➡ The text is a transcript from an episode of the Paranoid American podcast. The host welcomes a guest named Crux Conception, who has a background in criminal profiling and hostage negotiation. They discuss their shared interest in Wu Tang Clan, Crux’s law enforcement family, and his experiences as a homicide detective. They also touch on the importance of not giving away more information than necessary when dealing with state agencies.
➡ The text discusses the concept of ‘Officer Discretion’, which allows police officers to decide whether to prosecute someone based on their judgement. It also talks about the importance of community policing, where the police and community work together for safety. The text also mentions the ‘sovereign citizen’ movement, where people believe they have certain rights that exempt them from laws. The author shares personal experiences to illustrate these concepts.
➡ The speaker discusses their feelings of disillusionment with the country, their experiences with cybersecurity, and their beliefs in various conspiracy theories. They express frustration with the government’s handling of certain issues and share their experiences with hacking and cybersecurity. They also discuss their belief in various conspiracy theories, including the existence of aliens and the authenticity of the moon landing.
➡ The speaker shares his experiences as a twin, a coma survivor, and a retired detective. He talks about a near-death experience where he saw his deceased grandmother, and his skepticism towards telekinesis and psychic investigators. He also discusses his career as a detective, his unsolved cases, and his thoughts on internet sleuths. He ends by discussing a controversial case he’s investigating, where a young man’s death was quickly ruled a suicide, despite suspicious circumstances.
➡ The speaker, a former homicide detective, discusses his experiences in investigating cases, particularly those labeled as suicides without sufficient evidence. He also talks about his team of retired professionals who help him investigate cold cases that are at least 15 years old. He shares an anecdote about a social media profiling class he once taught, where he accurately profiled a man’s criminal activities, only to discover the man was the husband of a student in his class. This incident led to the cancellation of the class and his decision to avoid social media profiling in the future.
➡ A man recounts his past experiences, including a complicated relationship and his work in law enforcement. He discusses his expertise in reading body language and detecting lies, and shares some techniques used to beat polygraph tests. He also mentions his interest in mental health and his TED Talk on active listening skills. He encourages listeners to reach out with cases for him to discuss in future conversations.
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➡ The speaker shares a story about a bull to illustrate his philosophy of not rushing into situations. He discusses his experiences as a police officer, dealing with people who challenge authority and cause damage to their own property. He also talks about his concerns for the future of the country, predicting a potential divide due to political differences. He believes that a charismatic individual could potentially rally those who feel wronged, leading to protests and possibly a movement. He also mentions his expertise in profiling and understanding people, and his belief that this skill allows him to foresee potential issues.
➡ A series of mysterious deaths have been occurring at Lady Bird Lake in Austin, Texas, where bodies, mostly of white Hispanic males aged 20-40 working in software development, are found. The circumstances surrounding these deaths are unclear, but it’s believed that the victims are approached under false pretenses before ending up in the lake. The lake’s current and water conditions make it difficult to preserve the crime scene and find evidence. This situation has sparked numerous theories and discussions, particularly in the true crime community.
➡ The speaker discusses their belief that the government isn’t always truthful, leading people to seek their own answers. They compare this to a personal story about a woman they were attracted to due to her mysterious nature. They then discuss a case involving the Lady Bird Lake killings, expressing doubt that Wayne Williams, the accused, was responsible. They highlight the lack of evidence and the many unknowns in the case, suggesting that the killer was familiar with the area and knew how to avoid detection.
➡ The speaker discusses their experience in law enforcement and criminal profiling, emphasizing the importance of using accessible tools like geomaps and census statistics for profiling. They also highlight the challenges of investigating cases involving bodies found in water due to the complications it brings to autopsies and evidence collection. The speaker also mentions their method of explaining their profiling decisions, unlike the FBI, and the value of critique in improving their work. They also touch on the importance of public communication in investigations, using the Atlanta child murders as an example.
➡ The speaker, a former detective, discusses the unrealistic portrayal of police work in TV shows. He shares a story about a woman who believed police could collect DNA from the air due to a TV show, highlighting the misconceptions created by Hollywood. He also mentions how these shows often depict advanced technology that real police departments don’t have. Lastly, he talks about the romanticization of police work and how it doesn’t reflect the reality of the job, including the paperwork and the emotional toll it can take.
➡ The speaker discusses their experiences with the inner city and their journey to success. They also talk about the prevalence of police shows and their idea for a new show about a hostage negotiator. They mention the development of technology in law enforcement, such as license plate scanners and potential autonomous police cars. Lastly, they discuss the fear people often feel around police, regardless of their personal circumstances, and the power law enforcement has to affect people’s lives.
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Paranoid America, huh? Yeah. W. All right. Welcome to another episode of the Paranoid American podcast. Today I do. I’ve been keeping notes and like a little inventory. I know it’s silly and I’m almost positive that you hear this constantly, but I keep a tally on all the coolest names that come on this podcast. And on the last one, we almost had a reigning champ to Sam Believe, who runs an ayahuasca retreat in South America. And like, you’re running an ayahuasca retreat, your names Believe. But today I’ve got Crux Conception, which I think now you’re like, you’ve got the crown.

You’ve got the coolest name that we’ve had on the show to date, which actually saying something. So welcome Crux Conception to the Paranoid American podcast. Thank you. It’s my pleasure to be here. Yeah, it’s a. It’s a pseudonym. I got. I love that name. Everybody asks. I got it off of a Wu Tang named Clan Generator on the Internet. So there’s like Childish Gambino. Yeah, yeah. You know. Yeah. Oh, my God. You. You’ve heard the story. Yeah, yeah. That’s where the rapper got his name, Donald Glover. Okay. You should. I mean, I got goosebumps because I’ve told this story so many times in the past three years.

And you’re the first one. First one ever says it because I say, hey, he played in Star wars, he does this and nobody knows, but you know. Okay, well. And I guess. I guess not to make this about me because it’s going to be totally about you and your research. But yeah, I actually shot a large portion of a documentary about Old Dirty Bastard with race on and 12 o’clock. I got some albums that I was working on with 12 o’clock, who’s cousin of O Dirty Bastard. And. And I was on the Wu Tang reunion tour in 2006.

Bag all the footage and backstage. Okay. Orlando. I’ve heard they call. They call Orlando the 8th Borough. And I’m sure they call a bunch of cities 8th borough. But. But apparently a lot of Wu Tang and Wu Tang affiliates end up in Orlando at some part. And I was just right in the middle of that, the right time. I was going to school that had a bunch of audio engineers in there. So like just the stars aligned. And I grew up on Wu Tang too. I remember like the first big concert I went to was a Kill army concert.

My whole. My whole thing about conspiracy theories and paranoid American. It probably came from that album Silent Weapons for Quiet wars, which is. Listen to Riz’s Little Brother, who I’ve also got a track with. Maybe I’ll. You know. In fact, if you listen to the intro on this, this particular video, you’ll hear the one that I did through Kill Army. So I’ll post that in. So first time anyone’s hearing it. I’ll put that at the beginning of this video. Ghostface Killers. Oh, man, I even. I got a perfect rhyme if I ever get to meet Ghostface Killer.

And it’s like Tracy got shot in the face. Her. The house was overcrowded. It’s off of song called Nutmeg. It makes no sense at all, but it’s bad. It’s. I mean it’s like what are they talking about? And I just love. I fell in love with Ghostface after hearing that song, man. All right, we’ll keep talking because I got another show where we break down albums and stuff. So yeah, I think we can have fun with that. So let’s. So let’s get into who cross Conception is first of all and like, why we’re talking where I found you.

So a couple. I’ll give your credentials first and I’ll let you introduce yourself. But you’re a PhD candidate. You got a master’s in psychology, you were an expert co analyst on a CBS show called Real CSI Miami. And you kind of specialize in criminal profiling and hostage negotiation, which is a pretty bad ass repertoire, I got to say. Like, so congrats on all that. But yeah, what did I miss? What can you fill out? And more importantly, where can people find you if they want to find more of your work? Well, I’m. Hopefully we blow up when my brother.

When my twin brother retires from the FBI. In January, we’re going to come out with some things. But right now, you can see me on social media. Everything is crux conception. Yeah. If you look it up, crux conception, you have me on social media. I don’t have a website yet. I’m starting to get one. I’m starting to develop one because we again, I have over 24 years. 24 years of law enforcement, federal, state, local, and if I talk too fast, let me know, I’ll slow down. We can do that in post. We could just run you at, like, half speed.

So with that said, I come from a family of law enforcement. There’s approximately 17 family members, either retired or active, that were in law enforcement. My mom calls us the black version of that TV show Blue Bloods. Okay. So, yeah, from my grandfather, my great grandfather, my father, my twin brother, twin cousins. I got a family in Boston. One’s a couple troopers on Massachusetts Police Department. Got a Jenkins in. In Boston. She’s a prosecutor, and one’s ahead of the police department at mit. So, yeah, we. Yeah, so law enforcement. But the funny thing about it is I’m the one in 1994, when I stepped out of that car as a rookie with that hat on and stuff, everybody looks at, how the hell did you get them? Because I’m the black sheep of the family.

Yeah, yeah, I. Yeah, I’m the dude. I’m the one. If my dad took us to go see goodfellas, I’m the one sitting rooting for the bad guys. So, yeah, that’s probably why I love profiling so much, because I love to get in the mind of a criminal. So even the black sheep of the family ends up a cop. So are there any. There any non cops in the family? You got. You don’t have to mention any names, but you have any, like, family members incarcerated or, like, about to be? Okay, here’s something funny we could talk about now when we had to fill out our background check for me for the marshals and for.

And I’m not gonna mention my brother because. But for me, I’m speaking for myself. And they ask, do you have any known felons in your family? Relay like this. And I put not to the knowledge. And then that’s what everybody does. If you look at all the background checks, even local, state, if they say not to my knowledge, that means they know. They just don’t want to say it. So if you don’t know that. I don’t know. Exactly. Yeah, I guess we’ll kick it off with some good Tips for dealing with, I guess, any sort of state agency.

And that’s the. Don’t give them more information that they asked for. You know, like, there’s usually no benefit in it for you whatsoever. You know what? You’re right. You are. You are absolutely right. There is no benefit in it. And I. The show of 48 hours, I. I couldn’t stand it when I was a homicide detective because it would give away all our secrets. I sit there and I’m looking at these people interview. I’m like, ask for a lawyer, dude. Ask for a lawyer. And they just talk to the cops without asking for a lawyer. And I said to myself, I said, one day, somebody, a smart criminal is going to watch that and they’re going to learn something.

And that’s why it’s a good show. But it was too good. So why do you think that it. Why do you think more people don’t? And I guess I’ll assume a little bit because usually the implication is like, you know, I can go to the judge and I’ll tell him, hey, this guy’s really helping us. And, like, judge doesn’t care. Right? The judge isn’t going to listen and be like, hey, he was real helpful. He still did it, but he was really helpful about it. It’s like, yeah, exactly. Now, for me, I had, you know, if somebody messed up or something and they asked me to help them out and they would help me out on the case, I would go to the prosecutor or judge and say, hey, I know they did this and that, but if we can, you know, show some leniency, because they’re about to make me.

They’re about to help me break a triple homicide. I appreciate it, you know, something like that. So I got a question, a little bit of a tangent, but on kind of this particular topic. It’s a fascinating subject to me, and maybe it doesn’t make sense on why I’m so fascinated by it in an easy way to explain, but this concept of cops being able to determine if they want to prosecute you on something, there’s a specific name for it. Officer Discretion. Yeah, so Officer Discretion seems like such an incredible power because it can change your entire life just based on how you’re treating them, what kind of mood they’re in, like all those things.

But it’s also almost like weaponized, where it’s like, you know what? I’ll just let you go this time. But if you hadn’t. Or is there anything in the car, sir? If I find it and you didn’t tell me, like. Like they actually have that ability to just be like, you know what? Be on your way. And you know what? I think I had. I was on for 24, 24 years, and I think on my 23rd year, I had that. We can do that. Look, we’re on an investigation of my partner. We’re on a gang unit stopped someone, she had a warrant, and he looked there and said, all right, you turn yourself in next week.

And she did. And I was like, I didn’t know we could do that. And I looked it up and we could do that. It all depends on what type of warrant. But I thought I was always told the minute you click that mic and run that information, the minute dispatch comes back and confirms that It’s a signal 14. Well, in my jurisdiction, the signal 14 is a warrant. You gotta take them and. But you can. So, yeah, it’s officer discretion. My dad was big at that. When I came up, I used to hear stories, and like they say, man, your dad.

I was drunk one night. I had no business being drunk, man. He pulled me over, he took my keys, drove me home, picked me up the next morning, and we got my keys. Now that’s. You know what? There’s a difference. There’s police, you know, police. Hey, police officer, how you doing? And then there’s police. Police. Police is who the neighborhood knows. Police is who gives you a break. Police is who you call when you really don’t really want to call the police. But you could trust that officer. That’s real police. And in Baltimore, you got real police.

Some. Some segments of Chicago, you got real police. So I tried to make real police here. It wouldn’t work. They was too bad a book. So. Yeah, so. Yeah. Yeah. Well, community. Community policing is almost like a two way street. Like, the community’s got to support it. The police have got to support it. They got to, like, work off each other. And if one of those channels breaks down, then you no longer have community policing. You just got regular old state, you know, sanctioned violence, essentially. Right? Yes, yes. All right, well, and I got one other tangential cop question since.

I mean, like, your whole family is just like, you know, you got the DNA, how much validity. And I’ve got my own idea about how much validity is the sovereign citizen movement have you ever encountered in your entire life or any story where someone was like, I’m not driving, I’m traveling, or they had like one of those homemade license plate. Has anyone ever gotten off on sovereign citizen. You know what I. In all my Life, in all 24 years. And I live in a red state. And you see sovereign sentences in the red states a lot.

And in my 24 years, I never ran a clock across one. But when you mentioned it, I know exactly where it was. It was on McKinney street in Fort Wayne, Indiana, probably the 1300 block. It was. A yellow house was right across the street from a golf course. Golf course. A MacMillan Park. I ran my. This guy, somebody said he was causing a. A disturbance or disturbance or. No, he was, but he was burning. Burning something in his backyard. And he couldn’t. City limits didn’t allow that. So I’m at this time, I’m a detective, but I hear the radio call, I’m in the vicinity.

I let dispatch know I’m ahead there too, to assist. And I had a computer in my unmarked squad car, and I ran every time. I mean, cops do this a lot. I don’t want. I don’t let y’all know, but they run your place if they behind you, even if you didn’t commit a fraction. That’s why I tell everybody, get your lawyer. If you get in trouble, get your lawyer and have them pull the records of every text message that they sent on those screens. Because sometimes they say some bad things and records get. When they ran you, when they ran your license plate and when they stopped you, because if they ran you like 20 minutes and then.

And then 20 minutes ago, and then they just now stop you, that means they were looking for you. That means they. They. They target you. But nobody does that. And I live in a city where lawyers, defense attorneys and lawyers and prosecutors get along. So you’re not going to get a lawyer. And not to say anything bad about them, but I, As a homicide detective coming up, I used to go and we used to go to like after hour or what’s it called, when you go, when you get done, drink, when you get done. Get after hours bars.

Yeah, yeah. After hours parties. We used to go to judge after work, things down on Columbia street. And all of us would hang together. And I’m like, wow, I wonder if the defendants ever saw this. What would they think? You know? But yeah, the. What we were talking about. Yeah, the sovereign citizens. Yeah, the sovereign citizen man. And I do that. I get off. I get off tangent sometimes because I’m just so. I’m just so excited. And if I talk too fast, please let me know. I tell my students if I’m teaching online, they’ll go, breathe.

And I was like, okay, that’s Their key. I won’t stop you, bro. I like it. I can keep up, man. I like more information fast. We can handle it. So. But yeah, the sovereign citizen and I ran it, and this guy. Oh, my gosh. And that’s the. You know what? In the Academy back in 94, when I see I’m getting old, I can’t remember. They never taught us that. We didn’t. We never learned anything or heard anything about sovereign citizens because really, in the night, that was 94. And we really wasn’t, you know, Timothy McVeigh, 9, 11.

None of that never happened yet. You know, some of these ingrown groups and stuff in grown. I hate to say ingrown terrorists because I hate to call my own countrymen terrorists, but these ingrown groups, they. They didn’t come out yet. And so we didn’t know it, so we had to learn it on our own or either during supplemental training sessions. And with that said, this guy freaked me out. This dude, he looked right through you, but he wasn’t angry. He. And see, that’s the perception I had because I didn’t know anything about him. I thought they were angry and they hate cops.

He was real cool and polite. And after I left, I told him he couldn’t do the fire. After I left, this dude burnt his whole garage down on purpose, man. Just make a statement. Yeah. I’m sorry I had to drag all that out, but I just. That’s the. That’s the butt of the story right there. He burnt that whole house down. Next thing, I drove by. There’s fire, everything. Putting it out, he just did. I can do it out of spite. He did it. You think? Yes. And I’m like, wow. Yeah. I was like, okay. And that’s when I said, like Kevin Hart said about mf.

What do you say about those fighters? Cage fighters? He said, they real. They exist. They. Yeah, yeah. These people are real. They exist. They hear. Yeah. So, I mean, you’re the profiler here, and I wouldn’t say that necessarily. Sovereign citizens means you’re a criminal. Usually means that they’ve heard something somewhere, been sold on this idea that I almost liken it to, like, a game genie. It’s like they whip out a game genie and they’re like, oh, no, DXQ4. And all of a sudden it’s like, I got infinite lives now. I can fly. But it doesn’t really work like that.

Like, not every cop knows how the game genie works. Yeah. And you know what? Yeah. Nine times out of ten, I I think, be honest with you. I’m one of those old cops. I don’t know if you’ve ever seen the TV show or the movie colors. When he told him at the end, Robert Duvall said, he said, hey, man, let’s go down. He told him the story. Let’s go down there. The baby bull to the Papa Bull said, hey, dad, let’s go down the hill and make love to one of those cows. He said, let’s run down there.

And the papa Bull said, no, son, let’s walk down there and make love to all of them. And, you know, that’s the philosophy I kind of took because I didn’t push it. I didn’t go back because. But you got some officers out there that want to challenge him because they got that gun and badge. But sometimes it’s best to just say, okay, you burnt your own property down, Nobody’s hurt. Only thing damaged is your own property. I’m a write a report and I’m going to go about my way. But some people want to take it to a next level, want to throw things.

The next thing you know, you got a Ruby Ridge going on. So, yeah, we don’t want that makes sense. Well, and I mean, ironically, like you said that when you were coming up, you hadn’t really heard that much of sovereign citizen because Oklahoma hadn’t happened yet and Waco hadn’t had. You know, what else is like, it was basically Ruby Ridge happened and then Waco happened and then Oklahoma City. So it like, it escalates. And that’s probably also why you got so many more sovereign citizens, because of all those other things that added up to that. And I.

After November, whoever. Two things as a cop I never talked about was religion and politics. I made a mistake. The day I retired, I talked about religion and I was in Toronto, Canada. This couple, they brought me a drink and we were talking. I was telling my. Just retire. I was giving a speech and stuff, and they asked me a question, and like a dummy, I told him. And then I told them why I didn’t vote for who they wanted me to vote for. And all at Double Toothpicks broke loose. I mean, they. They even told the bartender to take the bill.

I mean, make me pay for the drink because they bought me a drink. So I ended up having to pay. Wow. Yeah. And I’m like, y’all ain’t even from America. And y’all, y’all getting mad and y’all can’t even vote, you know. So my thing was, I was Talking to somebody and about come November, I truly. And this is serious, I truly see a change in our country, whoever wins, because a lot is being thrown at. Okay, let’s say the losing side, whoever it is, the losing side, you gonna get a lot of stuff thrown in your face.

You gonna get this, you gonna get that, you gonna get that, you gonna get that, you’re gonna get that, and you go and you’re just gonna get upset. And then there’s gonna become. There’s gonna come this articulate individual, this charismatic individual, and putting his hand over maybe a who got jilted by the new incoming person party. And notice I’m not saying which party, because everybody. I think everybody’s on opposite sides. You’re going to have that person, and that person’s going to make them feel something, and that person’s going to tell another person. Next thing you know, they’re going to meet in a warehouse, and next thing you know, they’re going to meet outside.

Next thing you know, they’re going to petition to have permits to march in the streets to protest. And that’s how it happened in Atlanta. When Atlanta in the 80s became all black, oh, they didn’t like that. They start. You start seeing white supremacy at its highest when Atlanta got its first mayor and Atlanta wanted to be called the Chocolate City. You’re going to see a lot of different things on the left side. If certain individuals get certain things that other people who’ve been here for a long time can’t get, you’re going to see disgruntled. And I really feel bad.

I tell people, like they say on the TV show the Wire, you might want to tool up because it might get. And I’m my friend, I say, hey, I don’t think I’m. I mean, you may think I’m crazy or conspiracy theorist, but one thing I’m good at in life is I’m too. I’m good at three things. I’m. One is profiling, Two is knowing people, and three is profiling. I mean, you should see my library. It’s nothing about books, about psychology, getting to know people, killers. And I really think that I can see somebody saying, I had enough.

We’re going to take a stand and they start. And you’re going to start seeing a movement come on. And a movement that’s going to divide us even worse than what it is that. I mean, you’re not going to get called a conspiracy theory here. That’s kind of the whole theme of everything I do. So if anything Like, I can match whatever your conspiracy level is and we can go. I mean, can you see that happening? Yeah, I think the way that I see it too. Exactly. It doesn’t matter who wins or who loses, but, but this will be for a lot of people.

They’ve been building up emotion for the last four, eight, whoever knows longer. A lot of people, this is their first election they’ve ever gone through. So there’s a lot of new emotions that a lot of people haven’t gone through and felt dispassionate. I don’t know if anyone really cared a whole lot when it was like, you know, previous elections. This one definitely feel. But like you mentioned, there’s going to be someone that’s frazzled. They’ve, they’ve like traumatized themselves from media and just like getting worked up into political issues and they don’t have a known release because otherwise they wouldn’t have gotten frazzled in the first place.

And it just takes one smooth talker to be like, hey, I got this. And if you can make that feeling go away or pacify it some way, then they attribute like all those solutions of the world to this person, even though all they did was they knew how to play with your emotion and your trauma a little bit. So that’s where I’m at. Is that the. And I’ll one up the conspiracy on here, but I will say that the media knows this, politics knows this. They know that it’s like this. The same way that if there’s a global pandemic, for example, then all the corporations are like, oh, everyone’s so freaked out.

This is where we can add 80 cents to everything. And that’s kind of how like inflation bumps up because there’s chaos. And you can use that chaos as cover. I almost see these election cycles as that chaos. So that all those smooth talkers, they use that as cover and they’re like, okay, I’m going to go recruit. Like, this is the best time to invest. If this were like your stock market, you know what? Yeah, because if I were, you know, because I always, when I talk to my students, when I teach class, I always remind me to tell you about the social media profiling class I had.

And then I got rid of quickly. What happened was we talk about these things and I was telling my class, you know, I said, just imagine, I see, I said, two people tried to kill our former president. Two people tried to kill our former president and they had no declaration on which side they were left, left or right. I said, you all you need is one charismatic person, one person who knows how to. Who has the gift of gab. One person who knows how to say that that’s all you need is one. Because. And then I say to my students, how many people think it was just those two shooters out there that feel like that? I’m not saying they’re a part of a group, but how many? And everybody said, no, there’s more than that.

I said, yes, and all you need is one person to get those people together. And we got problems. Yeah, the Joker putting together, like, the Arkham Asylum, right? Yes, the Joker. Yes, exactly. Yes. So, yeah, I mean, if you go back on, like, any of the biggest cults, the scariest cults, and the scary, like, even, I guess Charles Manson’s a really good example too, right? This just his rhetoric and his ability to convince someone to something means that he doesn’t actually have to take part in any of the violence. He can just make it happen. So I understand what you’re saying 100%, so.

And I will ask you about the social media and profiling class, but let. Let’s get through this one. Ladybird Late killings first, and I’m going to give you the highlights that I gleaned from the case study that you sent me, and then you can tell me the things that I maybe missed and fill some more then. And these are the absolute basics for anyone that’s not familiar with the Ladybird Late killings. They apparently took place somewhere around May 2021 through October 2023 and beyond, maybe because no one’s been caught yet. At the time the. The original case study was done, there was 13 different deaths, maybe more.

I went and I looked right before we started recording. A body was found on September 29, which was just a month ago, but it was not ruled a homicide because someone had seen somebody just acting a fool by the lake earlier that day. And then that person was found in the lake. But no one knows what happened between point A and point B. But the point being that more bodies show up here. And whenever it seems that a body shows up in Lady Bird Lake, now you’re going to have articles and social media like, the killer strikes again, which probably makes it a little bit harder to parse the weed from the shaft a little bit.

So Lady Bird Lake is in Austin, Texas, and I had to look this up. It’s about two miles away from the comedy mothership. And that’s where I know that Austin is like the whole big comedy scenes coming up. And Joe Rogan’s got a club there and K Tony goes there. This is basically walking distance. This is two miles from where that happens is Lady Bird Lake. And this is where they’re finding all these. These bodies. And the bodies tend to be males, White Hispanic males age 20 to 40. They seem to work in computers, right? Like software development.

Kind of affluent and that it seems that the person that’s doing all this maybe has something in common with that and. Or affluent and maybe that they don’t have any sort of criminal history. So it’s. I guess the assumption is that they’re coming up to people under false pretenses. Can I buy you a drink? You want to smoke a joint? Hey, I got this cool place we can go and hang out. And then something happens and then that person ends up in the lake. But because the lake’s got a current and the water, it kind of destroys the crime scene.

And it also kind of masks wherever the actual place is happening where they’re. They’re dying or getting drowned. So that’s kind of the whole speech, man. I’m like, you know, everything about. I’m serious. I’m like, oh my God, what am I gonna talk about? I’m serious. No, I got no flip. I got you. Because I got. I got so many questions on. On some of this. So first, this one’s maybe a little bit ingest. Is there any chance as a failed comedian, since it’s so close to this comedy store, that people just get horn open, you know what I mean? And maybe they’re just like taking out the stress on the software devs in the area.

I don’ oh, man. But yeah, this is creepy. And you know what? And I. I can’t. I can’t fault the police because I’m be honest. 90 to 90 to 97% of the time, if a body has been laid, has been submerged in water, it doesn’t matter what kind of water, salt water, whatever, fresh water, it washes away any evidence. And my first. What made me want to be a Prof. Everybody thinks it was Silas of the Lambs because I watched that movie like 30 times. But actually it was the Atlanta child killings in Atlanta. I don’t know if you familiar.

Oh, well, you know, I saw Netflix. I don’t know how accurate, but I saw the Netflix show on that. It was pretty fascinating. I. Because I would. Those kids that were murdered, those 28 kids, they would have been my age today if they lived. And we didn’t have social media in Fort Wayne, Indiana. We’re in the hood we didn’t have social media or Google Maps. And we’re watching the news and we’re freaking out. And literally we. And it wasn’t ignorance. It was just for the fact that we didn’t have social media or MapQuest. We literally thought, hey, man, they coming here? You know, because we didn’t know how far Atlanta.

We couldn’t see how far Atlanta was from Fort Wayne, Indiana. We didn’t know. It was like eight, nine hours away. We’re like, man, you think he’s coming here? And it did. It traumatized me. It traumatized a lot of people, but it also traumatized me in a good way, because I wanted to be a profiler for this. That’s all I ever wanted to be. I want to study human mind. And when I found out, like you said, you watched that Netflix series, that this was their first case, I read it in a book that they tried at their first game.

Like, oh, this is a God. This is a message from God. I was meant to do this. So I said the case that made me want to get in psychology, that just. I was engrossed with. I sat by the TV. I’m. I’m literally 10 years old, sitting by the TV, watching. Watching news. Not cartoons, but watching news. I was really addicted to it. And the case itself, I bought every book, got all the autopsy pictures, the. The un unredacted reports, and, yeah, that’s my next goal. That’s my next goal. I’m gonna go to Georgia, I’m gonna have a talk with Wayne and say, hey, man, you need to fess up.

Because be honest with you, man, I. I got a profile. And this is another story. I think his dad did it. I think his dad had some things to do, and there’s some reasons I got behind that. And I’ll explain later. I mean, when, you know, at another time or something. Well, this is not gonna be good friends, okay? This is a little. A little niche. So if you haven’t heard of any of these cases, we just move on. But I just gotta ask, since you kind of brought up that that was one of the. Have you ever heard of the Johnny Gosh case or the Johnny Ghosh case? No.

First kid on the milk carton. Very first kid printed. That’s like, have you seen this face? Which I guess depressingly the chant, like, once your face gets on one of those milk cartons, your chance of getting found drops dramatically like that, Unfortunately. Yeah, but he was the first one, and that was linked to a group called the Finders. And the finders is one of the deepest conspiracy rabbit holes I ever went down into. And it all started from a police report in Tallahassee, I think, in the mid-80s or something. I’ll get some of the dates wrong, but they just saw, like, these guys in suits with a bunch of kids in burlap sacks that were, like, loading them in and out of vans.

And a bunch of people in the community called, and it led to, like, a whole weird. And it’s kind of like an unsolved sort of mystery in some ways. But anyways. Heard of that. We’ll have to dive into that one at some other point because we got. I got a whole bunch of questions on the Ladybird Lake killings, so maybe we can start breaking up other cases, too. Man, this will be fun. Because, man, you know what? When you asked me how much time I got, I should have said more than that because I forgot to tell you.

And we can talk about this later, but about. I developed a profiling app, and it. It. Yeah, it’s about 90, 93% accuracy. We can talk anybody. Yeah, and it goes off the. The diagnostic statistical manual 5 from the American Psychology association and out of my research papers. Yeah, I’ll steer us there because I got some questions that’ll fall perfectly. Okay. Yeah. If you want to ask me a question now, I could type it in on that and we can. And I can share the screen. Whatever, man. Yeah. Tell us who did it. It gives you a psychological profile of the person.

Yeah. So. All right, well, let me get just a couple of, I guess, I think, surface level, Lady Bird lake killing questions. 1. What makes this one unique? Like, what’s unique about the Ladybird Lake killings versus, I would assume, at least a hundred other lakes that bodies pop up in all the time? Is it just because it’s downtown Austin, rich white guys, or is there something else to it? Okay, when you say that, do you mean the case itself or the killings? What makes it. Let me specify, is that, like, within the true crime, I guess, world? Lady Bird Late Killings, they do seem to come.

A lot of people talk about it. Everyone’s got theories, but, like, why aren’t they talking about the Atlanta killings or any other number? We could throw a dart at a board and hit something that no one talks about nearly as much as Lady Bird Late Killings. Okay, I’ll tell you why. It’s just like, because. And be honest with you, I. I’m. I really didn’t know much about conspiracy theorists, and I just went. I just started listening to Them and understanding them when Covid happened. And. And my job, I can get you all caught up, man. You got any questions? I can get you caught up, up quickly.

My justification is, you know what? Since I’m out. And this is because I was out of the loop. Being in law enforcement, being privy to so many, so much vital information, and now I was out of the loop. I said, they aren’t getting the truth from our government, so they got to go and look for their own. That’s. That’s. I said, I don’t blame them. And that’s why at first I said, but, man, y’all messing up everything. Quit telling y’all lies. But when Covet happened and I started listening, I was like. Like, they’re not getting the truth.

You know, our government is not telling them the truth. So, yeah, they gotta find. They gotta find the answers on their own. So I get that, and I applaud y’all for that. I really do. So. But what made me think is, okay, I’ll explain to you like this in layman’s terms. I was at my homecoming at Ball State University, and there was this girl there, and I had the biggest crush on her. And I never told her in 32 years. And I saw her for the first time in 32 years, and I told her, and she said, why? I said, because.

She said, why? Why were you attracted to me? Is. You never even say that. I said, because you never smile. And I said, you know what? I said that was a mystery. And Atlanta child murder is not a mystery. People think Wayne Williams killed those kids. He killed. If anything, my profile says he killed two adults. He didn’t touch them kids. And I’ll go to my grave on that. Now, for this case here, there’s no cause of death. There’s no cause. There’s no valid witnesses saying a struggle there. You got 11, 12, maybe 13 witnesses. I mean, victims all around the lake.

There’s no autopsy findings, only one finding. There’s the toxicology. Reports are unfounded. Now, at first, you could say either it’s. What do you call it, Gross negligence on law enforcement, which I doubt because Houston or Austin has a wonderful police department. With that said, it’s the mystery. That’s why people. Because there’s no question, you can’t even. And you notice people don’t even say even on my report that I sent you. On my profile, I think I laid labeled it the Lady Bird late killings. I didn’t label it homicides, but that’s because it hasn’t Been labeled. And that’s why everybody.

Because everybody wants to know what. And so that’s what’s so attracting to everybody. Because with me, like I said with that young lady, that she didn’t smile, and that turned me on because I had to know. I had to know. You know, I had to. I had to know why she’s not smiling. And that’s what attracted me to her. So. Yeah. So when did it work out? When you dropped that at the reunion, did it work out from there? It worked. Oh, it worked. It worked. It worked. Yes. Work. She becomes a good friend, but she, you know, she smiled.

And I could tell that man, if I would have said something there. Yeah, we probably would have, you know, been an item or something. But, yeah, it worked because it got through. Well, you. You make a good point. And I guess the same thing, you’re talking about conspiracy theories. And I. I think that’s true. There’s, like, two sort of tired cliches. But one of them is like, every law creates a criminal. It’s not that, like, the criminal starts and they make a law around it or vice versa. Right. So every law creates a criminal, but also.

So every lie or everything that you keep secret from the public, that’s going to create a conspiracy theory. It just. It’s like two plus two. It can’t. It can’t not create that because it’s creating a vacuum. And vacuums desire to be filled. And if it’s a vacuum in the realm of, like, knowledge, then people just make things up. They just fill that up with. And I guess if there’s so many unknowns, if you don’t know who it is, if you don’t even know if these 13 murders are related, how they were killed, anything about it, it.

It’s almost like it’s inviting everyone to speculate on every single facet. And everyone almost feels like they’re just as qualified. It’s like, oh, if the cops haven’t figured this out in three or four years, maybe I can do it from my Facebook account. Right. Yeah. So. Okay, Fairmont. So that’s so Ladybird Late killings. Because there’s so many unknowns. And about those 13 victims, in your mind, are those all related? Are there only, like, a couple related? Or they’re like, things that are being attributed to killings just because they showed up in the. Because, I mean, you could fall into that, like, drunk also.

Right. And wouldn’t. Would anyone know the difference between that versus a killing? No, they. Yeah. Well, again, like I said, any signs of A struggle like blood force trauma, scratches, torn clothing. Nothing of that has been. Well. And my thing is. And here again, somebody may say, well, maybe the police aren’t telling us everything and keeping, you know, for press fair point integrity. But no, they’re releasing everything because they don’t have everything. So every. I truly believe that I’ve seen investigations. I’ve studied investigations for over 25 years and now. Now I sound like somebody else. Now I’ve been a prosecutor.

So. Let me stop. Let me stop. But yeah, I mean, but that the true fact is, yeah, when those. The demographics is the only common denominator. And like you said in the software computer industry. But another thing is they all hang around that area, that area and people don’t realize it’s a bar, it’s a party area. It’s like a big. Well, it’s like six to eight blocks of bars. Right. Like you can’t even single it out to just one block. Yes. And the funny thing about it is I did a walkthrough. And the cool thing about it, what I teach my students is we did a virtual walkthrough.

We got with our IT department and we built a virtual. We built a virtual city and we did a virtual. Our virtual area based off a geomap, just. Just based off geomap and pictures and we did a virtual walkthrough of the crime scene area. And I’m going to tell you from what I did and if this. And I believe the. The information is right because we always run a fact check or accuracy before we do these experiments. Somebody had to see something. And here’s the thing, because it’s a visible from leading out to where the. From where the bar or bars or bars plural, they were at.

To leave there and go to the lake, whether dragged, whether, you know, on their own, somebody had to see it. So that’s why my profile says that just like with the. Oh my gosh, this game and this gave me ptsd. That’s what the Delphi murders, my profile on that. I don’t know if you heard about the Delphi murders in India, Indiana. Too little. No, I’m not nowhere near the true crime. When you sent me the Ladybird Lake, it was the first I’d even heard of it. Really. See, yeah, that was my first time hearing about it.

And I was like, let me profile it. But the cases itself, you when you get to know the killer and like for my, My profile. Well, I’m not gonna say anything because it’s still on trial and I don’t want to get, get called and testify or anything. But as far as the Ladybird, I think the perpetrator either lived in that area or is familiar with that area because they knew. Like, for instance, if you want to. And again, to me, a good cop, you got to think like a criminal. Okay. Like if I’m going to, let’s say I’m going to Walmart and I’m stuck and I want to steal something.

A good criminal will look and see where the cameras are. A good criminal will look and see if they’re, if he sees the same male or female not buying anything, driving. That’s probably security, you know, undercover security. And, but you look at the cameras and you study that. That’s what a good criminal does. This individual. And like I said it, the areas, some areas were well lit, some were not. But going from point A to the, to what I call the death spot where the body was found, somebody had to see something. Unless this person was good.

And I think this person was real clever what they did and they’ve been there before and they knew how to hide around and I think maybe, maybe, maybe even worked in that area. Like for instance, we have a place in, in Fort Wayne, Indiana. I can show you on Google Maps or you can look it up and it’s called Pierre’s Entertainment Center. It’s a, it’s outdoor. It’s like a big mall. It’s like a huge outdoor mall, but it’s nothing but bars. You go inside. I used to work security there part time security as a police officer.

Moonlighting. I see bar backs and people taking out trash and stuff. You can easily. I even caught a, I even caught a couple, couple one time, you know, having sex out behind the back. And, and I’m like, wow. And he worked there. And I said, man, what’s up? I said, I said, I wouldn’t have found you unless. But I heard her. So I said, I found you, but I heard her. And he said, yeah. He said, I come here all the time. This. And I, and I said, you know, I drive past. Yeah, I never bothered to look at that spot.

And yeah, so it’s just examples like that. I’m sorry, I like giving examples. Well, so, yeah, so the person doing it maybe knows that these are dark spots where there’s no footage or there might be coverage. And so one of the things that I was thinking to myself as I was reading over your document and you even said in there, it was like, consider employing, you know, people walking around or add CCTVs or, I mean, now you got drones and stuff that people could be flying around with night vision. Yeah, so. And I know that you were suggesting that, but like, who do you suggest that to? Who’s not doing it? Like where? Because I know it’s.

It costs money. It’s not like you just snap your finger and thousand cameras pop up, right? And you know what? This whole profile, this new method of profile, I was doing the tradition, like we talked earlier before, you know, for 20 some years, I was doing actually last five, last six years of my career, law enforcement career. That’s when I started implementing my educational studies that I’ve learned from psychology and criminal profiling into actual investigations. And one thing I learned is that type of profile, the profile that like the FBI does, I can’t do those profiles because I’m not privy.

I no longer have access to that data and that information anymore. But with that said, the profile that I got now that my, that I teach my students, that I could teach, you teach. Anybody can do. That’s the beautiful thing about it. Anybody can do it. You don’t have to be a cop. You don’t have to have access to a, A police database. You can do. The tools that we got are accessible to everyone. Geomaps, Census Bureau statistics, the American Psychiatric association website, the diagnostic statistical manual, and a few more items. Those will equip you enough to give you a 90% accuracy on a, on a profile of an unsub, unidentified sub.

So that’s the whole. What are some, like, what are some typical things that the FBI in an active investigation would be privy to that you, you would just never see, unless you’re on the FBI. I’m assuming that like any immediate crime scene details and like specific method, but it’s up to their discretion on how much they want to release to the public too, right? You can get, for example, you can have. Yeah, it is up to them. DNA results, crime scene pictures, autopsy pictures, we can get those. For example, myself, along with an attorney, a retired deputy coroner, and another homicide detective, we go around throughout the nation and we seek grieving parents who have kids whose cases haven’t been solved.

And we work the cases for them using this method. One, it saves time. We don’t have to travel. You know, it gives them a better insight of it, and so therefore they can understand and we make it accessible. And another thing about my profiles, if you read my profile now, my law enforcement profiles that I did when I was a homicide detective, criminal profiler, they were like the Way they are. The one thing that I tell people that’s different from mine than FBI’s. FBI usually gets out 60 page a profile. I usually give out 70. 60 page profile.

The FBI does a checklist. I do a checklist. They do recommendations. Recommendations. Only thing we do different. I explain why and how I got my answer. I explain why I may think the male of the suspect is a male, why I may think he’s black, why I may think he drives this type of vehicle. I explain FBI doesn’t. I explain everything in mind. So. Well, let us know as of Now, I guess November 1st, if you can’t keep in date, like what’s your current profile of the Ladybird late killer? Okay. Right here. Okay. I came up because we talked about this.

I posted it. I posted it just to see what it was like before I gave it to my students. I posted it on this website I belong to. It’s called un. I don’t know. It’s about unsolved cases and unsolved pharmaco psych cases. And I can tell you by later you can visit it. It’s pretty cool. It has a whole bunch of wealth of information. But posted that and somebody came back with something and I posted it. So it can be critiqued. You can shout, you can shout out what the. The pages you want. We put a link to it.

It’s undetermined. That’s the name. Yeah. And I, I post. Yeah, it’s called undetermined. And it’s, it’s, it’s cool. I like it. It was fun. I posted it. And all these sleuths, these crime sloops. And sometimes you’ll get, you’ll get actual profilers, sometimes you’ll get amateur profilers. But everybody there has the same type of information and knowledge. And a lady picked out something about my timeline and that when she was like, I’m sorry, I really didn’t mean to do. Like, that’s why I posted. I like being critiqued because it makes me better. I want to be the best at what I do.

And so if you see there’s a problem, I’m gonna look into it. And it was because it shouldn’t have a time. This case should not have a timeline. That’s the one thing I noticed about it. Another thing that I noticed that they do on this. They need to give a better explanation to the public about the lack of information regarding autopsies. Because to the best of my ability, I think there was only one autopsy conducted. And that screams, I don’t want to say anything to negative police because, like I said, my family is still police. I was police.

I don’t want to bash them, but, man, that. That seems like you really didn’t have a fire underneath your butt, for lack of better words, you know? Yeah. So, I mean, I. I’ve also seen that you mentioned the Wire before. I’ve also seen the Wire, one of the best shows ever. But, like, and we’re talking about bodies being found in water. And that was one of the most consistent themes in the Wire is that everyone hated floaters because they could just be like, you know what? Send it back out, let it drift into the next county.

And now it’s that jurisdiction’s problem. So it’s almost like. Like, why would you go out and just pick the hardest case to solve by fishing out a body in a lake versus, hey, everyone already knows. This is complicated. Let’s not do the autopsy. It’s just going to make more questions more work. Yes. A. A coroner once told me, because I. He said about fires, decomposed bodies, and bodies that have been submerged. He said the submerged for him would be. The submerged would be the worst. And he says why? He said, because you got added. He said, now you.

He said he put in a. Put in layman’s terms. He said you got added. Added. I forgot the word he used. But let’s just say. I want to say added ingredients. Because he said it’s like gumbo. He said, you open that body up, he said you may see. You may see a fish. He said you may see segments that they’ve swallowed and consumed while their body went underwater in their lungs. He said it is. He said he hates doing autopsies on bodies that have been submerged. Submerged because it’s the worst. Not be that. And that’s just forgetting about, you know, the DNA and all the evidence being wiped away from the water.

You’re talking about added data that you have added clues that really aren’t clues, but it’s clung onto the body and the bloating and all that. Yeah, it just, it’s bad for really, if you’re going to do a toxicology report, but you’ve been underwater for. For weeks or even days, right? Like, yeah. Not just the dilution, but now any. Anything that was in that water that might look like it’s toxic is now in you, even if you never really came in contact with it while you were alive. Yeah. And you know what? It’s. It’s ironically because that we mentioned this.

You said you’re familiar A little bit with the Atlanta child murders, some. One of the cops thought it would. Some public information officer thought it would be genius to tell the people that they find the bodies at certain locations here and here. And then they got. They got the. What they call the. Those carpet fiber. Carpet fibers which convicted Wayne Williams. They said that we got those. And when they said that, they start dumping them bodies in the Haratucci Hatatuchi river and they start wiping them away. So that showed. But that’s good. You know why? Because as a cop or as a criminal, as a profiler, that tells me two things.

One, one, the person’s listening. Two, they want to continue. And it’s going to keep going. Stop. They don’t want to stop. They’re going to keep on going. So, yeah, yeah, I guess. What, what are the feelings in general on all these different cop shows? You made a great point that when you were an active detective, you’d see, you know, 48 hours and be like, stop. Stop telling them how easy it is to just shut it down with a lawyer. Like how like our cops in general just wish there were no cop shows. Yeah, okay. Yes, I’m glad you mentioned that.

Oh, man, this is good. The fun. Here’s a funny story. I’m coming out of a homicide scene, right? And I go there, it’s like 4:00 in the morning. I put on my. I put on my footies, you know, I put on the protection so I don’t contaminate the area. And I go in was just. And actually, it was bad. It smelled bad. It was a summertime body smelled bad. The skin was a matter of fact, when they pulled him to put him on the cart to move him out, his skin fell off his arm. So it was bad.

And I’m real. I can’t stand certain smells. I’m real sensitive. If my mom was making chicken and I visit her house, I can literally smell the blood from the chicken that she threw away in the trash, Literally. So I left and the lady came out there and she said, hey, twin. That’s what they call us, because everybody knew us. Hey, twin. And I’m like, what? She said, who kill. Who killed such and such? I knew the guy’s name, but I’m not gonna say it. I said, what do you mean? I just got here, baby girl? And that’s how I said it for.

I said. I said, what do you mean, I just got here? And she said, well, didn’t y’all get their DNA? And I’m like, what are you talking about? And she said, don’t y’all have that can that y’all spray in the air and collects people’s DNA? I’m like, ma’am, where’d you get that? She was in luminol, right? She said, she. Does she know. She was talking about there’s a, there’s a spray that collects DNA and it can tell you who the person is. I said, man, where you watch? Where’d you see that? And she said, the show I worked for, I was like, oh my God.

So, yeah, waiting here to say like Inspector Gadget. Laughing. So and my brother, I was, I used to, I’m a fan of like old time cop shows and stuff, like Hawaii 5o and stuff like that. And I tried to watch the new Hawaii 5o. And this is where America gets the misperception. They had this computer screen and they stretched it out and flipped it and blew that. And it went here and here. It was virtual. And my brother, my twin brother’s FBI said, man, I’ve been in the FBI for over close to 22 years. I still got the same laptop that I had when I graduated from academy and I stay in a cubicle.

And so, yeah. He said, oh yeah. And so Hollywood, Hollywood makes it hard for us because people think we have all this capability and we don’t, you know, we don’t have any of that. Yeah, they make it look like you’re running like a, like a five star casino security where you’ve got like endless money and you got holograms and. Yeah, yeah, just go to a dmv. And I assume it’s kind of like that. That’s kind of the technology level that most of these are on. Even you watch first 48 now. Yeah. And you watch them like the ones that are shot in like the last couple years, like they don’t have brand new flat screen panels, you know.

You know, my dad, he I talking about what we’re talking about, you know, being an old school cop. Literally, my people would come and we lived in the hood growing up, you know, it was just my twin brother and my dad and I. My dad, he had on those like tighty whitey shorts. He didn’t wear boxers. He would come answer the door. People knock on his door, say, hey, Jinx. Hey man. My old lady took my car, man. Can I get it back? How can I get it back? People come. We used to think my dad was a lawyer.

That is, that’s, that’s, that’s old school policing right there. When neighbors feel Comfortable. They see that striped car in your front of your. In your driveway, but they still gonna come and they gonna ask a question. And unfortunately, we’ll never get it back like that. People will try, but it’s a waste of time. It will, because we already got our minds made up. But those were good times. Times. And with that said, those type of cops, that type of investigation with a. With a cop like that. I remember one time I asked my dad, what’s the most realistic cop show on tv? This is after I took my first criminal justice class at Ball State my freshman year.

And he said something. He said, barney Miller. And I told my professor, who’s a state. Indiana state trooper at the time, he said, you know what? You’re right. Barney Miller. I don’t know if I’ve ever heard of that. Barney. See, that’s it. Barney Miller. You go. It’s about a detectives. And all it’s by. It’s a junkie office in New York. It’s a police precinct. It’s got a bunch of detectives. A comedy. But it’s all about. It’s all about. It’s all about paperwork. They do paperwork, constant paperwork. And it’s about cops getting disgruntled, arresting people. Like the stuff you see here.

Hey, I’m ready to do my job sometimes. Cops don’t feel like that all the time, you know? And another show, I couldn’t. I couldn’t stand it because it was so real. It was so real was NYPD Blue. It was so real. I was like, man, cops lives are depressing sometimes. And that’s what. Yeah, it was so real. I. It was so real, it scared me. I stopped. I. I stopped watching it because I was like, man, I want to be like that. You know, the guy Lipowitz, he was like, I always had an attitude or depressed, and people look kind of.

It was just a. It was dark. It was dark. For people who wanted to be. Be a police officer, I’m like, that’s what their personal life is like. No, I want to do this that. Well, I. I think there’s also a really weird part of romanticizing police work and firemen or just like all of these, like, what do you want to be when you grow up? And all the ones that kids gravitate to because they’re kind of like these very specific roles in society that are kind of pitched that way. But I think when you romanticize some of those jobs, you also forget that, like, at, like any other job you go to and you see someone having a Bad day or you see someone that’s like, I’m not answering calls today or.

Right. That happens in every profession in the world. You maybe hope it’s not the detective on your case, it’s not the surgeon performing your surgery that day, but you’re right, it happens. Right about that. Yeah, it’s a lot of professions. Yeah. I never thought about it like. Yeah, teachers. Yeah. Okay. The other thing too, the. I think that a part of the romantization of cops and why there’s so many in TV and Hollywood is that there’s not a lot of other roles in our society that, that as a cop you can interject yourself into almost any situation, any business, any level of class, any.

Like racial segregation. Like you kind of got this cheat code that like. Nope, I, I’m, I’m in this now. I’m making this my business. There’s really no other profession that I can even think of that you can just interchangeably, like I’m in a strip club now. Now I’m in a warehouse now. I’m investigating a politician. Oh my God. You know what? You’re right. I’m thinking about it because I think about all the things and like, I’m thinking about society itself and like type of functions, like from the functions that, the functions that have 500 plate dinners.

You know what? You’ll see law enforcement there. You’ll see like the people with the brass and the stars and all those metal, fake metals on their jackets. The chiefs and stuff. They go to those about like banks and financial institutions. You have a white collar crimes and you have white collar crimes and guess what? These people build relationships with these people. I remember when people used to write checks back in the day. We had bounce check detective. A detective detective that would chase people that wrote bad checks. And I don’t know, your, your fans are probably your viewers.

Probably. What’s, what’s a check, mom? You know, it’s something you wrote on for currency. So. But it’s kind of like bitcoin. But like if you printed your bitcoin out like that, and those people develop relationships with the bankers and, and, and like with me and the gang unit homicide I developed, I re. Gave a rebirth to my relationship with the inner city, with the hood, you know, Because I ain’t gonna lie, when I graduate from college and got some money in my pockets, I’m like, I told my dad, hey man, we out of here. Me and my brother moving.

So, you know, but, but yeah. And so to get back and to get, get back in to get all those things. Yeah. But to answer your question. Yeah, and I just. No thought of that. We, we can walk into any spectrum. Like DMX once said, I can go in any project in the hood and I’ll be good, you know. So yeah, I think that’s just why there’s so many cop shows and cop movies. Because even just as a writer, as a device, like, well, how am I going to get this person to interact with these criminals and then talk to a.

Like if they’re a cop, it works like now all of a sudden you don’t have to explain all that. So. Yeah, and I think part of that means that now there’s way more cop show, there’s probably more fictional police officers than real ones in some cases. You know, I, I thought about writing a, a show because. And it hasn’t been done before and call it the Negotiator, a TV show about it. Because what people don’t know is one the big boys, the big boys, like the big toys, they would love it because we got this kick ass hostage negotiator truck.

You go inside, it’s like a bat cave, you know, and we work along with SWAT and we do drones because SWAT needs to go in, you know, if it’s a hostage situation and there’s mental health involved, because if it’s a crisis situation and I think I thought that would be a good episode to do that. And you know, and me being a hostage negotiation, you know, I thought, man, that would be cool. But you know, I don’t have the time to write it up. So what you, you also mentioned that you’ve got like an app that you’re working on.

You mentioned earlier the fizz where my head went. Immediately you were like, if there’s a cop behind you, they’re, they’re looking you out, they scan your play. I mean, and I’ve seen, and I don’t think that it was in a movie or TV show, I think it was like an actual documentary. But they were showing that a lot of cop cars are fitted with something just automatically you’ll scan it, it’ll send it off and then it’ll let you know, hey, this car that you’re in front of, they got warrants, blah, blah. Like you don’t have to actively say, hey, look up this tag for me.

So now you almost got automatic programs that they’re scanning your plates whether they want to or not. It’s just going to let them know. And the next level of that, I guess there’ll Be like AI incorporated and apps. And so at what point our cop car, like, cop car could basically just be an AUTONOMOUS vehicle driving around, scanning things and then just being like, hey, come to this place. Yeah, I know. Like, my AI just detected something weird here. And then you don’t need, you know, patrol, essentially, right? Oh, yeah. And I tell people now, I tell people.

I tell people one. If you just. You just don’t like police and you just worry you’re a good person. What I call them taxpayers, like they do in the wire. I said, you just a good taxpayer, you know, and. But you just want to know, yeah, that’s good. But for the criminals. Yeah, that. I mean, we got all this stuff. And you. Matter of fact, you mentioned the X case, Triple X. That’s how they remember in there. They were using one of those scanners and they saw the car. They saw the car, saw the owner. Owner knew all that, you know, by just scanning that license plate, knew that whole person’s life.

And. Well, let me bring that one up in particular because I think we might have been talking about that before we recorded so on. On the show that you’re an expert co analyst, like a subject matter expert, essentially. And. And this is CBS Real CSI Miami. And one of those episodes which you were like, it’s probably the most popular one. And like, yeah, I’m sure it was. It was on the Murder of xxx. And I think part of this is because there are so many conspiracy theories about Drake being involved. And now if, like, Drake’s ahead of it.

And so let me just list. Here’s the reason. So here’s the reasons why people thought Drake was involved. So first of all, he kind of. You cover this in the show, but like, there was a flow that X had and then Drake comes out with a very similar flow on a very similar beat. So that kind of starts a little bit of it. But then after X dies ten days later, Drake drops his album, like as if it were waiting for some milestone to release. And then he goes on a tour to promote that album. And the tour name was Assassination Vacation.

And I didn’t know that. And X had posted before he died. I’m snitching right now. If I die, Champagne Poppy did it. Champagne Poppy being Drake’s Twitter name. Right. And then I think on, just to add a cherry on top, it does seem that the show makes it unequivocal. There’s no evidence that ties Drake to this murder. Anything. And a lot of the online, it’s like people just want to believe it. But also, Drake kind of leaned in a little bit, and I. And I feel that that’s almost one of the consistent things about conspiracy theories, is that someone gets accused of it, and it’s like, oh, no, I can use this.

Like, I can. I’m gonna just lean into this a little bit. And now everyone’s like, man, Drake’s the killer. Drake’s the killer. So that. No, but, yeah, that was, like, the most popular case, I guess, on that. That first season, right? Oh, y. Yeah. I was like, man, this is great. When they gave it to me, I’m like, oh, yeah. So. But, yeah, I mean, they use a. A ALPR automatic license plate reader. Okay. That’s what I was talking about. It just. It just automatically scans you as you drive. It scans it and then it gives you everything.

But for your viewers, if they’re. Even if they’re, you know, decent taxpayers, you still. Because I want. Well, for my dissertation, I’m writing a thing called Blue Flow. Blue Fl. Phobia. Because we have a scare. We have a fear of flights, right? Some of us has fear of. Fear of everything. And I don’t care what race you are. I don’t care what. How much money you got in your pocket. I don’t care where you live. If you’re driving a car and you got a cop car behind you for, like, two, three blocks, you’re gonna be nervous.

If you’re at a stop sign and you don’t fully stop and you go and you see a cop car, you’re gonna get nervous. That’s blue phobia. The only thing is they. When I. My school, when I’m writing the proposal up for the dissertation, they said some people could use this as a defense, you know, so. So. But, yeah, it means you’re a fear of Your fear of law enforcement. It doesn’t mean you hate them. It just means that their power and the things they can do to you right now for, you know. You know, can take away your freedom, you know, if you do something inaccurate or something illegal.

And that’s scary. So it causes a fear. And everybody has. I mean, I talked to a judge one time. I was talking to him. He said, yeah, I got nervous. Nervous, too, you know. He said, but I was drunk, but I got nervous. I was like, oh, I was bright and dirty, but. And I guess that’s. That kind of goes into that, like, police discretion. I mentioned before, too, where, like, you realize that they could let you go or they could not let you go. And I’ve heard this and paraphrase in various ways, but I get your take on it being, you know, in the role that you were at for like over two decades.

If you’re following a car for let’s say five minutes, let’s say 20 minutes. At the extreme like five, 20 minutes, can you guaranteed find a reason to pull someone over and put them in, in, in bracelets, at least bring them to the station? Okay. I was on a gang unit and most gang units in America, they’re, they’re reactive, they’re not proactive, which means they come after the fact. So. And if anybody tries to tell you they don’t profile people, that’s beat, that’s they do. But yeah, here’s the thing. They profile the vehicles. You can profile the vehicle.

Matter of fact, I was playing, I apologize for doing this. I was in Detroit one time and I was with somebody. I said, hey, tell me what kind of person driving. I said, hey, you think that’s what you know. So we were playing that game. But it was, you know, and it was. And we were right. And it’s all about, it’s not about race, it’s about culture. And I always tell people it’s about culture. But with that six bad man. Like let me, let me give you a specific hypothetical, right? You see like an old white hair, like, like blue haired lady, right? Like a, like a 60 year old lady driving a, like a 2020 Cadillac or something.

Yeah. Normally someone that might just go right under the radar, they’re not speeding, they’re not doing anything crazy. But what, what could a cop do to justify pulling them over, pulling them out of the car, like get like, like putting them into an emotional state where now it’s like, oh, now you’re being aggressive, you know what I mean? Like they, yeah, they could intentionally kind of like escalate the situation from where there was nothing. Here’s the bread and butter of it. This was our bread and butter. And I think I got some of my former teammates when I was on the gang unit got upset with me because I was telling it, but it was the truth.

License plate light, not that many people. And it all depends on what state you’re into. A license plate light, you can pull somebody over for not having a license plate light. You can actually pull somebody over if their car, your drive is called left of center. If your tire touches the yellow on there, I mean just, I mean just touches it, you can pull somebody over there speeding, of course, going over like five miles. And I’ll tell People, this too, in the Midwest. I think this is nationwide. And state troopers will tell you this, too. They don’t give you tickets unless it’s over 20 miles per hour.

If you go on 10 and you stop and you pass a cop car and you wonder if they gonna stop, they. Unless he’s bored and ain’t got nothing to do, he ain’t gonna stop. Because a judge that 20 miles over a speed limit nationwide is reckless driving, and it could be a felony. Yeah. So that’s why in a judge, if they saw five miles of this and they throw it out, they said, me wasting my time. So, yeah, those things. I’ve heard an inverse of this, too. A cop that I know mentioned. And this is not advice to anyone.

This is definitely not advice. But he was like, on. On certain highways, if. Like, if you’re going to speed. Yeah. Like, either go. Don’t go 15 over, because 15 is the sweet spot where it’s like, all right, you know that you’re wrong. I know that you’re wrong. He’s like, but if you go like, 30 over, some of them are like, I don’t want to fill out that paperwork, especially if you’re not being reckless. So there’s almost like a more dangerous to only kind of speed and less dangerous to really speed. And you know what? I. Yeah.

And here’s another example where a cop will use discretion and turn the other way. And some people will say, well, you could have called it in, but it wasn’t that bad to call it in. What happened was I. I didn’t have a marked car because I was a detective. Detective. And that was stupid. You know, that was dumb. On. My mistake, you know, I did. I wasn’t in uniforms, you know, suit and tie. That’s another dumb mistake. Pick my. Pick my twin daughters up from daycare. Dumb mistake. Dude comes just. Boom, right by me. I’m Gary, pull him over.

I’m calling the ass for a uniform. Back up. Next thing you know, my daughter’s crying, daddy, don’t. Please don’t. We want. And I. I called it off. I was like, I took him home. Yep. I didn’t want to. I didn’t want to traumatize him, so I just. I was like, yep, you right. I don’t know what the. But you know what? I forgot. Got that about them in the back, and I thought about that fool in the front, and I was like, I’m gonna get him. Yeah. So. But yeah. Yeah. And he definitely was going, this was.

We’re on. I 69, because we were taking a shortcut 70 miles. I was going, he’s probably going on 100. Yeah, yeah. What happens now? You’re. You’re retired now, but, like, you’re driving around and someone’s doing something crazy. Like, are. Do you got speed dial? And you’re like, all right, go get them. I don’t do nothing, man, because here’s the thing. I don’t want to be on no witness list. I don’t want to go to court to testify. That’s why I never. When I was. I was in uniform for six months. Then when I graduated from the academy, then I became a detective.

I never gave a ticket. You never saw me in court because I didn’t want to get up in the morning, put on that suit, go testify, earn my funky 60, maybe $150 overtime or maybe. I don’t know. No, I probably want that much, but just. It was like, maybe between 30 and $60. I’m like, it ain’t worth it. So you didn’t have to deal with quotas. You didn’t have some, like, captain, like, you know, get in here. Cr. We didn’t make. No, we didn’t make. We didn’t have quotas. State police do. We didn’t have quotas because someone found out that in most state and most cities, Orlando, everywhere, when you get a traffic ticket, that money goes to the judge.

That’s. That pays your judge. That pays your. So we didn’t want to do that. We didn’t want to contribute to that. So they didn’t say we had a quota. Now state police do. What I did was. Instead of. Yeah, yeah, okay. So, yeah, I answered that. I’m sorry. I was just getting off base. My bad. I was thinking of something else, but I was thinking about something else, but I forgot. I’ll probably remember it again. But this is fun, man. I haven’t done one of these. I haven’t done podcasts a long time, man. All right, well, I got.

I got a couple fun ones for you, I think, and we’ll. We’ll start wrapping this up, so. To leave some for the next one, because I think we can probably do a couple of these. Yeah. How about Tupac, man? What’s your profile on the Tupac murder? I didn’t do that, but I could show you real quick. I could. I could type it in real quick, give me a psychological profile Tupac murder and come up with one. But with that said. And I’ll do that. I’ll send it. You can show it to your. Your viewers tomorrow or whenever.

I’ll send. I’ll send you one. Now that we know about Diddy. Okay, let me. Let me say. Oh, I got a. Oh, his profile. Oh my gosh. My students asked me to do him, but on Tupac’s, I think the profile on that, that one, it was orchestrated. And what I mean by orchestrated, I’m taking my glasses on this one. Somebody who knew him, somebody who didn’t want to see him leave, somebody didn’t want to see that meal ticket disappear. Was. They knew about it. They definitely knew about it. Yeah. So I mean, to be brave, to sit in a car and just get scratched while your boy gets hit.

I’m not saying no names, man, because, you know, hey, I ain’t a cop no more. So, you know, if anything happened, we gonna be going face. Face to face. But. Yeah, but to just sit in that car, you know, and not. And just get a scratch when your boy gets lit up. Come on now. Well, and you mentioned everybody. Everybody in the world hates you. Why not shoot him too? I’m thinking everybody in the world hates you. You a big bully. You be treating people like crap. Oh, yeah. We gonna get rid of you too. No nothing now.

If you want to get paid. Exactly. You want the other half of the down payment. That’s all I’m saying on that one. Because that, that one is to me, that is real. And I got, I got. I have a. Out of six years ago, I got a stack this big of. Of evidence information just for me to look at and profile. Somebody asked me to do it off the records. It was an attorney and I did it. And that’s when I stumbled across that. Yeah. Yeah. So wait, and you just mentioned too, and this is all speculation.

It’s all brand new, but like the, the Puff Daddy that’s been coming out, right? This has been link. I think the one that makes the most sense is that he’s just a hip hop Epstein. He’s. He running the same sort of thing where you go to a freak off. Now it’s on camera. Oh, crap. I didn’t know I was recorded. Now you’ve got something on me. And now I got to owe you favors. This is sort of like every sex cult that has ever existed. Yeah. Let me ask you because you. You’re in the media more than you’re in the media business.

No, more than me. You know you. And you definitely know your. Your music. Boy, let me tell you, because you definitely know your music. I give you props on that. Man, why is it that his is big, his story, you think it’s because who he is, that’s why it’s bigger than Epstein. Because, you know, your average 18 year old, 23 year old, they don’t know. Didn’t know who Epstein was. Right. But everybody. Right, you think that’s why it’s bigger? 100%. But I also think that Epstein represented the people that tend to stay out of the limelight.

Like, random tangent, but you know, when the Forbes, like 10 richest people or the 50 richest people comes out, you don’t hear about. Yeah, right. Well. Well, those are just the people that aren’t rich enough to pay Forbes to not put their name in the magazine. Right. So they’re like the bottom of the rich. Right. But like the real richest people, they’re like, no, you’re not putting my name in there. Like, how much do I got to pay? Or. Or like, I’ll have this come down on you if so. Yeah, I feel that Epstein was that version.

EP was the version of Diddy where, like, you kind of believed that your name would be secure just because. Oh, I mean, look at this guy. He’s here and he feels safe. Diddy, I feel less so. And Diddy was dealing with maybe multi millionaires, not multi billionaires. And I think that’s probably the difference between the two. Yeah, you know what? I. I wasn’t going to do a profile on him, but when I found out he had cameras, I’m like, oh, my God. Gosh, this is going to be good. That’s the. That seems like that was the real business all along.

That would make way more sense for that to be his main business. Yes. Yeah. So I might. I might. Yeah. So I would do a profile. Let’s do that, man. I would love. Okay, now here’s one a little bit more historical, so you don’t have to speculate. Well, you’re gonna have to speculate, but it won’t be like, as spicy, I guess. JFK assassination. What. Where are you at on this? Was. Was this a lone Harvey Oswald lone wolf? No, this was orchestrated. This was orchestrated. This was financially. It was. Orchestra was financially back. It was. And when.

I mean orchestrated. This went back the minute I think it was with. Oh, and you know what? Another thing is, I hate to say this, man, but it was Bobby that got him killed, man. It was Bobby. Bobby Kennedy. Bobby’s Bobby up there thinking that his thing, things don’t stink, you know, the toilet don’t stink and just, you know, just hammering after them. Hammering after the Mafia, hammering after the mob. And when he did all that, the mob got together. Tropicana, all the. All the mobsters back then, Momo, Diacono, they all went to Cuba and that’s when they hooked up with Castro, because they were going to build their.

Build a. Make it a little Las Vegas. And they start to become cool. And they were like, hey man, let’s just get rid of this dude. And the one with the beard said, let’s do it. And that’s how it started. But yeah, it was Bob, he didn’t push because I don’t like to say elections were fake or fraud, but that election was staged. That was fake. They had dead people in Chicago voting for Kennedy. And the mafia got him elected. The mob got the Chicago mob got him elected. I’ve heard this a lot of times. Yeah, that.

That was one of the original. And the mob got him elected. And I’m telling you, they. Yeah, from their history, because their dad was like, you know, their dad. They didn’t have dope dealers back then, but they had moonshiners, and their dad was a moonshiner. You know, that’s how Joe got his money. But the thing was they. They literally hated this man. They literally hated. A lot of people don’t realize that a lot of people hated him. A lot of just people walking in the streets, they were passing leaflets out and see, we didn’t have social media, we didn’t have videotape or we couldn’t record stuff.

But a lot of people couldn’t stand him back then. And I thought he was beautiful, man. I really do. I thought him. Because you go to every black house in the 70s. I don’t know if you remember that. You go to every black house in the 70s, you see three pictures, you see Martin Luther King, you see Bobby and jfk. Remember that? I’m serious. Ask somebody about that. But you go into a hood and yeah. You see three pictures. Bobby. You didn’t see Jesus. You see Martin Luther King and the two Kennedy brothers. Yep. And I bet when you pop.

When you play this, people gonna throw thumbs up like. Yeah, you right. Yeah. So. Yeah, but I remember that, man. And I gotta. I have to mention that it’s just. Cause this is technically conspiracy podcast theme, but not only was he making enemies with the Mafia, but he’s making enemies with the CIA, the FBI, a lot of the three letter agencies, and. And maybe just poor planning on his part, but this was also pretty much the exact same time that the CIA was directly working with the Mafia in order to eradicate some of the pro Castro people.

Like, they’re documented. They had entire, you know, divisions. I think before the FBI or the DEA came around, the FBN existed, and the FBN was collaborating directly with Lucky Luciano, a whole bunch of these gangsters. So now it’s like the President is, is threatening to dismantle both sides of the coin, the government and the underbelly. And they’re both looking at each other like, did you just hear what this guy said? Does he not know that we’re, like, in the same room right now? Yes. You know, and, you know, I know we, I know we got to wrap up, man.

I told, man, dude, this. I love this. I know we got to wrap up, but, yeah, Dulles, he was the director of CIA, the longest 10 senior ever. And John Foster Dulles. And Alan Dulles, the. Another twin, right? Well, not. Not twins, but, you know, brothers. Yeah, he got, you know, he got, you know, they got an airport after him, man. I’m like, man, y’all, he had part. And, you know, he, they. His, his. I’m not gonna say him, but I’ll say his organization played a little part, and they definitely had knowledge of the hit. They definitely knew something was going to go down.

Yeah, but there was, man, I got so many questions. Oh, yeah, let me ask you this one, because the conspiracy theorist. Let me ask you this question. What do people. What are people saying about. Never mind. No, that’s okay. Never mind, Never mind. I don’t want to go down that rabbit hole. Never mind, never mind. Because, see, I, I want to ask you, I’ll ask you off the air. So. Yeah, because, okay, yeah, yeah, well, you can ask me off air. I, I, I really didn’t think much of conspiracy theorists until Covid. And when Covid came, I started listening to him.

I’m like, man, these guys are right. They’re good with the information. The reason they’re saying this is because our country is not giving them the information we need. So, yeah, so just a little background. I like to flex this one muscle that I got when it comes to conspiracy theories. But, yeah, I noticed a lot of people in the space, a lot of my friends, especially doing podcasts, they kind of came around around 2019 or so, maybe a few more before that. Around 2016 elections, there was another huge wave around the Occupy Wall street sort of thing.

But like I mentioned, we first started talking. I was fascinated with conspiracy theories when Silent Weapons for Quiet wars came out by Kill army, which I think was like, 96, 97. So I almost feel like I got, like, battle like scars. I’ve been in the conspiracy game. Before it was Democratic and then before it flipped to Republican and before it was, like, nationalist extremists. Like, I’ve been in here since. It was just about MK Ultra and like, you know, secret societies. And that was the one that really flipped me was. Yeah. Oh, wait, you saying government mind control.

Not only is it real, but the only reason we know about it is because someone forgot to burn, like, a room full of seven, you know, boxes. And that was essentially what came out in the church committee hearings. They called it the family jewels. If that person hadn’t forgot about that room full of documents, we wouldn’t have any proof. And all the MK Ultra and the mind control stuff would still just be fiction. It would just be Hollywood. Oh, yeah. And it exists. Exists. You know, I know for, like I said, I was fed and like our family members are fed and.

Yeah, there’s some. Yeah, there’s some things out there. Yeah. That are. That are true. That are very true. And you sit back and you wonder and you’ll say, I knew it. You know, back then, we used to be like, 10 years ago, we’d be like. When we heard something, we’d be like, I don’t believe it. Nowadays we go, I knew it. I knew it. Yeah. And that’s how I feel. Yeah, I knew it. Yeah. I blame our country for keeping. For playing a stupid. You know, and like I said, as a. As a profiler, you know, you gonna tell somebody whose cognitive.

Cognitive abilities are diminishing, you’re gonna look in the camera in front of America and tell me everything’s fine, you know, and then. And then now look what happened. You know, and I’m like, that, that hurt. That as an American citizen, that hurt. That they lied to us like that. I wasn’t. Most people are mad. I’m hurt because, you know, so, yeah, I feel. I’m just so jaded. I got so much scar tissue that it, like, doesn’t even hurt anymore. So. I’ I’m a loyal fan of Yalls, man. You know, man, I was going to say I would write a rap song for y’all, but you, I think you got better skills than me from what I know about your history.

Now we can collaborate on something. Yeah, no, I’ve got some credentials we can work. Oh, my God, man, I can’t believe this. Okay, all right, well. And I gotta ask you, this might sound weird, but have you ever done pcp? Before, no. But a special unit I was on when I was overseas and investigate, I saw like, black sites are real. Okay. That’s all I would say. All right, so what did that have to do with pcb? How did that come out with pcb? It was out of black site. Okay. Somebody, hey, somebody was, somebody was being difficult, so they had to take a trip to a site that was black.

Yeah. So. And they learned three alphabets. How about that? This sounds like training day a little bit. I don’t know. You like shirts? Yeah, they. It wasn’t me. It was something. It was somebody else. I’m like, wow. I was like. And that’s when I was like, this is real. You know, I was like, wow. So it’s just like when I, because I go, if you look on my, on my social media, I go and speak at a lot of events in Europe and I speak at hacker conference. I teach people how to look out for certain phrases or words and text messages of people that are going to con you or try to get into your system.

And yeah, I, I first time at a hacker conference, I sat down, I said, hey, guys, is the, is the Dark Web real? Oh, man. Oh, yeah. They showed me some stuff. They took my computer, I said, gonna put no virus on this. And now we go. And man, I’m like, wow. Literally. They got into my dad’s computer. I’m in Washington D.C. with them. We’re in my dad’s computer in Fort Wayne, Indiana. And they got into his camera. Yeah, they got into his video camera. Yeah. Not to freak anyone out there, there’s a great video that was, just came on, on YouTube, but it was showing how easy it is to compromise any of the phone systems.

So even if you’ve got two factor authentication and it sends you a text on, all you need is someone’s phone number. And you can, for like probably less than $1,000, you can pay a hacker to have all of their cell phone traffic routed to your phone. So now if you ask for a two factor, it comes on yours. If someone calls them, they call you. You can make outbound calls. And it’s not hard. It just means you have to know how to do it and, or you have to know who to pay to do it. And that’s it.

And, and so much of our security is based around that. Right? Like there’s, there is no security. No, there’s not. And when we got, when we did our wiretaps, our T3s and stuff, and we wanted to get cell phones, you, we had to go and get what the ID in number. That long number on your phone. It’s like a serial. We I m. EI yeah, yeah, we had to get all that, man. But, yeah, somebody that’s. But I remember my brother, he was telling me this was like, two years ago. So it may have changed based on what you say.

Oh, the iPhone was the safest phone to use. They said it’s the only phone that couldn’t be penetrating. They said the only people that can do it is Israelis. They have. Matter of fact, the FBI. There was a mass shooting. A man and a woman shot up a place at a. At a. At a job work site in California probably about six years ago. He had an iPhone. They couldn’t crack it, and they sent it. The Israelis cracked it. Yeah, yeah. I was gonna say. I was assuming that just because the FBI has to show that they worked within the bounds of the law.

If they. If they didn’t have to show that, then it’s like, oh, yeah, look at that. It’s open. You know what? You got to meet my brother. When we. When he retires, he’s FBI. You. We’re night and day. He. I tell people he’s like on the Fresh Prince. He. But without the jokes. He’s. Yes, ma’am. Yes. Just the facts, ma’am. He uses his white voice. 24 dragnet. Sergeant Friday, he said, well, you use your white voice on tv. Well, the reason I asked you if you’ve ever done pcp, I’ve got a little segment. It’s called the Paranormal Conspiracy Probe.

So in fun pcp, I’ll play a quick little segment right now. Okay. Okay. Well, I didn’t. I’ll actually edit this out because I. Because we’re on Zoom, but I’ll. Okay. Okay. So the. The rules are really simple. Basically, I’m just going to mention a certain topic, and I just want you to rate. I’m going to get, like, a litmus test from you. You’re going to give it a one to a ten. So a one is like, that’s silly. I don’t believe that. And a 10 is like 100%. I believe that. And then if you’re like, I don’t care.

I don’t know. I’m on the fence. You can give it a five anywhere in between. Right. Pretty simple. All right, so, for example, we’ll start out with a silly one. We’ll. We’ll get into serious ones, too, but Bigfoot. What about Bigfoot? A one. Just a one across the board. Can’t get lower than that. What about the concept of flat Earth? That’s three. Three. I say three because there’s a, there’s a better chance of flat Earth than Bigfoot. Makes me think, I’m like, you know, I know it’s round, I’ve seen the globe, but I’m not. I’ve never fell off.

I’ve been around the world in back. I’ve never fell off. Yeah, so it makes you think. I know it’s. I know it’s round, but it makes you think, you know. Okay, no, open to it. What about aliens having landed on Earth at some point and just so it doesn’t get all like vague and open ended, like we’re talking little green men or little gray men, you know, X file aliens. Okay, you know what, I’m gonna have to say five. Yeah. Because I really do think that we do have something out there. I really do. Okay, now this one’s important to hear, like all the qualifications of this one.

That a human being has stepped foot on the moon in the last hundred years. Doesn’t have to be NASA, doesn’t have to be China, India, doesn’t have to be broadcast. Just that a human being has actually stepped foot on the moon in the last century. No, no, no one. So I’m sorry, one. One. Yeah. Okay, so I guess the next question kind of answers that self a little bit, but like how much credibility do you give the moon landing footage that we saw? Or maybe not me and you, but that was broadcast in the 60s, so that would have to be a one too, right? Yeah, all credit.

I give credit. Yes, yes. What about, do you think Stanley? Sorry, 10. 10. I’m sorry. Oh, so 10 that, that we hit the moon in the 60s. Yeah. But not 100 years ago. No. Yeah, no. Oh, sorry, let me, let me rephrase that. Not a hundred years ago. I just mean within the last hundred years has anyone stepped foot on the moon? So a full 10. Yeah, 10. And that the footage that was shown on TV of that moon landing footage, you think that that was 10 out of 10? That was not fabricated or anything? 10? Yep.

What about the concept of angels and demons? If we got like religious on it? Yeah, yeah, I believe. Yeah, I’m a firm believer. Yeah, like, like a 10. Firm believer or like an 800? 100. A hundred. Okay. What about ESP and telepathy? You know what I would say? I’mma say six. I’m going to say six because I think it does because my brother, my, I was in a coma for two months. And my brother knew. He called, he called the. My phone crying, saying, are you okay? Are you okay? And he left a voicemail message and I was in a coma.

Yeah. So you maternal twins. Uhuh. So that’s actually pretty fascinating. I don’t get to talk to a lot of maternal twins. Yeah. When you guys were growing up, outside that coma you were just talking about when you were growing up, did you ever have any sort of like telekinetic or telepathic connections whatsoever or is it just the coma? Just the coma, yeah, it was just a coma. Yeah. And you know what? I’m not gonna lie. It’s true about seeing people when you close to death. Because I. They had to brought me back to life. I was without oxygen for six, six minutes and they put me under and I lapsed.

And I saw my grandmother, you know, she’s the. And the reason I saw her, I’m a licensed therapist as well, so I. Well, I used to. I got my license, it expired two months ago. And I’m not practicing teaching nobody, just. Just so you know. But we talked about experience by seeing life experiences. And a patient of mine was talking about life experiences and I see it now. My grandmother, the reason she was so prevalent for me, because she meant a lot to me. She helped raise me and my brother. And the funny thing about it was when my grandma passed away, she was heavy set, had those ghetto mama arms, the flabby arms, you know, and had a sundress on.

But when I seen her in that vision, she had on one of those, those. She had a thin waist, had beautiful hair, skinny. I had on one of those Laverne and Shirley type skirts with a dog, a poodle on the side. Yeah, the poodle skirt. Like she’s in the 50s. Yeah. And she said, get up, boy, you ain’t done yet. And I’m. And I swear to God, I. I’m like, that one. That was real. That was real. And that’s when. And then I heard my brother’s voice because they said he was upset in the hospital, saying, why won’t you tell me what’s wrong with my brother? And then I woke up from my coma and he was gone.

They said your brother left three days ago. Yeah. What about. So, okay, telepathy, a strong six. It sounds like I probably even push you further now, but six is pretty good. Yeah. What about telekinesis? And this is the difference in like moving objects with your mind, not just talking with your mind. No, no. So not one or is this like a two. Okay. Yeah. Not one. I. I’m sorry. Yeah. I just don’t see it because I ain’t gonna say. I’m be honest with you. One, I’m a big fan of the Big Bang Theory and they talked about that a lot.

And two, I tried it myself. So if you can’t do it, then no one can do it. Is that how it works? I can’t believe I bit that. Yeah. What about looking at this water? I’ve never forgot. I’m staring, looking at this water and it’s not. But all I wanted to do was make a ring around like a little. Somebody dropped something. It was like. Like doing a Naruto run or something and thinking it’s gonna. To work. Yeah. What about then? I want to ask you on your opinion first, and then I’ll. I’ll walk back and I want to ask you in more vague terms, but your opinion, 1 to 10 on psychic investigators, like the people that actually market their skills to police and say, you know, the last time this kid was seen or whatever.

Yeah. That. You know what? I’m not gonna lie. They. They did that in the Atlanta Child Murders. Like I said, I’ve read everything about the land Chers and I as a detective, I mean, and 25 years, only had two. Two unsolved cases, and they still eats me to the day I died that I didn’t get to solve those cases. But. And I was hungry for one. I was hurting for one. I wanted one real bad. And I. I thought about it. Yeah. I’m not going to lie. I thought about it. Yeah. Is that usually the number? Well, yeah, I’m gonna have to say five.

Cause I thought about it, but I didn’t go through it. But. And the reason I didn’t go through with it, because I’m like. I could see the prosecutors, the chief and them, they see this report because I’m gonna have to tell them I can’t just lie about it because they gonna ask, who’ so I’m like, man, so. And I didn’t. Yeah. But I thought about it. Have you ever seen a case where someone made use of a psychic investigator? The Atlanta Child Murders. They used it. And the lady there, she was, man, come to think of it now, I don’t know, there’s this thing called Monsters.

It’s a podcast they call Monsters. And they did something on him and they, you know what? But as I’m trying to recollect, because I always. I love the Atlanta Child murder so much. I want to I want to open and solve it every time I go to Atlanta, of when I speak or whatever and give a lecture. I drive and always play that podcast. It’s 10 hours long and I play it back and forth and I know everything happened. I just play it. And she, yeah, she did say. She said he would be cunning, kind, intelligent.

Everyone said Wayne Williams had a high iq, very high iq, very intelligent. He would be connected to the community. He did. He had his own radio station in the basement. His mom and dad were teachers. So. Yeah. Yeah. Could she just have been a really good profiler and not a psychic? Yeah, yeah, I think so. Yeah. But you know what? Why not have both? So. So, yeah, well. And I guess I want to finish this off on something. You were like, ask me about this later how this went. So you said that you had a social media profiling class.

And I guess this, this dovetails into another question. I’ll just combine it into this one. But it’s like, like, what is the general sentiment from professional detectives, professional police, on the Internet sleuth movement? Like someone that listens a 10 hour podcast while they’re driving and now they’re like, I know who the lady, you know, bird like killer is. Let me go ahead and tell the cops. I’m not going to lie. As long as it’s not none of my cases that they making me look like, hey, they cool. But the minute they do, I’m like, them idiots don’t know now what’s their background? Yeah, that’s the true story.

True story. The minute they do touch one, like I said, I got two. I only got two K. In 25 years. I had two cases that. But if they touch one of them cases and they solve it, I’m like, them idiots, you know? But, yeah, but the ones that do that and the ones like the, the people, they. I guess the people on the monster thing, they help solve the case, you know, I like that. That’s good. Yeah. Because nobody else is doing it. And again, I tell people, me and my crew, that we go around and we like, we got a triple homicide we’re working in New Orleans and we got one here in Fort Wayne, Indiana, where kids showed no signs of a homicide, suicide.

Not being suicidal. No. No psychiatric diagnosis or anything like that. He was playing with his gun at a party. He was drink. He bought the gun for protection. They told him to take the magazine out. He took the magic magazine out. He went. People went on the, the. It was an apartment, so they went on the balcony and next thing you know, everybody left except for two people. The guy was passed out on the, on the chair. The guy with the gun. Next thing you know, they heard a shot. They say, they come back, he’s on the floor on the kitchen and the gun is on the counter on a stack of.

And there’s a stack of crackers on top of it. The, the officer even. And that’s the one case I found. Someone put it on top of the gun, not even move. Yeah, because the officer in the report court said that she had to remove the crackers to take a picture to get the serial number. So I’m like, how did this dude, you know? And they labeled it a suicide. Here’s the thing. Homicide detective didn’t get involved. There was no autopsy. There was no autopsy. The homicide detectives got involved, didn’t get involved. Crime scene didn’t even come.

They just had a uniform officer with a Polaroid in the back of their trunk take pictures. Oh, wait, crime scene did come. I’m sorry. Because Al’s a good friend of mine. He’s the kind of crime scene detective I worked with him. He did come. I saw his name on the report. No, he processed. Yeah, he did that, but that’s it. No follow up investigations, nothing. And they labeled it a suicide. And the family got in contact with me. They said, this can’t be a suicide. He. I said, because in Indiana when I was a homicide detective, the only way you can label a homicide, I mean a suicide, is if one, the psychiatrist swears to it, family members swear to it, or if they leave a suicide note if you don’t.

That’s a, that’s a, that’s a death investigation, which we gotta look into further. They. Nobody said anything. He didn’t get a, he didn’t write a suicide note. There’s no history of mental illness. As a doctor, physician didn’t say anything. Mom, dad, friends didn’t say anything. They just said he was drunk at the party, clowning around. They told him to take the magazine out. He took the magazine out. You know, and we all know there’s. And they didn’t even. Here’s the thing, there’s no, there’s only 11 photos. 11. I had, I had death investigations where people died of natural, natural classes.

We had, we took like maybe 60 photos. Only 11, man. And it was a small apartment. I mean, this sounds a little maybe the horrible analogy, but this is like the teacher dismisses class and then someone’s like, oh, you forgot to assign homework. And everyone looks at that person. Yeah, like, what, are you kidding? That’s Tracy. That’s my brother. That’s my brother. He used to do that in the academy. We used to. In the police camp. We used to get mad at him. It’s time for us to take a break. We want to get out there.

Hey. Oh my God. That. Oh my goodness. Yeah. So that’s someone at that crowd crime scene. It’s like, hey, wait a minute. Does anyone think this might maybe is not a suicide? Yeah. And everyone kind of side eyes. I’m like, bro, we can just check off a box and we go home tonight and when this is over. They did, man. Yeah, they look like they did. I mean, and I’m like, wow. You know, so I’m gonna have a. So I’m doing those steering cases and you know, so yeah, it. With that said, the people that I have on my team are retired.

Everybody’s retired. That way we don’t have to worry about repercussions, you know, like if I get somebody doing part time and they are homicide detective in New Orleans, I game to help me that’s messing with their case, you know, so. And another thing we do, the case has to be 15 years or older, which means 15 years, a 15 year old cold case, that’s hopeless. Which means that the prosecutor’s office, the detectives aren’t going to mind us looking through their paperwork or looking through this because they probably want some help. So that’s why we say it has to be.

A lady called saying her kid died like three years ago. I’m sorry, I can’t help you. Still, it’s in my opinion it’s still an active investigation. I’m not going to step on any toes. Yeah, is, is that an arbitrary number that you came up with? 15 years? Yeah, this is something like I said, 15 years. Because actually what it is is cases, people think cold cases go cold. Like it takes 10 years. No, cold cases are cold. Like I think after three years, two years, it’s cold. And when you hear the word cold case, I’m not going to lie.

Unless you have your own unit, your own room where you do your own work and you’re not influenced by robbery homicide, sex crimes and this and that, which what we had in cold case, we had our own area. You could down to the grind and just work on that case. But if not, it’s the case. You’re like, okay, it’s. It’s been, it’s been cold this long. What’s a few more days going to happen? And that’s that’s unfortunately, that’s what happens to cold cases. But they don’t realize witnesses, suspects die, you know, valid information dies, you know.

So I think you should get on it. Yeah. I think that’s kind of maybe my approach to conspiracy theory as well. And I sometimes I feel a little bit in the minority on this, but I tend to find more interest in theories and things that have happened decades, two decades plus ago. Because when you jump on something that just happened last week, it’s like, oh, the. Like I’ve got all these opinions on Diddy. Well, guess what? You’re going to have to wait for like court cases to come out. New information, there might be w. And now it’s like you’re constantly revising your story.

I would rather just wait for all the info to come out and then be able to reflect back on the whole body of work instead of being caught up in like the day to day, I guess. You are so right. Right. You are. Oh, my God, you. You’re 100. Yeah, 100. So right. Yeah. I like to sit back and wait. Yeah. I’m not gonna jump on it. And that’s what I see a lot, you know, And I mean, and here’s another thing. All these people, all these famous people, all these stars thinking it’s funny, putting in their two cents on social media.

Guess what? I, you know, if I was Diddy, I said, call them up as a witness. Now. Yeah. Inconvenience them. Call them up as a witness. They are. They are. Pull the tape from April, I got you on there. Yeah. Legally. They are actually legally their witnesses because they made a dumbass comment on there, which people, which may or may not make sense. Like saying, oh, yeah, I was there. You know, somebody. You could think of all these people saying stuff about him. If I was his defense attorney, I would, I would call all these people as witnesses.

And what’s going to happen is the jury’s going to get dull. They’re going to get tired of hearing the same story over and over again. It’s going to be acquittal. Because you hear all that story again, it’s going to build doubt. They say everybody. Yeah. That’s what I would do. And then you’re going to have some people up there saying, I was just playing, I didn’t mean this. And that the jury hears that, they think, how many more people were just playing. I would. If I was, If I was his defense, I’d call everyone up there, put them on a witness stand.

Well, well, speaking of, let’s let’s bring this back home, because I want to hear what happened to your social media profiling class. Okay? All right. I developed a new class. It’s how to profile social media. Because, like, I said, three things I’m great at. And, you know, you know what? I ain’t say nothing about being. Being married or a father. This. I say criminal profiling because it was. It’s passionate to me. I literally ate it. But what happened was I developed this course, this syllabus, and it was a class, and it was a good class. A lot of people came and a lot of students signed up for it.

Then one day, one very, like, like on mash, when radar says that how Henry Copter crashed, one very bad day, this lady walks in and asked me to profile this. This page on Facebook. So we profiling and we’re looking at. What I do is I profile out words. I read the words. I do handwriting samples, like the ones that, like, the guy that wrote. What made me do that. The guy who wrote an op ed on President Trump when he was president. At the time, I said, this is a military person who wrote that. The words that they’re using.

And it was. It was Mark Milley who wrote it. But what happened was we do that. We profile the words, we profile the pictures, the emotions of the pictures. We profile even the names. The names. The social media name they use that. They don’t. If they don’t use their real name, we profile the meaning behind that, everything. And what happened was I said my profile said that this man is. Has three kids in a different state, he has four girlfriends, and he’s looking at crim. And he’s looking at a potential criminal case. And that’s. That’s very specific.

Guess what? It was all true. And it was husband. I didn’t know it was her husband, man. Oh, no. Oh, my God, man. I get called to the president’s office. I mean, I ain’t getting. Not principal president. We talking about university, bro. And man, I’m there. She crying and this and that and yeah, so that class. Oh, I never doing that class again. Matter of fact, when I’m on space giving lectures and stuff, people say, hey, can you profile me? I’m like, hell, no. So, I mean, I was just a fleeting thought that I don’t want to say, but I was like, yeah, what.

What if you profiled me? But, like, I don’t know if I want that smoke right now either. Yeah, that’s some smoke, man. Like Shannon Sharp said, that’s some Smoke, man. This dude was like, oh, my God. Yeah, he went to jail. He was in a. He was in a dog fighting where. He ran a dog fighting ring in Ohio. And he was. He had kids there, and the woman was. He was living with a woman at. In Ohio at his farm where they fought and raised pit bulls. Then he come back to Fort Wayne to be with the other one.

Yeah. So, yeah, it was a true story. So she. She contacted me, actually. I’m gonna. I hope she. She probably gonna be bad, because I’m talking about. No, but she’s cool now. She contacted me probably about three weeks ago. She said, hey, did I just see you on tv? So, yeah, she said, oh, my God, you sound so smart. And I’m like, yeah. And so I think she. I think she did that to get back at me. But, yeah, we talking. And yeah, she’s like, but I’m really glad that you did that. She said, I was going down a dark hole with that, man.

I’m glad you did that, but it just hurt at the time. I’m sorry. I snitched in, made a big deal about it. I’m like, it’s cool. It’s cool. So, yeah, see, I was completely expecting you. I was expecting you to say that you started like a monster, and you came in and you had all these soccer moms tearing into people’s lives. But no, you were just so good at it that he blew up somebody’s family. Yeah. Oh, my God. Yeah, I did, dad. You know what? That’s. My dad said. He said, man, you wrecked somebody. I like, that family was wrecked, man.

So. Oops, sorry. So that could be a s. I mean, people would pay for that service. Yeah. Yeah, it was fun. And I, like, I said, we do it for free when we go. And we. And like, I said, we don’t give. And I tell people when we talk about when we go and do cases. I said, you know what? We don’t. We may not get the case solved for you, but we’re gonna give you answers. Definitely more answers. What you got now? So. And that’s all. That’s all they want. They just want to know who was the person that took my baby’s life, you know, Tell me about that person.

What was they thinking? You know? So. Yeah. Well, I would love to have you come back on and do some probe. Not of me, but it’s like, we could do a jfk. We could do a Diddy. We could do an Epstein. That would be awesome. I think this audience would really love that have one of your viewers email you with a. With a case and me and you will talk about it. I’ll write a profile and. Yeah, so. Or let’s do it. Yes. Anyone listening? Hit me up. Let me know what, what profile should we do? Is there.

Is there something that’s like more in your wheelhouse versus out of your wheelhouse or like the things like, like somebody asked me, somebody was doing. Okay, here’s the thing. Doing the kinesics, basically studying body movements and stuff like that. I’m certified in that and I teach how to do. Oh, like micro suggestions and stuff. Yeah. When people know when people are uncomfortable and they move their eyes to the left when they’re asking a question or is this, is this NLP you’re talking about? Yeah, I did a. I was doing a background check on the investigation when I was in the Fort Wayne pd.

I was part of the. One of the officers that volunteered to do backgrounds. And we get a kid. We don’t use polygraph, which I think sucks. Polygraphs are better. We use voice stress tests, which you can beat if you know how to sing because all it is is controlling your vocal cords and your stomach muscles. And I’ve been trying to tell them to get rid of it for years. But anyway, we asked the guy, we said, have you ever did drugs before? He did like this. And why he started wiping his shoe. He said no. I was like, so that’s part of kinesics, things that just give away.

And that’s what I teach those too. So. Yeah. Yeah. And I guess that’s another. Another tangent we’ll leave. But it’s interesting. The polygraph versus Just straight up, like my gut tells me he’s lying or not, but the polygraph is measuring skin elasticity and like all sorts of biofeedback patterns. You. And here’s the thing. I do, I do research on that. Some people you can. You can. You can’t beat a polygraph. Only people that can beat a polygraph and tell you true. Guess who think gets to just guess. I would probably say psychopaths are people that have habitual.

Yeah. People that have convinced themselves of their own lies. Yes. Habitual liar will pass one because they believe that. They believe their own lies. They will pass. Well, I’ve heard. I’ve heard too. I mean, I’ve heard a lot of different. Different theories on how to beat polygraphs. The two ones is, one is you put attack in your shoe or something and you just step on it for every question so that it always Brings you unease, I guess. Does that have any validity to it? That that is. But you. Yeah, but that it is. It’s, it’s validity because it causes pain and it causes an increase in your, your heart.

But here’s the thing. And you’re trying to throw off the baseline, right? So you, you attack yourself when they ask you your name and you’re like, you step on it. So now it’s like all your answers will have some sort of strain to it. Yes. Because I studied this, because I studied. I thought we were going to be. When I was with the marshals. I’m sorry. I took a class because I wanted to get trained in polygraph and so I learned everything about it. One thing. Sphincter muscle. Next time you go to your doctor and they put a cup around you or you’re at CVS or something, just mess around.

Squeeze your sphincter muscle, your blood pressure is going to go skyrocket, guaranteed. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. And I guess the other one I’ve heard, I’ll have to, have to look into that one too. The other one I heard is that for the voiced stress, is that if someone asks you a question, you just ask yourself a different question. Did you have an egg today? No. Or is, or is that like, would that be too high level? Would you already have to be a habitual liar? Yeah, that’s too, yeah, that’s for the habitual because I’m gonna tell you why.

That’s too much compartmental lean. That’s too much for a quick response. Response like that. That’s too fast. That’s too fast of a response. Because, because one, you, you don’t know what question they’re going to ask, so you gotta stop and there’s going to be a pause. You got to stop think of a lie real quick. That pause may only be 3/10 of a second, but it’s paused enough to be noticed. Because like me, if I, if I tell a lie, I’m left handed. So the left side of my brain is the most dominant. If I tell a lie, I’m gonna look up to the right.

If you ask me a question and I can’t remember it, I’m gonna look to the left and what I’m doing to the left is explaining. Okay, I’m telling you the TR. Just can’t remember. So what? Okay, yeah, I was wearing red that day. If you told me a lie, look like that. Look down. There’s a right. Yeah. In NLP terms, this is like you’re either accessing Memories or you’re creating new memories essentially on the spot, right? Yep. Now here’s one both my ex wife and my mom said is that I can’t cure. And it’s true. I always say, huh? And what that I, you know.

And so I selfie back. But when you get caught, you mean it means what. What I’m doing is I’m giving myself that huh. If you ask me a question, giving myself in my mind, the self to think of a lie, you know, because you’re going to have to say it again. That’s why I say, huh. So pause. We’re pausing everything. Like in the virtual world, it’s frozen. And while you’re thinking of a question, I’m thinking of a lie. So yeah, that, yeah. My mom was like, yeah, you always say, huh. And yeah, I’ve heard that all.

I’ve heard that a long time, but I haven’t heard it in the last probably like last, probably seven years. Yeah. Be real talk. Last several years. But I used to use a lot, so. All right, well, we’ll start wrapping them. I definitely think that we can get together again, have some fun, some more conversations, tell people again where they can find you. Any other shows you got going on? All the things. Okay, Is that crux conception? You just Google that crux conception on Facebook, social media. I don’t have a website because most of the things I used to do, I used to travel.

And you’ll see all my talks, you’ll see talks about mental health on my YouTube. There’s one talk about mental health, about PTSD. You got a TED Talk, right? You got a TED Talk? Yeah, TED Talk about how to use. How to use active listening skills to communicate with people. So, yeah, it’s actually, it’s pretty cool. I got some speeches, I do poems. Got some poems in there too. So yeah, so that’s pretty fun. It’s something cool. It took me a while to try to find out who I was after I retired because for so many years I was that black dude who had a picture of Shaft on his business card.

So, you know, now I did. Really? But, but yeah, because Shaft, I love Shaft, you know, so that. Be honest with you, that’s the only fake like cop type show that I love was Shaft because he was just so cool. Yeah, I guess I’ll have all your links and everything down below if anyone wants to go and follow up with you and everything. And then I guess otherwise, man, we’re looking forward to having you back, talking about some more things, maybe talking about music, all kinds of stuff. This has been another episode of Paranoid American Podcast.

Thanks for everyone for stopping around. What else you got? Everybody? Don’t forget to watch. If they can watch csi, the real CSI Miami, you can go on Hulu or Paramount Plus. Yeah. So how do we get you paid more? Do it. Does everyone give, like a thumbs up or like a subscribe or like, I tell everybody because people are like, in here, they’re like, what you still doing in four, Wayne, man, how come you ain’t in Hollywood? I’m like, season two, man. Season. If we get a season, things gonna change. All right? So. Yeah, yeah. So, I mean, I know this is like, might sound a little bit hollow because you’re literally like.

Right. Like, we’re talking to each other. We’re kind of like promoting your thing. But I love the cbs. The real CSI Miami, the. I mean, I guess I’m also in Florida, so I kind of like link to it. XXXTentacion video. Like, everything about it was really well produced, though. I mean, I mean, Florida when he got killed. Yeah, I mean, I’ve been here for the last 20 years, so I wasn’t in Miami or anything. But did it really blow up and did it really. Was it really big news back then? Maybe not as much to me, just because I don’t know how much you pay attention to Florida rappers, but Florida rappers is probably like, one of the most dangerous careers on the planet.

In fact, in the last five or six years, there was entire rap crews that would kill each other and then drop a song, talking about exactly who did it, how they shot him, what gun they used to shoot them when they shot, like, the location. And then the prosecutors are just like, oh, this is easy. And they just go after him releasing songs. But this was going on for like three or four years. I’ll have to send you some really crazy. Yeah, yeah. Please do, please. I want to look at that. Please do. Yeah. This was something specific to Florida rap too, which I don’t know what it is in the water down here, but there’s something then.

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