactive strategies, you know, then I am. This knowledge that I’m sharing with these specific incidents, you know, I kind of store those things.

If the strategies were not used, then I talk about it. So it’s not just, you know, just shooting over here and that’s shooting over there. It’s. It’s if these strategies apply or not apply. Right. So in that one, it was hard to apply the strategy. Like there was not enough information of what was known prior. So the only thing I can come up with, and I’m just going to spitball here, so this is truly spitballing because I don’t know, because there wasn’t enough information put out and I aligned it with something else that I was involved in.

So we’re talking about this situational awareness overall. Right. So I understand that he had several weapons. So unless they were broken down and put into a suitcase when he came into the hotel, you know, what were those things in? Were they in gun cases, which you can actually tell that it looks like one versus the suitcase. That would have been at least the sign that he’s bringing them into the hotel. If, if that was the case. I don’t know how he bought them in there. Right. So that, so that’s one thing I remember. I was traveling from.

I forget where I went to, but I had my golf clubs, I landed in Atlanta and had my hard case for my golf clubs. And the Uber driver picked me up, he said, what is that, a gun case? I said, no, it’s golf clubs. Now you can say the Uber driver probably seen one of those things before or maybe not. Or he was that. That case begged a question. So he asked the question. Now he got, he got an answer, but he’s way mitigated by my answer was I don’t have guns in his vehicle. If I was telling the truth.

But my point is that case, even though it doesn’t look like a gun case because it’s tall and, you know, pretty, pretty round, it begged the question. And he asked the question. So back to the Vegas thing. If rifle cases had been bought in, that should have been at least awareness that this individual is checking in with rifles, I believe on some of the videos, because it didn’t, it didn’t fit some type of awareness ahead of time. Once you get in the hotel room, you know, no one’s in there, you know, you Put a little sign on the door, no one can come in for weeks if I want to.

Heck, I’ve done that. And I’ll go out, you know, the load of the, the person. Clean the room, their carts in the hallway. Give me some towels. I don’t need to come in. Give me, I. Give me coffee. I can stay there for a whole week, 10 days, and they never come in, so they don’t know what’s in my room. So that one was tough because I didn’t know the thing for me on that one was what did he have checking in? Was there any dialogue the whole time he was in between him and any staff.

So that was a tough one. And that stuck with me. I mean, I always think about that. I was like, hey, I. I can’t find anything. You’ve mentioned applying strategy a few different times. I mean, can you break down, like, the formula that you’re talking about when you talk about the strategy? Yeah, not, not a strat. Well, strategies, right. So first one is trust no one. So what comes to your mind when I say trust no one? What was your first thought? Me, I’ve got a shirt that says Trust no one. So me, that’s. I feel like it’s me all help me create that one.

So, but when I, when I’m speaking, you know, to any audience, I tell them all these strategies. And that’s the first one, Trust no one. You know, it follows, you know, after me having told them the story of the insider attack that, that I. Survivor of. Right. But what, what I want them to think about is how they trust, because I can’t, I can’t do that for them. They’re going to do it on their own, but I want them to think about how they do it, because some people will say, well, I’ll trust you until you give me a reason not to.

Well, I trust this group or whatever until they give me a reason not to. I don’t like that one. Because when they give you that reason, it could be. It could be death. It could be a whole bunch of bad things. You know, by the time they reveal why you shouldn’t trust them. And I think that, that some people that we’re around with frequent all those types of things, you know, is it trust that we do that we’ve given them, or do we have certain expectations of them? Anyway, I want them to evaluate that. I don’t know how someone gets mine because I’m not giving it up.

You have to work very, very hard. And the people that I’m close to that. I would say that I will give them something they get a little bit. There’s no one person that gets everything. I’ll give you what I think that you can handle. And if you mess that up, it isn’t going to affect anything much. I wouldn’t call that trust. But you call it whatever you want to. But that would. That’s how I do it. I call it military compartmentalization. But you just carry it over into normal life too. It’s like, I’ll let you get something out of the trunk before I let you drive the car down the street.

That’s right. You’re gonna get a little something that I know you can handle. But when you met. If you mess that up somewhere along the way, it ain’t gonna affect anything. I’m not gonna give you enough to affect anything. So in the end, I would say I don’t. Don’t sound like I’m trusting anybody, have expectations. I got burnt. I almost got. Almost got killed by the same one. Same person who wore the same uniform I did. So I’m not getting up. Nothing. All right, that’s the first one. Next one. Observe, listen and report. I think we need two of these particular things.

We need. We need two of them. Need to observe a report, or you need to listen to report, but you see reports in it every single time. So in the report and observe this report, I was a. A property probably building manager for an apartment building in la, right across the street from ucla. And I just took over and I come out of this one door and, and this, this light was supposed to come on automatically. It was getting dusk, it was January, pretty close to 5pm and the light should have came on automatically based on, you know, outside illumination.

And it didn’t. So I made. I mean, I made a mental note and I went inside, got a pen and piece of paper. I said I might as well check all lights because I haven’t done that. Let me check all the exterior lights. So as I’m writing down on the, you know, on piece of paper deficiencies, the lights that aren’t on, that should be on, I say to myself, if someone’s watching me right now, they should think this is suspicious behavior. Just Casey. So I go back in, come out another door, do the same thing. Then I go in and say, let me check all the interior lights.

When I make an order, I can make one order. I get up to the fifth floor, I hear, freeze. Well, I’ve been around long enough to know when someone’s behind you and they say freeze, that they probably have a weapon. They identify themselves as law enforcement. Told me to drop what was in my hand. They went to pen, they went to paper, hands behind my back, handcuffs sitting on the floor, and said, well, you fit the description of someone that was called in. I said, no, I am the description. Because I already told myself, if someone’s watching me right now, they should think this is suspicious behavior.

I didn’t further go down the line and think no one was going to call it in. I already told myself that. So when they said freezing all the time, I said, well, someone did. I told him immediately, I am the description. Then I went on to tell him I was probably building a man and all that. And okay, they understood. Now they had five police officers show up with guns drawn for someone that was called in that could not. The call could have not, could not have been more than someone standing outside of a building with a pen and paper.

Five police officers show with guns drawn. Okay, that’s a different story. So, but someone observed and they reported. There’s nothing for them here. They observed what they thought was suspicious behavior and they reported. So I, I say that everyone needs to report. They see something that looks suspicious, they need to report there’s no sweat off that person’s back. I don’t know who it was. I didn’t ask, I didn’t care. In my mind, aside from the police officer, five police officers showing up with guns drawn. That person did the right thing in my mind. And I’m the one in handcuffs.

Good thing I wasn’t, you know, a jumpy person and whatever, didn’t get shot in the back, you know, also, when they’re telling me to do all this, drop this, and hands down, I’m telling, okay, here the voice is younger than mine. I was like, okay, I don’t want to be no accidents, no itchy fingers. I’m talking to him, telling them this, right? Anyway, in my opinion, someone did the right thing. So next one, know your neighbor. And I don’t mean just your next door neighbor, I mean know your co worker, know students. You need to know fellow students.

You get to know people as much as you can, let them. And when you get to know them, they’ll talk. Then they start telling you stuff. They tell you, I don’t like this student over here, or I got bullied by this guy. This guy did whatever. And after a while, you know, we talked about these kids with mental health issues. Some of them, you know, is it mental health if someone keeps Messing with me and I had enough. Oh, now I got the problem. Just because I want to do something about being picked on in, in a lot of cases they may have that issue, but now they, the envelope has been pushed.

Somebody’s screwing with them constantly and they can’t take it no more and they do something about it. Rather be fellow students, rather be a teacher, rather be an administrator. Everybody has a limit now. How they deal with it, you know, is different. You know, so when they go to school and do whatever and we find out they’ve been bullied by. They had enough. But where was administration? All the bullying was going on. And if that person told a fellow student, then to me it’s on that fellow student who have told an administrator, someone else. I never advocate for anyone student otherwise to get in between the potential attacker and who they’re trying to attack.

But if a fellow student has been told by another student they’ve been bullied and then something may come out of their mouth. One of these days I’m going to fill in the blank. Well, they already told you what we waiting on. One of those days, that’s when it’s gonna happen because they already told you. But what’s an appropriate response for that? If someone makes that statement in a school, is it just expulsion? Do they go to a special school where only kids that say that kind of stuff go. Like what happens to them where you don’t turn them into a bigger super villain by, by basically isolating them from the rest of society? Yeah, I think these, these are all one on ones.

I don’t think there’s no, there’s no answer for, I can’t answer that for you. I would say, you know, if I was administrators, a fellow student bought that to me. Tell me about a certain student that I need to bring that person off so I want to hear what’s going on so I can try to mitigate what’s happening to them. Can it be repaired? And now we have to get our, you got to get our counselors involved, we got to get the parents involved. You have to do this whole thing. More importantly now we got to go to the, to the people that this person is saying is messing with them to make sure that it actually happened or not.

And, and you know, talk to them as well. So I said, I mean it’s, it’s isolated, but that’s, that would be kind of the first steps or something like that. So there’s no special go greater this school for those types of things. They’re all Kind of isolated incidents but we have to do something about it. But a lot of times it doesn’t get to administrators. But I don’t think a lot of times they didn’t get to administrators. I can’t say what each and every one of them do. My point is if that student was going through that, has told another student or another student has seen it, right? Observed it, they need to report.

So they may hear it or they may see it. The next one is listen, don’t just hear. So when they are telling or he’s telling several people make told them four or five times but are they listening or they just hear it and there’s a difference. There’s a 14 year old, 14 year old thing. A 14 year old student, two students at a Catholic school. One student told the other don’t come to school on this day because I’m going to shoot it up. But the fellow 14 year old was listening. It didn’t sound like he was joking.

It didn’t matter. He was listening. What he heard was don’t come to school on this day because my fellow students said he’s going to shoot it up. He reported because he’s listening. Not just hearing. College students in the classroom, sophomore classroom. So around ages of 19 years old, criminal justice class to get on the subject of guns, start talking about guns. The the adult professors in the room and a few of them say well I have a gun. No says I have a gun. Another guy says I have an AK47 and it’s in the trunk of my car and they go on talking some more and all that.

But one 19 year old when he said that thought that it sounded a matter of fact. Now this is a college campus not supposed to have guns on the college campus. Everybody knows he has his car there that day and he just told that room that he has an AK47 in the trunk of his car to include the adult. But you know immediately ding ding ding ding ding. Follow up question. Is your car here today or is your car. Where is your car? No dog didn’t do nothing. Fellow 19 year old was listening, not just hearing.

Adult professor and everyone else in that room just heard the one who was listening went back and reported it and said hey it was in the classroom. This happened so and so said he had AK47 is in the trunk of his car. It sounded a matter of fact. I don’t know what you’re going to do with it but I’m telling you so they told me that. So student came back, I walked into his car. Got about 100 yards from his car. And he said, I just want you to know before we get to my car, you have an AK47 in truck in my car.

Now, no ill will was planned. He purchased the weapon legally, didn’t intend to bring it to campus. But the day before this happened, on the Monday, the day before, on the Sunday, and coming back to campus, he was supposed to link up with a buddy and take the gun to the buddy’s dad’s house who lives in a rural area and is going to lock it up. And those two will go out there on the weekend, shoot, lock the gun up, do whatever they want to do after that, but they miss link up. So he was forced to keep it in his car on that day.

In criminal justice class, all of a sudden they’re talking about weapons. Guess what you do when you know you have one in front of your car? You don’t say nothing. That’s what you, that’s what you should do. This is the day I keep my damn mouth shut. It might come out wrong. But no, like I said, you get to know them, they will talk. And he did. And this dude looked like you were talking about some of this earlier. He looked like Matthew Broderick and Ferris Bueller’s Day Off. Matthew Brock don’t look like he flies fly around.

He’d be like, oh, just let it live. He ain’t gonna. He did kill someone with a score. I don’t want his dad going 32 ounce steak and he’s like, ah, but don’t, don’t hurt the fly. You get my point. So, but my point is overall, in terms of the strategy, someone was listening, not just hearing. Then the next one is gut check. Now we see something stuff happening where your gut tells you stuff all the time. I just did that. Yeah. Either based on what you see, based on what you hear, based on what you feel, your guts telling you something.

So we watch and we watch these attacks happen. And then at the aftermath, they’re being interviewed. I always start something. Yeah, we always started and you see it and you heard it, but you didn’t do nothing about it. And now we have dead wounded people. But you got said it was probable, but you did nothing. Our guts are strongest sense. I’m starting telling people now, perhaps we need a, that’s a scope in our gut and then things up in our ears up here. So when it’s telling us everything, we can hear it instead of we know it and we heard it, but if we have it Right in there.

They may be able to do something about it. And then the last one is just signs. A lot of times these things happen. So I wish, you know the sign with. Well, I just told you all these signs. I just thought all of them are signs. The scenario brothers saying that the action 911 should happen is a sign. Major Nadal Hassan, who was the attacker at Fort Hood, Texas, applauded the accident 91 1. That was a sign. Years later, he kills people at Fort Hood and wounds other people. That was the sign. And he said, and people heard it, but they weren’t listening.

Do nothing about it. So the signs are there. Trench coat. The signs are there. Born to kill shirt. But people aren’t paying attention to them. So that. That’s the wall. Situational awareness, that’s the overall strategies. Proactive, proactive. None of these things aren’t after the attack. They’re all before the attack or potential. There’s. It’s one challenge to get normal civilians to start thinking like this and reporting things when it’s not necessarily part of the norm. But what about when it’s systematic? Because it sounds like the same criticisms you’ve got where, oh, you, you heard this, you got a report, but why didn’t you do anything about it? Why didn’t you go and mitigate it further? There’s been criticism of the FBI for the exact same thing where a tragedy will happen and it’ll come out like, oh, well, technically they were in our records and we were watching them.

But we didn’t expect this to have developed so quickly. Yeah. You trying to take me out of my, out of my space here? I have no idea what FBI does, what they do. You know, a lot of times I, I say this about 91 1. 911 has cost us a security problem in this country. And a huge part of that security problem is money. So I go back to the Sinai brothers. The, the brother who ended up being killed, he had made trips over to, I think Yemen it was. And he was on a watch list.

And they watched him and they watched them and they watched them. And then he stopped being suspicious in terms of that activity. Not just watching them go over there, but watching them here in the United States and what he would do after he came back. And all of a sudden they watched him. But then he’s not portraying anything, you know, any traits of, of either training hat over there or anything like that. So they don’t have the money, which, which ends up buying the resources to keep watching him as soon as they stop watching him. Boom.

I say for the attacker. The attacker, they watch, they blend, they befriend, then boom. Let me ask you, I mean, this probably goes to the source of your trust issues and don’t trust anyone, but. And the title that’s right behind you that reads Embedded Enemy. This is a story that you were personally involved in, which is also something you’ve been trying to develop into a movie. Can you just give me the synopsis of what the Embedded Enemy story is? So I mean, quick, quickly, is just the embedded image. The unprecedented insider threat attack that happened on March 23, 2003 by fellow American soldier that killed 2 and 1 13.

So in the early morning hours of March 23, 2003, we were staged at Camp Pennsylvania in Kuwait. It was called an intermediate staging base across the border going to Iraq on that early morning, which was a Sunday, we were scheduled to cross the border on a Thursday. I was sitting in my tent and I was in a tent with the commander, the executive officer. We were in first tent in a row of five. The next one housed the majors, the next one housed captains, the next one housed senior NCOs. I’m watching Tiger woods play golf. I our ammo just came that night.

I was loading my ammunition into my, my 9 miller 9 millimeter ammunition to a magazine and watching Tiger woods play golf. And the tent flat would move because the wind would blow. And so when that happened the first time I noticed, okay, wind blew it. Then it happened again. I didn’t pay attention to the flap. And then I noticed these sparks right in front of me. And I thought it was some type of grenade. I knew that much that sparking before it blows up. Now I don’t know about you and your experience, but I never got so close to a grenade to pull the pen and then watch and see what it does for a long period of time.

So when it was sparking, I said, ah, that’s some type of grenade. I don’t know what it is, but it is a grenade. I’m getting out of here. So as I mentioned, Exo slept in our tent as well. He was awake and on the other side of the table he could see what I saw. The commander, however, had gone to sleep. That was about, you know, one little after 1 in the morning. The commander went to sleep at 10 o’ clock that night. First time he was sleep that early. And so I jump up, go to the back to tent to wake him up, tell them, hey, we got a grenade up front, we got to get out of here.

And I’m thinking it’s a frag grenade. Takes five seconds, it’s going to blow off. I mean, I don’t know how many I wasted. Going to the back of the tent. Wasn’t really counting at that particular time. I just knew at some point it was going to blow. So finally gets up, gets his boots on. I said, I’m counting three. We’re gonna run out of 10. Now, we couldn’t go out the back of the tent because it’s a. Was called a temper tent. And the back was all kind of roped up and everything because there was a air conditioner heating unit in the back seat.

Had to go one way in, one way out. So I count the three, start running down the aisle. I get out of the tent, and he. He’s not there. You know, get out there and turn around, calling for him. And I’m using hush tones not to silhouette myself from the. From the enemy. And no answer. Then I hear a gunshot and I hear a yell. And I pull out my pistol to cock it. And remember I said I was loading my magazines on the table. I had a magazine, my weapon, but it wasn’t. Didn’t have any rounds in it.

And so when you have a magazine and a weapon that doesn’t have rounds, you pull the. To the rear, just goes. Instead of. So I’m screwed. So I. I turn around and run to the top. Was about 25 yards behind me, figuring that they would have ammunition. And I can get an M4 and nods so I can sit. So I go in there asking for those things. People are scurrying around because they heard a gunshot, too. I put people in positions in the talk to, you know, guard the top, secure the top. I finally get the ammo and everything.

I come back out here toward my tent to look for the commander and executive officer. But they’re not at the tent. So I go back in and talk and get someone else to go to my tent in the vicinity of my tent to look for them while I look for the enemy. So when I came out, you know, that first time, there was no one else outside. So I feel like I’m out here by myself looking for enemy that I can’t. Haven’t seen, you know, any signs of. And I’m challenged. Someone says, who’s there? Of course, I say, sergeant major.

They say, sergeant major, what’s going on? I said, I don’t know. I say that Major Romaine’s been shy. He said, well, so as Captain Secret. So now we know two people have been shot. Now by this time, that quickly, the first grenade that came into the tent that I saw spark was incendiary. It starts fires. By the time I went back, time I went to the top, the frag grenade had been thrown into my tent that blew up. Same thing in the second tent, same thing in the third tent. So a grenade explodes at a 15 degree radius.

So if you are below that, you may be okay, you may get down to eight, but if you’re above that, you know, pretty hard to survive some of that. You’re going to get hit. So after the events in tent one, the people in tent two had began to stand up. So some of them caught it, you know, pretty good with shrapnel. In the third tent, some of them began to come out. One person was on his way out, realized he didn’t have his ammo, went back into the tent to grab that, and then when he started again to come out the tent, the grenade blew up in that tent, he was 17 inches away from the grenade.

So now we have catastrophic injuries in two tents, two and three. We have two people shot. We are triaging casualties and we’re looking for insurgents. At the same time, somewhere in that process, I had called for reinforcements. And I should say that we’re on this camp and there’s 5,000 of us on this camp, about 4,200. So from, from 1st Brigade, 101st Airborne Division. And then we have a, a maintenance battalion that’s also from the 101st that was on the camp as well. And I would say this camp is about 10 football fields large, I think, arguably larger.

It’s surrounded by a 12 foot berm with Constantine wire on top of that and then several guard post, several guard posts. And that was kind of the makeup of the camp. But this, this, this, this attack is only happening in the area of the headquarters. So this picture, this, you know, this kind of a perimeter of a circle in the middle of the camp of the headquarters, and then all these other units around us. But the attack is only happening at the headquarters. So no sign of insurgents. I say something had to have changed in this camp.

Then I was told that interpreters that came in, you know, a few hours earlier, and I said, well, it has to be there. We go find them. So the interpreters are located, they’re at gunpoint, guns point at their heads, hands behind their back, flex cuff. We get them in a place to interrogate them and learn that they have nothing to do with it. So now our search is back toward the insurgents that we have not id’d at all. But there’s no sign of anything, that the insurgents have done this. And then I begin to think, well, they, if they are that good, that they can come in here, create all this devastation, all these casualties and get out without any sign, like we are going to be in for a fight when we finally cross that border, get into Iraq.

Our casualties are moved from the area where they were injured to an aid station that’s on the camp. They’re triage there. A helicopter lands, a medevac helicopter lands. Someone loading their helicopter. Helicopter takes off for a one minute flight. That’s at the Cash Combat sport Hospital. You know, it’s only about a minute away. As soon as that person takes off, the second one lands. Once it lands, it’s loaded. As soon as it’s loaded, a huge fireball is in the sky. I mean, everybody kind of stops and looks up because it’s just a huge fireball, right? So now we begin to think that we’re being attacked from the air, in the ground, that that was a potential Scud that our picture battery had intercepted.

We learned later on that it was not a Scud, that it was a British Tornado fighter jet returning from a mission. So now we have friendly fire incident, you know, from its attack on the ground. So that helicopter, second matter of fact, helicopter can’t go one minute flight to the cast. They’re told that they have to fly 75km to another cache which arguably cost one of our guys his life. A commander was in that tent when that frag grenade did come in. That’s why he didn’t make it out. I think he had ran into something first, then the grenade went off.

So he’s concussed a little bit. He’s in a talk. He said, you need to get accountability of personnel. So a call goes out on the radio, we call it net call. And we learned that one person is missing and so are grenades and ammunition. So one person that’s missing is a Sergeant Hassan Akbar. So now the search turns to him. He’s the number one suspect at this time. Our intel officer had been going around all night, going to different bunkers, you know, walking around, his pistol in his hand. He was checking on people in bunkers, asking who’s there, giving them some instruction, moving on to another bunker.

Once we learn that it’s Akbar, he and I come out of tent at the same time. I go toward some of our leaders to tell them who we’re looking for. Of course they’re in disbelief. And he goes to this bunker that he hadn’t gone to all night. So he goes to that bunker like he had done all night, ask who’s there. When he does, the response is sorry, not bar. So Akbar didn’t know we looking for him. And then there’s another person in the bunker with Akbar and that person identifies himself. So the major holsters his weapon, walks closer to that bunker and takes Akbar down, and that’s how he’s captured.

So eventually he’s flex cuffed and everything. Once he’s first captured, I take the time to go back to my tent and get my gear and had it on all night, get those magazines that I had loaded. But on my way inside my tent, I see the piece of brass on the ground that was there from when my XO was shot. And again inside my tent, and I see that our colors are all burnt up. And then I see that the frag grenade that exploded exploded where I slept. So had I been sleep and not watching Tiger woods play golf, then I wouldn’t be talking to you right now.

My whole area was, was blown up. So I was pretty pissed that I would have been dead and this person would have killed me. I mean, I wanted revenge. So I came back out of the tent, I walked over to where they had him apprehended. And I was going to do something, I don’t know what it was, but I. He tried to kill me. So I. For an eye. And as I got closer, then someone else come running up like, why’d you do this? And they’re trying to get to him. So I spent my time holding them back and they foiled my plan.

He was moved to a, an area away from everyone. And then it was asked, you know, why he did it? And he said, to keep y’ all from killing our women and raping our children. So I had to pause for a moment, like, what is our? Who is our? Who is our? It didn’t, it didn’t register that he was of Muslim religion and he thought he was saving the Muslim people of Iraq. So the trial happens two years later. I say a takeaway for the world is that this happened to a close knit brotherhood. Armed forces happen in a campus, community, organization at any time and anywhere.

Domestic terrorism is our new reality. So in the trial we learned that he kept a diary. So in 1993 he wrote in his diary, I do not like the military. They have too much control over people’s lives. I suppose I’m just anti government. The Muslims should see himself as a Muslim only. His loyalty should be to Islam only. Now, like I told you, my quote, and this kind of helped me develop the quote. I’ll add this part. The religion doesn’t pull the trigger. People do. So we got two things here. We got religion, we have an ideology, but neither one of them pull the trigger.

People do. 1996, he writes, anyone who stands in front of me shall be considered the enemy and dealt with accordingly. 1996, he writes, destroying America was my plan as a child and as a juvenile and in college. My life will not be complete unless America is destroyed. Destroying America is my greatest goal. 1998, he joins the Army. So this is planned all along. February 2003. Remember, this happens in March 2003. I’m not going to do anything as long as I stay here at Fort Campbell. But as soon as I am in Iraq, I’m going to try to kill as many of them as possible.

So we would have. Like, we didn’t know. We would have never known because we didn’t have his diary. He didn’t show any of these things or display any of these things that I’m talking about. At least if he did some of it, it was at a level where no one was paying attention. And would you. Unless he said, I’m going to kill you guys when ammo comes, what else could have been done? Now, you know, it was knowing he’s a loner and all those types of things. So I said could. Maybe didn’t play in the reindeer games.

Like if everyone. If there’s not an organized activity that he has to participate in with the platoon or the squad or the section. And is this football or is this something over here you can do if you want to, but every time he chose not to, was that a sign that I’m going to kill you when the ammo comes? I think not, but I think it was a sign of something. And that something of not anticipating ever, to me begs the question, like, why now? This could be anything. But think about this. We are deployed to go across the border to fight in a war.

90% have never fought in combat. So he could be staying over there because he got a call from home that family members sick or, you know, not enough money for food. Any. Could be anything. Or I’m just afraid of this war and I’m not sure what to do. My point is the activity of not playing in the reindeer games or ever participating in anything begs a question just like that. Ranko, did you. Did you know Akbar personally? Prior to this incident. You know, I’m sure now at 5000 people in our, in our command, so to say I knew them all would be lying.

So no, I mean I know him in passing, but I know now. You should be aware of this. I told you how big that camp is. He was guarding ammo for his unit which is about 300 meters away from where our headquarters was in the middle. So he was on guard with another soldier. He’s a sergeant soldier, was a subordinate. Told the soldier go to sleep, I got it for the rest of the shift until the next relief comes. He took that time to open up crates to get our ammo and grenades. Then he took his protective mask, carry out a protective mask, put the grenades into the protective mask, walked 300 meters across the desert to attack the headquarters.

Not 800 plus people that were intense around them to go attack the headquarters. So I guess this sounds like a more classic definition of terrorism in that it was motivated but also it was aimed at having an actual political or militaristic outcome. It was not just like expressing grief or frustration in a way that wasn’t contained properly. This was meticulously designed to make the most impact as this one person could at least being on base, going right after the hq. Right, Yeah, I agree with the terrorism. I don’t think necessarily that the HQ or anything else had would necessarily be overly relevant or less in accordance with the fact that destroying America was as planned as a child, as a juvenile, while in college, his life would not be completed as America destroyed.

Destroying America’s greatest goal, that’s the terrorism. Had he committed the attack on the people that was closest to him or the ones that 300 meters away. But I don’t think it makes it more terrorism. His statement makes it terrorism. I mean arguably Bin Laden said he’d like to destroy America too. Just because he ran a terrorist organization doesn’t make it more or less of a terrorist. The fact that he wanted to destroy America makes it terrorism. No one person can destroy America. You can destroy parts. Bin Laden destroyed parts. He didn’t destroy all America. Akbar destroyed parts of America.

This happened to be 1st Brigade, 101st Airborne Division. In the description of your embedded enemy on your website, you mentioned that the United States military and I guess America in general has failed to recognize this as an act of terror and therefore everyone that was wounded or killed has not been eligible for a Purple Heart. Why? I mean just to, to play like why, why not? How hard is it for someone to just sign a piece of paper that says, yes, this was a terrorist event. Now everyone involved gets a purple heart. What. What would prevent them from wanting to just do that? It seems as easy as printing out a piece of paper and signing it.

Yeah, I mean, there is a regulation. And, you know, I’m not. Although I. I stand behind the fact that this is terrorism and that in and of itself is the enemy of our countries. Someone makes those statements. That’s why I use bin laden as an example. You know, he was in our country long before he did anything because he said things like that. Now we have to go after bin laden, who was after bin laden long before the. The number one attack. Okay, then. Now it made it more so. So, you know, terrorism is terrorism when it’s terrorism, and that that’s the act that he committed.

So in addition to being an enemy of our country. So there’s. There’s so many things that. That happen there that are in the regulation that that’s clear that the victims deserve the purple heart. Now you ask, if that’s simple, why haven’t they done it? I don’t have the answer as to why. I can tell you this. This is what they’re telling me now, that in 2015, the regulation was updated to read that the attacker must have been in communication with the foreign terrorist organization then, that the attack was inspired and motivated by that communication with the foreign terrorist organization.

That. That’s the reason they’re saying now my first question that is this, okay, that’s great for 2015, but it’s happened 2003. So from 2003 to 2000, you know, January 2015, since this change was happening in june or something like that, what about then? Since this thing you have now, you want to make a plot of this? What about all those years before that? No answer. Now, that statement that I just told you, that update was put into regulation at that time to specifically accommodate the victims in the attack at Fort Hood in 2009. So when that attack happened in 2009 on U.

S. Soil by a fellow american soldier for the same ideology, they didn’t receive the pro bond initially as well, but they knew that that attack was in communication to foreign terrorist organization, so they put that into regulation. They knew akbar was not in communication with foreign terrorist organization even at the time when it happened. And what I’m trying to get them to understand now is akbar is a lone actor. Anybody can be inspired and motivated by anything. They don’t have to talk to them, don’t be in communication with them. I can Be in complete alignment with any foreign terrorist organization right now if I want to.

I don’t need to talk to them. I just need to get down with what they get down with. And the same is true with any anything else. I would talk to them everything. So I think it’s complete BS that he had to be that you have to be in communication with them. They don’t. They won’t recognize that Akbar was a lone actor way ahead of his time. Arguably, the attacker of Fort Hood was inspired and motivated by Akbar because he saw Akbar get away with the attack and get away, I mean, executed fellow soldier. My same ideology kills and wounds fellow soldiers.

I can do the same thing. How could he not be inspired and motivated by that act? What happened to Akbar? Well, Akbar and Hasan, adult or roommates someplace. Cellmates. Some. Well, not somebody. Somebody cellmates at the United States disciplinary barracks sitting on death row. There are two of four that are on death row for over 20 years now. Oh yeah, here’s the point. No one has ever been stand corrected. The last person executed on death row in the Military, 1961. Where do they just have infinite appeals or what? No pills are exhausted. Akbar’s is exhausted. Been exhausted.

I want to say 2013. Ish. 15. Maybe 2015. I think long exhausted. Just. I don’t. I don’t have that answer. Not since 1961. Would Akbar be able to just say, hey, by the way, I. I had foreign connection leading up to this. Well, that’s. Would that immediately grant purple hearts for everyone or do they now have to prove it as well to prove it in some way? I think that’s irrelevant because you don’t have to talk to them. Again, it says that the attacker must be in communication with a foreign terrorist organization. And based on that communication, it is perceived that you are inspired and motivated because of that communication.

You don’t have to communicate with them. You have to communicate with anybody to do anything to be inspired, motivated by it. You don’t have to communicate with them. But they knew that assigned a dog was. I think he may have even taken a trip over there somewhere while he was in the military. But again, Akbar was way ahead of his time attack for these. I mean he said why he was doing it. You already said why he’s doing it. And they know that to the point where there’s this thing called Level 1. Let me get it right.

Level 1. Mandatory. Mandatory Level 1 Anti Terrorism Trail that these people in the army to go through every year anti terrorism training. So what should be an anti Terrorism train. But it’s spitball if you’re asking my opinion. No, just like what should be in there? Anti terrorism. Well I guess looking for people that are saying things, the signs that you kind of mentioned before. But anyone that’s explicitly saying they’re going to do something illegal or horrible would be a great start. Yeah. And, and you would think something to mitigate it from happening, all that type of stuff.

So let me share a story of something that happened so you can look for this as a relationship, you know, in relationship to training. So here’s the point and I might not teed it up very well. This attack is in the anti terrorism training. So army, if you don’t recognize it as terrorism, why is it in your training? Like once you put something in there from Disney World, why not Snow White? It says relevant according to you. Snow White. Not a terrorist attack. This ain’t a terrorist attack. Why is it in your anti terrorism training if you don’t recognize it a terrorist attack? Ding, ding, ding.

You have because you put in your anti terrorism training. So I mean so, so between any of our country terrorists, it’s in your level one anti terrorism training but you’re clinging on to. I’m sorry, he didn’t call anybody. Is there like, is there a material benefit in addition to the recognition which is obvious for getting a purple heart. But does getting a purple heart mean you get extra VA benefits, money, extra privileges? Is there a reason why they’re being a tight pursed with their purple hearts? There’s no reason. And yes you get those things that you mentioned but it has nothing to do with that.

That, that I won’t say that’s a drive. That’s what they’re entitled. That they’re not, they are not withholding the award because of those incentives. No, there’s not like some, some budget where they’re like ah, we’re a little over the Purple Heart budget. We can’t just be giving these things out like candy. No. And if had he not himself said these things that I read to you, then I wouldn’t be talking to you about the purple heart. I would still say that he’s the enemy of our country. But he said those things to destroy America. And I’m going to try to kill as many of them as possible when I get over there.

And what else do you need? So I don’t know why they are hanging on the communicator. Foreign terrorist organization. I mean we’re talking about people here. So again it was change to be put in There man did that. Man can make the change that says you don’t have to be in communication with foreign terrorist organization. So a denial has been submitted. I mean, I’m sorry, a rebuttal has been submitted. And so the fight just continues. And that was denied by the last administration. I’m relying on this administration to turn that around. I went to, I spoke at the National Sheriff’s Association Conference a couple weeks ago in Fort Lauderdale and they had the director of the FBI there as well as the deputy Adjutant general and they did a fireside chat and they’re talking about the communication of sheriff’s office and those, those, you know, national agencies, etc, and partnering and how they work and all those types of things.

And they didn’t do that. And they talked about, you know, drugs crossing the border and all this type of stuff to the point where they both agree that cartels are terrorists. And I’m scratching my hair out, as you can tell, like just like that. Now drug dealers are terrorists, but this dude’s not. Are you? Me? So we can just swing that thing around any way we want to. But. But the Department of Defense is saying, well, you got to talk to somebody first. But cartels. Now, I know, I know, I know that the fentanyl is bad.

I’m not trying to deny that in that stuff is. Is good or it’s bad. I get that. I don’t necessarily. I, I don’t disagree with, if you want to call them chairs, I don’t disagree with that. They are inflicting terror on, on people, you know, with the drum. But if we gonna swing it around, then let’s, let’s let it stick where it should sit in this particular case. So I got everybody saying it, but I got nobody doing nothing. So I got to keep on coming shows like this and keep talking about it until something’s done because it’s just.

It, it’s. And no one has said. Looked at me in the eye and said, bart, they do not deserve the award. No one has fixed their mouth to say that. No one of any rank, any stars. It sounds like this is getting more caught up on some sort of linguistic legalese. Like because of this one very specific criteria that we don’t want to change. It’s not going to go your way. We’re not going to declare as terrorists. I mean, devil’s advocate for the cartel explanation. I feel like in the, in the legalese way, if you were to mince all the different words together, technically, if it’s a Mexican cartel and they’re affiliated with La Raza.

And La Raza has explicitly stated that, therefore, the downfall of America as a country, and therefore, if you are in a. In a cartel member that’s dealing with La Raza, that it meets all of those criteria. Even if you’re not actually doing something like throwing a frag grenade in a military headquarters during a war operation, that meets all the criteria. And they can check all the boxes. And if there’s a chance that the government doesn’t check one of those boxes, it feels very much like a, like military is a zero tolerance sort of atmosphere. It’s usually if you fall within these regs or you don’t fall within these regs, and then if you can like weasel your way out of it.

It almost seems just like a normal trait of any sort of government bureaucracy, especially within the military, to kind of like latch onto these things out of a principle. Like the principle is that you didn’t check this one box, therefore, you know, I can’t move forward. I’m sorry, until this box gets checked. Not to mention the fact you can change the whole damn box to read something different. Because again, man did that in the first place. Right, right. Do it again, man. Just has to make some edits, that’s all. Yeah, I mean, I, I obsess with the wise and like you said, it’s.

It’s hard to know why. Why would the government not want to give the. The purple heart? It’s, it’s reminds me of not a similar story, but one that happened around the same time. And I’m not sure if you’re familiar with this one. I can give you a little bit of the background, but it was Pat Tillman who I believe fell victim to friendly fire in May 2002. He was a professional football player. I think he played for the Arizona Cardinals. And he ends up saying like, I want to be an American. I want to fight for my country.

So he leaves a lucrative professional football career, he ends up joining Army Special Operations, and then in the middle of basically pure chaos. Because the, the story has come from a million different angles now, but the military didn’t actually acknowledge that it was even friendly fire until 2007. So it took them a good five years. And only because of there was extreme media coverage. The mother was kind of raked through the coals in the media. She was called all sorts of conspiracy theorists and whatnot. And they eventually turned it over because of that exposure. So I do think that you going on shows like this one, maybe other bigger ones too, that Just making people care about this.

How much of that is the inspiration for you turning this into a book, turn it into a screenplay, and ultimately a movie, is that the main driver is to, to get that box checked on whatever form is, you know, getting filed away by the military. Yeah, let me, Let me ball up a little bit more this. I appreciate you mentioning that. The Pat Tillman story in that regard, you know, depending on who I’m talking to, you know, so if I’m talking to those people that can make this decision, you know, I end with Pat Tillman per far and they know what happened.

And that had been revoked. Pat hip, Pat Tillman’s purple art. It was. Takes away nothing of his service. What it says is what you said. You got to have this, you know, absurd amount of. Of media pressure to get someone to do what they should be doing in the first place. So it’s unfortunate, but that’s what it takes, you know, so that’s why I’m here talking about. And I’ll keep on talking about until they get the award because they deserve the war, period. And yes, the dramatizing this attack is twofold. I want the world to know what happened, and I think it checks a few boxes in that theme, if you will.

And that the world needs to understand that attacks can come from the inside. This is what happened here in the end, as I read from the diary, long before he joined the military was a plan. Well, it wasn’t he the last. He wasn’t the last one to do this. Well, it happened again in 2009. That guy joined to do that. I don’t know. But one did in 2021, to the point where he was getting war plans and sending them to the enemy in the Middle east and wanting to deploy with his unit to help them kill fellow soldiers.

But he’s sending them our war fighting tactics. This is in 2021. It ain’t done. But Akbar led the way. So seeing this dramatized shows the world what’s in society is joining the military and to watch out for. And when we aren’t paying attention to it, this is what it looks like. Not just hearing me talking about it. I didn’t even go into injuries. And then you would have to visualize them out. That’s why I wanted dramatized, so people can see that this is what happens when we aren’t protecting inside our own borders. You keep on going down there in South Texas if you want to, but stop pretending like it ain’t in the inside already, because it is.

So When I’m saying the inside threat is closer than you think. And we keep running down to Texas. Okay, keep running down there. But what are we doing about the inside? Because it keeps happening here. So that’s why it needs to be traumatized. And at the same time, if those Purple Hearts aren’t awarded, then they’re going to see. Don’t get out of your seat when the movie’s over because you’re going to see something on the screen that says the soldiers and airmen killing wounded attack never received the Purple Heart. And if they have received about that time, you’re going to, you’re going to see something on there where it says that they didn’t receive it until this day.

Is there some, something that someone listening now can do? Is it just one of those generic, contact your congressmen and tell them that you’ve heard the story? Yep. Contact your congressman. You know, share, share this with them. You can reach out to me on LinkedIn, you know, buy the book. I’m sure that be. Be in the show notes, but that, that’s a call to action. Is, is so these Purple Hearts specifically for this I want you to know about and read the story that’s in the book. If you are responsible for hiring speakers at your organization or whatever to come out and share more than last year here with your audience.

Let me, let me bring this home a little bit. I got a quick little segment I’m going to play. I’ll explain what it’s about in just a second. Hey, conspiracy buffs. I double dare you to take some pcp. The Paranormal Conspiracy Probe. On your marks. Get set and go. All right. This is called pcp, the Paranormal Conspiracy Probe. You don’t actually have to do any real pcp. If you have some, feel free to take it. I won’t stop you. I’m physically unable to prevent you from doing that. But this is just going to be me mentioning a general idea and I want to get Your rating from 1 to 10 on how credible you think this is.

For example, if I say Bigfoot, where would you rate Bigfoot credibility on a scale from 1 to 10? 5. Okay, I like that. Leave a, leave a little room to be convinced either way. How about false flag operations, say like Operation Northwoods in which the, the CIA was planning to stage a civilian tragic event and then blame it on another country to justify invading that country. I’m not as familiar, so I’m going to take a zero on that one. I mean, I don’t want to speak out of context and Give numbers and I don’t have all the information.

Okay, that’s fair. What about the concept that 911 was an inside job? What’s my rating scale again? What? One meaning there’s no credibility in that whatsoever. Ten meaning that you, you believe that. And if the question is 911 was an inside job in other, in other ways speaking, that someone within the government either knew about it and didn’t act on purpose or helped plan 911 as an event. Wow. Mean, I’ve heard some, heard some conspiracy things, but I didn’t, I didn’t dwell into it enough. Would that be a five on the fence? No, it’s not a five.

I, I, I just, I, Based on you saying that the government. Not so sure about that somebody within the government. In other words, that it was not an act of isolated Middle Easterns in a cave planning against us. That someone within the, the United States government facilitated or at least knew about it and passively did nothing about it. It’ll get easier after this one, I promise. After this one. Knew something or knew that that attack was coming. Knew something was coming or knew that. Well, I mean, to get into nitty gritty, there’s, there’s four classifications of this thinking of this 9, 11 false flag.

There is the government had no idea what was happening and therefore didn’t do anything about it. There’s that someone within the government knew that was happening and didn’t act out of incompetence. There’s that someone within the government knew it was happening and didn’t act because it was advantageous to not act. And then there’s the most extreme in which the government knew about it because someone within the government planned and helped facilitate it from the start. So it’s sort of like the, I don’t know if this is a Rumsfeld quote, but like, there’s the unknown unknowns and the known unknowns and the known knowns and the unknown knowns.

It’s kind of like these four different catego. I’m gonna take a zero. Okay. That, that’s fair enough. What about the idea that humans. Let me, let me state it as a, as a statement, and you tell me how much you agree with this. 1 to 10. That a human being has stepped foot on the moon in the last hundred years. Wow. It’s a tough one. Now we go eight. Okay. How about the credibility in the footage that was shown of Apollo 11 mission, which is the, you know, the famous first step, small step for man, one big step for mankind.

How credible do you think that specific footage was. I would go to 10. What about. Have you ever heard the idea that the Hollywood director Stanley Kubrick was involved with creating a backup of the Apollo moon landings in case something went wrong and they needed to show something on tv? I heard that before. When you say his name. I feel like I have, but I’m going to take a zero. Ironically, he was the one that did Full Metal Jacket, which is where the Born to Kill statement comes from. Yeah, Yeah. I don’t have enough information about.

About that, but yeah. How about ghosts? Like straight up Victorian in a haunted house, floating down the hallway? How much credibility would you give that? I don’t know that it’s a. This thing floating. I think there’s, There’s. There’s something where. Okay, let me expand it to. To not be so specific as, like a dress and floating, but just a spiritual entity that can be detected or at least have some sort of an impact over our physical world. I’m going to use. Okay, I got. I got a few more and then we’ll wrap this up. I’m curious.

What is the. The likelihood that someone could summon a literal demon using. I don’t know, you go on Amazon and order how to Summon Demons for Dummies book and you just skip to the last chapter and start reading out of it. How. How likely do you think that that’s even a possibility? Even someone that knew what they were doing? I’ll give it a one. How about dinosaurs? And I. And I mean what I said, like, how much credibility do you give the concept of dinosaurs? As you might know, if you go to the National Museum of History and you see the big T Rex, you know, structure on the wall, as in it had that.

That, that was real and it wasn’t completely fabricated or like some sort of a hoax. How about dragons having ever existed in. In history? All right, I like it, man. Rational down to the very end. I threw a couple heaters at you and you were able to navigate them. So I do appreciate that. Yeah, those are good. Those. Those are good. You maybe do small. Do some homework here and just, Just to see it. And I, I think I look at the 91 1. It’s like knowing it’s. That’s a tough one. Here’s what I heard, and I’ll tell you.

I heard because I don’t live there, so I don’t. I don’t know. I don’t know what it looks like or what it would have looked like normally the day before. And that is ground zero. Having gone there two months after the attack. And I, I didn’t want to go. We were. There were some of us in town the color guard team from the 101st Airborne Division to Giant Stadium because the armed forces was penning these awards on should know these names on top of my head or Garner and Hufford, three of the original band of Brothers soldiers.

And so I, I pinned the awards on them at the 50 yard line of, of Giant Stadium. The Giants were playing the Cowboys. Okay. That’s why I was in New York when we had, when we left the next day the person we had escort from our hotel, New Jersey, you know, police lights, escort down to ground zero. So I had to go because we were leaving there and then going to the airport. But I didn’t want to go anyway. He was telling the story of how there were no cabs that morning. Like all the cab drivers.

There was no cabs to this attack on that day. So that thought came into my mind when you said like somebody knowing. So I had to get away from government. No one as opposed to someone knowing something. So you think about what you know about Newark. Again never lived there. Haven’t been there since that time. All north from tv turn TV and they’re showing Manhattan nicest cats everywhere. Right to be no cabs. Yeah. So that you know that that’s always stuck with me. If, if you’re open to any explanations or additional context on this I’d, I’d love to.

Outside of this love to send you a video because just like yourself, a gentleman had come on here that was an engineer and an architect and he represents a group called I think nine, 11 architects and engineers that have all analyzed the entire event and feel very strongly that there’s more information that hasn’t come out. And he has a lit. Like a long, long list of just strange anomalies. Anomalies that would make it seem that if you only found three of them it would give enough reason to more closely analyze something. And the list is way more than three.

It’s like 30. But that’s not what this is about. So I would love to just get your sight on that specifically because it sounds like it would be a fresh idea to you and I’d like to know how credible some of that is from someone walking directly into it. Because me, me and pretty much anyone listening to this is most likely have a bias one way or the other. And finding someone that doesn’t have a pre existing bias going in would be fascinating. All right, I’m watching what’s it called? I mean it’s like the London Train Attack.

So seven. Seven, seven. Yep. And watching that. So I’ll, I’ll finish up the night. I always have less less episode tonight. I might go back in summer three a little bit and you know they’re trying to ascertain like who may have known something or did they or not or and how could they have not seen this coming etc. Etc. So be interested to see how it, how it, how it ends. Well, people can find more about your story. They can find out about book if they want to hire you and have you do a talk or if they even want to invite you on to their podcast, which I highly recommend because this was a fascinating conversation.

They can find you@bartwomack.com right. Are there any other plugs that you want to give here? Any, any other events coming up or projects that you’re working on? Yeah, so. So I’m on LinkedIn. You can follow me there. That would be the best way to kind of contact me as well. You can buy the book from my website or just go straight to Amazon if you want to book me the one of those methods work. Coming up. Let’s see a couple weeks I’m speaking at what’s called the School Safety Conference in Petanga. And then I’m sorry, September, it’s an event that’s in Norfolk.

So I’m excited about the School Safety Conference because you know, you never know who the audience is going to be but if you have resource officers there, administrators, there won’t be students, I don’t know but I mean all of them are. I say my audience, you know, because I’m going to bring up some part where all them can play a role in what I’m talking about and for the most part either haven’t they haven’t heard it the way that I tell it and the way that I’m putting out a solution if you will, with these proactive strategies that everybody can do.

You know, the six year old student can leverage these if they know about them. And I tell the audiences that, you know, the guns we can, we can, you can stay on that because that work still needs to happen. But starting getting to the point where it’s Einstein’s definition of insanity doing the same thing, expecting a different result. That’s going to be a long road to somebody to keep doing. But if we exercise these strategies we can mitigate some of these attacks. There’s no solution proof method here. I think this one and I give examples of again after watching all these attacks where the thing was there but no one did something about it or the thing was there and someone did something about it.

Well, Sergeant Major Womack, I appreciate your 29 years of service and I appreciate you spending some time with me to tell your fascinating story. Thanks again for coming on. This was a really good experience for me to be able to ask you these questions and all the links that you mentioned, I’ll make sure that they’re in description and everything else below. So if anyone wants to hear more about this or read the book and get way more detail or even just reach out to you, all those links will be down below in the description. So thanks again for coming on.

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