Loose Change (2005): The DEFINITIVE 9/11 Documentary? | Under the Docs 003

“Loose Change,” a documentary directed by Dylan Avery, provides a comprehensive analysis of the 9/11 event, challenging various theories and presenting anomalies related to the incident. The film uses historical evidence and eyewitness accounts to suggest a possible conspiracy behind the attacks. It highlights a series of events and exercises that took place before 9/11, suggesting that there might have been prior knowledge of the attacks. The documentary also questions the official narrative by pointing out inconsistencies in the accounts of the planes and the pilots involved.
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The movie “Loose Change” is a significant piece in the conspiracy theory genre, focusing on the events of 9/11. It presents skepticism backed by evidence, challenging the mainstream narrative of the event. The film has had a significant cultural impact, giving birth to the term “truther” and inspiring movements like Occupy Wall Street. It’s considered a pillar of conspiracy theory films and podcasts, and its influence continues to be felt today.
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Under the docks. Yeah, under the docks. Very deep. But we breaking the locks got cut. They erase all the shots. They connect the dots. Under the docks. Under the docks. Yeah, under the docks. Loose change from 2005 was directed and narrated by Dylan Avery. And for this one, I specifically watched the second edition HD remaster from 2017. And I’ll talk a little bit about the different versions of this, but why are we talking about Loose Change? Well, because Loose Change was probably the 911 documentary. There were a whole bunch of other ones that had come out around this time.

But Loose Change did it the way that no one else was able to. I think it’s even better than Alex Jones documentary into the same kind of topic. It takes such a measure, measured, methodical, laser focused approach and just dismantles all these different 911 debunking theories. Like, even before they have a chance to like weasel into your mind, they kind of spell out all the different anomalies behind 9 11. The two towers, Building 7, Shanksville, the Pentagon. Every single bit of 9 11. This is the most comprehensive 911 documentary for kind of the masses. One that you would actually sit down and be able to watch start to end.

That is Loose Change. And it would be impossible to do a documentary series that starts out talking about conspiracy theories and not include Loose Change in this. So that’s why we’re talking about it. We are starting with the pillars, right? The pillars of the conspiracy community. And you could start this movie because it filled in all the blanks that you had. Because right after 9 11, Michael Moore’s Fahrenheit 911 came out and it was like, oh, Bush is golfing all the time, he’s on vacation and blah, blah, blah. This actually filled in the blanks and went into the.

The reports and the actual news clips and people’s first boots on the ground experience from first responders and actual eyewitnesses. In my opinion, Loose Change absolutely bodied Michael Moore. It showed that Michael Moore was all about the. The glitz and the glamour of the documentary and like the emotional tearjerker crap. And that this was an actual documentary about that topic. It didn’t talk about Bush playing golf with like silly little Benny Hill music behind the scenes. This one went right into the meat man. This one definitely holds up too. Heavy hitting right away when you start it.

Like, you know that there’s something, not just mismanagement, but actually a plot and a scheme to have this operation done. So let’s just get right into plot in the course on this one. Here are the main claims made by this documentary. There are a lot. So I’m going to give the the heavy hitters and we can talk about them in a little bit more detail in a second. So the movie starts out talking about operation Northwoods from 1962. It was this plan by the CIA where they were going to stage a commercial airliner being attacked by painting a drone and then remotely detonating it.

And then using this as a premise to basically start a war in Cuba or just to start some sort of an international conflict. That Operation Northwoods, 1962, false flag. Then it talks about how in 1984 there was a controlled impact demonstration by NASA showing how to intentionally run an airplane directly into the ground. Then it shows a 1997 cover from FEMA Emergency Response for this terrorism study. And it specifically shows two twin towers with a big cross eye over one of those towers. 1997, okay. 1998, they talk about how Raytheon has this Global Hawk, which is the first unmanned vehicle that does its entire test flight.

This is 1998, 1999, NORAD starts these drills specifically about hijacked airliners being flown into the World Trade Center. And the Pentagon, this is in 99. Then in the year 2000, Department of Justice releases a manual that looks very similar to that 1997 FEMA again showing the crosshairs on the World Trade Center. It’s kind of showing. Okay, here’s just a bunch of historical proof things that you can’t scrub because they actually existed in our timeline. Then it talks about in the year 2000, the project for New American Century, which is. They describe it as a conservative think tank.

They released something, a paper called Rebuilding America’s Defenses, in which it suggests a new Pearl harbor as being one of the only things that can kind of get America back on track and unified is. Is a quote, unquote, new Pearl Harbor. Then it shows in again from the year 2000, something called Project Moscow, which simulates a Boeing 757 crashing directly into the Pentagon. This was also cited as. They didn’t go completely through some of these, these tests because they were too outlandish. It didn’t make. It wasn’t realistic enough to actually do these drills in 2001, in April, this is when that happened.

The Pentagon discussed simulating a plane being flown directly in the Pentagon, but it gets dismissed. Finally, right before 911 happens, they issue new guidelines for airline hijacking, stating that the DoD has to request direct intervention from the Secretary of Defense, whereas Prior to this, they could have acted on their own accord. Then John Ashcroft starts only flying charter jets. He switches from using commercial airlines to only doing private charter jets. 2001, July, bin Laden goes to an American hospital in Dubai, meets with the local chief of the CIA. This was also mentioned in the Zeitgeist movie that we previously talked about.

Then they talk about how Larry Silverstein signs this first and only in a lifetime 3.5 billion dollar terrorism insurance policy six weeks before the buildings that he insure actually get to make good on this. It also mentions how 3 or 4 days before 911 there was a 5x daily options put options put against Boeing. Shortly after 11 times the normal amount of put options get leveraged against American Airlines. So they’re kind of indicating that lots of previous knowledge in different industries, people being warned not to fly. The movie then talks about a program called Vigil, Vigilant Guardian in which NORAD was doing these exercises.

There was another one called Northern Vigilance which moved all of our fighter jets to northern Canada, into Alaska, moving them as far away from D.C. and from Pennsylvania and from New York they possibly could. I’m going to keep going, but the. This is basically the movie starting out. It shows you. Here’s some historical examples of false flag operations. Here’s examples of the government not only considering this exact scenario, but doing all sorts of exercises and putting out pamphlets. And everyone knew about this. And then it’s going to lead into that showing the exact same clips we saw in Zeitgeist with a bunch of politicians going, no one ever could have seen this coming.

This is just so out of left field. We never thought this was going to happen. The way that you just presented it is. The perfect way to talk about loose change is they come with receipts from the beginning to the end. Right away they’re like, hey, look at this timeline of events that has happened that I can prove to you that it happened. That you can go into the archive, the old, you know, the archive machine, and find this stuff. That’s why I think it was good that you did this special second edition where it starts out a little different and heavy hits.

Right away it just goes, hey, this happened, this happened, this happened. Slaps, slaps you upside your face of where you can look each individual event up and you can find the receipt of this happening or being drafted or an idea that was out there in the public sphere or almost tested or exercises that actually happened. And I love how they bring the receipts first too because then they start getting into the claims and the witness statements and other people’s testimony. But at this point we’ve got a foundation of facts that you can look up. So as it gets into, I guess some of the, the subjective or at least the witness reports, it talks about an interview where there was someone saying they saw the plane flying in the building, but there were no windows on the side of it, that it was not a normal plane and it had this weird blue logo on the front.

They kind of emphasized that a few times. They talk about how the buildings are being demolished and falling into their own footprints, which is an anomaly for a building just falling on its own accord versus a planned demolition. It talks about the pilots. One of them in particular, this Hani hanger guy that he couldn’t speak English, he couldn’t land a Cessna by all sort of metrics. He was not even mediocre, he was like less than mediocre. But somehow he was this guy that pulled off these incredible maneuvers they talk about to do that. Like the, the best pilots in the world couldn’t perfect this.

But this guy that could not pass his flight training and his simulators were horrible that he got these one in a million shots. You know what I mean? Yeah. But beginner’s luck is a real thing, I guess. It shows a whole bunch of images of known plane crashes. Like, like non 911 plane crashes. Like here’s what a plane crash looks like. And another and another and another. They just show you a whole bunch of variety and they note like, okay, look, you can see where it hit, you can see the impact point, you can see chunks of the wing.

There’s bodies, there’s debris, there’s all these things. Okay, now let’s look at 911 planes where they just are gone. They just vaporize, they disappear, they disintegrate in midair. All these anomalies. Then it does the same thing. Here’s a building that was on fire for four hours, eight hours. Here’s one that was on fire for 24 hours. The entire building from the bottom floor to the top floor, completely engulfed in flames, yet none of them fell down. Then it shows a whole bunch of people talking about cruise missiles and how the cruise missile looked like this thing that got released from the Pentagon footage.

And this movie, unlike Zeitgeist, is not afraid to make claims. He just straight up says in Loose Change I think it’s a cruise missile that hit the Pentagon. That’s why we don’t see some of this wreckage. I, I love that part of not mincing words, here’s what they think, here’s what they’re projecting. Then they start talking about free falls and how a building in freefall is different than one that just falls. Naturally they talk about Building 7 and the official story being that an internal fire ignited fuel tanks in the building and that those fuel tanks helped weaken the structure and then it falls.

They make a very interesting claim that Building 7 was only the third building in history to fall from fire alone. The first two being the World Trade Centers 1 and 2, right? So these three buildings, not only the first to fall just from fire, but also the first three to fall from fire into their own footprints without being controlled demolitions. Wink, wink. So this is probably like the crescendo of it making these great points and with the great points backing it up not with just receipts, but with scientific data having engineers and different scientists and people expert in these fields of saying, hey, buildings don’t collapse like that.

And it was something that you could finally hold on to, like where zeitgeist may miss the, the point a bit where a quote unquote, someone that wouldn’t be used to this, maybe a normie or not into conspiracies. You might say some things like, oh, the bankers are ruling the world and it doesn’t make sense to them. But when you can point out, hey, this specific engineer that builds buildings that can show you proof that this has never happened and now it has, it is something strange. This movie also has a lot of witness and sort of like first hand testimony from people talking about this.

One particular is this guy, William Rodriguez, who was a janitor in the World Trade center and he talks about being in the building and he hears an explosion in the basement first and then he hears the plane hit the building at the top of the of the World Trade center and he’s describing it in that like here I am in the building and I can hear something explode under me and feel it explode under me. And then I hear and feel something crash into the top. But then there’s all these other explosions in the upper floors that he’s feeling and hearing that are separate from the plane making this impact.

Then it cuts immediately to firefighters talking about this exact same thing. Even the firefighters are like, man, it was wild. It looked like a controlled demolition. One of them literally goes, we’re in there and we just hear boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. And he’s kind of gesturing this like controlled demolition aspect as like these different explosions are all happening in sequence from the top of the Building down to the bottom. So this is footage that you don’t see cited as often. Usually when someone’s like, 911 is an inside job, it gets into all this ambiguous territory.

Here are very specific claims that there were secondary explosives planted in the building and that these people weren’t just like. It kind of feel. Felt like that. It kind of looked like that. They’re like, I was in the building, and I heard this, and I saw it, and I felt it with my own body. Which is completely different than a conspiracy theorist that’s like, zooming in 10x and, like, can you see a squib right there? It kind of looks like dust is poking out of the building. Like, these are people that. Unless this guy, you know, when they were shooting all this footage, they were like, all right, just make up a really great, cohesive conspiracy theory that will actually measure out.

Like, it has a very strong sense of authenticity, at least from the people that they’re talking to. Like, the day of this happening. Well, being one person, maybe you can think of it being somebody trying to push the. The limits. You got to remember, there’s no social media, so you’re not getting views and clicks and likes. You’re just saying what you feel. And when you have multiple accounts of people saying almost the same thing, very similar, it really gets that feel of this. Okay, this is what happened. Because it paints a picture of people on the ground there that day, not only feeling and hearing and even talking to other people.

Like, I seen an explosion. I heard this happen. Like, you really get the nitty gritty of what happened that day. And speaking of talking to other people, this movie also ends referencing this thing called Project Achilles, in which they basically were able to prove, according to this movie, that you couldn’t make cell phone calls in the air, which a lot of the claims. They’ve got all these recorded calls of people calling up their mother, and it’s like, hi, Mom. It’s me, David Johnson, your son. You know me, David Johnson, your son. Anyways, there’s terrorists here. Okay, gotta go.

Bye. Like, the weirdest calls with people announcing their names in very specific ways. There’s one instance of a lady that. That’s calling family, but there’s a lack of any other background noise. There’s no one screaming. There’s, like, no one panicking. And they make a very specific claim that cell phones just straight up wouldn’t have worked. And I’ve seen this brought up and debunked time and time again. It’s just another One of those small little tidbits like oh I forgot about that. That is one other anomaly about 911 that you hear these claims about people that were able to just put the cell phone out of their pocket and make calls which normally doesn’t work.

And you know the reasoning behind not even using a cell phone in a plane. A lot of pilots, if you talk to them they’ll say well it doesn’t of our equipment. It’s just a little annoying because it might go into our headphones. You know what I mean? It’s not as detrimental as people make it seem in general. But that’s what I think on this second edition he came out with the guns ablazing like he heard the critics, he heard people trying to debunk his stuff and he was like I’m gonna over analyze and I’m gonna punch you to death.

And again this movie doesn’t mince words. He straight up comes and says and my conclusion was that 911 was a psychological attack and a controlled demolition that unequivocally that he kind of states that at the end and again re watch it. He makes a really compelling case for why he thinks this. So yeah, there’s plot in the course. Again, this is specifically about 911. It goes so deep. This is the money masters of 911 definitely man. It goes so thorough. And again you can go back and research any of the information he’s giving you and you will see it.

Now you might not find some of the videos. A lot of the videos have been scrubbed. So that’s why it is good that this documentary is archived and, and on the Internet, the forever Internet. And it will be there. But yes, you can go look at documentation, declassified operations and plots and plans that were in place for me this one. It’s easy to talk about the hidden treasure. So let’s talk about the treasure first. The structure of this movie is phenomenal. The way you already mentioned that it starts out with here’s all the receipts from the 1960s up until the day of 2001.

Here’s all the receipts. First, before we even get into subjective claims, before we get into witness, you know, first hand accounts. Here is the documented research that you can verify for yourself before anything crazy pops off. You also just mentioned that this movie has so many clips and sound bites from the TV that morning and that week that all this happened. Many of which are nearly impossible to find anymore. They’ve either been scrubbed or I don’t know what other word you would use for this that makes it so hard. But Loose Change does such a service by collecting all these different things and putting them together in context in a way that you can’t take it back away unless someone comes out with, like, the third cut and they just, like, neuter all of it.

But this one, it. It basically, it brings the receipts everywhere it can. It shows the names of documents, the dates in which things happen, the cities in which things happened. It names the witnesses that it’s talking to. It’s not just some guy said or here’s a guy saying something. It’s like, here’s the guy’s name, here’s who he is. Here is the reason why he was in this building. Another, I guess the. The biggest pro, for me, the biggest hidden treasure here is the amount of care that went into making this documentary legit. This is not Money Masters.

In that case, it’s definitely not Zeitgeist, because this one has a very high level of, like, commercial retail polish. And I guess the best example of that is that there even is a second edition, and there’s a Second Edition HD remaster. And if you search for Loose Change Second Edition HD remaster, it’s going to point you directly to Amazon and Apple and all of these places where you can stream it right now and pay money in order to do so. Versus Money Masters and Zeitgeist and some of the other conspiracy documentaries that we talk about. Those ones, you kind of have to go on Pirate Bay.

You kind of have to go and find, like, some weird, sketchy torrent and go on archive.org. this one has sort of like, shown the test of time in that it’s still commercially viable and it holds up. It looks like a professional ass documentary. Professional, like, top of the line. Yeah, Yeah. I want to hear your. Your treasure on this one. Yeah, so my treasure on this one is basically like, all the stuff you said for sure, like the high quality. It’s a mix of, like, Zeitgeist and Money Masters. Not on the subject matter necessarily. Even those, like, guys did lift a lot of the material from Loose Change on their, like, 911 section.

Like, they kind of just highlight, you know, what Dylan put together. But I think that the true gem in this is the eyewitness accounts, the. The so many people that day, the firefighters, the police, the janitor, I forgot his name, that you just mentioned him. But all these people that actually heard and really feel like it was a controlled demolition, which really sets the point that he’s making. It’s not just making a claim and saying, hey, it’s controlled demolition. He’s saying, like, oh, I think it’s controlled demolition. And this is why I think that and. And with providing the receipts and people actually being there really gives me the feel.

And that’s the hidden gem to me that makes this movie. With all the receipts and all the facts that has. Together with the transitions and great editing, the. This is what Hollywood would make as a conspiracy movie, but without the. The people that were on the ground that day telling what they not edited, not like, persuade their actual. Like, this is what I saw and aired forever is. Is my highlight of the. The whole film. And here’s the hardest part for me is what is the overboard moment? Like, what. What are the cons? Where does this movie fall flat? And I’m just unable to separate myself from my bias of this movie just reflecting everything that I wanted to hear.

And I’ve. I’ve kind of come to believe in so many different ways. I don’t know, man. I don’t know what’s wrong with this. In fact, this second edition remaster, it’s a tight, like 70 minutes. It’s not even like a two hour, three and a half hour. Like, they get in, they get out, they leave you with the receipts, and there’s not a lot of fluff on top. So, man, it’s. It really, really was hard for me to think of a downside of this movie. I don’t even. Okay if I had to come up with one. It’s just that you might not realize that there’s a second edition and a second edition HD remaster.

If you’re searching online, you might find an older edition of this movie, which maybe doesn’t have the same tight editing, and it doesn’t hit as quickly and as hard with those receipts. But, I mean, what am I just gonna critique, like an older, outdated version that clearly Dylan Avery already knew and kind of corrected that. Yeah, I’m with you. I had a huge bias, but I had to come up with something because this was like my conspiracy gospel. When this came out, I was like, this was the holy grail of like, oh, my gosh, now every argument you have, you have an answer.

You know what I mean? You. You could really set things home. Now. I think the only drawback would be to, as we said with Zeitgeist, how the Bible thumpers may not be able to get past some parts. I think heavy patriotism and people that buy into a lot of the America stuff might not be able to digest this very well. And I know at the time, if you question 911 and watching this film, trying to get people at the time to watch this, it was like sacrilegious to say the least. You know what I mean? To even offer an alternative perspective other than, yeah, these guys just had box cutters and jumped on a plane and crashed it.

Dude. It’s crazy. Like, yeah, if you, if you remove any chance of criticizing the United States or politicians of the CIA, then there’s like, there’s really nothing left to lose. Change, right? Like, you have to open your mind up to the fact that the government is not your best friend and that the CIA might actually do horrible things against our own citizens for the sake of political power. And like global theater, the deep dive. Let’s test the waters on this one a little bit. There’s not really a, a specific major claim that I can go into even more detail.

This movie does such a great job of stating the claim and saying, here’s the official government documentation. So the one out of all this, the one that really stands out the most for me, that feels the most damning and I’m going to ignore all the control demolition stuff because that almost goes on, like your visual interpretation. Oh, it kind of looks like this to me. I’m not an expert in control demolitions, but I. There’s this one claim about the Vigilant Guardian program and there was also like the Northern Vigilant north or whatever it was called. And this is where NORAD was told to scramble all of its fighter jets.

And the most damning clip is someone saying, hey, we need you to reroute over to New York. We’ve got a hijacked airliner, it’s going to fly into this building. And the guy on the other end says, is this part of the simulation or is this real world? And the guy’s like, this is real world. The fact that they even have that recorded is this part of the simulation is sort of the, the best proof that I guess we can have, aside from government documentation stating that they were doing these. But this is how it was allowed to happen.

This is how NORA had the stand down order. They were forced to be able to contact the Secretary of Defense directly in order for them to scramble on their own. And even if they wanted to, those planes were not available to them because they were either in, you know, Florida or they’re up in Alaska. So there was, or they were like upper region of Canada. There was no way for NORAD or for the anyone to really do anything about this event. And it was just so convenient that the exact thing that happened was being an exercise that same exact morning.

They make a great statement about the 7. 7 bombings doing that same thing. So to me, that is the most major claim and that’s the one that I haven’t found any sufficient debunking. It was like, oh no, they were talking about some other extra because that would make it even crazier. What. There was a third, you know, sort of experiment going on that morning. So yeah, that to me, that is the. The big deep dive. That’s the testing the waters. And again, they have the receipts and fun fact, I use that clip in my intro for my album Dystopian paradise because I thought that what they did there, that audio, it captures the audience better, right? You know, you can show them a document and hey, this guy, read this document.

But to hear actual real world, hey, is this an exercise or like, what hap. What’s going on, man? Like, I think that was good. And to me, what I got from the whole movie and like you said, he hammers at home at the end is the skepticism of the media and the psychological warfare that it felt like we have been under since this movie came out. You know, it was really, for me personally, it opened that door for me to look into all this psychological warfare things that go on and think tanks and. And could this be a possibility of control.

I think they did a better job of putting that forward than Zeitgeist because Zeitgeist try to go. I think they went two around everywhere. But I think with loose change. For me, their skepticism backed with the receipts is a lot easier to argue against. You know what I mean? Like to. To argue against people that don’t believe what you believe. And when you’re telling them like, hey look, this engineer said this, hey, this able danger is a real thing. Like, you know what I mean? Like, it’s not something that’s made up and you can show them documentation.

I think that’s where they really got me and they pushed me towards the skep. This is my first push to get away from old media classic traditional Hollywood and news networks. And we’re far away from old world media. When this comes out and you’re watching loose change and this is where the ripples and the waves come in. This is like the historical and the cultural impact of this movie. First of all, jet fuel can’t melt still beams. That’s like a meme now. And I would say that if you had a pinpoint the exact Birthplace of that meme.

It came from Loose Change. Because Loose Change spends a good five to 10 minutes solid on this very specific concept that it couldn’t have just been jet fuel. It couldn’t have just been fuel that was in the basement of Building 7 that caught on fire. And they kind of lean into it being thermite or it being some other, you know, specific controlled demolition practice. There’s no way, according to this movie, that it could have just been the plane flying into the building that caused all of that. So, yeah, Jet Fuel came out. Still beams that that comes directly from Loose Change.

Also, culturally, I mentioned at the end of our last episode, but that this movie was actually available on select Virgin flights. The, you know, Virgin record company that has their own airline, they actually made this available for an in flight movie. Now, I’m sure it was just like sort of a promo thing, like a PR campaign that they had. But what would it feel like watching Lose Change in the air? You know what I mean? Especially you’re like flying into New York. I couldn’t imagine. They’re like, I just hope the government doesn’t do anything to this flight or that you got the advanced call.

And then again, in terms of historical and cultural impact versus all the movies that we’ve talked about so far, this is the only one that you can go on to like Apple itunes, store, search for the name and hit stream and bam, you’re watching the latest version of this. And I think it’s. It just goes to show how timeless this movie is going to end up being. If, if they didn’t have the right editing, if they didn’t have all of the receipts, I don’t think it would have held up this long. And it would have just maybe you could still have it on all these markets, but no one will be watching it.

But man, this one absolutely holds up. So historical and cultural impact, hopefully it outlives, you know, our impression of it. And people are watching this way into the future being like, damn, they actually knew all this stuff at the time. And it also impacted movements. I mean, you had the 911 inside job. People really catapulting off this. Some of the stuff from, you know, Alex Jones and I mean, Michael Moore, just really, again, that just started the seeds. But this, to me, this film is significant because this is where you get the Occupy Wall Street. You get a lot of these movements as well as what we call today the truth or movement in general.

That this fear of podcasts that have tons of different conspiracy theorists. You don’t get as many, I don’t think, personally, without this film. Because it was something that you could actually point at and. And nobody could debunk. It wasn’t like, where I go, hey, I’m making a claim about Horus. And then someone’s like, I don’t know anything about Egyptian religions. Like, maybe it is, maybe it isn’t. You know, like. Or they’ll be like, well, this guy said Jesus was like. There was easy to debunk because people already had their beliefs on this level. You couldn’t debunk it because people are like, look, this is a statement the President made.

This is an operation that was about to be pulled off by the CIA. Here’s like, actual documentation, audio film move, you know, clips of eyewitnesses. It was really the catalyst of our movement of, in general, of what we call now, like truth tellers and conspiracy theorists. I know that word’s been around, but like red pillars, you know, all this stuff, this is the foundation. This is the pillars. I think the three films we started out with are pillars of what conspiracy podcasts and films are now today. That’s such a great point because this movie gave birth to the architects and engineers for 911 truth, which is this group of people like, you know what? I am an expert.

I’m not just some talking head. I’m not just some weirdo with a blog. This is my career. I’ve been doing this my entire life. And I also think that there’s all these weird anomalies. And I think the name of that, that group that Architects and engineers for 911 Truth, that’s also where this whole concept of truther came from. Like, we wouldn’t have the word truther without loose change. So I mean, the. The cultural impact of that alone is hard to understate right now. Now someone’s gets called a truther. It doesn’t necessarily have to mean 911 in particular, but in the the mid 2000s to the early 2010s, Truther meant specifically 911 Truther.

Yeah. And to put another fact that I’ve said many times, if anybody’s ever listened about any podcast, I talk about Cass Sunstein and Cat Sunstein had a paper he in 2008 called Cognitive Infiltration. And he talked about the importance of infiltrating conspiratorial groups, especially of 911 inside job and. And that it really, on both sides, it created these walls and these divisions we have now of people that you’re either on this side or on this side. So without this film I don’t think we get this. I don’t think we actually navigate people into a more truth telling process.

Foreign. So I can guess where you’re at and where I’m at on this but let’s, let’s make it official and do our final verdict here. Sink or swim. Where are you at on loose change? 20000 leagues man. There’s no way I know I’m biased. I think you got a little bias. It’s just like the nostalgia factor. Plus when I rewatched it I’m like oh, everything holds up like, you know what I mean? Like I wasn’t like scrambling like whoa, I don’t know. That’s kind of a, that’s kind of weird claim. I don’t know if that’s true.

And I’m like oh yeah, I forgot about that. And it gave refresh my memory of stuff that I didn’t necessarily remind remember. And I think not only that but the cultural significance and had and how not just documents document documentaries are made now but how social media is run by so quote unquote truthers and red pillars. I don’t think you get this high quality of beds of music and, and clips going fast with hard hitting information without this film. It’s an important film for this genre of conspiracies and it like locks like a KRS1 sample behind like the power phone.

Again it has a really great soundtrack that makes it feel more modern. This isn’t like some boomer sort of like weird right wing thing that you’d find on a, like a, like a website somewhere. This is legit and it holds up like we mentioned a couple times now this has a collection of clips and quotes and, and video snippets from the morning and news anchors and, and things that would be very hard to find on their own and put together in context the same way that this movie did. So I’m right with you. This one got 20,000 leagues for me.

This is the highest possible rating that we can give any of these documentaries. And for the same reason I was absolutely surprised at how well this held up. I was expecting because the, the bar for conspiracy documentaries is so low for me now I guess like I feel kind of bad. I was almost waiting for the clip where they’re like and here’s further proof that 911 was an inside job because the pilot was born on the same day that Aleister Crowley like stubbed his toe for the first time and getting into Gematria and pulling in like, again, like myth.

And here’s, you know, a tale about Auris from 2000 years ago. Like, it doesn’t have that stuff, man. It has information that was relevant, well documented, and was released all, like, right when this stuff was still fresh. There’s not a huge chance for weird conspiracy games of telephone to have occurred. And then for this, this documentary to come up and say, some people say it doesn’t say. Some people say it says this exact report released on this date to this group. Here’s a scan of it. Here’s information about how to find out more for yourself. Not many documentaries go that extra mile, so there’s no way I could rate this thing anything less than the top rating.

We got 20,000 leagues. Yeah. Loose Change holds up over time. I totally agree with that. And to your point, I think that this is where you kind of get the realm of like, a lot of documentaries are theorizing and this is actually conspiracy. Like, this is, hey, I can prove this. It’s not just a theory. Like, I think there’s some theories in there, but a lot of it’s fact based. And. And a lot of other documentaries are like, well, this is loosely interpreted, right? Like, because if it’s things that can be interpreted like, well, I think, God, is this.

I think Jesus, is this on this? It’s like, no, look, this, this exact exercise was gonna. So I think we’re done with the controversial stuff. We did three really controversial documentaries, so now we’re gonna do three that are a little bit more family friendly. No one. No, I don’t think anyone’s gonna get offended or their feathers ruffled for the next three that we’ve got planned, which are the Trayvon Martin Hoax, all for Floyd and Am I a Racist? I can’t see how anyone would get offended by two guys talking about race relations, you know, hot takes on a podcast.

Yeah. Where can. Where can we go wrong, man? None of those subjects bother people. And. And yeah, so I’m kind of excited, but I think what we’re gonna do is we’ll do these documentaries and little batches of three. So the first three were conspiracy classics, the absolute pillars, the ones that you have to watch. If you haven’t seen all three of those already, go watch Money Masters, go watch Zeitgeist and go watch Loose Change. None of those are going to waste any of your time. The next three are going to be probably even more controversial because they have a lot of emotion, lots of subjectiveness into them and lots of wild claims.

Like, even more wild than saying that the government attacked itself with a false flag in order to pass the Patriot act and keep us all enslaved into a monetary system. The next three are gonna make even wilder claims than that. Way wilder that are going to get some people very emotional. But I think it’s good to go through these so that people can see the aspect of everything. So join us for the next episode. Under the docks. Hope you guys are liking this. We got so many more. So we’ll see you on that one. Peace. Under the docks.

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