Summary
➡ The text discusses the evolution of film and animation, focusing on the roles of directors and producers. It highlights how technology, like AI, is changing the industry, potentially revolutionizing dubbing. The text also explores the role of a director in an animated film, describing it as more managerial, overseeing other directors like art and music directors. Lastly, it touches on the concept of ‘smell o vision’ in movies and how it could enhance the viewer’s experience.
➡ The speaker discusses their thoughts on 4D experiences, comparing different movies and their experiences watching them. They also delve into a conspiracy theory about the Mission Impossible series being a disclosure of Scientology’s infiltration of the CIA. The conversation then shifts to discussing various comic book movies, their adaptations, and the speaker’s personal preferences. They end by speculating on the time setting of the movie ‘The Incredibles’.
➡ The text discusses various aspects of superhero movies, particularly focusing on the Incredibles. It mentions the different superhero abilities, the short films associated with Pixar movies, and the evolution of superhero movies over time. The text also touches on the impact of these movies on pop culture and their popularity compared to other genres. Lastly, it compares the Incredibles to other superhero narratives like Watchmen and the Boys, discussing societal attitudes towards superheroes in these stories.
➡ The text discusses the concept of collateral damage in superhero stories, using examples from the Smallville series and The Incredibles. It explores how ordinary people become vigilantes due to the actions of superheroes, and how this theme is portrayed in The Incredibles. The text also delves into the idea of superheroes being forced to limit their abilities due to societal norms, and draws parallels between the Incredibles and CIA agents. Lastly, it discusses the CIA’s Project Chaos, suggesting that the Incredibles’ actions could be seen as a distraction for more covert operations.
➡ The text discusses the theory that the movie “The Incredibles” is a metaphor for the transition of the OSS to the CIA in 1947. It suggests that the characters are CIA agents who are forced to stop their operations and work behind desks due to public scrutiny, similar to the real-life Church Committee hearings in 1974. The text also draws parallels between the movie and the Watergate scandal, suggesting that the character who meets the Incredibles in a limo is modeled after Deep Throat, the insider who leaked information during the scandal. The text also mentions the idea that the superheroes’ lawsuits from the public led to the government banning superheroes, reflecting societal issues.
➡ The text discusses a movie, possibly “The Incredibles”, and its unique elements. It mentions the use of costumes, the plot, and the characters, comparing them to other superhero movies and comic books. The text also talks about the movie’s animation style, its length, and the absence of a typical Disney narrative. It ends with a humorous conspiracy theory about birds being surveillance devices in the movie.
➡ The text discusses a movie where kids join their parents on dangerous missions, facing villains who don’t hesitate to harm children. The writer also talks about the ‘Disney proxy’ concept, where a child watching a movie relates to the on-screen child whose parents are absent or die. The text also mentions the impact of merchandise sales related to the movie, shares personal anecdotes about aquarium visits, and discusses the character ‘Syndrome’ from the movie, who is a smart inventor but not a superhero. The writer compares Syndrome’s actions to a ‘false flag’ operation, where he creates a problem and then solves it to appear as a hero.
➡ The text discusses the hidden meanings and implications in the movie “The Incredibles”. It suggests that the movie subtly introduces concepts of secret societies, secret identities, and government conspiracies. It also hints at the darker side of memory erasure, comparing it to brain damage. The text encourages the reader to research Operation Chaos and COINTELPRO, suggesting that these covert operations may have influenced the movie’s narrative.
➡ The text discusses a person who creates and sells unique items like comics and cards related to conspiracy theories and historical events. They have a website, paranoidamerican.com, where they sell their creations, including a comic book about the Apollo missions and a set of over 260 cards featuring famous figures and events. They also mention a new comic about the Bavarian Illuminati, presented in an engaging and easy-to-understand format. The text ends with a promotion for their podcast and a rap about their work.
Transcript
Nobody’s enjoy the show. Hello, welcome to the Occult Disney podcast. It’s where we look into all of the worlds of animation, including Disney, and find the secrets inside. Sorry, I got like a do doom, like a notice, like right in the middle of that and my brain exploded. So that is the thing, though. Do you have that on your computer where the notices just come up? It doesn’t record in a podcast like this, but you’re like, ah, where am I? You know, it just resets reality for a second every time. I just find the thing that says never do this again to me.
Okay. Anyway, I just reset reality, which is cool because that’s what we do in the occult land. This is Matt here. Hi, Thomas there. You’re already in. You’re talking. This video will self destruct in 30 seconds. We got to give it an hour and a half. We got to get. This video will self destruct in 90 minutes, give or take. Yes. Yes. That sounds about right. It is the incredibles today, which we are chasing this. Didn’t realize this until this morning. It’s like, oh, we just defining Nemo now. We’re doing the incredibles, which we’re generally chronological or a little out of order here.
So I’m checking what Disney product came out between the two. Okay, brother Bear, decent. We’ve been decent about this. We’ve had a couple big jumps, but the biggest jumps we’ve done so far was to keep all the studio Ghibli’s kind of together so that we could do them in a block. If anyone cares, it’s Brother Bear, teacher’s pet in home on the range. Brother Bear, of which we haven’t done quite yet. But there aren’t. There’s not a lot of space between finding Nemo and the Incredibles in actuality. And I am looking at the dates and I am realizing this is actually the first Pixar I probably did not see in a movie theater because it came out.
It would have been my first year in Japan and I wouldn’t have seen it because it would have been dubbed only because animation in Japan, they just don’t subtitle it, like, 99% of the time, so. And I distinctly remember downloading this movie from direct Connect DC in the early two thousands for my uncle. And I was like the hero because I don’t think it had even been released yet. And everyone was talking about wanting to see it, but, like, didn’t want to go to the movies. And anyways, yeah, this was, I distinctly remember this as being like one of my, my height of noble, sort of like Robin Hood style piracy.
That makes sense because you were saying that for finding Nemo, which is the highest selling, like, animated dvd ever, I think. And then incredibles is like the highest selling of 2005. So, you know, Pixar in the mid nineties, nineties, mid two thousands was definitely sort of the gold standard of home media at the time, all that sort of stuff. It was novel. It was very novel. Like, even if you didn’t know what to expect going in, a lot of people were going to see it just to see how far this type of animation had come so far.
And I don’t know if that happens as much now in 2024. Is that, like, an old person thing to say? But it almost felt like part of the draw of going to see Disney animation up until even around this time was to be like, oh, I wonder what their new techniques are. How clean is it going to be? How convincing is all the animation going to look? And it definitely transitioned from two d to three d, but it still comes with part of that. I guess the other good example would be Avatar, right? Avatar also marketed itself as come see how far we’ve come in CGI and all of the bells and whistles that I guess cinema has to offer.
Watching this one, though, because we did an emo last week, and I was like, I still like the movie a lot. It still looks good for the most part, but I could definitely see the seams in the animation 20 years down the line. I’d say less so with the incredibles, even now that they’re doing humans, which is supposed to be more difficult to do in CGI back then, at least, right? Well, I guess maybe as a rough unofficial scale of grading the cg and the 3d quality, I’d say little Nemo was maybe at like a PS three, and the Incredibles is maybe at a PS four, maybe bump those down one, but give or take a generation of PlayStation.
Yeah, I can see that. That sounds about right. This one does have a little more of a timeless feel, I guess this. I was looking at the production history of this, and it is kind of a weird one, directed by Brad Bird, who at this point is kind of an outsider at Pixar. And they gave him a whole movie, which you’re kind of like, that’s a little weird, but get dirt on someone. I’m calling. Yeah, you know, five years earlier, he’d made the iron giant. That was for Warner Brothers, not Disney, so we didn’t cover it.
But that was a massive commercial flop and major critical hit. So somehow that got him into the world of John Laster’s orbit, where this movie actually was made largely with the same animators that did iron giant. All of them having to change from two D to three D, and a lot of them seeming happy about it. I don’t know much about the process of animation, but apparently once you just have 3d models and you can turn your virtual camera around, at least made Brad bird happy to do that. So, yeah, I mean, when it comes to the person putting the pencil to the paper and doing the actual illustrations, there might be a little bit more involved of transitioning from two d to three d.
But if you’re already in more of like a meta aspect of that, where you’re directing and you’re sort of delegating and you’re understanding the movement and how the characters need to be conveyed and all the scenes and stuff, the transition from two d to three d is really nothing that horrible. And in fact, it’s a nightmare for some, and it’s sort of like a paradise for others because you do exactly as you mentioned, have the ability to be like, hey, let’s actually spin that camera around a little bit slower, or let’s do this with the camera.
And now the production managers, they have way more control than ever before because previously there was a huge cost associated with saying, actually, let’s move the camera down 2ft. Let’s get this at below a certain height or a different perspective, because that means you’re throwing out work that had happened and now you just got to throw out renders. There’s a huge line in the sand here where they have way more liberty to make these changes and suggest things that normally be off the table. Yeah. One interesting thing with the early Pixar is kind of along those lines is they were the only movies where you could feel kind of okay watching them in full frame because, you know, people didn’t have widescreen tvs that 2004 yet and they would actually adjust, readjust everything for the full frame so it’s not just pan and scan, you would.
They would just move everything closer and reanimate it, I guess. Reanimate. That sounds well. And the other cool thing too, I guess, depending on your perspective. But like, they can re render the entire movie with different languages so it’s not overdubbed. Like, the lips move correctly with all the new dialogue. And that’s something also that you can’t even really do in live action movies or even in 2d. It’s not quite as easy. You can still do it, but in 3d, if you’ve got the mouth rigged properly, as long as you’ve got a transcript that you can provide to it.
Now you just re render every scene and it’s in everyone’s native language and there’s no feeling like it’s been adopted into your culture, into your language, all the way down to if they really want, so they can swap out assets. I know we’re just talking about 3d in general here, but the incredibles and Nemo, I think, are good examples of that. I think some of them, they did get re renders depending on the language that the market it was being sent to. I could have sworn Toy Story is one of those. Oh, probably. I mean, maybe that’s one of the reasons that films rarely get shown subtitled.
I mean, animated films rarely get shown and subtitle in Japan because it’s. Well, we got the japanese render. It’s fine. Everything’s great. Let’s roll. I mean, they’re like, mostly kids are going to watch this, so they don’t want to read the subtitles. That’s kind of the line of thinking. I believe in 2024. That’s changing now, too, though, because now it’s incredibly easy to use AI to change, especially if it’s the same person just changing how their mouth is moving. So I feel like the, the dub game is going to completely be revolutionized in the next few years.
Yeah. I don’t know, maybe living in Japan, I hope some people still want to be like, here’s the original, here’s the original translation, blah, blah. Because I want to keep. I want to. Yeah, I like going to a theater. Here’s a question. I’m not sure to what degree you can answer, actually, but I mean, I read a lot of film books and things like that. I have a handle on how live action directors work. I really don’t know what the job of directing a 2d or 3d animated movie actually entails. You know, because I’m thinking of someone on set talking to their production design.
You know, they go over, fix the lights, talk to the actors, that sort of thing. Like what, what exactly does it mean to direct an animated film? Well, so, for example, if you were to say an art director, because there’s all different directors and, like, I guess the. The just straight up director role. That’s what I’m asking. I’d like to make more sense what an art director is doing to me than what the director is doing. Right. Well, I mean, just, just think about it. You just go one step up in the hierarchy. The director directs the art director and the music director and the all the other directors.
Like, he directs directors. But one of the things that’s usually implied, that’s not always the case. But usually an art director is capable of doing nearly everything that anyone under him is capable of doing. So if he needed to, he could step in, like, you know, move and, like, draw the thing or do the thing the way that they envision it, almost as, like, any kind of a lead role, like a managerial role. But then the director doesn’t necessarily have that same thing. Like, they can’t do what the art director can do in terms of getting down and actually drawing and doing the sound design.
They should be very familiar with it, but they do know how to art direct. They just might not have to do the art part, but they can do the direct part. So that’s always kind of been my experience is that the straight up director is way more of a managerial role, even in, like, a creative environment like, Disney, just because you don’t necessarily have all the time in the world to get down and dirty and have creative opinions. Now, that said, there’s been plenty of times when I’ve seen, not on the best projects, but where I’ve seen, like, a director or like, an associate producer.
In some cases, the producers have even more of a nebulous role, but they’re usually the ones that make sure that you contact and hire the right people. And if there’s a problem with payroll and they figure out, like, they’re just, like, nonstop problem solvers constantly. It’s almost like an engineer in a recording studio. You’d be surprised to find that, like, yeah, they do engineering, but a lot of the time, they’re just, like, finding out why, like, a buzz is coming from somewhere, like, where the cable thing or why this thing isn’t routed. Like, things that aren’t necessarily in the job description, but are incredibly vital to keeping a project on.
On pace. So, like, the producers have part of that role, the directors have part of that role, but they all have this weird dynamic where you’ll. They’ll have, like, external influences. Like, one of the worst examples is we had an associate producer on a project. Everything’s good. Everyone loves it. He loves it. Everyone’s getting sign off, and then they bring it home and they show it to their eight year old niece or something. And the niece is like, I don’t like that. She was wearing a purple dress. I think it should have been yellow. And then all of a sudden, you’re changing your schedule around.
You’re canceling and rescheduling meetings to make this dress yellow. And everyone knows that. You know, like, oh, this isn’t a great idea. But since, you know, you’re higher up, since you’ve got that production role or whatever, director probably would not do that because it looks bad on the director and the pub and the producer, if it starts running off the rails. But those associate directors, those associate producers, man, they’ve. They’re the ones that are just like, oh, yeah, a little bird flew by, and it was like, hey, we shot a bird in this scene. I think I’ve brought this up before.
We used to call it, like, a perp. It was like, the purple sweater syndrome or something. It was named after that guy’s stupid niece. Purple’s better anyway. Yeah, it just. It’s interesting. Look at how the dynamics and the roles change. Like tv now, it’s the producers pretty much in the chair. You know, they’re the showrunner, and the director’s a hired hand. Right, right. And the directors are very often people that are in the show. They’ll cycle through, like, the top billing cast, and everyone gets a shot to direct an episode or two, which I think is kind of cool.
And it’s. And I guess in live action, it’s a little bit more obvious. But, like, the director will tend to buddy up next to whatever they really want to do. So a lot of the time, it’s more obvious when the director wants to buddy up to the director of photography. Right? Because, like, now, all of a sudden, they’re the ones that are deciding where all the shots are going to be. Stanley Kubrick would be a really great example where if you see any of the behind the scenes footage of Stanley Kubrick, he’s always got a camera lens, like, in front of his eye.
Like, there’s rarely. Does he not have this whole camera lens setup. And he had a whole custom little thing so that he could look through the exact lens that he wanted to shoot a scene in. And we’d just constantly be taking looks from all these different perspectives and angles. I don’t know if everyone can be equated to Stanley Kubrick for obvious reasons. Right. But that was, like, his version of being a director was being an expert on everything. Like the. Like, literally everything in the entire. He probably dictated, like, what the room smelled like, even though they were like, Stanley, smell o vision isn’t out yet.
The CIA won’t let us release it. And he’s like, that’s okay. I still need to make these notes. I was trying to think of the first smell o vision. Is that polyester? You get the card, you scratch and sniff. Might be. I’m not sure. Is it the real thing that you went to the theater and you got a scratch and sniff that you’d smell at circles? There’s been a few movies for that. Spy kids all the time in the world, I believe, did that. Really? Yeah, yeah. Occasionally they’ll do the scratches, sniff card. But, yeah, I guess Disney does the real smell o vision.
You go and ride soaring, and they’re pumping in. Right. Smells. That was the only example is that when I’ve gone to Disney World, they’ve got smell. And even the alien encounter thing, they would put. They would intentionally pump in certain smells, even on universal studios, the King Kong ride. I came from tation. Well, not just banana breathe, but the subway ambiance. They would pipe in, like, hydraulic smell, urine smell? Yeah, like, pump it in from the bathroom. They just pump it in from the actual bathrooms and make it smell. But, yeah, I mean, again, the olfactory sense is one of the most triggering.
So the fact that it’s so underutilized, too, in movies and media consumption, we still don’t really have smell o vision. But it’s crazy, because smell O vision would actually elevate things to such a higher level that it has to be more of, like, a practicality thing. They do have the 40 x movies. I have not been to one. I’m pretty sure you haven’t because you don’t like the theater. But those are where you’re basically getting into a, you know, a theme park ride chair for your movie and seeing a spraying water in your face. I think some sensor involved.
Okay, you’ve done them. Okay. I have not. There was a place called the Newseum in Washington, DC, for a while, and they closed within the last ten years. But they had a. A whole series of different. And often you’ll go to, like, a museum that’s been retrofitted with some modern stuff. They’ll typically have some kind of a 4D experience. I’m a fan of them. If it’s, like, there’s nothing else to do in the stupid museum. And also, those 4D movies that I’m used to are more like 20 minutes experiences and not necessarily, like, a two hour experience.
I don’t know how I would feel about, like, 3 hours of Batman v. Superman. I don’t know, Mandy. So, yeah, I don’t want the. I don’t want the water getting sprayed in my face. And the other thing, I guess I was kind of thinking is just that question in the first place. I’m like, well, he goes from this. He does another Pixar, I believe it, then goes on and makes mission Impossible four, which is live action, right? So I’m like, how do those. And we were actually just watching that here last week. So. Yeah. Yeah. So I’m kind of directly comparing the two.
Well, I’ve got a whole other tangent that I won’t go too far on, but that I recently did a video breakdown with my friend PJ from Conspiracy pilled podcast, which you can go and probably check out on rumbles, I think, where most of their audience is at. But we had a whole breakdown of how the mission Impossible movie series are actually a soft disclosure of the information that Scientology got from when it infiltrated the CIA’s private records under Operation Snow White. And that even the very date in the first mission Impossible movie on this surveillance camera, as the movie opens up and they show this surveillance that they got, that’s the exact date in which Scientology lost the court case to suppress information that had come out about all of their deeds.
And it was kind of like a landmark case in that it was the first chink in the armor. It was the first time it was like, ah, water doesn’t always roll off your back, apparently. So anyways, there’s a fun thread there that the entire mission Impossible series is about the CIA, but it’s not about the CIA from the perspective of the CIA, but from the perspective of Scientology. Hence Tom Cruise being directly involved. And here I was thinking the whole series was just about Tom Cruise not having friends. I mean, that too. But you can’t have friends if you’re, like, a CIA agent, right? Because now you’re all in danger constantly.
Oh, no, I’m talking about Tom Cruise, not his character, Ethan Hunt. Same difference. I would argue. Yeah. Yeah. Although Ford was kind of like, hey, if this doesn’t work, Jeremy Renner’s here and can take, you know, if Tom doesn’t want to do it again, here’s Jeremy Renner. Maybe he could be the, you know, the front guy. Never. Never. No. That actually was kind of the thought when they made for, like, this could be a soft reboot. Like, if Tom doesn’t want to do it anymore or something. We got this other guy now, you know, that that was kind of the point of him being in the movie.
Um, but he hasn’t gone clear, so I don’t think there’s any comparison. Yeah, yeah. I don’t know what’s up with Renner. He’s on an OTA. I don’t think he’s an OTA. Let’s. Let’s turn the dial backward just a little bit. Have you seen the iron giant? I’ll. I’ll say I have not, to be honest. So I probably saw it around the time that it came out, but not recently enough to speak on it. Okay. Saying, yeah, well, I haven’t seen it. Just. I’m just. It’s supposed to be. People still say it’s like, oh, it’s one of the best animated films ever, but I haven’t gotten around to it, so.
Oops, I go pick it up at store near here. But, yeah, it would be interesting to track from there to here to mission impossible four. And then I got to check what he made in between. Geez. I mean, better than Fritz the cat in cool world? I doubt it. Oh, yeah, of course. Nothing. Some people cite this as being the best fantastic four film. We have three, almost four of those now, and I guess that’s right, because aren’t the three Fantastic Four films basically unwatchable? Are we talking about the Incredibles is the best Fantastic Four film? Yes.
Yes. I don’t know. I don’t think that I can. I can’t see the Incredibles as Fantastic Four just because Fantastic Four has got so much more DNA in it than this particular premise. That said, I don’t think there’s ever been a good Fantastic Four movie. There’s been many attempts. I think they might even be on their third try, and third time might be the charm, but. Well, there was a sequel the first time, so it could be third. Okay, well, that one doesn’t count. Like, it has to be an official reboot, so. Yeah. Okay. I think the fourth time would probably be the charm on this.
Well, now it has the massive MCU backing, you know, Robert Downey junior strutting. It’ll at least have a good opening day, if nothing else. Yeah. I don’t even know if that helps. But then again, I mean, I grew up at a different time when the Punisher movie didn’t seem like it was anything about the Punisher. And then there was like, an Avengers movie, and that didn’t seem, and I don’t mean the british Avengers, even though that also was disappointing, thinking that you were going to see Marvel and it’s like Sean Connery with a, you know, doing british things.
Oh, yeah, sorry. Fantastic for 1994. We can’t forget that one. Ever seen that one? Yeah, that one doesn’t. I mean, I guess it kind of counts because it wasn’t one of those retrofitted Super Mario two movies where it was one thing and then they just changed it to be something that had more appeal. Like, that actually was supposed to be Fantastic Four. But I also remember the, the one that I think broke the, a little bit of ground and set a new trajectory was the first X Men movie, which was, I don’t know, 98, 99, maybe 2000.
Yeah. And even that one. I mean, it was, it was cheesy. It was bad. Still a little embarrassed to be a comic book movie, but even more because I remember it was not a controversial statement to say that the animated series was superior to the live action movie because they had, they were more true to a lot of the characters. And anyways, that, I think that that’s just another sort of aspect that goes into it. I never watched much of the animated series. One, I was aging out, and two, I’d read the Chris Claremont run of X Men, probably like multiple times.
And, you know, it was all like those storylines kind of, like, distilled into 30 minutes clumps. Right. So I was like, no, I want to stick with my comic books in that case. But it was a specific time. You can almost tell what generation of comic reader you were on, how much you gave a hell about Jubilee, because Jubilee was sort of like, you might have been old, like, too old to care about Jubilee. I would, well, I read about comic book Jubilee. She was around, I can tell you exactly. If for anyone that’s a hardcore comic book geek, I tapped out at executioner song, that’s where I stopped reading the comic book.
Okay, so, like, so wasn’t that strife and silver samurai the era, too, right around when, like, wolverine goes to Japan ironically, right? Come on. No. Oh, he went to Japan in the eighties, man. And then. But, yeah, the point is all the comic book talk does fit this movie because it is kind of a out of left field comic book movie. Just, there’s no comic. It was based on, I guess, as a thing, you have a blank slate, so you don’t have to like. Which parts of the X Men aesthetic are we going to put into this live action movie? Which parts are we not here? It’s like, start from scratch and make it mid century modern, which I’m a big fan of.
So I love goofy sixties design, weird fake wood paneling and all those sort of things which we get, you know, drowned in in this movie. So back when men were men, women were women, and everyone smelled like cigarettes. And there’s. I mean, aside from just having that aesthetic. But even as the movie starts out, it has that, like, 1960s school projector look to it. Like they’ve recorded some of these interviews, but even the interviews themselves clearly were recorded in the fifties or the sixties, as you see it. So it’s tapping into the golden years of the CIA, ultimately.
Yeah. Actually, that is an interesting thing. When is this movie set? I’m guessing about 1980, early eighties, probably, because their superhero run seems to be in the mid sixties, basically. That’s what I’m reading. I think incredibles two might actually set some dates on it, but I’ve only seen that movie once, shortly after it came out, so I don’t remember. I would almost think that it could have even been nineties because of the visor and the outfit that the only black guy, black superhero in the movie has. I don’t know. I guess, yeah, it could be an ambiguous eighties to nineties sort of time period.
Frozone got to get the name in there. Except for the family themselves. They definitely have. Well, no, elastigirl is fine, but what else? Bomb voyage. I had forgotten about that name. That’s wonderful. Dash. Isn’t that great a name? But, yeah, it’s fine. It’s fine. You got to have your super speedster, I guess so. I guess there are very specific archetypes and tropes when it comes to superheroes. Like, if you’re going to do the traditional superhero route, you got to have strength, stretch, invisibility, super speed. Like, these are just kind of the meat and potatoes of everything.
A little fire. We don’t get the fire here, but that’s fine. We only have four people. I don’t know. I guess Jack Jack can do anything he wants, right? So they keep that relatively vague. There is a short film, actually, Jack Jack attack, which shows what happens with the babysitter while they’re off on the syndrome layer or whatever. So that’s kind of a fun short that does dovetail nicely with the movie. This is maybe a golden age of Pixar shorts because that was good on the dvd. Bounden was the short that they showed with this. And then that’s kind of fun, I guess.
Did you watch Bounden at any point? I don’t even know what that is. I think it’s just a horse or something clumpy clomping around. It’s been a while since I watched. I did not watch it for this Disney movie. Yeah. So, like, I don’t know if Pixar still does this because I haven’t seen a Pixar movie in the theater since 2009, but they used to have the like, five minute short before all the Pixar movies, so. And then even. Was it Roger Rabbit or. It might have been honey, I shrunk the kid. One of those two movies had family dog before, which is one of my all time favorite pre movie shorts.
I know, and I think you’re complaining because I think they put a Roger rabbit cartoon before. Honey, I shrunk the kids. And then maybe Roger rabbit itself, they showed the family dog. You know, I don’t. Roger Rabbit was short before. Honey, I shrunk the kids. No, no, after Roger Rabbit, they made about three or four Roger Rabbit shorts. Okay. I don’t even remember that movies. Yeah, Roger Rabbit’s. I mean, we talked about it for what, 2 hours last year? But it is a weird time to talk about Roger Rabbit. I don’t care. It is like, like I was listening people talk about the ride, the Toontown spin, and they’re kind of like, does Disney just not know what to do with Jessica Rabbit now? You know, because Disney’s just become so, like, sexually sterile, you know? What do you do with Jessica Rabbit? You pretend that she doesn’t exist.
It’s not her fault. She was just drawn that way. Also, really quick fun trivia fact. But the Roger rabbit, what was it? Toontown spin ride in LA, in Disneyland. I think it was in Disney World. It is the site of one of the most gruesome in park deaths ever recorded. We did talk about that. I remember somebody got caught under one of the little cars and it just turned him into a crayon. Yeah. And I guess we probably mentioned in that episode too, that they’ve covered up Jessica rabbit animatronic. She’s now wearing a yellow raincoat and the LA version of the ride.
Whereas in Tokyo, she still, you know, is wearing her. Yeah, she’s dressed and coming out of the back of the. In Japan. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yes. But, yeah, we’re getting incredible incredibles. They have an incredible coaster, I guess, but they don’t have, like, a proper dark ride, which this does seem like it would make sense to have a nice dark ride, you know, unless there’s one like Shanghai or something I don’t know about, which could be the case. So this particular IP came out way after I was caring as much about Disney, for sure. And I haven’t kept up on the incredibles storyline just because I had my own superheroes that I grew up with.
But there’s definitely a whole generation that might have grown up with this as their entry point into the concept of superheroes. And I just wonder if this has any lasting ip whatsoever. I know there’s been a sequel. Isn’t there even another one that’s supposed to be coming out? Incredibles. Disney has now just make sequels of everything. So probably do not try something new. We are falling down the slippery slope of nobody caring about our movie. So give them frozen three. I will say, if we’re taking votes for any reason, I’m pro incredibles because in the first three minutes of this movie, we’ve got a shootout, which you don’t really see in Disney movies ever.
And I don’t even know if we would see another one. Maybe this was just the tail end of a horrible, violent period in american history. But it’s. Sometimes it’s refreshing to see actual guns being used and shooting, like, criminals shooting guns at cops and vice versa in a Disney movie. It just makes it feel like it’s part of more of a real world. And I guess some people go to Disney movies to be transported away to, like, a magical kingdom. But sometimes you got to see Oliver and friends, right? Sometimes you got to see aristocrats or aristocats.
I mean, most people still see, like, a James Bond movie as a form of escapism. I guess this is at an interesting juncture point where that the, you know, the James Bond sort of thing is still considered to be the big budget, class film, but superheroes are just starting to get a little bit popular. Iron man still, what, four years in the future? So it’s kind of a weird gray area where they do. I mean, that’s maybe it’s stroke of genius. Let’s mix the old with the new, because that’s where this kind of movie is at the moment.
Well, if you think especially when it comes to cinema or just like pop culture waves, if you think in terms of 30 years, which is typically a generation. So if this is getting popular, in 2004, just. Just the initial scratch of the X Men movie came out, and then four years later, the incredible Spider Man’s out by this point, too. So Spider man comes out, and that one actually is incredible success. Right. But this is roughly 30 years after this new wave of Marvel around, like, the mid seventies to eighties, I guess, as Dazzler made her way out.
And if people don’t know who Dazzler is, but it was like a disco inspired character that was very much a product of their time. It was almost like if they were a dubstep, you know, superhero, it would just be there for a time too, because, you know, she starts off looking like super disco, and by the eighties, she’s kind of like, you know, glam MTV star. Right? Well, she was supposed to be Donna Summer, but they. Someone was like a little too dark. We need to lighten her up. But. But Dazzler, I believe, was originally modeled directly off Donna Summer.
That would track for sure. Although maybe the bet. Well, this movie was very successful, but it was not in the ballpark of finding Nemo before it and cars after it. So this flavor wasn’t quite as appealing as, you know, say, cars, which I think this is a much better movie than cars. Cars is kind of considered to be Pixar’s first artistic. Not stumble, but at, you know, like, they lost the step maybe there. Yeah, yeah. Let’s not get too ahead of ourselves, because I’ve got plenty of opinions on cars, but, yeah, just because the baby food version of steak or, you know, rice peel off sells better than real rice Pilaf doesn’t necessarily mean it’s better in any way.
Okay, that’s a good. That’s a great analogy. There you were noticing the movie opening, the shootout, which didn’t track with me, but what tracked with me is the whole opening of this is kind of like Watchmen Light, which, you know, that’s like kind of the darkest of superhero comic books. And, you know, them being banned, sued out of existence as superheroes. I was going to even go with boys, which is maybe even darker than watchmen. Watchmen is like eighties dark, but boys is like two thousands dark. Right. And I don’t know if you’ve even watched any of the recent boys.
I haven’t seen any of the boys be read the boys. No, I haven’t. That’s a pretty blind spot for me. I certainly know about it. I know how dark it’s supposed to get. But, yeah, that’s why I’m still like watchmen, because I haven’t spent time with the boys yet. So watchmen is probably a better analogy for the incredibles, because the watchmen is that society has gotten fed up, in a general sense, with superheroes in the boys. It almost takes it a step further. Let’s say society is sick of superheroes a la watchmen, but they keep doing stuff.
And not only are they doing stuff, but now all this collateral damage is really starting to affect people. So, you know, collateral damage like Superman throws a car out of the way to make sure it doesn’t hit a baby, but you don’t see that the car lands on, like, someone’s parents elsewhere. So now all of a sudden, you’ve got this orphaned kidde that grows up with a chip on his shoulder. All he wants to do is take down Superman because their parents were part of collateral damage. I think this was even one of the subplots in the Smallville series.
There was a character that went down this route, but the boys just takes that to the extent where now all of a sudden, normal people are becoming vigilantes, which is kind of the premise of the incredibles two. This first movie where they’ve got. But this guy that he wants to basically be incrediboy, this is buddy Pines. But Mister incredible doesn’t want a sidekick, so he keeps kind of rebuking this poor little kid, and then he ends up becoming a vigilante, like a normal abled, non superhero vigilante that has made it his mission to take down superheroes because of how they’ve dismissed them.
And we should mention, especially in adult form, he is based on director Brad Bird, apparently. So he’s putting himself in the movie as the villain with a chip on, so redhead with freckles. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They were modeling him after. After Brad, so I don’t think Brad did the voice. Oh, of course Brad didn’t do the voice. Voice was Jason Lee. Was it? Have a quick look at that cast. Oh, I’m looking at casting. Voice cast. Jason Lee. Yes. Jason Lee. So coming off all those Kevin Smith movies. Yeah, this is. My name is Earl. Jason Lee, who is a professional skateboarder, I believe.
Correct. He could have a third run, I guess, of career at this point. I don’t know. I haven’t seen him in a while. Might have been in Tony Hawk. Yeah, he needs to come back. Was it like David Arquette and just start doing wwe? Yeah, sure, why not? Although I guess he’d probably do the skating stuff. That would make more sense. But what was it? Oh, yeah, I remember back in the day, they. Maybe it could show up now. Maybe that’s what Tarantino can do for his 10th film. There’s always the talk. Well, there could be a kill Bill sequel when the, you know, Uma Thurman kills whatever her name is, and the daughter’s there, and they’re like, the sequel would be like, 1520 years later, right when she comes to get her revenge.
It would be great if Quentin Tarantino’s last movie was a Pixar movie. There was a talk for I was gonna be a Star Trek movie, although that’s now fallen through the floor. But that would have been interesting. I don’t know if that would have been good, but that would have been interesting for sure. Well, would you think a Seth MacFarlane star Trek would be any good? That turned out to be pretty good. I did Orville. Yeah. Yeah. Back. I think the Orville is probably better in 90% of new Trek, so. Right on. Let’s see. Look through here.
Oh, I guess as we start to look through concepts, there’s definitely this movie tried to give us a very specific. The government is shoving you under the rug. You know, the witness protection program thing, which is made to seem here, you know, to be, like, mind crushing, soul crushing, and depressing. So that’s kind of interesting take. I don’t know. Maybe Mister incredible is just not zen enough. He needs to, you know, find a new hobby or something, which he does, but it’s just his old job again, so. Well, it’s. It’s a literal interpretation of the Ubermensche meets on Rand, where basically you’ve got an actual Ubermensch, you have an actual superhero, right? Mister incredible, that can do all these incredible things, but he’s being forced by mediocre society to sort of, like, limit himself, because normal society looks upon anything that is superior to itself as basically with contempt.
Right? So, like, this kind of plays out where now he drives a tiny little car that he can barely fit in. He has to be an insurance adjuster, and even in his role as insurance adjuster, he knows that his directive is to screw people over every way that he can. And now his superpower is kind of telling people how to fill out their insurance claims so that they won’t get denied. So, like, it shows that he’s still trying to, like, do good in this world, but it’s the government, and it’s society itself that’s not letting him do anything.
And it’s. It really is almost out of, like a. Like a jealousy or like a fear of the unknown. But I think that this also kind of plays around with. They are also intelligence operatives, right? Like, the incredibles are basically CIA agents. So this is also almost like a pro CIA movie. This is like, oh, come on, we’re so good at what we do. Don’t neuter us. Don’t. Don’t prevent any of this from happening, which is kind of that mid century modern era that was when they had carte blanche, they had free reign. The church committee hearings had not really happened yet, which is also roughly a 30 year span.
That’s that one generation, right? Like, I think 74 or something. Paperclip guys are good at design, right? Well, paperclip would have been the era in which we originally see the characters as they’re doing those initial interviews, and they’re, like, brand new in the game because this gets a little bit deep. But some people, hopefully a lot of people have heard about COInTelPRO. Have you heard about Cointelpro, keep? Yes, but I couldn’t do the talk you’re doing myself. So the COInTElPro was the FBI’s program about sort of squashing protests and civil rights movements and any sort of civil protest movements that were going on in any capacity, anti war, any of them.
The FBI had this cOInTElPrO, and I believe one of their claims of in fame, not fame, I guess, was getting dirt on Martin Luther King Junior and maybe even blackmailing him and telling him to do horrible things to himself or else dot, dot, dot. Well, the FBI’s version that because the FBI is the intelligence part of the government that operates domestically, like, amongst our own. Right. Like, they go after Americans. Typically, the CIA is kind of supposed to be like the FBI, except they have global and international reach, and they’re not technically supposed to work domestically because we’ve got ATF, DEA, you know, FBI, like all these other organization are supposed to do domestically.
Well, why am I even bringing any of this up? What does it have to do with incredibles? Well, that’s because FBI’s COINTelPrO is fairly has. It’s been mentioned in more media and more documentaries, and I guess it’s a little bit easier to come across. But there was a CIA counterpart that happened at the same time as FBI COINTELPRO that was also run domestically, which is atypical for the CIA to admit that they did domestic programs and it was called Project Chaos, I believe. And Project Chaos was of similar nature. It was squash any sort of uprisings here domestically, and maybe trace them to outside the country, which I think was just their foot in the door to be like, oh, technically we’re allowed to spy on our own people because it’s international concerns.
The reason I’m bringing this up is because this is precisely what the in the Incredibles movie is about. Incredibles movie. As you watch it, they make it seem like, oh, there’s a guy robbing a bank. Oh, there’s someone that’s going to jump off a building. Oh, they’re like, a train’s about to go off of this bridge. So they’re just constantly saving people. But really, what the actual version of project chaos would be is sending CIA agents out to just quell anyone that was, hey, hey, there’s a bridge that’s out. I’m going to protest this bridge being out.
The CIA wouldn’t send someone to fix the bridge. They would send someone to take out the guy that’s like, hey, this bridge is broken. And. And as I’m watching the incredibles, that’s what I’m thinking is, like, these are all placeholders. When mister. And when Mister incredible saves the dude from jumping out of the window, and he, like, pushes him into the building, and coincidentally, that ends up being the thing that gets people to start suing all of the superheroes is because he saves this guy that was trying to take himself out, but. But that is actually a stand in for what they were really doing, which was pushing people off of buildings.
Like that guy falling. That was probably Frank Olsen of MkUltra. You gotta bring him up. Oh, absolutely. Although you could also say that the incredibles, in the sixties or seventies or whatever it was, they could have been like the smokescreen, because a couple superheroes can do really impressive things that people would notice, and meanwhile, your 100 other agents are doing whatever while you’re distracting the masses. Look over there. Yeah, exactly. The incredibles could be there. Look over there. And then, oh, they saved a baby or something. That’s great. You know, until it was. Until they got sued.
That’s where the whole thing broke down. And maybe at that point, you know, the CIA doesn’t need the distraction anymore. So, I mean, they don’t. In the real world, at least in terms of superheroes, they don’t. So, yeah, I guess in my mind, the time span in which the incredibles are growing up, like, when we see those original interviews, that’s probably the transition of OSS to CIA, which I think is 1947. I think OSS was 1942. Five years later, 1947. And the. The guy that’s in charge of this project chaos, I think this is kind of the dude that they.
The incredibles. They sit down and they meet with him in the back of the limo, which kind of looks like the limo that maybe JFK got taken out of. But anyways, they drive around this stretch, black limo, talking to this guy, and I think that he’s supposed to be modeled after Deep Throat, the actual deep throat, because that guy, which. There’s been many different claims as to who deep Throat was. And in case I’m losing you, this is a reference to the Richard M. Nixon impeachment and the Watergate scandal. And, oh, yeah, I’ve read the book.
I watched the movie. But for other people. For other people. So Deep Throat is the alleged person that broke the story, the insider that gave the whole thing up for their own political reasons, probably, but there’s a lot of theories from this one book called Catherine the Great. But they proposed that there’s this guy, Richard Ober, who was Deep Throat, and Richard Ober was the guy that was in charge of project chaos, which was the CIA’s version of FBI’s, Cohen’s help pro, who was directly connected. A lot of the JFK assassination stuff and all this. But what I think is interesting about this is that he worked directly with LBJ.
I think he was appointed by LBJ to head up this project chaos thing, but he gets his own office in the White House. So this isn’t even, like, super covert behind closed doors and secret caverns kind of thing. Like, he has an actual desk right there in the White House itself, which is the closest endorsement of the. What, the sitting president telling the CIA. Yes. Spy on domestic people, have domestic operations here in the country, even though that you’re CIA. And that is the closest correlation that I’ve kind of got that lines up with the time period that we’re talking about, because project chaos allegedly stopped in around 74, which just also coincidentally coincides with the church committee hearings in which it became public.
So, of course, everything that became public, they were like, oh, no, we stopped doing that last night. That’s crazy that you just brought it up. We. We just stopped. You know what I mean? Never mind the parts we redacted. Never mind. There’s an incredibles part two that comes out. That’s not soft disclosure. Don’t worry about it. Yeah. Although I guess that is a president that would distract people with his johnson. So isn’t he one of the guys that would, like, have press conferences on the toilet was that lbjdeheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheh. Yeah. He just. He would like. I guess he was really into measuring contests because he’d whip it out all the time, apparently, which kind of weird presidential move.
But, hey, you know, and when they’re in the elites, there’s lots of weird traditions, I suppose. If you helped take down a sitting president, wouldn’t you just be flopping it out all the time? Be like, dude, come on. I took out jfa and I got away with it. Look at this thing. I’m the press now. It’s me. So that’s neither here nor there. But let’s see. Yeah. For that first part of the movie, they do have the. The fantastic quote, like, what new ways to celebrate mediocrity. So I had to write that one down. Well, and another thing, too, that goes on the same analogy, that they’re just CIA agents, which I don’t even think you have to look into.
This isn’t even an occult deco. This is just literally the premise of the actual movie. Well, in the MCU now, that literally is the Avengers. Now, the. Aren’t the Avengers technically, at some point there, yeah, they got the Illuminati, like, council giving them orders and stuff. Right? I mean, they don’t. It’s not like this stuff is even covert in the movies now. Right? It’s pretty much on the table. Well, and the part that I think is interesting in the incredibles, in part of this, like, disclosure, is that when they have to stop going out and taking out citizens, because the church committee hearings happen, so now they have to go back and just do paperwork.
But that’s literally what happens, right? They take the agents out of the field, they put them inside of a big building somewhere behind the desk, and now they’re just doing paperwork and traversing this Kafka esque labyrinth of red tape. And that’s exactly what they have Mister incredible doing. Is he an insurance adjuster? He’s basically this neutered CIA agent that’s no longer allowed to operate in the field and has to kind of do it from behind a desk. Have you heard of a movie called the lives of others? It’s a german movie. No? Came out about 2006.
It was the first dramatic german movie to deal with a Stasi. In East Germany. I have been there. I’ve actually been to the Stasi headquarters. Oh, okay. But, yeah, it’s about a guy that’s supposed to spy on a playwright because his boss basically wants to hook up with the playwright’s girlfriend. Not because the playwright is doing anything against the state, but he starts to like these people and starts ignoring things. But of course he’s got people spying on him, because then everyone spies, and everyone is Dotsian. You know, it’s the incredibles version, except it’s, oh, he’s got a suburban life.
It’s fine. He’s doing insurance where this movie just makes it depressing that the guy is basically sent to the basement steam and open envelopes. He’s now opening envelopes with steam. That’s his new job. Right? Because he didn’t do his spying well enough, which could kind of be this, too, but it’s made like, oh, it’s America. They’re trying to. You know, he’s in this, like, existentially boring life, but, ah, they got him set up. It’s fine, right? And it’s like, well, I don’t know. They crushed his soul still, which, in the lives of others, it’s like, yes, his soul has been crushed, right? But he’s.
But he’s not a regular citizen. He is an actual Ubermensch. Right? So he, like, he’s this caged bird in a way, of potential. And it’s also my favorite aspect of the whole movie, I guess, which is it’s harder to rant about this particular part for hours and hours, but I think it’s deserving of it. But it’s ultimately society that causes this problem. It’s not even the government in the context of the incredibles movie, right? It’s the people that are getting saved. See this as a quick way to make a buck, because there’s a loophole in the system that they’re allowed to sue these superheroes for all these things that go wrong.
And I guess the superheroes, because they are CIA agents, literally, the people are indirectly suing the government itself. So the government, in response, just says, okay, no more superheroes. Like, you’re not. You’re not allowed to have your life saved anymore because you’re going to sue us if we save your life. So it’s like the inverse of the final Seinfeld episode, right? Well, this is a pre Disney plus world. Disney’s figured it out now they can’t get sued anymore. When you die, Star, you’ve signed up for Disney plus hey, I’ve never signed up for Disney. Plus, I’m good to go.
No, there’s got to be. Got to be another loophole somewhere. The lawyers pirate Disney movies? I didn’t say that. That’s what. Something that I heard. I’m repeating. Well, let’s move a little deeper into the film, I guess so. Of course, Mister incredible just gets his mojo back somewhat, loses some weight, lies to his wife, all of that sort of stuff gets a costume. This movie has infiltrated my subconscious, though, because I wrote several times Edna head, which is just a mishmash of the inspiration and the character in the movie. So are you a costume guy? Maybe that’s why you didn’t like the first X Men movie so much.
Costumes are crap. Yeah, actually. Yeah. Now that you pointed out, it did bug me quite a bit. And, in fact, almost all superhero movies up until Iron Mandy were all really kind of cheesy looking, like they never really had quite a superhero look. And, in fact, and I know we’re. We might as well just talk about a bunch of different superheroes. That’s literally what incredibles is. But the Daredevil series, I think it was a Netflix thing originally. That was one of the first times that I saw a outfit that looked kind of accurate to the original version you saw in comic books that didn’t look totally cheesy.
Say the daredevil movie with Ben Affleck and the Electra with Jennifer Gardner and all the. Like they tried, but there was something about it. It just didn’t look right. Like the fits weren’t right, or it was a weird combination of CGI and not CGI, but this one, you know, it’s. I guess it’s serviceable. Maybe it helped that Daredevil went the first season with him not wearing a costume. If you remember, he’s just running around in black. And so all the fight scenes were very dark, which. Which makes sense, though, because it’s a nod to, like, him being blind.
So it works in a bunch of ways, and they would happen in, like, tight quarters, too. Yeah. But he doesn’t get that costume till the end of season one, if I remember correctly, so, yeah, I think you’re right. Yeah, they had extra time to work it out, so that’s nice. But, yeah, I guess this is the first time. It is a weird thing. I think Pixar is in this weird gray area where they’re raking in the bucks and getting everyone to come see their movies because it’s, like, in a weird space somewhere closer to live action movies.
Right? Again, adults are going to see this where they’re probably. Well, nobody went to see home on the range, right. As we learned a few weeks ago. So this is. Everyone’s going to see it. It kind of has the prestige of a proper blockbuster, which is kind of the hat trick Pixar is pulling off around this time. Well, one of the notes that I made as I was watching this is like, wow, this is almost like a real movie. Like, it feels less like a Disney movie. It’s got plot points that kind of had me engaged quite a bit.
I didn’t even necessarily hate that. It’s also one of the longer, non Ghibli bit movies. I think this one came out to, like a minute or an hour and 115. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That’s right. I. But there is something to. Once you start doing proper comic book suits, sometimes the superhero costume is more powerful than the superpowers. My exhibit is from the new mutant cipher, who gets shot quickly in the new Mutants comic book. I could have sworn you were going to bring up Blank man. Oh, that’s. I’m sure I should have seen that movie, but I have not seen Blank man.
You have not seen Blank Mandez? I know I should have seen Blank man, but I missed the window. I’m sad to say. It’s one of those movies that does not hold up over time. But if you saw it within four years or so of it coming out, it really was something special. Well, I just rewatched Spice World and got that dopamine hit from that, so that’s one that we’re. I don’t think you. I think you had to have watched it within probably one year of its release. You know, if you can. If you can transport your back to when Blank man came out, which I think was kind of height of.
In living color. Yeah, it was like nine, seven nine. Yeah, that’s why. Yeah, yeah. Last boy scout, I think, had come out, Marlon Wayans had. Had done. Not Marlon, but the older one that he had started doing, like, serious movies, too. But, yeah. Highly recommend, Planck man. Yes. Fun Marlin fact that we learned recently he was going back and forth between the sets of Dungeons and Dragons 2000 and Requiem for a dream. They were filming at about the same time. So I don’t know if anyone’s seen Dungeons and Dragons 2000. You don’t need to, though. You should look up dungeons and Dragons 2000 and Jeremy irons just to watch the Jeremy irons scenes because those are amazing.
He’s just screaming gibberish. As dramatically as he can. I’m trying to think of a requiem for a dream incredibles tie here, but maybe it’s just too dark to go. But yeah. One of the few movies that I legitimately feel like I have to take a shower after I’ve seen it. There’s something that it just does that makes me feel like a complete dirty person. But, yeah, I just wanted to do some costume talk here. I thought that was probably worth. This is a good cinematic place to start noticing it because it’s the first time they’re willing to put stupid comic book stuff, like you said, unfiltered onto the screen.
Spider man being a weird outlier. I think Spider man got most of it, probably because. Oh, it’s Sam Raimi, of course. He’s doing that kind of the excuse of the time. Spider man got a pass too, because they had. They broke the mold. They were like, one of the first ones that didn’t do it. Super cheesy. Like they. And they were. It was fairly accurate to the original side. I can’t remember was they didn’t do Marisa Tomei in the first. No, there’s MCU one. So there’s the tom Holland one. It was old lady aunt May. Right? I forget who.
Yeah, that’s the funny thing. Aunt May keeps getting younger in each iteration because in the one, it’s Sally Field. Right. I’m not going to argue. I get it, but it’s not canon. And I just remember Uncle Ben because he keeps showing up in Twilight Zone episodes I watch. So he liked to hang out in the twilight Zone. Oh, God, why is this. There is a point in here, too. So I’m not the demographic. Despite being a comic book publisher and obsessed with comic books, I kind of don’t like spandex superhero comics. Even when I was younger, I always thought the cooler episodes of X Men was just like Wolverine wearing, like, a jacket and jeans and just like, omega.
Yeah, like. Or even. I guess even the japanese versions and stuff. But I. But, so for that reason, the Incredibles movie, I don’t like the really cheesy, very predictable spandex superhero outfits. Although I guess from, like, an aesthetic point of view, you can just see it out of the corner of your eye for a fraction of a second and realize, oh, superhero. Yes. I mean, it’s. And, you know, they’re all iconed up. I do actually like the Incredibles two. Gets to the. Their cost, look different thing, the all matching thing. I mean, that’s, I guess why you start thinking Fantastic Four.
Also. There’s four of them, if you don’t count the baby, so. Well, a fantastic four of a baby. So. Yeah. They still have the baby around. That’s Franklin Richards. Right. Who can do anything the plot requires. Just like Jack. Jack. And they do. They have an invisible. They have a stretch. They have super strong. I guess in this case, Mister incredible would kind of be like thing as their. Their strong one, right? Yeah, yeah. They’re missing the fire, I guess, but they got frozen with the ice. Although he’s, you know, he’s a side character, obviously. Frozone.
Yeah, I can’t. It’s so it just rolls off your tongue. It feels good to say frozone, you know? Much more that. Well, I like saying Mister incredible in Japanese, which is how I have to say the movie if I’m talking to a japanese person. Otherwise, they won’t know what the hell you’re saying. They will not know what I’m saying. If I say the incredibles, they have no clue what that is. Oh, mista incredible. Oh, yeah, yeah. I know that movie. This movie also features one of my favorite novelty conspiracy theories, that birds are not real. That’s actually one of the original plot points.
As they’re showing, they’re keeping tabs on Mister incredible, the people that are basically hiring him. And they show this scene where a bird flies down, it lands, and it’s, like, looking at him, but then it zooms all the way in, and the bird has a little surveillance camera as its eyeball. And it wasn’t a bird all along, but we should all know that, because birds don’t even exist. Yeah, well, it’s the second week in a row that came up, isn’t it? So that’s notable. And it’s two pixars in a row where it came up. So that’s interesting there.
I mean, was this. Is this soft disclosure or what? Maybe. Although we do have to throw out that this is kind of a left field Pixar, since Brad Bird was an outside man at the point. But. And, yeah, I mean, come on. If you’re making this movie, you’re going to do the bird thing in any case, right? Whether you’re disclosing something or not. That’s just cool. Brad Bird, we’re on to you. We are. It’s in the name. Geez. That’s why they hired him. And again, maybe the outsider thing was like, let’s bring in this outsider guy, and he can have guns and violence, and, like, all the things we normally don’t do, another thing lacking in this movie, which I guess we would have to mention at this point, is the lack of a Disney proxy.
I couldn’t figure out how to, like, ham fist. In an example of any of that, the baby doesn’t get kidnapped. Baby is well taken care of. In fact, there’s really no kid at all. The only kid that gets any billing in here, aside from the baby for a tiny little scene, is Dash, the son. But Dash is actually the one causing problems. And then he. The kids sneak on to their parents missions, right? So it’s like the opposite of the. Instead of the kids getting abandoned, they see that their parents are going to abandon them, and they’re like, nope, I’m coming along, right? And then they all, you know, stare death in the eye.
This movie really does go out of its way to be like, yes, the villains will kill kids, so I’m shoehorning the hell out of this. But if you’re with your family and we’re all gonna die to this, I don’t know. Is that a proxy of some? I guess not, because now everyone’s dead, if that works out. But I. The premise of the Disney proxy, let’s revisit it in case. Because I guess it’s been in most of the movies, but we rarely stop to explain it. But the Disney proxy is that you establish with the kid watching.
If you presume there’s a child watching the movie, and you plop them down in front of the tv, and you leave the room to go do whatever adult stuff that you want to do, that the kid, you have actually just abandoned your actual child in the real world, you just abandoned him. You’re out of sight, out of mind. And then in the movie that they’re engrossed in, if they see the parent die, they’re already relating subconsciously with, my parents aren’t here, and the movie locks it in, and it just tells them, and they’re never coming back.
And. And that doesn’t have to be something that they take so deep, but just while they’re entrained in that and they’re in this weird headspace cinema where the rest of the world doesn’t exist, there’s something in that soft brain, you know, skull that’s basically saying, no, your parents are actually dead. So then the first thing that you see after that sinks in is whatever the hell you’re gonna be selling on the lunchbox or the t shirt or the happy meal. So this one, I guess it’s the entire family, all gets a happy meal. Toy, but it’s considerably lacking that one particular aspect that seems like it was the most predictable part of the Disney formula.
I wonder how. Well the ancillary sales of incredibles, action figures and happy meals, toys and all those things did in comparison to if they had like a Disney proxy version of this. Yeah, because cars had, you know, gangbusters on the merch. Nemo for sure. I did forget to mention Neemo, the Atlanta aquarium, at least ten years ago. I mean, I guess half the aquariums have a fake Nemo, but Atlanta’s fake Nemo is called depot, which I just thought that was funny. D e e p o. So I like fake nemos. When you travel around, everyone tries to get on that merch.
Yeah. The incredibles. No one’s trying to bootleg the incredibles. I think so. I heard the Compton aquarium has a debo. Debo. Okay, sure. Why not? The weirdest aquarium I’ve been to did not have a. They had a clown fish tank, but it was an aquarium on top of a mountain. It was an aquarium at like, you know, 2500 meters. So that’s kind of weird. Why would you put aquarium on top of a mountain? They got close in the winter, you know. I mean, we’re on an aquarium tangent. I’ll throw this one out there. I went to the Miami aquarium as a kid and I’m positive that they lied to me because I distinctly remember them telling us this and it doesn’t seem like this makes sense and it never would have happened.
But they told us that one of the employee and I was, I don’t know, eight, nine or something. And I still remember this stupid story. They said that one of the employees was handling a sea urchin at the aquarium and one of the little needles broke off and went into their finger and it came out a month later out of their leg or something, implying that it had traversed their cardiovascular system somehow unscathed and then re exited elsewhere. I don’t even think that’s possible because it would have to go through your heart at some point. Anyways, the Miami Aquarium is out here lying to children.
I just figured that you should know that. Oh, that’s too bad. That’s possible. And I just don’t realize how that happened. Like, go ahead and let me know in the comments or whatever, but I swear that seems like it was even when they said it. And I was like, are you, like, are you lying to us? Like, aren’t you supposed to be in the position of being like an educator? This was like a class trip anyways. Yeah. Screw you, Miami Aquarium and your lies. Well, it’s like when you’re doing the same spiel day in, day out to kids, you got to make up a few things.
I think the universal tram people are known to tell you full worry more about employ. I guess it was like, don’t touch one of these. But then I’m sure some kids were like, I want something to come out of my foot. Yeah, I want to experience that. That would be amazing. Well, they should have made a better stories about don’t squeeze the sea cucumbers and the sea slugs because that was the. That was tragic. Is watching little kids just squeeze those freaking things to death constantly. I know. I never wanted to touch things in the touching place.
That sounds bad, but, yeah, I don’t want to touch the snake at the zoo. I’m going to stand back. No, actually, when I was doing an environmental. Environmental education, I was doing a summer camp, and some guy, the reptile guy, came in and I just went to the back of the room and stood there because I didn’t really want to touch the reptiles. Although I have had a bow constrictor on my arm at one point, so I must. It was probably when I worked in South Carolina and we. We found coral snakes living behind our cabinet.
I was, like, kind of out on snakes at that point. That seems like a special version of hell, though, that your entire existence is centered around children just touching you constantly. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. Why? I haven’t some. I think we’re going to get to that a little bit when we get to finding Dory. I believe they kind of touch on that a bit, if I remember correctly. No, Boyden. Okay. I’ll have a chance to. I’ll save my seaworld horror stories for then. Oh, yeah, sure. Yes, by all means. I’m kind of getting to the end of my notes here.
Yeah, the end of the movie. It’s just. It’s just a, you know, it’s kind of a. What’s the word I’m looking for? It’s a romp, right. For the most, the last 20 minutes, I kind of mostly stopped taking notes. Like, here’s the big climax, here’s some action, here’s some adventure. I didn’t read much into that. And at the end, they have our mole man with the underminer. Right. So makes you excited to see more. And then the movie ends, which I guess that’s a good way to end your movie. Yep. It’s a. It’s a serviceable superhero.
James Bondi kind of movie and follows up that same way. I think a lot of the deep symbolism and, like, the. The subliminal or the undertones at least, are all kind of in the very premise and the setup of all this. Once they actually start battling this grown up incredible buddy pines, when she actually grows up to become the big bad, then the movie just starts following the rest of the formula a little bit. Now, his character, though, can you remind me what his supervillain syndrome. Right. And he has the omni droid. Right. And syndrome. He represents, quite obviously not even, like, in an esoteric way, he explains exactly his entire trajectory, but the.
That he’s not a superhero. He doesn’t have super abilities, but he’s super smart, and he can invent things. So it’s almost like the beast, but without any of the cool turning into a beast part. Like, just the smart inventor part. Right. Which doesn’t exist even in Marvel and X Men. You can’t just be super smart unless you’re, like, you can convince people that they’re living in a different reality or something, but just Elon Musk wants to be. Right? Yeah. No, dude, this guy syndrome is basically Elon Musk. Right? He’s just inventing these huge, giant mechbots that he can then take back down and act like he was the hero, which I think is an interesting nod to a literal false flag.
They describe to children in this movie how a false flag works in a very clear and easy to understand way. They show that he’s fighting this big monster, and then he’ll say something like, oh, I’m going to take you down. And then it shows him using an app to make the robot’s arm fall off, and then he punches it, and it makes it look like the punch made it fall off. But what a. I mean, this is probably one of the most succinct, like, my child’s first false flag documentaries that you can give to somebody. So for no other reason, this is great for that.
The other big one, I guess, being the second of the Tom Holland Spider man movies, Mysterio, they really push in and, like, even more so than the incredibles, which, yeah, is kind of. Kind of interesting. And this one, too. It’s a passing comment at the very beginning, but I thought it was just another interesting, like, being very frank. And this was when mister incredible gets in trouble the very first time, like, right around the time all the lawsuits and stuff are happening. But his handler is telling him, like, hey, guy, like, we gotta pay these families.
We gotta raise some memories out here, like, this is not, like a zero sum game. And the way that he just so casually is talking about bribing families about their, you know, their deceased family members that were dying out of collateral damage or getting maimed or hurt or necks broken or whatever, but also that, like. And we have to erase their memories. And again, if this is not men in black, right. Men in black took place in late nineties, two thousands. They’ve got high tech little devices. They’re not superheroes. The CIA. In the fifties, sixties, and seventies, their version of erasing your memory almost always included something involved with concussion research.
So this was basically, we will punch you in your head until you forget it, or we will deprive your brain of oxygen until you forget it. So that quick little line that’s in this movie, especially since it takes place in mid century modern, you can’t hear, we’re going to race their memories and not hear. We are going to cause permanent brain damage so that they can disclose some government secrets that they got privy to. Yep. The darker end, you see, they whitewashed out a little bit with men in black three. Right, where they do go back to that period of time, and it’s just a clunkier neuralizer.
It’s still a neuralizer. We’re not punching you in the head till you forget. But they also show that Tommy Lee Jones character has been reset so many times that, like, the next time might be the last last time, and his brain just completely deteriorates so that he’s not a vegetable. I mean, honestly, they do kind of lean into that. It’s like, oh, but on that third hundredth wipe, you kind of turn into Terry Shivo. As I say, I kind of got to the end of my notes here, but if you want to throw out anything else, you said you had 20 bullet points.
I don’t know how many we hit. We got through both of them. The other main one is just how this normalizes in the. In the opening first minute or two. The whole concept of secret societies, secrecy, secret identities. I mean, that’s kind of the vernacular of conspiracy theory talk, right? Is that there’s these operatives out there that are pretending to be one thing and not the other. So superheroes, again, is kind of like the play school, big tykes, duplo version of real political conspiracy. Once your baby brain understands these alternate identities in the context of superheroes, you just escalate that one more level.
It’s like, oh, and these are also just intelligence workers. Well, that’s the whole thing. The movie is not really hiding everything. It’s disclosing everything, even if it’s in one line. And here’s some superheroes to distract you. So it’s all there. It might just be one line, like you’re saying, but it’s not a very occulted movie, is. It’s all there in the movie. Right, but. But this, uh, it reflects this moment in time. The same way that when we talk about the cartoons that would air in the late eighties and nineties, that they had this ubiquitous conspiracy vibe to them that they didn’t even necessarily have to explain what that guy in the background with the.
The glasses and the. The wire in his ear that’s like whispering into his wrist and then scurries away like, you inherently know, oh, that’s a men in black. Oh, there’s a government or some secret agency doing this thing without any exposition, like, just seeing that, you know what it means. Because conspiracy was so ubiquitous. And this movie helps also perpetuate that a little bit in that it’s like telling children now, hey, yeah, the fifties, the sixties, these inside CIA domestic operations, not everything that they appear to be, which is a stark contrast from, if you try to put this type of movie out in the actual sixties, like, you’d find yourself on the opposite end of an anti american council.
Right? Like, Walt Disney would literally be ratting on you to the FBI and getting some kind of perks for it. But here we’ve got the exact opposite, which, I mean, in my mind, this is the most mundane, boring, but real version of soft disclosure. This is them saying, like, okay, everyone knows this, but you weren’t allowed to say, everyone knows this one generation ago. Yeah. And it does seem. I guess this movie just has more of a laser focus because it’s the most auteuri we’ve had. It’s the only one that definitely only had one director. Finding Nemo, you know, too credited, even in Toy Story days, I think it’s John Laster, but then co directed, like, right after.
So Pixar was pretty much a committee, and this is kind of the first time where there’s like, do what you want, and it worked pretty well. Again, this was not as gangbusters as the movie before and after it, but certainly no one was sobbing on the way to cash your check for this one. So, I mean, I think this might be a good trend to start setting, but, yeah, let’s just compare it directly to the last movie we did. So in the most basic premise, finding Nemo, I would say, is at least twice as good as the incredibles.
I didn’t feel that way in the two thousands. This, this. You know, I’m a comic book geek. I like James Bond stuff. This one hit with me. I am thinking, if I’m trying to be objective, that’s probably correct. Except that I think the animation here is a little more polished. Having watched them back to back. So. Cuz he was. I just love this. The first time I saw it late. I guess I first saw it on video because I didn’t see it in theater. But I remember the thing that I liked the most about this movie was how unlike any other Disney movie it seemed.
It felt like a real movie. It felt like it wasn’t being targeted to just babysit children. Although clearly it kind of has that vibe a little bit to it. But it like, was treating me like a real person with a real brain. Nemo did that too. In fact, I think Nemo did an even better job at that. But Nemo fit the typical mold of a Disney movie. Way more Disney proxy, all that. Like, I’m convinced that even not even being aware of this Disney proxy sort of dynamic that keeps popping up. I’m sure after having just watched all these damn Disney movies as a kid, like, my brain picked up on that pattern and it realized like, oh, there’s something weird about this movie.
I can’t quite put my finger on it. And it’s probably the lack of that Disney proxy that’s one of the biggest differentiators in every single Disney movie. I’ve come to appreciate that. The ones that don’t follow that proxy, they stand out so damn much. The ones that we see that, like, Mulan is another really good example, even though that one, technically it’s a child leaving their parents, but she’s an adult. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. I guess we’ll start bringing to the tank today. Unless you have anything else you want to spit on this movie. That was a weird way to say it.
Let’s just spit all over this movie. No, I’m just. I’m going to blame the wild. The wild pressure differentiations we’ve had around here. It’s like hotter and hell and Sunny, and then it’s like a cool and downpouring rain. And I woke up this morning, like, feeling pretty stoned, actually, for no reason. Nice. It was kind of nice. It didn’t feel bad. Just like the world wasn’t coming into focus, which, you know. Okay, I guess my parting note on the Incredibles is this is a perfect time to go and look up operation COINTELPRo if you haven’t heard of that before.
And if you have, you might not have heard of Operation Chaos. Look at operation chaos and compare that to the incredibles. But also ask yourself, did they really coincidentally stop this the same year that they got found out for it? Or did they just change the name and start doing it more covertly? So if there’s nothing else you take away from this movie breakdown of the incredibles, it’s look at operation chaos. Oh, it’s so easy to change names, right? Keep, you know, Monsanto forever. MK, Delta, MK, Naomi, Artichoke, Bluebird, Mkultra. Mockingbird. Mockingbird. Yeah. What are you gonna do? Come on.
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