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➡ Paranoid American, a comic publisher and podcast host, launched in 2012, is known for delving into and unraveling world mysteries, from mind control and secret societies to forbidden technology and occult symbols. The New York Patriot, a founder of Occult Rejects, was a guest on the podcast, discussing his experience in and departure from secret societies like the Oto. The discussion contains details about the structure and customs of these organizations, revealing inner workings typically kept from the public view.
➡ The speaker recounts their experience with the Order Templi Orientis (Oto), mentioning they opted out, only to receive a letter later stating they were expelled. They discuss the secretive, potentially unsettling practices of the group and how the Oto found their new address. Despite quitting, the speaker still seems concerned about potential repercussions, such as being placed on a blacklist. Conversations also cover initiation rituals, "secret handshakes", and other nuanced practices. The speaker admits to not having advanced to the higher orders.
➡ The speaker reflects on their past experiences with magic, expressing a desire to continue learning and exploring. They anticipate another discussion about magic on a live podcast and express their willingness to perform a banishing ritual. They also describe receiving their elaborate robes from Spain for their secret society meetings, and mention how others dress at these gatherings. They promote their shows: Nypatriot, Occult Rejects, and Spiritual Gangsters, available on major podcast platforms and YouTube. The text concludes with an exciting pitch for a comic book about summoning homunculus from Paranoid American.
➡ The speaker discusses their experience with Freemasonry and The Ordo Templi Orientis (OTO), noting a various set of degrees and titles that can be attained. Comparison is made with other organizations such as the Knights of Columbus and The Golden Dawn. The speaker illustrates their preference for more rigid schools but found OTO accessible. They also mention specific lodge practices and study requirements may vary by region. Topics such as secrecy, memorization of content, and metaphorical initiation threats are also discussed.
➡ The speaker discusses his interpretation of magic and its relation to near death experiences, as well as his involvement with esoteric groups such as Freemasonry and the Oto. He also talks about the shifting foundations and dramas within these groups, particularly focusing on notable figures like Crowley and Albert Pike. Further, he mentions his stint in federal prison for selling steroids online which led him to encounter a wide range of individuals. This narrative treads between discussing esotericism and personal experiences.
➡ The discussion involves questioning various theories including military confinement, occultism, perception of earth's shape, space exploration, and conspiracy theories surrounding Stanley Kubrick and NASA. The debate revolves around a scale of conviction, 1-10, where certain statements are rated based on belief. They also discuss influences and ideologies from World War II, touching upon eugenics and subsequent impact on society. They end with discussing the cost of coffee and Alistair Crowley's connections with demons or aliens.
➡The text discusses the esoteric belief systems involving figures like Alistair Crowley, their perceived abilities to contact supernatural entities, and the speculation about these abilities being innate or learned. It also dips into discussing broader concepts like astral projection, occult text interpretations, Rosicrucian beliefs, and the symbolism of the seven seals.
➡ The speaker discusses their beliefs about religion, magic, and spirituality, highlighting that while they reject organized religion with its numerous rules, they embrace the practice of magic and experiments with altering physical reality. They suggest that this approach allows more personal empowerment and a better understanding of existence, even leading them to question established beliefs about the world they live in. They express skepticism about public figures who profess strong religious beliefs, suggesting that these people might actually be occultists using religion to hide their true practices.
➡ The speaker reflects on their experiences with practices like creating talismans, gathering special stones and herbs, and seeking energy from planetary constellations in order to understand magic. Looking back, the speaker sees these practices as somewhat trivial, and questions their earlier ideas of white and black magic. After reflecting on his experiences, the speaker concludes that any attempt to alter reality without changing oneself first constitutes black magic, and extends this idea to propose that our very existence, where we possibly infringe on the will of others, could be seen as black magic. The speaker also discusses experiences of deeper meditation and the mental challenges that followed, questioning accepted scientific truths and realizations about being lied to about things including religion and the Oto. The speaker ends by critiquing a movie about sex trafficking, suggesting it was purely a profit-making scheme.
➡ The speaker discusses conspiracy communities, ignorance, and Oto practices. Even though information about serious topics like sex trafficking is becoming more available, it does not mean these practices have stopped. He mentions a conspiracy around the Rothschilds family by Ezra Pound and MKUltra. The speaker also emphasizes his interest in mystery and magic, suggesting many celebrities and politicians engage in magical practices like Abramovich's Spirit cooking. He then debates the authenticity of these practices in the modern age, suggesting most are merely performative or "LARPing." Graphics novel about MKUltra and other related topics are also mentioned. The speaker concludes by emphasizing the importance of knowledge and understanding in these communities.
➡ The speaker expresses skepticism about the effectiveness and sincerity of the Oto (Ordo Templi Orientis), a religious organization associated with Aleister Crowley. They believe magical experiences originate from personal development and self-understanding, not from external organizations like the Oto. The speaker also contrasts magic and witchcraft, deeming witchcraft to be more misguided. They recommend self-guided studies, such as the works by Josephine McCarthy, over joining organized groups.
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Video TranscriptionYou. Good evening, listeners. Brave navigators of the enigmatic and the concealed. Have you ever felt the pull of the unanswered, the allure of the mysteries that shroud our existence? For more than a decade, a unique comic publisher has dared to dive into these mysteries, unafraid of the secrets they might uncover. This audacious entity is paranoid American. Welcome to the mystifying universe of the paranoid American podcast. Launched in the year 2012, paranoid American has been on a mission to decipher the encrypted secrets of our world.
From the unnerving enigma of MKUltra mind control, to the clandestine assemblies of secret societies, from the awe inspiring frontiers of forbidden technology, to the arcane patterns of occult symbols in our very own pop culture, they have committed to unveiling the concealed realities that lie just beneath the surface. Join us as we navigate these intricate landscapes, decoding the hidden scripts of our society and challenging the accepted perceptions of reality.
Folks, I've got a big problem on my hands. There's a company called Paranoid American making all these funny memes and comics. Now, I'm a fair guy. I believe in free speech as long as it doesn't cross the line. And if these AI generated memes dare to make fun of me, they're crossing the line. This is your expedition into the realm of the extraordinary, the secret, the shrouded. Come with us as we sift through the world's grand mysteries, question the standardized narratives, and brave the cryptic labyrinth of the concealed truth.
So strap yourselves in, broaden your horizons, and steal yourselves for a voyage into the enigmatic heart of the Paranoid American podcast, where each story, every image, every revelation brings us one step closer to the elusive truth. Yo, what up, boys and girls? This is the Paranoid American, and today we got the New York Patriot, and he's going to live in this tiny little screen down at the bottom the whole time of this interview.
He'll be right here. So what's going on? New York patriot. You're a founder of occult rejects. You've got some of the most fire content on podcast you can listen to. I love just like, the tone, the approach, the casual style, everything man. So I had to get you on because we've had some amazing talks on various topics on your show and elsewhere every time you came on. Always great talks.
So, I mean, we're going to get into it today. I want to find a little bit more out about you. We're going to put you on the hot seat, maybe a little bit. Sounds good. So you ready for this? So I want to do plugs up front and we'll do some at the end. But where can people find you? Like, where should someone go to listen to your podcast and see everything you got? I'm on all major podcasts under the NY Patriot Show or the Occult Rejects.
BitChute. Rumble. Same thing. And then I do have a YouTube channel, the Occult rejects that has both shows and everything on there. And the name Occult Rejects is based mean, my understanding is that you join some secret societies and then you decide to leave or what, do they kick you out? Like, what makes you in a cult, you know? Lux, believe it or not, he was the one who actually came up with the name, pretty much.
I love the name, man. It's a great I really didn't even like coming up with one for the NY Patriot, and I regretted the name after I made it, but it's like too late now and I'm okay with it now, but at that time I was just like, you know what, if you want to pick a name, go for it. I'm not going to pull no dick measuring contest on this because I don't even want the job of picking the name for the job, so it's all yours.
And one day he happened to he was just like spitballing, like funny ones, like Spoof that obviously we weren't going to use. And he sent something about the occult rejects. And I was like, yeah, that's actually a good idea. And he was like, you think so? I was like, yeah. He's like, actually, yeah, I do, too. So we ended up keeping it, but it fit because I guess kind of like when he left, I mean, technically we both left our orders.
If he was in one, I left, but then did get kicked out. But that was after we had already started the show. But basically it was more of like, yeah, we're kind of rejects. We didn't fit in where we know Lux also liked it because of saying that we reject the agenda that's being put on us as well. We reject the magic and the mindfuck that's being used on us.
So it was also multilayered, but I thought it was good enough to where I was like, I could see that meaning so many different things. That's a kind of a cool name, like a very broad and just like occultism, you make seven meanings out of that, you know what I'm saying? I was kind of okay with it and it was really easy and I thought it sounded cool, so that basically sums it up.
But I'm pretty sure in his idea of that name us being part of secret societies and leaving and not thinking that we really fit in was part of it. And when you say that you got kicked out after the show, was it because of the show? Or was it like you just stopped paying dues or what? I was already owing them dues to begin with. Yeah, because as soon as COVID came and they shut down, I was like, I'm not giving you money for a place I can't even go to if I wanted to.
So I wasn't paying them dues anymore. And I think I had stopped like maybe a few months prior to that. What caused it, really? I stopped paying the dues then. I had even had asked for them in the Oto. I don't know how it is in other secret societies, but if you become a member, it's like, oh, I put your name on some list forever, and you have to actually fill out a piece of paper to get it removed from that list.
So I did all that, sent it back, and then normally they send you something back. It could be two months later or whatever. Why go through that extra step? I understand stopping paying dues and saying, if you guys are closed down, I'm not going to pay anymore. But why not just ignore it and walk away? What was it? Because it almost seems like now it's like you're making a point of it.
Like, take my name out of your books, bitch. Yeah, well, I wasn't going to be a member anymore, so why would my name be in there? That's all it really was. Okay. It doesn't cost any extra money or anything to have your name taken back out? No, just cost aggravation and then been timed to fill out paperwork. So then after, uh, I got hit with copyright shit, actually I got slapped with the DMCA.
And funny thing is that there's a chick at my lodge that did that to Leo Zagami because he was going to put out a book with shit about the Oto. And if you go and look through Leo Zagami's stuff, when he talks about it, he will mention her name. I'm not going to go that far, but her name is out there and everything. She's probably the one who did it to me, which is pretty funny.
I look back at it now, I'm like, wow, same bitch did it to me. Probably because she is a lawyer in general. I got slapped with a DMCA slap because I was going over Minerval first and second degree. I went over on my own. You know you're not supposed to do that. And eventually I got to deep no, my bad. I got the DMCA slap a while prior to that.
I wasn't showing my face, really, or on other people's shows. When I even did stuff with Lux, for the most part, he never showed his face. So we never used the cameras. Because I'm going to make him look like an idiot that I can show my face. And he's scared. We have a magician who left a secret society, but he's scared to show his face. I feel stupid if people see that.
So I left mine off and eventually I just started turning it on more. And then eventually they were actually able to see who the person was behind the account. So then I got an email from the lodge, from the lady who was the lodge master at the time, because we even switched the lodge master. Is that what you call it? The lodge master. Worshipful Master? No, it's just a lodge master.
Yeah. And she sent me an email saying that I was going to be put on probation and that I was kind of not allowed to come. And because they had realized that I was doing podcasts and putting out stuff that I wasn't supposed to. I will not podcast on the chalkboard 100 times. Yeah. And then they said, but because of this, we do have to send it to the other people above them and the outer head and whatever.
These other people. And I'm like, whatever, I don't care. I'm not fucking coming. And I'm like, I should be getting paper sent back to me soon saying that I'm not even a member anymore. So I was like, who cares? It was like, maybe a month later, I got like a letter in the mail. I was like, fucking Oto. I was like, first off, I was like, how the fuck did they even find my address? Because I had moved.
That bugged me out a little bit. And my friend was still the secretary at the time. And he's like, well, when you moved, there was a thing that they send every once in a while, maybe every six months or some shit. They must have sent that in the time around, like when I still had the address change. So it got sent back to them with my new address on it.
It didn't get forwarded to me. Sometimes. They normally forward it, but sometimes they'll send the shit back with the new address change and tell you got to resend it. So he told me, that's how we got your address. He's like, don't worry about it. But they send me a letter in the mail. They're everywhere, man. They're at the mail. They're at the mail. Post office. And they're on every corner.
Yeah, post office. They probably are. The reason why I say that is because after the end of one of the initiations, they want you to take Lieber Oz and go post it up onto like, three federal fucking places. And they suggest a church. They suggest go put in a church, a post office and a police station. Like, why? Is that where all your fucking people are at already? Yeah.
The joke is already right itself. Right? Yeah. They'll make sure they go and take it down. You're supposed to put your name and everything on it, too. You brought that up. But I'm curious because I'm only familiar with Freemasonry and forgive me, man. Please forgive me. But in Freemasonry, they've kind of looked at Oto and some of the other ancillaries that it's like the criminal version. That's where all the drug addicts and addicts go to do more or less the same rituals, just in more casual clothes, maybe.
Yeah. See, the Oto, you start off like that, and the Masons, you just got to get into orders to do that. Yeah, right. You got to work your way into being more casual, and then it's okay to run underage kids and do drugs. That reminds me, today's episode is sponsored by the Order of the Royal Jesters. So shout out to you guys, man. Lodge number six five off by one too.
That sucks for you guys. There's a Royal Order of the Moose six six in actually, the Liberty Building in New York City. That's interesting. I think I sent you a picture of this. What was the flintstones one? Something of the moose something moose the buffalo. But they actually have legit Masonic orders now that you can become whatever the hell the Flintstones were. I mean, everyone knows it's like an inside joke, but you can get the little pin and everything.
Yeah, that's what oh, sorry. I took us totally off track, but long story short, I got a letter in the mail, and it was telling me that I was kicked out for doing what I did. So it was like, you don't quit, you're fired. Imagine that's what they did. Imagine they got the paperwork and they're like, we'll just kick them out now. I didn't even think of that.
I don't know when you mail it to whoever you're sending it to, if they actually contact the lodge person, the lodge manager, and be, you know, Nick sent us his paperwork, or do they tell them after the fact, like, so and so has been removed? I don't know how that works. I feel like what they do is they take your name from the good boy list and they put it on the shit list.
Kind of like Scientologists have the list of I forgot the name for that one too. But there's, like, a certain name, and if your name gets on that list, it's like you're allowed to just treat that person differently, you know? I will have to say, though, unless they contacted my old personal accounts that I haven't used in years and years, I never got any shit from them. So I am kind of impressed with that.
They hit you for DMCA, for just reading some of their materials. I guess all their materials are still copyrighted by the Oto directly or how does that work? I don't know because the whole thing is like, all right, I took what is the name of that book? The secret rituals of the Oto. Now, there's a lot of stuff in there that is incorrect. And when I was kind of going through it, I was actually adding in what was done, because I don't even think the book does tell you some of the handshakes and some of the words that it said, I don't think they're correct.
Or it doesn't tell you that shit is still missing or it's wrong. So I was fixing everything that I caught on and could realize or that I remembered that was completely wrong and kind of, like, did it that way. So I mean, I was using a book or I don't know if it was either the book or me actually saying the real shit that I experienced, you know what I'm saying? Do you leave anything out, or have you done, like, a tell all of your whole experience, or are there some secrets that you keep? Did when I first came out, I was very, I guess very angry at the Oto.
Even though it's hard to explain, it really isn't like it's partially their fault and partially just humans are fucking morons, and they take advantage of it. But I had no problem basically saying anything. About the only thing I really didn't do was I never got into names and addresses and places because I knew because of humans being crazy, I could say something, and then someone can hear that and go do something, and when I don't want that, you know what I'm saying? Could you drop on me? What's the secret handshake? If I were to just go to some Oto lodge and I wanted to get to the secret boss at the end, you know what I mean? The one that gives you the extra gold coin or whatever, what kind of handshakes what kind of things do I got to say? How do I just bust up in a lodge? Well, first off, you could just show up anyway, as long as it's an open day.
But I think funny is that when they do do that stuff from my experience again now, maybe when you get higher up, I don't know, but I've only ever seen really I mean, in initiations you will go through the new shit and at some rituals you will do kind of stuff. But it's like only the Minerva, which is like half in and half out. You're not even a full member for the most part, from what I remember.
That's the one thing that I think they constantly will do. It's not like anything above that. That to I could still tell what was the highlight of the initiation. You go like that, and then you put your hand down by your bottom and act like you're cutting your stomach across. You pump your thumb a few times. I think you will pump someone's thumb either three times by four or four.
When you say pump your thumb, can you give me a visual on giving them a thumbs up? Thumbs up. And then they go, that's a little gay. That's a little gay. That's cool, whatever. We accept all kinds here. You want to pump thumbs, you can pump thumbs. Check this out. You want to hear some weird wild shit now in that minervo, you're on your way to Heliopolis. You're heading to Heliopolis, and then you get stopped by these people, and they take you to a camp.
Heliopolis in Gematria equals thumbs up. Interesting. And you go and you pump your thumbs. And that's significant to me, at least, because like Mathers, right? Mathers was one of the OGS in the Oto, The Golden Dawn. And the Mathers cipher is one of the popular Gamatria ciphers that people still use. They sometimes refer to it as the Hebrew cipher. Although technically Mathers cipher. Oh, yeah. No, I use a Hebrew and English when I do mine.
That's interesting. Okay, so you go in, they stroke your thumb a few times at the end, after you've done everything and you said you didn't get that high. How high did you get and how high is there? The third as far as I got. Okay. Is it loosely based on Freemasonic hierarchy and whatnot? Or have you ever looked in to see how much it correlated? I know, like in the higher up ones, you do start getting into I mean, I could probably pull it up, but I could probably freestyle it enough now.
Anyway, the higher see? Well, one thing too, the fifth degree you have to be asked to do, you can petition up to the fourth anyway by yourself, unless you're a complete idiot or they think like there's something off with you, like you might be a danger to people, you'll keep going at least you know what I'm saying? But after that and the ones higher up, I think I'm just taking a guess this might be even like Freemasonic in a sense too.
You almost start getting like at these degrees. There'll also be like little add ons that you can add or like little names or titles start coming. It's not just like that one degree. Then there's like other little things that can attach to it and you start getting like Knights Templar shit. You will see a lot of the same names that you see that come with grades and degrees in other places and stuff that I've seen in Freemasonry.
Yeah, Freemasonry has some of that. But it's like you go into the Blue Lodge and now you get like the Knights Templar stuff. Or if you go into the Scottish right, that's when you get what people consider like the high degrees up to like 32 or 33. But I'm not really as familiar with all the little ancillary stuff. Unless you start volunteering to show up at lodge and clean the kitchen and stuff.
Then you might get like little special titles like The Grand Consort and it's like you made great mashed potatoes one night. I don't know. So like this there is I'll read off some of them like in The Lovers toward the fifth degree you can have the Sovereign Prince of the Rose Cross and the Knight of the Pelican and Eagle knight of the Red Eagle, a member of the Senate of knight of hermetic philosophers the 6th one you can be illustrious knight of the Order of Kadosh, a grand inquisitor commander prince of the Royal Secret, perfect pontiff of the Illuminati, ePOP of the illuminati initiate of the Sanctuary of the Gnosis.
This one I like especially since I've been covering the Gilgo beach. Rex Summers Sanctismus. Do you have all that at the bottom of your business card? Just put all the little titles on the bottom? Yeah, if you're like, put on your LinkedIn and just start applying the jobs and they check you out and like, this guy's, for real. They'd be like, Yo, I got to copy and paste and Google this.
I don't even know, they'll think I'm into LARPing. I actually would love to get into that topic, but what was it about the Oto and not, I don't know, a million know? Why wasn't it the Knights of Columbus or something? It's actually more of I actually would have preferred The Golden Dawn because I was looking for something that was a little bit more of school, a little bit more rigid.
Didn't have much of the same look as the you know, I believed Crowley was an occult genius, but I wasn't into something that was just like, all going to be like, crowley, Crowley, Crowley, Crowley. I really wasn't caring for that. And there was no Golden Dawn near me, at least not that I could find. And I happened to just check the Oto because I have watched a lot of their stuff on YouTube.
A lot of Lodges even have informative or I guess podcasts or shows on their own topics. And I used to like, do they DMC themselves just for good measure? It's part of the ritual themselves. A copyright? Yeah, it's like the self flagellation, right? Like open day. So I happened to look up, which is real easy. I'm sure most people realize these things aren't hard to find, that listen to our shows.
It was Oto usa. org or some shit like that. It was really easy. I found it and I was like, oh, there's 125 minutes, 20 minutes away from me when I lived in Queens. So I was like, I guess that's really like, my only option because I knew somebody that I was friends with told me maybe the Martinists, but there wasn't any around me. And he was a Mason himself.
I knew a few Masons already, and they had already told me, if you want to get into magic, you're going to have to join this and wait like 1015 years at least with the Oto or the Golden Dawn that you're starting off with. You're talking about the Martinists have like a ten year waiting list. No, he was getting at like, before anybody in the Freemasons want to admit that there's actually occultism and magic, you got to have to wait until you get up fucking high enough for anybody to start talking about it, maybe.
I mean, I was only a master Mason, and one of my brothers in Lodge started mentioning how it was like magical rituals and stuff. I guess it could also be very much probably like you're saying location in a sense, too. Yeah, I mean, absolutely. Just from things that I've seen with the Oto, each lodge kind of has, like, its own flair and its own fucking, its own secrecy and its own little way we want to do things and whatever.
Yeah, dude, grain of salt on this one. But I talked to someone recently that said that they had joined Freemasonry to expose it. And then, I mean, they were dropping some hot fire, like some stuff that they shouldn't have been saying, but it's nothing that you couldn't find on your own. But he was saying that in the West Coast, Freemasonry, they don't care about memorization. They don't care about a whole lot of sort of like, the regular guidelines, and they just want you to read secret Teachings of all ages.
Secret Doctrine and, like, a few other books, and they'll just quiz you on, I guess, the minutiae of some of that esotericism. That didn't sound right to me, but again, I have no idea how it operates in California. I'm not even sure if California is a real place still, but here in the Southern jurisdiction, it's very strict on memory work. Like, you have to be able to train your mind to memorize a book's worth of content, and that's basically the bar to get I couldn't I couldn't imagine something being so different where it's like yeah, in California.
You just kind of have to know a lot of manly Palmer hall and they're like, yeah, you're you know, here's your surfboard, here's your apron, type of deal. I don't know how it know? I wanted to ask just real quick. I know for like whenever I did know, they start running off their whole little threat of you repeating stuff. And I guess for the most part, maybe you'll understand what I'm getting at in initiations.
Sometimes I'm not even really paying attention to what's going on because I'm thinking about what just happened, what's going to happen next? And it's like your mind really isn't taking everything in. In my opinion, it was going to other people's after the fact. Yeah, it's being able to be an observer, it's totally different. But besides that, they'd say those things and it sounds all like, oh, okay. And then after the fact, when I even started to think of covering, I told you prior that hunt me down and cut me open.
Well, see, I started looking at it, and I started reading it, and I was like, you know, in my opinion, if you are an actual somebody who's experienced magic, I think these are all empty threats. Actually, I'm with you on that. I don't want to get too deep into the specifics, but I really do personally believe and this might not be widely accepted in Freemasonry and elsewhere, but I believe that those are all very metaphorical threats.
The threats themselves are also hidden knowledge, and you're supposed to interpret that as secret knowledge. And if you look, you think someone's actually going to cut you open, then you don't understand it still. You need to go back and start over from the first degree again and work yourself up until you but I also know that there's some super crusty OGS that have been in lodge longer than I've been on the planet and they would completely disagree, I'm sure.
Yeah, but I was going to say, for me, that was another thing too. Honestly, I never did notice anything illegal with the Oto, but if I did, I don't know, because again, now I'm starting. You just didn't get high. That's what I when I talk to people about Freemasonry and they're like, man, I heard this guy know this lodge, they kidnapped a bunch of kids and they did all this and it's like, man, I've never heard anything remotely close to that.
They do like St. John's Day and they do like the little fez things in the little car sometimes and they raise money for hospitals, but that must just be at the higher degrees, bro. It's at like 33 or 34. That's when that starts. Yeah, but basically what I was saying is I never said anything that was really going to affect them, really. You know what I'm saying? Nobody's going to get in trouble.
Nobody's life is going to be changed. After what I said, are there any secrets that you could really divulge that would be like, okay, now you don't have to go to an Oto lodge ever because I just told you this thing. Like, spoiler alert if I told you who the killer in Scream One was, and now it's like now you don't have to go in and see it.
Unfortunately, that would be just a matter of an opinion and not something that I could say. That what would be the thing if there were a thing that you could say, what would that thing be? That magic is my opinion, separating your soul from your body. And it's not what most people think at all, separating from so like, the magic is in you and you're taking parts of it out in order to use magic.
You leave your body. In my opinion. It's basically an NDE, a near death experience every time you have magic, in my opinion, or a near unalive experience, as YouTube tells them. Yeah, the thing is, I think there's a lot of people who never even have that thought in their mind. That's actually what magic is. And then if you were to have that experience, that could really fucking rock you to the core.
I've never heard that as being related to magic, but I guess how familiar are you with Rosicrucianism? Did you ever get into that at all? No, because again, I'm an actual bumpkin when it comes to these esoteric groups outside of Freemasonry, but my interpretation correct me as I get things wrong. But it was that golden dawn started and golden Dawn. Turned into Oto. And Oto had less rules than Golden Dawn.
And then there was also Rosicrucianism. But Rosicrucianism was for men only. And I believe that was what kind of spawned the Golden Dawn originally, was they were like, well, we want to be able to do what the Rosicrucians are doing, but be co ed. And then somehow the Oto came out of Golden Dawn because of Crowley. And Crowley had some sort of beef with the Oto guys. How much of that with the Golden Dawn guys? How much of that is the Oto came from Freemasonry.
You used to be able to transfer over if you were a higher degree you used to be able to transfer over into the Oto at a different degree because they were connected when Crowley yes, it is true. I'm sorry, I know you can hold on. Was it bi directional, though? Because I could understand if they were like, well, if you got into third degree masonry, then you can transfer an Oto, but could you just go into Oto and then no, you had to be a Free.
No, if you were a Freemason, you can go into the came from people that were Freemasons. Right. It was the dudes that wanted to talk magic after the lodge was then the Golden Dawn. That's its own separate entity. So Crowley got kicked out of the Freemasons. He also got kicked out of the Golden Dawn. It's disputed if he was ever actually in the Freemasons or if he was, like, made, whatever.
I actually question a lot of his stories. I think a lot of them are actually just occult tales, especially. Do you think he really climbed mountains? I think that just goes along with being a goat and occult symbolism, twin Peaks, shit like that. Yeah, true. I mean, he very much could have, knowing it's like, I'm reenacting occultism. But I do think a lot of his some of them for sure, I do think is just occult tales.
But to get back to Theodore Roos, and I think one or two other guys had the Oto, then Crowley had written the Book of the Law. They came across the Book of the Law and thought that he was writing about contact. They contacted him and it was like, Yo, dude, what's up? This is the story. Um, they're like, Yo, dude, what's you're you're dropping our secrets? You're putting our secrets out there? And he's like, I don't even know who the hell you are.
And then they met up and they handed him the Oto. And then he said that he thought because there was a ridiculous amount of degrees to match Freemasonry, he thought it was ridiculous how many degrees there was in Freemasonry that he knocked out, like, fucking half of them or whatever and left it with, like, twelve or 13 and tried to condense them as well. So that was a change.
And he even changed the initiations. The degrees. And then the Book of the Law was like their Bible. Yeah. And I think that in Europe, the rites of Memphis and Miseryum were fairly large, and they went up to, like, 99 degrees. And then even when people started coming over into United States originally, there was not a lot of agreement on how many degrees there would be until Albert Pike kind of came.
Albert pike was, like, the guy that standardized it. Another illuminati fellow. Illuminati member. Did his name ever come up in any of your Illuminati talks at the Know? It was so funny. There they were, I guess because I was into conspiracies, which got me even into joining the Oto. And it's like, when you went into there, they really weren't into I don't know. It was very weird. What was the average age group in there? It was probably, like, mid to late 30s, maybe 40s.
But conspiracy stuff was like they would joke around about how, like, oh, yeah, and people think the Illuminati is real, and these things that we're doing, they would joke around thinking like, this shit really doesn't happen. I'm like, really? I understand we're in something, but there's always going to be one grimy piece of shit doing something screwed up. Out of 100 people, 200 people, you can't say out of the whole organization.
All of that stuff is not true just by ODS. Some of it's probably going to be, to an extent, just a law of numbers, and they just want to ignore it's so funny. They're so stupid, those people, and it's like, no, you're actually ignorant. You don't even know what magic is. You don't even know what your will is. This brings me into a good segue because I've got a list of questions.
I got some rapid fire questions, and basically, I want to hear how valid you think some of these topics are. So if you give something a one, it's like it's bullshit. It's a psyop. It's a silly fruitful thing. And if you give it a ten, it's like, I'm all in. 100% reptilians exist or whatever. I wrote some of these. This is good specifically for you. So I just want to see what you're and then based on what you answer here, we'll go on a few other little this is like a which Way book.
You remember that? Okay. Oh, man. And I forgot I got to start this one. The first important question new York Patriot are you a cop? No. Because if you're a cop, you have to tell me. You're not allowed to lie about this. If I ask it straight up like this, are you a all right, everyone heard it. I am a felon. Oh. Are we allowed to talk like this? Is this violating parole for anybody? No.
What are you a felon for? Oh, I've mentioned it on my show plenty of times, actually. I've never hit in that. What are your crimes? I want to go scientologist now? What are your crimes? What are your crimes? I went to federal prison for I did two and a half years. Well, really? Two years with good time in halfway house. I did two years for selling steroids on the internet.
Sweet. You said it was two years and it was a good time. Is that what you said? I don't know about a good time, but no, I did years with good dude. It was like being in the Twilight Zone for two years. It was the most bizarre experience, I guess, because I went to a low that's like nothing you're not going to see crazy, really crazy shit there at a low.
I guess that was just like a free for all, for all sorts of shit that I never thought would been acceptable in prison. Yeah, just like leaving the bad kids alone. Yeah, it was bad enough to where it's like you'd be walking through the yard and you'd see Pedophiles sitting at a table playing magic cards or trading comic books and they had their own bocce ball court. I was like, how did happen in prison? Do you think anyone were in Epstein's black book? Oh, I have no or was it not that high enough? I mean, we had some sick people in there.
I mean, I don't want to waste the time and screw up the show by going into the charges and stuff. No, actually I got a printout of your rap sheet right here. I'm not going to go into it either, but I was in military confinement for a while. So from what I hear, though, going to a regular jail or a prison was preferable to military confinement. I have heard that if you wanted to, you could sleep or you could smoke or you could just do your own thing.
And in the military do like every five minutes was scheduled and you had to be like standing on a line and you were like, cleaning all the time. Okay, we detracted. Here we go. We're going to do a score of one to ten on a bunch of these different topics and just try to go quick. If you're on the fence and you want to explain it more, just throw it a five and we'll get into it.
All right, cool. Did Alastair Crowley talk to aliens and or demons? Ten. Okay, so you're convinced that he definitely did. We're going to get into that. Well, maybe I should say that a five because it's like a yes, but okay. All right. I'm already screwing up. Sorry. Did we bury Osama bin Laden at sea in May 2011? One. The law of attraction is an actual law and not just self help.
Silliness. Give that like a seven. Did the Knights Templars kiss Cat buttholes? Have you heard that before? If they did, I'm very interested in hearing about that. We'll talk about it. How correct do you think that mean? I don't think so, but nothing would surprise world all the World's Fair buildings were here already and we destroyed them. I would give that like a six or a seven. Six.
Okay, we're definitely going to that. Could a normal person buy a book off Amazon and then summon demons that weekend and actually do mean I'll give that a five. Sorry, I thought too long. All right. Could we have cars that run on water, but the government just won't let us have them? I think so, actually. Yeah. Okay. I think we might have actually had those already. Epstein hung himself.
One. Your phone is recording everything you say, even when it's off. I'd say that's probably like an eight or a nine. Celebrity clones are real. I'm sure there has to be at least one out there. More than one. Yeah, I'm sure there's do we ever land on the moon? I don't think so. One. Okay, so that's the end of the one through tens, but I want to get into that one immediately.
Okay. Flat earth. Hollow earth. Round Earth. Do you care? Do you have a stand? I mean, in my opinion, I do think that we're probably almost like a projection onto something flat. But besides that, for me, I don't think my opinion, I don't think anything out there is actually real. So do you think if you were to take a plane from here and could you circumnavigate the globe and would that be because it's a sphere? How would that work if you were to circumnavigate it? Or do you think that you can't circumnavigate it? Well, I think if we were allowed to fly anywhere the fuck we wanted, I'm sure then we might be able to go from one end to the next because it's the do you believe that there's like an Arctic wall and there's something beyond the Arctic wall? I have wondered that, but also my opinion, the flat Earth.
But see, this is even another thing and even another reason why I even question what we even see out there. The flat Earth model even looks a lot like the inside of your eyeball. And I did just spend like three episodes talking about occult seismalism in your eyeball. That's an awesome kind of like in my opinion, I do think the moon is not even real in a sense.
I think it's like a reflecting kind of thing. It could be like the lens inside of her eye in a sense. Do you believe in the localized sun or whatever they call it, where the sun is within the firmament? I think what we're seeing out there is literally just being projected out of mean so that know, eliminates any chance of us going out into this. Just NASA is paid to be just a psyop program.
That's where all their funding essentially goes. I mean, going by what Elon Musk is doing right now, I think he's just like showing an occult idea over and over and over again. He's boasting. He's like or showing what's going on in the Times right now. I think all that rocket ship shit is all occult symbolism. Jack Parsons was in the Oto. That guy loved. I mean, he's got shit with space rockets.
He admits he doesn't hide. He was in the Golden Dawn. Kubrick had anything to do with was if they used somebody that was already making movies and was well known, it wasn't just like, I know Kubrick was working for the government, but if they were to use somebody, I would suspect they would have probably maybe have used him. Because I do think wasn't he even, like, the first movie person to even give the film look of space? Technically, kind of, yeah.
So if you believe in predictive programming, then he's the one that got to tell you, here's what space looks like. So then they show you, okay, here's what space looks like, and it fits what you were expecting. I'm curious. Would that make him a good guy or a bad guy in your eyes or neutral if it came out? And I was like, yeah, Stanley Kubrick. We found evidence 100% he helped NASA fake the moon landings.
He didn't help he helped a lie to project to humanity. I mean, that's even, like, the sighted kind of thing. And I know this is getting really far off, but I could easily put it this way. Maybe you'll understand. Some people like to think that some people in World War II may not have really have been the bad guy. And I'll even give credence to that, that maybe some of the stuff like that was no different than COVID with propaganda.
But if you are complicit with playing that character still because you are part of the play, you are just as guilty as the bad guy. It's just like wrestling. It's scripted. If you're involved in the script, you're both the know, don't get mad at me since you're a New York patriot, and I'm just kidding because I know that you already mentioned that name, but I actually believe that if anyone is that angry at the Germans of World War II, we're not going to say the name.
It'll just be less work for me. Editing YouTube. Say anything you want, but it's just going to be more work for me. But yeah. So a lot of people villainize the Germans in World War II, rightfully so, because the agenda and the whole thing horrible, right? But if you really cared that much, you'd also know that all of that mentality came directly from America. Like, we outsourced it to Germany, and all they did was industrialized.
Just they turned it into a factory process, whereas in the US, it was a capitalistic process. We were like, hey, come do this thing so that you won't have kids anymore, and we'll give you these government benefits. Or we'll give you actual money. I'll cut you a check right now if you tie a knot in your dick right now. And that was kind of how they did it.
And they would do IQ tests and stuff, but it was kind of like little optian, a little bit like, hey, maybe you won't eat this month unless you do this thing. So it became like a really horrible decision again, sort of like a pandemic might be, but the Germans were just like, oh, no, we're just going to institute this at the state level and just turn this thing into like, a factory job.
And by doing that, they showed the whole world like, oh, if you do this at scale, it's just as bad as it sounds on paper. And then everyone kind of reeled back. But I mean, they all came, even the worst of the Germans. We were like, hey, come back over here. We want to read your notes, right? Like, be our study buddies. I had somebody in my chat on the live recently.
I don't even know what I was talking about that brought it up, but they had just said almost like the same thing as you came from here, bounced, took it over there, and then they almost kind of just even perfected it and then sent it back over here kind of recently, in a sense, even look at the fact of getting antifa. You know what I'm saying? I think that was actually an idea that was kind of sold to them perfected over there, and now we got these idiots coming over here, know, or popping up over here.
Now it's like, what the fuck? Well, you want a side of Starbucks? Is that what you're saying? Yeah, actually. Chase bank banquet. Dunkin donuts. It's cheaper too. Paying $8 for a fucking coffee. I'll pay five. First you said ten, and then you said five. Alastair Crowley talked to aliens or demons. So this is a reference to Lamb, but I just want to know either or do you think Alistair Crowley talked to some kind of a supernatural entity for real? And it wasn't just him doing his Alastair Crowley thing of know I'm special? No, I do think he see that was a problem, like seeing the alien thing.
I'm just not too keen on that whole alien. Well, didn't he think it was an alien or no, he might have Lamb. I mean, he drew it. My opinion he does say things that would make it seem like that, but it's hard to tell with that dude. My opinion, though, I mean, Lamb I don't think was an alien, even though it looked like a gray, but I don't think he was really technically contacting something that was like some flesh being or something that was in a spaceship.
I think if anything, he was just contacting like and as silly as it sounds, like entities of consciousness, that's just like not like an Aggregor? Yeah, I guess. Or maybe like something like I don't want to say a god, because that's, like the wrong word for me, but he could have been definitely contacting something. I just don't think it was going to show up in a spaceship. Do you think that if he had that ability, was that like some innate ability that he just had from birth? Or do you think he taught himself that from just reading Esoteric stuff and putting himself through rituals? I think to some extent I do think from birth, I think we are actually probably more prone to magic.
We're doing magic. As we get older, we kind of start getting screwed out of it. So maybe he might have been a little bit more gifted. Or maybe it was just he was maybe very into it and just studied and studied and practiced a lot. But I think he was gifted enough to where I think at some point, especially with Anoki and magic, this is just my opinion I think you can start almost running a GPS to where you want to kind of shoot for when you start having magical experiences.
And I think he was doing that. You mean, like as crazy as it sounds, maybe sending yourself farther back to source. And I think that could start getting darker and deeper in some ways. Is that the same as astral projection? I would consider actual projection probably like kids play compared to what he was doing. Really? Okay. I would consider astral projection, like, I mean, I guess you consider that mythic with a K, but I would consider magic with A-K-A little bit more beyond that to where it's like you're not even here anymore.
You're actually like your spirits, like somewhere else. You might have jumped lines and gone to different times or different places or something. I used to joke around that magic with a K meant that someone had to get off because usually it was related to Crowley. But I have found a book in the 1640s or something that had magic with a K in it. So it might not belong to Crowley specifically.
Oh, neither does the unicrystal. Hexagram he got that from somebody else too. Are you saying that he was just ripping people off left and right and that these old occultists were just repeating information and making it sound like they're the ones that found it? That's probably where Elon Musk got his playbook from. I was asking you before about Rosicrucians just because you've said a couple things now that reminded me a lot of Rosicrucianism.
One of them is that I don't know if I heard it as magic, but that when you go to sleep or when you actually project or when you meditate or whenever you have an out of body experience like an NDE. Really what's happening is that you've got this silver cord. I don't know if you've heard of the silver cord, but the silver cord connects it to you. So it's like your soul is connected to your body through this cord.
But at night, or when you die or in other certain instances, the cord actually can be severed. And in those cases, your spirit, whatever you want to call it, kind of hovers, like above your body. And then if you wake up or something, it's supposed to go back into your body really quick. But there's things that can happen where that doesn't happen. And then this is like, maybe where the concept of ghosts and everything came from.
But this just reminded me of that aspect, because the idea is that you kind of come from, like above the I'm going to simplify things, but you come from above the firmament. Like, there's just like amorphous, Blob soul. And as it drops down to the Earth, it becomes more and more dense. And as it becomes more dense, it gets covered in matter, almost like putting a bunch of gloves on or putting, like, a bunch of condoms on.
Right. And by the time you get down to the actual planet and you're born, it's like you've got 20 gloves on your hand so you can still feel you still have a hand. And if you were to smash it, you'd kind of feel it moving around a little bit, but you don't have the same sense of feeling as you would then if you had no gloves on and you were just touching your hand like normal.
And this also represents some of children are more magical than adults. It's because they are the closest to that original form of spirit. And then as you get older, it's almost like it calcifies around you and you get resistant to it. It's like the movie the. If all the Peter Pan's kids, if they just keep believing in tinkerbell and fairies and magic, then you never grow up. And if you do, it starts leaving you and you can't fly anymore.
That's really good. Yeah, it is like that. But apparently they're really strict there too. Rosicrucians. It's not like the Lost Boys. I don't think you can have food fights. That's interesting. That's pretty cool that they even get into that. There's a there's another book that was influenced by Rosicrucians Manly. Palmer hall has a book called The Occult Anatomy of man. And you mentioned something before we started recording.
You were talking about the seven seals and how you can break down the entire logic of the seven seals in what was it, like ten words or less? Can you do that for us? Oh, I don't know about that. No, I was just kidding about that. No, but he makes a statement in occult anatomy, and it blew my mind. I never heard this before, and now it's like one of my favorite things.
But he describes the seven seals as if you could read the entire Bible, as it were, historical and you read everything as though they mapped to geographical places and times and dates and people. And you could do it in a way that you actually understood it and it made sense. That's one seal. And now if you can read the Bible again, but now you're reading it as like an anatomy manual and every single person represents like an organ and every event represents a biological process.
Well, now you've got two seals. So he was, I guess, hinting that seven seals really means being able to read any occult text, take the Book of Law, anything, and being able to read it in seven different contexts. And then by the Hermetic principle, as above, so below and through analogy, that a person that truly understands the Bible, for example, could read it in any of those different contexts and still be able to explain to someone else in another context.
I had never heard that before. Are there other explanations of the seven seals that you think are interesting or valid? It's such an abstract concept, right? Or is there like an agreed upon thing like no, it was an actual wax seal, I do think was when we were going to cover it on the occult rejects, I was heavily going to focus on Tarot and kabbalah. But again, Tarot does the way I look at Tarot, I do use it Kabbalistically on the tree, the way they fall on the tree.
So, I mean, that's kind of why I was using that was more of pictorial to an art. But it's almost very much like what you were saying. I do think even in the Tree of Life, with the spheres or the paths, I do think you can start seeing seven things needing to change in order to get to a magical experience, or being able to break out of those seven handcuffs to have a magical experience.
And even when it comes down to even magic, my opinion part of it will be like lowering your vibration down to the Earth's vibration. And that is like a seven Schumann resonance or something. Yeah. Isn't that like a seven point something? So I'm like even there, you're even getting the seven again with tapping into the Earth's vibration. Interesting. I think the seven seals is there's a lot of thing like you were saying, I think there's a lot of things that need to happen to start even cracking one and getting all the way through.
Do you think David Koresh was anywhere near the seven seals? I have wondered if David Quresh might have actually understood magic. Do you think magic is compatible with Christianity? Do you think there could be Christians out there that are legit? Yeah. Have you met? Well, no, personally met? No. But people that I've seen in the media, to me that claim to be I don't think they are. I mean, put it this way, I guess because of me possibly being a Christian or catholic Christian for most of my life when I was religious.
So that's like half of it, really. Not much, but it was enough. How much of it when you were thinking for yourself? Probably none. No. But I went normally just to go because of the family or whatever, but it was something I grew up around, especially as a child. So I don't know if that's why I went back to it. But to be wholly honest with you, I have even said myself on my own show that I do promote actually understanding the Bible, because I think it's as cult as shit.
Agreed. Yeah. Especially Revelation. So in my opinion, that is such an easy thing to just claim and use as occultism because you already understand that flair if you understand what I'm getting at. I do think why some people will call themselves some people will say that they're Jewish, but I really think they're Kabbalists. But it's just like, I can identify with Kabbalah in Hebrew, then I'll just claim Jew or whatever.
But, like, Kanye West. Perfect example. I think he's a magician. I think he's an occultist, and he just gravitates to the Christian look and the Christian shit. It's all just little flares of occultism or a different aspect in an experience in occultism that they just like maybe that experience hit them more. Maybe aesthetically it looks better. It's a little bit more conservative, and I think that they just run with that and use that, but it means something very much different.
I even think you're getting that a lot with politicians when they're like, oh, I want to thank Jesus. They claim that these conservatives are these hard Christians and Catholics. No, you're just an occultist and you just pick that religion to talk shit. I know you're not talking about my trump. I didn't even actually think it. Where are you at now? On mean, I'm gonna put my preconceived notions on the table here.
Because if you believe in magic and demons and it feels like you have to believe in spirit, and if you have to believe in spirit, then you kind of have to believe in maybe a demonic or evil side of that spirit. So how far away are we from God and devil at that point? No, I do religion. It's great that it's hard to explain three words or less.
Too many rules. No, too many rules. That's actually great, man. Maybe you do great with the three words or less stipulation. Too many rules. If people were allowed to explore that book and not be told how to practice it, I think it would be a lot better. Do you listen to hip hop? Not really. Not anymore. Did you in the there? There was highly recommend this album. Not a lot of people take it seriously, but Sticky Fingers came out with a solo album, and I think it was called The Trial of Kirk Jones or something.
But he has a song on that album where he's talking to God. I think it's called Talk to God. And he's like praying to God or something. It's a little annoying. It's not the best musically, but he asks this question or God response, and he says this thing, and I have never been able to shake it since I heard it, but he's saying, like, paraphrasing, do you really think that I could create laws that could be broken? And that always really resonated with me, and I always wonder that.
So I want to just ask you that and give credit to Sticky Fingers, of all people in onyx. But he posed that question and it's still been an absolute mindfuck to me for multiple decades. So do you think that God could create rules that could even be broken? No, not really. No, I don't think so. So does that mean that any rules that could be broken are all just human made? Yes, that's what I was thinking.
I agree. Are you just saying that because you want to do you just want to be a criminal and get away with it? No, I didn't want to drag on an answer. And then you start hitting me with three words or less. But no experience with magic? Yes, from my experience with magic, I think there is a lot of rules and laws that are put onto us that is a problem, and that's actually what stops us from ever having these experiences, is that you need to actually break them.
And in my opinion, then, I don't know, I just don't think God would I think you're right with that. Do you think you could sit down and teach someone magic and they would actually walk away knowing how to produce magic? Or do you think that someone has to figure it out for themselves? Is it like doing like an ollie on a skateboard? Or is there an analogy that you could even paint to it? I mean, I could give people what I did to get to that point with certain practices, with meditations and breathing work and stuff like that.
But to a certain extent, it's really going to have to be within the person, too. The whole shadow work even comes with that as well. So, again, I'm a bumpkin when it comes to the magic stuff, so I come from Harry Potter magic. All right. So I imagine oto you get to the high levels and they're like blasting fireballs out of wands or something. I don't know. Yeah, exactly.
Street Fighter is there anything at all what is the closest thing to that that you think might be valid in that? I'll give you an example as one, is that there's a concept that someone like these Buddhist monks can go out into the snow and just melt the snow all around them and raise their body temperature to levels that clearly they've got control over what's normally like an automatic system in your body, right? So maybe I'll consider that as, like a physical.
Like, if someone did that in front of me, I'd be like, okay, that's magic, you know what mean? Like, you're breast now out of me. Is there anything like that that you think that you could have seen or learned or attained to in the Oto or other sort of Western esotericism? Tell you the truth, most of the stuff at the lodge was very just, like, almost cookie cutter.
There was, like, maybe one or two things in my experience in the Oto where I might have actually felt something, but a lot of it, they'll even tell you there the magic all happens on your own at home. My own experience is like what you had said about somebody melting snow. I actually think that would probably happen after they've had magical experience because I think you will actually kind of put off a lot of heat and energy after the fact.
From my experience, one of the things that I did that did also very much convinced me that magic was real. But I couldn't I mean, I guess I could explain and try to tell you what I did. Please. No, I'm just saying blowing out the candle. Haven't I told you about that before? Maybe I haven't. Blowing out a candle, just like the thought. Okay, yeah, I think I remember you told me about this one.
Yeah. So, I mean, that proved, like, that right? There was, like, something that shook me to my core because consistently or did it just happen like the one time and that shook you? Well, no. Well, it happened, like, three fucking almost three. I started noticing the light flickering, and then it happened again. And then I tried to do it, and then it did flicker, and then I finally put it out and I said, that's enough.
And you were solo here? I was inside my house, inside my living room, sitting in a chair with my you'd have, like, an Oto person hiding behind the couch with the canned air. I wish. Because that did freak me the fuck out, honestly. I'll be totally honest. That wasn't, like, a cool thing at the time because that really proved to me I just literally changed physical reality. Why would that be scary, though? Because according to everything that I have grown up believing, that shouldn't happen.
That just told me everything I've been told is a lie. That's hard to swallow, my man. Well, maybe, but I mean, if you're also fairly receptive to, say, like, flat Earth or a projected Earth, it doesn't sound that much crazier than magic is real. Well, I thought I didn't believe that until after magic. Okay, so was that like a floodgates opening moment? Yes, for sure. What other things did you not believe before that and then started to believe after that? Like, anything, like, super outlandish that if you went back in time and you could talk to yourself pre candle and be like, yo, this shit's real.
What part would old you be like, Bro, come on, man, you're being extra. Believe it or not. That's a good question. Maybe I do believe there might be a reason for all these things. But I have looked back and just thought that some of the stuff like overdoing all the stones, the herbs, the this and that and making sure I have all these stones match Mars or it matches this god, it matches this sphere.
Doing all that stuff I look back at and just think it was kind of pretty much, in the long run, probably a waste of money and was just a lot of woo woo silly shit. You have to correct me because I'm just talking from what I understand. But like the special stones and the herbs, usually that's when you're trying to make a talisman or bring some kind of like an energy from the planets based on the constellations above you.
So you try to match what's above so below and then that gives you a better chance, right? It's like buying 20 lottery tickets instead of buying one lottery ticket when you're doing something. But it doesn't necessarily mean you've got better chances. Overall, I could say I think my idea of magic changed hugely or my idea of understanding magic after the fact. I guess my idea of what white magic or black magic or all that stuff is that I think changed.
Because looking back at my magical experience, this actually was perfect example. We're talking about candles and maybe I'll make a candle for this to happen or for that to happen. Me looking at actually myself even doing any of that, I found silliest shit. Because it's just like, in my opinion, that actually is black magic. In my opinion, me doing anything to actually try to change this reality at all without changing me first is black magic really me just being in existence? In my honest opinion, is black magic.
Just you or everybody? US existing is black magic because all we do here is take everybody else away from their will. You know what I'm saying? This sounds very kabbalistic. What's? The book by the three people, the Cabalion, the Kybelion, they mentioned something similar to this, that all life is is constantly screwing up. And then once you get it perfect, you almost get sucked back into the hole.
But then if you don't get it perfect, you have to keep reliving it over and over again. And the ideal is that everyone lives a perfect life and they all get sucked back into the hole and then we're all just like a big perfect ball of goo at some point, I guess I don't like astral goo, but it sounds very much like that. It even goes back even to even stuff.
When I started covering the Eyeball series, unfortunately, that even solidified my idea even more about that because I do think the white magic and the black magic, in my opinion, when you have a magical effect, you're going to have one eye open and one eye pinned going in, your pupil is going to be smaller. So it's going to look like you have more white of the eye showing you're going into yourself, having a magical experience.
And then when you shoot back out into this fucking shithole of an experience that is black magic because now your pupil is bigger, would it have any effect on you if you were blind? Like, on how magical you could be? You know, I've wondered about that. I've seriously wondered about that. I've wondered if that makes it easier for them. Because if you didn't have eyes at all yeah, in my opinion, I think you're shutting off your eyes too.
You're going to stop to tears. You're going to pretty much choke your eye out of oxygen. And then you'll go from the Ocuous humor into the vitrous humor, and you'll be like, Jesus, turning water into wine. And then you'll head to the optic nerve, like they tell you in the Minerval degree, the God name is on, because I was supposed to go to the optic nerve, and they just dragged me somewhere else.
Okay? That was the initiation ritual. That was the programming part. That was the trauma that they usually implant some other lesson during that little motion there. No, but I do think even when it comes down to white magic and black magic, I even do think that that is even pertaining to your eyeballs. But even my whole idea of where I was saying what magic was after that experience, honestly, me thinking like, what I was doing, I thought was kind of rather silly to an extent.
Or I was just even like, wow, I thought that's what magic was. And it's like nothing that I would have ever expected. Is that the farthest that you ever went personally was the candles? Well, I would probably say where I've done in meditation was probably a little bit more that was a little bit more serious. I would think that actually probably was a little bit like I did say the flame did throw me off.
But in my honest opinion, when you come back from a magical experience, unless you're very extremely balanced, which I do think comes from the shadow work, you're going to go through some mental growing pains after the fact. Because even you might even have to start questioning, all right, if I even believe what just happened, that's going to cancel out a lot of science that I've been told my whole life.
And that's hard for me. It was hard because I was like, fuck, I already been lied to about religion. I was already lied to about the Oto. And now I'm finding out it was probably lied to about fucking everything. Are there any people within the Oto, do you think that could do that kind of stuff on command as like party trick? Or is it one of those things like you're not allowed to do it in front of other people or if you do it under they would never do that unless you're at maybe you got high up and then you were like, screw this, too many rules, I'm going to go do my own thing.
Hey, check this out. At a bar, like you're drunk at a bar, check this out. I guess that's another assumption is that I figure in the Oto you can be like drunk and stoned and still do magic or is it very strict about that? I know people have gotten kicked out for showing up drunk. Well, told to leave the Oto. In my time there they had put out a know, I guess lodge wide, everybody got like they have put out things about them know, heroin is not accepted.
Wasn't wasn't Crowley like all about heroin and mescaline when he came up with most of that? Yeah, it's probably why they mentioned that everybody else, oh, I want to be like Crowley, I'm going to shoot up have I'm not trying to stick up for them, but they have actually put out things like making it known that drugs and coming here screwed up and drunk is not going to be tolerated.
So you heard that New York Patriot, the apologist for the Oto official apologist. Were you in the chat when I said because I said I thought that Sound of Freedom movie was just a money grab. All I said was a Mormon money grab and I became a sympathizer. Oh, let's talk about that one because I didn't know that I was with a pedophile sympathizer on this show. So now I'm going to go ahead and have everyone unfollow you.
We're going to attack your chat. Tell me what you really thought about Sound of Freedom. It was a money grab. Really? Listen, I'm going to be totally honest with you. I could really give two shits about the movie or anything about it, but when I see people talking about it, I was like, oh, let me just look into it. And within like five minutes I found out the guy was a Knights Templar.
I found out the guy is that a bad thing? Well, when you're a Mormon in the Knights Templar and you're trying to put out a movie about sex trafficking, you don't mention anything about just all of that together to me screams, I'm just trying to make money. Well, I think they purposefully based the actual bad parts outside of the US. Even though they clearly could have shot the entire movie taking place in any city.
Right. But they purposefully bring it out to Columbia. You put it this way. I mean, I think the Trump Tards and the Qtards have already been mind fucked into certain believing certain shit. Those are our sponsors. Thank you very much. Probably, yeah. So why would you not put out a movie, you know, is going know, appeal to them and give them some false hope? This is what I think is insane to me, and I'm not trying to be an asshole or sound nasty.
I don't think you're going to care. I'm not saying it to you, but I don't understand with the conspiracy community. Just because I know something exists does not mean it's stopping. Because my neighbor might now admit, oh yeah, sex trafficking. Yeah, it's real and it's still going on. Because, you know, doesn't mean it stopped. People think that just because you read a meme on Instagram and you know something? Now these bad guys have to stop doing it.
No, we don't even know who the fuck they are, so they don't have to stop. My favorite one is like, no, we're starting the conversation. We're starting a conversation. This shit is stupid. Just because this guy put out a movie, you think all of a sudden the Rocks childs are going to stop doing what they do? Fuck out of here. Come on, man, grow the fuck up. The right is becoming just as childish and idiotic as the left.
Do you think the Rothschilds still have their fingers in all this? They got enough money. The reason we even know who the Rothschilds are is because Ezra Pound, who was an occultist and a socialist, was a whistleblower at one point and started bringing their name up as a conspiracy. That's the only reason we have that name, is because a magician who is associated with a doctor in MKUltra told us the Rothschilds are doing whatever.
What doctor is that in MKUltra? I'll look him up. Right? Oh, I mean put you on the spot. Was that like you and Cameron? Was it? No, Sydney gottlieb no, it was actually somebody it was that he was at St. Elizabeth's Hospital. This doctor too, I got to find his name, I'm going to pull it up. He even got Ezra Pound off of Treason because he was insane.
Was this jolly west? No. MKUltra folder. Winfred Overholser. That's a new name for me. I gotta say, anyone that has an MKUltra research folder on their computer is a friend of mine. Oh, yeah, I'm actually covering. I'm doing like a four part series with thresh quick plug for anyone watching this. Is the Paranoid American MKUltra pamphlet available@mkultracomic. com? You can get your copy today for $5 or if it's in the future.
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Yeah, we got it all. If it has anything to do with homunculus, that's in this book. 100% also available@paranormica. com. Thank you. What a great segue about the MKUltra. So let's talk about kissing cat anus really quick. Have you never heard the charge that the Knights Templar, one of their rituals, was kissing the anus of a cat, a live cat? It really is. That was one of the charges, and apparently it was a fairly common charge that you would leverage against witches and warlocks of, like, the Middle Ages, is that they kissed cat butts.
I personally don't know why that particular theme caught on, but I've heard some really interesting theories about it and I'm surprised is one of my favorite ones is have you ever heard of Toxoplasmosis or the South Park episode where everyone's like, licking cat butts? Have you ever watched a bunch of South Park I did watch South Park and either I don't remember that. So there's an episode of South Park where there's like a sick cat and people that sniff its farts or lick its butt, something, they start tripping out.
It's like a know, hit of LSD or something, and they start passing the cat around and then it turns into like an anti drug ad where it's like, kids don't do the cat don't sniff cat butts or something, and it turns into a joke. But this was based on an actual phenomenon called Toxoplasmosis, and there are certain types of felines that in their fecal matter. It's toxic to humans and it can actually cause hallucinations and basically like an NDE, right? Or an astral projection or some sort of out of body psychedelic experience.
So some of theories were like they were doing it because they were sicko satanists. And of course they're sniffing cat butts because what else do weirdo Oto people do? They sniff cat butts. But then the other part that I really like is that maybe they just found a way to get stoned and talk to God directly. And that became part of this ritual where it's like, hey, take a hit.
Take a drag off this cat butt. Guarding it. I wouldn't put that past people. What you're saying right there, I would not put that past people either. Licking the toads right there's. People that lick toads to do the same thing. That's what I'm saying. I would not put that past yeah. If that has any validity to it, put that past humans. If someone told you that you could get higher than you've ever been in your life if you just lick this cat's butthole real quick, would you do it? No.
You know, honestly, fucking with magic is probably the highest I've ever been in my life. Really? Could you make it comparable to any other experience? MDMA? Like fucking candy flipping? No. Probably like I don't know, just be like, 100 times more intense than any feeling you've ever had. Like positive. Is there a hangover? Yeah. For yeah. That's why I do think if you fuck with it too often too much, you start acting like Kanye West or Joe Biden.
How many of high level ranking politicians and celebrities and stuff do you think are just doing magic all the time? All the time? I don't know. Okay, let me reset. Live a magical lifestyle. I think most of them actually understand it just depends on do it. Yeah, I think there's probably more than half, especially in politics and music and shit like that. What do you think about the whole Marina Abramovich and Spear cooking stuff with the podestas and all that? She's out there.
She's actually I really don't want to say the name of the cult, but I'm going to be covering cult eventually. Valley of the dawn. Valley of the dawn. I never heard of that before. It's a UFO cult. That in my opinion and the reason why I'm even going to well, there's multiple reasons, but one of the reasons why is because it's another oh, UFO aliens. Do you think they'd sponsor this show value? In my opinion, I do think I can show that that is the Astrom Argentum behind it.
The what? Astrom Argentum. Can you say that in American for me? Argentum Astrom. That was Pig Latin. I know my Pig Latin, sir, but that is don't again, I don't believe he came up with it. I think it existed prior, but that was another Crowley order. But it really is the Oto and the Golden Dawn mixed together. That is like the Valley of the dawn is no, the Astromargentum is like if you want to be serious and that's like a serious secret society because you're wearing hoods that actually cover your face.
I got a Sarke. I have one. I should have kept it next to the desks because I how do you know about this? Were you in the Astromargentum too? No. If you're in the Oto, you're going to know what the Astromargentum is because it's know. And a lot of people who were really serious started going into that and I hadn't even thought about it myself to the point to where I went out and bought a robe thinking I was going to get into it and I never did.
Where do you go to get a secret society robe? Is there like a special thing? It's like when you get into these things and this is very interesting too. It's like you start meeting all these people that happen to might have this Etsy shop or this little Facebook thing and they all sell and know you get a lot of people that actually are within it that are providing shit too.
I feel like they would probably also do a lot of cosplay costumes on Etsy. Are you here to join a secret society or dress up like someone from Fortnite, like, click on this button or this button. Well, you know, cosplay works great for Doc Darling. Well, honestly, this is one of the questions that I've heard someone else ask, and I'm stealing it because I love it. But how much of magic and Oto, like, let's say, today, how much of that do you think is just LARPing versus how much of it is legit? Most of it.
Most of it's just LARPing. Just people just having fun. Well, when I say the word ignorant, I'm normally not really using it in a negative sense. I'm just using it in the way it's meant. They don't know. I think you have a lot of ignorant people in those things. And the woo woo is like the magic when it's not. And I think they get stuck in that when I made that joke before.
I'm not knocking her knowledge. It's just I think she knows how to sell herself. You better not. She might be a future sponsor of this show. You know what's funny? She has dealt with more shit from the Oto than I have and she wasn't even a member. We're talking about marina. Oh, no. When I said something about dot, darling, which one's hotter? Well, wasn't a serious question. I'm like, I really don't think either one of them are, but, I mean, I would say Don Darling because I don't think fuck Mary KILM, but I'm Blavatsky Hillary.
No, I'm just kidding. She's got, like, cigarettes hanging out of her mouth. Old blovatsky, too. We're not talking about, like, young Blavatsky. Yeah, she stopped shaving and everything. Probably got hairs growing off with the fucking cigar hanging out of her mouth, talking kabbalistic shit. If Crowley was a contemporary, would you chill with them? Would you invite him to a party? Or do you think that you would just want to read his books and not be anywhere near him? He was alive today.
I would talk to him if he gave me the chance. Yeah? Would you go on, like, climb mountain with him? No. Leave your ass behind. I don't trust the guy. You'd probably get an STD just by being in the same room with him, I assume. Right. And that because of, like I'm a fan of the guy. I mean, if I was given a chance to talk to again, another German German name that I shall not mention, I would talk to him, too, just because I want to know what the fuck's going on inside these people's heads.
Do you think either of those people are, like, evil? Just put it that way. You know what I'm saying? Do you think any of them or anyone else is, like, evil and went to hell? You can unpack that a little bit. So it doesn't have to be as simple as I stated it. But do you think a bad person does bad things? They go to hell to get punished for eternity.
Or for a longer period than a normal person would, my opinion. I think you just get recycled back into the game regardless. Like, no matter what you did, you just pop. Yeah. I even think there's probably a good chance, regardless of what you do, good or bad, you're just going to get recycled anyway. But I think if you kind of live the screwed up life by definitely coming back and having to get something right.
All right, we're getting close to 90 minutes. I got two other questions that I want to ask, specific to, I guess, being an occult reject. If there's someone that's in the Oto listening now, right, and they're on the fence and they're like, man, I want to get to that next level, level five, but they haven't invited me, and I've got my robe picked out. But also, I think this might be kind of bullshit.
What would be the thing that you would tell them to push them off the fence and just give it up and have their name taken off the list? There's no reason to go there, in my opinion. It's good to have those places to learn from other people. But in my opinion, the Oto is not the image of what magic and and I don't know if it's done on purpose or not, but I think their advertising is almost or their look is almost like we're showing you what the handcuffs are that you need to remove to have a magical experience.
And I think most people look at it the complete opposite. Leave the Oto, do some serious, serious, serious inventory on yourself. Learn to meditate as much as that sucks. Start learning breath work. Start practicing to be able to see colors in your eyes and go on from there. But you do not need that place, in my opinion, because the magic is going to happen from you. You have to change yourself to have a magical experience.
That's not my opinion. It's not a good place for that. Just leave and work on yourself. The magic happens with you, not them. And do you think that there's more powerful magic? That if 20 people in the Oto came together and they're all doing the same rituals or spells or whatever, does that make it just more powerful? Yeah. I mean, regardless, even if it's not the same magic that I'm talking about and more of just putting out like a mean, you're going to have more people doing the same thing.
But even if you had people who understood magic and maybe you just had a magical experience and might have energy that they can start using to start manipulating and doing things with, I think if you get 20 people like that together, it's going to be serious. Or it's more serious than one for sure if they're all on the same page. I love talking magic with you because you talk about it in such, like a.
Matter of fact way. And it's interesting, it's so rare to have the juxtaposition of someone that believes in magic but also doesn't like the woo woo of magic because almost everyone that likes magic, it's the woo woo that they like about it. You know what I mean? It's like all the fun crystals and all of the fun little dances you get to do, see real quick. That was even one of the reasons why I ended up going with the Oto, because even when I wanted to get into this stuff, as soon as I came across Wicca and witchcraft, I was like, that shit is too woo woo for me.
And there's probably like if you want to talk about like magic versus witchcraft or witches versus magicians, it's probably like 80, 2070, the witchcraft is much more prevalent. Well, hold on. Is magic and witchcraft different? No, but I do think not to be an ass, I do think that witches are probably under the idea of what magic is. They have much more of a larger false idea. Like if I took people from the Oto and then I went to some witch covenant, maybe there's like 10% inside my lodge that actually probably knows what magic is in the witch covenant.
It's probably fucking two or three and they're the ones running it. Is that because of the nature, magic is bullshit? Well, I think Gerald Gardner again, who was a member of the Oto and he basically started Wiccans, right? Yeah, sorry. Crowley was like a teacher to him and Crowley even gave him permission to open up his own lodge. He was going to open up his own Oto lodge.
And then, you know what he probably realized? I probably can't sell this that good and make that much money off of it because Crowley's already got his hands in it. So I'm going to have to start my own bullshit to bullshit people with and to make money off. So like, he was just like a nature in that process. People who understand magic will see your shit, go through it and see what you're really saying and be, Ah, he's got it too.
Which is what I think a lot of symbolism we're even seeing and famous people are doing is just like call signs to brag. Okay, so like a different flavor. It's like, I want the birkenstock version of Oto. So then you go and join like a wicked coven. Is there any group out there that you would still like to join? You mentioned the one that you had to be on like a waiting list for 20 years or something.
Are you still interested in joining anyone like that? I think somebody else was bringing that up when we were talking. The only other thing that you know, and I'm not really big on suggesting things, josephine McCarthy, I think that's her name, she has like the Quarrya series. It's completely free. Every PDF is up there for free. And they will probably even tell you if you look on the site, I think it will even say if you're actually going to do this, expect it to take 17 to 20 years and it's all free.
And you do it by yourself at home and it's very much on you, just reading yourself and your own personal experiences and figuring it out. Hers I can get by. And I've even repeatedly said, I wish sometimes I stayed with that because when I was in the Oto, I was actually very interested in that, started practicing that, and I do believe her stuff actually helped me get a lot farther.
But then I was just like, the pentagram ritual and the Hexagram ritual, if you get into that stuff, is completely different than what I was used to. And I was like, I'm not about to start learning another version of a ritual that I already spent a year memorizing to do with my high school, you know what I'm saying? So I was like, this is too much, and I just stuck with the Oto.
But there was times when I did wish, like, maybe if I did this, I would have continued a little bit longer and got a better experience and maybe had a better outlook on magic in a sense too. Well, I would also like to continue this and do a little bit longer and figure out some more from you. I'll have you on again 100% to talk about some more of this stuff.
I think it's fascinating topic. Would you ever be open to summing a demon on a live podcast or is that out of the question? If you wanted, I would be willing to do a ritual, but like a banishing one, I wouldn't invoke anything. Let's talk about that. Man. I would love to do some kind of like I haven't in a while, but I could easily push the chair out and do it.
And the reason why I would do it is so people know I'm not bullshitting. Hell yeah, let's definitely do that, man. That would be so cool. I have no problem. I'll even put on the Astro Magentum hood and robe and everything. Dude. Okay. All right. I don't know if I threw them out, I might have thrown them out. I don't think I have a wand anymore, but I think I've got like mullet wig.
That's like the closest thing I got to a robe. But yeah, maybe I can look at something. Man, you'll have to send me your Etsy shop or whoever your Etsy dealer is for your secret society robe links in the comments that came from fucking Spain. My man kid who was in the Astro Magentum was making them and sent it from Spain. I had to pay $50 for shipping on that shit.
The tag said like, made in China instead of Spain on the box, but China on the tag. Yeah, I'll tell you one thing, it was rather expensive, but it has weight to it. Like when I pulled it, when I got the bag, I was like, all right, at least I know this was worth the money. Do you think some of them are flexing? They show up with like mink coat, like robes and stuff? Or like the gold trim, you know what I mean? No, there's dudes, I've seen that literally looked like they just walked out of Interview with a Vampire and walked straight into the lodge.
Like they got the whole vest over the puffy and the like fucking Tom Cruise dressed up in vampire shit walking into the lodge. I was like, what the fuck is this? I mean, we were saying larps, right? A lot of people are just LARPing asriel I'm like, oh, same dude telling, oh, you shouldn't be smoking cigarettes in front of the lodge because it might go up into the fucking windows up there.
Fuck out of here. Oh, my god. Okay, I'm going to cut this off because we got to save some for next time. Yes, sorry. Tell people again where to find you and listen to your work and any other projects you got going on. Yes. I have the Nypatriot show. I have the occult rejects. And I did forget. I do co host spiritual gangsters. If you want to just hear a little bit more lighthearted stuff or personal stories, just interesting things.
Not always occult spiritual Gangsters, I do co host that with Teresa. And then I have the NY Patriot Show and the Occult Rejects. And everything is on all major podcasts. They're all on YouTube. They're all on BitChute and rumble. All right, that's going to conclude one more episode of the Paranoid American Podcast name still pending. We'll come up with a cool name because I don't like PAP. I don't like the acronym PAP.
Yeah, it's the first thing that I think too, you know what I mean? So it's going to have to be something else, but we'll figure it out. So that's again, thanks again. And what's going to be tonight's, quote, total paranoia is total consciousness. Charles Manson. Thank you. Bye. They said it was forbidden. They said it was dangerous. They were right. Introducing the paranoid American Homunculus owner's manual. Dive into the arcane, into the hidden corners of the occult.
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Inside the Shadows: Secret Societies, Magic, and Esoteric Beliefs
In a riveting revelation, the New York Patriot, a founder of Occult Rejects, recently appeared on the Paranoid American podcast to discuss his mysterious journey through the secretive world of esoteric orders, magical practices, and conspiracy theories.
1. Unraveling the Secretive Oto:
The speaker’s experience with the Order Templi Orientis (Oto) unfolded a tale of intrigue. Having once been an active participant, he later chose to exit but was met with an official expulsion letter from the order, leading to unsettling questions about the organization’s reach and intentions. The discussion further delves into clandestine practices, potential blacklists, initiation rites, and the mystique of secret handshakes.
2. Magic, A Continuous Exploration:
Drawing from his time in the Oto, the speaker articulated his intricate relationship with magic. From wearing elaborate robes during clandestine meetings to discussing banishing rituals on live podcasts, magic remains a significant part of his life. Those intrigued can find more about this on the Nypatriot, Occult Rejects, and Spiritual Gangsters shows.
3. Understanding Freemasonry and Its Cousins:
Besides the Oto, the speaker touched upon his time with Freemasonry, comparing it to organizations like the Knights of Columbus and The Golden Dawn. While emphasizing varying practices across regions and lodges, common themes include secrecy, rigorous memorization, and metaphorical initiation threats.
4. Esotericism: Beyond the Secret Orders:
Outside the realm of secret orders, the speaker explored his perspectives on magic’s nature and its potential ties to near-death experiences. This enthralling narrative bridges personal stories, such as a stint in federal prison, with influential figures in the esoteric world, including Crowley and Pike.
5. Debating Popular Theories:
The podcast ventured into contentious territories, discussing theories around military confinement, the shape of the earth, and conspiracy theories linking Stanley Kubrick to NASA. A unique rating system was introduced, gauging conviction on a scale of 1-10.
6. Deep Dives into Esoteric Beliefs:
The discussion navigated through various esoteric concepts, from astral projection and the interpretation of occult texts to the intricate symbolism of the seven seals.
7. Challenging Established Religious Norms:
Highlighting a distinct approach to spirituality, the speaker emphasized personal empowerment through magic while expressing skepticism about public figures’ religious affiliations.
8. Confronting Personal Beliefs:
The podcast episode also saw the speaker’s introspection on practices like creating talismans and questioning notions of white and black magic. A profound realization emerged: altering reality without personal transformation can be equated to black magic.
9. Conspiracy, Ignorance, and Modern Practices:
The journey wasn’t complete without addressing conspiracy communities, touching upon topics like the Rothschilds and MKUltra. The speaker’s perspective on celebrity engagement in modern magic practices, particularly referencing Abramovich’s Spirit cooking, was insightful.
10. Skepticism and Self-Guided Learning:
The podcast concluded with the speaker urging listeners to approach the world of esotericism with skepticism, favoring self-guided studies over organized groups.
In a world where mystery often shrouds the truth, such discussions serve as a beacon, providing rare glimpses into the enigmatic realms of magic and secret societies.
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➡ Paranoid American, a comic publisher and podcast host, launched in 2012, is known for delving into and unraveling world mysteries, from mind control and secret societies to forbidden technology and occult symbols. The New York Patriot, a founder of Occult Rejects, was a guest on the podcast, discussing his experience in and departure from secret societies like the Oto. The discussion contains details about the structure and customs of these organizations, revealing inner workings typically kept from the public view.
➡ The speaker recounts their experience with the Order Templi Orientis (Oto), mentioning they opted out, only to receive a letter later stating they were expelled. They discuss the secretive, potentially unsettling practices of the group and how the Oto found their new address. Despite quitting, the speaker still seems concerned about potential repercussions, such as being placed on a blacklist. Conversations also cover initiation rituals, "secret handshakes", and other nuanced practices. The speaker admits to not having advanced to the higher orders.
➡ The speaker reflects on their past experiences with magic, expressing a desire to continue learning and exploring. They anticipate another discussion about magic on a live podcast and express their willingness to perform a banishing ritual. They also describe receiving their elaborate robes from Spain for their secret society meetings, and mention how others dress at these gatherings. They promote their shows: Nypatriot, Occult Rejects, and Spiritual Gangsters, available on major podcast platforms and YouTube. The text concludes with an exciting pitch for a comic book about summoning homunculus from Paranoid American.
➡ The speaker discusses their experience with Freemasonry and The Ordo Templi Orientis (OTO), noting a various set of degrees and titles that can be attained. Comparison is made with other organizations such as the Knights of Columbus and The Golden Dawn. The speaker illustrates their preference for more rigid schools but found OTO accessible. They also mention specific lodge practices and study requirements may vary by region. Topics such as secrecy, memorization of content, and metaphorical initiation threats are also discussed.
➡ The speaker discusses his interpretation of magic and its relation to near death experiences, as well as his involvement with esoteric groups such as Freemasonry and the Oto. He also talks about the shifting foundations and dramas within these groups, particularly focusing on notable figures like Crowley and Albert Pike. Further, he mentions his stint in federal prison for selling steroids online which led him to encounter a wide range of individuals. This narrative treads between discussing esotericism and personal experiences.
➡ The discussion involves questioning various theories including military confinement, occultism, perception of earth's shape, space exploration, and conspiracy theories surrounding Stanley Kubrick and NASA. The debate revolves around a scale of conviction, 1-10, where certain statements are rated based on belief. They also discuss influences and ideologies from World War II, touching upon eugenics and subsequent impact on society. They end with discussing the cost of coffee and Alistair Crowley's connections with demons or aliens.
➡The text discusses the esoteric belief systems involving figures like Alistair Crowley, their perceived abilities to contact supernatural entities, and the speculation about these abilities being innate or learned. It also dips into discussing broader concepts like astral projection, occult text interpretations, Rosicrucian beliefs, and the symbolism of the seven seals.
➡ The speaker discusses their beliefs about religion, magic, and spirituality, highlighting that while they reject organized religion with its numerous rules, they embrace the practice of magic and experiments with altering physical reality. They suggest that this approach allows more personal empowerment and a better understanding of existence, even leading them to question established beliefs about the world they live in. They express skepticism about public figures who profess strong religious beliefs, suggesting that these people might actually be occultists using religion to hide their true practices.
➡ The speaker reflects on their experiences with practices like creating talismans, gathering special stones and herbs, and seeking energy from planetary constellations in order to understand magic. Looking back, the speaker sees these practices as somewhat trivial, and questions their earlier ideas of white and black magic. After reflecting on his experiences, the speaker concludes that any attempt to alter reality without changing oneself first constitutes black magic, and extends this idea to propose that our very existence, where we possibly infringe on the will of others, could be seen as black magic. The speaker also discusses experiences of deeper meditation and the mental challenges that followed, questioning accepted scientific truths and realizations about being lied to about things including religion and the Oto. The speaker ends by critiquing a movie about sex trafficking, suggesting it was purely a profit-making scheme.
➡ The speaker discusses conspiracy communities, ignorance, and Oto practices. Even though information about serious topics like sex trafficking is becoming more available, it does not mean these practices have stopped. He mentions a conspiracy around the Rothschilds family by Ezra Pound and MKUltra. The speaker also emphasizes his interest in mystery and magic, suggesting many celebrities and politicians engage in magical practices like Abramovich's Spirit cooking. He then debates the authenticity of these practices in the modern age, suggesting most are merely performative or "LARPing." Graphics novel about MKUltra and other related topics are also mentioned. The speaker concludes by emphasizing the importance of knowledge and understanding in these communities.
➡ The speaker expresses skepticism about the effectiveness and sincerity of the Oto (Ordo Templi Orientis), a religious organization associated with Aleister Crowley. They believe magical experiences originate from personal development and self-understanding, not from external organizations like the Oto. The speaker also contrasts magic and witchcraft, deeming witchcraft to be more misguided. They recommend self-guided studies, such as the works by Josephine McCarthy, over joining organized groups.
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He'll be right here. So what's going on? New York patriot. You're a founder of occult rejects. You've got some of the most fire content on podcast you can listen to. I love just like, the tone, the approach, the casual style, everything man. So I had to get you on because we've had some amazing talks on various topics on your show and elsewhere every time you came on. Always great talks.
So, I mean, we're going to get into it today. I want to find a little bit more out about you. We're going to put you on the hot seat, maybe a little bit. Sounds good. So you ready for this? So I want to do plugs up front and we'll do some at the end. But where can people find you? Like, where should someone go to listen to your podcast and see everything you got? I'm on all major podcasts under the NY Patriot Show or the Occult Rejects.
BitChute. Rumble. Same thing. And then I do have a YouTube channel, the Occult rejects that has both shows and everything on there. And the name Occult Rejects is based mean, my understanding is that you join some secret societies and then you decide to leave or what, do they kick you out? Like, what makes you in a cult, you know? Lux, believe it or not, he was the one who actually came up with the name, pretty much.
I love the name, man. It's a great I really didn't even like coming up with one for the NY Patriot, and I regretted the name after I made it, but it's like too late now and I'm okay with it now, but at that time I was just like, you know what, if you want to pick a name, go for it. I'm not going to pull no dick measuring contest on this because I don't even want the job of picking the name for the job, so it's all yours.
And one day he happened to he was just like spitballing, like funny ones, like Spoof that obviously we weren't going to use. And he sent something about the occult rejects. And I was like, yeah, that's actually a good idea. And he was like, you think so? I was like, yeah. He's like, actually, yeah, I do, too. So we ended up keeping it, but it fit because I guess kind of like when he left, I mean, technically we both left our orders.
If he was in one, I left, but then did get kicked out. But that was after we had already started the show. But basically it was more of like, yeah, we're kind of rejects. We didn't fit in where we know Lux also liked it because of saying that we reject the agenda that's being put on us as well. We reject the magic and the mindfuck that's being used on us.
So it was also multilayered, but I thought it was good enough to where I was like, I could see that meaning so many different things. That's a kind of a cool name, like a very broad and just like occultism, you make seven meanings out of that, you know what I'm saying? I was kind of okay with it and it was really easy and I thought it sounded cool, so that basically sums it up.
But I'm pretty sure in his idea of that name us being part of secret societies and leaving and not thinking that we really fit in was part of it. And when you say that you got kicked out after the show, was it because of the show? Or was it like you just stopped paying dues or what? I was already owing them dues to begin with. Yeah, because as soon as COVID came and they shut down, I was like, I'm not giving you money for a place I can't even go to if I wanted to.
So I wasn't paying them dues anymore. And I think I had stopped like maybe a few months prior to that. What caused it, really? I stopped paying the dues then. I had even had asked for them in the Oto. I don't know how it is in other secret societies, but if you become a member, it's like, oh, I put your name on some list forever, and you have to actually fill out a piece of paper to get it removed from that list.
So I did all that, sent it back, and then normally they send you something back. It could be two months later or whatever. Why go through that extra step? I understand stopping paying dues and saying, if you guys are closed down, I'm not going to pay anymore. But why not just ignore it and walk away? What was it? Because it almost seems like now it's like you're making a point of it.
Like, take my name out of your books, bitch. Yeah, well, I wasn't going to be a member anymore, so why would my name be in there? That's all it really was. Okay. It doesn't cost any extra money or anything to have your name taken back out? No, just cost aggravation and then been timed to fill out paperwork. So then after, uh, I got hit with copyright shit, actually I got slapped with the DMCA.
And funny thing is that there's a chick at my lodge that did that to Leo Zagami because he was going to put out a book with shit about the Oto. And if you go and look through Leo Zagami's stuff, when he talks about it, he will mention her name. I'm not going to go that far, but her name is out there and everything. She's probably the one who did it to me, which is pretty funny.
I look back at it now, I'm like, wow, same bitch did it to me. Probably because she is a lawyer in general. I got slapped with a DMCA slap because I was going over Minerval first and second degree. I went over on my own. You know you're not supposed to do that. And eventually I got to deep no, my bad. I got the DMCA slap a while prior to that.
I wasn't showing my face, really, or on other people's shows. When I even did stuff with Lux, for the most part, he never showed his face. So we never used the cameras. Because I'm going to make him look like an idiot that I can show my face. And he's scared. We have a magician who left a secret society, but he's scared to show his face. I feel stupid if people see that.
So I left mine off and eventually I just started turning it on more. And then eventually they were actually able to see who the person was behind the account. So then I got an email from the lodge, from the lady who was the lodge master at the time, because we even switched the lodge master. Is that what you call it? The lodge master. Worshipful Master? No, it's just a lodge master.
Yeah. And she sent me an email saying that I was going to be put on probation and that I was kind of not allowed to come. And because they had realized that I was doing podcasts and putting out stuff that I wasn't supposed to. I will not podcast on the chalkboard 100 times. Yeah. And then they said, but because of this, we do have to send it to the other people above them and the outer head and whatever.
These other people. And I'm like, whatever, I don't care. I'm not fucking coming. And I'm like, I should be getting paper sent back to me soon saying that I'm not even a member anymore. So I was like, who cares? It was like, maybe a month later, I got like a letter in the mail. I was like, fucking Oto. I was like, first off, I was like, how the fuck did they even find my address? Because I had moved.
That bugged me out a little bit. And my friend was still the secretary at the time. And he's like, well, when you moved, there was a thing that they send every once in a while, maybe every six months or some shit. They must have sent that in the time around, like when I still had the address change. So it got sent back to them with my new address on it.
It didn't get forwarded to me. Sometimes. They normally forward it, but sometimes they'll send the shit back with the new address change and tell you got to resend it. So he told me, that's how we got your address. He's like, don't worry about it. But they send me a letter in the mail. They're everywhere, man. They're at the mail. They're at the mail. Post office. And they're on every corner.
Yeah, post office. They probably are. The reason why I say that is because after the end of one of the initiations, they want you to take Lieber Oz and go post it up onto like, three federal fucking places. And they suggest a church. They suggest go put in a church, a post office and a police station. Like, why? Is that where all your fucking people are at already? Yeah.
The joke is already right itself. Right? Yeah. They'll make sure they go and take it down. You're supposed to put your name and everything on it, too. You brought that up. But I'm curious because I'm only familiar with Freemasonry and forgive me, man. Please forgive me. But in Freemasonry, they've kind of looked at Oto and some of the other ancillaries that it's like the criminal version. That's where all the drug addicts and addicts go to do more or less the same rituals, just in more casual clothes, maybe.
Yeah. See, the Oto, you start off like that, and the Masons, you just got to get into orders to do that. Yeah, right. You got to work your way into being more casual, and then it's okay to run underage kids and do drugs. That reminds me, today's episode is sponsored by the Order of the Royal Jesters. So shout out to you guys, man. Lodge number six five off by one too.
That sucks for you guys. There's a Royal Order of the Moose six six in actually, the Liberty Building in New York City. That's interesting. I think I sent you a picture of this. What was the flintstones one? Something of the moose something moose the buffalo. But they actually have legit Masonic orders now that you can become whatever the hell the Flintstones were. I mean, everyone knows it's like an inside joke, but you can get the little pin and everything.
Yeah, that's what oh, sorry. I took us totally off track, but long story short, I got a letter in the mail, and it was telling me that I was kicked out for doing what I did. So it was like, you don't quit, you're fired. Imagine that's what they did. Imagine they got the paperwork and they're like, we'll just kick them out now. I didn't even think of that.
I don't know when you mail it to whoever you're sending it to, if they actually contact the lodge person, the lodge manager, and be, you know, Nick sent us his paperwork, or do they tell them after the fact, like, so and so has been removed? I don't know how that works. I feel like what they do is they take your name from the good boy list and they put it on the shit list.
Kind of like Scientologists have the list of I forgot the name for that one too. But there's, like, a certain name, and if your name gets on that list, it's like you're allowed to just treat that person differently, you know? I will have to say, though, unless they contacted my old personal accounts that I haven't used in years and years, I never got any shit from them. So I am kind of impressed with that.
They hit you for DMCA, for just reading some of their materials. I guess all their materials are still copyrighted by the Oto directly or how does that work? I don't know because the whole thing is like, all right, I took what is the name of that book? The secret rituals of the Oto. Now, there's a lot of stuff in there that is incorrect. And when I was kind of going through it, I was actually adding in what was done, because I don't even think the book does tell you some of the handshakes and some of the words that it said, I don't think they're correct.
Or it doesn't tell you that shit is still missing or it's wrong. So I was fixing everything that I caught on and could realize or that I remembered that was completely wrong and kind of, like, did it that way. So I mean, I was using a book or I don't know if it was either the book or me actually saying the real shit that I experienced, you know what I'm saying? Do you leave anything out, or have you done, like, a tell all of your whole experience, or are there some secrets that you keep? Did when I first came out, I was very, I guess very angry at the Oto.
Even though it's hard to explain, it really isn't like it's partially their fault and partially just humans are fucking morons, and they take advantage of it. But I had no problem basically saying anything. About the only thing I really didn't do was I never got into names and addresses and places because I knew because of humans being crazy, I could say something, and then someone can hear that and go do something, and when I don't want that, you know what I'm saying? Could you drop on me? What's the secret handshake? If I were to just go to some Oto lodge and I wanted to get to the secret boss at the end, you know what I mean? The one that gives you the extra gold coin or whatever, what kind of handshakes what kind of things do I got to say? How do I just bust up in a lodge? Well, first off, you could just show up anyway, as long as it's an open day.
But I think funny is that when they do do that stuff from my experience again now, maybe when you get higher up, I don't know, but I've only ever seen really I mean, in initiations you will go through the new shit and at some rituals you will do kind of stuff. But it's like only the Minerva, which is like half in and half out. You're not even a full member for the most part, from what I remember.
That's the one thing that I think they constantly will do. It's not like anything above that. That to I could still tell what was the highlight of the initiation. You go like that, and then you put your hand down by your bottom and act like you're cutting your stomach across. You pump your thumb a few times. I think you will pump someone's thumb either three times by four or four.
When you say pump your thumb, can you give me a visual on giving them a thumbs up? Thumbs up. And then they go, that's a little gay. That's a little gay. That's cool, whatever. We accept all kinds here. You want to pump thumbs, you can pump thumbs. Check this out. You want to hear some weird wild shit now in that minervo, you're on your way to Heliopolis. You're heading to Heliopolis, and then you get stopped by these people, and they take you to a camp.
Heliopolis in Gematria equals thumbs up. Interesting. And you go and you pump your thumbs. And that's significant to me, at least, because like Mathers, right? Mathers was one of the OGS in the Oto, The Golden Dawn. And the Mathers cipher is one of the popular Gamatria ciphers that people still use. They sometimes refer to it as the Hebrew cipher. Although technically Mathers cipher. Oh, yeah. No, I use a Hebrew and English when I do mine.
That's interesting. Okay, so you go in, they stroke your thumb a few times at the end, after you've done everything and you said you didn't get that high. How high did you get and how high is there? The third as far as I got. Okay. Is it loosely based on Freemasonic hierarchy and whatnot? Or have you ever looked in to see how much it correlated? I know, like in the higher up ones, you do start getting into I mean, I could probably pull it up, but I could probably freestyle it enough now.
Anyway, the higher see? Well, one thing too, the fifth degree you have to be asked to do, you can petition up to the fourth anyway by yourself, unless you're a complete idiot or they think like there's something off with you, like you might be a danger to people, you'll keep going at least you know what I'm saying? But after that and the ones higher up, I think I'm just taking a guess this might be even like Freemasonic in a sense too.
You almost start getting like at these degrees. There'll also be like little add ons that you can add or like little names or titles start coming. It's not just like that one degree. Then there's like other little things that can attach to it and you start getting like Knights Templar shit. You will see a lot of the same names that you see that come with grades and degrees in other places and stuff that I've seen in Freemasonry.
Yeah, Freemasonry has some of that. But it's like you go into the Blue Lodge and now you get like the Knights Templar stuff. Or if you go into the Scottish right, that's when you get what people consider like the high degrees up to like 32 or 33. But I'm not really as familiar with all the little ancillary stuff. Unless you start volunteering to show up at lodge and clean the kitchen and stuff.
Then you might get like little special titles like The Grand Consort and it's like you made great mashed potatoes one night. I don't know. So like this there is I'll read off some of them like in The Lovers toward the fifth degree you can have the Sovereign Prince of the Rose Cross and the Knight of the Pelican and Eagle knight of the Red Eagle, a member of the Senate of knight of hermetic philosophers the 6th one you can be illustrious knight of the Order of Kadosh, a grand inquisitor commander prince of the Royal Secret, perfect pontiff of the Illuminati, ePOP of the illuminati initiate of the Sanctuary of the Gnosis.
This one I like especially since I've been covering the Gilgo beach. Rex Summers Sanctismus. Do you have all that at the bottom of your business card? Just put all the little titles on the bottom? Yeah, if you're like, put on your LinkedIn and just start applying the jobs and they check you out and like, this guy's, for real. They'd be like, Yo, I got to copy and paste and Google this.
I don't even know, they'll think I'm into LARPing. I actually would love to get into that topic, but what was it about the Oto and not, I don't know, a million know? Why wasn't it the Knights of Columbus or something? It's actually more of I actually would have preferred The Golden Dawn because I was looking for something that was a little bit more of school, a little bit more rigid.
Didn't have much of the same look as the you know, I believed Crowley was an occult genius, but I wasn't into something that was just like, all going to be like, crowley, Crowley, Crowley, Crowley. I really wasn't caring for that. And there was no Golden Dawn near me, at least not that I could find. And I happened to just check the Oto because I have watched a lot of their stuff on YouTube.
A lot of Lodges even have informative or I guess podcasts or shows on their own topics. And I used to like, do they DMC themselves just for good measure? It's part of the ritual themselves. A copyright? Yeah, it's like the self flagellation, right? Like open day. So I happened to look up, which is real easy. I'm sure most people realize these things aren't hard to find, that listen to our shows.
It was Oto usa. org or some shit like that. It was really easy. I found it and I was like, oh, there's 125 minutes, 20 minutes away from me when I lived in Queens. So I was like, I guess that's really like, my only option because I knew somebody that I was friends with told me maybe the Martinists, but there wasn't any around me. And he was a Mason himself.
I knew a few Masons already, and they had already told me, if you want to get into magic, you're going to have to join this and wait like 1015 years at least with the Oto or the Golden Dawn that you're starting off with. You're talking about the Martinists have like a ten year waiting list. No, he was getting at like, before anybody in the Freemasons want to admit that there's actually occultism and magic, you got to have to wait until you get up fucking high enough for anybody to start talking about it, maybe.
I mean, I was only a master Mason, and one of my brothers in Lodge started mentioning how it was like magical rituals and stuff. I guess it could also be very much probably like you're saying location in a sense, too. Yeah, I mean, absolutely. Just from things that I've seen with the Oto, each lodge kind of has, like, its own flair and its own fucking, its own secrecy and its own little way we want to do things and whatever.
Yeah, dude, grain of salt on this one. But I talked to someone recently that said that they had joined Freemasonry to expose it. And then, I mean, they were dropping some hot fire, like some stuff that they shouldn't have been saying, but it's nothing that you couldn't find on your own. But he was saying that in the West Coast, Freemasonry, they don't care about memorization. They don't care about a whole lot of sort of like, the regular guidelines, and they just want you to read secret Teachings of all ages.
Secret Doctrine and, like, a few other books, and they'll just quiz you on, I guess, the minutiae of some of that esotericism. That didn't sound right to me, but again, I have no idea how it operates in California. I'm not even sure if California is a real place still, but here in the Southern jurisdiction, it's very strict on memory work. Like, you have to be able to train your mind to memorize a book's worth of content, and that's basically the bar to get I couldn't I couldn't imagine something being so different where it's like yeah, in California.
You just kind of have to know a lot of manly Palmer hall and they're like, yeah, you're you know, here's your surfboard, here's your apron, type of deal. I don't know how it know? I wanted to ask just real quick. I know for like whenever I did know, they start running off their whole little threat of you repeating stuff. And I guess for the most part, maybe you'll understand what I'm getting at in initiations.
Sometimes I'm not even really paying attention to what's going on because I'm thinking about what just happened, what's going to happen next? And it's like your mind really isn't taking everything in. In my opinion, it was going to other people's after the fact. Yeah, it's being able to be an observer, it's totally different. But besides that, they'd say those things and it sounds all like, oh, okay. And then after the fact, when I even started to think of covering, I told you prior that hunt me down and cut me open.
Well, see, I started looking at it, and I started reading it, and I was like, you know, in my opinion, if you are an actual somebody who's experienced magic, I think these are all empty threats. Actually, I'm with you on that. I don't want to get too deep into the specifics, but I really do personally believe and this might not be widely accepted in Freemasonry and elsewhere, but I believe that those are all very metaphorical threats.
The threats themselves are also hidden knowledge, and you're supposed to interpret that as secret knowledge. And if you look, you think someone's actually going to cut you open, then you don't understand it still. You need to go back and start over from the first degree again and work yourself up until you but I also know that there's some super crusty OGS that have been in lodge longer than I've been on the planet and they would completely disagree, I'm sure.
Yeah, but I was going to say, for me, that was another thing too. Honestly, I never did notice anything illegal with the Oto, but if I did, I don't know, because again, now I'm starting. You just didn't get high. That's what I when I talk to people about Freemasonry and they're like, man, I heard this guy know this lodge, they kidnapped a bunch of kids and they did all this and it's like, man, I've never heard anything remotely close to that.
They do like St. John's Day and they do like the little fez things in the little car sometimes and they raise money for hospitals, but that must just be at the higher degrees, bro. It's at like 33 or 34. That's when that starts. Yeah, but basically what I was saying is I never said anything that was really going to affect them, really. You know what I'm saying? Nobody's going to get in trouble.
Nobody's life is going to be changed. After what I said, are there any secrets that you could really divulge that would be like, okay, now you don't have to go to an Oto lodge ever because I just told you this thing. Like, spoiler alert if I told you who the killer in Scream One was, and now it's like now you don't have to go in and see it.
Unfortunately, that would be just a matter of an opinion and not something that I could say. That what would be the thing if there were a thing that you could say, what would that thing be? That magic is my opinion, separating your soul from your body. And it's not what most people think at all, separating from so like, the magic is in you and you're taking parts of it out in order to use magic.
You leave your body. In my opinion. It's basically an NDE, a near death experience every time you have magic, in my opinion, or a near unalive experience, as YouTube tells them. Yeah, the thing is, I think there's a lot of people who never even have that thought in their mind. That's actually what magic is. And then if you were to have that experience, that could really fucking rock you to the core.
I've never heard that as being related to magic, but I guess how familiar are you with Rosicrucianism? Did you ever get into that at all? No, because again, I'm an actual bumpkin when it comes to these esoteric groups outside of Freemasonry, but my interpretation correct me as I get things wrong. But it was that golden dawn started and golden Dawn. Turned into Oto. And Oto had less rules than Golden Dawn.
And then there was also Rosicrucianism. But Rosicrucianism was for men only. And I believe that was what kind of spawned the Golden Dawn originally, was they were like, well, we want to be able to do what the Rosicrucians are doing, but be co ed. And then somehow the Oto came out of Golden Dawn because of Crowley. And Crowley had some sort of beef with the Oto guys. How much of that with the Golden Dawn guys? How much of that is the Oto came from Freemasonry.
You used to be able to transfer over if you were a higher degree you used to be able to transfer over into the Oto at a different degree because they were connected when Crowley yes, it is true. I'm sorry, I know you can hold on. Was it bi directional, though? Because I could understand if they were like, well, if you got into third degree masonry, then you can transfer an Oto, but could you just go into Oto and then no, you had to be a Free.
No, if you were a Freemason, you can go into the came from people that were Freemasons. Right. It was the dudes that wanted to talk magic after the lodge was then the Golden Dawn. That's its own separate entity. So Crowley got kicked out of the Freemasons. He also got kicked out of the Golden Dawn. It's disputed if he was ever actually in the Freemasons or if he was, like, made, whatever.
I actually question a lot of his stories. I think a lot of them are actually just occult tales, especially. Do you think he really climbed mountains? I think that just goes along with being a goat and occult symbolism, twin Peaks, shit like that. Yeah, true. I mean, he very much could have, knowing it's like, I'm reenacting occultism. But I do think a lot of his some of them for sure, I do think is just occult tales.
But to get back to Theodore Roos, and I think one or two other guys had the Oto, then Crowley had written the Book of the Law. They came across the Book of the Law and thought that he was writing about contact. They contacted him and it was like, Yo, dude, what's up? This is the story. Um, they're like, Yo, dude, what's you're you're dropping our secrets? You're putting our secrets out there? And he's like, I don't even know who the hell you are.
And then they met up and they handed him the Oto. And then he said that he thought because there was a ridiculous amount of degrees to match Freemasonry, he thought it was ridiculous how many degrees there was in Freemasonry that he knocked out, like, fucking half of them or whatever and left it with, like, twelve or 13 and tried to condense them as well. So that was a change.
And he even changed the initiations. The degrees. And then the Book of the Law was like their Bible. Yeah. And I think that in Europe, the rites of Memphis and Miseryum were fairly large, and they went up to, like, 99 degrees. And then even when people started coming over into United States originally, there was not a lot of agreement on how many degrees there would be until Albert Pike kind of came.
Albert pike was, like, the guy that standardized it. Another illuminati fellow. Illuminati member. Did his name ever come up in any of your Illuminati talks at the Know? It was so funny. There they were, I guess because I was into conspiracies, which got me even into joining the Oto. And it's like, when you went into there, they really weren't into I don't know. It was very weird. What was the average age group in there? It was probably, like, mid to late 30s, maybe 40s.
But conspiracy stuff was like they would joke around about how, like, oh, yeah, and people think the Illuminati is real, and these things that we're doing, they would joke around thinking like, this shit really doesn't happen. I'm like, really? I understand we're in something, but there's always going to be one grimy piece of shit doing something screwed up. Out of 100 people, 200 people, you can't say out of the whole organization.
All of that stuff is not true just by ODS. Some of it's probably going to be, to an extent, just a law of numbers, and they just want to ignore it's so funny. They're so stupid, those people, and it's like, no, you're actually ignorant. You don't even know what magic is. You don't even know what your will is. This brings me into a good segue because I've got a list of questions.
I got some rapid fire questions, and basically, I want to hear how valid you think some of these topics are. So if you give something a one, it's like it's bullshit. It's a psyop. It's a silly fruitful thing. And if you give it a ten, it's like, I'm all in. 100% reptilians exist or whatever. I wrote some of these. This is good specifically for you. So I just want to see what you're and then based on what you answer here, we'll go on a few other little this is like a which Way book.
You remember that? Okay. Oh, man. And I forgot I got to start this one. The first important question new York Patriot are you a cop? No. Because if you're a cop, you have to tell me. You're not allowed to lie about this. If I ask it straight up like this, are you a all right, everyone heard it. I am a felon. Oh. Are we allowed to talk like this? Is this violating parole for anybody? No.
What are you a felon for? Oh, I've mentioned it on my show plenty of times, actually. I've never hit in that. What are your crimes? I want to go scientologist now? What are your crimes? What are your crimes? I went to federal prison for I did two and a half years. Well, really? Two years with good time in halfway house. I did two years for selling steroids on the internet.
Sweet. You said it was two years and it was a good time. Is that what you said? I don't know about a good time, but no, I did years with good dude. It was like being in the Twilight Zone for two years. It was the most bizarre experience, I guess, because I went to a low that's like nothing you're not going to see crazy, really crazy shit there at a low.
I guess that was just like a free for all, for all sorts of shit that I never thought would been acceptable in prison. Yeah, just like leaving the bad kids alone. Yeah, it was bad enough to where it's like you'd be walking through the yard and you'd see Pedophiles sitting at a table playing magic cards or trading comic books and they had their own bocce ball court. I was like, how did happen in prison? Do you think anyone were in Epstein's black book? Oh, I have no or was it not that high enough? I mean, we had some sick people in there.
I mean, I don't want to waste the time and screw up the show by going into the charges and stuff. No, actually I got a printout of your rap sheet right here. I'm not going to go into it either, but I was in military confinement for a while. So from what I hear, though, going to a regular jail or a prison was preferable to military confinement. I have heard that if you wanted to, you could sleep or you could smoke or you could just do your own thing.
And in the military do like every five minutes was scheduled and you had to be like standing on a line and you were like, cleaning all the time. Okay, we detracted. Here we go. We're going to do a score of one to ten on a bunch of these different topics and just try to go quick. If you're on the fence and you want to explain it more, just throw it a five and we'll get into it.
All right, cool. Did Alastair Crowley talk to aliens and or demons? Ten. Okay, so you're convinced that he definitely did. We're going to get into that. Well, maybe I should say that a five because it's like a yes, but okay. All right. I'm already screwing up. Sorry. Did we bury Osama bin Laden at sea in May 2011? One. The law of attraction is an actual law and not just self help.
Silliness. Give that like a seven. Did the Knights Templars kiss Cat buttholes? Have you heard that before? If they did, I'm very interested in hearing about that. We'll talk about it. How correct do you think that mean? I don't think so, but nothing would surprise world all the World's Fair buildings were here already and we destroyed them. I would give that like a six or a seven. Six.
Okay, we're definitely going to that. Could a normal person buy a book off Amazon and then summon demons that weekend and actually do mean I'll give that a five. Sorry, I thought too long. All right. Could we have cars that run on water, but the government just won't let us have them? I think so, actually. Yeah. Okay. I think we might have actually had those already. Epstein hung himself.
One. Your phone is recording everything you say, even when it's off. I'd say that's probably like an eight or a nine. Celebrity clones are real. I'm sure there has to be at least one out there. More than one. Yeah, I'm sure there's do we ever land on the moon? I don't think so. One. Okay, so that's the end of the one through tens, but I want to get into that one immediately.
Okay. Flat earth. Hollow earth. Round Earth. Do you care? Do you have a stand? I mean, in my opinion, I do think that we're probably almost like a projection onto something flat. But besides that, for me, I don't think my opinion, I don't think anything out there is actually real. So do you think if you were to take a plane from here and could you circumnavigate the globe and would that be because it's a sphere? How would that work if you were to circumnavigate it? Or do you think that you can't circumnavigate it? Well, I think if we were allowed to fly anywhere the fuck we wanted, I'm sure then we might be able to go from one end to the next because it's the do you believe that there's like an Arctic wall and there's something beyond the Arctic wall? I have wondered that, but also my opinion, the flat Earth.
But see, this is even another thing and even another reason why I even question what we even see out there. The flat Earth model even looks a lot like the inside of your eyeball. And I did just spend like three episodes talking about occult seismalism in your eyeball. That's an awesome kind of like in my opinion, I do think the moon is not even real in a sense.
I think it's like a reflecting kind of thing. It could be like the lens inside of her eye in a sense. Do you believe in the localized sun or whatever they call it, where the sun is within the firmament? I think what we're seeing out there is literally just being projected out of mean so that know, eliminates any chance of us going out into this. Just NASA is paid to be just a psyop program.
That's where all their funding essentially goes. I mean, going by what Elon Musk is doing right now, I think he's just like showing an occult idea over and over and over again. He's boasting. He's like or showing what's going on in the Times right now. I think all that rocket ship shit is all occult symbolism. Jack Parsons was in the Oto. That guy loved. I mean, he's got shit with space rockets.
He admits he doesn't hide. He was in the Golden Dawn. Kubrick had anything to do with was if they used somebody that was already making movies and was well known, it wasn't just like, I know Kubrick was working for the government, but if they were to use somebody, I would suspect they would have probably maybe have used him. Because I do think wasn't he even, like, the first movie person to even give the film look of space? Technically, kind of, yeah.
So if you believe in predictive programming, then he's the one that got to tell you, here's what space looks like. So then they show you, okay, here's what space looks like, and it fits what you were expecting. I'm curious. Would that make him a good guy or a bad guy in your eyes or neutral if it came out? And I was like, yeah, Stanley Kubrick. We found evidence 100% he helped NASA fake the moon landings.
He didn't help he helped a lie to project to humanity. I mean, that's even, like, the sighted kind of thing. And I know this is getting really far off, but I could easily put it this way. Maybe you'll understand. Some people like to think that some people in World War II may not have really have been the bad guy. And I'll even give credence to that, that maybe some of the stuff like that was no different than COVID with propaganda.
But if you are complicit with playing that character still because you are part of the play, you are just as guilty as the bad guy. It's just like wrestling. It's scripted. If you're involved in the script, you're both the know, don't get mad at me since you're a New York patriot, and I'm just kidding because I know that you already mentioned that name, but I actually believe that if anyone is that angry at the Germans of World War II, we're not going to say the name.
It'll just be less work for me. Editing YouTube. Say anything you want, but it's just going to be more work for me. But yeah. So a lot of people villainize the Germans in World War II, rightfully so, because the agenda and the whole thing horrible, right? But if you really cared that much, you'd also know that all of that mentality came directly from America. Like, we outsourced it to Germany, and all they did was industrialized.
Just they turned it into a factory process, whereas in the US, it was a capitalistic process. We were like, hey, come do this thing so that you won't have kids anymore, and we'll give you these government benefits. Or we'll give you actual money. I'll cut you a check right now if you tie a knot in your dick right now. And that was kind of how they did it.
And they would do IQ tests and stuff, but it was kind of like little optian, a little bit like, hey, maybe you won't eat this month unless you do this thing. So it became like a really horrible decision again, sort of like a pandemic might be, but the Germans were just like, oh, no, we're just going to institute this at the state level and just turn this thing into like, a factory job.
And by doing that, they showed the whole world like, oh, if you do this at scale, it's just as bad as it sounds on paper. And then everyone kind of reeled back. But I mean, they all came, even the worst of the Germans. We were like, hey, come back over here. We want to read your notes, right? Like, be our study buddies. I had somebody in my chat on the live recently.
I don't even know what I was talking about that brought it up, but they had just said almost like the same thing as you came from here, bounced, took it over there, and then they almost kind of just even perfected it and then sent it back over here kind of recently, in a sense, even look at the fact of getting antifa. You know what I'm saying? I think that was actually an idea that was kind of sold to them perfected over there, and now we got these idiots coming over here, know, or popping up over here.
Now it's like, what the fuck? Well, you want a side of Starbucks? Is that what you're saying? Yeah, actually. Chase bank banquet. Dunkin donuts. It's cheaper too. Paying $8 for a fucking coffee. I'll pay five. First you said ten, and then you said five. Alastair Crowley talked to aliens or demons. So this is a reference to Lamb, but I just want to know either or do you think Alistair Crowley talked to some kind of a supernatural entity for real? And it wasn't just him doing his Alastair Crowley thing of know I'm special? No, I do think he see that was a problem, like seeing the alien thing.
I'm just not too keen on that whole alien. Well, didn't he think it was an alien or no, he might have Lamb. I mean, he drew it. My opinion he does say things that would make it seem like that, but it's hard to tell with that dude. My opinion, though, I mean, Lamb I don't think was an alien, even though it looked like a gray, but I don't think he was really technically contacting something that was like some flesh being or something that was in a spaceship.
I think if anything, he was just contacting like and as silly as it sounds, like entities of consciousness, that's just like not like an Aggregor? Yeah, I guess. Or maybe like something like I don't want to say a god, because that's, like the wrong word for me, but he could have been definitely contacting something. I just don't think it was going to show up in a spaceship. Do you think that if he had that ability, was that like some innate ability that he just had from birth? Or do you think he taught himself that from just reading Esoteric stuff and putting himself through rituals? I think to some extent I do think from birth, I think we are actually probably more prone to magic.
We're doing magic. As we get older, we kind of start getting screwed out of it. So maybe he might have been a little bit more gifted. Or maybe it was just he was maybe very into it and just studied and studied and practiced a lot. But I think he was gifted enough to where I think at some point, especially with Anoki and magic, this is just my opinion I think you can start almost running a GPS to where you want to kind of shoot for when you start having magical experiences.
And I think he was doing that. You mean, like as crazy as it sounds, maybe sending yourself farther back to source. And I think that could start getting darker and deeper in some ways. Is that the same as astral projection? I would consider actual projection probably like kids play compared to what he was doing. Really? Okay. I would consider astral projection, like, I mean, I guess you consider that mythic with a K, but I would consider magic with A-K-A little bit more beyond that to where it's like you're not even here anymore.
You're actually like your spirits, like somewhere else. You might have jumped lines and gone to different times or different places or something. I used to joke around that magic with a K meant that someone had to get off because usually it was related to Crowley. But I have found a book in the 1640s or something that had magic with a K in it. So it might not belong to Crowley specifically.
Oh, neither does the unicrystal. Hexagram he got that from somebody else too. Are you saying that he was just ripping people off left and right and that these old occultists were just repeating information and making it sound like they're the ones that found it? That's probably where Elon Musk got his playbook from. I was asking you before about Rosicrucians just because you've said a couple things now that reminded me a lot of Rosicrucianism.
One of them is that I don't know if I heard it as magic, but that when you go to sleep or when you actually project or when you meditate or whenever you have an out of body experience like an NDE. Really what's happening is that you've got this silver cord. I don't know if you've heard of the silver cord, but the silver cord connects it to you. So it's like your soul is connected to your body through this cord.
But at night, or when you die or in other certain instances, the cord actually can be severed. And in those cases, your spirit, whatever you want to call it, kind of hovers, like above your body. And then if you wake up or something, it's supposed to go back into your body really quick. But there's things that can happen where that doesn't happen. And then this is like, maybe where the concept of ghosts and everything came from.
But this just reminded me of that aspect, because the idea is that you kind of come from, like above the I'm going to simplify things, but you come from above the firmament. Like, there's just like amorphous, Blob soul. And as it drops down to the Earth, it becomes more and more dense. And as it becomes more dense, it gets covered in matter, almost like putting a bunch of gloves on or putting, like, a bunch of condoms on.
Right. And by the time you get down to the actual planet and you're born, it's like you've got 20 gloves on your hand so you can still feel you still have a hand. And if you were to smash it, you'd kind of feel it moving around a little bit, but you don't have the same sense of feeling as you would then if you had no gloves on and you were just touching your hand like normal.
And this also represents some of children are more magical than adults. It's because they are the closest to that original form of spirit. And then as you get older, it's almost like it calcifies around you and you get resistant to it. It's like the movie the. If all the Peter Pan's kids, if they just keep believing in tinkerbell and fairies and magic, then you never grow up. And if you do, it starts leaving you and you can't fly anymore.
That's really good. Yeah, it is like that. But apparently they're really strict there too. Rosicrucians. It's not like the Lost Boys. I don't think you can have food fights. That's interesting. That's pretty cool that they even get into that. There's a there's another book that was influenced by Rosicrucians Manly. Palmer hall has a book called The Occult Anatomy of man. And you mentioned something before we started recording.
You were talking about the seven seals and how you can break down the entire logic of the seven seals in what was it, like ten words or less? Can you do that for us? Oh, I don't know about that. No, I was just kidding about that. No, but he makes a statement in occult anatomy, and it blew my mind. I never heard this before, and now it's like one of my favorite things.
But he describes the seven seals as if you could read the entire Bible, as it were, historical and you read everything as though they mapped to geographical places and times and dates and people. And you could do it in a way that you actually understood it and it made sense. That's one seal. And now if you can read the Bible again, but now you're reading it as like an anatomy manual and every single person represents like an organ and every event represents a biological process.
Well, now you've got two seals. So he was, I guess, hinting that seven seals really means being able to read any occult text, take the Book of Law, anything, and being able to read it in seven different contexts. And then by the Hermetic principle, as above, so below and through analogy, that a person that truly understands the Bible, for example, could read it in any of those different contexts and still be able to explain to someone else in another context.
I had never heard that before. Are there other explanations of the seven seals that you think are interesting or valid? It's such an abstract concept, right? Or is there like an agreed upon thing like no, it was an actual wax seal, I do think was when we were going to cover it on the occult rejects, I was heavily going to focus on Tarot and kabbalah. But again, Tarot does the way I look at Tarot, I do use it Kabbalistically on the tree, the way they fall on the tree.
So, I mean, that's kind of why I was using that was more of pictorial to an art. But it's almost very much like what you were saying. I do think even in the Tree of Life, with the spheres or the paths, I do think you can start seeing seven things needing to change in order to get to a magical experience, or being able to break out of those seven handcuffs to have a magical experience.
And even when it comes down to even magic, my opinion part of it will be like lowering your vibration down to the Earth's vibration. And that is like a seven Schumann resonance or something. Yeah. Isn't that like a seven point something? So I'm like even there, you're even getting the seven again with tapping into the Earth's vibration. Interesting. I think the seven seals is there's a lot of thing like you were saying, I think there's a lot of things that need to happen to start even cracking one and getting all the way through.
Do you think David Koresh was anywhere near the seven seals? I have wondered if David Quresh might have actually understood magic. Do you think magic is compatible with Christianity? Do you think there could be Christians out there that are legit? Yeah. Have you met? Well, no, personally met? No. But people that I've seen in the media, to me that claim to be I don't think they are. I mean, put it this way, I guess because of me possibly being a Christian or catholic Christian for most of my life when I was religious.
So that's like half of it, really. Not much, but it was enough. How much of it when you were thinking for yourself? Probably none. No. But I went normally just to go because of the family or whatever, but it was something I grew up around, especially as a child. So I don't know if that's why I went back to it. But to be wholly honest with you, I have even said myself on my own show that I do promote actually understanding the Bible, because I think it's as cult as shit.
Agreed. Yeah. Especially Revelation. So in my opinion, that is such an easy thing to just claim and use as occultism because you already understand that flair if you understand what I'm getting at. I do think why some people will call themselves some people will say that they're Jewish, but I really think they're Kabbalists. But it's just like, I can identify with Kabbalah in Hebrew, then I'll just claim Jew or whatever.
But, like, Kanye West. Perfect example. I think he's a magician. I think he's an occultist, and he just gravitates to the Christian look and the Christian shit. It's all just little flares of occultism or a different aspect in an experience in occultism that they just like maybe that experience hit them more. Maybe aesthetically it looks better. It's a little bit more conservative, and I think that they just run with that and use that, but it means something very much different.
I even think you're getting that a lot with politicians when they're like, oh, I want to thank Jesus. They claim that these conservatives are these hard Christians and Catholics. No, you're just an occultist and you just pick that religion to talk shit. I know you're not talking about my trump. I didn't even actually think it. Where are you at now? On mean, I'm gonna put my preconceived notions on the table here.
Because if you believe in magic and demons and it feels like you have to believe in spirit, and if you have to believe in spirit, then you kind of have to believe in maybe a demonic or evil side of that spirit. So how far away are we from God and devil at that point? No, I do religion. It's great that it's hard to explain three words or less.
Too many rules. No, too many rules. That's actually great, man. Maybe you do great with the three words or less stipulation. Too many rules. If people were allowed to explore that book and not be told how to practice it, I think it would be a lot better. Do you listen to hip hop? Not really. Not anymore. Did you in the there? There was highly recommend this album. Not a lot of people take it seriously, but Sticky Fingers came out with a solo album, and I think it was called The Trial of Kirk Jones or something.
But he has a song on that album where he's talking to God. I think it's called Talk to God. And he's like praying to God or something. It's a little annoying. It's not the best musically, but he asks this question or God response, and he says this thing, and I have never been able to shake it since I heard it, but he's saying, like, paraphrasing, do you really think that I could create laws that could be broken? And that always really resonated with me, and I always wonder that.
So I want to just ask you that and give credit to Sticky Fingers, of all people in onyx. But he posed that question and it's still been an absolute mindfuck to me for multiple decades. So do you think that God could create rules that could even be broken? No, not really. No, I don't think so. So does that mean that any rules that could be broken are all just human made? Yes, that's what I was thinking.
I agree. Are you just saying that because you want to do you just want to be a criminal and get away with it? No, I didn't want to drag on an answer. And then you start hitting me with three words or less. But no experience with magic? Yes, from my experience with magic, I think there is a lot of rules and laws that are put onto us that is a problem, and that's actually what stops us from ever having these experiences, is that you need to actually break them.
And in my opinion, then, I don't know, I just don't think God would I think you're right with that. Do you think you could sit down and teach someone magic and they would actually walk away knowing how to produce magic? Or do you think that someone has to figure it out for themselves? Is it like doing like an ollie on a skateboard? Or is there an analogy that you could even paint to it? I mean, I could give people what I did to get to that point with certain practices, with meditations and breathing work and stuff like that.
But to a certain extent, it's really going to have to be within the person, too. The whole shadow work even comes with that as well. So, again, I'm a bumpkin when it comes to the magic stuff, so I come from Harry Potter magic. All right. So I imagine oto you get to the high levels and they're like blasting fireballs out of wands or something. I don't know. Yeah, exactly.
Street Fighter is there anything at all what is the closest thing to that that you think might be valid in that? I'll give you an example as one, is that there's a concept that someone like these Buddhist monks can go out into the snow and just melt the snow all around them and raise their body temperature to levels that clearly they've got control over what's normally like an automatic system in your body, right? So maybe I'll consider that as, like a physical.
Like, if someone did that in front of me, I'd be like, okay, that's magic, you know what mean? Like, you're breast now out of me. Is there anything like that that you think that you could have seen or learned or attained to in the Oto or other sort of Western esotericism? Tell you the truth, most of the stuff at the lodge was very just, like, almost cookie cutter.
There was, like, maybe one or two things in my experience in the Oto where I might have actually felt something, but a lot of it, they'll even tell you there the magic all happens on your own at home. My own experience is like what you had said about somebody melting snow. I actually think that would probably happen after they've had magical experience because I think you will actually kind of put off a lot of heat and energy after the fact.
From my experience, one of the things that I did that did also very much convinced me that magic was real. But I couldn't I mean, I guess I could explain and try to tell you what I did. Please. No, I'm just saying blowing out the candle. Haven't I told you about that before? Maybe I haven't. Blowing out a candle, just like the thought. Okay, yeah, I think I remember you told me about this one.
Yeah. So, I mean, that proved, like, that right? There was, like, something that shook me to my core because consistently or did it just happen like the one time and that shook you? Well, no. Well, it happened, like, three fucking almost three. I started noticing the light flickering, and then it happened again. And then I tried to do it, and then it did flicker, and then I finally put it out and I said, that's enough.
And you were solo here? I was inside my house, inside my living room, sitting in a chair with my you'd have, like, an Oto person hiding behind the couch with the canned air. I wish. Because that did freak me the fuck out, honestly. I'll be totally honest. That wasn't, like, a cool thing at the time because that really proved to me I just literally changed physical reality. Why would that be scary, though? Because according to everything that I have grown up believing, that shouldn't happen.
That just told me everything I've been told is a lie. That's hard to swallow, my man. Well, maybe, but I mean, if you're also fairly receptive to, say, like, flat Earth or a projected Earth, it doesn't sound that much crazier than magic is real. Well, I thought I didn't believe that until after magic. Okay, so was that like a floodgates opening moment? Yes, for sure. What other things did you not believe before that and then started to believe after that? Like, anything, like, super outlandish that if you went back in time and you could talk to yourself pre candle and be like, yo, this shit's real.
What part would old you be like, Bro, come on, man, you're being extra. Believe it or not. That's a good question. Maybe I do believe there might be a reason for all these things. But I have looked back and just thought that some of the stuff like overdoing all the stones, the herbs, the this and that and making sure I have all these stones match Mars or it matches this god, it matches this sphere.
Doing all that stuff I look back at and just think it was kind of pretty much, in the long run, probably a waste of money and was just a lot of woo woo silly shit. You have to correct me because I'm just talking from what I understand. But like the special stones and the herbs, usually that's when you're trying to make a talisman or bring some kind of like an energy from the planets based on the constellations above you.
So you try to match what's above so below and then that gives you a better chance, right? It's like buying 20 lottery tickets instead of buying one lottery ticket when you're doing something. But it doesn't necessarily mean you've got better chances. Overall, I could say I think my idea of magic changed hugely or my idea of understanding magic after the fact. I guess my idea of what white magic or black magic or all that stuff is that I think changed.
Because looking back at my magical experience, this actually was perfect example. We're talking about candles and maybe I'll make a candle for this to happen or for that to happen. Me looking at actually myself even doing any of that, I found silliest shit. Because it's just like, in my opinion, that actually is black magic. In my opinion, me doing anything to actually try to change this reality at all without changing me first is black magic really me just being in existence? In my honest opinion, is black magic.
Just you or everybody? US existing is black magic because all we do here is take everybody else away from their will. You know what I'm saying? This sounds very kabbalistic. What's? The book by the three people, the Cabalion, the Kybelion, they mentioned something similar to this, that all life is is constantly screwing up. And then once you get it perfect, you almost get sucked back into the hole.
But then if you don't get it perfect, you have to keep reliving it over and over again. And the ideal is that everyone lives a perfect life and they all get sucked back into the hole and then we're all just like a big perfect ball of goo at some point, I guess I don't like astral goo, but it sounds very much like that. It even goes back even to even stuff.
When I started covering the Eyeball series, unfortunately, that even solidified my idea even more about that because I do think the white magic and the black magic, in my opinion, when you have a magical effect, you're going to have one eye open and one eye pinned going in, your pupil is going to be smaller. So it's going to look like you have more white of the eye showing you're going into yourself, having a magical experience.
And then when you shoot back out into this fucking shithole of an experience that is black magic because now your pupil is bigger, would it have any effect on you if you were blind? Like, on how magical you could be? You know, I've wondered about that. I've seriously wondered about that. I've wondered if that makes it easier for them. Because if you didn't have eyes at all yeah, in my opinion, I think you're shutting off your eyes too.
You're going to stop to tears. You're going to pretty much choke your eye out of oxygen. And then you'll go from the Ocuous humor into the vitrous humor, and you'll be like, Jesus, turning water into wine. And then you'll head to the optic nerve, like they tell you in the Minerval degree, the God name is on, because I was supposed to go to the optic nerve, and they just dragged me somewhere else.
Okay? That was the initiation ritual. That was the programming part. That was the trauma that they usually implant some other lesson during that little motion there. No, but I do think even when it comes down to white magic and black magic, I even do think that that is even pertaining to your eyeballs. But even my whole idea of where I was saying what magic was after that experience, honestly, me thinking like, what I was doing, I thought was kind of rather silly to an extent.
Or I was just even like, wow, I thought that's what magic was. And it's like nothing that I would have ever expected. Is that the farthest that you ever went personally was the candles? Well, I would probably say where I've done in meditation was probably a little bit more that was a little bit more serious. I would think that actually probably was a little bit like I did say the flame did throw me off.
But in my honest opinion, when you come back from a magical experience, unless you're very extremely balanced, which I do think comes from the shadow work, you're going to go through some mental growing pains after the fact. Because even you might even have to start questioning, all right, if I even believe what just happened, that's going to cancel out a lot of science that I've been told my whole life.
And that's hard for me. It was hard because I was like, fuck, I already been lied to about religion. I was already lied to about the Oto. And now I'm finding out it was probably lied to about fucking everything. Are there any people within the Oto, do you think that could do that kind of stuff on command as like party trick? Or is it one of those things like you're not allowed to do it in front of other people or if you do it under they would never do that unless you're at maybe you got high up and then you were like, screw this, too many rules, I'm going to go do my own thing.
Hey, check this out. At a bar, like you're drunk at a bar, check this out. I guess that's another assumption is that I figure in the Oto you can be like drunk and stoned and still do magic or is it very strict about that? I know people have gotten kicked out for showing up drunk. Well, told to leave the Oto. In my time there they had put out a know, I guess lodge wide, everybody got like they have put out things about them know, heroin is not accepted.
Wasn't wasn't Crowley like all about heroin and mescaline when he came up with most of that? Yeah, it's probably why they mentioned that everybody else, oh, I want to be like Crowley, I'm going to shoot up have I'm not trying to stick up for them, but they have actually put out things like making it known that drugs and coming here screwed up and drunk is not going to be tolerated.
So you heard that New York Patriot, the apologist for the Oto official apologist. Were you in the chat when I said because I said I thought that Sound of Freedom movie was just a money grab. All I said was a Mormon money grab and I became a sympathizer. Oh, let's talk about that one because I didn't know that I was with a pedophile sympathizer on this show. So now I'm going to go ahead and have everyone unfollow you.
We're going to attack your chat. Tell me what you really thought about Sound of Freedom. It was a money grab. Really? Listen, I'm going to be totally honest with you. I could really give two shits about the movie or anything about it, but when I see people talking about it, I was like, oh, let me just look into it. And within like five minutes I found out the guy was a Knights Templar.
I found out the guy is that a bad thing? Well, when you're a Mormon in the Knights Templar and you're trying to put out a movie about sex trafficking, you don't mention anything about just all of that together to me screams, I'm just trying to make money. Well, I think they purposefully based the actual bad parts outside of the US. Even though they clearly could have shot the entire movie taking place in any city.
Right. But they purposefully bring it out to Columbia. You put it this way. I mean, I think the Trump Tards and the Qtards have already been mind fucked into certain believing certain shit. Those are our sponsors. Thank you very much. Probably, yeah. So why would you not put out a movie, you know, is going know, appeal to them and give them some false hope? This is what I think is insane to me, and I'm not trying to be an asshole or sound nasty.
I don't think you're going to care. I'm not saying it to you, but I don't understand with the conspiracy community. Just because I know something exists does not mean it's stopping. Because my neighbor might now admit, oh yeah, sex trafficking. Yeah, it's real and it's still going on. Because, you know, doesn't mean it stopped. People think that just because you read a meme on Instagram and you know something? Now these bad guys have to stop doing it.
No, we don't even know who the fuck they are, so they don't have to stop. My favorite one is like, no, we're starting the conversation. We're starting a conversation. This shit is stupid. Just because this guy put out a movie, you think all of a sudden the Rocks childs are going to stop doing what they do? Fuck out of here. Come on, man, grow the fuck up. The right is becoming just as childish and idiotic as the left.
Do you think the Rothschilds still have their fingers in all this? They got enough money. The reason we even know who the Rothschilds are is because Ezra Pound, who was an occultist and a socialist, was a whistleblower at one point and started bringing their name up as a conspiracy. That's the only reason we have that name, is because a magician who is associated with a doctor in MKUltra told us the Rothschilds are doing whatever.
What doctor is that in MKUltra? I'll look him up. Right? Oh, I mean put you on the spot. Was that like you and Cameron? Was it? No, Sydney gottlieb no, it was actually somebody it was that he was at St. Elizabeth's Hospital. This doctor too, I got to find his name, I'm going to pull it up. He even got Ezra Pound off of Treason because he was insane.
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I personally don't know why that particular theme caught on, but I've heard some really interesting theories about it and I'm surprised is one of my favorite ones is have you ever heard of Toxoplasmosis or the South Park episode where everyone's like, licking cat butts? Have you ever watched a bunch of South Park I did watch South Park and either I don't remember that. So there's an episode of South Park where there's like a sick cat and people that sniff its farts or lick its butt, something, they start tripping out.
It's like a know, hit of LSD or something, and they start passing the cat around and then it turns into like an anti drug ad where it's like, kids don't do the cat don't sniff cat butts or something, and it turns into a joke. But this was based on an actual phenomenon called Toxoplasmosis, and there are certain types of felines that in their fecal matter. It's toxic to humans and it can actually cause hallucinations and basically like an NDE, right? Or an astral projection or some sort of out of body psychedelic experience.
So some of theories were like they were doing it because they were sicko satanists. And of course they're sniffing cat butts because what else do weirdo Oto people do? They sniff cat butts. But then the other part that I really like is that maybe they just found a way to get stoned and talk to God directly. And that became part of this ritual where it's like, hey, take a hit.
Take a drag off this cat butt. Guarding it. I wouldn't put that past people. What you're saying right there, I would not put that past people either. Licking the toads right there's. People that lick toads to do the same thing. That's what I'm saying. I would not put that past yeah. If that has any validity to it, put that past humans. If someone told you that you could get higher than you've ever been in your life if you just lick this cat's butthole real quick, would you do it? No.
You know, honestly, fucking with magic is probably the highest I've ever been in my life. Really? Could you make it comparable to any other experience? MDMA? Like fucking candy flipping? No. Probably like I don't know, just be like, 100 times more intense than any feeling you've ever had. Like positive. Is there a hangover? Yeah. For yeah. That's why I do think if you fuck with it too often too much, you start acting like Kanye West or Joe Biden.
How many of high level ranking politicians and celebrities and stuff do you think are just doing magic all the time? All the time? I don't know. Okay, let me reset. Live a magical lifestyle. I think most of them actually understand it just depends on do it. Yeah, I think there's probably more than half, especially in politics and music and shit like that. What do you think about the whole Marina Abramovich and Spear cooking stuff with the podestas and all that? She's out there.
She's actually I really don't want to say the name of the cult, but I'm going to be covering cult eventually. Valley of the dawn. Valley of the dawn. I never heard of that before. It's a UFO cult. That in my opinion and the reason why I'm even going to well, there's multiple reasons, but one of the reasons why is because it's another oh, UFO aliens. Do you think they'd sponsor this show value? In my opinion, I do think I can show that that is the Astrom Argentum behind it.
The what? Astrom Argentum. Can you say that in American for me? Argentum Astrom. That was Pig Latin. I know my Pig Latin, sir, but that is don't again, I don't believe he came up with it. I think it existed prior, but that was another Crowley order. But it really is the Oto and the Golden Dawn mixed together. That is like the Valley of the dawn is no, the Astromargentum is like if you want to be serious and that's like a serious secret society because you're wearing hoods that actually cover your face.
I got a Sarke. I have one. I should have kept it next to the desks because I how do you know about this? Were you in the Astromargentum too? No. If you're in the Oto, you're going to know what the Astromargentum is because it's know. And a lot of people who were really serious started going into that and I hadn't even thought about it myself to the point to where I went out and bought a robe thinking I was going to get into it and I never did.
Where do you go to get a secret society robe? Is there like a special thing? It's like when you get into these things and this is very interesting too. It's like you start meeting all these people that happen to might have this Etsy shop or this little Facebook thing and they all sell and know you get a lot of people that actually are within it that are providing shit too.
I feel like they would probably also do a lot of cosplay costumes on Etsy. Are you here to join a secret society or dress up like someone from Fortnite, like, click on this button or this button. Well, you know, cosplay works great for Doc Darling. Well, honestly, this is one of the questions that I've heard someone else ask, and I'm stealing it because I love it. But how much of magic and Oto, like, let's say, today, how much of that do you think is just LARPing versus how much of it is legit? Most of it.
Most of it's just LARPing. Just people just having fun. Well, when I say the word ignorant, I'm normally not really using it in a negative sense. I'm just using it in the way it's meant. They don't know. I think you have a lot of ignorant people in those things. And the woo woo is like the magic when it's not. And I think they get stuck in that when I made that joke before.
I'm not knocking her knowledge. It's just I think she knows how to sell herself. You better not. She might be a future sponsor of this show. You know what's funny? She has dealt with more shit from the Oto than I have and she wasn't even a member. We're talking about marina. Oh, no. When I said something about dot, darling, which one's hotter? Well, wasn't a serious question. I'm like, I really don't think either one of them are, but, I mean, I would say Don Darling because I don't think fuck Mary KILM, but I'm Blavatsky Hillary.
No, I'm just kidding. She's got, like, cigarettes hanging out of her mouth. Old blovatsky, too. We're not talking about, like, young Blavatsky. Yeah, she stopped shaving and everything. Probably got hairs growing off with the fucking cigar hanging out of her mouth, talking kabbalistic shit. If Crowley was a contemporary, would you chill with them? Would you invite him to a party? Or do you think that you would just want to read his books and not be anywhere near him? He was alive today.
I would talk to him if he gave me the chance. Yeah? Would you go on, like, climb mountain with him? No. Leave your ass behind. I don't trust the guy. You'd probably get an STD just by being in the same room with him, I assume. Right. And that because of, like I'm a fan of the guy. I mean, if I was given a chance to talk to again, another German German name that I shall not mention, I would talk to him, too, just because I want to know what the fuck's going on inside these people's heads.
Do you think either of those people are, like, evil? Just put it that way. You know what I'm saying? Do you think any of them or anyone else is, like, evil and went to hell? You can unpack that a little bit. So it doesn't have to be as simple as I stated it. But do you think a bad person does bad things? They go to hell to get punished for eternity.
Or for a longer period than a normal person would, my opinion. I think you just get recycled back into the game regardless. Like, no matter what you did, you just pop. Yeah. I even think there's probably a good chance, regardless of what you do, good or bad, you're just going to get recycled anyway. But I think if you kind of live the screwed up life by definitely coming back and having to get something right.
All right, we're getting close to 90 minutes. I got two other questions that I want to ask, specific to, I guess, being an occult reject. If there's someone that's in the Oto listening now, right, and they're on the fence and they're like, man, I want to get to that next level, level five, but they haven't invited me, and I've got my robe picked out. But also, I think this might be kind of bullshit.
What would be the thing that you would tell them to push them off the fence and just give it up and have their name taken off the list? There's no reason to go there, in my opinion. It's good to have those places to learn from other people. But in my opinion, the Oto is not the image of what magic and and I don't know if it's done on purpose or not, but I think their advertising is almost or their look is almost like we're showing you what the handcuffs are that you need to remove to have a magical experience.
And I think most people look at it the complete opposite. Leave the Oto, do some serious, serious, serious inventory on yourself. Learn to meditate as much as that sucks. Start learning breath work. Start practicing to be able to see colors in your eyes and go on from there. But you do not need that place, in my opinion, because the magic is going to happen from you. You have to change yourself to have a magical experience.
That's not my opinion. It's not a good place for that. Just leave and work on yourself. The magic happens with you, not them. And do you think that there's more powerful magic? That if 20 people in the Oto came together and they're all doing the same rituals or spells or whatever, does that make it just more powerful? Yeah. I mean, regardless, even if it's not the same magic that I'm talking about and more of just putting out like a mean, you're going to have more people doing the same thing.
But even if you had people who understood magic and maybe you just had a magical experience and might have energy that they can start using to start manipulating and doing things with, I think if you get 20 people like that together, it's going to be serious. Or it's more serious than one for sure if they're all on the same page. I love talking magic with you because you talk about it in such, like a.
Matter of fact way. And it's interesting, it's so rare to have the juxtaposition of someone that believes in magic but also doesn't like the woo woo of magic because almost everyone that likes magic, it's the woo woo that they like about it. You know what I mean? It's like all the fun crystals and all of the fun little dances you get to do, see real quick. That was even one of the reasons why I ended up going with the Oto, because even when I wanted to get into this stuff, as soon as I came across Wicca and witchcraft, I was like, that shit is too woo woo for me.
And there's probably like if you want to talk about like magic versus witchcraft or witches versus magicians, it's probably like 80, 2070, the witchcraft is much more prevalent. Well, hold on. Is magic and witchcraft different? No, but I do think not to be an ass, I do think that witches are probably under the idea of what magic is. They have much more of a larger false idea. Like if I took people from the Oto and then I went to some witch covenant, maybe there's like 10% inside my lodge that actually probably knows what magic is in the witch covenant.
It's probably fucking two or three and they're the ones running it. Is that because of the nature, magic is bullshit? Well, I think Gerald Gardner again, who was a member of the Oto and he basically started Wiccans, right? Yeah, sorry. Crowley was like a teacher to him and Crowley even gave him permission to open up his own lodge. He was going to open up his own Oto lodge.
And then, you know what he probably realized? I probably can't sell this that good and make that much money off of it because Crowley's already got his hands in it. So I'm going to have to start my own bullshit to bullshit people with and to make money off. So like, he was just like a nature in that process. People who understand magic will see your shit, go through it and see what you're really saying and be, Ah, he's got it too.
Which is what I think a lot of symbolism we're even seeing and famous people are doing is just like call signs to brag. Okay, so like a different flavor. It's like, I want the birkenstock version of Oto. So then you go and join like a wicked coven. Is there any group out there that you would still like to join? You mentioned the one that you had to be on like a waiting list for 20 years or something.
Are you still interested in joining anyone like that? I think somebody else was bringing that up when we were talking. The only other thing that you know, and I'm not really big on suggesting things, josephine McCarthy, I think that's her name, she has like the Quarrya series. It's completely free. Every PDF is up there for free. And they will probably even tell you if you look on the site, I think it will even say if you're actually going to do this, expect it to take 17 to 20 years and it's all free.
And you do it by yourself at home and it's very much on you, just reading yourself and your own personal experiences and figuring it out. Hers I can get by. And I've even repeatedly said, I wish sometimes I stayed with that because when I was in the Oto, I was actually very interested in that, started practicing that, and I do believe her stuff actually helped me get a lot farther.
But then I was just like, the pentagram ritual and the Hexagram ritual, if you get into that stuff, is completely different than what I was used to. And I was like, I'm not about to start learning another version of a ritual that I already spent a year memorizing to do with my high school, you know what I'm saying? So I was like, this is too much, and I just stuck with the Oto.
But there was times when I did wish, like, maybe if I did this, I would have continued a little bit longer and got a better experience and maybe had a better outlook on magic in a sense too. Well, I would also like to continue this and do a little bit longer and figure out some more from you. I'll have you on again 100% to talk about some more of this stuff.
I think it's fascinating topic. Would you ever be open to summing a demon on a live podcast or is that out of the question? If you wanted, I would be willing to do a ritual, but like a banishing one, I wouldn't invoke anything. Let's talk about that. Man. I would love to do some kind of like I haven't in a while, but I could easily push the chair out and do it.
And the reason why I would do it is so people know I'm not bullshitting. Hell yeah, let's definitely do that, man. That would be so cool. I have no problem. I'll even put on the Astro Magentum hood and robe and everything. Dude. Okay. All right. I don't know if I threw them out, I might have thrown them out. I don't think I have a wand anymore, but I think I've got like mullet wig.
That's like the closest thing I got to a robe. But yeah, maybe I can look at something. Man, you'll have to send me your Etsy shop or whoever your Etsy dealer is for your secret society robe links in the comments that came from fucking Spain. My man kid who was in the Astro Magentum was making them and sent it from Spain. I had to pay $50 for shipping on that shit.
The tag said like, made in China instead of Spain on the box, but China on the tag. Yeah, I'll tell you one thing, it was rather expensive, but it has weight to it. Like when I pulled it, when I got the bag, I was like, all right, at least I know this was worth the money. Do you think some of them are flexing? They show up with like mink coat, like robes and stuff? Or like the gold trim, you know what I mean? No, there's dudes, I've seen that literally looked like they just walked out of Interview with a Vampire and walked straight into the lodge.
Like they got the whole vest over the puffy and the like fucking Tom Cruise dressed up in vampire shit walking into the lodge. I was like, what the fuck is this? I mean, we were saying larps, right? A lot of people are just LARPing asriel I'm like, oh, same dude telling, oh, you shouldn't be smoking cigarettes in front of the lodge because it might go up into the fucking windows up there.
Fuck out of here. Oh, my god. Okay, I'm going to cut this off because we got to save some for next time. Yes, sorry. Tell people again where to find you and listen to your work and any other projects you got going on. Yes. I have the Nypatriot show. I have the occult rejects. And I did forget. I do co host spiritual gangsters. If you want to just hear a little bit more lighthearted stuff or personal stories, just interesting things.
Not always occult spiritual Gangsters, I do co host that with Teresa. And then I have the NY Patriot Show and the Occult Rejects. And everything is on all major podcasts. They're all on YouTube. They're all on BitChute and rumble. All right, that's going to conclude one more episode of the Paranoid American Podcast name still pending. We'll come up with a cool name because I don't like PAP. I don't like the acronym PAP.
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