Occult Disney 47: The Emperors New Groove w/ Juan Ayala

➡ This is a podcast discussion about Disney movies, focusing on the film “The Emperor’s New Groove.” The hosts discuss their opinions on the voice actors, including David Spade and John Goodman, and mention that they might have preferred unknown voice actors. They also talk about the high budget of the film and its long development process.
➡ The text discusses a movie that initially aimed to be serious but later incorporated comedy and songs. The movie’s budget and earnings are debated, with confusion over whether the figures represent one film or the entire franchise. The movie’s plot and characters are analyzed, with the protagonist being seen as self-centered and possibly the villain. The text also mentions a change in the original story and the movie’s title, which led to some confusion about its meaning.
➡ The text is a casual conversation about the speaker’s experiences in Japan, including the difficulties of language and cultural differences. They discuss the potential for miscommunication, especially with words that have different meanings in Japanese and English. The speaker also talks about their life in Japan, including their family and job, and shares some insights about Japanese pop culture. They also discuss their work at Disney and how audience feedback can drastically change a project.
➡ The text discusses a movie where a character, possibly an alchemist, transforms an emperor into a llama, forcing him to live as a commoner. This experience changes the emperor for the better, leading to the conclusion that the alchemist, despite being portrayed as a villain, is actually the hero. The text also touches on various topics like Godzilla, the impact of nuclear weapons on Japanese culture, and the strict drug laws in Japan.
➡ Yzma, a character in a film, is intelligent and knowledgeable in alchemy, often creating potions that are all the same color. Her assistant, Cronk, is portrayed as less intelligent but physically strong, similar to another character, Pacha. The main character, Kuzco, is a frail emperor who undergoes a transformation into a llama due to Yzma’s potion. The story discusses the characters’ transformations and their interactions with each other and the world around them.
➡ The discussion revolves around various topics, including issues at Disney’s Pleasure Island, the impact of Disney’s movie ‘Frozen’ on Google search results, and the evolution of TV shows like ‘X Files’ and ‘Star Trek’. The conversation also touches on the ‘Groundhog Day’ trope in movies, the concept of ‘black goo’ movies, and ends with a discussion about Godzilla movies, highlighting the upcoming release of ‘Godzilla Minus One’ on Amazon Prime Video in Japan.
➡ The text is a conversation about a movie, possibly a Disney film, and its interpretation. The speakers discuss the movie’s themes, including political manipulation, the concept of good and evil, and references to Incan mythology. They also talk about the movie’s characters and their roles, as well as the idea of dualism in Incan beliefs. The conversation also touches on the idea of underworld and its association with oil and mining, suggesting a metaphorical connection between these activities and the release of demons.
➡ The text discusses a podcast conversation about a Disney movie, possibly “The Emperor’s New Groove”. The speakers analyze the film’s characters, plot, and cultural references, particularly to Incan mythology. They also discuss the movie’s self-awareness and its potential occult and alchemical symbols. However, they conclude that the film’s cultural focus may have limited its use of these elements.
➡ The discussion revolves around a Disney movie that has a self-referential and meta approach. The speakers discuss the movie’s unique elements, such as its animation style and the character Yzma, who they believe represents American influence in Mesoamerican culture. They also mention a roller coaster in Japan’s Disney Sea park themed after the movie. The speakers end by rating the movie, with most giving it a five out of ten.
➡ The speaker discusses their experiences with podcasting, streaming, and creating content. They mention their struggles with streaming on Twitch and their success with a Kickstarter campaign for a comic series. They also talk about their plans for future content, including a new adult series. The speaker ends by promoting their sticker sheets and expressing their love for writing and creating.

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I say I cook. Isn’t it teacher? Going to everybody a courtesy up on a star nobody just by new brand Pinocchio Diabo. Hello. Welcome to the Occult Disney podcast. Yeah, I’ve got my radio voice going. I was talking about being a radio dude. I’ve been. I’ve had people tell me, don’t use the radio voice in a podcast. But podcasting is the new radio. I guess we’re looking at every Disney movie for what’s inside the llama. Reading what’s inside the llama. Today. It’s the Emperor’s new groove. This is Matt here. As always, paranoid Americans over there. Howdy.

Howdy. And what. What’s the difference between radio, Matt, and non radio? Which one have I been here? I was wondering the same thing, too. What’s the difference between a radio voice and a not radio voice? Articulation, I guess. Because once I start ranting, it all goes out the window and I, you know, it turns into just a muddle of words, which. So if people tell you not to use your radio voice, they’re saying, just start slurring a little bit more. Stop articulating. Yeah, do some east coast mush mouth sort of stuff. You know, I’m down with mouth, that sort of thing.

Grab a glass of water, japanese bro. Like, a little bit, but it’s an embarrassing level of. No, sorry. Seriously. And you. That’s what happens. That’s what has happened. You teach English, people are talking to you in English. And. Yeah, you just don’t. You know, you. You just learn, like, survival japanese for stores and stuff. I’m really disappointed right now. I thought you were gonna, like, flat out, like, Chung Cheng Hai ho hi. No, I’m impressed, man. I mean, that’s like, he has kept as american as he possibly can while still riding the system. Like, he’s just coasting over there.

That’s a. I talked to one of my other expat friends. We’re just in a nice place where we kind of like, he’s australian, I’m american. You know, we don’t really fit there anymore. But you never quite fit in Japan either, which can be bad in many ways. But also that means you don’t have to follow every social rule, especially the ones that don’t make any sense. So that’s nice. You’re always, we got a third voice today. We’re having our first guest today. Juaniel is here. Hello. Hello. How do you use my radio? Yeah, it’s an honor.

Thank you so much. I really appreciate it. So I’m glad to be here. I hadn’t seen this movie in many, many years and it hasn’t gotten any better. So I’m excited. I’m excited. I have some interesting observations. Did you see this as a kid? I saw it as a kid, yeah, I did see it as a kid. What year is this movie from? It came out December 2000. Wow. Yeah, no, I was a kid. I didn’t watch in 2000, but I did see it when I was small. So this is, this is around when Pokemon 2000 came out too, right? Yes.

Which Disney distributed but did not make. I don’t know if they dubbed it or not. It was, it’s not part of the list I’m looking at for this, although I’ve done a podcast about it before because one of my other podcasters is a Pokemon obsessor. So. Yeah, yeah, no, I definitely, I remember this came out, yeah, July 21, 2000. So I was around that same time. So I might have caught it in theaters, but I don’t think I did. I, I’m pretty sure I saw it after the fact. I don’t think I’ve seen it before. I do remember it coming out because at the time they’re like, oh, it’s a little more Looney Tunes than the normal Disney movie.

It’s, it’s legit funny. Although I don’t know if David Spade funny is age that, well, I guess Tommy boy, something like that. Still good. But I was, like, kind of annoyed by David Spade through most of this movie. That’s kind of the thing, though, isn’t it? Isn’t that literally his character? Because this, this was on the tail end of a lot of his duos with, like, tommy boy and black sheep where he was lined up. Oh, yeah. Joe Dirt. See, I do like, I guess maybe, maybe he’s a case of someone that I don’t want as a voice actor.

Joe Dirt next level like that. Like Joe Dirt is, is unironically in like a top ten. That’s a, that’s a movie for scumbums. That’s great. I mean, I mean that as a compliment. So again, I think I’ve only seen it one time, and that was it. Then see it again. I did see grownups in 2010 in theaters. I remember that was pretty funny. And grown ups, too, was okay. But. So, yeah, there are certain people or another person who I would never want as a voice actor, I’m sure has been used as a voice actor. Is Andy Dick that he’s in the David Spade Zone at least, like, performance wise? He was on news radio.

And because they have, like, these nasally voices. Right. It’s like, almost like, do they even have to act? That’s their regular voice anyways, right? That’s the way they sound regularly. So, yeah, Andy Dick would be another one of those where it’s like this kind of nasally, high pitched voice that’s kind of annoying after a while. Right? Yeah. And then you got John Goodman, who’s just John Goodman here. There’s like, no. No way around it. You’re listening to John Goodman, you know, so he’s someone that’s like, again, love him on screen. Maybe not the best person to hire for your voice acting.

So I was front loading that I didn’t like those two by saying I really liked earth the kit as I’m losing the name Yuviz or whatever, the villain. Yes. Thank you. Who is Catwoman in season three, I think, of 66 Batman. So wait, there wasn’t. There was a ten Cloverfield lane. Did I miss this? Yeah, there’s a sequel. So there was Cloverfield, the first one where it’s like shaking around. Right? And then there’s ten Cloverfield in which this guy is in it. This was in 2016. It’s really good. I like, it’s nothing at all like the original Cloverfield.

You got to throw that out. It’s like in the same universe, but it’s an absolutely different movie. Interesting, because John Goodman’s in it, and I didn’t. Yeah, yeah. I had no idea about this. I just. I like that movie. I like the whole cast that was in that movie. I might have seen it. Who knows? But I don’t recall because I remember watching Cloverfield Paradox, which was on, I think it was a Netflix movie that. That they did that, which was about the ship, almost like a Montauk project type of thing. So. Yeah, interesting. But, yeah, no, I agree with you.

I did notice it was his voice. Would you have picked anybody else to do these voices, if you had a pic, man, like, do you have a little lineup that you would have picked? I guess my point is, especially for those two, because I did like eartha kit and I liked Patrick Warburton. What was doing cronk, conk, Kronk. Yeah. So he was good. He was putty on Seinfeld. He was the nineties in Family Guy. Yeah, in the nineties. Live action tick. Not the newer one, but the older one, but he’s good in it. You’re asking who would I replace them with? Probably people whose names we don’t know.

Like, just to get that. Something we start to notice, I think, especially around 2000, is Disney, and especially dreams or DreamWorks are just trying to, you know, up the star voltage when they hire their voice actors, but they’re not hiring voice actors. There’s some. I would Jonathan Taylor Thomas do all the roles. So I saw the budget was a hundred million. Is that, does that demand, I mean, does it, does it deserve a hundred million dollar budget? Cause that’s a lot of money for a frickin animated movie. It’s not even. It’s not even like, like Toy Story, where it’s.

It’s. What’s that kind of sort of style called Thomas, where it’s a 3d animation. But I would almost argue this probably took more effort than a Toy story like movie at this point. This is a development hell movie, which might count animation actually is expensive. Seeing a high price tag on a Disney movie is not that weird. But this one, I’m sure is inflated. They were working on it for six years. This was going to be the Lion King director’s follow up movie. And they’re like, you just made the biggest movie ever. We trust you. It was going to be much more serious.

Something like Hunchback, a Notre Dame or Pocahontas. But those movies didn’t do as well as they thought. So it just went through a thing where it’s like, well, now let’s add some comedy. Let’s hire Sting to write a bunch of songs. And then. And we don’t like Sting songs. And then Sting got pissed at the end. You’ll remember that the emperor builds his house next to the village, where the joke at the end was, instead of destroying the village, he destroys the rainforest next to it to build a theme park. And Sting was like, I’ve been standing up for indigenous rights for 20 years.

Change it. Really. So Toy Story had a $720 million budget and it grows 72. 720 million right here. Produced right on a total of 120 million. And then it says it gross more than 3.3 billion. So 3.3. Got the 33 in there. I wonder if you’re looking at a different, uh, someone else’s money in that. Like, yeah, I think. I think I am looking at. I’m spreading fake news right now. Okay. Because the. The ratio sounds right, but the numbers don’t sound right. What. Why is this on here, though? Because I saw 30 million, and then on here says, oh, yeah, 30 million budget, and this one’s 100 million.

That. Okay, now, now, I agree with you completely. That’s insane. But why on the wikipedia does it say 720 million? Well, there’s different amounts. Our production budgets, some include marketing and distribution. Some include a whole, like, some actually include profits and losses and stuff. So you have to, like, you have to make sure you’re comparing apples to apples. And some of these. Oh, and I get you’re looking at the entire franchise. So that’s the budget for all. So the numbers you’re looking at are correct, but they are for the entire toy story franchise. You’re absolutely right.

I need to learn how to read. But this one, yeah. Pretty much just plot. Well, here’s the weird thing I was looking at, and I think all of us were we all underwhelmed by this movie? I mean, I wasn’t like, I hate it, but I was underwhelmed. Right? I had to watch it two and a half times until I finally found something that clicked. Okay, I’m not even kidding. And ambiece, since I had never seen it before, it’s. It’s so weird. Like, I’ll put these movies on and I can kind of, like, half pay attention and wait for something to catch my eye.

But this one kept going. I kept remembering, like, oh, wait, you’ve never seen this before. You actually have to pay attention to the whole thing. So hence, I had to watch it two and a half times. And then. So I didn’t. I didn’t absolutely hate it, but it’s definitely not in a top ten or top 20 of my Disney movies because I was surprised that the reviews for it were actually quite decent. I mean, Ebert gave it like three out of four. It’s, you know, like something like 82% on Metacritic. This is at the time, right? Like, I feel like whenever we read those reviews, when it comes out, that’s not the same type of review of, like, watching it ten years later, 20 years later, 30, and having context of all the other movies and all the competition, like, if that was just the movie that happened to be the only one that you got to see that week or that month.

Like, that’s a different type of rating than the one where it’s like you’re putting it up against all the selections that Netflix and Amazon have to offer. Yeah. Although somebody likes it. They put out in 2021, the theaters again. And it made, made a little bit of money. It did have a straight David Spade. He just brings that off. David Spade brings down the house, you know. Great, though, in my opinion. I mean, he’s, am I missing something? Is he not, he’s not that great, right? That’s. No, I was, I’m the one sitting here saying I wish they had gotten different voice actors.

So, yeah, I am on that page for sure. Let me look at this. Ten Cloverfield. Lang. I gotta watch this. Yeah, there’s the direct video sequel, Cronk’s new Groove from 2005. Apparently there a tv show from 2008 or something. Oh, I’m actually looking at Toy Story now. That’s not helpful. Anyway, there was also a tv show. Oh, here we go. Legacy. It’s got a nice long page. Del Dorado. I do think that it’s got some interesting aspects to it that are atypical of like a regular Disney movie or Disney production. And like we’re, I was talking about before we started, this one does not have the Disney proxy in that.

There’s not a kid that gets kidnapped and there’s not like parents that died right off the bat. In fact, before. I don’t know if anyone really dies in this movie. They implied a few times, but then you’ll see the character that they implied was dead will be fine and alive, you know, like a few minutes later. So it kind of misses some of those specific beats that I usually look for. The original story maybe was closer to the Disney proxy once they’re like, let’s add comedy, let’s add songs. And it went through eight people’s hands. That’s where the muddle is.

The original story had the emperor finding a peasant boy who looked like him changing places. Then the sorcerer figures it out, changes the real emperor into the llama, and blackmails the peasant to do what she says or she’ll reveal who he is. Wait, that’s more coal right there. He jumped into the body of the kid, and then the sorcerer took the soul from the kid’s body and put in a llama. Uh, no, the emperor is still turned into the llama where she’s just blackmailing the kid. Like, you can pretend you’re the emperor. But do anything I don’t like, and I’ll reveal you are not the real emperor.

Okay. Okay. I got you. I got you. So that’s where the emperor has no clothes kind of sort of comes from, right? Like that saying, we’ve always heard it, especially for the last four years, we’ve heard it where the. The emperor has no clothes. Is that how you say it? Yeah. Yeah. Basically, like all bluster and no substance, which. So that. That fits. Although at the time it was called Kingdom of the sun and kingdom in the sun. I didn’t get that. The explanation for, like, the emperor’s new clothes at all in the movie, because it’s called Emperor’s new groove.

So I’m expecting it to have that kind of a plot line where he thinks he looks a certain way and everyone has to play along. But that doesn’t happen at all, as far as I can tell, unless it is so over my head that it flew, by the way I interpret. And this is where we can get maybe more into the occult aspect of it. I felt like the groove, was it a sort of force in a sort of way? Because when he throws the guy. When the guy gets thrown out at the beginning from the window.

Cause he threw off the emperor’s groove. What happened at exactly three minutes and 22 seconds, by the way? Did it really? That’s when the. The guy is actually flying out the window, which is like a five second window of time. So when he’s thrown out, that the. The character. I forget the guy’s name. The. The guy that lives on the mountain, essentially, the. The peasant. When he’s coming up, he’s like, don’t disturb his groove or whatever they. I’m thinking in the back of my mind, I’m like, is the groove a sort of force, almost, like. Like, is it an entity of some sorts where it’s like he becomes possessed by the groove? Because he’s kind of, in a way, how you’re saying, thomas, people were.

He’s like a yes man, right? He’s used to everyone getting his own way. It’s all about me. Me. One of the questions that you look up when you look up this movie is, is the emperor a narcissist or whatever? It was like he’s obsessed with himself. And, like, when he’s telling the story from the third person, where they showed bits and pieces of, like, the story is about me, not about him. And he, like, x’s amount, whatever it is, it’s like he’s obviously self centered and is egotistical in some sort of way. So is he possessed by the groove? Because he’s Juan? Did you look at the theatrical poster for this movie? No.

It shows the emperor, and it says it’s all about me. And me takes up half the poster. And I want to submit that the Emperor, his name’s Kuzco, is the villain of this movie. Like, the protagonist is the bad guy. He’s the worst person in the entire movie. Oh, here’s where I am going to give you a little bit of Japanese. The original name of the emperor. Now it’s Cuzco, right? Like the city, I guess. Although with a k. Yeah, Peru. I think they’re centralizing it on, like, specifically Peru. Yeah. His name was originally Monko, which they changed because in Japan, that means vagina.

Like, in, like, a really? Like, that’s the most obscene way you can say it in Japan. How do you say it? Manko. Monko. So when I’m. I’m always, like, terrified when I have to say mango, because you gotta use japanese pronunciation for mango. So it’s mongo. And I’m always like, don’t say monko. Don’t say mongo. Grab them by the mongo. Or by the monko. Is that the only word, or are there, like, multiple words for it? Think there’s a few other ones. What are the other ones? Let’s go through them. That’s the one. I know, to be honest, now this is where I’m getting disappointed.

You don’t know enough japanese, dude. I’m going to say you’re a disgrace, bro. No Japanese. You should be fluent in Japanese. You should be a japanese man right now. You should be bonsai trees and. And doing everything. You know, if I go to another country, I’m going to learn how to say bad words and genitalia. Those are going to be, like, at the top of my list right away. Well, I can give you a few other dirty japanese words. Chin chin would be the wanker chin chin. Yeah. I’m thinking of a chin chin’s adventures, but it’s just like a japanese dick with, like, a little dog.

Yes, yes, yes. Totally. So, like, you know, we don’t read the three little pigs story to students much, you know, not by the hair. My chinny chin chin takes on a very different meaning in Japan. So is a fried snack from Nigeria. So. Okay. Yeah. So you’d be like, hey, do you want to go snack on some chin chin? And then be like, whoa, we’re not into that box saga stuff, bro. All right. And just, if you want to scream, which kids can do. At first, I was like, am I supposed to get angry? But Kuso would be that.

But kids can say it, and it’s okay. So kids are, in Japan, are allowed to, basically. That’s fine. If I want to kill you, Shinee, that’s. I want to kill you. I know that. Shanae. Yeah. Because she is four, which also means death. And that’s an interesting one. If you don’t know. Four is, like, the bad number in Japan, because it’s each Nissan, she, they’ll change it and say yawn, just so they don’t have to say death for the number four. Yeah. You don’t give presents in sets of four. You would need to give it three or five.

People don’t get married on dates with the four. So April is not the fourth floor. And elevators and stuff too, instead of the 13th, that not as much as in the states or. But, yes, there are buildings that do that. But, yeah, four is interesting, the death number. So that’s like their 13, I guess. Yeah. Or whatever. I guess I just know smattering. I probably know, like, you know, 300 japanese words, but not. Not so many synonyms. You know, what’s the point of you living there, man? I mean, at this point, the food. That’s the point.

Yeah. Food’s all better. Really? I’m going to stand the ground, and he gets paid for just speaking English. Like, that’s the job. Speak English, get paid. So it’s kind of like, you know, it’d be hard to give that up. What’s. What’s he gonna do, come back to the States now? What are you gonna do? Speak English. Everyone does that. Yeah. And you have your family over there, right, Matt? That’s right. Like, your husband. Your husband and everything lives with you? My husband lives with me, yes. No, actually, my wife’s family, we have a. We have a generational house.

So it’s. She’s japanese or. No? Yeah, she’s japanese. And then. Oh, and then her parents are kind of here, like, half the time. Way to ruin the genetic pureness. I ruined the genetic pureness. Yeah. So you’re actually ruining Japan at this point, more than. Although they. They actually a lot of, like, in japanese pop culture, they love to get the. They call. They say half, which sounds kind of like an. Sounds bad, I guess. You’re half, but that’s the term they use. So my daughter’s half. Half a person, but, uh, yeah. Wow. Stylish at the moment.

Okay. One of my favorite tangents so far. We got to learn about a bunch of japanese curse words. Suck on my. But, yeah, they, that would have been like a nightmare for marketing this movie in Japan. There’s, there’s been, I want to think of, there’s been a few really entertaining things where they had to change it in Japan because someone had just chosen the wrong word. Yeah, that, that is interesting. And I did see that it did go, I didn’t know that much that it did go through different hands and that they wanted to make it more comedic.

Do you think they did a good job with making it more comedic? I mean, there, I don’t think there was any parts that made me laugh. But again, this movie is directed towards kids. I’d say it was as funny as a David Spade Disney movie could be. Yeah, this is kind of a weird time because we had Toy Story, which they call what, the four quadrant. Everybody went to see it. It wasn’t aimed at just kids. So they’re like, well, let’s see how we can pitch it a little bit. So, okay, we’ll have some, like, proper, you know, we own ABC now, so let’s do some.

David Spade is, like, indebted to them. You know, he’s, he’s, he’s in the machine at this point. If they say jumpy jumps, that’s why bat. Batman. That’s why Prince did the Batman soundtrack for Warner Brothers. They were just like, let’s get someone big in our lineup to do the music, but different photos if you don’t. And they’re like, okay, okay, okay. Yeah, yeah. So, I mean, a couple years later, that’s when Prince was running around with no name and slave on his face. So he didn’t, it seemed he didn’t like doing stuff like that. Although I do like the eight minute bat dance.

That’s a lot of fun and very insane. So, yeah, I saw here on the Wikipedia page, it, it talks about, because of the underwhelming box office performances of Pocahontas, the Hunchback of Notre Dame, Din Dahl was brought in as a co director to make the film more comedic. Because of poor test screenings, creative differences. When Din Dahl and production falling behind schedule, alers departed and the film became a lighthearted comedy in the vein of a Chuck Jones cartoon instead of a dramatic musical. And I’ve got some, some weird frontline experience of, like, seeing this happen up close where there’s a project you’ve been working on for literally four or five years at Disney, and everyone’s happy with it.

It hits every box. You know, everything’s going good. And then someone will be like, let’s pull in, you know, sort of like a little test audience. And what that means for a lot of the stuff at Disney is they’ll go and they’ll pick people out of the park. They’ll go and identify, like a family, and they’ve got companies and little groups that just do this, and they’ll pluck them out and just be like, hey, do you want to watch, like, a 15 minutes, or you want to play this game for five minutes? Or do you want to test this new snack, whatever the hell it is? And it’s like, oh, yeah, sure.

Because now they feel special. They just got picked to do something at Disney World or whatever. And these are the test groups. They’ll just randomly grab a bunch of people, and they’ll do this for, like, a month or so until they got, you know, like 601,000 different touch points. And then based on just the general feedback of just randos in the park now it’s like, oh, we’re going to cut that whole thing you did, or we’re going to rewind. Like, this girl’s hair is going to be green now because, you know, like, 70 people all said specifically they wanted a green haired character.

And that’s kind of, it’s wild to see that they have these, like, high paid executives and project managers and stuff. And then literally, like, a girl with her parents will override, like, what the project managers were there to be paid to do. So that happens constantly in Disney. It’s one of the reasons why over and over. Yeah, right, right at the park, they would do that kind of stuff. Really? Do they still do that? I mean, there’s, there’s less being produced in the park. I think they’ve, they shut down most of the production offices to make room for more rides and gift shops and whatever.

So it’s not, you know, but this is like two thousands and slightly before that when they actually were doing animation here in Orlando, and they did not choose me. But I do remember being at what, I guess, what’s Hollywood studios now and maybe summer 2000. And, you know, this was the promoted film at the time because I guess they couldn’t do dinosaur. It’s not hand drawn, but, yeah, dinosaur was. It was dinosaur along this, this year, too. That’s the one with the dinosaur was the sun. This was supposed to be the summer release, but it just, because of all the change that got delayed by six months.

So in the end, dinosaur got that summer date. And this came out December 20, I think, something like that, of 2000. Have you guys done that one yet? Dinosaur. That was our previous one. Yeah. Which. Oh, really? Yeah, we got. Yeah. So we got to talk about all the possible ways that, you know, godzilla comes for you. Are dinosaurs real or are they fake? Their godzilla is real. That’s what I’m saying. What do we come up with? We’re too charmed. We were too filled with dinosaurs as kids. We can’t accept the loss of dinosaurs. Yeah, I’d rather be wrong and believe in dinosaurs than be right and give them up.

Is that how you feel about flat Earth to bro? Like, you’d. You’re so already invested that you’d rather be wrong than just see flat Earth? I feel like there’s way more of an onus to prove this theory. I’ve got too many questions about flat earth for me to buy into it. Dinosaurs, like, they’ve done that investment work. Like the Disney dinosaur movie land before time, Jurassic park, like all this stuff. Like, they’ve done the work to get me to believe in dinosaurs, and I submit to it. No one’s done the amount of work I need in the flat earth to get me to submit to it yet.

I feel like we’re getting a fair amount of hollow earth these days, though. You know, Tarzan. We did Tarzan, and that was all about Hollow Earth. The newest. Don’t. Don’t spoil the newest Godzilla. But I think that also has hollow Earth in it. The last one did, so I should hope the new one does. Yeah, the last one did, but I haven’t seen the newest one. I don’t know. You guys haven’t seen it yet? It comes out today in Japan, so. Really? Yeah. That’s interesting. So I just saw this week the newest Nick Cage movie, arcadian.

Excellent. And you know what’s amazing? That I texted Weston, his son, and I was like, tell Mister Cage this was an excellent film. He was like, will do. You should. You just should have said, tell dad. Like, just start referring to him as dad now. Like, you’re, like, you’re just bros. You’re lucky. I had to watch 2000 Six’s Wicker man last week. Good one. But that’s a good one. See? So, Juan, you’re not going to get to admit any Nick Cage movie is less than like an eight. That’s a deleted scene. That’s not in the movie proper.

And really? Yeah. If you went crazy, Nick Cage from that period, I’m like, go to bad. Lieutenant Portico, New Orleans. I mean, that’s. That’s the best crazy Nick. You’re getting that. And once he goes nuts and color out of space. Those are my. My two favorite. There are. Those are alpacas in the movie. It’s a llama, right? In this movie, they’re all llamas. They’re all llamas. Do they say something on alpaca in this at some point? No, at the very. At the very beginning, he actually, as he’s introducing himself, he’s like, you’re. You might be wondering why I’m a llama.

So he actually explicitly states that he’s a llama, not an alpaca. Okay. Yeah. Because they’re very similar. What changes is their temperament. And also llamas or alpacas, I forget which one, were actually worshipped. Okay. They were actually worshipped in, I believe, machu Picchu because they were looked at. Yeah. Llamas. Like, they actually had. I don’t know if they import them there or if they just, like, naturally find their way there, but they’re on, like, the hilltops of Machu Picchu. Llamas are. You’ve been there, haven’t you, Thomas? I have. I was actually. And I went to Cusco, too, so I got to, like, go to some of the places and see some of the, like, the incan kind of artifacts and motifs that they’re trying to push on this.

It’s interesting you went there because the guys that discovered Machu Picchu allegedly were skull and bones. So, I mean, who else has got the capital to just be, like, frivolously, you know, being, like, a rich explorer. Yeah. Like an Indiana Jones or something. Interesting, interesting. Real quick, one more thing. You had the Godzilla there. I heard that Godzilla is this deep rooted fear of nuclear weapons, the Japanese. And that’s why Godzilla looks the way he looks a little bit where it kind of resembles an atomic bomb mushroom thing. Have you ever heard about that? Um, now that you’re saying it, yeah, sure.

That makes perfect sense. As far as deep og Godzilla. That’s 100% what that movie’s about. Godzilla minus one really gets back to that. So. And that showed in theaters here for. I think it’s still in the theaters here. Like, I think the one screen is still showing Godzilla minus one. I haven’t seen it. I’ve been wanting to see it, but it hasn’t been up on the sites that I use to watch movies. And then Oppenheimer only came out, like, two weeks ago, that one. Every time we bomb Japan, they come out with a really awesome franchise.

Let’s see. We got Godzilla, and we only do it once, though, I guess so. I mean, was that. Was that what caused it, like, in part, in the middle of the atomic bomb that we somehow sneak in, like, american pop culture, and it’s like, take. Take a hit of this? Well, we kind of did, because MacArthur basically ruled Japan for, you know, for a few years. Right. One of the reasons we just don’t get weed here at all is because MacArthur made it illegal, and things changed so slowly in Japan, they just never changed it back.

There was never a moral quandary about it. Just, is it the law or is it not the law? It is the law. So, like, people wouldn’t look down on you for being a pothead. They look down on you for breaking the law. Correct. Wow. But then japanese law basically does not distinguish between, like, if they. If the police were to catch you with weed or to catch you with heroin, they’d make no distinction between the two. Well, might as well just do heroin, then. Yeah, yeah. Really? But, um, yeah, that just means that it’s really. And although at the same time, the icon.

The iconography is, like, common in Japan. I’ve seen kids, like, you know, with, like, token up and giant marijuana shirts where, you know, child services would stop that. Well, you’ve got the japanese maple leaf, so couldn’t you just always be like, oh, it’s a japanese maple leaf. Yeah. And before MacArthur, you actually could just buy that stuff and, you know, pharmacies and stuff, so it was perfectly available in Japan until. So I’m still pissed at General MacArthur. And magic mushrooms were legal until 2001 because the World cup came, and they’re like, oh, we better change it, because other countries, you know, it’s illegal.

So they made a law in, like, 2001 about magic mushrooms, so that’s a bummer. Interesting. So back to the. To the movie. I’m gonna go ahead and say it, but what do you guys think about. So we have this, which, is she a witch? I never really understood what exactly she was. She alchemist. She was, like, an alchemist, right? Like. Like, literally an alchemist. She’s making potions. So. But she’s also the one that transforms, literally, Cusco. But also in the. In the concept of, like, a three act story or five x story, the protagonist is supposed to go through some massive transformation and become, like, a better version of themselves, which is the alchemical process, and she is the one that orchestrates all that, which is why I think she’s actually the good person in this movie, they make her look like a bad person.

They draw her like a bad person. But if you look at it, what are her actions and what are the results? The actions is that she forces this emperor to go and live like a commoner. She turns him into a llama. And the llama were like the beast of burden for this kind of region. So it was like turning you into an ox or something if you were in some other region, just so that you would have to live like a poor worker in the worker class. And through him having to live, that he starts to relate and he becomes a less crappier version of himself.

And she that she’s the only one that’s able to do that to this emperor. So ultimately, she’s the good person and she’s the alchemist. So the original version, it looked like it’s sketched out as being far more villainous. And the kingdom of the sun version. Isma has plans to summon Supay, the evil God of death, and destroy the sun so that she may become young and beautiful forever. The sun gives her wrinkles, so she surmises that living in a world of darkness would prevent her from aging, which does sound like extra insane, but whatever. It’s alchemical right now, the elixir of immortal, of a mortal life.

So right here it says, how do you say her name? Yzma. Yzma’s character. I just said it was no confidence a second ago. She is intelligent, comes up with a grandiose plans, etc, etc. All right, so Yzma is seen to possess vast knowledge and alchemy as she accidentally uses these uses extract of llama on Cusco, thinking it was poison in the first film, Cronk states that she should relabel her potions because everything makes. Everything she makes in her secret lab has exactly the same pinkish color. It is implied easement practices magic, but this is never shown.

She is portrayed as more of a mad scientist, though she claims to be a sorceress. Now, Thomas, does Cronk give you Golem vibes? Oh, is he the homunculus? Is that what you’re going after already? Golem? He’s more of, like, going. He’s stupid. He’s like, stupid, he’s dumb. He falls directions just well enough to get the thing done, like when he’s mixing the. The drinks, and then he forgets about, was it spinach something or other? And he goes back to the kitchen and then comes back and forgets which cup it is. Spinach drop, wasn’t it? He forgets which cup it is.

And then he has to, like, he mixes them all together because, again, he’s so. He’s dumb, you know? He’s like. He’s. He’s a freaking me head. He’s the physical expression of Yzma. He’s like the Yzma Golem, east homunculus. Just like Paka is kind of Cusco’s sort of physical interface world. Like, they’re kind of like paca and Kronk are sort of the brutes and the champions that these two intellects kind of have as they’re like sidekicks to interact with the physical world. Yeah, I would say that Pacha is much less personality who would be the real person? So if Kronk is the creation, but then he has so much more personality, you know? Yeah.

He has more personality because he represents the actual real world. Because he comes from, like, a village. Whereas Kronk is just like an ancillary assistant to an assistant. But both of them are literally physically strong. You know, huge men that help, like, navigate the world. Because Kuzco is a tiny, little, frail emperor. He might as well just be a brain in a bottle. Like he can’t do anything physically. Just like she can’t do anything physically because she just looks like a skeleton. You know what I mean? He’s like diabetes or. What do you say? Is it diabetes or whatever? I think when he makes him carry him, he’s like, yeah, yeah.

You know, he’s like, came up with an excuse towards the end of, like, why he needed to carry him. And it’s because, again, he’s a spoiled, freaking little brat. But, yeah, I saw that connection there. And then at towards the end, when that army of, I guess, were they guards? But they kind of, sort of resembled, in my opinion, again, golems. They were like these automaton. That one, when she told him, like, hey, they killed the emperor, or whatever it was red and blue nipples. Yes. And then they got turned into animals. And it’s interesting because I was playing boulders gate last night, and I walked past a cow, and it was like, this cow is looking at you attentively or something.

Like the cow gave me a bad vibe. So I investigate the cow, and the cows. Like, the narrator is like, this cow is now what it seems. And the cows like. And then all of a sudden, the cow goes, moo. Like, it sounded like somebody saying moo. I try to imitate a cow, and it’s like, this cow isn’t what it seems. But I couldn’t. I attacked it. And then the whole village went crazy. But then I had to restart the game because they were all attacking me. But again, it reminded me of that where fertility God.

And you just attacked it. I don’t know what was going on, bro, but something fishy was going on because it’s kind like black eyes. It looked demonic, I’m sure was possessed by something. And anyways. But maybe you just need a better video card. The, those, those guys towards the end reminded me of, again, golems. They were there to serve their purpose, but then they, I guess there were guards. So I’m not entirely sure. Are you able to. And I know that you’re familiar with this story, Thomas, but you’re talking about how in these movies the character has to go through some sort of transformation.

We know that, right? We know that. That that’s archetypal, the hero’s journey type of thing where, you know, the typical monomyth type of thing. Can we make a connection with the golden ass and the emperor’s new group? I mean, you can, but it works way better with Pinocchio because Pinocchio is rumored to be literally based on the golden ass. Really? Yeah, yeah. The whole point when Pinocchio, when they go to pleasure island and they start turning these kids into literal asses, that is sort of the premise of the golden ass. So like the philosophical story. So this, I mean, this one, yeah, he gets turned into a llama.

But I think in this one, it’s not as much as being duped as, like this was on the nose. He has to go through transformation. So she forces him to go through this actual transformation and him being turned into a llama and having to live as a llama, that’s the transformation. Like, it’s kind of, kind of a weak one because he doesn’t actually do anything on his own to transform. It’s all external forces that are making him transform. And like Matt was saying in one of the original versions, they just plow over a rainforest instead, which kind of shows that there was zero transformation.

Ash free turns back into a human. But the golden ass, that would be another transformation that I think would more profoundly affect you versus whatever the hell this guy went through. You are not alone on that, though. It looks like a few contemporary reviews were like, gee, it doesn’t fit the emperor’s new clothes. It fits the golden ass somewhat better. So really, you’re not the first person to make the observation. So because the golden ass is like, he wants to. He’s practicing, he’s an occult he’s practicing the magic, and then all accidentally. I get what Thomas is saying, but as soon as I thought of it, that’s what it reminded me of, where, like, it wasn’t on purpose, but it needed to happen to kind of sort of fit the narrative of, he changed.

He. He. Right towards the ending, he’s like, oh, not everyone’s that heartless. And he kind of caught himself. Cause he knew what he was saying because he knew he was, like, a little bit of an asshole towards everybody. And he was gonna betray the. The peasant guy. I forget his name. Was it Paca? He was gonna. He was gonna betray him when he was gonna leave him on the bridge, right? He’s like, he tried. He betrays him a bunch of times. Well, but that’s, like, the main one where it’s like that. He starts walking and he falls.

He’s like, oh, well, now this is. This is awkward, right? Cause now. Now I need your help. Now, without this, this bridge is gonna take four days to get to the village now. Right? And then the other time, he doesn’t listen to him when they’re at that restaurant. Like, hey, don’t go with those people. They know they’re gonna take me back. No, they’re literally trying to kill you, bro. Like, this is the whole reason that we’re here, because of the people out there. It could be the pleasure island. If we were to say, you know, how this correlates with Pinocchio.

That’s his version of that. Oh, what exactly. Going back, getting swept up, and like, oh. Like, all these people, they’re throwing this big party for me. What a great place to be. And not realizing that they’re fattening you up. Like, they’re actually going to hurt you. Like, the net of this is going to be a net negative. And that’s exactly how pleasure island kind of operates, where they entice you with, like, these superficial short term gains, but ultimately, you’re going to be turned into a beast of burden. Do you remember when. What’s it called now? When it was called Pleasure Island? Downtown Disney.

You remember that? That was back when that was. Was thomping around here. Yeah, that’s what I stomped around there. You were in Florida, too? I was in Atlanta, so I’d bop on down every once. Well, this is like, like 20 years plus, but, yeah, yeah, now it makes a lot. A lot of sense when we’re talking about Pleasure island, which we know what that insinuates with the whole, I mean, and all that stuff, you know, I’m saying. So it’s, like, not a good look. Maybe that’s why they changed the name. I think it’s called real what it’s called now.

It’s called not Downtown Disney. Disney Springs, maybe. Disney Springs, yeah, exactly. Disney Springs is what it’s called now. I forget because I don’t ever call it that, but it doesn’t. I still called it park MGM, you know, because, well, there was last time I went there, so, yeah, I think they had a bunch of issues where minors would sneak into pleasure island and, like, the stories coming out of, like, you know, miners assaulted in pleasure island. It is on Disney property after dark. Like, it didn’t sound good. And it was like, all right, we got to switch this up.

It’s like when. When Disney made frozen. So when people look up Disney Frozen, they don’t look up the conspiracy of Disney being frozen. It comes out the movie frozen. Is that like that. Like, yeah, you bomb the Google results. Okay. Yeah. Although looking for the thing, but it’s not gonna come up because it’s gonna come up with, like, this snowman and everything. Now, do you want to build a snowman? And it’s like friggin Walt Disney’s head. Just like, you know, on top of, you got the new movie Civil War. You’ve got Avengers civil war from a few years ago.

If you look up Civil War, you’re gonna get that. Yeah. In the future, kids are gonna be searching civil War and find the Marvel movies and then just be like, wow, what a wild history. No, even worse, they’re gonna look up the Twitter files, but now it’s called X. So they’re gonna be looking up the X Files, and it’s gonna be like, that’s actually. Now we’re back into a net positive realm. That’s an improvement. Yes. If a kid ends up watching a season of X Files instead of doom scrolling on Twitter, I think that’s definitely good.

Can I say something without being judged? Is the X Files not as good as people make it out to be? Is it. Is it just me, or. It had such a very long run that it went through patches where certain seasons and mini storylines were, like, phenomenal, like, better than any movie that was out at that time. But also, it went on for such a long time. And this is when seasons had, like, 20 plus episode each. So if you had, you know, ten seasons, you’re talking about so many freaking episodes, they can’t all be winners.

So I think that personally, on, like, a whole range, maybe one out of every two episodes is really good, but the ones that are really good are like better than movies. All right. Yeah. Cuz it’s like I can only take so much of this alien disease or whatever, like, you know, I’m saying, like, I can only take so many episodes of that. And it felt like sometimes it was a lot of repeating, in my opinion. Towards the end of the series, they start really milking the, like, scullers or. Sorry, Dana Scully and Mulder Muller’s sister being abducted.

And then Dana gets abducted and they start having this like, weird thing where it’s all just about the abduction aliens for like two or three of the last season. But like, the really early ones are really good. The one about like poison and escaped circus freaks and there’s like ghost ones and vampire ones. Those are all really. I think those are all like, season one and two. Yeah, like early on. Early on, I just want to. Late nineties tv thing where they were like, up to that point, tv been. Unless it was a soap opera, it had been very episodic, and they’re starting to think more about serialization, which now maybe they do too much.

So. And the balance went to serialization and it just wasn’t. It was too convoluted and weird. I think that’s it exactly, because the ones that I remember as being some of the best ones, they were like completely self contained. They were like, frickin who’s afraid of the dark? Or goosebumps? Episodes where like, you didn’t have to necessarily see him in order. But as it went on, it was like, oh, you had to see four episodes before this to understand why you would even care about whatever is happening right now. And it usually wasn’t about conspiracy theories.

It was like about some internal argument or, you know, subtle conflict that these different characters are going through. No, I died on a wolf. Space communist. So last week’s Star Trek, it was like completely episode, almost completely episodic. It was real trippy. I’m like, that’s. That’s some of the most fun I’ve had with Star Trek in a long time, because I don’t need to think about this ten episode story, and I can just enjoy this weird, trippy story, you know? Which Star Trek. Is it new? Yeah, there’s like five different new ones. It’s a discovery, which is the.

The woke one, I guess. But it was just, you know, this. They had a time bug on the ship and like, only three people knew it was happening, and they just reset every ten minutes and then have to find each other and try and, like, do weird tech crap again. A little bit like that. Yeah. But, you know, a little more overdone. It’s been overdone. I mean, we get a sucker, man. I’m a some. I know. Like, my girlfriend hates it, but the second a movie comes out and it’s like, that trope. Like, she’s always like, no, I’m like, all over it.

Really? Source code. Like, I’ve literally got a whole category in my Plex library. That’s it just. It says Groundhog Day, but it’s like 50 plus movies that all follow this stupid trope. I don’t know what it is, but I fucking love it. It came a few weeks ago, the trope of black goo movies. Like, you can come up with a good 20 of black Goo movies, and if you let in other colors goo, you’ll get, like, you know, the blob from the ladies. If you want to put that list together. I actually know someone that wants to specifically do a bunch of black Goo movies, and I just, once I go to, like, the blob, I kind of, like, ran out of ideas, but I’m sure you know way more than that.

Well, the one that we just ran into was 20 nineteen’s black Christmas. I’m not recommending the movie. It’s very clearly, it’s a pg 13 horror movie aimed at tween girls, basically. So it’s not for you. But we were like, it’s a black goo movie. And that was. It’s not a slasher movie. It’s a black goo movie. So that surprised us a little bit. You know, Prometheus, lots of black goo. And Prometheus. My co host was like, I only like Prometheus when it’s a black goo scenes. He doesn’t like the rest of the movie. You said black Prometheus movie is.

Is pro female. It’s a pro feminine movie. Only women survive in that entire movie. Which one? Prometheus only survive. Oh, and a robot. Yeah, it’s a woman in a robot in the end, isn’t it? Correct. Everyone else dies, and then she gets it the next alien. Like, really horribly. And I want it. Maybe a spoiler. I just want to say that Godzilla minus one debuts on Amazon Prime Video in Japan on Monday, May 3, so. Oh, okay. That’s actually useful to know because I guess next week’s vacation week and my family wants to see it, so I’m gonna have to watch in Japanese.

But it’s fine. Maybe I’ll learn a few more words. Yeah, I’m gonna go ahead and. Yeah, actually I’ll probably do a VPN and watch it as well. So you might be watching it in Japanese, but my buddy actually speaks Japanese fluently. Yeah, I’m very fluent Japanese. Okay. No, my buddy I podcast and work with, he went to see it three times, once in black and white. And his Japanese is as bad as mine. So he was perfectly, he’s like, I don’t care what they’re saying. I want to see the monster. My wife is actually half japanese, so I’m not too far off there, bro.

What does it matter what they’re saying when he’s stomping on him and they’re like dying and getting crushed? I mean, that’s right. You don’t care what they’re saying. What are. It’s an emotional monster. Konnichiwa. Or is that. Is that Chinese? Is that right? That’s. No, no, you can say Konichi. No, you have to say Konnichiwa. When you see someone, it’s a morning. Yeah. Politely greeting Godzilla as he stomps on them. You’d say Konnichiwa. Unless it’s evening, at which point you’d say kombawa. Kombawa. Godzilla. Later on, Godzilla. Oh, I was just going to throw out. While we’re on the Godzilla tangent again, Shane.

Godzilla from what, ten years ago. That’s worth seeing if you have not. Where all the Godzilla scenes are like wide slow shots and most of the movie is japanese bureaucracy not knowing what to do and not being able to do anything because of bureaucracy. And all those scenes are shot in conference rooms, like lots of quick editing and very energetic. So. Whoa. Yeah, this is dope. So I grew up watching the obviously suit Godzilla. Godzilla’s, which always a good time original. Like when he was battling all them. I grew up with all that. I actually put that on for my son the other day but didn’t take.

These kids nowadays, they got it. They got it good, man. He knew it was a dude in a suit. Like he obsolete was now. You know when they pick him up and like they like throw them inside, bro. I. I don’t. It doesn’t ruin the illusion. I’m like, I’m much happier when it is dudes and suits cuz it’s not anymore, right? See, that ruins the illusion for me. I never liked Power Rangers because always so damn cheesy. All that. That. What is it? Not Kanji. That’s the writing style. Kai. Kaiju, right? Is that what they do? Yeah, kaiju.

Is your mom. I was never. I mean, I can appreciate it for what it is, but it’s so fucking cheesy, man. I like some cheese on my movie every now and again. So that’s one of my guilty pleasures, watching bad movies and watching them by myself. So, actually, when. When I went to go see this movie, that version of group, I asked my. My wife if she wanted to watch it with me. She’s like, I never liked that movie. I was like, all right, so I guess we’re not watching it together, because I was like, I need to watch it for a show I’m doing.

And she wasn’t wrong because it, in my opinion, wasn’t that great. So there are some redeeming qualities I think I can make a case for, at least. Go ahead. Go ahead. So this is probably the most anti woke Disney movie to date, in my opinion. Up, like, up to the year 2000 when it comes out. Um, and in particular, because the very movie starts out, and the song says that there’s political manipulators, there’s blue bloods that have the intellect of fleas. There’s kings and tyrants. And he says that the kings and tyrants are so lacking in refinement, then they should be swinging from trees.

And I had to wonder at one point, are they talking about, like, their monkeys? Like, they’re monkeying around, they’re apes? Or is he saying, like, they should be hanging from trees in that? Like, they’re kind of showing that if a political ruler becomes despotic, that this is, like, what you do. You poison them. You try to kill the ultimate ruler. And this is the first time in a Disney movie that this is laid out so specifically. Like, they actually say this in the lyrics, word for word. Like, if there is a political ruler that becomes manipulative, you should kill them.

I don’t know. That’s kind of. That’s kind of badass for a Disney movie. And that’s what she does. She just. One thing I love the label reveal that it’s not, which is why she’s the good guy. That was a good joke. I didn’t like that. But he pulls it. I was like, well, it looked like. And it’s a. Is a frigging llama. And the. And the other thing, too, is that his. The sire, the villager, Pacha or Paka? I don’t know which one it is, I think. But. But Paka. I had to look this up, but Paka represents the incan mythology of having this, like, world above a world below or inner world, because it might have been like, a hollow earth reference, and then the world that we live in and that the world that we live in is actually this, like, interaction between those two worlds.

And, I mean, it’s kind of like a heaven and hell thing. But the way that I was interpreting it, it’s less about, like, in a christian sense. Right. Like, hell’s kind of, like, tempting us so that when we die, we have to go to hell. Or that if you’re really good, then you get to go to heaven. But in this parka thing, it’s almost like two different chemicals interacting and the actual place where they’re interacting or, like, the petri dish. That’s what the. Like, the inner world or, like, the current world is. Yeah, actually, Pacha. This is how you would say pacha.

And I love how the Wikipedia says, is an overweight farmer residing in the countryside. So it’s interesting you say that, because Kronk has the two angel and demon, right? The angel and devil. Every time. He’s at a crossroads, essentially of, like, what. What should he do? He has the little. At the archetypal, a devil and angel pop up like the devil’s telling him, hey, yeah, do that bad thing. And the angels like, no, don’t do that. You know, be good, or whatever it is. Be courageous, or whatever it was that was telling him. And when Pacha sees the llama talking for the first time, he says, oh, it’s a demon llama or Lama demon, something along those lines.

And I actually searched that. I was like, is there some weird demonic llama God? And so when you look up demonic Lama or demon llama, it’s actually an episode in the Emperor’s new school show, which is a show from the emperor’s new school, is a show from 2008 ish, I believe. Is it 2008? Yeah, 2006 to 2008. Yep. And they’ve got a llama demon in that one. One of the episodes is named Llama Demon, and it’s about him. Like, I think he’s actually being tricked into. Let me. Let me look it up here real quick and read the synopsis of the demon llama.

So demon Llama is the second segment of the 25th episode of Emperor’s new school. The synopsis is, Kuzco must learn how to herd llamas. However, at the same time, easema tests her demon potion, which affects Pacha’s llamas as well. So I guess she has some sort of the episodes titles in reference to Pacha’s reaction upon seeing Kuzco’s llama form from the original movie. So it was like a, you know, calling back, like, oh, when the first time we saw you. But I guess islamas literally get turned into demons in this episode. I would imagine that show has to regularly turn him back into a llama, though, just to make the IP work.

I don’t know. You find excuses. Just, again, how Gilligan’s island, they can never get off the island is the main conceit. Right. Yeah. I had another interesting note on this one, too, that the version of hell in the incan mythology, like I was saying, it’s not just under the earth that we’re on now or under the plane, but it was inside. And that they related their demons to all sorts of, like, geothermal representation, like oil, minerals. And it was making me think, like, what if, you know, like, the actual american drillers that are going in there, fracking, and they’re.

They’re finding, you know, oil, maybe they actually are tapping into this, like, inner demon world and that that’s why there’s so much overlap between, you know, these oil barons and all blood. Yeah, dude, like, maybe. Maybe there’s something actually to that, because the Mesoamericans believe that that, like, the hell was inside the earth, literally. Not. Not. It was like some metaphorical hell place. But if you drill deep enough, that you would actually unlock demons that were, like, hiding inside of there. So maybe that actually does happen. That’s pretty trippy, dude. You said that was incan or aztec.

This is. This is incan, and this is the three different pacha. There’s three different versions of it. There’s Hanan Pacha, which is above, and then there is kpacha. K Pacha is, like the world that we’re in. And then there’s ukupacha, which is this inner world that were all these demons that are related to mining and oil. Whoa. Yeah. So it or is inner world associated with the dead as well as with new life? As the realm of new life? The realm is associated with harvesting and pacha mama, the fertility goddess. Damn, dude. So, like, the actual underworld aspect, the sun and moon pacha, there’s.

There’s the. The supe. Who’s that? Like, the. Like, their devil. But also death is what I described. The realm where supay rules is called salamanca, which I just thought of breaking bad because that was, like, the bad guys with the. The bell. His name is Salamanca, but Salamanca represents, like, the area of the dead, which is under the rule of supay. Whoa. That’s a dope find. Is there twins in this, too? No, there’s no twins because, remember the twins from breaking bad? The. Well, they’re kind. I mean, in theory and in, like, symbolism, they kind of are these twins, because the whole concept of these, like, three different worlds, or really the upper world and the lower world interacting with each other, it’s this dualism of something called, like, unanti or something.

And that Yunan tin is sort of like the ink inversion of as above, so below. It’s like their mythical outlook at life that everything gets balanced out. It’s almost like, like a taoist belief. The realms are not solely spatial, but were simultaneous simultaneously. Spatial interpol. Although the universe was considered to be a unified system within inca cosmology, the division between the world is part of the dualism prominent in inca beliefs known as Yanantin. Yeah, that’s ¥1.10. This dualism found that everything which existed had both features of any, of any feature, both hot and cold, positive and negative, dark and light, male and female.

So one of the examples of this one is that whenever they were giving some kind of, like, a sacrifice or if they were breaking bread or they were drinking wine, you would always pour out two drops first. And that was supposed to be one for, like, the positive node and one for the negative node, that duality. But this also made me think, like, did the. Did the incan culture, are they the ones that started out, like, pour one out for my homie? Because literally every time before they would drink or take a sacrifice, they would have to kind of, like, pay their.

Their respects first. Yeah, you have to. You have to. You have to make sure you get all the fluid drip down the gin. This is a weird example, or a few iterations before. Before, you know, three retoolings. And it was kingdom of the sun that would have had a lot more of this stuff. And, like, the angels and demons on the shoulder. I get what you’re saying. I’m also thinking, well, they’re trying to make it feel like a Looney tunes so that, you know, bugs bunny on Daffy duck always have those guys on your shoulders. So.

So can I share my screen real quick? Because I found this really interesting. Yeah, that’s $20, though, to share your screen on this podcast. All right, well, I’m going to describe it to you, then. So there’s a representation of pachama mind, the ink and cosmology from 1613. And I guess after a picture in the sun temple, Kwikancha and Cusco, is there is this a real place? Because this is a really interesting picture. And in my opinion, it shows they’re, like, worshiping a sun, like an actual sun on an altar. And that’s it’s making me think of, like, hollow earth, the black sun.

And, you know, that whole idea of there being, what, dealing concave earth with chorusanity where it’s like the the shell and the sun is in the center. And that’s like, then we’re looking at the. We’re from the inside. We’re looking at the sun in the center. We’re actually all, like, on the inside layer of the, of the concave earth. So let me share my screen real quick. Yeah, that seems to have a lot more to do with the original, too, because, uh, is when that one is literally trying to create a black sun, basically. So check this out here.

This is from 1613. It’s a representation of the pachamama, which is this again, this pachamama is the God is a goddess revered by the indigenous peoples of the Andes and Inca mythology. She is an earth mother type goddess and fertility goddess who presides over planting and harvesting, embodies the mountains, and causes earthquakes. She is also an ever present and independent deity who has her own creative power. Da da da. Interesting. It seems they were trying to avoid having this be too much like Hercules as well. So I think they maybe, like, kind of cut out a lot of more of the mythology for this one, just so it didn’t feel like they were doing because.

Same thing with Hercules. Zero to hero. He’s more likable because the emperor, he’s probably cutting people’s hearts out and toss them down the temple. I guess that’s more. Although there is an incan practice of. They actually had a specific word called kapakacha, I believe. And this literally was the Incan’s version of child sacrifice in order to appease the gods. It was basically the same fertility rite that we ascribed to the Sumerians and the Moloch and the ball worship. The Incans had their own version, Copacacia. Okay. And the emperor is the guy doing it so that, well, they’re throwing people out the window like it’s nothing.

True, true. So Hercules never comes quite across as a villain in the Disney movie. Sorry. Let me just make sure we put, you know, where Zeus is a benevolent God in the Disney movie. He’s not as. I can’t say that on here, but do you edit these after Thomas? Not really. I mean, I should. He’s not as grapey if you know what I mean. You know, I’m saying, like, grapey. And then, yeah, he’s always graping people, giving them juice, you know, but, yeah, I guess. I guess the flaw with this movie is there’s just so many, like, it’s kind of sort of okay, but a little bit bland.

And there’s just so many avenues where this could have been better, entertainingly better for, you know, weird to call it stuff. It’s kind of like, see all the places where originally, something like when you said the originally, Yzma was going to take away the sun because she wanted to be youthful forever. Because there’s a scene in here where he, like, zooms out on her face and it’s like, man, look at all those wrinkles. Beard. Why are they. Why did they do that and never comes up again? And now it makes sense. Oh, because originally they were steering towards this plot and then they got, you know, certain length in and they were like, okay, actually, we’re going to change it to be this.

But they don’t go back and re edit that scene for whatever reason. I think at one point, doesn’t he say, why do you look like this? He’s like, you’re like the embodiment of, like, evil or something along those lines where it’s like, showing what’s on the inside starts to come out and show on the outside. Yeah, totally. Cruella Deville. Like, there’s no way that she’s not Cruella Deville. That’s right. With the colors and the silhouette. Oh. Ironically, this movie got kind of thrown under the bus for 102 Dalmatians. I guess quality wise, they just decide we’re going to put our promotional power for 102 Dalmatians.

So when this came out, it came out to fourth place with 102 Dalmatians still, like, above it in the box office. That was kind of embarrassing for this movie. Yeah, she, she did give me Cruella vibes. But isn’t that archetypal of, like, Disney movies? There is always that one. Which kind of dark character. Yeah, the rescuers had almost the same character we noted when we did that one. And ultimately, I’d argue they all get root in Chernobog, the black God from Fantasia, because that’s what the silhouette even in, you know, Cruella Deville and Maleficent and so many of the other, like, the, the ultra villains, they have the silhouette of Chernobog interest.

Really? Absolutely. And I guess that’s where. Yes, yes. Ma’s still don’t know if I’m saying her name right. But I guess in the movie, they say Yzma. Yzma. Okay. Yeah, because she’s not. She doesn’t seem to quite fit into that box. She’s not quite that. I don’t know. Because. Because if you look at Chernobog, right? Like, you could see Chernobog from a puritanical standpoint, that he’s like this evil, you know, God, that’s. That’s everything unholy. And that, you know, the angels come in and they sing, you know, all these. These Beethoven songs or whatever, but he’s kind of required, like in the pagan.

Right. And that world, perkers night. Like, that’s sort of like this ritual that happens every year, and they summon him in order for the rest of the year to kind of go as planned. And that’s sort of what Yzma in particular in this movie. Like, she’s this what looks like a nefarious character, but she’s required in order to allow the emperor to become his best self. Like, without her, without the churn of her. She was the sacrifice, essentially. Yeah, she was. She was the sacrifice at the end because she’s the one that really lost. And as my.

The one of the funny parts was when she was lifting up her. Her, I guess, skirt, they’re like, oh, my God. They’re like, no. And then it’s like she had the name, like, oh, okay. You know, so honestly, the old guy that gets thrown out of the window for screwing with the emperor’s groove, he’s the sacrifice, because from that moment on is when the whole plot line advances of transforming the emperor. Of course, he’s not a sacrifice sacrifice. He shows up. Yeah, I know he gets caught, but he gets caught in, like, a red, uh, ribbon, which maybe it’s like, that was representative of, like, he actually died and that’s his blood coming out movies, so they can’t.

So I tried looking for as much as I could on occult stuff. I’d have to agree with you guys. There wasn’t really a lot there. I thought there was gonna be a lot more when. When I had originally agreed to do this. That’s why times, like, oh, you want to do empress? Yeah. Just has a bunch of alchemical stuff. Well, she is. She’s a freaking alchemist, man. But it was underwhelming. We have found when disney goes for, like, a different culture, they kind of. They. Some. You expect, like, a Mulan. We kind of expected some stuff.

But since they were trying to do chinese stuff, it’s just like, it’s kind of like they were so focused on that it didn’t have the proxy right in this movie. I mean, I’m curious if, if I detected this, right, but it’s the first time that a Disney movie has been self aware to the point where they’ve got a slow ride or they’ve got like a dark ride in the movie because they’re actually, they go on meta. Like, it’s super meta, and I can’t, like, can you, Matt, out of all the movies we’ve seen so far, do they ever go on a genie? Does it? They don’t go on a ride, but did.

I think the genie and Aladdin’s the first time they kind of got a little, know, self referential Hollywood rides, but that’s because they told Robin Williams just to basically rant. Right. And then they had to animate what he was ranting where here it would be a little, you know, you obviously have to design everything here intentionally. So I think it’s, this is the first time maybe Disney’s gotten that self referential, though. We’ve seen it in Disney movies before. Yeah, I did see that towards the end, I was getting pretty, pretty metal. I’m like, it’s kind of getting kind of, kind of too self aware for a second.

It was towards the end where he’s like, you know, it’s not about him. I know that was the middle, but there was a part, oh, when it gets to the llamas, he’s like, that’s me there. And it’s like, yeah, yeah, yeah, we get it. Or something. Or something along those lines, but yeah, no, I do agree with you. It did feel pretty meta towards the ending there, and they raced to get this movie on the end. It did come out late. Um, it was another one where Katzenberg had been in Disney until 94, so he had already seen, like, you know, pre work for a bug’s life and for this movie.

So he goes off and with DreamWorks, makes ants in the road to El Dorado, which came out about the same time as this. So it’s another ants bugs life thing. The road to El Dorado, that’s another one. That’s the one where they’re looking for the. Have you guys done that one yet? It’s DreamWorks, so it’s not even Disney. But the, Katzenberg had been the head of Disney’s animation, left under bad circumstances in the mid nineties, and then basically proceeded to make his own versions of all the movies that Disney was working on at the time. Atlantis, though, is Disney, right.

That is. We’re doing that in a few weeks. Yes. Awesome. Yeah. Yeah. See, that’s. That’s cool. But again, I mean, I give it a solid. This movie. I give it a solid gentleman. Six. I get a five. Five llamas out of ten. Llamas. Yeah. I think I’m gonna go with the five out of ten. It is funny. Monday, I went to the Disney Sea park and walked by a coaster that apparently was themed after this. Didn’t ride it, though, you know? A roller coaster? Yeah. It’s next to Indiana Jones, so you assume it’s Indiana Jones theme.

But when I was looking the week, he’s like, no, it’s actually based on this movie. Like, have you never ridden it? I read it, like, 15 years ago in Japan. It’s called Raging Spirits in Japan. Is it the part of the movie where they show the dark ride? This is a roller coaster, so it doesn’t resemble the dark ride in this movie, but it resembles Kronk’s palace. Not Kronk’s palace, Cusco’s palace. So it’s like raging spirits. So it looks like the ruins of his palace, basically. Disney Sea. What the heck is this? Is like Disney Japan? Yeah, yeah.

They have a Disneyland, and next to it is Disney Sea. Interesting. I never heard about this, but, yeah, I’m seeing it here. Tokyo Disney Sea, raging space. So I see the. The archway. Wow. But it was enough where you could do all the big attractions but not the small ones, and that counts as one of the smaller ones. It’s kind of a. It’s not a kiddie coaster, but it’s not one of the main attractions there. Wow, that’s really interesting. But, yeah, there kind of is a ride based on this movie. Kind of vaguely based on this movie, yeah.

But I didn’t ride it this time. Do you guys have any other notes on it? I looking at my notes, and I didn’t write that much. I had a lot more just by studying the production thing than from my personal observations of the movie. I was actually struggling to find stuff. And, yeah, I couldn’t really find much other than, again, I think Cronk has the little antenna looking thing. I really. I said, if she’s an alchemist, it’s probably her golem or something. And it’s interesting because at the beginning, when they’re sitting at the table, Cusco is kind of insinuating, like, oh, so how old is this one? You know, like 20.

Or however, almost like if she’s done it before. And ha. Has had other golems, I guess, like, I don’t know, but she’s like, something like that. And I’m like, hmm. You know, because she’s more like, I can find another big, dumb, strong man, but more like, I can make another big, dumb, strong man. How, monk? I mean, she had the whole entire owl cabinet full of different animal potions. So when it was what kind of. Sort of homunculus she was making, well, there’s something else that stands out about Yzma, and that’s that. First of all, in some of her scenes, there’s checkerboard floors in the palace.

And I had to look this up. And checkerboard floors were not a motif in incan or any kind of really mesoamerican cultures. They did a lot of stripes, and they did a lot of other intricate geometric patterns, but a straight up checkerboard floor was not one of those. So that was kind of interesting. But another thing, too, is that she was kind of dressed like a 1930s flapper. Like, she was kind of at, like, a F. Scott Fitzgerald party, right? Like, she doesn’t really fit into aztec culture. So I’m wondering, does Yzma actually represent sort of like, this american dabbling in mesoamerican culture? Because around the 1930s is about the same time that America starts exploring, you know, psychoactive properties and, like, different sort of on the edge types of research that they hadn’t up until that point.

So Yzma, in a way, feels like an american character in this movie. She doesn’t seem like an incan character. You know what I mean? Like, she’s cruella ville, so maybe. So she’s kind of catwoman, right? I mean, either way, this is maybe, like, Americans or modern secular science moving in on the alchemy of, you know, like, the old incan and mesoamerican cultures. So pull up what I just shared, bro, because now you’re making a good point where it’s like, these scenes were kind of psychedelic in a way. Like, if you look at it, that’s pretty psychedelic.

And look at her clothing, too. Like, tell me, does. Does she look like a 1930s 1940s flapper, or does she look like an incan, you know, assistant to an emperor? Yeah, I know. I see what you’re saying. And I don’t know if you guys caught this little Easter egg, but I did. Here. There was a picture of it, actually. Is it? I thought that was Easter egg. No, no. So I hear at the beginning, when he serves the wrong drinks to her, and then she pours it on the cactus. When they go back to the cactus.

The cactus. Yeah, the cactus turns into a llama, too. Yeah. So, yeah, no, interesting, interesting connection, bro. But now it makes a lot of sense with those scenes, the way they look. And also when. When they go at the end of that roller coaster dark ride, they reappear. They’re wearing 1930s Doctor Frankenstein style lab coats with, like, the black goggles and the black rubber gloves and, like, her representing this version of alchemy that everything gets standardized, everything gets put into a little vial with a little label on it. Like, that also does not seem like an ink and shaman sort of property.

That’s something that a 1930s american scientist in the Rockefeller system would be doing. This movie needed more cocaine then. So. Well, ironically, they do not show any of coca. And coca was one of the most sacred sort of substances in incan culture, especially around this time period that they’re kind of hinting at. So I guess, long story short, Yzma represents the fact that the Rockefeller medicine system is ultimately a good thing because they help you transform externally, even if you don’t want to go through it. It’ll make you better. It’ll turn you into a llama or.

I don’t know. I think the emperor’s going to get over his lesson within, like, two weeks and get back to doing horrible emperor stuff, because that’s. That’s how the throne works, I think. Yeah, I agree with you. And I think, yeah, I think it’s. It comes to show it in this version, you said they didn’t knock down the rainforest. Did not. He builds his house right next to sting. Got all pissy about it. I don’t. I don’t even know who sting is. The police, you know, I guess ever since, like, acab culture, all cops are bad.

That also means sting is bad. Sting. Does Sting get pulled into the AcaB movement? So Gordon Matthew Thomas Summer sumner is. I am, yeah. Yeah. He quit the police in 1985, so it’s been a while. Oh, the police. Okay, okay. You’re saying voices in my head. I thought you were talking about, like, the police. I’m like, what the hell? Did the police have anything to do with this? That’s what they have to do. This is a one and done. I’m glad to watch it with my family because I don’t think they would have paid attention. Fair enough.

I mean, once you hear David Spade’s voice, I don’t know how many people, they could have replaced him with Gilbert Gottfried, and it probably might have been better do you have an impression of that, bro? I do. I can’t do a Gilbert. Do you. Can you do a Gilbert Gottfried? Not. I know I can do, like, Gilbert Godfrey. I talk like this all day. I don’t know. It’s not a great one, but it’s a one. Yeah, I haven’t thought about it. Five out of ten, bro. Five out of ten. I guess we’ll wind this one down then.

If no one has a. Yeah. What’s next? Movie. What are we doing next? Recess. Schools out based on a tv show, I believe. Don’t know what to expect at all from that. And after that? Atlantis, which I am extremely looking forward to because I remember liking the movie. And there’s definitely more than one thing to talk about. Yeah, definitely. Well, I want. I guess I’ll ask what’s. What’s going on your world of podcasting and such these days? Um, finishing up the stuff for the campaign. Cultist Mundi. Been riding a lot and been riding a lot of shorts, so I’m constantly have to keep the wheels trending, turning, and burning every single day.

But, yeah, that’s all I really been up to. Just trying to really bench out with content. I tried streaming for the first time in five years yesterday, playing some older game, trying to do, like, a fun decode playthrough and fun fact. I wanted to be a streamer before I was a podcaster, so I guess kind of going back to see what happens, because when I first tried streaming, nobody showed up. And this time a little bit of people showed up. So we’ll see what happens with that. But I try and make it a new thing and build up other channels and other avenues of content, different forms of content.

Grifter. Yes, it’s the max. I’ve done some live chats, which you just have to kind of stick with it for a little while till people start showing up a bit and expect that you might just be sitting around playing video games once or twice, like, without anyone paying attention, which is okay with me, bro. I mean, you know, sometimes it gets exhausting doing research and reading, and sometimes you just want to do mind numbing stuff, right? Yeah. Watch Godzilla movies all day. That’s not a bad way to spend your day, I would say. Yeah. Yeah. And then you get stomped.

What’s. What’s going on in the. For your paranoid may? Then I’m going to have to get Juan to help me out because I’ve done a few different game streaming episodes. I’ve got a series called let’s play with Paranoid, which sounds a little bit kinky now that I say out loud, but I cannot figure out how to get it to stream the twitch. It’ll like Streamyard will say you’re streaming, it’ll give the green light and everything. And then I’ll go and check twitch later and it’s like no videos. And I’ve literally shown like a bunch of. It happened to me yesterday too.

My friend said it takes a while to load up, but I think there’s a setting for it because when I first started a long time ago, this is like five years ago, I would, it would save her for 30 days. And the last couple times I’ve streamed to twitch, the podcast, and this stream last night, it didn’t save. So I have to figure it out. And once I do, I’ll let you know. So might be a streamyard thing. We’ll figure that out. Outside of that, Juan and I just wrapped up the chosen one, which got over 400% funding on Kickstarter, which is huge because the first one got 200 something percent.

So if we can keep doubling the amount of readers each one, and we’re still doing baby numbers, I think it was just shy of 60 people that backed this. Uh, so if we can get to 100 and then the 200, because I regularly see these comic campaigns, once they get momentum, they can pull in 500 backers. So that’s kind of the goal. And we’re inching towards that. And I’m hoping that the next series that I got coming out tomorrow, and if you’re listening to this now, it’s probably already out. And you can go to adult occult.com, which is the first paranoid american adult only series.

So we’ll see if this one, you know, spikes the numbers. And if so, we’re going to make one naked in the next issue of chosen one because that’s the way we’re going to go now. No, we’re not wrong. He only wears a towel in issue three. So yeah, there is that. So I mean, the logical conclusion of that is that someone takes the towel and now he’s naked. Maybe I’ll be inserted in the, I’ll have that, that horse long on the next Illuminati comic book making homunculi. But yeah, this is fun. Thank you for having me as your first guest.

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