Summary
➡ The text discusses a movie set in India, featuring various animals and landscapes that wouldn’t typically be found together in real life. The speakers debate the movie’s representation of India and its wildlife, and the possible cultural influences. They also discuss the voice cast of the movie, and the narrative themes, such as the main character’s desire to return to the jungle and the rejection of civilization. They also touch on the movie’s potential to captivate young audiences.
➡ The text discusses a movie, likely “The Jungle Book 2,” focusing on the voice acting, plot, and character development. It mentions how the movie starts with shadow theater, creating an interesting inception-like feel. The text also highlights the unusual family structure in the movie and the challenges the writers might have faced in portraying a romantic relationship between young characters. It ends with a discussion about the original “Jungle Book” and how the movie deviates from it.
➡ This text discusses various interpretations and adaptations of the Jungle Book story. It mentions different plotlines, such as Mowgli being accused of witchcraft and seeking revenge, and Mowgli discovering a valuable object that men would kill for. The text also talks about other versions of the story, including a Sony adaptation and various off-brand versions. It ends with a discussion about the concept of the jungle and village being separate entities, and whether people in the village ever leave.
➡ The text discusses a movie where a character named Mowgli is drawn to the jungle, despite the villagers’ fear of it. Mowgli’s song about the jungle’s rhythm entrances the other children, leading them into the jungle until they’re snapped out of it. The text also explores the idea of humans encroaching on the jungle, potentially leading to the extinction of various species. The author questions whether certain animals only exist because humans want them to, and what might happen if humans no longer needed them.
➡ The text discusses the idea of humans evolving to a point where they no longer need animals or jungles, possibly creating meat in labs and eating bugs. It also mentions the concept of synthetic food made from waste, referencing a movie where people unknowingly eat food made from humans. The text then shifts to discussing a scene from a Disney movie where a character is lured into the forest and hypnotized by a snake.
➡ The text discusses a movie where a character named Mowgli enters a secret society in a forest, led by a character named Baloo. The society is a place where everyone is welcome except humans, and they celebrate the absence of humanity. The text also mentions a potential sequel that was never made, where Baloo and another character, Shere Khan, are captured and sold to a circus, and Mowgli and his friends decide to save them. The text ends by discussing the ending of the movie, where Mowgli is able to live in both the village and the forest.
➡ The text discusses a movie, possibly the Jungle Book, and its deeper meanings. The protagonist, Mowgli, goes through a journey of self-discovery, learning to balance his primal instincts with his human side. The text also mentions a project called “conspiracy cards,” which are baseball-style cards featuring well-known conspiracy theorists. Lastly, it mentions various podcasts and films, including a Twilight Zone episode and a movie called 50 Shades of Black.
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Transcript
No, I never took another breath third prince, the angel of death has come we go from real to real I go this day open me a room and no more view I cook this ask about you I go business teacher go to everybody a co business focused upon a star a co business no long to shut by oh, a good business a new brand Pinocchio. Hello. Welcome to the Occult Disney podcast, where we go tromp, sing around the jungle. Not looking for mice in this case, but looking for baboons and elephants and panthers and tigers. It’s the Jungle Book two, which is not the second Jungle book.
The second Jungle book. But the second jungle book is a different thing. This is clearly the Jungle Book two. This is Matt here. Hi, Thomas. Who’s up? I’m ready to get mine controlled. All right, sounds good. I could do the binaural thing, except I can’t do that into one microphone. Can I get. I have stereo for that. I had a weird experience watching this movie and that you could tell me what your take was. But I thought the voice acting was very good. I thought the animation was very good. It looked really good. But I was like, there’s no point to this to speak of.
I mean, hopefully you have more of a point than I do, but it just, like, I think I wrote my notes. Sound and Fury signifying nothing is kind of what I got out of the Jungle Book, too. How about you? And I thought that I got a lot out of this. And funny enough, I thought the animation was not the greatest, not as good as it could have been for a movie that was a theatrical release. Or I get. I guess I kind of need to know where I should temper my expectations. If this was a straight to video that got promoted or if it was always going to be a theatrical release.
It’s one of our promoted straight to video ones, which I guess I was giving it that this was going to be direct to video cardinal. So in that way, pretty good. Lilo and Stitch would be like, the other side of that card, right where it, I guess, was always like. I think early on, they were like, it’s going to be theatrical. This was a late choice, like Piglet or Peter Pan. Two. It’s kind of Disney not having many theatrical hits that aren’t Pixar at this moment, and, you know, throwing everything at the wall to see what stuck.
This one actually stuck pretty well. It made worldwide 135.7 million on a budget of $20 million. So from a business standpoint, certainly. No, nobody was, you know, having a bad day with this one. Yeah, they printed money with this movie. And I. And I think my initial takeaway was that the reason for this movie to exist was as a straight up babysitting tool. And it’s like, one of the very first ones that it almost seems designed. And maybe just because I haven’t seen a lot of straight to video movies and we’ve been skipping those, but it had a feel to it, like, you’re going to plop your kid down in front of this thing and you’re going to go off and do whatever you have to do.
And don’t worry, we got it from here. No, some people credit all the direct to video stuff. Was kind of like kneecapping the whole Disney Renaissance thing. This is maybe them trying to pick up the pieces a little bit and being like, maybe we should get more theatrical. Which they should have decided early in production for the most part. Again, no one in this, no one’s a questioning the business decision of the Jungle book, too. I was looking at the numbers. I was like, oh, my God, it passed. 100 million. That’s actually. That means it’s, like, successful, Jeff.
And this, just to be clear, this is theatrical income, right? Or does this also include vhs and dvd sales and all that? No, no, this is theatrical. But worldwide, I believe we are getting the worldwide number. Oh, the music. Yeah, that was the. I knew there was something else I wanted to run. I thought the music was pretty good, so I looked it up, and that was Joel McNeely, who later did a bunch of scores for the Oroville, which tends to have very good music. So better than good, very John Williams like, which, you know, that’s fine.
And I don’t know if that completely fits the jungle book that took the sting away from the fact that, like, they’re doing bare necessities for the fourth time, they couldn’t write songs or anything. Just bare necessities again. Everyone knows it. Do it again. They’re going to milk the hell out of that. And I think that they’re just really pushing the communist angle. They’re like, you’re going to eat bugs angle. Oh, right, right. Well, we got that rolling with the first one. Although here’s a big takeaway that I got. I don’t know, maybe because I’ve read a bunch of, like, metaphysical books, things about India and stuff, and it’s like, this village, and you saying communism made me think of this.
So maybe there’s a connection. This village in, you know, like, the home of Hinduism seems to have zero spiritualism whatsoever, except for, like, a bindi dot on what’s her name’s head. Shanti’s head. Right. That’s about the only thing that even. And that’s just. That’s just window dressing, isn’t it? I just feel like a village like, that might have something a little more profound going on. I don’t know, even Indiana Jones and the temple of doom. You kind of got that feeling from the. The dying village where they had all the kids kidnapped. Well, so I love the reference.
There is some spiritualism going on here. It’s. Maybe this is why it’s occult Disney, because it’s really not totally on the surface, but this is real. Like, I did a little bit of homework on this one. I did some extra legwork. So in. In India, a lot of different places, they have specific rituals and rights in order to protect themselves from tigers, like, specifically Bengal tigers. And they have an entire goddess, and I believe I might have it most pronounced, but it’s like the Bon Bibi. The Bon Bibby. B o n b I. B I. Which is in some aspects, if you look at the origins, it might have been, like, Muhammad’s daughter or something.
It gets a little bit murky. And if I think you’ve got a picture Muhammad, we can pull up on the screen really quick, right? Oh, yeah, of course. No. Okay. I use them as my background, like a cartoon version. Someone drew it. But anyway, there’s this guy goddess bonbibi, which is the. The spirit responsible for protecting people from the tiger. And there’s also. And I guess the tiger is kind of run by this dude that runs the demon realm, where he’s, like, a demon. And forgive me, because I’m not, like, I had to just do my own, like, american style research on this, but it’s called Dakin Rai, and he’s basically depicted as this demon that can take the form of a tiger and prey on humans.
And, like, one of the main rituals involves, like, either banishing him or placating him before you go into the jungle, or to just protect your village from the jungle. And the reason that I even got into this whole tangent is because there’s a line that Shanti says to Mowgli, and. Or I think she’s speaking to Mowgli’s, her little brother, and she says, everyone knows that tigers don’t come in the village. And I had to think on that for a while. I was like, what do you mean? Everyone knows tigers don’t come into a village. That doesn’t sound like something real, but it is.
Bears come to a campsite, but it is real. It’s a real belief, because if you follow through these rituals and these rights, then the tigers aren’t going to come into the village. And in fact, if they do, it’s seen more as the village wasn’t keeping up their end of the bargain. They weren’t doing the right animal sacrifices in order to appease either the demon God that was represented by tigers or to this bomb, Bibi, who represents protection from that energy. But that little line where she says everyone knows tigers don’t come into villages is, I believe, a direct reference to this much deeper sort of mythology.
I was actually kind of wondering if I was being a bit ignorant, because when I was talking about spirituality throughout Hinduism, trying to figure out where exactly this is set. I mean, obviously India. But India is a very large country, and, like you were mentioning Muhammad, this could. I’m just curious how this area. It’s a mishmash, right? Because they show tigers and they show a sloth bear, which I had a find out he’s actually a sloth bear. And sloth bears do eat honey, money and bugs, primarily, which is, I guess, like, really on point with how they kind of cast baloo.
But the area where you would see a Bengal tiger and you would see monkeys and the jungle and ruins, and there’s even lava at one point. That’s like going under Shere Khan’s sort of, like, little hideaway. And crazy enough, I didn’t know this, but India does have active volcanoes, but you would never see all these different features and animals all in, like, walking distance, like we kind of do inside of this particular movie. But it is taking very aspects of India. And I guess, with that being said, it could be a blend of sort of being, like, Hindi, but it also might be a blend of being Muslim.
So that’s why. That’s why I was thinking about that. Yeah. And I was saying they’re looking at the map, I thought, but tigers live around there, but this feels like southern India, so, yes, it’s a mishmash. Okay. Which I was trying to apply a little bit too much logic. Tarzan. Right? Tarzan showed all sorts of animals that technically are on, like, the same continent, maybe, but they just kind of throw them all together because, you know, Disney, which is welcome to Africa. I mean, I guess the lion King at least kind of has a distinction of these animals living in a savannah and these animals live in the jungle.
So good for them on that, I guess. Right. But then they have lions. Yeah, they. Yeah. That’s a weird theme, right. That all these wild animal Disney movies are all being pushed to eat bugs. And I know the practical reason is because they don’t want to imply that they’re, like, killing other innocent animal. Like, they’re not killing Bambi and they’re killing rabbits and stuff. Right. It’s all. I guess we just don’t care about bugs unless we’re in the Bugs life movie. I was just listening to people on a podcast talking about playing the game. Lorcana. Do you know what Lorcana is? It’s the Disney magic the gathering style game.
Yeah. Yes. Trying to play that. But it’s one of the interesting things is to disneyfy it. Instead of taking away someone’s health and killing their character, you’re trying to build up points so that you, like, I don’t know, ascend or something, complete your mission, I guess. But it’s interesting. They take out the actual vine. No, no, it’s. Mickey Mouse is not. Is not clotheslining Pluto. This is a image of Mickey Mouse taken from, like, steamboat Willie strangling, you know, a thirties color version of Pluto. It’s not the real Mickey Mouse. Not real Pluto fighting, which I didn’t understand, was also smash brothers.
I never understood that. Smash Brothers is supposed to be like dolls that look like Nintendo characters that come to life and fight, which I didn’t know that till yesterday. So I just thought Mario was, you know, punching Princess Peach in the head. That might be one. That might be something that only Disney knows. Well, Nintendo in that case, but yeah, that apparently is the lore. So it’s not like, you know, Mario is beating his woman. It’s. No, no, it’s. It’s. These are dolls. They’re not the actual characters, which whatever. Who cares if you’re playing it like you didn’t know? And no twelve year old is going to make that distinction.
You know, Luigi would never hurt you. Yeah, yeah. In fact, he’ll. He’ll vacuum you. As I say, he’ll haunt you. Yeah, I guess, but yeah. Yeah. So, like you said, I guess that’s why I was thinking all the parts seem relatively well crafted. But yes, it’s a kind of a babysitting movie in the end. Uh, well, and I think there’s a really good, um. The main reason I even say that, and it kind of stuck with me through the whole movie, is that right when it starts, it sort of has this NLP slash hypnotic spell where they’re breaking the fourth wall immediately and you’re watching the movie, I guess, with them as like, a family.
Like, right before you even see the Disney, uh, buena vista logo on the screen, it has them like, okay, gather round. You know, let’s. Let’s all watch this together. And I was like, oh, man, this is totally, like, if I was, like, a four years old or six years old or something, and someone plopped me in front of this, like, you’re in the movie now. You’ve, like, they’ve broken that fourth one. It’s a little bit atypical for Disney theatrical releases. And it’s seen this, what, right here was like, oh, this will be perfect if it was a straight to VHS.
And I wonder how many straight to VHS Disney movies do something similar where it’s kind of self aware that it’s, like, gonna put you into a little bit of a trance so mom can go vacuum. Well, any movie does that. Or any movie that catches your attention does that, to a certain extent, right? But yes, a little more, like, formulaic. Like, they knew what they were doing, and it was, like, done with, like, masterful skill. Speaking of formulas, I was interested that the Disney proxy is not here at all. I thought maybe Shere Khan was, like, going to eat Jonathan Reese Davies or something, but that didn’t happen.
So I was expecting that, too, because they make a lot of insinuations, and he’s there to, like, kidnap, and then you think that maybe he’s gonna kidnap Shanti instead, but she kind of goes off on her own. But I. I would kind of insinuate that Mowgli is just still living the exact same life as a Disney proxy would. In fact, he can’t break from that Disney proxy programming. He has to get back to the woods, and he has to get back into that state where he’s separated from his family because that. Because he wants to go back to nature.
But also the natural state of being inside of a Disney movie is being orphaned and separated from authority figures. So. And we do have the return of the running off with a weird old man trope here. Right. That’s kind of the crux of the film, that he wants to do that again. He wants to go back. And, you know, Baloo being the weird old man, better than Merlin, but still a little odd. And also, man, this is like a rejection. This is the communists rejecting capitalism in a way, in that, like, he’s in this village where there’s probably some sort of shared economy.
Maybe it’s more socialist or something, but I. There’s kind of like a shared economy that they insinuate. And in this particular case, he’s like, I don’t want to be with civilization. I want to go back into the jungle. Which is the other weird thing, too, is that the jungle is preventing Baloo from trying to go and get Mowgli, and Mowgli’s family is trying to prevent him to go back to the jungle. So you’ve got. Mowgli wants to be in the jungle. Baloo wants Mowgli in the jungle. Almost everyone wants Mowgli in the jungle except the jungle.
But it almost seems it’s not personal, right? The jungle knows that it’s putting itself at risk if they let this human that’s supposed to be civilized back into the jungle, because he’ll probably attract the other civilized. There’s a whole. It’s kind of like a deeper logic to why he can’t go into the jungle just because he wants to and blue wants to. But this is him, I think, retreating from civilization and maybe some, like, you know, more advanced politics than let’s just hang around and eat bugs and not have jobs. So bestiality, Romeo and Juliet a little bit, I guess.
I don’t know. I don’t think of Baloo that way. I think Baloo is more of a parental figure. Yeah, I agree. I was just. I couldn’t not say a phrase like that when it popped into my head, you know? Did you catch any of the voice cast on this? Because it’s actually pretty loaded. No, I didn’t pay attention to any of it. It was good, because I didn’t stop to think at any point that it didn’t sound right, like it all sounded great. I’ll go through a few, and a few of them. You’ll be like, oh, yeah, of course.
Mowgli in this one is actually Haley Joel Osmond at the end of his original run of movies. It seems after this, he didn’t work for four years and then started, I guess, taking on slightly more adult roles because I guess he had a weird puberty. He looked kind of, you know, he went from cute to weird looking. Yeah, he went from cute to weird looking when puberty hit. So. So he did a few voice roles. 2003, 2004, or two and whatever. Somewhere around there. He did like, three, the country Bears movie, which I like, the hunchback of Notre Dame.
Two, he did a voice for that. He did this. And then it looks like he just kind of hung up his dancing shoes for a few years. So, you know, the rigors of child star Baloo was John Goodman. So I did look at the voice cast. So, of course, I just start thinking of Solly, you know, but Baloo is now sully. Kind of a lazier Sully, but yeah, a more chilled out Sully, but using that contract. Come on in, John, doing our voice. I already mentioned Jonathan Reese Davies is the village leader, so that tracks pooh the current poo.
Jim Cummings did ca this time around, which, if you’re watching that one, I felt sticks out. That was just. That was exactly. I know it sounded poo like in the original, but I feel like maybe more so in this one. He nailed it. Yeah, yeah. So again, I liked all the voice acting here. Shearer Khan was Tony Jay, who I, you know, kept. That’s when I started looking at a voice cast, because, like, do they get Rickman for this? He just sounded so Alan Rickmany. But look, Tony Jay is notable in his own right. He’s a, you know, Royal Shakespeare company guy, so he can.
He knows how to use his voice. Just one interesting thing about Rickman is he didn’t even start acting to. He’s like, 40, at least not on screen. I mean, I don’t see anyone else in here that needs to be shouted out. Oh, I thought it was weird they brought back the Beetlebirds. Oh, sorry. This is the vulture. Phil Collins is lucky, the slow witted vulture. So he is still hanging around the Disney studios at this point, making fun of the Beatles. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Which seemed weird. I was like, well, half of them are dead, and the other half are old in 2003, you know, so whatever.
I mean, I’m a giant Beatles fan, but, yeah, it’s interesting that you started talking about the smash brothers and the Lorcana, how they’re not the actual characters, they’re like, substitutes. For it’s like a weird inception thing, right? Like, little tokens that represent these characters. And this movie starts out in sort of a similar way where they’re showing Mowgli and they’re showing Baloo, but it’s not them. It’s like shadow theater. But if you. If you take a step back, right, this is Shadow theater being done by an animated figure inside of a movie that has no real anything in it.
And then you’re watching that behind a screen. And I just thought that was, like a really interesting, like an animated version of Plato’s cave where, like, the animation itself is another Plato’s cave. Like, it’s another inception sort of feel to it. And I just. With it starting out with that, breaking the fourth wall, and it leads directly into this weird inception state, it just. It felt extra powerful compared to any other Disney intro. I don’t know if I’m putting too much in that, but it really, really felt like, oh, they just put me inside a dream inside a dream inside a dream inside a dream.
And if you come back and tell people what you saw in the Jungle Book two, they will kill you. Well, if you tell them too much about what happens, try to detail the plot and excruciating detail, that maybe they will try to kill you. I don’t know when. And also when you were mentioning the lack or maybe the long continuation of the Disney proxy. There’s a lot of other inversions in this movie. That exact same point where I was expecting Shere Khan to kidnap Shanti, because, like, he hears about her, he sees her, she’s, like, venturing off into the jungle by herself.
But he doesn’t. He’s just using her to find where Mowgli’s at. But that moment would have been the perfect damsel in distress. Like, oh, no. His love interest that got kidnapped, a kid got kidnapped. It would have been kind of, like, perfect for all that stuff to link up. Um, but it doesn’t happen. And, in fact, she kind of has her own agency where she doesn’t get kidnapped, she kind of explores herself. She runs away, which is a total inversion of the most normal formula for that. And then there’s also this weird inversion that gets hinted at the very beginning of the movie, because Mowgli has this quote and he says, I never knew where I came from, but I always knew where I belonged.
And this seems like the exact opposite of my experience around, like, twelve or 13, where, like, you know where you’re. You kind of know where you come from, but you have like, you don’t feel like you belong anywhere. Like, it’s this awkward. Maybe that was just a me thing, but it seems like that’s kind of the universal experience, is that when you’re, you know, coming of age, you don’t really know where you belong. And it’s sort of this, like, luxury that Mowgli does know. He wants to go back to the jungle. Like, he’s already had, like, the sweet, sweet taste of freedom.
I guess now I kind of bopped off to the other side of the world. So you’re not wrong. I did find the family structure to be kind of weird and convoluted, because, let’s say, let’s take Aladdin. After that, it’s like, well, Aladdin and Jasmine can get married now, but Shanti and Mowgli are, like, ten, maybe. So they’re still kids. So they have this really weird setup where they have the little brother that’s kind of like this weird microcosm. Like, oh, they got together, and here it’s like a little family, but then there’s a bigger family with the mother in the village leader who don’t die.
And it just seemed like they were having trouble trying to work out how to make that happen with ten year olds, because it can’t be romantic. So it kind of is, though. It kind of is romantic. They imply it in so many different ways. Oh, they do all. They like you like her. But I thought it was weird that they kind of built that weird. Like, you could. You could see, like, the. I forgot what the little brother’s name is, but with Mowgli, Shanti and him, it’s like this weird microcosm. Ron John. That’s it. It’s. Yeah, it was.
I could see people in the writers room having headaches, trying to, like, work out how to do this properly, you know, sweaty, maybe. Well, it was. It was kind of the same. It reminded me of the dinosaur movie, where the dinosaur is just trying to get back to his own kind, and when he finally gets there, he’s like, oh, that’s why I’ve got this instinct, because there’s, like, a female version of my species that I need to mate with. So Mowgli in the jungle has no real option, right outside of maybe, like, a weird inversion of the edifice complex with Baloo, but, like, he has no real viable option.
And the second that he sees a human girl and they retcon all this, but as soon as he sees a human girl, it’s like, okay, I’m into. I’m into the village thing. Now I can leave the jungle. And it is interesting, again, I think a sign of being, like, having a little bit of mastery in this. It’s a little clunky, but they have this exposition where they’re. So that starts out when he’s doing this, like, this inception style shadow play. Right. And right at the end of the play, he talks about how Shere Khan gets lit on fire, and the brother, Rajan, he, like, jumps up and he attacks the screen that the shadows are being projected on.
And when he knocks it all over, he kind of ends this thing early, but he says, oh, don’t worry. Everyone knows how this ends. You know, you saw my sister in the jungle, and you basically had the hot spore, and you followed her into village, the end. And I thought that was, like, so smart, the way that they were like, oh, here’s what happened between the last movie and this movie in about 5 seconds. How deep did you look into the actual book, the Jungle? The second Jungle Book, which has nothing whatsoever to do with this movie.
I noticed that it didn’t have much to do with it, so I didn’t try and do a comparison, because this felt like even more of a departure than even Walt Disney usually had people do. Right. Well, there’s no reason to compare, but I was thinking, like, what if Disney had taken one of these? Let’s see. There’s 16 chapters, but half of them are poems. And not all the stories include Mowgli as actually the point of the book. But I can. There’s a few where I am like, could this work? Okay. One of them’s a prequel. The first one’s a prequel.
This story takes place before Mowgli fights Shere Khan. So it’s just. That would be the Lion King. What is it, one and a half or something, where they show little Simba having adventures in the jungle? Right. You could do that, I guess, maybe. Honestly, I mean, I would say Mowgli in, like, a GTA style game would. Pretty. Pretty awesome. Where you just, like, go between villages and jungle and stuff. That would be kind of assassin’s Creed style. Oh, geez. You are setting up the next one. Letting in the jungle. Mowgli has been driven out of the human village for witchcraft, and the superstitious villagers are preparing to kill his adopted parents.
Mowgli rescues him and then prepares to take revenge. That never was going to be this movie, but I’d like to see that one. Wait, wait. That’s Jungle Book three? Or is that part of Jungle Book two there. That’s two. There are many. It’s a bunch of short stories in this one. Wow. I. Now I really need to read Jungle Book two. Okay. I’m not. I’m not finished. I’m not finished, by the way. Okay, let’s get going. The kings. The king’s ankh Ankus Mowgli discovers a jeweled object beneath the cold layers, which he later discards carelessly, not realizing that men will kill each other to possess it.
Okay. Yeah, sure. That. That’s too hardcore for this Disney movie, but that’s a. That’s almost like a weird version of Indiana Jones, it sounds like. Which itself was based on a Disney property, so it’s all full circle. Now. Here’s a story just about a teenage Inuit boy and girl set off across the Arctic. And that, guided by mysterious spirit animal, is an arctic. A jungle? I don’t think so. That’s a desert, right. Okay, here we go. The spring running. Mowgli, now almost 17 years old, is growing restless for reasons he cannot understand. On an aimless run through the jungle, he stumbles across a village where his adopted mother is now living with her two year old son is torn between staying with her and returning to a jungle.
He’s not 17 in this movie, but otherwise, I guess that would be the closest. That’s the one, yeah. Sounds the most like it, but I don’t think anyone at Disney animation actually read that story. I think it’s just, you know, that’s one obvious way to continue the story. They weren’t allowed to read it. I want the one where he’s. Where they call him a witch, and then he gets revenge. I mean, that’s the one I want to see, I guess. There is a movie called the Jungle Book two as well, which is different than this. The second Jungle book, Mowgli and Baloo with Roddy McDowell.
Okay, it’s. What is this one? Okay, I’m not gonna. This one seems like a mishmash. It seems to follow the jungle, the second jungle book, just as much as this does. They just use the title a little more overtly. Who made that? That’s not Disney, is it? Sorry, that’s the me looking for stuff. Music. Sony. Okay, that one’s Sony. So. So who did live action ones in the nineties? I guess I didn’t go see them. You know, I was in. I was late teens, and those were not on my radar. Are we not going to get to those? Are those nothing to do with Disney? The live action jungle books, that one is Sony.
And the one from a few years earlier, I would assume, is also Sony. I didn’t know that. I always assumed that those were Disney remakes. There’s the quote unquote live action Disney remake from about eight years ago. But that’s one of those ones was really just a CGI movie where they threw a kid on a few green screens, right? That’s the ticket. I mean, this is one of those things like Tarzan, where there’s just so many versions of it. An italian japanese anime, the Jungle Book notes adaptations. A jungle book cycle of music. I didn’t even know that existed.
I wonder how many of the non Disney Jungle book adaptations just get some of that, like, Disney Splashover, because either someone gets it by mistake, or it’s cheaper, it’s the only one there. Or they really like jungle books, so they go and they get the other jungle book stuff. You know what I mean? Like, I wonder if there’s a viable market in just doing kind of like the asylum pictures version of every Disney movie in the nineties. For sure. For sure. Think of again, the supermarket. You know, VHS shelves were full of that stuff. They didn’t have actual disney movies there.
Japan. Lots of. Lots of. You’ll find tons and tons of off brand, you know, Cinderella and jungle book and stuff. Yeah, storybooks as well. That might be fun to just do a few, like, off brand occult Disney. I bet we still have one around here because. Yeah, you know, like. Like, we did have, like, the lot of the actual movies, but, you know, you just. You end up. When you have a kid, just a few of these things just end up in your house and you don’t know how it got there. I guess they send them to you in the mail sometimes, you know, get subscribed to our crappy animation thing and get crappy, crappy stuff.
Here you go. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But if it’s, you know, grandma who doesn’t care, maybe that sounds great, you know? So there was a spot here where the chick, Shawn T, she says, you know, everyone knows tigers don’t come into the village. And then Rajon, her little brother, he says, tigers go wherever they want, which feels like the most obvious foreshadowing ever in any Disney movie. But this led, and I just want to have a little excerpt for this legend of Bambibi, which is, again, the influence for that. Everyone knows tigers don’t come into villages, so it comes from a few different books.
But one of the main books is the Sundarbans, probably pronouncing that horribly and it’s basically talking about this protector of the forest and all its inhabitants, and that in the legend, Bombibi was sent by Allah. So we’re probably not talking about Hindi here, but sent by Allah to protect the people of the Sundarbans from the dangers of the forest and that the locals would pray to Bambibi. And there was actual banishment ritual that involved mustard seeds. And I guess mustard seeds in this particular religion are known for, um, they would scatter them around the village and were known for cleansing properties.
So almost reminds me of, like, in, I guess, medieval or even, like, western magic. They use salt. Like, salt will protect you. You put it in, like, a ring and everything. But I guess mustard seeds is another version of that. And. And mustard seeds in particular keep demons at bay. So I just thought that was particularly interesting. I guess there’s the other side to the, uh, the ascetic looking for enlightenment and, you know, meditating in caves and in jungles and stuff. And the idea there. And I’m not, you know, I don’t have the cojones to try it.
But in that case, the tiger simply doesn’t bother you, which I don’t know how that works out. I guess the people that came back to say the tiger didn’t bother them didn’t get eaten by the tiger. But also, wouldn’t you have people, like, watching over a village in the middle of the night? It just seems like an, like, a neighborhood watch kind of situation. If there’s even a chance that a Bengal tiger or a bear would just be able to walk over a couple pebbles over a river and get into your village, I mean, they got in completely undetected, and they were able to have free reign.
So it just seems like it would be really obvious to have a watchman somewhere in the village. Well, I’m thinking about 20 years ago, I was working at, like, a summer camp or whatever in Pennsylvania Poconos. And we had. It was like, first, like, a little rumor, like, I think a bear is around. I think there’s a bear around. And then there was a bear around, and then myself and, like, maybe two other teachers, like, kind of followed it, like, maybe a hundred meters behind and make sure it didn’t go in a dorm or something. But there was nobody, nobody watching, right.
It’s just like, hey, is that a bear? And then they asked someone else, yeah, that’s a bear. And, yeah. So we were lucky to notice it, I guess. I don’t know. Maybe we shouldn’t have been following a bear but we were like, we don’t want to go into a kids dorms. There were kids staying at that time, so. Well, you were at least aware of it. And there’s another, I guess, weird part of this movie is that they imply that no one ever leaves the jungle, which is kind of another alternate weird concept to keep in mind, where if you’re Shanti and you’re afraid of the jungle, and everyone tells you, never go into the jungle and the jungle won’t come into this village, does that mean that anyone ever born in this particular village just lives and dies in that village? Because they never go outside of that.
It seems impractical, but. And I. And I realize it’s probably not like an absolute, like, maybe there’s a few shaman or a few, like, hunters that can leave the village and we just don’t meet them in this movie. But it’s almost implied that, like, once you’re in the village, you stay in the village, like M. Night Shyamalan style. I imagine it would have some traitors. Okay. M. Night Shyamalan style. They were not. Well, Mononoke had the, you know, the indigenous village, right? So that was kind of hidden away. And the idea was they stay put. So the fact that was his name leaves, is, you know, the.
Willie gets exiled, doesn’t he? So. Well, she mentions being scared of the jungle. And Mowgli is like, he can’t process this idea of being scared of the jungle. And in fact, he goes into this whole musical number, like a jazzy blues music. He turns black for about five minutes as he sings this song. But. And it’s a really catchy song. It’s called the jungle rhythm, I think. But the. The lines inside jungle rhythm. So it goes immediately from Shanti saying, paraphrasing, I’m scared of the jungle. I’m not going to go into the jungle. To him being like, can you hear it? Can you hear that rhythm? Can you hear the rhythm of the jungle? And then he just starts dancing and singing.
And one of the lyrics in this song is feel it steal your soul. And he’s singing this, and as he’s singing feel it steal your soul, all the other kids in the village, they kind of form a line behind him, almost pied Piper style, direct in my notes. He almost pied Piper to all the kids into the jungle. And he gets them over the river until shanti sort of snaps herself out of this hypnotic spell, and she screams, stop. Which is kind of like that breaking pattern if you’re, you know, trying to like, break yourself out of hypnosis or something.
And it snaps all the kids except for Mowgli, because he. I don’t even think he was intentionally, like, pied pipering all these kids, but he wanted to go in the jungle like he was singing from his heart. And they just. It’s almost like there’s an inherent need for them to expand their knowledge and get out of this village. And he just tapped into it immediately. But, man, like, they are in an absolute trance. And when she says stop, you can see him, like, shake it off a little bit. Like, oh. Oh, yeah, what are we doing? This is crazy.
And then they go back to the village. I just thought that was real, really fucking cool. And then he gets grounded for doing it. My note later is that this is all a psy up to get Shanti into the village, into a jungle. Excuse me, with that being the first thing. And I guess they’re going swing jazz, because I wrote, I don’t think anyone equates the jungle to swing jazz. I thought that was a weird good song. Weird choice, weird joy. I don’t hate it. It’s. It was really, really weird, but in a great way. I get, like, they pulled it off really well.
Possibly the reason is the one character that’s very missing from this movie is Louis Prima’s character, which I’m looking at the wrong page here now, but what’s his name? King Louis is not here. They even go to King Louie’s pad and they’re like, oh, he’s not here. You know, because they took it over. He’s right. But that’s because they’re having legal troubles because with the Louis Prima estate. So that’s why King Louis not in this movie, he does show up in the remake. So by 2016, I guess they had the legal issues sorted out. Sort out the legal issues.
That’s right. So the 2016 one, he is there. I do remember actually watching that, like, not long after it came out and, like, not hating it, but it also. That might have been, like, babysitter mode. Like, my daughter’s seven at the time, and. And we watched it. So I don’t. I guess it’s not babysitting if you’re watching it with her. But, yeah, that was, like, the last time I watched one of those remakes and was like, okay, this isn’t so bad. After that, you know, the bottom kind of fell out for me, I guess. Well, and speaking of babysitting and infantile mindsets, again, the communism angle gets pushed, like, really hard in this one, I guess it’s just because of Baloo and Mowgli, but that, again, like, if there was one nugget that they keep like a magnet, they keep getting pulled back to.
It’s this feeling of, like, I don’t want to work. I want to do whatever, which is not the communism I think they would end up with. They really got everything they wanted, and everyone kind of fell into the same plan. Well, let’s see. He describes the jungle twice in this movie. Yeah. He describes the village as everyone works and no one plays, which, after that, I wrote, you’ll own nothing and you’ll love it. Which I guess you were kind of getting at earlier, but what other. Oh, oh, here’s a weird quote, just because it sounded so Crowley.
Like, did you catch this one? Tonight’s the night we’re going to bring out the beast in you. I don’t know. It felt weird. That’s a great one. Yeah. Yeah. I think that. I think that was in King Louie’s old pad, where they say that possibly, but I thought that was interesting, like, okay, you’re back in the jungle, but we have. Now we have to, like, what’s the word I’m looking for? We need to turn your trigger on now or whatever. Right. You still smell like the village. You need to. Oh, God. What does it activate? We need to activate you.
That’s what I was looking for. I had to think of manchurian candidate, and then I could think of the word activate. But, yeah, it was kind of like, okay, you’re back. Let’s seal the deal. We’re going to bring out the beast in you. And of course, I’m hearing the beast, and I’m just thinking of. Well, actually, first I’m thinking of the X Men, and then I’m thinking of Crowley. But that’s. That’s because I grew. Yeah, that’s where my door close. But I had my. I had my own tangent on this, and I can’t even explain. It connects in my head.
I can’t explain to you how it all connects, but when I was trying to think of why does the jungle care so much about keeping Mowgli out? Like, the elephants are part of plan B. And, like, when Baloo gets over this bridge and they can’t stop them, the elephants come in and they block them. And, like, the entire jungle knows about all these ways to prevent Baloo from going to get Mowgli and preventing from Mowgli from entering the jungle, they’ve got all these different sort of firewalls. To prevent this from happening. And it only would make sense that they would have this much effort and plans if Mowgli was, like, a crazy, vital threat to the rest of the jungle.
And here’s where the tangent comes in. I was like, like, okay, yeah. So maybe, like, the worst case scenario is that if Mowgli gets hurt, or if anyone gets hurt, the village will take it out in the jungle. They’ll go in and say, you know what? We need to just take out all these bears and all these tigers to keep ourselves protected. That, or if the humans go into the jungle and realize, oh, this isn’t so bad. It’s not so scary. We should expand. We should chop some tree. We should put a McDonald’s over here, you know, like that.
That might be the two sort of outcomes. And if those are the outcomes, if humans did expand to the jungle and kill them all, and I swear it connects, I can’t explain how that, I think, draws a line back to the mononoke thing again. Isn’t that basically what’s happening in that movie? It’s a ferngully kind of thing. But the end. The end result of that, right, is that humans wipe out the entire ecosystem, all the animals and plant. Like, it’s all gone. Humans take over all of it. And then I was like, well, that’s kind of what happens now, right? Like, we just white.
Like, we’ll go into a rainforest and we’ll wipe out, you know, probably species that we didn’t even know existed, and now they’re gone because they. They have high biodiversity, not bioavailability or whatever. I can’t remember the exact phrase, but basically there’s lots of different stuff, but maybe not lots of each different thing, right? So it’s really easy if you wiped out an entire rainforest anywhere, that you would probably eliminate, like, an entire species that no one even found yet. So if humans keep doing that, right, if we ever figure out a way to create, like, lab grown meat, like, if we don’t have to hunt the tiger or the cow or a pig or whatever, and we have no real reason for it to be around, do they just go extinct? Like, do.
Do elephants only exist because humans want elephants to exist? And alligators and any animal on the endangered species list, does it only exist because humans, almost in an altruistic, maybe self serving way, but it’s, you know, the alien zoo, twilight zones and stuff, where, like, they just keep a human just because it’s a novel thing for kids to look at and, like, there’s no other real reason for it to exist. So if Mowgli in the village takes over the jungle and they knock everything out and let’s say they even put, like, cows, I guess cow wouldn’t work because if, you know, they’re in India, like, maybe they revere the cow, but if they revere it, right, there’s no real reason for it to exist anymore, though, because at that point, humans would already kind of have, like, self served everything.
They’ve evolved to the point of not even needing a jungle to exist. So the tangent I was going on is, like, at one point, is it just all humans and bugs and there is no other animals because we’ve learned to just create their meat in a lab and there’s no real reason for the real thing to exist. Well, that comes up a lot. Again, we do eat bugs, and this prefecture, they’ve been doing that for hundreds of years. You need bee larva, you need some locusts. Toy covered locust. I tend to avoid those. But is it idea to just, like, have it once in a while just to, like, acclimate your palate for when we all go full bugs? Well, I had the locust.
This was funny. This is maybe ten or more years ago. We were, like, at a rural restaurant and run by very old people. And I don’t know if they were, like, trying to mess with me or whatever, but it’s like, here’s service. Here’s a free appetizer, which was the inaga, which my daughter is three at the time, she just started chowing down on them, so she seemed perfectly happy to eat some bugs. I ate one. The taste was fine. But it’s a bug, and the leg gets in your tooth, and that’s not cool. That’s not fun.
Up into a powder and turn it into a flour, and you bake a little whatever out of the flour. I think all that goes away, right. If it. If you pulverize it to the point where there’s no mandibles and legs to get caught in teeth anymore, then you could slip that into anything. Like, I would. I would say probably taco Bell’s probably got like 5%, you know, like, man crushed mandibles in their food. They just name it something silly. Yeah. I mean, when you have that delicious chocolate chip cookie, I mean, how much rat feces and bug parts are in there? There’s a little bit, right? All the good parts.
Yeah. All the yummy parts. Yes. That’s a delicious part of your cookie. So speaking of, again, this, maybe people knew this one but I just always thought it was weird that baloo was eating bugs and honey and stuff. But sloth bears, native to India and Sri Lanka, they. Even though they’re technically omnivores, their diet is, like, over 90% bugs and honey. It’s literally insects, fruit and honey. And it only changes, um, at one point of the time in the year when, I guess the bugs go into, like, hibernation or something, and then they just eat fruit.
And their main, um, source of protein is basically termites. They just eat termites. So that’s what Baloo would really be looking for all the time. But that sounds like way more work. Like, that’s a lot of work to. To get, you know, fine termites and drill them out of some kind of, like, a log and. And eat them all up. There’s a lot of biodiversity. It’s. It’s the jungle. You get jungle rot things. Or maybe. Maybe you don’t have to go as far. I don’t know, bugs. You won’t get the honey, though, right? They keep telling us that the.
The bees are disappearing. So it’s just bugs. No honey. I think that’s fine. Um, what’s like, uh, getting back to Star Trek? There’s discovery. They go to the distant future, and the guy’s talking about how all of their food is synthetic now. And the apple he’s eating, it’s actually made of recomposited feces, so it’s a delicious apple, but, you know, it was recently. Crap. Literally. I mean, if no one told you, you wouldn’t know. If no one told you, you would know. That’s right. So. But as soon as someone tells you, like, do I want it? My buddy, we have a running joke because he.
When he. He’d visit every few months, and every time, he’d start telling me about how Kyoto University was making a hamburger out of feces, so. And he kept telling the story, like, every time he’d show up. A few drinks are probably involved, too, but. Yeah, like, dude, I know. It’s a good. It’s. Honestly, it’s a good question. What. What if there was a super cheap, highly nutritious, good tasting food that you could sustain yourself on forever, but it was made out of people? Yeah, I guess. I guess so. Like, so Soylent Green, a great example. So if we go the Soylent green example, right.
I realize the whole spoiler alert premise of that movie is that it’s like this dystopian horror movie where it’s like, oh, my God, we’ve been eating people this whole time. But, but, but, right. There’s another way to view that movie. And it’s like. Like it’s almost doing a dis, devil’s advocate, but you’re almost doing a disservice to humanity or society at large by telling them it’s made out of people because this might be the only real way for them to get sort of like a renewable protein source. Right. So the second you tell everyone Soylent Green is people, then they stop eating Soylent green.
Well, now they’re going to all die of, like, malnutrition, I would assume, because Soylent Green has no reason to exist if all other forms of protein were, like, readably accessible and affordable, which is not the case in Soylent Green. Have you seen that movie? It’s been a while, but, yeah, I’ve definitely seen so. And Green. Yeah, it’s. It’s like the miracle food that, like, you can put it in everything and people are, you know, and they’re just using it everywhere. And then finally they slowly realize, and the guy tells everybody, you know, so. And Green is people.
That’s the big thing. The other big thing that people forget in that movie was the assisted suicide centers. Once Edward G. Robinson’s character gets fed up with living in a crowded dystopia, you know, he goes to a nice uncrowded building where everyone’s wearing white robes and, you know, looks like an apple store, and they take you into a big theater and show you the nature that’s gone while they, you know, pump in the chemicals to off you. So it’s like, if you’ve had enough, hey, there’s a real nice place you can go and die and think about it.
If you. If you were living in a Soylent green reality and you come to terms with it and you’re okay with Soylent green being people, then the people that aren’t okay with it, they end up being your Soylent green. Like, it’s this perfect sort of system where it’s. If you’re like, I cannot live with the idea that I’m going to be eating other people. Then you get to become food. Eat or be eaten. Okay. Like, literally. It’s literally eat or be eaten. I. Scrolling through my. That’s a good point. Clearly, we’re on bug day, but that’s fine.
We’re in the jungle, so it makes sense. I’ve got a couple other weird ones where Shanti gets lured into the forest. There’s a really interesting point. Sort of like a Joseph Campbell hero cycle plot point where she’s about to go into the forest, and she hears her name being called, and she makes a very conscious decision, like, nope, I’m going to go into the forest. So that was a really good way of, like, showing that crossing the threshold, sort of point of no return, where she’s, like, made her mind up. She’s going to go into it anyways.
And then as soon as she gets into the forest, she sees this illusion of Mowgli, which ends up being an owl. It kind of looks like owl from hundred acre wood, which made me wonder, like, in a Disney logic sense, like, how far away is 100 acre wood is it? I don’t know if you’re caught up. Lays on top of it. When Baloo was underwater, flounder showed up for a second, like, what’s flounder doing there? It makes. Honestly, it makes me think that maybe these are all different realities in, like, a quantum way. They, like, sit on top of each other, occupying the same space.
So this is 100 acre wood, in some cases, animation studio, right? She gets tricked by this silhouette of owl from hundred acre wood that looks like mowgli at first. And then she gets hypnotized by Ka, which is my favorite thing ever. Like, ka is, like, one of the coolest Disney characters because he just gives them, like, these MK ultra hypnotic eyes. And she gets kind of, like, lulled into that. So they show you her, like, initiation. She’s entering this forest. She’s entering the unknown at night. So she’s about to, like, go into the darkness. She gets hypnotized.
And then the very next scene is, we’re talking about a secret society. This is the secret city, which Baloo has taken over from King Louie. And then they even have this really weird. I swear it was like, an NLP mind control programming series of triggers. But mowgli’s asking Baloo or blue’s, like, this is the greatest secret hideout ever. Everyone knows about it. And Mogul, he’s like, well, if everyone knows about it, then how can it be a secret? And then Baloo and I feel like. Like I got hit in the ties out of this one. But he says, anybody who’s anybody, nobody who’s nobody don’t know nothing about no place.
And that everybody who’s anybody knows about. And I had to, like, rewatch that a few times, and it did make sense if you listen back to Lynn. But it just. It’s like, so many different negatives that, like, invert each other that it seems that whatever came after that I blacked out. I blacked out, like, 15 minutes. Whatever happened else in the movie? I have no recollection. Yeah, I think that’s where I got the beast quote as well, by the way, from that song. I’m looking at my notes. That’s the spot. So. And when Mowgli says, like, I don’t get it, baloo literally tells him, he says, turn off the thinker and just dive in for a second.
So if. If you understand the premise, right, that we’re watching this, we’re, like, in our forties, right? So we’ve been around for at least four decades. But if you’re like a six year old or an eight year old and you’re watching this and you just straight up get this, like, everybody knows about it, you know, anybody who’s anybody, nobody who’s nobody don’t know nothing about nobody. Like, you just hearing all this, you’ll just gloss over, and you just hear Baloo, your only remaining parental figure through Disney proxy, tells you, turn off the thinker. Let’s just dive in for a second.
Like, you are now fully engrossed into this and accepting. And again, it goes kind of into, like, a. Like, a communist sort of mantra. Turn off your mind, relax, and float downstream. Or to go downstream. It’s one of those two. And there’s one other really interesting part of this, like, secret society, secret city that Baloo is running with all the animals, and Mowgli is there to, like, participate in it. And they’re all, like, singing and dancing. But all of the singing and dancing revolves around how basically everyone’s allowed there except for humans. And that there’s even a line in the song that’s something about, like, we didn’t learn from no human folk, and that it’s an in.
It’s. He goes, it’s inhuman, baby. But the way that he says it’s inhuman, baby is, like, a good thing. It’s like, no, it’s good that there’s no humans around here. So here we’ve got Mowgli that’s left humanity. Enter the jungle again, and he’s celebrating the lack of humanity. So I just. I thought that was really interesting, that they’re basically. And it makes no sense, because when he says, we didn’t. We didn’t take anything from any humans, they’re saying this in, like, the fallen ruins of, like, a human civilization. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that’s. That’s part. That is the part that, if nothing else, they did very well in the 2016 movie.
I remember them doing a pretty good job with the King Louis sequence being like, that’s the part of the movie I can remember. So not one we’ll necessarily get to, but I don’t feel. I mean, if people are like, do them, but I don’t feel a giant urge to hit the remakes. I don’t know. Are there any of the remakes that caught your attention? Did you watch any of them? Because what do we got? We got the Alice in Wonderland kicking it off, then Maleficent. I think that’s about when the Jungle Book hits. And after that is when it’s probably a bad idea.
Cruella. The Cruella DeVille movie, I thought was a really good remake. Okay, maybe. Maybe I’ll have to check that out sometime. But. Yeah, but this is one where I was like, well, I think I can actually give a proper to. To that 2016 version. It wasn’t. It wasn’t that bad. The quote, the communist quote from Baloo is, never broke, never squawk, never work. Don’t need to punch a clock. Or I might be paraphrasing part of that. So, yeah, he doesn’t want to work. And Mowgli was complaining about rules, rules, rules, and, like, work, work, work, and that he just wanted the exact opposite of that.
So I just. Again, the village description is everyone works and no one and nobody plays. So it’s, you know, put in very stark contrast in that scene, I think, which makes them all the more susceptible to that pied Piper dance. Right. If everyone had their own creative outlets in that village, then I think they wouldn’t have been so led on by Mowgli’s weird little hypnotic dance. But because they have no other outlet, he served as, like, the one outlet. And I don’t know how much of this was meant. I guess it’s a Disney. So it was always going to be a musical no matter what.
But one of the specific traits of the people that honor that demon God, the demon that turns into the tiger, as opposed to the bb character, who they would worship to kind of be, is, like, preventative. But the demon God of the tigers also would attract musicians, not in the movie, but in, like, the actual mythology. And he kind of represented music. So you would play music in order to appease this God. So not only is Mowgli kind of using music to bring everyone out into the forest, but even when they say they see Shere Khan at the very end, when he finds Mowgli and he finds Shanti, they start playing drums, they start playing music literally at him, like, they’re trying to distract him.
They’re trying to disorient him by banging on all these different huge, like, gongs and plates. Right? But that, it’s. It was so interesting because that’s literally how you would be worshiping Shere Khan. It’s not. You wouldn’t use that to attack him. You would use that to appease him. Actually, is interesting, there was a canceled sequel, which actually, I don’t know why they didn’t make it, that this one made a fair amount of money. Maybe it’s the actors. I don’t know. Probably not their voice actors. Okay. Anyway, in 2003, a third installment to the Jungle Book was planned.
It would have been about Baloo and Shir Khan being captured and sold to a russian circus, which sounds a little bit like Madagascar three, if I remember correctly. And Mowgli, Shanti, Ajan and Bagheera deciding to save them both. Over the course of the film, Shearer Khan regrets his hatred against humanity after the events of the previous two films because of his capture. It eventually reforms after Mowgli and his friends rescued them. The project never materialized, but they were gonna look like they wanted to bring Khan into the fold for the next one. I don’t know which.
Maybe the music took its works after a while is my thought there. By the third movie, the music is taking hold and now all Shirakan is the God is helping them. I kind of don’t like the idea of any of them going to a circus just because right now, jungle book one and two, they kind of exist in a nondescript time period. Like they could be existing right now just as much as they could be existing 100 or 200 years ago. With the second you bring a circus in, now we’re talking, what, 20th, 21st century? Automatically, someone may have said that in the writer’s room, and that’s why it got canceled.
But again, they didn’t make it. But I thought it was interesting that they’re like, okay, now let’s. Let’s make sure Khan, a friend, he’s going to be one of our buddies in the next one, which, if you’re appeasing the God, sorry, I can’t spit out the name I think you have written down. But if you’ve appeased the God, now, now the tiger’s on your side, right? Yeah. It was trying to kill you actively, Daken Rai. And I’m positive I’m pronouncing that wrong. But Dakin Rye, the ending scene of this movie, is extremely Disney movie, of course.
But I think in this case, it kind of undermines the whole thing. Like, Mowgli’s chose his path now, so. But in the end of this movie, no, he can have his cake and eat it, too. I’m like, well, any. Any point this movie had, you just undermined by having, oh, you can just go right out of the village and hang out with Baloo, no problem. Maybe. But again, if. If you start with how the movie, like, opened up, it’s through shadow work. Like, literally, it’s Mowgli doing shadow work. Right? I mean, it’s a shadow play. He’s doing shadow work, and he basically, he’s struggling with learning how to be a human, and he keeps wanting to revert back into an animal or embracing his animus, right? And this almost made me think, like, this isn’t the Jungle book.
This is the Jung old book right here. We’ve got this kid going through a hero’s journey, but he’s rejecting sort of the natural progression of how he’s coming to understand the world. So he needs to revert back into that primal animus. And then the anima, represented by Shanti, also gets lured into that jungle. So when he comes back out, he’s kind of represents the. The completion of both. Like, he’s integrated his shadow work, so now it makes sense that he can traverse between the village and the jungle as he pleases, because that was the whole point was, like, this whole movie was about Mowgli integrating his kind of shadow self and his animus.
Yeah. My snarky notice, they just had to do bare necessities one more time. You know which communism is the way here? We’ll prove it. Here’s a catchy song. Yeah, I mean, that was in the movie three or four times. It’s like they had no faith in the songs they made for this movie. And, like. Like we said, the couple of them weren’t too bad, so. Yeah, they didn’t have faith in the series was a low point just because they were also not even, like, going all out and doing the full song. They were, like, weird little half ass remixes.
It was weird. Yo, yo, half ass remix. Get down with it. Yeah. Okay. The worst type man ever will be saying that. Did you have any other rabbit holes you wanted to stick your nose into? No, I think. I think I got way more out of Jungle Book or the Jungle Book, too, than I ever expected to. It was a serviceable movie, and despite maybe you not seen it on the surface, I really do feel there was lots of really deep mythology that was Bae and maybe this is just one of those weird synchronicities where it just kind of lines up with real mythology.
I don’t know how much they went into this the same way that they completely departed from the real Jungle book two, where apparently Mowgli does witchcraft and he gets hunted down by the Puritans. Yeah. No. I started off this podcast saying I thought this movie was a lot of sound and fury signifying nothing. I found my actual quote that I wrote, which is, this movie is sound and fury signifying nothing. But we will find lots of rabbit holes. So that was clear watching it, that there was. There’s the devils and the details for this one. I guess it’s not like a big overarching, other than we’re gonna eat bugs.
There’s not like a big thing here, but there’s lots of small things, right? Like tiger gods and such. And it’s integrate your shadow work, and everyone wants to revert back to the jungle, but we’re beyond that. Like, unfortunately, we just can’t. And in some cases, it might be for the sake of the jungle. You know, it’s not even for you to be protected. It’s like, we need to protect the jungle from us. Have you. Have you had any jungle time? Spent some time in the jungle? I actually did. I went to Peru to go to Machu Picchu, but on the way there, we had to stay at a bunch of different places.
And there was, I don’t know if it was aguas calientes, which isn’t technically like a rainforest jungle, but it was like, jungle environment atmosphere. And the guy that I was traveling with left the bathroom window open overnight and the light on, he got up in the middle of the night and, like, used the bathroom and left the light on, left the window open. And when I went into the bathroom in the morning, I saw every color I’ve ever seen represented as bugs in that bathroom. There was like, flying bright pink things and crawling bright blue thing.
It was the. It was the weirdest, most scariest thing. I was like, one of these things in this room could probably sting me and kill me, and I wouldn’t even know how to describe it to anybody, but it was. It was crazy. Like, there was probably like 40 or 50 different species of bugs in the bathroom that had been attracted by the light overnight. You hadn’t had ayahuasca the previous night? I had not. I was tempted, but we were on a tight schedule. I did go pretty ham on the coca leaves and the cocoa tea everywhere.
Well, you have to in high elevations, don’t you? That’s like survival capillaries. It lets you. And I had a shaman offer me a not. Yeah. Peyote, I believe. I think because there was a town called San Pedro, and I was just. I asked someone, I was like, like, the cat. San Pedro cactus. Like, is there as the San Pedro cat? And this guy, like, over her. It was a long story, but long story short. Yes. This. This, like, questionable shaman wearing a Wu tang shirt was like, hey, I can get you some peyote. Hmm. Yeah. Yeah.
Questionable shaman. I don’t know. I haven’t been to Peru, so I don’t know what the vibe is. Yeah. My only jungle is Okinawa, which is like, that’s jungle for babies, right? I guess, you know, you can walk around on roads, that sort of thing. So I guess we’ll wrap things up for today, I guess. Tell the good folk about your September, as we are plowing into September now, I’ve been doing a lot of work on the NASA comic. It’ll probably be shipping. If you’re listening to this, it should be shipping pretty soon. And it’s gonna have embroidered patches, but also, I’m gonna be throwing in some free conspiracy cards.
I don’t know if I’ve even mentioned this to you. It’s. I got a million projects going on all the time, so I tend to not talk about them until they’re, like, ready to go, finally, because otherwise you’d just be hearing about it for years. But conspiracy cards.com, it’s still kind of in the works. But. But I’ll be including some of them in a bunch of the different orders. And what. What the heck are conspiracy cards? Well, for example, I just finished designing ten or 20, and this portion of the little series, it’s got kind of conspiracy theorist mvp.
So we’ve got Art bell, Alex Jones, William Cooper, Isaac Cappy. We’ve got, like, just a Ted Gunderson. Just like, a long, long list of well known and lesser known, but they’re all been updated to look like classic 1990s Don Russ and Flir and Topps. Baseball cards, like, went all out. I, like, absolutely meticulously tried to match everything about them and then just twist a little bit. But basically, you’ve got a bunch of baseball cards. But all the baseball cards are various conspiracy theory figures. That’s got, like, a swastika on his baseball helmet. No. I was about to ask you if you’re making the.
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And once I’ve got, like, a whole chunk of cards in each of those categories, then there’ll be sort of like a rule list that’ll show you how to play a game with the cards that already kind of released. So I’m kind of baking stats in and, like, numbers and, like, almost like Gematria into some of the cards just so that they can later be used as kind of game tokens. So it’s all coming. It sounds crazy, but I swear it’s been, like, well thought out for the last few years here. Loopholes in the game based on Germantra.
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