Summary
➡ Disney uses a familiar formula in its animations, borrowing elements from folklore and settings to create a nostalgic feel. The movie discussed, based on the 1976 novel “A Watcher in the Woods,” was pitched as “Disney’s Exorcist.” However, the film faced challenges, including disagreements over its darkness and a poorly received initial ending. The alternate ending, which introduces a sci-fi element with an insectoid alien, was more satisfying to some viewers, providing a resolution and answering unresolved questions.
➡ The speaker discusses their fascination with the ‘satanic panic’ era, a time when fear of satanic cults was widespread. They believe that while there was an element of hysteria, some satanic criminal organizations did exist. They’ve created comics, games, and other content exploring this topic. They also mention their recent music release and promote a set of conspiracy-themed cards.
➡ The movie revolves around a failed secret society initiation ritual during a solar eclipse, which causes a rift and possibly summons demons. An alternate ending reveals a terrifying creature, which adds depth to the story. A girl named Karen is sucked into another dimension and returns the same age as when she left, hinting at potential sequels. The movie, initially seeming like a supernatural mystery, takes a surprising turn into sci-fi, with complex rules about interdimensional time travel.
➡ The speaker discusses their unique viewing habits, which involve watching different shows and movies in a scattered manner. They note how this approach creates interesting connections and conversations. They also reflect on how viewing habits have changed over time, with people now able to binge-watch entire shows. The speaker then discusses a specific movie, “The Watcher in the Woods,” and its different endings. They mention how the movie initially received poor reviews but later became a cult favorite. The speaker ends by imagining a Disney animated version of “The Exorcist” and discussing the potential for Disney to repurpose some of its older properties.
➡ The text discusses the idea of Disney potentially exploring more mature content, using the example of Deadpool’s toned-down presence in their parks. It also talks about the high costs of visiting Disney parks, especially in the U.S., and how the company encourages visitors to buy annual passes. The text also mentions the ‘Disney bubble’, a controlled environment created by Disney to enhance the visitor experience. Lastly, it discusses changes in park access for Disney employees over the years.
➡ The text discusses a series of events related to a theme park during the 2019 pandemic, and then shifts to a detailed analysis of a movie. The movie analysis includes a discussion about a creepy old house, a character named Jan, and supernatural events triggered by blood magic. The text also mentions a character named Mrs. Aylwood who asks Jan deep questions, possibly hypnotizing her. The text ends with a comparison of a scene from the movie to a traumatizing scene from the Ewok Adventure.
➡ The text discusses a movie with confusing plot points and questionable special effects. The author questions the decisions made during production, including the use of CGI and the choice of multiple potential endings. They also mention a mild love story and a subplot involving psychic abilities. The text ends with a discussion about personal associations with solar eclipses.
➡ The text discusses a complex movie plot involving a murder mystery, magic rituals, and interdimensional beings. The characters investigate a murder, engage in a magic ritual that opens a portal to another realm, and face consequences for breaking the ritual’s rules. The movie also includes elements of occult symbolism, such as a ten-pointed star representing different paths. The story concludes with the revelation that the mysterious entity is not a demon, but a being from another dimension.
➡ The text discusses a Disney film featuring a character named Karen who embarks on a magical adventure with her animal friends. The film includes elements of horror, such as jump scares and a creepy House of Mirrors, but interestingly, lacks a clear villain. The text also explores the film’s use of cinematography, particularly in scenes involving mirrors, suggesting this could be a technique used by filmmakers to manipulate perception and create a more immersive reality. The text concludes by noting the film’s reference to solar eclipses, which were considered ominous in ancient cultures.
➡ The podcast discusses a Disney movie that references secret societies, initiation rituals, and ceremonial magic. The hosts note that this is unusual for Disney, and they speculate about the influence of Aleister Crowley, a famous occultist, on the film. They also discuss the Satanic Panic of the 70s and 80s, suggesting that fear of Satanism has always been present in American society. The hosts end by discussing their plans for future podcast episodes.
Transcript
Snow White never took another breath her prince, the angel of Death has come. Occult Disney we go from real to real Disney as above, so below I called Disney. Please enjoy the show. Disney. Welcome to the Occult Disney podcast, where this month we are talking about the darkest of Disney films. Is Matt here? That’s the most I’m going to do with that. Hi, Thomas. That was an unexpected treat. I like that. Okay, it’s, you know, it’s Halloween season. You’ve been listening to Monster Mash, the only Halloween song, I guess. Yeah. And I. And I guess to preface this too, with the whole Dark Disney, is this one supposed to be the scariest Disney movie? And this or the next one? We’re doing one of the two.
This one has jump scares. So that’s. That’s new for Disney, I think. I would argue jump scare, maybe singular. Unless there was. We’ll go. We’ll go through it. We’ll do a whole breakout. That’s what we’re here to do. Actually, yesterday I was on a chat with my Twilight Zone crowd and we, we were talking about nightmare at 20,000ft, the Shatner and the Gremlin episode. And we were like, is that the first jump scare on television? When he opens the curtain and the Gremlins there? And I thought, that sounds stupid. 1963, they must have had something. So I started looking it up.
And in film, the first jump scare is 1942’s Cat People. Before that, they simply did not have a jump scare. And there weren’t many for years. I guess Psycho has one, right? There’s a few here and there on television. As far as I could tell, that Twilight Zone was the first. The next sighting I got was a Tales from the Dark side in the 80s. A few Twin Peaks jump scares. And I was like, oh, I guess jump scares aren’t they’re like more prevalent now, I think just if you make a horror movie, it has to have five jump scares.
Right? I, I can’t believe out of all the movies you just brought up Cat People too. Because I’ve got this huge tangent. I’ll give you a preview of the tangent instead of going on the full tangent. But that Cat People is, I believe, written in a way that it was a prequel to another movie called the Seventh Victim. And the Seventh Victim, and by proxy, in some way Cat People were based on a very real satanic cult of elites that lived in Manhattan. And that this writer who happened to be the research assistant to Aldous Huxley, he gets set up to go into this actual satanic coven to see what the heck does a satanic coven do? Especially high society, you know, Manhattan peoples.
And he goes in there and some of them are knitting and other are basically casting white magic spells against Hitler because this was the lead up or during the very early days of World War II. So they had Satanist in Manhattan. And I guess the term Satanist is a little bit general in this case. It changed after the 60s, I guess. Yeah, well, yeah, that’s, that’s a whole other tangent that I’m working on. But so anyways, Cat People was the freaking entry of the rabbit hole to get to that whole entire tangent. So I highly recommend, if any that sounds interesting at all to anyone.
Look up not just the movies themselves, but Cat People and then the Seventh Victim. If you watch the Seventh Victim, it depicts about as close as Hollywood will permit to what an actual satanic coven of elites would have looked like in the mid-30s to-40s radio. And expect old timey jump scare if you do watch the movie. Did I even say today’s movie? It’s the Watcher in the woods, which was for me kind of the inspiration for Going Dark Disney. Just I saw it referenced on a different. On the, on the Ted TV show and I, hey, I didn’t really know about these movies.
I, I’d heard the titles. I know I’d seen the posters, probably seen the box art in a VHS rental store back in the day. But yeah, this and Something Wicked this Way Comes, the one that we’re doing next. Neither of them ever. I didn’t, I guess they never fully became a movie to me till recently. You know, Something Wicked this Way Comes. I know I’ve seen. But it was probably way too early for me to remember any of it or to have even kind of processed a lot of it. This one I might have heard of, but I’ve never actually seen it.
And also, just quick rant. And this won’t be a tangent, just regular rant, but why do so many Disney movies take place in the uk? Isn’t Disney a freaking American company? What the hell is going on with this? There was something about production, like, you know, like how everything was filmed in Atlantic because the tax breaks. I think there was one way the Disney company could keep money in the UK if they made productions there. There was some economic, you know, thing that it’s, you know, accountants know about. So that actually there is a clear reason why there are so many UKs.
This started in the 50s, right? They. They did, like, things like Darby, Ogon, the Little People. So it’s like, well, we’ll save some money if we keep. Have at least one production rolling in the UK at any given time. Okay, Just good business. I get it. Yes. Yes. I mean, for this movie, I agree with that. I recently did the two Wicker man movies. The. The really great one and the really terrible one. And one of the biggest mistakes the 2005 one made, or whatever it was, was moving the setting from a Scottish Highland island to, like, Oregon or Washington or whatever it was, you know, because that story, there’s so much baked in of, like, super old, you know, traditions and paganism and stuff, which.
Which doing a thing in England, like, if you want to do Gothic horror, it makes a whole lot more sense in the English countryside than it would in Nebraska. You know, Fair point. I mean, yeah, it would be a different movie, but I already want to see, like, a weird Mormon version of this. Or they’re doing it in, like, upstate New York and they’re tracing it through, like, the Mick Mac caves that Joseph Smith was going into. But it’s a. It’s a good note, too, because Watcher in the Woods. As I was watching this and not in the woods, I immediately was thinking, oh, they’re just playing off that Wicker Man Green man thing, that if you just have a shaky handheld shot and some heavy breathing, maybe running around in the woods watching someone from behind tree trunks, it kind of has that feel of, okay, what is this? Like a druid that’s gonna capture them? Is this like some weird forest monster? Am I a tree? What the hell is this? And see, I was thinking Evil Dead, which.
Which comes after this, right? So actually, this. This would predate the running in the woods sort of shots, but of course, they have the steady cam and Evil Dead, so it adds that weird, ominous. The camera is not shaking thing. Fair, I guess in the. In a film. Critics sort of point here sometimes the context of when this was made and before. And you know, like you mentioned the jump scare. Maybe this was one of the earlier jump scares out of all the ones that we’ve got in horror. So maybe a lot of this was kind of cutting edge a little bit.
But it just seems like the setting and they put it in like a castle looking sort of setting as well. It’s not just some random house in the middle of nowhere with a thatch roof. Right. It’s like a very elaborate, the sort of like a. Like a castle structure. Unless my standards for buildings are just very low, being in states. No, the. The guy that did the. The aristocratic guy that was part of the. The ceremony. John Keller. Yes, John Keller. That house was the same house used for the haunting back in the 60s. So, you know, they were probably like, oh, that house just is like a signifier for gothic horror.
That’s not the one the family’s in. That’s what Keller’s in. But I’m sure, you know, that’s where you cross your things. Let’s take the big creepy haunting house and put it in our movie. So I guess in an interesting way, this is Disney using the same formula that we’ve observed in all the animations, where they’ll take the folklore, they’ll take the care, they’ll take some of the settings and stuff. And without even having to be fully acquainted with what they are, they’ll just like, well, if we just include this stuff, it’ll. It’ll just kind of like carry over Example.
Right. Jungle Book, where they’re like, don’t read the Jungle Book. Don’t even care about the Jungle Book. We’re just going to use the characters, we’re going to use the name and the setting, and we’ll just leverage what, like this weaponized nostalgia aspect. So I think in the same way, Disney just like book the place where they already had like a creepy feel to it. We’ll set it in a place where you can just assume that there’s some sort of pagan or, you know, druids kind of camping in the background. They’re going to murder you anytime. And then just write the movie on top of that and just let the rest of the things that we’ve kind of leveraged do most of the real work.
They did have a book to throw out the window as well, or throw into the woods. 1976, Florence Engel Randall wrote the novel A Watcher in the woods, not the. And one of the Disney producers took it to Ron Miller, who I guess was in charge at the time or close to it. And it was like, hey, we can make Disney’s Exorcist. Which is kind of a weird pitch. But it took because this movie got made. The first version there was. There was some wrangling where I think Disney at one point wanted it darker and the director didn’t.
It was. It premiered in April 1980, and people hated it. It had the ending that I made you watch right before we recorded. There’s the original ending to this. They had a lot of trouble with how to end it. They threw out the book ending, the visuals. Super effects guy said there’s like 152 possible endings for this movie. So the original release did have the big crazy insect monster from space, which I love. It doesn’t make any sense in the film. I think I really like it as an alternate ending. Like, I can watch this insane ending and it’s part of the movie now, but.
But it doesn’t have to be part of the story of the movie, you know? I mean, in a weird way, man, I think it made sense to me immediately. Like, it’s. So I watched the whole movie, and right before we started recording, you were like, oh, by the way, have you seen this alternate ending? I was like, no. And the biggest comparison is that the ending you would see now if you went and just got a recent version of it that doesn’t include the alternate ending, the movie literally just end. Like, there is no ending. It just stops.
You know what I mean? Like, it’s resolved within five seconds. And then the credits roll. It’s like, oh, my God, she’s back. Done. Spoiler alert. She comes back. Oh, my God, she’s back. And then the credits roll. And I was just like, oh, man. This didn’t really feel like there was any real conclusion to it. The alternate ending solved all those problems. It also answered a few, like, unresolved. One of those was, what is this entity? And we’ll have to talk about the whole backstory on this, but what is this entity? Because they mentioned that it’s.
I’m thinking, is it a demon? Is it like a sort of green man spirit of the woods? No, it’s a freaking insectoid, terminoid, cybernetic Mothman creature that shoots lasers and swallows people and tears open a rift between time space. Right. And can throw you into it or suck you back out of it, which is way more interesting than anything else that happened in the movie up to that point, it almost seemed like, I wish the movie would have started on this scene in the first 10 to 15 minutes. There was also a scene. There was also a scene cut from the beginning that was considered to be too scary, by the way.
By who, though? Because you said Disney wanted it darker. The director didn’t. Yeah, it’s kind of hard to tell. Like, how. I think I’m saying his name, how he didn’t direct the ending. You saw, by the way, he was not brought back to make the ending. Probably hated that, watching it. Like, what the. I’m sure he hated it. If you go get this on home media, I believe it will have the. Yes, it’s. It does have the other thing. This actually was even going to go farther into weirdness, but they ran out of money. Let’s see.
At this point. So the alien picks Jan up and disappears. At this point, the two are supposed to fly across an alien landscape to the watchers. Crippled spacecraft inside. Karen was trapped in a pyramidal prism. According to Sam Nicholson, the visual effects supervisor, for some reason, the girl who disappeared imbalanced this alien scrap when she went through the portal, which in turn caused this alien crash. Okay. They explained that Jan reaches out to Karen. They are teleported back to the chapel. But we were gonna get, like, some bizarro space trip kind of added in, which that would have been fun, but I.
I guess you don’t need that. But. Yeah, yeah, it’s like, don’t take the monster out of the film. So if you do get watches on home media, though, you can watch the work they did for that even crazier ending, and you can watch the ending that I just showed you. So, you know, if I get this on home media, you’re gonna. You’re gonna get them all. I. I feel like now we need to go back and provide all the context for this. And while we’re talking about cybernetic and sicktoid aliens and interdimensional riffs and all this.
Yeah, yeah. Going from gothic horror to that. Well, that’s Lovecraftian, isn’t it? There’s a little bit of America for you. Right? And. And the kids have American accents. Right. So it almost seems like half the family is American and the other. And like, the dad is. I think the dad is British. Right. And then the rest of the family, they’ve been living in New York City. I think there was an opening in Manhattan before. Maybe. Maybe something scary happened there. I didn’t have people. Satanist connection man, like they actually are a bunch of Satanists, which is why.
Okay, so let’s. Okay, let’s start over. The movie starts where this family is on their way to some cottage in the middle of kind of now in the middle of the woods where apparently they’ve shot horror movies. Unbeknownst to this family, they show up and immediately the two daughters start having extrasensory perception. One of them can channel other spirits. The other one is seeing dead people and mirrors and can’t see their own reflection, which isn’t necessarily explained in any great detail. And also seeing weird lights out in the woods. And both of them also are hallucinating, saying things that they don’t remember, singing songs that they don’t recall mere seconds after they’ve done it.
Just overall acting strange and developing these new senses that I kind of get the impression didn’t exist before New York. So the fact that these Americans come to the UK in the middle of this weird wooded area, they start developing all these new senses and then they find out that there were a group of four kids. I don’t know how long ago it was. It was like 30 or 40 years prior to this. 40. I got. I got a production tidbit for you on that later. Okay, so 40 years prior, there’s. They’re doing a secret society initiation ritual of ceremonial magic.
I’m not stretching. This is. This is all like things that they actually say and claim in the movie. They’re doing this initiation ritual, it goes wrong. They violate a. One of the main fundamental rules of ceremonial magic that we’ll get into and because of that, goes haywire. One of the girls in this secret society initiation ritual, like the actual one being initiated, gets sucked into another dimension, or maybe she dies. Who knows? A huge bolt of lightning hits the Godfrey that they’re all standing in. A huge bell falls down where she was standing. Everyone else runs out of there.
No one sees her ever again. So some of them assume that she ran away. Some assume that maybe she got murdered. Some of them think that she got killed by the bell collapsing and who knows what happened to the body. But no one sees her for 40 years, this girl, Karen. So at towards the end of this movie, we realize that she’s been sucked into another dimension and that this is what they’ve been kind of communicating with and it’s. And they kind of explain that it’s not a ghost, it’s not a demon, it’s not some other ethereal entity, is literally just a different dimension, like a sci fi dimension that she sort of swapped places, like a Freaky Friday style, I guess, with another entity that couldn’t necessarily fill a human body.
So it kind of existed as a voice and could telepathically communicate and make you say or do things, but it couldn’t materialize except in the alternate ending. And that’s where one of the answers I was like, what do these things look like? The alternate ending is like, oh, it’s a terrifying Terminator Mothman creature. Which is really cool. I wish there was more of that. But that’s sort of the whole breakdown of the movie. Secret society initiation ritual goes wrong during a solar eclipse. I guess that’s the most important part. During a solar eclipse, they use sympathetic ceremonial magic.
They break the circle as they’re doing this, and that causes this rift. So I don’t know, maybe they were summoning demons. Yeah, yeah. I think in 1980, they just were like, oh, the insectoid alien isn’t good enough. Like, people laughed at it or something because it looks stupid from 2024, you’re like, that looks awesome. They made that 1980. Yay. You know, so maybe the passage of time helps an effect like that sometimes because, yeah, it looks awesome. Now, this is pre Terminator, is it not? It’s pre four years for Terminator. Yeah. So, I mean, yeah, this.
It’s impressive. And you wouldn’t see it unless you saw the alternate ending of the. It reminds me, in a way, for that one reason alone, of like Prometheus, where if you miss that one alternate beginning in the case of Prometheus, the entire movie changes and loses so much of the original meaning. And that’s kind of the same thing here, where this alternate ending explains way more. And by the way, they don’t really get into this as much, but it’s just as interesting is that there’s a girl, Karen, that gets sucked into the other dimension 40 years ago.
They explain that she’s just frozen in time there. She’s just kind of like, I guess, you know, Superman inside of the weird, like, crystal prison. And then after they summon her back into the physical realm here on Earth, she’s the exact same age as she was when she went in. So it almost like there could have been sequels on here where they start leveraging this for practical uses. But the weirdest thing, essentially disturbing. Fly the Navigator six, seven years after us does the same thing, basically, where the kid shows up, he hasn’t aged, and everyone else is 17 years old.
And that. And that’s creepy in its own right. You know, because now it’s like, oh my God, my mom’s about to die. Like, my mom’s an old lady now. All my friends are old. How do I manage this? You know, she’s lost the last 40 years of social progress and all the nuanced, you know, changes that go with that. But, but go ahead. No, go ahead. The. The reason it’s 40 years. By the way, this is kind of a fun production anecdote in there. Bette Davis was 72 when they made this, so they wanted to use.
They used a different actress for the young version of her. She wanted to try and do it. So they did makeup tests to try and de age her, you know, just with straight up makeup. And we do not have the technology. No, apparently they got her looking about 55. Right. They took like 20 years off of her, basically, is what everyone decided. But the. Upon viewing the tests, how cued for the crew to leave the screening room and said, betty, I don’t think you’ve made it. After taking one long drag from her cigarette, Davis replied, you’re goddamn right.
So, you know, they tried, but everyone accepted it wasn’t going to work. Which is probably for the best. They could have just substituted in another one of the flying cybernetic mothman monsters. Oh, to be the young mom. Yeah. And what I was going to mention too is that there’s a weird part of this movie that the whole entire movie to me seemed like it was building up to be a supernatural, pagan kind of folklore style mystery. And then it just takes a hard right and it’s like, nope, this is sci fi. And it sounds like what you were describing, not only was it sci fi, but they had all these rules on how interdimensional time travel worked and like the practical formulas and all the different logic of like, okay, and here’s how this interdimensional sort of storyline would have played out, but it only really becomes irrelevant in the last, I don’t know, three to five minutes of the entire movie.
It. I don’t know why they didn’t just lean more into the regular old supernatural folklore. Yeah, I guess they were just like, let’s be classy and do some atmospherics again. The idea was, oh, let’s make Disney’s the Exorcist again. Sounds weird when you say that out loud, but you know, the Exorcist is kind of paced, like where the, the money shots are, you know, like blasts of energy. Right. Someone’s just like, we’re basically gonna do Poltergeist. Just cut that one part with the crucifix out. That’s the only part. Well, Poltergeist is. Same year a little bit after this.
I think so. Yeah. Also, Poltergeist had a pg. These movies have PG ratings, which sounds insane now. You know, Poltergeist was pg. Is. I mean, this. This isn’t completely out. This is a scary PG. It would be a PG 13 now. Right. Well, this one felt not scary whatsoever. It builds on the idea that it’s about to be scary or something scary is gonna happen. Nothing scary actually happens. And consider this. This is actually, I think, a little bit interesting, maybe in like an. Like in a crappy way. But there’s no villain in this whole movie.
There’s no bad guy. No one has nefarious purposes. The only, you might stretch it, that John Kelly and maybe the original three kids, they were kind of suppressing what actually happened. They didn’t come clean that it was this ceremonial magic ritual that they likened to a seance a little bit. No one really mentions that. But, like, there’s really no bad guy, right? There’s no monster in the woods. Like, the watcher in the woods is ultimately either a neutral or even a benevolent being. Yeah, yeah. I mean, they, you know, they make it seem like Betty Davis is going to be some evil for us, but she’s not at all.
She’s just an old lady in the end, you know, it’s just the shooter creepy, you know, a few times and let her roll. Maybe a crappy landlord. That was. That was the scariest thing to me. As I was sitting back and thinking about everything that happened, I was like, it would just terrify me to actually have her as a landlord. I feel like that’s probably the scary premise from a rational point of view. I did one of my accidental synchronistic viewing things again, which might have made my impression of this movie scarier. We had to delay this recording for several days because of a hurricane rocking through Florida.
So I watched the first 30 minutes and then just put off the rest of the movie until a few days later. In between, I happened to watch Twin Peaks Fire Walk with me about which is kind of like a similar concept of a girl being lost, except it’s way more disturbing and scary. Right. And. And then I finished this movie. So I might have been like, you know, like, it’s not. It’s not the same plot, but there’s some elements that are similar. You know, the whole Twin Peaks, ceremonial magic, black lodges, that sort of stuff. So that Seeped in.
The other thing is, I came back and finished the movie. I had forgotten who the father was, and I spent, like, most of the movie thinking that was what’s her name? Jan’s boyfriend. And. Oh, no, no, no, I’m wrong on that. Oops. So, yeah, and he puts his name on the side of his helmet. It says Mike on it. Oh, Mike. Mike. Right. But, yeah, I just started mixing him and dad up a little bit because dad looks way too young. Like, Dan McCallum is kind of a weird casting choice for the dad here. He looks like he’s 18, so.
And what you were describing there, too, I can’t remember if it’s called layer layering or embedding or something, but in nlp, the I. The. The technique of starting a story and then stopping and then telling a completely different story and then going back and finishing the original story, that’s supposed to take whatever that inner story was. In your case, it was Twin Peaks firewalk with me. And that kind of embeds itself deeper into your subconscious mind, whereas the outer story is the one that, you know is. Is kind of more readily available in your conscious mind to where, once you forget it, you can kind of, like, put things back where they are.
But then that firewalk with me is like, deep down, it’s going to slowly come out in dreams and interpretations of everything else that you do. Well, that’s what you do with the David lynch film, isn’t it? So, yeah, maybe that’s a whole new thing, right? You start a Disney movie and then you stop it at a certain point. You watch a David lynch something and then you finish the Disney movie and it’s like aerating a fine wine. It’s. It’s not Disney, but yeah, do. Do the first 30 minutes of wizard of Oz, then Wild at Hearts, maybe veggietales, Veggie.
Veggie Tales. Lost Highway. Bit of veggietales. Lost Highway. Hey, you know what? I think I stumbled on it. Yeah. My personal phrase for that, as I said at the start, was synchronistic viewing, which I like. I want to coin that phrase. So I see what you’re saying with the NLP thing, too. I brainwashed myself again. I mean, we all do it constantly. It’s just interesting to know. And it’s not like NLP invented that. It’s just an observation. And someone said, oh, here’s a common pattern. Let’s give it a name so that we can more easily talk about it.
Unfortunately, I don’t know the exact name for whatever that technique is. Yeah, I do several media based podcasts. I’m always watching something. Occasionally the things I’m watching for different podcasts that will happen just the way I watch things. It might be through 30 minutes here, 30 minutes there, and skipping around a little bit, very scattered brain viewing. But that makes these weird connections that, you know, makes for interesting conversation. Like I’m thinking of Jan and I’m thinking of Laura Palmer too, you know, which they look kind of similar and I, I couldn’t not think about Brady Bunch especially.
There’s one part when, when someone’s like, oh, Jan. And I was like, oh my God, that this is all falling into place. She even looks like her. Yes, yes. No, I definitely that came to mind a bit. Ellie doesn’t fit that paradigm, but whatever. Well, and the, the other thing too that I guess to, to get out my walking stick a little bit and, and wax poetic about older times. But what you were kind of saying there and like this whole like we program ourselves and the subliminal embedding and everything that was another magical part of, I don’t know, 70s, 80s, 90s is that you kind of watch TV shows one episode at a time and you might be watching like five or six different ones.
So in, in my mind at any given time there was, I don’t know, X Files and Prices. Right And Rugrats and like all these different unresolved things and plot points that are constantly embedding themselves in my subconscious that I bring out with me into the rest of the world and all my other interactions. And that it’s kind of missing in the same way where we don’t all share this weird like amalgamation of different programmings that we’ve kind of got like unresolved in our minds. Now you can just sit down and binge a whole show and kind of tie a nice bow at the end of it and move on.
And sometimes I can binge watch a whole show and not even remember anything that happened like a few years later. Yeah, yeah, for sure. I wonder if this, you know, our dark Disney period for live action, darkness D is 79 to 85. And kind of based on what you just said, I’m thinking in 79 and 80, when we made, when they made the black hole in this one, it was like it’s going to show in the theater, it’s going to creep people on the theater and then it’s probably going to go away. Whereas a few years later something Wicked this Way comes and Return to Oz.
By then it’s clear, like, oh, this is going to end up on video and have, like, more coattails. You know, it’s kind of an interesting, I guess, pivot. Excuse me? Pivot point. Just in, like, home media, where you can start pouring over and obsessing over these movies. So the Watcher in the woods would have been a pretty early VHS release, and you’d have people kind of pouring over it a little bit more because they don’t want to see a newer movie. Right. When you go to the video store. So, yeah. And I guess you might start thinking about how to make things more evergreen and timeless as opposed to just jumping on different trends.
And so speaking of, how was this one received? Because I wonder how many people did this. Embedded cells into their subconscious. Well, that’s the weird thing that that first version with the other ending got, like, scathing professional reviews like that. People hated it. So it was pulled from release like they were going to release it in that first version. And the press reviews were so bad, they were like, let’s go back to the drawing board. And then I want to explain really quick, too, the difference between the versions. So the alternate ending version is at the end, both.
Both versions, Jan and Ellie convince everyone, and they get the old gang back together, right? They get the original three people, who is, Geez, John Kelly and Mike’s mom, who is Louise or Mary. Mary something or other. And then there’s an old hermit dude that lives in the woods called Tom Collie. And she gets these three people back together, goes to the exact same spot 40 years later during the same exact solar eclipse, basically. And they all do the whole seance thing. That’s where they both share, you know, similarities, the two endings. This is where they differ.
In the alternate ending, once they do all of this, that horrific insectoid cybernetic Terminator creature shows up. It blasts freaking Tom, like, straight across the room, right? And then it. It just kind of scares everyone for a little bit. Turns into like a little kind of sci fi horror show. And then it opens this big portal in the room, like the CGI portal. And then it sucks Jan into the portal and it disappears. And everyone’s like, oh, my God, what have we done? This is exactly what happened 40 years ago. We’ve just. It was her idea.
Yeah. Like we. All right, when we told you this was going to happen, and it happened. And then about five seconds later, the little portal opens up again and it’s Jan pulling Karen, the girl that got sucked up 40 years prior, pulls her back through this Portal. And she’s like, it’s Jan, everyone. She was frozen. Like, she does all the exposition. It’s Jan. She was frozen in time. That’s why she’s the same age. She’s back. Look. That was a different entity. They had swapped places. Okay, all good now. And then it cuts to another scene where they’re just kind of like doing niceties.
And then the credits are all versus. I guess the new ending that replaced that one is that after they all do that little seance for the second time, Jan just. Or Karen just kind of shows up and someone in the background’s like. Or Karen’s back. And then the credits roll. It just cuts and the credits roll. Like that’s. It’s. They just removed it entirely and had someone overdub. Hey, Karen’s back. And someone was like, cut it. We’re good. I guess I. That’s right. NLP myself again a little bit because I already knew that there was an alternate ending.
So immediately after finishing the film, I put on the end alternate ending. So maybe that actually did become the actual ending in my mind. Which stay good for this movie. To answer your question, the insectoid version premiered April 17, 1980, in New York City to scathing reviews. So they went back to the drawing board for a year and a half. The re release is October 9, 1981, which I guess they were, you know, aiming for Halloween, right? It flopped 9 million. Budget box office was 5 million. That’s kind of where I was bringing up the whole VHS thing.
Because once 80s kids started watching it, it did become a caught favorite. It currently has kind of mid reviews on Rotten Tomatoes. You know, it’s right. Right in that 5050 area. So it’s got a weird caught thing. It is such a fascinating artifact of 1980 Disney, I guess, is one of the reasons why we’re looking at it. But God, I’m. I am just imagining and wishing that there was simply a Disney animated version of the Exorcist. That would be cool. Oh, I might have even mentioned it here a few weeks ago, my friend. I haven’t seen Alien Romulus yet, but one of my friends was going off to see it and you know, Fox is owned by Disney now.
And I was like, wow, I really hope they have like the castle logo before Alien Romulus, you know, and then we go into an Alien movie. This had the Buena Vista thing though, right? Which makes it feel like you’re about to start a 40s anime animation here. Hear me out on this and maybe we can just kind of hash this out a little bit as if we are corporate Disney. But if you’re Disney and you know that some of the IPs that you’ve developed or work with over the years are coming up and that other people are now going to be repurposing them, you know, Blood and Honey.
And there’s another one too now about like the Steamboat Willie. Willie Mickey is now available to anyone, right? So if you know that this is going to happen anyways, why not set up a side little Touchstone plus Touchstone Max, right, Touchstone Triple X and do it yourselves. Because I would much rather see Disney’s version of Blood and Honey than whatever we got. Just as like a novelty, right? Like if they actually leaned all the way into it. And I understand that they might not want to be seen as like, oh my God, they animated the Exorcist.
I’m not taking my kid to see the next Disney movie because, you know, they’re, they’re evil now or they don’t represent good moral values. But it seems like they would be in the power to do that. And if anything, it might reinvigorate that Disney thing. I don’t know, maybe that’s not part of their, their long game plan, I assume. Well, there one thing they recently have, you know, Deadpool and Wolverine was so successful, they have a walk around Deadpool in the parks. Now he does story time with Deadpool, so it’s kind of cheeky. But he can’t really go full Deadpool, can he? Not in the middle of a park.
So how do you, how do walk that line? And what if they make a Deadpool line line, a Deadpool ride, you know, is it 18 guns or is, is it just Deadpool in his outfit, but like no guns or weapons? I imagine that’s a good question. I mean, I, I, I been to the parks recently, but it’s Tokyo and Tokyo, Tokyo don’t got IP swords. And his guns are kind of what makes his outfit. And he’s even got those Rob Lield pouches, I think, even in his, a lot of his modern designs. So I think they put him in California Adventure too, just because that’s the slightly edgier park.
Right. See if I can find a picture of Deadpool at California Adventure here. He’s got his swords. He’s got swords, he’s got a holster, but I don’t see a gun. Yeah, I think you’re onto something there. Yeah, his swords are very prominent, but so they make him seem like a swordsman in the park, it seems so. I mean, he can say snarky things, but he can’t say something too offensive to the dads or they’ll, you know, complain or the Karens will complain. There might be something to it, man. Like Disney could have an interesting pivot where they’re like, you know what? We’re not just family friendly anymore again.
Let’s do that damn animated exorcist that we promised back in the 80s and let’s do it right this time. Well, there is in Malaysia, there’s a park. It’s. It’s called. It’s now called Sky Dome or something. It’s. It’s on a Highland in Malaysia. Right. It was supposed to be a Fox park. It actually still has some Fox attractions. They were allowed to keep a little bit of it, but the full theme park. Fox and the company building and got pissed off each other, their lawsuit. And then Disney comes in and they were like, well, we don’t want that.
It’s next to a casino, you know, which I think it’s more, you know, same in Orlando, right? They don’t want the casinos in Orlando more because it’s competition, probably, than it’s a moral standing. But, you know, it sounds like it could be a moral thing. So this park was just in weird flux for a while. It has opened now, but, you know, it was going to have an alien ride, which is now something else. It does have a Planet of the Apes ride. So it’s kind of weird what’s stuck and what didn’t. But yeah, Disney was.
Was not cool, I guess, with, you know, like this theme park with alien attractions and all that sort of stuff. I mean, they had their alien encounter for a while, which at the time, they could not get the Fox rights. I’m sure they would have liked to put a xenomorph in there. And. And that note about the casinos, that’s one of the main reasons that Walt wanted to buy up so much land in central Florida was because he saw in Disneyland that he couldn’t really control what. What people saw as they drove in and out of the park and the competition and anything else that was happening because he only owned this tiny little chunk amongst everyone else.
So when he set up Florida, when you go to Disney World now, they can determine what kind of stores you see 10 minutes in and out of the park because they owned pretty much all of that land. You know what I mean? They keep up with a lot of that. So you kind of get transported to another world where there are no Vape shops or like weird kind of like hole in the wall places that look a little bit sketch as soon as you kind of enter that Disney property. And even after you get on Disney property, you’re still driving around for 10, 15 minutes to get into the various park that you want to get into.
So it’s, it kind of takes you into this controlled environment where they decide even the fire station, it’s kind of created to look like a cartoon esque with like, you know, oversized fire hydrants and sort of like dalmatian print and everything. Like it doesn’t feel like you’re in a real part of the world at that point. Yeah, they call the Disney bubble. Right? Of course now you gotta pay out of your nose for that bubble, especially if you’re staying on property. I just told you I recently went to Tokyo Disneyland. I was actually looking at prices at the Magic Kingdom and stuff.
And it’s like everything here was half the price of what it is in the states right now. The ticket was half, the food was half. Everything I paid was like half of what it is in the states. So that’s kind of, I mean, you know, I guess that’s good that we have a different company that owns it here, but they can charge anything they want. People just keep going. And honestly, if you’re in the state of Florida and you want to go to Disney World, it almost always makes sense to just get a damn annual pass.
Because if you just go two times in a year, it kind of pays for itself to just get a pass where you can go as many days as you want. And that’s part of the scam. That’s part of the reason why it’s so damn expensive here as well. They’re just trying to push you to drop like 800 to a thousand dollars to get that annual pass. Of course now you got blackout days, things like that. You know, terms change. Even, even when I was working in the parks we actually had, man, it was so weird. So when I first started working at Disney, I had a green contractor badge.
I could just go in any, any day I wanted. There was no such thing as a blackout day because it was kind of like, here I’m, I’m in. And I could even go with people. So if I had like three or four people with me, I could also just show up to any of the gates and be like, they’re with me. And they just stamp their hands or whatever and send them into the park. And then at some point in like the 2010s around there, they changed it to all tickets. So then they just gave everyone five to ten tickets that you could give to other people throughout the rest of the park, but you still could get in anytime you wanted with yours.
And then it turned into okay. Now if you want to get into the parks and you’re not there on like official work business or anything, you yourself have to use these tickets. And those tickets had all the blackout days and then some like, like blackouts plus, so basically you could go on like the worst days of the entire year where it was already going to be busy and no real major kind of events going on. So it kind of changed over time. And that’s just because there’s so many damn people that are willing to save up for years and make that their big Disney vacation.
And Disney’s established themselves as one of those like once in a lifetime trips that you do for your kids. Like, what are you, a monster? You didn’t bring your kids to Disney World. And that’s ingrained in so many people that they’re like, oh, what, it’s just a thousand dollars for a life changing experience. Meanwhile, like, the ticket should probably be, even with inflation and everything should probably be like 70 bucks or something. Like, value wise, I think you probably get 60 to 70 worth of value out of that. But yeah, dude, here I think it’s bordering on 200 if you’re out of state.
Wow. Yeah, but, and I also had the charm of just suddenly deciding, you know what, I’m gonna go tomorrow. You do have to decide one day because you have to buy them through the app with your credit card. There is no ticket booth in Tokyo right now, so you, you have to at least premeditate for one day. But that’s it. But see, there’s no reason that they would even need to charge less than $100. There’s. They can pack out the park most of the time when the 2019 pandemic hit, I mean, because I was paying attention to all the news and the Reddits and the Twitters and everything just to see what the hell’s going on in Orlando, because we have a lot of international traffic and tourism.
And if when things shut down it like you feel it immediately, especially when you’re outside of the Disney bubble, because so much of it relies on like tourism driving stuff. And as soon as that happened, that was like everyone’s major concern. Well, can we still get into Disney? Can we still use our annual passes? And I guess it makes sense, right? You dropped all this money and Then all of a sudden it’s like, up, Everything’s closed. And I’m sure that Disney didn’t just start handing out like, here’s your thousand dollars back. Here’s a thousand dollars back.
Florida was open by summer, though, weren’t they? They opened pretty quickly. They’re heavily reduced. They would actually start tracking it so that only once they got to capacity, they’d track how many people were leaving and then let more people in based on that, which was kind of new. They’re supposed to always do that, but I don’t think they really necessarily do. To them, they were just more people the merrier. You just see the time. The wait times dramatically jump up from 20 minutes to like two to three to four hours. That was. Anyway, I guess we should refocus on the watcher in the woods because we have a caught ceremonies to talk about.
Right. Well, and I’ve just got a smattering of quotes and questions that came up in this movie. And I guess we’ll just go through chronologically, movie wise. So the. My first big observation is that Jan is in this creepy old house with the creepy old Mrs. Aood, and she kind of has her hand on like. Like a window pane and it just cracks. And right as it cracks, Mrs. Aylwood is like, oh, are you okay? Did you cut yourself? Are you bleeding? And she’s like, oh, no, it’s just a cut. Right. But that almost feels that if you were gonna do some sort of black magic or ceremonial initiation ritual, that drawing of blood.
And blood magic would always kind of be like one of the initial steps into that. So this kind of serves as. And here’s the blood magic. Here’s where we get our first drop of blood. And that it’s literally the one event that kicks off all the other supernatural events that happen. Yeah. My note, if you’re curious on that section, is I guess this is how you find out if you are a vampire or something. Seven years bad luck. She did touch the mirror a bit in the mirror. Which, like, was she a vampire? Is it unlucky if you break a mirror that doesn’t show you your own reflection? I almost feel like there’s an inversion there that you’re allowed to break a mirror if it doesn’t show you your reflection.
Yeah, exactly. You need to destroy that thing. It’s proof. Well, maybe she did the right thing because it turned out she was not a vampire. Yeah. She just summoned a interdimensional cybernetic Mothman monster. Right, Right. Well, that’s not a. That’s not something a vampire does. That’s. That’s what something someone else does. No, you don’t. You don’t know that for a fact. Okay. She could do both. Yeah. Ms. Aylwood also asks her a pretty sort of like. Like philosophical, deep question. She just says, what sort of person are you to Jan? And Jan was kind of like, oh, like, I don’t know.
What kind of person are you? And then she’s kind of follows it up. She’s like, are you adventurous and kind. Are you sensitive? Do you sense things? And that’s when Jan. This almost feels like it was a hypnotic induction. Right. Are you a sensitive person? Do you sense things? Like she’s almost telling her sense things. Become a sensitive person. Become adventurous. And Jan’s just kind of. Yeah. Yeah, I am. I guess I’m. All those things that you just said. I think. I think I do sense things. I think I’m feeling something right now. Yeah, I guess.
That’s a weird thing. You know, when she does look old here, she. She looks like a scary version of my grandmother, to be honest, because my grandmother also had like kind of that mid Atlantic accent thing. Right. Going on. So I was thinking a little bit of like a scary granny, you know, when watching. Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, she clearly was cast to sort of be like a. She’s a red herring, isn’t she? Red herring. Perfect. Yeah. She’s the red herring old lady that’s supposed to be scary. Again, there are no bad people in the ent.
Entire movie. Which is weird for a horror movie. In a horror movie, you usually want at least one villain, one big bad, and not no big bads. Well, you can have your Lovecraft with your unspeakable horror terror, which I guess is an alien ending. Right, right, right. So there is no. There’s no Lovecraft in the non. Alternate ending. Hey, here’s a weird little fact that I stuck in my notes. That the actor playing Ellie is Paris Hilton. Ant. Okay, now it is a little bit scarier. I. I actually looked into that. The one that plays Jan was a professional ice skater and was in Ice Castles and then in this and then in a whole bunch of kind of like straight to TV movies.
Yeah, it looked like she was working about to 1990 and then, you know, pretty much stopped. Which, you know, that’s what you want to do. Sure. Why not always try to do a little deep dive, see if like, you know, I don’t know, someone sold their soul and ended up drowning and blood in India or something. It would be good to have those notes. Yeah. The way they shot the drought, not the drowning, but the potential drowning where Jan gets saved did make me think of the Ewok adventure. Did you ever see the Ewok Adventure, the TV movie? I don’t think so.
Okay, this has. Maybe we can kill people, right? Ewoks do murder people. Oh, yeah, They’re Vietcong. Right. But there’s a scene in there where one. It’s like. It’s like Disney times 8,000. Because your family all instantly gets slaughtered once you crash land on this planet. I believe that’s the plot to one of them. I haven’t seen these movies for decades, but the one scene. So here’s one that has stuck with me since I was 5 or 6 years old because I did see it on TV when it aired. The boy touches the water and then he’s trapped under the water, which I found super terrifying.
So this scene, it felt a little bit like that. Just the way they shot it, I guess. Recall the Ewok adventure from a few years later with. With a very scarring, psychically scarring scene for me. Traumatizing scene. There we go. Well, that’s a good point too, I guess. Glossed over this and part of the recap that there’s one scene in particular where Jan and Ellie are just kind of wandering around in the woods a little bit. I think this is a little bit creepy because Ellie has this dog who she names Nakar, which is basically just Karen spelled backwards, which is kind of stupid, but whatever.
And got away with it, too. Who? The Shining Got away with the two? I guess so. Yeah, but. So she names this dog that she finds in the car, which is Karen backwards, and the dog runs out in the middle of the woods. And while they’re out in the middle of the woods, Jan sees something. She’s like this blue glowing light. And at a certain point, I had to rewind it to make sure that they had actually kind of conveyed this so she doesn’t fall off of a log into this pond. What happens is that she teleports this.
This blue light somehow caught it, like zaps her. And her body, like if I froze frame it and I, like, stepped through the frames and they have CGI where she kind of glow. Her whole entire body starts to glow and then it just fades out to nothing. So now there’s just nature behind her. And then it shows another scene of the pond and then she phases back in and where she’s just barely kind of holding her balance. And then as soon as she fully materializes again, she falls into the pond. And after she falls into the pond, Mrs.
Aylwood runs up with a stick. And the scene totally implies that she’s trying to drown her like that. She’s using the stick to hold her down under the water and kind of force her to die a little bit. I guess that’s where I started thinking the Ewok adventure a little bit. Being trapped under the, you know, this thin glaze of water. But they cut. They cut that scene and they immediately. It’s like, oh, thank you so much for saving her life. I thought you were trying to drought. Like, they kind of do what you’re thinking, and it’s like.
But that’s not what happened. You had to push her down because she was caught under a branch and that it looked like you were trying to. So anyways, they kind of explain all that away. And I was wondering, too, if that might have been something that got cut or, like, re. Edited or if it was just like a sloppy. Another red herring. Again, that’s. They’re just piling. Red herring. It’s red herring for 10, 10 to 12. It’s. It’s a red herring for tweens, isn’t it? Right? Yeah. Baby’s first red herring. Just to confirm, I. I know in the past you’ve used CGI as a.
As an overall for effects, but I’m looking and just want to confirm that this is all weird 1980s analog gloopiness in the effects. So for anyone listening. And I really didn’t understand why this needed the time that they spent on the CGI to teleport her from a foot away on this log to another foot away and then just slightly off balance as she falls in. They could have done a million. It would have made more sense if they teleported her just above the freaking pond. So she’s in midair and drops into it. Because when you watch it, like, again, I had to stop and rewatch it a couple times to be like, did she get zapped with a laser and the laser pushed her off balance? Or was it something else? And it was the something else.
I don’t. There’s so many weird decisions made and so much money spent. You said what? They went back to the drawing board for a year and a half, and the best they came up with was like, let’s just cut it. Just. Let’s just delete that part. And with a different director again, it turned out the special effects guy the same Guy that said there’s 152 potential endings is the one that I think ended up directing that final, final sequence in the end. So he didn’t choose the best one, I guess. Honestly, I mean that’s, that’s. What if there was another 150 endings and each ending is about three minutes long, then you’ve got well over six hours of content.
If you just were to recreate all 150 endings of this movie, that’d be fun. I mean, I don’t think he thought actually wrote them all down or anything, but. Yeah, but yeah, I guess the, the thing I did, it was very helpful to chase the movie with that scene because it does feel more conclusive that way. I gotta ask, is there any ending at all, aside from it turning into a completely different movie, that would have saved the first hour and ten minutes? I guess it’s if, you know, does the first hour and ten minutes. Does.
Do you get into the vibe or not? Another one I recently watched for another podcast, Halloween was the Omen kind of does the same thing. Nothing really happens in the Omen as it’s mostly all, you know, atmospherics, which I think is what this movie is also trying to do. But it’s. It’s Disney’s first time trying to do that. Just like the black hole. Like they doing this big special effects sci fi movie, but they’d never done one before. So now they’re like, we’re going to do a horror movie, but we’ve never done one before. And this might be like one of the last horror.
I mean, aside from the other movie that we’re about to watch for the next episode. Right. But this, it seems like this is their horror movie. This is the closest they got. Yeah. Because after that there is Touchstone. So now if Disney’s going to make a horror movie, it is Touchstone. And was Dimension, who owned Dimension films? I think that might have actually been a Disney thing I mentioned. Have a look at that. You had a few more questions in your notes, did you? Yeah, the mom has a good quote. She says even monsters have to sleep.
Which just feels like a. Like a badass quote. Like that could actually be in a Nightmare from Elm street or something. Jan sees Ms. Ale Aylwood just wandering into the woods by herself at night. Which again, what’s that? The third red herring? Like what the hell is she going out into the middle of the woods doing looking for her missing daughter Again, even if they focus more on that, it would have been a little bit creepier. But it’s just unresolved, I guess, that. Yeah, there’s just a bunch of push and pull in this movie. Just in the back, in the behind the scenes.
Like, how creepy is it? Oh, by the way, I was kind of right and kind of wrong about dimension films, you know? Dimension films, right? Like 2000ish horror films. I mean, 2000 era horror films, founded 1992, bought by the Weinsteins for Merrimack and Miramax, was bought by Disney on in 1993. So from 1993 to 2005, technically, those horror movies are Disney movies. So the final destinations are Disney’s. And if we’re getting technical, another one of the fun technical ones is that Disney at some point temporarily owned Island Records, which in turn owned Insane Clown Posse. And this was during the release of the Great Malenko.
So when that same, like, technically right is the best kind of right. Disney owned icp. Disney made, sold, and made money directly from the Great Malenko album and Insane Clown Posse, which almost feels like the antithesis of everything that Disney would normally be a part of. But you can connect those dots, like, this isn’t. This isn’t conspiracy for once. This is real. Chapter 2, verses 13 to 17 of the Juggalo Bible. Right again, man. Like, Disney has. They’re leaving money on the table by not just fully embracing some of these things. Like, if Disney was like, you know what? We’re gonna put together a concept album and have ICP do it all.
Nothing’s off the table. Anything you want to do, guys, we’re changing Toontown to Juggaloland. I mean, that would be pretty awesome. Again, so a couple other ones, too. There’s a really weird mild love story. It’s about as intense as the horror part of this mo. And that’s that Jan and Mike kind of like each other. And that’s it. That’s. That’s about as. As hot and steamy as it gets. But he does play somewhat of a role in the movie. One is that his mom is one of these three girls that ended up sending Karen to an alternate Mothman cyber dimension.
But also, there’s a very important scene when they’re watching Mike on his dirt bike. They’re going around this track, and Ellie yells out to her sister Jan, and she’s like, hey, come over here. Whatever. And as soon as she does that, one of the guys in this dirt bike race loses control of his dirt bike. It flies over this ramp, and it smashes and explodes like Flight 93 on this huge, like, boulder that Jan was on, and it just disappears. Like, it explodes and it disappears. And they. I think they found the passport of that guy unscathed somewhere else near the wreckage.
But that was the one scene where it’s. You kind of get an idea that Ellie really does have real psychic abilities. She’s actually tapping into some other realm. And even when Jan said, wow, how did you know? Or something like that, l was basically saying, oh, no, that wasn’t me. That was Nakar. Right. That was the dog. The dog was calling for. The dog told me to do it. Yeah, sure. Yeah. So a little Son of Sam sort of reference there. I assume this is. Oh, no, this is after Son of Sam. Yeah. Yeah, I am.
Eclipses still make me weirdly nervous. I think when I was four years old, you know, in the kindergarten, we went outside, so, you know, just. This has the solar eclipse, and it was a total eclipse in 83 or 84 or something, and you’re like, don’t look at the sky. Look in this little hole. And when you’re four years, sort of like, ah, you know, if I can’t look up, I’m gonna go blind. So I still have, like, a weird existential terror about eclipses because of that. Just. You know, that’s funny just because my link to eclipses is, I think right around the time it wasn’t Grumpy Old Men, but it was a Walter Mafow and Jack Lemon movie where they go on a cruise, and during this cruise, there’s a solar eclipse.
And for now, whatever reason, anytime solar eclipses come back up in the news, I just imagine a movie with Walter Matthau in it. So it’s the least terrifying reaction ever. It’s. I don’t have the apocalypto reaction. I’ve got the. The Old Men at Sea. I wish I could remember the name of it. It was something about sailing or cruising. No, I have. You know, I have to look into out at Sea. By the way, Brent Spiner, Lieutenant Commander Data, plays the fussy waiter, if I remember. I mean, I don’t know. I’m a sucker for grumpy old men movies.
Yeah, but it’s. It’s a good. It’s a good one for Brent Spiner, too, if you’re a fan of his, is, I guess, what I’m saying. Also, in the movie, Jan directly suggests. She says out loud that Karen might have been murdered, as she’s kind of, like, talking about this and she’s learning about this backstory in this weird house that she Kind of inherited from the. The landlord they’re living with. And then they. It kind of turns into a murder mystery for a small amount of time. Another just complete red herrings and wild goose chases. But first they look and do Tom Cooley, this weird hermit guy.
They call him a hermit, but he doesn’t look like a hermit. He just wears a trench coat. And he’s super creepy about it. That. But that he lives out in the middle of the woods, which he does. And he just kind of stands there and he stares at you, all red herring. Then there’s Mary Pierce. That’s the name of Mike’s mom. And she’s the one that like runs off first when she sees Karen. So we see this scene where Ellie zones out into like another dimension. Essentially like her mind is no longer there. And she starts drawing the word Karen backwards on the dust on this window.
And that’s where after she draws it out backwards, they’re kind of implying that she didn’t realize that she drew it, she wrote it out. And then she sees it backwards, but reads it as if it were Fords. And that’s where the name of the dog comes from, Narak. But from the other side of the window, Mike’s mom, Mary Pierce, she sees the word Karen. And as she’s talking to Jan or Jan’s mom, she reads the name and then she’s like, oh my God, I have to go. And she just books it out of there. And then John Keller, apparently it was his idea.
He was the one that came up with what they call a game originally. But then we find out it was an actual ceremonial magic initiation ritual where they’ve. They got a seance style where they join hands and they create a circle. And that circle is this sympathetic magic reflection of the solar eclipse, as above, so below. And that also there’s this big ten pointed star. They kind of incorporate the way that the light shines down through the stained glass. Also creates this 10. I counted it was like a 15 pointed star. But like all these different things kind of come together.
But they. They essentially explain in the movie that it’s sympathetic magic. That the circle symbol that they see in the pond and that she sees on the ground is that solar eclipse. And that them joining hands in the seance also forms a circle. So you’ve got these three different circles. When they all align perfectly this exact moment, that’s when you can possibly open this dimension to another realm. So do we have Keller as what, a baby Crowley or something? Well, I guess Crowley was doing Some different kinds of magic. But, you know, it did seem like a weird control mechanism from that guy who turns out to be kind of a nasty aristocrat 40 years later.
Right. Yeah, I was getting Crowley vibes. I was also thinking maybe Edward Kelly and John D. Like he was sort of this 1978 John D. Localized version of them. But you. I didn’t. That’s too bad. Maybe, maybe the hermit guy is the, the drifter guy is the Kelly. He’s the scary one, right? The, the actual guy that just lives out in the woods and stands and stares at you and runs away if you look at him. That was the creepy guy. That’s the one that I originally thought, oh, if there’s a murderer that killed Karen, this is the guy that did that.
But all, you know, red herrings all the way down. Maybe that’s where I enjoyed the movie a little more than you again with my twin peak sandwich. Because this one doesn’t quite commit to. There’s no bad guys. And then I go and watch this movie in between with like one of the most horrible murders ever committed a film, you know, so. Okay, well satisfied there. Let’s go finish Watcher in the Woods. So I didn’t care that there was a murder that’s been covered. And I, I did have to count when they show the star that’s actually worked into the floor, that one is a ten pointed star and this one is a decagram.
I, I, or yeah, I think that’s 10 pointed. And then it technically I don’t think there’s a popularized name for stars that have more than 12 points. So a 12 pointed star is a dodecahedron, but anything above that is just like a 13 pointed, a 14 pointed, a 15 pointed. So the only one that they actually show that was designed intentionally is the ten pointed star, which I think corresponds with the Tree of Life or the Sephiroth, because that has the 10 pathways. So in this 10 pointed star, each ray coming out of the star represents a different path.
But the other one that we see is through the, I guess the sunlight. But it’s, you know, the eclipse light coming through this window on the side of the, the Godfrey that they’re standing in. And just because the way the light hits in it doesn’t make a perfect star. So you’ve got like overlapping specs to it. But anyways, for just like the, the deepest occult symbolism that I was able to find in here was that ten pointed star, which is where they’re doing this initiation ritual slash seance. So are they screwing up by mixing their own 15 point stars on top of the 10 point ones? I don’t think they have control over that.
And how, like, the. The thing came, and it is kind of described that where they screwed up was that they formed this circle. Lightning hits the Godfrey, and then when that happens, the girl or I, I guess all three of them, they break hands and they run away. And that exact moment, them breaking that circle was the grave sin that they all committed. That’s what screwed everything up. If they had just kept holding hands, and theoretically, the bell wouldn’t have fallen, the rest of the Godfrey wouldn’t have fallen down on them. It wouldn’t have set the fire, none of that would have happened.
But because they broke hands, they broke that sympathetic magic, and everything fell apart from there. So would they have been smarter? And as a guy who does not go around doing magic, but it’s heard a fair amount about, you know, like, magic with a K or whatever. If you. I don’t know, make a salt circle, Is that smarter? Make a magic circle. That’s not you. The salt circle just keeps entities either inside or outside. It’s like putting up a little wall. So I don’t know, I think that still them dropping their hands and breaking the circle themselves was the real problem.
It’ll be like if you’re in the middle of a. And you’ve actually summoned Grammy, right? And Grammy’s telling you where your bitcoin address is that you lost eight years ago because you didn’t think it was gonna ever amount to anything. And right as she’s gonna tell you, someone, like, sneezes and they take their hands away now. Now Grammy’s gonna, like, kill your cat and kill your dog and, like, maybe slaughter an entire family, right? Because you broke this rule of magic where you’re not supposed to break the circle in the middle of the freaking train. It’s like pulling out the plug as you’re trying to download something, I guess.
Okay, so they made the worst mistake. Although it did turn out to be weird aliens and not supernatural. Going by the. The. The original ending of the movie. Right. Well, and even in the final ending, where they kind of just cut it all out, but they still sort of bend over backwards a little bit to explain that this is another entity from another dimension and that they simply made a mistake and they can correct it. I mean, they kind of just leave it that vague. It never shows you that it’s like a cybernetic being, but they kind of let you know it’s not a demon and it’s not some sort of natural magic.
Like it is another world entity. It almost felt like alien. Right. I am thinking Disney Proxy isn’t here that much, I guess Karen being. But then it’s the mom. Right? So that doesn’t make sense. No, no. There’s a full nuclear family. It’s the mirror. It’s. It’s the mirrored version of the Disney Proxy where in the. We don’t. We’re not watching the movie where the Disney Proxy is taking place, but the Disney Proxy is at play. Right. Because Karen. They assume that she ran away. If she didn’t get murdered, then she ran away. So technically, Karen is out on her own somewhere and probably in this frozen dimension that we don’t are.
We’re not privy to. We just see her come back into ours. But Ashley, she’s finding other ip. Like there’s another dimension out there in the Disney universe where Karen is a protagonist in a Disney major motion film. And she’s got little like animal friends that are guiding her through. And then at the very end, she pops back into our dimensions. So if you went, you know, sideways, you turned 90 degrees and went into this dimension where the cybernetics moth monsters are. There’s a Disney world with a Karen ride somewhere in there. See, I. I was almost sitting here being like, oh, well, since it is a nuclear family that sticks together, they’re being troubled by spirits and horror and things as opposed to, you know, our fun Disney adventure.
Let’s see. You mentioned the jump scare. Jump scare is a little bit cheesy, a little bit meta, I guess, where that the jump scare is. Them just hard cutting to a carnival ride that has a jump scare. So it’s not even really the movie that’s jump scaring you. It’s a carnival ride in the movie that’s jump scaring you. Which, I don’t know. It’s. It’s a. Maybe a NLP hypnosis technique. Yeah. Kind of like they were like, oh, we can get away with it. Because it’s actually just a carnival ride. We do this at Disneyland. Go Go ride the original version of the Snow White ride.
It’ll terrify you. Or watch a video of it. Tokyo still has it. Except I don’t think the witch turns and screams at you quite as hard as it did in the original Disney World version. And I think there’s. There’s a few jump scares in the animated Disney movies that we’ve seen, although none of them are jumping immediately to the front of my mind. But I, I feel like there’s been a few times when I wasn’t expecting something to happen and they kind of flash it at you. But this one’s full blown carnival. They even have the little buzzer and everything.
And it stuck out to me because it’s like 3, 5pm I’m watching the movie and 10am I had been talking to people on Discord about the history of jump scare. So, you know, I was like fully primed to clock that. The, the other interesting part of this too, if you think about Disney just straight up leveraging, okay, we’re going to be out in the middle of the woods. We don’t have to really imply much more like that’ll do its thing and all these other aspects. Oh yeah, there’s magic involved. Oh, there’s secret societies involved. They just kind of like, like plant all these seeds without ever expanding on any of them.
And they kind of do the exact same thing where it’s like, well, we’re at a carnival. Why not also go into the House of Mirrors? Because what’s creepier and what, what else would make for a great movie trailer? I mean, I don’t, I didn’t go and look at all the movie trailers, but I have to assume that there were some that use the cuts of inside that House of Mirrors. Because when you see that, you’re just like, oh, yeah, this is a psychological horror movie that pretty much is a key indicator. Yeah, I really liked the, I really dug the, the hall of Mirror cinematography.
Actually. I thought they did a pretty good job with that because you see a lot of films with that. You know, John Wick too. It has your hollow mirror scene and stuff. I’m sitting here looking at when the Rendlesham Forest UFO sighting was, which was after this movie. I was just thinking about lights in the forest in the UK, but that was late December 1980, I guess, when those started. Okay, the talking about that house of mirrors. This once I want to mention these old Michael Sarion videos, specifically At Oracles and Origins and a really good one that I might have brought up a couple times, but it’s well worth.
It’s called the Sacred Use of Subverse or the Subversive Use of Sacred Symbolism in the media. Say that five times fast. But in, in this and some of the other series around that time that he put out, he makes a really good case that occultists in Hollywood, one of their telltale signs, like if you’re not just gonna go for the Masonic Square encumbus or like the number 237 or just putting some obvious sign out somewhere that one of their calling cards to talk to each other are setting up these complicated scenes with multiple mirrors and. And impossible shots where you’re hiding the camera because it does a few different things.
One is that you’re literally playing with light, which is light work, which is sort of a magical practice in. In this kind of like Hollywood way. But a. Is that you’re doing this light work. The other one is that in another meta sense. Right. Is that you are behind the camera. You know there’s a camera there, but you’re hiding the fact there’s a camera there because it will help someone watching your footage also not realize there’s a camera there and actually become absorbed into the moment. So you’re sort of creating this new reality and that the more mirrors and reflections that you can portray naturally without letting the camera be seen, it puts someone deeper and deeper into one of these trances in that the movie is constructing this reality that you’re fully sold on.
One of the best examples I think Sarion brings up is, is it Contact or First Encounter? I think it might be Contact. Where there’s contact is Jody Foster and the. I. I think it’s Contact. And they’ve got this long scene where it follows her down a hallway into a bathroom and the camera goes over her shoulder and you can see her in the mirror, but the camera’s not there. That was seen as like one of these technological, like, huge advancements in cinematography. And that. That’s kind of another reason why these. These creepy hall of Mirror scenes are maybe favored by occultist filmmakers, is because it’s.
It’s one of their calling cards where they can flex their muscles to each other and being like, look how I construct reality. Look at the. The control that I’ve got over perception. Yeah. Although if I’m a cinematographer, I’m just like, hey, look how good I am to a certain extent too. I mean, there’s a. Definitely a skill level there. So. Because you weren’t initiated into the. Okay, so the producer is. The producer says do the mirrors. And as a scimitar from like. Yes. That’s awesome. If you don’t get teleported into a realm of terrifying cybernetic. Mothman.
Yeah, yeah. Just to reread that original. The. The ending. The original ending that did not get completely filmed was not in Disney World, but Karen is trapped in a pyramidal prism on the crippled spacecraft, which I. I think you can find some evidence of that scene. Like maybe they made some models or something, but I don’t think it was fully put together with. With that sequence. It would have been so cool if, if she gets teleported to another dimension. But like, Vincent is there waiting for her, right? Like she’s just. She’s on the cusp of this black hole.
Or she just shows up and there’s Max Million standing on his hell mountain. Maximilian. And the actor. Maximilian. Yeah, she’s immediately in one of the circles of hell. The. The only other notes that I got here is that there are a number of cultures, just ancient cultures that did all sorts of rituals specifically on the solar eclipse. And they make a passing note in the movie where Jan kind of explains that solar eclipses are more unique than lunar eclipses, that lunar eclipses in different forms happen more often and the solar eclipse is rare. So therefore it’s like more magical, more special.
Paraphrasing that a little bit. And ancient Greeks, ancient Romans, ancient Babylonians, ancient. Almost every peoples all sort of agreed. And by the time that they figured out how to track solar eclipses, or at least that the sky was not eating the sun and it wasn’t the end of the world. Once they got over that initial reaction, the ancient Greeks, they saw. The Greeks and the Romans, they saw solar eclipses as omens of the weather going bad or that the gods were angry and something bad was about to happen. And what. One thing interesting is that in Babylon they had.
I guess it might have started in Babylon, but the Babylonians, when a solar eclipse was about to occur, as occurring, they would install a proxy king so that if anything bad did happen, it would happen to this, like, sort of stand in king. And then after all the badge stuff was over, they would just, if he survived it, that they would just bring the new king back in. Isn’t that what Disney did for the pandemic? I mean, they literally did that, didn’t they? So I think that was an interesting observation. The other one, yeah, the, the craziest part to me in this movie is that there’s no bad guy.
I just. I can’t get over a horror movie that has no bad guy in it at all. Even if you want to bend over backwards, there’s no bad guy. There’s no villain in this entire movie. I guess that’s how you Disney fire horror movie a man. Like, sure, if you want to drop like $3 million in 1970s money, right? 5. No, no, no. Made 5. The budget was 7. I think I’ve forgotten I said it earlier in this podcast, someone can rewind or I could just say a nine budget five box office. So not, not so people did not.
Maybe they wanted a bad guy. They were on your boat. And then the other one too is that we recently covered Finding Nemo and I noted I think accurately that that Finding Nemo is the first animated Disney movie that explicitly has an initiation ritual into a secret society. And since that’s has the qualifier of animated, this is the first Disney live action movie I’ve ever seen that has direct references to murder, secret societies, initiation rituals, ceremonial magic and a few other I guess sort of things. But I think this is one of the cool little metrics.
Like now my mind is always going to be searching for a Disney movie that’s older than Watcher of the woods that also talks about secret societies and initiation rituals without me having to read into it. Like it’s actually in the dialogue. I was going to sit here and cite the gnome mobile again, but I think that’s what you’re referring to, right? No, yeah, no, like them like explicitly stating what’s going on. No, mobile Bohemian Grove. Absolutely. Redwood Forest. But you gotta, you gotta know, right? You gotta have the eyes to see and the ears to hear.
But in this one they just put it all out there for you. They tell you, they even show you the initiation ritual where the girls got the blindfold on. Like this is basically an entered apprentice Freemasonic style ritual. Maybe golden dawn ritual. Yeah, I guess a few years later they. This would be part of Satanic panic. They’d be like, kids are going to watch this movie then try it themselves, you know, because I guess there’s enough there. You could try it yourself. Well, and that’s another. I won’t go on this tangent right now, but I’ve got pretty conclusive evidence that I’ve been put.
I’ll be putting out in a satanic panic comic.com satanicpanic game.com I’m working on a book that kind of touches on this. But the Satanic panic of the late 70s and 80s was not a new thing. It wasn’t even hyped up from the previous decades that there has always been a Satanic panic in the States. Even before they were the states, Salem all the way on. There was never more than a five to ten year period in which some portion of the country was absolutely losing their mind over perceived Satanism or demonic possession or something. So that the Satanic panic of the 80s and 90s, I think at that point it hit a.
It was like A boiling point where it became so ubiquitous that now we’re going to make cartoons about it, and now we’re going to have sheriffs talk to parents about it. But there really wasn’t like a build up. Like it had always kind of been there. And if anything, it was more pronounced in the 20s, 30s, and 40s, but people just weren’t losing their minds as much as they were in the 80s and 90s. Well, having just covered the Omen, some things we found in that movie was that is basically the pop culture point where 666 becomes the mark of the Beast.
I mean, obviously it was was before, but that’s where, like, everybody knows it because someone has to explain it to Gregory Peck. Like he doesn’t know, you know, that’s the point where Damien becomes something you probably don’t want to name your kid. And that’s the point where the Antichrist actually becomes simply the son of Satan. As opposed to 1976. That’s right. Omen movie. And then they quote Revelation, but they don’t. They make up the quote. It’s not actually in. In Revelation, which says, when the Jews return to Zion and a comet rips the sky and the Holy Roman Empire rises, then you and I must die.
From the eternal sea he rises, creating armies on either shore, turning man against his brother till man exists no more. Which one sounds more like Nostradamus? And. Yeah, they wrote it for the movie, man. There’s. There’s a folk song called 666 I Can’t Remember. Well, there’s the Aphrodite’s Child album and that. So that predates the Omen, right? Yes. I was going to do that thing where I had it within arm’s reach because I was actually playing it in the car a few weeks ago. That’s a creepy song. He’s like doing all falsetto. It’s like a sweet sounding folk song, except it’s all about basically invoking Satan and saying 666 over and over again.
But that wasn’t a smash. Vangelis had more success scoring movies than with that band. So, yeah, apparently the Om is just where everyone now knows 666 is the number of the beasts beast. And before that, it wasn’t just like everybody. It’s like you and I talking about weird stuff on the occult Disney podcast, right? It’s not like everyone like talks about initiation ritual a hundred percent to me. Seemed like like a Golden Dawn Freemasonic sort of thing. And now if you’re gonna put that into the context of the United Kingdom and the time periods in which they said this was all happening.
This was basically at the tail end of Aleister Crowley being alive. Right. And Aleister Crowley would probably be the one that I would argue the main influence. And even uttering the number 666 in music or movies and having it become part of pop culture, that before that it was very much an arcane sort of occulted thing. And he. He made it cool with the kids. Oh, you could. I mean, there’s a very convincing narrative where Crowley opens up, you know, the. The modern era of pop culture. Right. That’s not necessary for good or for bad, although it’s kind of, I don’t know, you can work it out how you want.
Just what he did kind of worked, I guess, is the, you know, whether he should have been doing that or not. So if we had to put like one of those big, like, mind map kind of charts together where you put, like, ideas close to each other and it kind of branches out. If we did one of those for Disney and we decided, what movies has Disney released that were the most directly influenced by Aleister Crowley? Watcher in the woods is the. Is very, very close to the Disney bubble. And I would say so is one we’re not gonna get to.
I did the math. I don’t think we’re gonna get to it for like three or four years. Like, there’s so many movies to get through. Wish is the other one that a hunt like Wish and Watcher in the woods are the two most cruelian Disney movies that have been produced that I’ve seen so far. There’s probably some others that I haven’t seen or I, you know, haven’t noticed, but those two were like, Aleister Crowley might as well have been summoned to help write the script on both of those. Well, hey, listeners, message us if he wants to wish.
Because I remember when it was coming out last year, I did kind of think, oh, maybe we should do the new one about stars. And then it was kind of a flop. And I think schedules were wonky. It didn’t happen, but it’s perfect for occult. Disney Wishes is exactly what the show is kind of about out. But I don’t know, it’ll be fun to just tease it for the next three years. It’s also fun to work through the sequence. That’s why I’m kind of saying, tell us if you think we should skip ahead. Well, we’re going to be obsessed and weird and do it the way we’re doing it otherwise because someone.
Someone beamed in and they’re like, oh, Moana. It’s like, yes, of course I want to do my honor. It’s just that’s in the future. You know, I look that one up, that one is something like eight months away at best, if we keep up a pretty decent pace. Yeah. So. But, like, I don’t feel like I want to fast track them. I’m looking very forward to watching again also. That’s one I’ve seen a lot. I. Because my daughter is. That was. I think that was the last Disney movie my daughter obsessively watched before she kind of aged out so.
Well, I mean, and since we’re on the topic, if anyone’s actually interested, like, I think we’ve kind of recapped most of our observations on Watcher of the Woods. I think we’re winding down a little bit here. Yeah. Yeah. But the, the list that we’ve got going on, once we get out of Dark Disney, which we’ve still got, I think two more movies that we’re gonna do in Dark Disney, then we’re gonna go back to regular old Disney. We’re out of Ghibli bits. Right. We’re no longer doing. We will have some in the future, but it’s gonna be a while.
So we just did Incredibles before we started this. We’ve got Pooh’s Heffalump movie, which I think we’ll do. And then Valiant, Chicken Little, the Wild Cars, Meet the Robinsons, Ratatouille, Enchanted, Wally Bolt Up Ponyo, Christmas Carol, Princess and the frog, Toy Story 3, Tales from Earthsea Tangle, No Meo and Juliet, Mars Needs Moms, Cars 2, Winnie the Pooh, Secret World of Arietti, Brave, Frankenweenie, Wreckit Ralph. Also, like, like, it keeps going on and on and on and on. So there’s so many movies. That was like one, like fifth of the. The regs of the list that I’ve got on here.
So we’ve got lots of content and tear up. And I also wanted to throw this out. I would love to do some, like, anime breakdowns. You’re the perfect person. I know you also have like 20 other podcasts. You do. But maybe, maybe we could just pick like, your top three anime movies that I definitely haven’t seen and, and recap those at some point. I don’t know what, what seasonal shoehorn we can use. So it’s not Dark Disney or anything, but I can, I can find a good excuse and don’t worry about it. Well, like you said, I guess we are winding this one down and we’re technically doing shop talk, which, I don’t know, some people maybe like to hear, some don’t.
I. We’ll see. But, well, if you. If you want to know, when we get to Moana. Well, Moana was like another 30 movies after the list where I stopped. Yes, but winding down today, you mentioned your Satanic Panic comics. You got the conspiracy cards. That’s still the running game at the moment. The running game. The next big one is going to be Illuminati comic dot com. That one covers a little bit of that satanic panic stuff. Like, it’s a topic that I’ve been fascinated with since I myself was growing up in the 80s, because again, I remember police coming into elementary school and telling people about, beware, set up these secret passwords and code words with your parents so that if an evil Satanist tries to say, come with me.
You know, your parents have been in a horrible accident, come with me, then they would have to give you a secret password that only you and they would know. And that was explicitly to make sure you didn’t get kidnapped because of this whole satanic panic, everyone’s trying to kidnap you kind of thing. So I grew up in that whole thing, so I’ve never been able to shape. I remember seeing the McMartin preschool trial as a kid. And like, what? Like, what. What freaking daycare are they going to? They get underground tunnels and goats. Like, I just get carrots and ants on a log and celery and stuff.
That sounds way cooler, except for all the touching parts. But that. That kind of, like, set my mind on this. So I’ve been studying this for my entire life, and I think I’ve got a really cohesive understanding of it that’s completely different than most of the mainstream ideas. I don’t completely debunk it. Almost all the modern takes just straight up debunk satanic panic. It’s like, oh, it was a product of his time stereotype. Nothing to see here. There were no satanic cults. There was no organized satanic criminal organizations. I think that’s bs. I think all that actually did exist.
But there also was a level of panic where McGruff was like, take out a bite of crime and look out for those satanic pedophiles and vans. Like, it was a weird, weird time for both of those things to exist. Right. But I’ve been working towards this, and the Illuminati comic touches on part of it. The Satanic Panic comic is going to touch on it. The satanic panic game.com is going to build. In fact, when we talked about the Cat people and the seventh victim, the satanic panic game.com is entirely about that. It’s about that guy that goes to the Satanic coven and interviews them to see what’s really going on.
And I built an entire game around that. So I don’t know, there’s. There’s three or four different things that you can look into. Buy them all. Okay, I’m going to plug two things. One is for me and one is for McGruff. Have you ever heard of McGruff’s album Smart Kids? Absolutely. Okay, good. Everyone should go listen to Smart Kids. Just get the song. I know the song titles. Here we go. Full playlist. Skip the first one. It’s that McGruff song that everyone knows and doesn’t like much. But then it just goes into songs called Marijuana Inhalants, Cocaine and Crack Alcohol.
And they’re all based to like Steely Dan jam. Steely Dan jams and stuff, which is kind of awesome. So. Oh, you know what? You’re. You are absolutely reminding me now. Because I remember trying to find those on vinyls to like cut into other songs and YouTube has them for you. Damn. Steely Dan backing tracks kind of ruined that. But now the technology has advanced so far to extract an acapella that this might now be possible again to take the original McGruff talking about crack cocaine and inhalants and turning it into some AI songs. So maybe, maybe I’ll work on that when I got free time.
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