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Summary

➡ The Occult Disney Podcast discusses the deeper meanings and conspiracy theories behind Disney movies, with this episode focusing on Toy Story 3. The hosts, Matt and a paranoid American, debate the movie’s themes of abandonment, materialism, and power dynamics, comparing it to a dark government conspiracy. They also discuss their personal connections to the movie and how it resonates with audiences of different ages. The podcast ends with a discussion on the appropriateness of playing with toys at different ages.
➡ The text discusses the speaker’s fondness for childhood toys, particularly Legos and Disney characters. It also explores cultural differences in how characters are perceived, with Americans often associating characters with their stories, while in Japan, characters are more iconic symbols. The speaker also mentions their work at Disney and the changes in animation studios over time. Finally, the text touches on the speaker’s experiences with a Toy Story ride at a Disney park.
➡ The text discusses how music can significantly alter the emotional response to a movie scene. It also talks about a roller coaster ride that plays different pop songs, leading to varied experiences for the riders. The conversation then shifts to the emotional impact of the Toy Story movie, questioning why audiences feel so emotionally invested in the fate of inanimate objects. The text ends with a discussion about various ongoing projects and podcasts.
➡ The speaker is taking a break and going on a vacation to Disney Sea. They’re discussing a Mickey Mouse hoodie with an American flag design and a sticker collection from Paranoid American, which features various conspiracy-themed designs. They also mention a song or poem with themes of struggle, perseverance, and dealing with haters. The speaker encourages listeners to check out the sticker collection and enjoy the creative content.
➡ In the late 90s and early 2000s, tax breaks for film production in Florida were cut, leading to a halt in production at major studios like Disney and Nickelodeon. This discussion also covers the production of Toy Story 3, which initially had a different plot involving a malfunctioning Buzz Lightyear being sent back to his factory in Taiwan. However, when Pixar took over, they scrapped these ideas and started from scratch. The article also mentions the potential for a Toy Story-themed open-world game similar to Red Dead Redemption or Grand Theft Auto.
➡ The text discusses various conspiracy theories about the “orphan trains” that transported around 200,000 children from crowded cities to rural Midwest families between 1854 and 1929. The theories range from the children being stolen from poor families, to population engineering, to cover-ups for missing children, and even theories about displaced children from lost civilizations. The text also touches on the idea of material possessions hindering progress, and mentions a character named Sid who is content with non-trademarked toys, which is seen as villainous in the Toy Story universe.
➡ The text discusses the characters and plot of the Toy Story movies, focusing on the character dynamics and the implications of their actions. It mentions how some toys, like the army men, choose to leave their owner, Andy, and questions whether this represents a rejection of a god or a parent figure. The text also discusses the voice actors and their roles, and speculates about the future of the Toy Story franchise.
➡ The text discusses the plot of Toy Story 3, where Andy’s toys are mistakenly thought to be trash and almost get incinerated. They escape and end up in a daycare where they are roughly handled by toddlers. The toys eventually return to Andy, who gives them to a girl named Bonnie. The text also mentions a repeating cycle where the toys are passed on when their owners grow up, and questions what happens when Bonnie goes to college.
➡ The text discusses the complexities of the Toy Story series, focusing on the relationship between the toys and their owners. It questions why the toys can’t reveal their ability to talk to humans, and explores the idea of toys having their own autonomy. The text also delves into the moral of Toy Story 3, suggesting it teaches children to value their possessions as if they have feelings. Lastly, it humorously discusses the metaphysics of Mr. Potato Head, questioning where his consciousness resides.
➡ The speaker discusses their personal experiences and feelings about toys, drawing parallels with the Toy Story movies. They reflect on how they used to play with and sometimes destroy their toys, and how they now collect items like music and movies. They also talk about the idea that all toys, and perhaps all material possessions, are ultimately destined to become garbage. The speaker also shares some humorous and embarrassing childhood memories related to toys and school experiences.
➡ The text discusses the character Buzz Lightyear from the Toy Story movies, suggesting that he is inherently dangerous and could potentially harm others. It also draws parallels between Buzz and Charles Manson, implying that both need to be controlled or reoriented when they step out of line. The text further explores the idea of hazing and initiation rituals, using the example of ancient Spartans who were starved and beaten as part of their training. Finally, it mentions the concept of intent in the Toy Story world, suggesting that actions are judged based on whether they are done out of malice or ignorance.
➡ The text discusses hazing rituals, particularly in the Navy, where newcomers are subjected to various humiliating tasks to establish hierarchy and assert dominance. It also talks about the emotional manipulation in Toy Story 3, where the toys are saved from a furnace by aliens, suggesting an anti-religious message. The text further explores the idea of emotional manipulation in films, questioning if changing the music in a scene could alter the audience’s emotional response.

Transcript

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Welcome to the Occult Disney Podcast. It’s where we play with all of the toys behind Disney movies. And we have to keep playing with them. We cannot forget them. We cannot abandon them. We cannot leave these toys in a box. It’s Toy Story 3 today. This is Matt here. It’s a paranoid American over there. This is the most insidious Disney movie of all time, in my opinion. I just. We’re just going to throw it out there. It’s not cool and groovy. It’s not cng. I mean, it’s. It has merit. There’s some good parts about it. But it.

It has the worst lesson. There’s no real Aesop fable here. But if there were an Aesop fable, it gets kind of dark and it gets very materialistic. More so than any other Disney movie than I can even think of. And at this point, I feel like we can say we’re experts. Yeah. Yeah. Now, see that, that I’ve been looking forward to this because I actually love this movie. I think it’s great. At the same time, the darkness is clearly there. So I’m like, aw. Also, like, very willing to get into that. And this is one that, Yeah, I did show my kid a bunch.

I’ve seen this movie 30 times. She wanted to see Toy Story 3 a lot. I’ve seen this way more in the other Toy Story movies. So does your kid have an unusual attachment to material possessions and think that they’re inhabited by souls? I was thinking about that this morning. She has unceremoniously dumped enough toys into the trash, like spring cleanings and stuff. Like, she just, you know, she just started high school and got rid of a whole bunch of stuff. And there are a few things like, oh, you’re getting rid of that. I mentioned it before.

I. I’ve replaced the Cookie Monster with lots of today for obvious reasons, but I actually did save lots of from the trash because my wife had thrown him in the Cookie Monster into trash bag. What the hell? You don’t throw those away. You don’t throw lots away. Lots of away. He’ll come back and murder you in your sleep, you know. But your kid has an actual Lotso bear. Yeah. Yeah. Is that. Is that lot so behind you? That’s lots of behind me. Here you can. We can do the podcast like this if you want. Strawberries. There’s a very small hint.

This lotso is what, 50? We bought it shortly after releasing the movie. So he’s 15 years old. And after. I know at the end of the movie, the trash guy, who apparently just picks up pieces of trash and sniffs them as hard as he can, could still smell the strawberries, but that’s unlikely, so. And yeah, straps into the front of the truck. And that’s where Lotso has been ever since. This one’s a happy one. He doesn’t have a cane. Some of the Lotso toys. He looks grumpy and has a cane. So I. I don’t see this as being the one in the movie.

Right. If. If we are going to, you know, add personality artists. See, maybe. Maybe I’m the one that came away with that instead of my daughter. It sounds like we both, for the first time, we both have very strong personal connections to this particular movie for some reason. Yeah. I was saying beforehand, I used to have a lot to bear shirt too. At the time, I just thought, because when my daughter watched it, she was two and she sparked up to Lotso, like she didn’t understand the story, so she just really liked lots of. So I was like, oh, I.

So there you go. I have to buy Lotso. She likes the evil bear. Yeah, well, Lot Lotso is the powers that be in this movie. He’s this ultimate super villain conspiracy. Like, he’s operating an actual conspiracy. He has eye in the sky, right? This monkey ends up acting as big brother that’s watching everyone and tells you if things are happening. And that Lotso is the one running this daycare and deciding who gets hazed and who has to go through initiation and who can skip initiation because they offer some sort of value to him. And then he puts you under Monarch mind control programming and turns you into an actual assassin that has amnesia.

Like, it kind of represents so many of the things that usually we have to bend over backwards a little bit, like, oh, this is kind of like this. This one is such a direct representation of an actual conspiracy, like a. Like a dark government Operated conspiracy represented by Lotso Bear. And then, yeah, you take the microcosm, make it macrocosm. I guess the way I’ve always seen it is like, this is like Disney’s, you know, remake of Cool Hand Luke for children, which I guess. I guess it kind of is lots of sort of in that role, you know, so you can.

Even on the microcosm, if you don’t. Of course, we do want to put that weird conspiracy layer, but even the microcosm, it’s like, oh, this is Disney’s version of Cool Hand Luke. And that’s pretty strange. I mean, they get the box, all that sort of stuff, right? Yeah, I think, too, just stepping back from the occult breakdown, just critically and watching this movie and comparing it to Toy Story 1 and 2. This one, it feels like there’s some kind of footing. There’s a swagger and a confidence where we’re not going to obsess or bend, you know, to go out of our way to show some kind of technical feats with the 3D or the rendering and, like, weird perspectives, all that sort of in the bag.

And they can actually focus and have a little bit of fun with the storyline. A lot of inside jokes thing. They. They kind of make this one more enjoyable for an older audience, I think. Compared to the first two, the first one’s incredibly juvenile. The second one, they’re sort of finding their footing, and in this one, they already have the formula locked down. They’ve got the tool set locked down so they can actually make a movie out of it. I don’t know if that makes sense, but that’s. That was the feel that I got from it.

No, totally. Actually, yesterday I was talking to a. I was training a new coworker, actually, and she was like, yeah, I. You know, I was saying I was doing this today and watching Toy Story 3, and she was like, yeah, I’m exactly the age Andy was. So she grew up with the film. So, you know, when Toy Story 1 came out, she was, what, 7 or something? So when 2 came out, she was a little older. When Toy Story 3 came out, she was. She was actually going to college when this movie came out. So, you know, I didn’t even put the numbers together.

Does this one age sort of real time? I mean, I guess so. If you. If you know someone that ages the same way. Because in this one, Andy is 17 and he’s leaving to go to college. They. They make a note of that, that he’s 17. So does that mean if you watch the first Toy Story and you’re roughly his age, then you’re 17 when Toy Story 3 comes out. Actually, I think, I think it doesn’t work out exactly that way because let’s say you were. Let’s say Andy was with six when Toy Story came out.

Seven. Six. Seven. He was that old. Right? So. And then Toy Story 2, he only’s like a year older. Right? So that’s Right. There’s not age progress. And technically in this one, when we start out, he still is a kid and then there’s a passage of time in the first 10, 15 minutes, and then he miraculously grows up to be 17. Right. So I guess technically he should be a little bit older. But I mean, if you grew up with these movies, it’s. It’s roughly going to fit. Right. And she did note that, oh, I was going to college exactly when this movie came out.

So, you know, her whole family’s sobbing at the movie for those reasons. Is it weird to still play with toys that you had fun with when you were 6 or 7 when you’re 17 as well? And I, and let me just clarify, I don’t mean to have it on a shelf somewhere and like, oh, yeah, that’s this cool Wolverine doll. But I literally mean, like, I’m fighting you and, you know, go and save the princess and all this, because they’re in a little bit of that. Like, Even as a 17 year old, he’s kind of playing with his toys the same way that he did when he was 6 or 7.

Well, I do have a box of like my childhood Legos in this closet, which, again, you know, Lego’s gonna pass, man, because it’s sort of engineering. That was one of the things. My daughter was throwing away several LEGO things and. And I thought she was throwing away all of them. There’s a family house actually where most of them are, so. Oh, you’re sounding like food. That’s whatever. That’s fine. There were a couple I kept. They were cool dragons. I was like, don’t throw away the cool dragons. And then there was like, for some reason, a big band theory.

Apartments. So you’re the problem here. I’m the problem? Yeah. I’m the pack rat. Is this because you were indoctrinated by Disney in the Disney heartland, more so than the rest of your family that did somehow not growing up with Disney movies, make it so that they can just throw their toys away? Maybe they do grow up with all that stuff. Disney’s pervasive in Japan. But here’s one Thing in Japan, think about Sanrio or something. Like, what is hello Kitty Story? You know, what is Kuromi’s story? I don’t know. Nobody. It’s not like people watch. There are hello Kitty movies, but people don’t really watch them.

So a lot of care, like the Cookie Monster, like, he’s just like a character. People don’t really see him as like something that’s in things. And people do watch the Toy Story movies, but a lot of the Disney characters are really just like characters, you know? And I. I think Americans are more like, oh, here’s Kermit the Frog. He does this, this and this. And in Japan, it’s like there’s a weird looking frog that we put on a T shirt sometimes, if that makes sense. I don’t understand it. I can’t understand it. They don’t care about the stories.

They just care about the iconic iconography, you know, which is. And then. But then anime, you know, everybody’s gonna know, like. Or manga. Everyone’s gonna know Luffy’s story from One Piece. I haven’t read One Piece. I. I don’t know Luffy Story. I didn’t watch that liveaction Netflix thing either. So I don’t really know much about One Piece. But yeah, like, it’s like a kind of rite of passage. You’re going to read all of One Piece and know what these characters do, but you’re not necessarily going to know what the Muppets do get. One Piece is like the Japanese Hemingway, I assume, pirates and stuff.

Do you. Do you want. No. One Piece? I only know there’s a guy with a straw hat and like a red shirt and he. Yeah, see, that’s about. He’s a pirate. But that’s about all I know because I haven’t, you know, watched these or read these and I can. I just haven’t, you know. But kids are maybe coming soon. Maybe we’ll. We’ll dip our toes more into some anime. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But as in next episode to get a start on that. This one does have, like, really interesting production history. I don’t know how much you are familiar with the production history.

Not at all. This was one that I had to work on some ancillary projects for at Disney. And I think around this time they already had the Toy Story ride where you got to like, shoot the. Yeah. Toy Story Mania and this. That was the ride that I was going to the most. When I would have to take a break from work, I would pop into the park and I would go to this, and I would go to Tower of Terror. But this one, I found all the. The cheats and the secret codes and everything to get, like, the high scores.

And so, yeah, again, just another personal connection to Toy Story. Around this time, you got to make a Disney. See, they got Toy Story Mania and the Tower of Terror directly next to each other there. I don’t know if this is still the case, but for anyone that goes on Toy Story Mania, at least the one that was in Hollywood studios, I believe, or MGM Studios, Hollywood studios are called. Now, if you shoot the sun the entire time, you can actually beat most of the other scores. If you’re going for the little rings or doing all the things that you’re supposed to shoot at, if you shoot the sun enough, you can beat the normal scores.

At least that was for a longest period of time. That was sort of like the secret cheat code. Oh, okay. See, See, I’ve only been on the ride once, and. And I was. I was by myself in the car because I went with. I was the third wheel with. With a couple, so they. They, of course, were in the other one. Yeah, but your scores, I think, go with everyone that was on that particular ride, so even. Even the people that aren’t in your car. Okay. What was also funny is when we were going in, there’s a little piece of artwork in the queue, which was.

Which did. It had Woody and Jesse, like, on one side having a fun time shooting the guns. And then you could kind of see Buzz on the other side looking really depressed or something, like he’d just been cucked by Woody or something. So I thought that was funny. Well, right. And I guess maybe I just don’t remember the Toy Story too, as much. But Woody and Bo Peep were a thing, but Woody and Jesse weren’t necessarily a thing. And In Toy Story 3, Buzz and Jesse become a thing. But. Yeah, that’s why the artwork is funny.

They. Yeah, well, that’s. Yeah, I guess so. So, like, in the park lore, they kind of imply that Woody and Jesse are now a thing and that Buzz is cucked in the real world. But like you said, it was before this movie, so they made the artwork not thinking of the. You know, of what happened here. So now it’s just funny. And spoiler alert, Bo Peep does show back up in the next movie, so. Oh, you monster. Ah. Which is like the second lead of it, but. Yeah. When. When did you start. What. What year did you start working for Disney again? 2006.

2006. Because I’m really like, 2016, it was. It was 10 years. Okay, then this is. This is. Should be very interesting since you said you were working on ancillary things. If you remember, the last three Pixar movies were like that. Pixar. Like, we’re not sure if we’re still part of Disney and we’re going to experiment and make these more adult films. Right, right, right. Meanwhile, Disney’s also doing this and they have started something that I think they closed down right about the time you started called Circle 7 Animation. Have you heard of this? Not really. But what productions do they do because.

Because I know that the animation studio that I was working out of, they had done a bunch of other, like, not seemingly Disney. For example, one of the productions was the Adam Sandler Hanukkah movie. Okay. This is something different. Circle 7 Animation never actually put out anything. They were forming 2004 when Michael Eisner is butting heads with Steve Jobs. Right. So it really looks like Pixar is not there anymore. Disney still has the rights to everything up to cars, though. Everything up to and including cars. So, like, we can make Toy Story 3, we can make A Bug’s Life 2, we can make Finding Nemo 2, we can make Cars 2.

So there’s like an alternate development for two years of Toy Story 3. I’m looking at a bit of art here where it shows a bunch of recalled Buzz Lightyears. So once, two years later, Pixar is back in. And I think they basically let these animators just kind of go, you know, it’s not like they were doing something bad, so they were allowed to be back in the fold or whatever. But that’s kind of why I was curious if some of these people were like, kind of coming through right as you were starting or something. I’m pretty sure almost all of this type of animation, though, was all happening on the west coast.

Because the. The whole time that I was at Disney, the animation building was almost just a shell of its former self. In fact, I think they used large portions of it for storage, which is a little bit sad to hear, but, yeah, there were. There was not. Almost all the animation happening on the east coast was internal for inside corporate events. And a lot of the attractions and stuff, a lot of, like, the imagineering fall off work. Ah, they. This takes over. This is interesting. I’m looking at Circle 7’s page, and it says the predecessor was Walt Disney Feature Animation Florida, but the headquarters is Glendon Glendale, California.

So this might be when they moved it over. Yeah, there was a major shift that happened right before I started in. In the backlot production. And mainly what happened, the boring part. I’ll make it really quick. But like the taxes. There used to be really great tax breaks in Florida. Then they got new politicians in and they cut those tax breaks. And that was the death knell. They had so many shows that they were still shooting. The same exact thing happened with Nickelodeon studio at Universal Studios, the Nickelodeon headquarters. They were shooting a handful of actual shows there.

They were doing like Closer Explains at all. They were doing some kind of Double Dare knockoffs with Mark Summers. And then as soon as that same thing happened, all of the productions in Disney stopped. All the productions in Universal Studios stopped and they never came back after that. This was late 90s, early 2000s. Yeah. And I think I. I always went to parks before that. Like, I haven’t been to Universal studios since like 1995, I think. Oh, you in the heyday then you went when you could still get slimed and go through and do the whole tour and everything that.

Oh, yeah, I got Kong, I think, is completely shut down now. I got Kong’s banana breath. Yeah, it was a Blue Man Group for a while, I think. Yeah, Kong’s banana breath. The earthquake, Right. These little jaws, you know, Back to the Future, all that stuff was rolling. So anyway, for Toy Story 3, that was obviously, that’s the first one. They want to do a Circle 7 animation, right? And this sentence sounds like bad news. Bradley Raymond, who previously directed Disney’s directed video sequels such as the Hunchback of Notre Dame 2 and the Lion King 1 1/2, was hired to direct the film, which, I mean, nothing against the guy, but that’s not like a great pedigree if you’re launching a studio.

They were considering a script from the teachers, pets, screenwriters. That’s kind of interesting where they’re going to have Andy and his toys paying a visit to his grandmother’s house. And then the toys are like being stolen one by one and it’s like a murder mystery. So. Oh, that sounds awesome. That was rejected. Disney sat on it for a fourth movie, which I guess was still going to be the Circle seven thing. So they liked it, but they’re like, yeah, we don’t want to do that. I guess they didn’t think that’d be a good kickoff movie, you know.

Fair point. The Meet the Parent screenwriter Jim Herzfeld wrote the. The script they were going to use, which this one always has fascinated me because it doesn’t this one doesn’t sound. And I’ll just read it direct here. It focused on Andy’s toys shipping a malfunctioning Buzz to the factory in Taiwan where he was built with the other toys, hoping he’ll be fixed there. While searching on the Internet, they discover that many more Buzz Lightyear toys are malfunctioning around the world, and the company has issued a massive recall. Fearing Buzz’s destruction, a group of Andy’s toys all ship themselves to Taiwan and venture out to rescue Buzz.

And when they get there, the new toys that you meet in this Toy Story 3 are all the other recalled toys that are in this Tiwanese factory. I mean, I think the movie we got, I don’t know, that’s less emotionally manipulative I get. But the one we got, I guess, is probably better. Once Pixar comes in. Three is also more China friendly, I believe, than what you just described. That one sounds like it might not have gotten the Chinese market. True. Because, yeah, this. They really started printing money with Toy Story 3, the one that was released.

But. But then again, I have. You know, this is the Disney that was putting out Chicken Little and Meet the Robinson. So I don’t. I don’t have, like, high faith in this version of Toy Story 3 with a new production company. It’s a little bit like, I don’t know about that. When the Pixar guys came back, they actually didn’t use any of this Circle Seven stuff. They were like, let’s start from scratch. Just because we don’t want to be influenced by these other ideas. You know, we want to have our own ideas. Yeah. That is honestly so classic Disney, where someone new is in charge and it’s just like, scrap everything that you’ve been working on, because this needs to have my DNA from start to finish.

Well, to be fair, these are the people that made the first two movies, so I think they can claim some ownership to this. Let’s see, just other interesting production things. As I’m looking here, all of their 3D models were corrupted. Like, they could still find the file, but they couldn’t modify the file anymore. So everything was built from scratch for this movie. I mean, it had been 11 years since Toy Story 2, so that makes sense. You mean they went to go and open the models from Toy Story 2 and reuse them, and they had all been corrupted and there was no backups, so it’s error messages prevented them from editing the files.

So I guess that’s corrupted. I don’t know. Oh, and. And Here, here. The film’s art director, Daisuke Tatsumi, is married to Hayao Miyazaki’s niece. Which is why we’re seeing Totoro in this movie, if you’re curious, because that’s some IP that Ghibli they hold close to their chest. It’s kind of surprising that Totoro shows up in this movie. Nice little Easter egg. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Fantastic one. But yeah, that’s the most interesting production thing here though, that there were like multiple alternate versions of this movie from a completely different group of people than what we got in the end.

So. And that was what Disney was going to do there. They were about to do like those direct to video sequels with all of Pixar, which would have, I guess, crap the bet on, on that. All of you know, the toy store IP and all that sort of stuff. I meant when we watched Toy Story 2, I really liked the intro to it because it starts out and you’re in a video game, right? It’s Buzz Lightyear and he’s fighting some space monster and then he dies. And then you realize it was just a game. And on this one, it starts out with Woody chasing down a train and there’s like this dastardly Mr.

Potato Head who puts dynamite on the tracks, which by the way, is one of my favorite, like American cinema motifs is this dastardly villain that’s gonna blow up. And I think this, this goes back to as far as the railroads go back. There was a movie called under the gaslight in the 1850s that hit on this. And then there was a serial called Perils of Pauline, which was. That was basically the premise over and over. And this is where then you get. Not Stanley Whiplash, but. But there was the villain from Bullwinkle, not Boris, but there was another guy that was always like twirling his mustache and putting like tying people down to the train track.

Is that name. No, that’s, that’s. That’s time. That’s. Is it Dick Dastardly? Maybe it might be. He might be. Wacky Races. It was. No, it was. Well, no, Wacky Races, I think is Snidely Whiplash. It was whoever was opposite the Canadian Mountie. I didn’t expect to go into this avenue, by the way. But anyways, that original motif is one of my favorite in cartoons and movies. Anything. And it starts out in this, in this one and is because of how Toy Story 2 started as a game. All I can think of was like, oh my God, how cool would it be if There was a Toy Story, Woody themed Red Dead Redemption open world where you get to do everything you can think of in Red Dead Redemption, but it’s Woody or it’s like Toy Story and you can go through.

And honestly, this seems like the cooler timeline we got stuck with the crappy timeline where Disney just makes these live action remakes and like Snow Woke and all the weird bombs that we’ve seen over the last couple decades. But there has to be. In the infinite sets of timelines, there’s a reality where someone’s in a dimension out there where they got GTA Toy Story right off the bat and they didn’t have to go through all the crap that we’re going through. Gta, Toy Story, gta cars. Right? Like, you could. You could make the coolest open world Disney game where you can be Woody and play it like it was Red Dead.

You can be, you know, any of the cars characters and play it like it was gta. Like, there’s so many opportunities there. I said the most horrible idea when you said that, because I was like, oh, yeah, you get in the car and it have eyes and stuff. I was like, wait a minute. The cars are the characters. The cars would need to rip open people and get inside of them. Okay. I don’t know how that would work physically. Yeah. I was like, what’s the opposite? I was like. And that’s the first thing that came to mind for some reason.

The beginning of this movie. I always have flashbacks to a Back to the Future 3’s climax, I guess. Which again. Well, that does. That doesn’t have a mustache twirling Goodland. Well, it has. It has old. Whatever Biff. It’s in that. But he’s already been punched out by that point in the movie. So he’s not there anymore. Right. And the train motif. And another. And just to throw out here too. And this is in the first three minutes of the movie. I had so many notes as soon as it started. It’s not just any train. It’s a freaking orphan train.

And I don’t know how far down the orphan train conspiracy rabbit hole you’ve gone. Is this even familiar to you? The. The orphan trains mud flood? Well, it put. There’s so many variations. Yes, that’s the way I heard it. I know what you’re talking about, though. Yeah. Short answer. Yes. And. And just as a summary for anyone that’s like, what the heck’s an orphan train between? And there’s a bunch of them. There was also orphan trains, I believe in World War II. But there was a specific American version of the orphan trains. Between 1854 and 1929, there was an estimated 200,000 children that were sent from crowded east coast cities out to rural families in the Midwest.

And the. The intent here, the official storyline was it was to rescue these poor abandoned orphan kids and put them with good old Christian farm families. But this is where all the different conspiracy theories come from. There is the. The orphans were actually stolen conspiracy theory where they come from these immigrant families or single mothers or poor households and they just get snatched up by the state. There is a mass population engineering version where they’re trying to dilute these cultural family lines and send them out to white people out in the Midwest just to kind of like put a little cream in everything.

Right. Just to make everything a little bit more ubiquitous. There is also a cover story for missing kids where kids were getting snatched up and exploited and who knows what’s happening to them. So they run this orphan train narrative just to kind of COVID up the tracks of this actual trafficking network. And then there’s the one that you just mentioned, which is this big reset to found to what they call foundling hospitals and reset theories. And this is where orphans were usually displaced children of these lost civilizations like Tartaria, like you know, all the other ones that you can fill in the blank and from this worldwide cataclysm.

And the only way that they could either not just kill them all off was to say that they were these orphans from the city. So I just thought that was wild, that it could have been any kind of train. But then all of a sudden all these trolls pop out and they’re like we’re orphans. Which makes it literally an orphan train. Right? I wasn’t even trying to look into that. I mean Canada in reverse. Right? Didn’t they. They send all the First Nation kids from like Pacific Northwest and stuff off to the east to be in boarding schools which was actually MK Ultra funded.

If you, if you look into that, like percent MK Ultra funding went into that. That’s a wild, wild story. Yeah, that’s. It’s like get all the native out of them kids is what seemed to be the thing there. Which you know that that’s pretty culture destroying, which sucks. But that’s what happens. It’s kind of what we do, kind of our thing. How I. I did. When once we get to the jump to 2010, I guess it’s supposed to be 2010, I was thinking this is like late stage Manson Family. You know, Manson’s choice, of course, is to start telling his increasingly despondent millions minions to go kill in that case.

Because that was kind of the thing when you read about that. It was like it was, you know, sex, drugs, and happiness. What, in 67, it’s starting to atrophy by 69, you know, so what do we do next? That’s, that’s. And you know, Woody kind of is a cult leader, so I really had that running through my mind. But what Woody’s missing is that he doesn’t have any artistic endeavors to disappoint the world with, which seems to be the key catalyst to create a true madman. I mean, Hitler and Manson are only two examples of that, but if someone had just fostered their creativity, who knows what they might have accomplished? So, yeah, Manson, as soon as he realizes he’s not going to cut it in the music entertainment industry, he snaps.

And then just like, okay, fine, MK Ultra. Do what you need with me, Jolly West. I’m yours for the taking. Yeah, I guess Woody’s more of a religious zealot, as we mentioned in the previous movie. So that’s a slightly different strain of call it. What? He could be Mormon. I’m just throwing that out there. He, he has all the qualities that you would expect from Mormon, although he never states what his religion is. Maybe the factory that made the Woody’s was in Salt Lake City, and by having the factory located in there, you are automatically Mormon.

I feel like they’ve left the door open at any point. We could have a Woody is Mormon backstory and it could cohesive five coming out next year. We’ll see. Oh yeah, I was judging Andy’s teenage guitar, you know, which I was like, ah, that. That’s not even a squire, man. That’s a knockoff. That’s not a Japanese 12 string fender. What even is Japanese? What are you even doing, man? No, no, I, I, we. I played in a band and you know, in our teens and we were all playing like absolute garbage guitars, you know, whatever. I can’t be judging judgmental.

I had a PV Raptor, which I learned way after the fact that was looked down upon by anyone that cared. Yep. BC rich mockingbird base. I think when I was like 13 and 14, which. And I don’t think it was an American made one either, so it was absolute garbage. Then we got an Epiphone Les Paul bass, which wasn’t set up right and played that. I didn’t play a proper bass till I was like 25, but I did most of My gigging before that. So whatever. Interesting. And my. My two favorite albums were both recorded in the bathroom on subpar microphones.

So, I mean, it’s. It’s. At a certain point, it’s no longer about music. It’s about something else. It. This might be The Toy Story 3 programming coming out a little bit where you. You are so obsessed with your material possessions that they’re getting in your own way of progress. Yeah, no, I mean. I mean, hey, midlife crisis. Bunch of guitars. That makes sense. I mean, there’s. There’s worse things I guess you could do with a midlife crisis. I recently watched American Beauty again for. For, you know, you could do that. Kevin Spacey’s real midlife crisis crisis.

Would you consider the. The. The. The Tate murders? Midlife crisis. He was, what, 35 at the time? He needed a few more years. He was just crazy. Charlie programmed, you know. Did you ever see the. The. The Ben Silver show sketch Manson, where it’s made to look like a Lassie, but now Manson is in the Lassie role? No, I have it. What. What is this from? Is a full show or just a skit? It’s from the sketch. It’s from a sketch. The Ben Stiller Show. And you get. It’s. It’s Bob Odenkirk playing Charles Manson, and it’s one of the best things ever.

Just. He’s got lines like, I got the eye of the tiger, and I don’t know who to kill first. You know, when Charlie’s the cook, we’ll have brain stew for dinner. So. Yeah. Yeah, I’ll get that your way. That’s one of my favorite, you know, sketch comedy bits ever. Oh, yeah. I have to go and get all the Stiller episodes. I don’t think I’ve actually watched all those there. Yeah, they put out the DVDs like, 20 years ago, and I poured through that. That. The Dana Carvey show. I was getting all those. All those forlorn 90s sketch shows from, you know, pretty good comedians.

Right? So Dana Carvey show, another big. A big hit on that. On that list, Sid as well. Do we assume Sid is the garbage man and that he’s just maybe a year or two older and Andy and gainfully employed with the city? Now, maybe, is he the truck driver at the end that takes the bear, or is. Is he just working? That guy was older. That guy was, you know, he had some. Some dude energy. But Sid, I think, was the one that comes by Andy’s house to pick up the trash. That’s man. I mean, pun not intended.

They really dump on him because again, he’s the one that is satisfied with non trademarked, non like official toys. He’s the one that can take and make his own toys and had fun with them. Which is the ultimate villain in the, in the Toy Story universe. Right? Yeah. Well, he’s got health insurance probably. Maybe after his garbage man job he goes and plays in like a goth death metal band at night, you know? Right. And he’s got like an outfit made out of just severed doll heads. Yes. Brand for Sid. Absolutely. I mean he’s probably doing something.

I’d like to think he’s doing something artistic. He’s gainfully employed. You know, sometimes the job is to fuel other things, isn’t it? Usually the Toy Story universe seems to be compatible with the child’s play universe. So it’s just the matter that in the child’s play universe that isn’t his name Andy too? Or am I. Am I mixing that up? In the child’s play universe, it’s just a possess. It’s like a. The spirit of a murderer. But he could have gotten Woody. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah. And we know some toys are evil. I mean lot Lotso is not redeemed at the end of this.

Right. Lotso is through and through despicable till the end. That’s. It’s fine that he’s with the weird muppety toys on a. On a grill eating bugs at the end. Right. And by the way, his name is Andy. I had to look it up. Child, the child’s play, the kid’s name is also Andy. I wonder if that was intentional. I have to assume it was. Yeah. We’ve had the my buddy discussion before, haven’t we? So we don’t need to get into that. One thing about Lotso, I’m a hugger. I’m definitely not a hugger. That’s why I like living in Japan.

Nobody ever hugs. Even when you meet family, nobody goes around hugging each other, so. Well, that’s his literal name that it’s lots of Lots of hugging bear. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That’s where John Laster has his more recent nickname. Right. Lots of hugging Lassiter. Yep. Another Kevin Spacey reference. I assume maybe I’m a touch or feeler. Here’s something because we did talk about it some in Toy Story 2. And even before things go wrong, just when they’re up in the attic, Jesse is like fully like disassociating again, you know, Or I guess when they’re in the Box or going back to.

Anyway, she’s just. Jesse, like, the first sign that things are going wrong. She’s like, you know, having a complete trauma reaction. Well, Jesse has seen all the potential. Like, she almost got sent to Japan originally. Right. They get. They get snatched up by the Collector, and Jesse is turns into sort of the main protagonist in that entire ordeal. Would. Woody kind of checks out, and she takes over the. The lead role in a way. And then now in this movie, I think she’s gonna be traumatized from that. And Woody is back. Back in his sort of cult leader role.

I mean, I can’t not call him a cult leader, because you said it. Yeah, but it’s just a late stage caught, which. Yeah. Is a. Is a forlorn feeling, I guess. This is. This is Heaven’s Gate. I was gonna say what he’s about to say. Yeah, I was literally about to say Evans Gate. This is. Or this is like, right before they start mixing the Kool Aid and the flavor aid with the cyanide in Guyana, Jonestown, where they’re like, all right, this is end times. This is the only way out. Because Woody is clearly telling everyone, all right, like what? Like, we’re headed to the attic.

This is the end of the line. If Andy wants us in the attic, then we’re gonna go to the attic and just sit there forever if that’s what he wants. And he’s convincing everyone else to do this. And the only ones that decide to bail are the army guys. They’re like, we’re out of here. And they just take off. That is funny. They’re such fair weather friends. Then they show up again at the end at the. At the preschool, because now things are, you know, cool and groovy again, as Ken says. Is it fair weather friends? Because, I mean, he is moving on, and they are going to go into the attic.

Well, in the. In the Woody caught vibe, it’s. It’s not right. I’m actually looking when. When Ermey died. Lee Ermie. Lee Ermie died. And I’m guessing maybe he just wasn’t. No, he lived till 2018. I guess he just didn’t want to have anything to do with his movie. What was his role? Yeah, what was his role again? He was the army. The army commander voice, and he’s the. The drill sergeant and Full Metal Jacket, so. So that’s to, you know, the army men just going out. I think it’s kind of. Kind of like how in the next movie, you know, Dom Wrinkles dies before the Next Rickles.

Excuse me. Dies before the next movie. So everything that Mr. Potato Head says in Toy Story 4 is just, like, outtakes. I think it’s outtakes from Toy Story Mania, actually. Oh, nice. They. They. South Park Chef them. Yeah, yeah. So he’s still kind of there, but I’m assuming. I feel like five. Well, I was looking at the week even before, you know, when I was doing my research for this podcast. And five, there’s not much on it, but the only confirmed cast members are Tim Allen and Tom Hanks and somebody else in a new role, somebody relatively famous.

Anyway, it doesn’t matter. But didn’t, like, list, like, you know, 10 voice actors playing, like, your regular toys. And. And I’m wondering if they’re going to just, like, try and find a way to do this without needing 15 celebrities every time, you know? You know, it would be such a weird train wreck, but I would absolutely love to see a live action Toy Story starring Tom Hanks and Tim Allen, like, opposite cgi, that stuff. But, yeah, I want to know that they were, like, sharing the same energy. No cgi, no mocap. They have to be in the costumes.

It needs to be on film. Not. Not even digital cameras. No cuts. All just, like, Broadway style. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We need to see how old they are. I will maintain that I liked Captain America, Brave New World because I just wanted to see a very old Harrison Ford turn to a hawk. Did it happen too late in the movie? Probably, but it still happened. And that was. That’s all I. That’s all I wanted from the movie, and it gave me that. So set your expectations low and you can be, you know, very happy. So that’s bad.

Members of this cast, members of this movie dying. They also imply. I mean, spoiler alert. You already said that Bo Peep comes back in the next one. But Woody does make the statement early on when he’s talking to his cult about we’ve lost many friends along the way. And then he follows it up with, like, some have gone on to new owners. But the way that he says it is as if, like, Etch A Sketch is one of the examples. Like, what actually had this Etch come back in. In Toy Story 4. Do you know? I can’t remember.

Yeah, because, you know, again, they have to, like, they still have some of The Toy Story 3 toys around, and. And then they have a whole new set of toys in four. So four just has such a ridiculous amount of characters. That’s where I’m, like, wondering if five. They’re like, hit the brakes. We’ll see. Maybe they’ll go more nuts. But it just. At some. Some point, it just turns into Wally there. Everyone is just at the. The garbage dump. Because the world is the garbage dump. Yeah. Yeah. Of course, I did have to replace Jim Varney as Slinky Dog because he died, like, right after they did toy story 2.

I’m not even sure if he was still living for the release of that movie. So I’m not sure if Slinky Dog even has a line in this movie. We see a cameo, but I think that he’s just there. Oh, he’s got a line. Which I might have written down. We can only. No, I didn’t. He’s. He’s got like, I get a little kink in my slink or something when he’s trying to get them across the dumpster. So he’s got a couple. Yeah. Oh, this is a new voice actor, isn’t it? So, yeah, they don’t focus too much on Slinky Dog.

He probably has about four lines, but he had at least one. I gotta kink him a slink. So I do remember that about this Woody cult leader thing. I just some. Some sort of existential questions, right? If Andy wants us an attic, we’ll be there for him. This is that undying, you know, like, I don’t care what the rest of the world looks like. I’m gonna follow and see my purpose through. But there are toys that reject that premise. For example, the military guys jump out the window. Right? So is. Is this toys rejecting Andy? Is this toys rejecting their God? Is.

Is this represent God versus God’s creations? Or is this more like a parental dynamic where Andy’s the. The parent and the toys are his children? And either way, is it okay for that superior being to abandon these lower beings that are clearly attached to him? You haven’t seen Toy Story 4 yet, is that correct? I don’t know if. If I have, I don’t remember it as much as, okay, somebody had that in the back of their mind when they’re making that movie because we get some of the actually worth they’re thinking about. Your question is what I’m saying.

I mean, maybe not quite as demiurgy as the way you just said it. Well, I mean, you mentioned that. And maybe I’ll leave some of this when we do Toy Story 4. But the only other thing I was thinking of is there’s the concept of, like, deism, like classic American founder deism. And this is that that God is Almost like a clock maker. And he made the clock and now he’s done with the clock and he walks away. And we just operate on this natural law that’s inherent in our physical reality. And we have not even like a loving or even an evil God, just one that is gone now.

He’s. He’s moved on to something else and we’ve been left to our own devices. So there’s like this deist approach where Andy. Right. If he’s the God in this case, he just walks away. And Lee, he just goes to college. They’re in the attic almost. Brave little toaster style, right? Like the God. The gods are dead. The gods are gone and they’re just trying to figure that out. Or is it a form of Gnosticism? That’s right about to go. I was gonna say that’s passing the. That’s the toy, Bardo. You’re passing through there, right? As a toy.

You’ve died one life and now you’re in another life. And the only way to escape is in the blazing inferno of the. Of the. Of the dump yard. You have to go through an actual transformation, an alchemical transformation through the fire. Right, right. Otherwise you just got a new owner. I mean, hey, in the past. Yesterday, I’m walking into the train station and it’s not like a full size figure, but it’s like a little, you know, like a little plush thing that you would put on a bag. And there’s a woody right there. You know, I could have picked up the woody and it was a nice clean one.

Yeah. Owner’s gonna come by. Three days ago, same thing. I was walking by. There’s Kuromi. Do you know Kuromi? I don’t. That’s the same. It’s a Sanrio character. No, no, she’s the little devil Sanrio character. And there’s a little Kuromi. I like Kuromi. I was like, yeah, someone’s coming by for it. We’ll let that, you know, happen. It’s the beginning of the school year in Japan. Kids are putting things on bags, they’re falling off. I assume that’s what’s happening, you know. And of course, it would be a Westerner that’s like, oh, that’s mine now. Yeah, exactly.

So, hey, the thought went through my mind, didn’t it? But I was like, ah, someone’s probably coming. You’ve heard those stories that Japan’s a play. I don’t know how true this is, but like, Japan’s a place where can leave accidentally Leave your wallet on like a park bench or like a restaurant table and come back two hours later and it might still be there. That is correct. Unless Matt’s walking by and he’s like, oh, a woody. I left the woody. What have I. I thought about it. It crossed my mind. I mean, it was clean. It wasn’t like dirty.

Right? Like, I mean, again, end of this movie, they’re. They’ve been in the junkyard, they get slightly hosed off. I’m like, they still smell like feces. A little hoes not going to do anything. Andy is giving Bonnie a toy. A toxic smells like that smell like coming off anytime soon. I think. I don’t know. I think about smells a lot when I watch movies, so. Well, especially little kids. Toys do have a certain o day little kid to them. Yeah. The Caterpillar Room smells funky. I’m sure. I have had as a, as a teacher for years, and this happened just yesterday where it’s like, do I smell funn me? I’m like, wait a minute, there’s five kids in this room and they’re wearing socks.

It’s probably not me. And you say the cat. I guess moving along, you say the Caterpillar Room. The Caterpillar Room. Should we do. Let me do a quick synopsis of the movie just so some of this makes sense. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Andy grows up in this movie. He goes from 7 to 17, roughly. And the mom comes in, he’s going off to college, and she basically says, some of your toys are getting donated, some are going into the attic, or if you want to bring some to college with you, and the rest of them are going into the garbage.

So Andy puts all of your favorite IP characters into this bag and he’s going to bring them up into the attic. But he gets distracted at the last second. And instead of bringing the bag of toys up into the attic, he leaves it on the ground. And then the mom comes around, trips over the bag and. And thinks, oh, they’re this black bag. I guess this is garbage. Brings them to the garbage. So the whole entire premise is that all of Andy’s toys and all of these characters that we’ve fallen in love with over the last two movies are now going to be incinerated.

And there’s like this ticking time dynamic that we need to save them and get not only so they don’t die, but so we can put them back into Annie’s possession and he’ll know what to do with them. And through the course of that movie, what actually Happens is that a bunch of them escape and get donated to a preschool or like some kind of a daycare center called Sunnyside Daycare. And the Caterpillar Room is for the toddlers, is for the youngest of the people. And whoever is in this caterpillar room with the toddlers are just getting abused.

Immediately, the kids run in, they’re smashing the toys together. They’re licking and biting and eating the toys. They’re doing all sorts of horrible. Like, this is basically like an Aztec sacrificial ceremony, right? For the. In the. The toy equivalent. So this is seen as the worst possible outcome. And I almost wonder, does this mean they would rather just be incinerated than be stuck in this caterpillar room for eternity? And what happens is that the Caterpillar room turns out to be a hazing ritual. This is where all of the new initiates into this daycare center, Sunnyside, which might be sun worship, who knows? But anyone that gets initiated into this new mystery school, they have to go through this hazing ritual until the next wave of initiation toys come through.

And then they go through the Caterpillar room so that it’s. It’s a very specific hazing ritual motif that the. The movie picks up on right around the halfway point, all the way until the end. Finally, they do get restored back to Andy, but then Andy brings them to some girl that lives down the street, and she gets to play with them. And that’s kind of the entire movie. And in the back of my mind, I’m thinking, yeah, but what happens when she goes to college? They just go. This is just the same repeating story over and over and over again for these toys.

Toy Story 4 will not address that. They do not time jump much for that one. Just in case you’re wondering, Molly’s still like, you know, five or whatever that could be. Toy Story Bonnie. Yeah, get her name right. But where were we? We’re in the Caterpillar. The. The Human Centipede room. You brought up the Caterpillar Room and the. And the Caterpillar room. Again, this is the hazing ritual. This is the thing that. That all the toys are trying to escape from. And at the end of the movie, I guess it’s. It’s sort of weird. Like, once they’ve established that this caterpillar room exists and this is where toys go to get abused and tortured, that still happens.

They just spread it around a little bit more. Now, instead of the new wave, the new initiates having to deal with the Caterpillar Room by The end of the movie, everyone has to deal with it. They’re almost playing tag team where one of the toys gets viciously abused and smashed against the ground, and he rolls under a dresser and he’s sort of like high fives. You know, he does like a wrestling tap on his partner and then the partner comes out and then they abuse that guy. I’m just wondering. This doesn’t sound like a favorable solution at all.

Like, they didn’t solve the problem that their normal waking life is just being abused non stop. Because humans bad in this iteration of Disney morality. And I would notice if the toys, as a. As a person or a teacher, if the toys were just randomly shifting from room to room, I. I think I noticed that. You know, why is it in here today? What? Huh? You know, actually, the Cookie Monster doesn’t. I don’t use him much with kids anymore. The main reason is because he’s got these ping pong ball eyes. And the first thing kids do are like, go for the eyes, right? I’m like, stop that.

Don’t break the Cookie Monster. Because of course they want to punch him in the face and stuff. Because. Because of course they do. Well, it’s a puppet. You kind of. There’s something inherent in any normal person. When they see a puppet, you do want to punch it for some reason. And I don’t know if they address this in Toy Story 4. If they do, let me know. But I’m just one. Like, what is the rule here? Because Andy doesn’t want to part with his toys, but he realizes that he’s growing up and he needs to give them to someone that’s going to appreciate them more.

I guess that’s like the on the surface story. And Woody and the rest of the toys, they don’t want to give up Andy. Hell, if anything, Woody wants to be ride or die with Andy until Andy is, you know, old and dead, right? He wants to be his best friend forever and ever and ever. And it would solve all the problems that everyone in this entire series has if Woody can just be like, hey, Andy, I can talk. Hey, Andy. Like, I. I have my own soul and I can move around, and I’ve got some sort of autonomy to me now all of a sudden, Andy wouldn’t be a freak that’s refusing to grow up because he’s keeping his toys, because his toys are freaking special, right? And the toys don’t have to worry about getting thrown out because they are inherently special.

So what is it that makes it so they cannot be seen Talking in front of these humans. Is it like a magical switch? I think there’s some stuff in that about that 4 that’s not what I took away. And I guess I’ll just throw out a little bit of four, because we’re getting into it. So if you really don’t want be spoiled, hit the 30 second button once or twice ahead. But basically it’s like a little bit in the future. And Woody is not Bonnie’s favorite toy. Like, not even close. He spends most of his time in the closet and he gets separated again.

There’s a pawn shop. I’ve only seen this movie once. But basically what he learns from Bo Peep is like, you don’t need an owner. You just go out and live your life as a toy. Maybe it’s a story about him breaking his heterosexuality. Maybe. But at least getting out of his religious zealotry, like That’s Toy Story 4 is him getting out of this zealot of. Of having an owner. Basically, because his new owner doesn’t like him as much. He’s now just like a. A worker drone toy, basically. You know, Right. Because of the. The. The gender norms have switched because now he’s owned by Bonnie and Bonnie doesn’t.

She wants him to. Cowboy’s not going to be. Probably not going to be a girl’s favorite. You know, she’s gonna like Jesse a little better, possibly. So he gets stuck in the closet and finds his way out of the closet. Yeah, yeah. Finds his way out of closet. Okay, sorry. That was the part I was not connecting with, but you could say that. But yeah, that’s. That’s Bo Peep. Like, he’s like Bo Peep. And you’d learn what happened to her, like, you know, being. I again forgot the details. But Bo Peep never got a new owner.

She’s. She’s been off on her own Bo Peeping around. So whatever that means. I’ve got a couple. I’ve got a couple other questions here. The just. Just random ones that popped up throughout the movie. If you piss off your toys, will they retaliate? If you piss off the Toy Story crew, will they retaliate? Because there is retaliated against Sid in the first movie. Right. Well, I’m talking about Andy here because there is a certain point where you can almost hear resentment when they’re like, how dare he throw us away? How can he just cast us out? And Woody has to sort of back them down.

Like, no, no, guys, Andy would never do that. And he’s our best Friend. But if Woody wasn’t there to chill them out a little bit, does this turn into small soldiers or puppet master, maybe? I mean, that’s what happened. Lotso is pretty pissed at his old owner, which he took a different tact. But he could have. He could have gone puppet master on. On his old owner, I suppose. And. And I mean, they are clearly capable of setting a fire or setting up some sort of horrible mortal trap, Right. For humans, it seems like they are more than capable of killing someone.

In fact, we saw that in Toy Story 2. There was an example where they could have killed somebody. Yeah, yeah. So this world is dangerous, you know, I mean that once we get to the world of cars, no more humans. It’s all cars now. You know, maybe cars are like the toys. Here’s another question. Does Mr. Potato Head even need a body? Because I was going to say winner. How much? I have a note here. How much are we going to talk about Potato Head metaphysics? Right. Well, Ship of Theseus. Right? But in this case, if you just take the sensory inputs of Mr.

Potato Head, you can put them anywhere. And he continues to be Mr. Potato Head. He can. Because in this movie they. He turns into a zucchini, I think. Where now all of his ears and his eyes and his mouth and his feet and his hands are stuck into a zucchini and he can walk around and it doesn’t seem like he’s missing any faculties. So what is the body part? Yeah, I guess we are getting into the physics of Mr. Potato Head. Where is Mr. Potato Head’s brain? And Mrs. Potato Head has that all CNI thing going on, Right? So because her eyes back at Andy’s house.

So that’s how they’re keeping eye on if Andy’s left for college yet or not. Right, Right. There’s the potato eyes sort of link here, too, which they played on that in the first one, I think. But it seemed like she didn’t realize she could do that because she’s just like, oh, I can suddenly see, you know. Yeah. There’s like a ghost of Andy walking by when they’re not anywhere near that. And she realizes that she can just put her eye anywhere. So in a way, she’s kind of like the monkey at the Sunnyside Daycare because they have that.

That creepy monkey that, like claps the little symbols in front and he just sits in front of a bunch of cameras or in a bunch of like, CCTV room watching the cameras all over the place. I mean, the Mr. Potato Head, Mrs. Potato Head could play that exact same role here. Right. But big difference is the monkeys using pure technology other than the basic toy magic that they’re all live in the first place. But the monkeys using technology, whereas the Potato Heads have some kind of like, metaphysical power superpower, you know? Yeah, good point. Yeah. And we.

And what is that? What is that? Like, soul? And does that mean that the body of Mr. Potato Head does not contain any of the soul and it’s all in the eyes and the nose and the mouth. And I just wonder at what point. Because Ms. Potato Head can be without one of her eyes. Right. So could you take away one of everything? And we’ve seen some examples where there’s no nose and no mouth and they continue to exist. Like, if you take away Mr. Potato Head’s mouth, does he ever starve? Is that. Does any of that work out? Does Mr.

Potato Head eat. What does a potato eat? Yeah, yeah. I mean, they grow those weird things out of them. I mean, the real potatoes, not Mr. Potato Head, but they gotta be eating something. Are those roots? I realize these are maybe rhetorical questions that don’t have solid answers. One question that maybe has a solid answer. What is the actual moral of Toy Story 3? What are you walking away with learning or understanding about yourself or the world? Don’t destroy your stuff. Keep all your stuff and pass it to someone else. I mean, I was pack rack and somewhat before this movie came out, to be fair.

But yeah, in my mind, the. The moral of the story is be a pack rat. Don’t throw out your things. That you have some sort of an obligation to your material possessions. Because there is either a God to like a creator to created relationship, or at the very least, there’s a parent to child relationship. And really, that’s what I think is the most insidious of all Disney programming. It’s more than, like I. I’ve said a few other times, it’s worse than Dick Castles. It’s worse than all teenagers take off your clothes. And in Aladdin, if someone whispers that it’s more insidious than having to freeze a frame on a laser disc to see a nipple in the.

The rescuers. Right. It’s more insidious than any of those things. This is literally teaching your children that you can’t throw away your toys and that your toys love you and that you should love your toys back because they’re actual souls. And they feel despair and they feel abandonment and they feel terror, and ultimately they feel pain if they get incinerated or crushed in Some kind of a garbage dump. I. I can’t imagine what that would have done to me as a kid because again, I famously thought the guess who pieces talked. So if you told me that my toys had souls all the way up until 6 or 7, I probably would have fallen for that.

Yeah, sure. Like, I guess for me, like, I was already in the habit of like, keeping dumb stuff when this movie came out. So it was like. Like, stay the course. Of course I moved to Japan and, you know, I only. I did send a fair amount of stuff over here, but the. I certainly jettisoned quite a bit of stuff as well, you know. So, I mean, I. I’m. Maybe I’m giving you more credit than you deserve, but I’m imagining that it’s more of a. Like, I’ve collected this stuff and I like it and it reminds me of a cool time versus there is a soul inside of this material possession.

And if I get rid of it, it will suffer that I am directly responsible for something else suffering in the world. I mean, I’ve kind of turned my room into my own personal tower records because we still have them in Japan, but they’re mostly depressing. I went into the one in Ikebukuro, which is one of the major centers of Tokyo, a few weeks ago, and it was. I think I mentioned it was just like barely anything there. And I was like, this is a bummer because tower always used to be the place you go to and they just.

You’d have a full library of music. So now my room’s just stuffed with a full library of music and movies and I can just discover things in my room like I used to at a tower of records, you know, and that’s. That’s how my brain works, I think. When I was 6 or 7, I tried to turn my room into a museum for my parents, you know, And I try and like, schedule television days using VHS tapes. Like, we own this room, Matt. We don’t need you to turn it into anything. This is our house. Right, right.

But I turn it into a museum. I make little signs and stuff. Right? So, I mean, unfortunately that the. The bad lesson. This movie might be somewhat baked into my personality anyway, but. And then with my daughter didn’t take. She’ll throw away stuff. So, yeah, it didn’t program the kid. And I was like, hey, yeah, sure. I don’t feel so bad about this anymore. Well, there’s actually a quote from Lotso bear in here, and Lotso says we’re all just trash waiting to be Thrown away. That’s all a toy is. And at a, at a deep level, man, let’s, let’s ignore the fact that they’re obviously drawing a metaphor for, like, we’re all just born to die, man.

But if you take it at face value that all toys are. Are garbage waiting to be thrown away, it’s hard to argue against that, that, that unless we’re talking about some crazy rare thing like Woody, I guess, would be Woody and, and Jesse and the, and the, the horse, because they’re part of this rare set and someone’s willing to pay money and they’ll put it in a museum somewhere. But aside from that, the ETIC sketch and the Slinky dog and all of the other, like, even the Buzz Lightyear, right? This mass produced Buzz Lightyear, aren’t they truly garbage just waiting to be thrown away at some point? Isn’t that really what they.

They are like, without getting deep on it? Well, we’re all worm feet in the end, actually. The toys aren’t. We are. Of course, of course. But I mean, let’s, let’s ignore the human metaphor and let’s just look at like a Buzz Lightyear toy. Is that not garbage waiting to be thrown away at some point? Or like a Ninja Turtles action figure? Yeah. What happened to my Ninja Turtles action figures? I don’t know. I’ve got, I’ve got one. I, I was all the way up until I was probably seven or eight and I was playing with these things.

I was probably worse than the theater, the, the Sunny side daycare center with toddlers. Like, I’ll find old action figures and my parents will send them to me and they are just absolutely demolished. One of them was like, filled with toothpaste or something from like 20 years ago. Like. Yeah, there’s like, little melt marks on them. I think some of them had some run ins with firecrackers. Like, I guess I would have been the most evil person in the Toy Story universe. Yeah, I, I think I mentioned in the previous one, but my, my friend across street and I, we, We turned all of our.

We modified our GI Joes to be X Men because they didn’t make good X Men toys at the time. I don’t know if I mentioned this one before either, but like, also, just being mean to toys, hopefully that’s not a marker for being a psychopath. Like, it’s not the same as torturing animals, but torturing toys was one of the funniest things ever. One of my earliest memories was that my, my next Door neighbor and my best friend, he took his cousin’s Barbie doll and he just dunked its hair into like an old pot that had like noodle water or something in it.

And it was the fun. Like, I literally laughed so hard that I just started peeing my pants uncontrollably. And I remember my dad was in the house next door. He’s on like the third or fourth story, looking out the window, seeing me laughing and peeing my pants, and he like runs outside and he grabs me and brings me inside. But like, just the concept that we were being mean to a Barbie doll was just the funnest thing in the world to me. So, yeah, I guess, like, that’s worse than Sid. At least Sid is appreciating his toys.

Yeah. I have watched two kids pee themselves in the past two months. One was too old for. He’s like 7 or 8 and he just, he was too scared to ask you to the bathroom. And then he comes up to the board and the whole class like, ah. Which that’s got to be trauma inducing for that kid. But hey, he didn’t say anything. For me, it’s when it’s in the first grade and they served fish and Jello at the school lunch and I hurled in the middle of the cafeteria. Fish and Jello? Come on, that’s another combination.

Wait, there was fish inside the jello? Oh, no, no, no. There’s fish and there was Jello, but you don’t eat them side by side. That’s a weird mix, right? I think. Am I wrong? I get. Honestly, I don’t know if you ever eat fish and dessert at the same time that it seems like you would separate any of those meals. Regardless. Anyway, I guess I trauma induced myself because you hurl in the, the school cafeteria and you’re like, yep, fish jello don’t go together. And they never will now. They never will. That’s correct. Yeah. I mean, I’ll eat fish.

I don’t eat that much Jello though. Yeah, this is horse hooves, right? Boiled horse hooves. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Do we have Jello? I mean, we have gelatin in Japan. I don’t know if we have Jello in Japan, but I feel like once you’re older and eight, you don’t really want Jello anyway. Unless you’re Bill Cosby or. And then you turn 70 and you want it again. Yeah, there’s the nicest. There’s the nicest reference that guy’s gotten in a while. I guess he’s a Jello Guy. Yeah, nothing worse than a preschool toilet. I’m talking about bad things there.

Should any sentient creature have the attic job. See, that’s the thing. Woody’s. Yeah, that, like the. The. The toys do have some right to be resentful. You know, there’s that scene where Woody will not shake Buzz’s hand when they think they’re partying forever, which was kind of a dick move on Woody’s part. Also, I just rewatched Django Unchained a few nights ago, and I don’t know if you remember the handshake refusal in that movie or not. I don’t remember it, but I mean, I remember the. The whole premise of that movie. Okay. Anyway, if anyone. The.

The handshakes in that movie is. Was on my mind when Buzz would not. Would shake or. No, Woody would not shake Buzz’s hand. This is between Louis or, Sorry, Leo and Jamie Fox. Right? So who’s. No, no, this is between Leo and Christopher Waltz because they do the deal and Leo’s like, yeah, we’re in the South. You gotta shake my hand before it’s a deal. I don’t care if we sign. It ain’t a deal till you shake my hand. So then he goes to go shake his hand. So who’s Leo in Toy Story, Leo would be Buzz, although not e.

Not like. Leo, of course, in that movie is like pure evil. Like, I’m just like. It’s because I watched it the night before. Right. That’s on my mind. Just another handshake refusal scene. And that’s Goes a very different direction. Well, in. In this movie, though, they. They do point out that Buzz is still a danger. At any point, he can be deprogrammed and his natural state of being is to just kill everyone else around him. Right. If you put him back into Buzz Lightyear mode, he’s ready to shoot his lasers at you. Fantastic for comedy. But then again, yeah, once you’re thinking about psychology and all that sort of stuff, it’s like, yeah, Buzz is pretty broken.

He was broken from the start. He was broken in the factory. You know, that’s why he had to be record, I guess, in the original. That’s interesting because he. The original script does from the other studio has him getting recalled maybe because all of the Buzzes are flawed in that way. All the Buzzes. Maybe there have been incidents where buzzes killed, you know, like owners. They didn’t like small soldiers or. I mean, the. The Charles Manson analogy here, right? That every time Charles Manson would run into some Issues, he’d have to go back and see his parole officer at the Haight Ashbury Free Clinic, which was being run by Dr.

Jolly west under MK Ultra funding. So anytime Charlie would step out of line, they would just reorient him at this clinic. So I think that that’s sort of what we’re seeing here with Buzz. That Buzz Lightyear, he kind of is the Charles Manson in this. In this case. And I guess we’re seeing him after he’s been denied his fame through the music industry. So I pegged Woody all wrong, huh? Well, no. What do you. Woody’s Marshallopolite. I think we’ve got that pretty. Pretty solid. There we go. Worked out. Nice to know. I did notice. And maybe we noticed this in the earlier ones.

That’s the problem. When we did Toy Story 2, what, like, a year and a half ago. I don’t remember what we said, but I just noticed that Andy lives on Elm street, which, you know, as a Freddy Krueger fan, that. That put a red flag up that. Oh, yeah, I know. I think there’s something there. Again, the child’s play connection is pretty deep. Now we’ve got an Elm street connection. Let’s see. Maybe that’s why these toys are alive, because the kindergarten’s not far away. Maybe if you live on Elm street, you know, there’s the toy magic.

Is there now. Toy Story 2. Didn’t he go to camp? Could that have been Crystal Lake? Ooh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Toy Story fits right into the horror verse. Well, hey, we got spinning heads in model movies. Doesn’t Woody spin his head to Sid? And then big baby spins her head here, so lots of exorcist head spinning. Right. And how. I mean, if you really want to stretch this, you could even say that I do. The truck driver at the end is from. What’s the Stephen King movie about? The truck overdrive. Yeah, that’s the guy from Maximum Overdrive.

Maybe even Keepers Creepers. Who knows? You’ve seen the Stephen King narrated trailer for Maximum Overdrive? No. Okay. He’s coked out of his mind, and I don’t remember exactly. By the end, he’s like, I’m gonna scare the hell out of you. And he’s just, like, tweaking or something. It’s like, ben, don’t make sure. If you watch and make sure it’s not, like, just the trailer. It’s the one that he is talking about the movie. It’s. It’s a. One of the classic ones. For me, at least. I’VE I watched that one regularly. I don’t watch the movie regularly.

I just watch that trailer regularly. So that seems preferable. Stephen King version. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, it’s mid-80s Stephen King. Right. So that is at his most insane. Insane. Insane. Unless he was in the seventies. I don’t know. Totoro’s back. Sunnyside got a dark rainbow. Okay. Oh, because it’s shown into the thunderstorm. Right. So when. When Lotso is first arriving at Sunnyside in this flashback. But I do like how they make the sign look as foreboding as possible in that scene. That’s. That’s kind of fun because you, you know, you were mentioning, like, sun worship, and there’s a complete lack of sun in that scene.

Were burning. There’s also one particular scene that I really liked, and I’m sure there was a version of the script that had this line of dialogue, but they decided not to include it. But they’re at the Sunnyside daycare, and everything is sounding great. Oh, yeah. Kids are going to love you. They’re going to play with you. It’s everything that they want it to be. And then there’s this completely silence, calm moment. And you see Woody looking around, and I can almost hear him thinking, it’s a little too quiet in here like that. That line is kind of lingering, even though no one says it out loud.

That’s the vibe. And then all the kids come running in, and then you see that clearly that this was not what they wanted. But I don’t know, man. I feel like that’s such a very picky toy that you’re like, I want to be played with. And then they’re like, well, not like that. I don’t want to be played with like that. I. I don’t know, man. I’ve seen. We’ve seen some versions in Toy Story 1 where Andy was being fairly rough and throwing Buzz to the air and flying. And even in this one, the girl, Bonnie, she puts them on a pillow and, like, whips them up into the air.

And even though they land back on the bed, but, I mean, they’re kind of being rough with this stuff. But the animation links, it looks so idyllic. Right? But yeah, like you’re saying Bonnie does that one toy falls on the floor and, like, the arm falls off. Right? That’s. Right. That’s normal for playing with stuff. So I don’t know. Yeah, The. The rules of the Toy Story metaphysics and morality, they. They’re very flexible. It almost seems that intent is most of the law in the Toy Story world that if you’re, if you’re doing something out of malice or if you’re doing something out of ignorance, like the toddlers, then you can harm them.

But if you’re doing it on purpose, then you get a pass. It’s sort of, it’s sort of weird. I mean, I would say, you know, like as someone that works at a place where you teach kids the, the new stuff is probably going to go to the. I guess it’s donated, so nothing’s really new. Maybe that’s why. But I’m like the newer stuff you’d probably give to the Butterfly Room first, you know, and then when that gets a little wore down now, you move it over to the Caterpillar Room. So the Caterpillar room should not be a place of initial hazing, but of, you know, rotten death of, of toys, as we see with the phone, which I do remember playing with in that room as a kid.

You know, the phone, that’s what that was a trigger for me. I definitely spent time with that phone as a, as a toddler. You know that what you describe is how the world usually works, right? That usually like the, the nicer, cooler stuff will go to those that can appreciate it. And then once it trickles its way down, it becomes like the ultimate hand me downs. Then it goes into the toddlers and then it’s just like, like waiting for it to break. But that’s not how initiation works. I, I’m, I can’t even think of a single group that hazes you the longer you’ve been in it, right? That like once you become a senior citizen, you get hazed more than the new recruits.

Every single hazing ritual usually focuses on the newbies coming in. Like, and I, and I have some of the examples. So like, like the actual hazing rituals is probably older than even human record, right? But, but there’s a couple really famous versions of this. And the ancient Spartans, the military hazing was a state policy. It wasn’t like, you know, you had to do it when your commanding officer wasn’t around. It was actually endorsed by the state. And it was in three ways. One was just straight up fighting with spears until blood was drawn. Anyone that’s seen Spartacus or any other version of this or like the, the, any of the coliseum sort of scenes, this is the actual hazing initiation.

And then intentionally under feeding them like starving people out because they would force these Spartans to, as there were children to go out and steal food. They weren’t getting fed by the trainers. And it was more about, can you steal food? Like, can you get away with it? And if you got caught, you would get beaten, but it wasn’t because you were stealing. You would get beaten because you got caught stealing. It was getting caught that was the real fault there. And then also the older boys were trained to whip the younger boys to toughen them up.

And there was even something called a cheese altar ritual, which sounds fun, but it probably wasn’t. And it’s when the kids would have to run through this gauntlet of lashes in order to steal cheese off of this altar dedicated to the goddess Artemis. I actually would love, love to do a deeper dive on this cheese altar ritual. I hadn’t heard of it before I started looking into this. I mean, I guess now if you’re, you know, if you want to be an Army Ranger or Navy seal, you’re going to get into that sort of vibe, you know, diff different.

But see, those aren’t, those aren’t sanctioned. Those are like, not state sanctioned. In fact, you can get in trouble on some of those. Even though one of the of the most famous versions of these initiation rituals was the, the crossing ceremonies in the Navy. And I think they still do them, but it doesn’t take on the same sort of characteristics that it used to 100 years ago or more. So the initiates are called pollywogs, which is funny just because there are some versions of Boy Scout adjacent groups which also start you as Poliwogs. Yeah, maybe. Eventually I think it goes like pollywog, and then you, like, turn into a frog or.

I can’t remember exactly the sequence of events there, but. But the initiation ritual for these pollywogs and the crossing rituals in the Navy is that you would get shaved hard and dunked in seawater and forced to kiss the belly of King Neptune. And in this case, King Neptune was usually one of the senior sailors in costume. And then you would have to crawl through rotten food and swallow vile mixtures and then be flogged with ropes and belts. And that this was something that you just did to pass the time. But also it would get these humiliation rituals.

They are there to enforce the hierarchy. So going back to where all this all started is that hazing rituals establish hierarchy, which means that those that are the more senior typically are the ones that do the hazing to the younger ones. If you were to invert that, it would completely destroy the entire reason of a hazing ritual, which is to assert dominance through seniority. Well, again, and the solution at the end to make things cool and groovy is everybody spends time getting beat up now. Right. So everyone is always hazed a little bit, which I guess if that’s just how that reality is.

I see. I. I actually think, like, in retrospect, I think that Lotso had it figured out. He. He was actually sort of a philosopher king in a way. They paint him as this evil mafia boss manipulator, but really, that seems the most fair, that the new toys coming through would. Would take the brunt of this, through this hazing ritual, and then eventually their time gets passed because there’s a new donation wagon and everything. Everyone goes through this process. The. The other thing is that now whoever has been there the longest gets the most abuse somehow feels less fair to me.

Yeah. And. And that’s where. But the reality of the situation, like I said, is actually, you know, like, your. Your material stuff, keeping track of your material stuff, like, which I was saying is opposites. Like, hey, we got. We got these computers, these laptops at work now. It’s like, like, okay, the rules. If a kid wants to touch your laptop, that’s the last kid that should be touching your laptop. You know, it’s like, if you want to be president, you shouldn’t be. The kid that wants to touch the computer shouldn’t touch is the one least, you know, ready to touch the computer.

So that. That’s material, you know, management. Right. Very different than. I mean, that’s the cool and groovy thing at the end. That’s a little bit of the dream of communism. Right. I mean, some of them are going to end up being more equal than others. Ken’s gonna end up being more equal than others. You know, he already is. Get Toy Story and Animal Farm have a lot of. Of correlations, I think this one in particular. Yeah. But I guess. I guess all of them do, even the first one, because. Yeah. And that’s where four is. Oh, Woody is not as equal or not.

You know, he’s less equal now, so he has to deal with that because he’s king of the world in these first three movies. King Woody, you know. Yeah. I’m ready to see him get knocked down a few pegs. Okay. So, yeah, it’ll be a little while till we get to four. We’ll forget everything we said on three and probably, like, you know, say it again when we get to three. But, you know, these things happen. Is there a Disney proxy in this movie being separated from your demiurge? Is that demiurge Is that a proxy? I don’t know.

Because. Because again, is our. Is Andy to his toys like a creator to his creations or like a parent to the child? But even in those cases, I don’t really see them getting separated from Andy as being the same thing as a child being separated from their guardian figure. If anything, Woody almost seems sees himself as like a protector of Andy. Do you think perhaps the emotional manipulation of the last couple scenes with the furnace, which is gonna make most kids, you know, crap their pants, not just p.m. right. And then, and then, you know, the, the tear wrenching of Andy giving the toys to Bonnie.

Right. Like the, those two scenes really screw with people, I think. You know, See, I mean, maybe I’m just heartless, but I had no emotional response to Andy passing these toys off. If anything, it’s like, it’s kind of weird. This kid that’s about to go to college is like playing with his toys and having this much like, dude, just bring the toys with you to college if you’re having that much fun with them. Right? This should have just been like, hey, here’s a box full of toys. Okay, see you. Bye. I don’t need to play with your 6 year old daughter here.

There’s something to filmmaking though, because I was coming in mildly sarcastic, getting ready to do an occult Disney podcast, having that in my mind. Why is it is the 17 year old even so obsessed with these toys? And my eyes were still tearing up a little bit, the way it shot, the way the music’s going. Oh, you know, I mean, I can see it because it was formulaically designed to evoke that emotional response. Drinks design. Like, like maybe you are a heartless bastard. I was, I was being a heartless bastard last night and it still got to me a little bit.

You know What? Toy Story 3 might be a great litmus test to see how far gone you are, how much has Disney programmed you and you can actually measure it based on your emotional response to the ending of Toy Story 3. Because again, the only thing happening in Toy Story 3 is that toys are getting. Your material possessions are getting saved and then passed down to someone else that’s going to take care of them. It’s not even really as much about the nostalgia as much as it is about these toys get to live on. And the furnace scene only got me the first time.

Like, oh my God. And, and that one, now I can watch that one very dispassionately. Right? But maybe that’s just because it’s danger and, you know, the claws Coming after the first time. What? And also the, the other moral of this story because Woody and the rest of the toys have pretty much accepted their fate on the way to the furnace. And they’re just kind of all holding hands and they’re making these very solemn looks at each other like this is it. Like we are about to die right now. Let’s, you know, let’s just embrace what’s about to happen.

And then who saves the day? Not God, not themselves, not Andy. But an external alien force, literal aliens are the only things that save them. And in, in my mind I was like, this does feel like an anti religious sort of give up all hope and maybe some external non religious force is going to be the actual savior of humanity. I feel like that seed was planted in a very subtle way. Here’s something I’m thinking of. I’m looking up his name so. Because I think I’m going to mispronounce it. But you know Michael Giacchino, the, the film composer.

Go on. He did, he did Lost. I mean he’s done tons of movies, a lot. What’s the first? Star Trek. Star Trek 2009. Do you remember the music when everyone’s escaping the. The ship at the beginning where Chris Helmsworth dies. Have you seen Star Trek 09? Maybe. I don’t know. Okay. Did you see any of Lost? I did. I’ve seen all of Lost. Okay, think of the da da da da da da da da. You know, like the melancholic, like something like intense just happened. Music, right? If you put that in the furnace scene, could you melt the toys? I’m just thinking with emotional manipulation, if you change it to that melancholic, you know, like this is happening and everything somehow weirdly will be okay.

Could you kill the toys now? Could you melt the kill. Could you melt the toys? They’re going to get melted. We don’t know if they’re getting killed. Really? I think so. Just the same way that you can tell in most movie. I think up did this a few times. Almost every movie that has these sad moments, it’ll. It’ll go silent and then there’ll be some somber piano, one note at a time with like a lot of extra reverb on it. And for some reason that has this big emotional response. If you just replace that with like super tramp or something, right? Or like hauling oats.

I do think that it some LA freak, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You throw in like some super freak or something or some funkadelic. I do think that it changes the emotional response. And you would be okay with. With maybe killing some toys. Here’s something. And. And I was actually listening to the podcast or I should cite them. But I have heard this phenomenon before that you’re familiar with. Maybe you’re going to do it next month if you can. The Cosmic Rewind Guardians ride, right? Oh, right. I have no idea what it’s about. I just know that apparently it’s one that you have to reserve way in advance.

Yeah. Okay. I won’t tell you anything that’s on the ride. I’ve watched one. It’s not a ride you can easily watch a ride through. It’s like Space Mountain or something. But it has one of six pop songs that’s going to play on your roller coaster. It can be Disco Inferno. It can be Iran. Iran. It could be. What else they play on there? Congo. But the one. One of the songs is every Everybody Wants to Rule the World. And people. Multiple people. You can find videos on YouTube. Apparently people are having, like, enlightening experiences by riding this roller coaster with Everybody Wants to Rule the World playing.

Somehow the melancholic of that still fits. On a roller coaster. You said Iran, Congo, and everyone wants to rule the world. I mean, this just sounds like a CIA playbook for the 1970s. Right. Well, people are having, like. It’s an emotional roller coaster for them when it’s Everybody rules the world. Which it does make you think about mass. You know, like kind of programming, because you ride this ride, you have this experience that feels somewhat enlightening in a way. You know, so that’s kind of interesting. And then you do it again with Congo, and you’re going to have a very different experience.

The next step is they put the God helmet on you right before you get onto the ride. Yeah, sure. Why not? I think you see gods on the rider. Celestials. Celestials. Whatever. They. They have gods. Yeah, That’s. It’s a weird ride. Maybe. Maybe you’ll be able to tell me more about it. But just that mixing whatever with the music can change things so much. And that’s maybe because I’m thinking up again. I didn’t tear up watching up. And you know, well, what about. What if you’re being led into the incinerator and then Randy Newman starts singing about being led into an incinerator.

Oh, no. But, oh, no we’re going into the fire Here we go. With all your friends in the fire we’re gonna burn in the fire It’s a pale. That’s. That’s a very Newman at the end there. Yeah. I’m just saying there, there are ways that you could have ended the movie there and really screwed people’s minds, but still made it be like, artistically. Well, I guess you can do that. And I guess this, this is the reason that I find this movie the most insidious. I actually saw this one in the movie theater because my, my friend’s kid wanted to go and see and he was like at the perfect age where they actually understood what was going on.

And I remember people getting emotional at the end of this movie and like you’re hearing people sniffle and like everyone’s walking out and you know, clearly people were crying. I was just like, what were you crying about? That. That toys almost got thrown out. This is crazy. And I just. I’ve never been able to shake that surreal feeling that a room full of people were crying about fake toys that didn’t even exist. Almost got thrown out in a virtual world that never existed either. It was a sort of. Just a strange detachment, I guess. I think it is.

The filmmaking, though is very. I mean, it’s a masterfully keyed scene because you’re getting this amazing acting from Woody at that point, who’s in toy form and plastic form and CGI form, everything. There’s nothing real there. You know, I gotta say that the moment when you see that they’re all making eye contact with each other and they’re just reaching out and holding hands like, you know, that they have accepted death, which makes it a fairly powerful scene. Like, this goes way deeper than I think a 6 or 7 year old knows when they’re watching this. I don’t.

I wonder how much nuance gets picked up of like, oh, they’ve all just embraced death. Right. That’s why they need to go into the fire. They’ve. They’ve crossed that bardo. They’re ready, you know, I mean, they’re just. They are plastic. This is going to happen at some point. Why not now? Well, and just to point out if they do live in compatible universes, in Child’s Play, Chucky gets melted over and over and over again. He keeps coming back. So really, being incinerated would not necessarily mean the end of your life in the Toy Story universe if they operate by the same rules.

Right, right. I think we just have to assume that they would. Do you have any other big points or rabbit holes you need to jump into? You. That’s it. This is worse than Dick Castles. Definitely on the. Yeah, like I said, I think It’s a great movie, but it is like, it’s a. You have to study it. Like, why does this movie emotionally manipulate people so much? And up. It’s clear. This one, it’s not, you know, like they’re. They’re making you. They’re making people sob over a bit of plastic, right? There’s. At this point in the movie when the toys are about to be incinerated, not a single human character in the entire Toy Story universe is at risk of being harmed in any way.

Worst case scenario is that Andy is like, hey, I wonder what happened to that box of toys. And then he goes off to college and he meets a girl, and it’s all over and no one cares about it ever again. Bonnie doesn’t know what she missed out on. The mom couldn’t care less. She’s asking him to throw it out. Right? The only. The only things that are capable of harm becoming them are these inanimate objects. I guess in the. In the movie, they are animate objects, but these material possessions that you are, literally, if you have an emotional response, it’s because you were afraid that toys were gonna die.

Hey, I’ve had Star wars toys cooling in my bedroom closet for 20 years. Hadn’t seen the light of day. Unless they got out themselves, of course. But they’re packed deep in there. It’s gonna be hard to get out of there. Sorry, guys. That’s being buried alive. If you’re a toy that’s alive. Okay, let’s roll into what’s going on for your. I guess we’re. Well, for audio listeners, we’re getting to the end of April. Maybe it’s May for other folks. And if you’re following along on the Paranoid American YouTube channel, it might be December. I don’t even know yet now.

Hopefully it’s not that late. But also, if you’re audio, you’re probably not able to check out this very sweet occult Disney shirt, which is not available. So I don’t even know why I’m promoting it. You can’t even get one if you wanted one. But maybe. Maybe I’ll make them available to, like, Patreons only. But I do feel like I needed an occult Disney shirt at some point. So now I got one. I’ll make sure that you get one that I’m working on. A couple others that I’ll put in the paranoidamerican.com store. Just go there, man. At this point, I’ve got so many projects going on, it’s easier for you to pick out.

Your favorite one by just going to paranoidamerican.com, check out some toys, check out some videos, check out music albums, sticker packs, all kinds of stuff. Just go there and look on the front page. Guaranteed you’ll find at least one thing that you were like, oh, I didn’t even know that existed. And now I want it. Yeah, it’s mostly all, all podcasting for me at the, down there at the podcast. Your podcast.org talk about the Twilight Zone. Talk about films that are rated very highly or very poorly on IMDb talking about planet of the Apes. So I, I’m, I’ve, I don’t, I never get to watch things for fun.

I’m always watching things for podcasts. People are like, why don’t you watch this TV show? It’s like, no, I’m not. I still haven’t seen Severance. I don’t have time to watch Severance. It’s on my computer, but I haven’t had time to watch it. That’s where I am on Severance and andor also like Rick and Morty for people that take themselves more serious than they should. Okay. It’s one of my other hosts that keeps telling me watch co hosts that keeps telling me watch Severance. I feel like I have to at some point. For audio Listene. We’re taking a little bit of a break.

I got a vacation actually. I guess when we’re doing this, I’m going to be a Disney sea. So I don’t, I don’t know if I’ll have that T shirt by then. I go around Disney, see what I call it Disney T shirt and see if I get kicked out or not. I don’t, it’s, it’s not that kind of a shirt. I, I, it’s, no, it’s just Mickey Mouse with a American flag on his head. Is that what we got? Yeah. Here. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, it’s a hoodie. Okay. That’s a case. Got it. Yeah. He’s got a what? Like an all seeing eye, Like a single big eye in his head.

Oh, and I get, you got that Steamboat Willie, Mickey. So he’s, he’s perfectly legit, correct? Well, yeah, hopefully. But it also has the word Disney on it, which I think might be right a little bit. Okay. Just, just noting. Okay. Well, if you throw away anything in your, in your house, cry American stickers, Cryptids, coats and Killers. Killers. We got all your face favorite conspiracies, all the more sticker sheets. There are North American stickers. They’ll make you Smile and snicker. False friends and secret society. All of these and more on our sticker sheets. Explore the unique with paranoid American sticker sheets.

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