Why Hocus Pocus Teaches Kids to Lose Their Virginity

➡ The Dark Disney podcast discusses the popular Halloween movie, Hocus Pocus. The hosts share their thoughts on the film, its increasing popularity, and its potential connections to conspiracy theories. They also discuss the movie’s themes of magic and eternal youth, comparing them to controversial topics like adrenochrome. The podcast ends with a discussion on the origins of witch archetypes and their potential links to historical anti-Semitism.
➡ The text discusses the movie Hocus Pocus, its origins, and its impact on pop culture. The author talks about the film’s casting, including the roles of Bette Midler, Sarah Jessica Parker, and Kathy Najimy, and how the movie became a Halloween tradition for many. The text also mentions other potential cast members who didn’t make it to the final film, like Leonardo DiCaprio and Rosie O’Donnell. The author concludes by expressing his personal opinion about the movie, stating that while he didn’t dislike it, he doesn’t see himself watching it again.
➡ The text discusses the difference between horror and Halloween movies, using examples like Alien and The Shining. It also talks about the concept of Christmas movies and how some films use holiday themes to gain popularity. The conversation then shifts to the movie Hocus Pocus, its initial failure, and eventual success as a cult classic. Lastly, it explores the portrayal of witches in Western and Japanese cultures, mentioning various movies and games.
➡ Three witches are brought back to life by an unsuspecting person and cause chaos in a suburban neighborhood until sunrise, when they perish. However, they return in a sequel, Hocus Pocus 2. The movie, which is a Halloween-themed film, also discusses the darker aspects of the holiday, such as death and fear, which are usually avoided in children’s films. The popularity of the movie might be due to the lack of other films that are solely about Halloween.
➡ The text discusses the evolution of Halloween traditions, from trick-or-treating at malls to neighborhood events. It also mentions the disappointment of receiving non-candy items like pencils, and the joy of getting full-sized candy bars. The text then shifts to a discussion about a movie plot involving witches and a magical candle, and the unusual focus on a virgin boy, which the author suggests could be seen as a subtle pressure to lose virginity to avoid supernatural threats.
➡ The text discusses a movie featuring three main female characters, a family, and a guy who resembles a popular teen idol. The movie’s casting and plot, which includes elements of witchcraft and a talking black cat, are analyzed. The text also mentions a fan theory suggesting one of the witches plans to betray the others. The author also shares personal experiences related to the movie’s setting and themes.
➡ The text discusses a movie where a character named Max drinks a potion from witches, which might allow him to live longer. The text also mentions a character who is turned into a cat and lives forever, but is also a ghost, leading to a discussion about the different states of being trapped between worlds. The text also talks about historical events like the Pied Piper and the dancing plague of 1518, which are referenced in the movie. Finally, the text mentions plans to review Ernest movies in the future.
➡ The speaker discusses their love for Halloween and horror movies, expressing a wish for horror films to be made for every season. They also mention their podcast, Paranoid American, which has been releasing new episodes daily in October. They encourage listeners to subscribe for a variety of content, including discussions on Disney, cartoons, and more. Lastly, they promote Paranoid American sticker sheets, featuring designs related to cryptids, cults, and conspiracies.

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We. This is Hocus Pocus, an extremely beloved movie which I watched for the first time last night. So, you know, I saying to coworkers, you know, I got to watch Hocus Pocus. Same with Halloween Town. Like, you know, my. My co workers of 10 to 20 years younger than me, I’d say Halloween Town and Hocus Pocus, and they just start jumping up and down, giggling, you know, so it had like, a. Interesting response, like a very strong response, more than if I say we’re watching Robin Hood, I don’t think we’re given too much away. So we’re also going to.

In another episode, do Halloween Town. Have. Have you seen Halloween Town before? Well, yeah, for this podcast. But yeah, that was also a first year. I didn’t know that movie existed until I said, like, I was like, this year you choose the Dark Disney and you’re like, Halloween Town. Like, that’s the first time I heard of Halloween Town. So, you know what’s funny is I hadn’t even seen it before then either. But that was part of the reason is because I knew that it had some kind of a cult following, but I didn’t see it because it.

It came out, I guess, in a part of time that I didn’t really care to see it in 93. When Hocus Pocus came out, I absolutely saw this thing either. I think it was like as soon as it came to vhs. I was an early adopter of the VHS releases. See, I. I think our slight age gap kept me out of Hocus Pocus because it came out in 93. I would have been 14. And that’s kind of on the line where unless you’re, you’re your girlfriends drag you in, you’re not going to see it. You know, I was 10 or 11.

So yeah, this was. I was still okay with this one. And I kind of related to the older kid. I think we’ve talked about this in previous episodes that feature kids, but as long as they’re just like a year or two older than you, then it’s kind of for your age group. But the second that the kids are exactly the same age or, or younger, then you’ve kind of lost them a little bit. It’s interesting how that usually works. Yeah, the more we look at it, I would say it’s not even like a year. It’s like three or four years older is what really grabs like a preteen one.

See teenagers. A teenager wants the college folk, you know, that sort of thing. And that’s why they cast like college age kids in high school shows. Probably. Yeah. Well, also, you know, labor laws work better if you get people that are older than 18. Yeah. If you believe Hollywood cares about that kind of thing. Well, they have to at least pretend they care about. And then they lop off a few people’s heads with a, you know, airplane rotor. So. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Save that for the Plains review. Yeah. So this is the first time you saw this one.

Since we’re gonna do some occult decodes and give some interesting stuff, I do want to get maybe the subjective, like, personal opinion stuff out of the way. So first viewing, what do you think? Is it worth the praise that you see other people give it? I watched another often maligned Halloween film the night before, which was Halloween 3. You know, the one that doesn’t have Michael Myers, which is great. So like, I was like, I just watched a great October film and watching Hocus Pocus. I don’t have the nostalgia factor. I didn’t hate myself watching or anything like that.

But it’s like I felt like I had done the proper Halloween movie the night before. You know, it’s even gotten the title and all that. So would you add Hocus Pocus to your October playlist for next year in the years to come? Or are there Better ones. It is on a ton of people’s playlists. This movie is becoming, like, weirdly increasingly popular, like now. Like in the past. Since. Since in the past few years. It’s really, like, gotten some more legs. Like, it’s still making money. It’s come out in theaters again. I think in late 2020, it was like number two behind tenant.

You know, I mean, there weren’t many movies playing at that time, but it was number two. And as recently as 2020, they released it again in 2023, 2024. It’s starting to get like Halloween theatrical releases. So the movie was kind of a flop when it came out, but it’s. It’s. Yeah, it is. It’s got legs, you know, like. Like, like many of Disney’s classic animated ones. You know, Snow White, you can still re release and make a couple million bucks. Now, I’m not saying these two things are related. And we’re not even seven minutes in, so I don’t know if this is just gonna, like, bomb it for all the.

The advertisements, but maybe the increase in popularity of Hocus Pocus corresponds to the increase of right wings, left wing, anti Semitism, because ultimately a lot of the magic potions and staying young forever and long hook noses and pointy hats kind of are rooted in anti Semitism. If you go. If you go back far enough, pretty much all of them come from that same route. I’m just saying I don’t think they’re related. But it’s interesting how both of those two things might be on the similar rise. Yeah. Well, we got the divine Ms. M, of course, headlining the thing, so.

And I. I’m just looking at her weekly. Actually, I don’t know that much about her when you get. Right. I mean, obviously Bette Midler, you know, I know who she is, obviously. But, you know, I mean, like, I don’t know. I wasn’t directed towards Bette Midler, but I guess it makes. It makes sense. Well, no, my point was just. I’m trying to. I feel like she’s. I mean, she’s kind of a, you know, like drag queen icon or something. Right. And then she’s. I’m just checking if she’s like, considered to be like, you know, Barbra Streisand sort of zone.

I think so. I mean, in her own mind, I’m sure she is. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So it’s just interesting that you go there. I mean, she did Fiddler on the Roof. That’s where she got her start on, so. Yeah. Okay. Well, I mean, I’m just. I’m sitting here figuring out if she, like, maybe she said this was the most fun she had working, so she liked making this movie, but maybe. Maybe it’s because, like, blood libel is real and she was tapping into an epigenetic memory of how fun blood label used to be back in the day.

But essentially the. The whole story of hocus Pocus. And I. I say this because I’m incredibly jaded and I don’t know if I would say biased, but one of the most common reasons that hocus pocus has come up in my attention over the last 10 years is because people are always like, it’s about adrenochrome. It’s about adrenochrome. And I guess it does share this one commonality of living forever and. And essentially stealing youth from the youth in order to consume it and live forever. Kind of sounds like. Like a. Like a Clinton sort of surprise birthday party or something, and like a basement of a pizza parlor.

So that is like, one of the reasons that hocus pocus keeps coming up in conspiracy culture is this link to evil magic being used. But if you look at the actual archetypes, where did the. Which is pointed hat come from? Well, there was something called the Juden Hut or the. The Jewish hat, which essentially identified you. This is. This is, you know, in like, the 1400s or 1500s, you’d wear pointy hat to kind of single you out. There’s also the dunce cap. It might be a combination of, like, the Duns cap and the Juden Hut. And then you’ve got the archetype of the old witch with the.

The hooked crooked nose. Like, all of these are ultimately rooted in these, like, old tales, again from the 14 or 1500s, of, like, blood libel. So I think that’s the most controvers controversial. Take an interpretation of Hocus pocus just. Just to get it out of the way. No, I’m taking a look at my notes here. I have in my notes misspelled both adrenochrome and ghislaine, which made it easy to find because they were, you know, underlined in red. So. Because I missed. Where does Lane come up in here? Let’s just skip to that. Oh, I was just thinking of like.

Like, you know, trafficking kids for your adrenochrome and stuff like that. So. Yeah, yeah. It’s common enough that this movie has, for whatever reason, it’s sort of right behind Monsters, Inc. I think whenever someone comes up with a Disney adrenochrome reference, it tends to be Monsters Inc. First with a scream, which is probably like the best example of it. Followed by this one, our favorite monsters and Monster Inc. I mean, the ones we follow though, those are. We. They’re lovable. We’re supposed to love Mike and Sully. Right. Whereas the witches in here are comically villainous. Yeah.

I mean, you’re not supposed to be on their side at any point. Right. Maybe when they’re getting murdered, they’re bragging too much that they’re coming back when they’re getting killed. So for all the wrong reasons, I don’t hate Sarah Jessica Parker as a witch in this role. No, the casting is fantastic. Kathy. I’m not quite sure how to say her last name. Namaji. Yeah, so forgive me. I’m gonna call them Bette Midler, Sarah Jessa Parker and the larger one. Okay. You can call her Kathy if you want, but I’m not going to mess with Kathy. If I remember Kathy well, it’s like the comic strip Kathy, right? She’s larger, I guess.

Okay, I’ll go with that. That’s a good mnemonic device. And I’m always gonna see. Yeah, it’s just trying to work it out for you. So where do you want to go with this one, man? Do you want to start with some of the background and, and the, the box office and all that? This is one where I’m reading. I mean, there’s not a. This is a, not a movie that’s like, you know, like a film history thing. So it’s not like there’s a ton of stuff on it, but some of it sounds wrong. The producer explains how he came up with the idea for the film.

One night he and his young daughter were sitting outside and his neighbor’s black cat strayed by. Kirchner invented a tale of how the Sanderson sisters came about stemming from the Winifred blood. That doesn’t make any sense. I saw a cat come by and I just started like making. Yeah, I don’t know that that sounds like something someone just said to fill in time on a documentary. You know, it’s possible like the VO guy on the the Eva series, but I think that also there’s some people that are in a position in life through connections and other factors that they could just have like a half baked ID on a porch one night and realistically be like, okay, we’re gonna make this into a motion length picture movie.

Like that is some people’s reality in this world. There are a lot of could have beens in this? Well, yeah. Okay. It’s like how David lynch said he got the idea from, from the, the, the Red Room, Weird room and Twin Peaks because he touched the car handle and it was hot. And then. He doesn’t count. David lynch doesn’t count. He doesn’t. I don’t believe almost anything that he says. I bet he’s still doing his weather reports somehow. I hope so. There are a lot of could have beens in this movie that are at least fun to think about for a second.

Script had been bouncing around for 10 years. Originally called Halloween House, which is a crappier title. It’s those darker and scarier. And the protagonists in that version were all 12 year olds. So skewing a little. I mean, I guess we got the, the sister that’s, you know, like 10 or whatever. But then, yeah, we don’t do the 12 year olds here, so. And by that I’m like trying to figure out if they mean the witches were going to be 12 years old in this one. No protagonists. I guess I just said the witches are not protagonists.

Then they tried to make it with Steven Spielberg, like with Amblin. Right. And he was like, well, Amblin’s making family films and Disney is a competitor, so I don’t want to do this. So no from Amblin and Spielberg on this one. And then, let’s see. Oh, people before Bette Midler. It was supposed to be for Cloris Leachman, which I don’t know. Sure, why not? I mean, I guess that could have worked too. Who’s the Lord’s Leachman? You got any other roles that we know her from? Frau Blucher from Blazing Saddles? I believe not. Blaze House. He’s a young Frankenstein.

Okay, that means that one’s a little more of an obscure reference. Okay. She was in a bunch of sitcoms. She was in like 70s stuff. I’ll take your word for it. Okay, what were her shows? Mary Tyler Moore show, Facts of Life. Oh, she’s in the Last Picture show. So, yeah, okay. Okay. She’s off your radar. That’s fine. But yeah, she, you know, she, she was a star that could have done this movie and it probably would have been fine. Oh, I do. Caprio was gonna be Max as a kid. DiCaprio was in the running to be Max for a bit.

Okay, that, that might have worked. Oh, here, I, I, this one’s fun. I, I have to read it. So I guess I won’t see your facial reaction to this immediately, but Rosie o’ Donna was offered the role of Mary Sanderson, but she declined as she did not want to play a mean witch. Oh, man. I mean, I would have preferred her in this than as in the Flintstones. Like, she kind of ruined the Flintstones movie. I’ve only seen Viva Rock Vegas in a weird turn of events. Oh, by the way, when I said I watched Halloween 3 a few nights ago, that’s the first Halloween movie I’ve seen.

I’ve just never gotten around to seeing any of the Halloween. So I’ve seen no Michael Myers Halloween movies, but I’ve seen Halloween 3. Now. You know what? That’s actually somewhat appropriate, even though that’s not how the series turned out. But the original Halloween series was supposed to be like a menagerie of different vignette stories. Like, each one was going to be a standalone horror movie, but they ended up going with, except for three, they ended up going with more of like a linear serial movies. Right. The problem was the, the studio is like, for two, it’s like, oh, that was successful.

You have to put Michael Myers in again. So it’s like three. There I go, okay, now we’ll do something different. And everyone was like, hell, no was the wrong response. We won our Shatner. Yeah, yeah, I, I, I’ll stand. So Hocus Pocus, I’m gonna be like, oh, it’s a cultural artifact that really hit, if you were there at the right time, Halloween 3. I’m like, everyone, go watch Halloween 3. Now that’s a good movie. I, I guess so. But I think you’re gonna get way more response for Hocus Pocus. I am gonna get way more response.

So many more people were allowed to watch it. And, and also because it becomes an early part of the Halloween ritual for children and because it’s appropriate for children. So for a lot of people out there, they might have already seen this unwillingly, four or five times while their head is still a little bit soft and it’s penetrating their skull. And now this becomes a actual ritual in, in traditional Disney sense. Right. This is what Disney wants. Yeah. When I was growing up, you know, so I’m trick or treating basically in the 80s, right. And at that point in time, it is a, they’re showing the wizard of Oz on, you know, like ABC or whatever.

Right. So I, I do remember, like, oh, we have to trick or treat. Then we’re gonna go see the movie. Let’s time it. Right. You know, so I imagine the 90s especially late and probably the 2000s, the hocus pocus would have been a thing. Right. Let’s try and put hocus pocus around our trick or treating. So my co workers are bouncing up and down like. So I’m doing hocus Pocus and Halloween Town. Our female co workers, age 21 to 33. So, I mean, that’s. That was the, oh, my God, I love hocus pocus spot. You know, you’re also fighting against heightened expectations, too, because of everyone telling you how much of a classic it is instead of just going in as if they’re just.

Or a 1993 movie that, you know, maybe wasn’t the highest budget Disney movie of all time. Yeah. I mean, me coming in and just watching the movie, I’m just like. I mean, again, didn’t hate myself for watching it. Don’t see myself watching it again necessarily, unless it’s at a party or something. Right. That’s a little sad. Well, there’s so many, so many scary movies, honestly. I mean, if I. If I want to put on a movie, it’s a little scary. It’s usually like, why don’t I watch the Alien or the Alien or the Shining again, you know? Would your daughter like this movie, you think? Because it was.

It’s probably more in her demographic than it is in yours. Yeah, but because the thing is, when she was like, I won’t watch horror movies a few years ago, and she was still like 14. So we started off with like the Adams family and stuff. Right. And Goonies. And very quickly she was like, no, show me something that’s actually scary. So that’s when we had those family viewings of Alien, the Shining. Right. There’s really no way that this is a horror movie by almost any metric, unless, you know, it’s a Halloween movie. Right. That’s what I’m trying to.

I guess it’s not a horror movie, it’s a Halloween movie. Okay. Well, they’re two completely different things. They are different things. Yeah. Because they’re just like, there’s Christmas movies and then there’s Christmas movies. Right. So some Christmas movies are to, like, get you into the Christmas mood. Just like Hocus Pocus might get you into the Halloween mood. But then there’s also, like Silent Night, Deadly Night, where it’s a Christmas themed movie, but it just happens to be a vehicle for gore and slaughter. And I think that the same thing happens for Halloween. You’ve got that same exact, like, dynamic playing out.

And there’s Shane Black, where all of his movies are actually Christmas movies. Iron Man 3 is actually a Christmas movie. All of his movies are set at Christmas. For some reason, they’re not Christmas movies. You know, I want to. I want to maybe coin a new term called Santa’s wager, which is like Pascal’s wager. And it’s like, if you can sneak in a reason to call your movie a Christmas movie, there’s no huge downside to it. And if anything, you might be able to get it picked up on Christmas playlists and people that write blog articles and do podcasts about how some random scene means your movie’s a Christmas movie.

I award that prize to Prometheus. Look it up if you don’t know what I’m talking about. Oh, yeah, they do what you’re talking about. And they. Yeah, they squeeze a little Christmas scene in the Christmas tree in there. Yeah. And the dates of the movie are all Christmas to New Year. So I kind of like that. Well, let’s. I guess I’ll just start. I mean, that’s basically what I had to say about production on this one. It’s soundtrack John Horner. James Horner is going to do it. It went to John Debney. So I, when it started, I was like, I.

I, Danny Elfman do it. And I was like, no, he, he didn’t. You know, I found that very quick. Horner did write Sarah Jessica Parker’s theme. Okay, whatever. So each of them had their own theme. I put a spell on you that that’s. I really did. I like throwing that in, you know. Have you, have you watched the. The old school screaming Jay Hawkins performances of that song? I have. Although I don’t know if I would consider a pre existing song a theme. I guess it. I guess technically it could be. Oh, no, no, no. That’s.

James Horner wrote a different theme for Sarah Jessica Parker. And then I just started moving on to I put a spell on you because it’s a cool song with co screaming Jay Hawkins, do it. Oh, of course. You got a man with a bone in his nose screaming into a microphone. It’s great. Also, I’m generally not a fan of musicals, period. And this one does kind of turn to musicals a few times, but it is a little bit better when the main characters are the ones that are actually doing the singing. So I, I’m not saying that I like that.

I would have preferred no music at all. But the way that they did it and where Bette Midler singing, I do think that that’s preferable to needle drops or to whatever the hell else Disney ends Up using the shoehorn in a musical number because it just means like five minutes of less script writing. Yeah, it’s a pretty late stage musical though. It’s. It’s like what, 75 of the movie through before it starts. Considering that, yeah, they’re betting on the audience has like a sunken cost fallacy in play. They’re like, I’ve already sat through this long. I guess I’ll deal with a song real quick.

Anyway, I like, I put a spell on you. I was like, I was happy about that. So. Yeah, let’s see. Okay, I guess we’ll. You know, I feel like I’ve kind of done most of the. You know, you said this one was kind of like a failure at first. Then it becomes a cult classic. So what did you already say how much it costs and how much it made? I. I didn’t. Partly because the box office includes all of that later money. So when it came out, it was like number four of the week of the box office.

It came out. Now it’s 28 million budget, 53.2 million. So it is now profitable. And it will continue to be profitable because people will. You mean after three decades. It got. After three decades. Yeah. That’s why I kind of like glossed over it because it’s not really an accurate figure for its original release. You know, fourth place, opening weekend. Let’s see if I can. But it’s been re. Released at least twice since then and made like, you know, another several. And then on home video, if you’re include. Oh, I guess that’s not box office, but you start including those home video numbers and this is a massive success.

Well, and not just that, but every notebook and sweater and slippers and, you know, candy and perfume that has been branded hocus pocus. If you go into any of the Disney parks here, you. You can buy a hocus pocus. Almost anything from pencils to chocolates to shirts to everything. Okay, there is a line. There is a line of insulation. I have. It has not cracked the Japanese market. I have seen zero hocus pocus merch because I imagine most that has come about in the past 15 years. Yeah. What about which archetypes in general, like European witches, do those get any play in Japan or you got your own cool stuff going on? Well, I know model.

Model is which. So at least I, you know, that’s. I, I don’t even have to think. Right. But you know what I mean. Like the Western archetype that I was describing before, the pointy hat, crooked nose, Riding a broom. Witch. Does that get attention in Japan? I mean, my next work week is going to be Halloween week and the kids will come in costumes and half of the girls will be in witches costumes. Just partly because it’s, you know, we have more costumes in Japan now, but it’s a little horrifying. Most parents are just being here, be a witch, you know, so that’s.

I guess that’s how it is. You go to the costume store and just be a witch. Japan’s got its own creepy crawly stuff to get scared by. You know, you get the eyeball boy and stuff like that. So, yeah, it’s actually way. That’s way creepier. Exactly. When you have all these yokai, what are you doing with witches? You know? Yeah, it’s a fair point. It’s kind of lame. It’s. Well, again, this is what was scary to like a puritanical society. Right. So they would have been scared at someone putting a little bit too much sugar on their porridge.

But they do it in Japan. One of the ghiblies we haven’t covered yet. And maybe we will at some point. You know, Disney just never distributed it or anything, which is why haven’t gotten to it. But Kiki’s delivery service, I think is which stuff. Yeah, she rides a broom or something, right? She wears a hat. Yeah. Spirited Away definitely had, you know, the, the what’s her name? Oh, Baba was certainly reminiscent of a witch. There was also a. Forgive me for being really weird and obscure here, but there was a Mega man knockoff game for the nes in the 90s in which instead of Mega man, it was a witch.

It was like a techno witch. That was definitely a Japanese game. Techno which. Hacker witches. I. I think the thing in Japan is I. In the west, it’s like, oh, witches. We missed that in with, you know, Satanism and, you know, alchemical stuff and all that. Whereas in Japan, it’s just like, oh, it’s a witch. It’s like a zombie. You know, it’s just another. Okay. Fiendish creature that we don’t think about further than that. All right, well, I’ve got something to lead into that. I’ve. I don’t know if we’re. If we’re beyond the. The technical background.

Sounds like. It sounds like we’ve wrapped that up. I think we’ve wrapped that up. So since Hocus Poke is already really well known, I don’t want to over summarize the whole thing. I’ll do my. The quickest version possible. My one line is that three witches get resurrected by a dumb virgin and spend a night terrorizing suburban kids until the sun comes up and they die. That sounds accurate. I guess they come back, though, because there’s Hocus Pocus 2. So they don’t. It’s not the final death, at least. Right? Well, you didn’t know that in 1993, though.

You didn’t know that 1993. That was true for about three decades, and then it wasn’t true. Right. So were people sad to see them go? The goth girls were sad to see them go, I imagine. I don’t know if there was that. If there should have been an expectation that this was going to be a big serial. And in fact, if it takes you 30 years to do part two, it’s not a serial. It’s. It’s like a. Like a the Band Got Back Together Again concert. It’s like a greatest hits kind of thing. So. Yeah. The underlying premise, though, is that these three witches die for being witches.

They get hung. And one of the first notes I made was that this is probably the first Disney movie when we see a human being being killed on screen so quickly. And, like, actually, like, here they are alive, and then the camera pans up and then you just see their feet hanging. So it’s implied that they’ve died. But you’re still saying we didn’t get the actual hanging in there. So you’re seeing a dead. Like a fresh dead body. And technically, as those feet are hanging, like, their necks might not have snapped yet. So there’s a possibility Disney is showing you a person slowly dying on screen.

Even if it’s, you know, slightly. You have to know the context. But that’s also because we’ve only been watching theatrical, lean animated movies, and I guess it would take a lot more effort to explicitly, like, draw a human being hanging and then dying from it. But I don’t know. Are there a lot of other movies that are made for kids that show adults dying in the first 10 minutes? Does. Does branding it as a Halloween movie, like, take off a little bit of the usual social norms where you wouldn’t show that to your kids or something? I think because I was thinking, how many acts like, it’s.

It’s October, let’s watch horror movies. But how many Halloween movies are there actually? Because the Halloween series are not. They’re horror movies. They’re not really Halloween movies. This is a Halloween movie. Nightmare Before Christmas kind of is, but it’s also a Christmas movie. Right. So how many Actual. Just straight up, that might be part of why this is popular. And, you know, next week’s Halloween town. Just like, there aren’t many just like Halloween movies. If I can. Hold on. I need to. I need. Here, this is. This will help fix the ambiance. If I can just be, like, an armchair Jungian psychologist just for, like, a split second.

Hold on. Take a puff of my little pipe here. That essentially, Halloween. I think you hit the nail on the head a second ago that Halloween gives you an excuse, and it justifies being overly morbid and kind of embracing, like, your shadow self and embracing all of the. The darker reactions and emotions and thoughts that you have. Because here’s another example. What other month if it’s not related to Halloween directly? When else can you bring up people being burnt alive at the stake in casual conversation at, like, the dinner table? And no one’s like, don’t. Don’t bring that up.

What are you doing? But if you’re talking about witches burning at the stake and it’s during Halloween, it’s kind of acceptable. You can show it to kids, you can talk about it. But ultimately, this is like a medieval torture device for, you know, people that were rebelling against society or just were encumbering on society. And that’s one of the most violent ways to die. It’s a horrific way to die. And it becomes sort of a prop. Yeah, well, taking. Taking off that social band aid in two weeks, it’s on my schedule already. I’m supposed to go be the ghost for kids, right? Where they.

They come knock on the door. We’ve got blackout curtains and everything. I’ve got a robe and a creepy pumpkin mask. I’m playing ambient music in the background, doing my Cookie Monster voice and giving them candy. Right? But I’m gonna make a few kids piss themselves, most likely. You know, that’s part of the fun for everyone, though. And I. I think that’s. It’s part of the reason why we still have Halloween more so than any other historical basis that. That it was just found organically that this particular ritual that we’ve been doing for hundreds of years, probably much longer if you go back to, like, its Celtic roots.

Right? But this one ritual that we’ve collectively been doing, at least in the States for this long, that it gives you a reason to sort of act out and in a way that you wouldn’t act that same way and every other night of the week or of the entire year. I mean, like, for example, also not. I’m not Saying it’s a good thing. But, like, vandalism is somewhat normalized on Halloween. Like, you might get shaving cream on your car. Someone might throw toilet papering. In this movie, aren’t they like, the. Like, these things happen. But if that were to happen at any other point in the year, if you’re.

If you’re toilet papering someone’s house in July, like, you might actually catch a charge. Versus the cops are just like, yeah, what do you want me to do, bud? You know, it’s Halloween night, kids are doing it, but if you do it not on Halloween night, it’s now, it’s all of a sudden you’re being a dick to somebody instead of just having good old fun. Yeah, where was your trick or treating line? Actually, it’s funny. The year where we got too old to trick or treat, we just went out in the streets and made like a low budget horror movie, which you can find online.

I think it’s a. It’s a. We called it after a song. It’s surprise, you’re dead. So you’ll find the song mostly because it’s a Faith no More song, right? But maybe if you type Atlanta 1991, something like that, you might. You might actually find it on YouTube. But yeah, we were like, oh, what, we’re too old to trick or treat now? What are we gonna do? Oh, let’s make a horror. What was I for you? I think I was maybe 13. Okay. I think, I think I’m pretty much right there. 13. I think I actually went out at 14 and was like, what am I doing? I’m one of the oldest people out here.

This is lame. And then it almost became a challenge to like, I’m gonna throw a pumpkin on somebody’s roof now just. Just to counteract that. I feel like a baby now. I need to do something that disproves that I’m a baby. It wasn’t fun, but I mean, it was cathartic in the moment. I wouldn’t recommend doing it. And that might be why I just. This movie completely blew past me because it came out when I was 14, right? So it’s like right after I’d finished treating, it’s time to put, you know, Halloween on the back burner for a few years.

Teenagers aren’t that into Halloween. Like in and bas. It’s weird in Japan, once you’re past age, I don’t know, 12, you don’t wear a costume. Nobody does costumes. They were having big Halloween parties and like Shibuya and stuff. But the, the cities have been like, do not come here. Do not drink alcohol on the street. Police will be dispersing you. You know, they don’t, they don’t want New Year’s as well. So the Tokyo Halloween’s and New Year’s have a gotten somewhat watered down in the past few years. Is there trick or treating of any kind in Japan? No, we have to kind of like we have to do Halloween parties because I teach kids.

So one, one is in one school’s like in town, right? So they just like, you know, they’ve preloaded a few local businesses so we can take a group of kids there and they have candy so they can trick or treat. But you know, it’s like we set it up, we’re doing one and we’re in a neighborhood so we can’t just like have people do that. So we’re just going to go to a park and hide a bunch of eggs and stuff. It’s like an Easter egg hunt. But with Halloween, okay. One of the ways that they started, I mean I grew up in maybe one of the last generations where you just let your kids out of the house on Halloween night and we’re like, I guess we’ll see you in four or five hours.

And you just came back home and we just went to strangers houses and knocked on the door. Kind of like in these early movies, right? But that’s what I did. But like I want to say like maybe 10 years after that, then the big thing was Trunk or treating where a bunch of kids, parents and you know, school administrators and stuff get together in a parking lot and then the kids go from like trunk to trunk or they’ll go to a mall or a strip mall. But I mean that again, that was only 10 years after 9, the 90s.

So now malls don’t really exist in the same capacity. So now that’s kind of out. So now the, the new way that I think it, it’s materializing, it’s a combination of the like certain stores or like a trunk or treating thing. Then also certain neighborhoods would just become known as like this is the trick or treating neighborhood. This is the place that you go because people actually practice this. And then elsewhere, like we don’t really get trick or treaters. And the reason I’m bringing this up is because sometimes we will get trick or treaters. But it’s like eight the entire night, maybe five the entire night and then over half of them are ringing the doorbell around 8:30 or 9 o’ clock at night.

And they’re just like 16 or 17 year old teenagers with no mask, no makeup, nothing. And they’re just like lame. Yeah, give, give me something. You know, and, and when they’re that old, you’re just like, you’ve got nothing better to do right now. You’re absolutely going to key my car, aren’t you? Let me go and find you something you like. You like top ramen? Can I give you like some canned peaches or something? I think my parents are still set up, but my mother is notoriously given pencils out for years. So she’s like, kids like pencils.

Not if they’re not getting candies. Their car must have gotten keyed at some point. Giving out pencils. Kids, I mean, if. Just in case anyone’s watching this, it doesn’t know how Halloween works. The, the holy grail of Halloween is a full size candy bar of whatever kind. A full size Snicker or Reese’s or whatever it is. That’s, that’s the holy grail. If you want to be like the coolest house on the block, you give out full size bars and none of the mini. Oh no, you get, you get four minis and now you got a fully.

Right? No, no, no. That works in different factories. They’re packaged by different hands with different care. I wouldn’t be surprised if they’ve got different ingredients in them. The same way that if you buy a TV on Black Friday, like even though the model’s the same, like you’ve got the crappiest capacitors possible. Like it weighs 20 pounds less for some reason and it doesn’t quite change the channels the way that it should because it was made for like a mass version of that one day sale. I basically cut chocolate in my life. That is the one inflection point of inflation in Japan.

That’s I’ve noticed the most. I mean, I don’t buy rice, which apparently chocolate. Chocolate. Every, all the chocolate. Like, like a KitKat bar. Like it was like a hundred yen like a year and a half ago. Now it’s like 157. I just saw they put out the, the fun brandy chocolates that last year they’re like 167. Yeah. Now they’re like 200. You got. You’re gonna have to do some conversions here, man. They went from a dollar 25 to 2 bucks. Okay, okay. I mean it’s, it’s rough all over the place and I guess I’m lucky. I never really wanted chocolate.

Halloween. I’ve never really liked chocolate. I could do some chocolate, but, yeah, I’m just. Yeah. Past year. Cut out a bunch of sugar because sugar stuff costs more expensive now. So I. I guess in that way the. A crumbling economy is doing well for my health. I don’t know. So you would like a pencil for Christmas, maybe? I want a pencil for Christmas. Okay. Or sorry for Halloween. That sounds depressing. I got a pencil for Christmas. Was it the movie Scrooge where they. Bill Murray’s a kid and his dad’s like, here’s a. Here’s some fresh meat.

Okay. So I do. I do have some story notes on this, and then I’ve got some occult notes. The story notes. The first one that I noticed is that the three witches, they act as a pack. They have like, a pack mentality. And then whenever they split up, then things go wrong for all of them. They either make bad decisions or they stand out or. Or something else weakens them individually. So as a pack, they’re actually incredibly strong. But they’ve also got some sort of, like, an animosity between each other. And you can even tell that the Bette Midler character is sort of the link, the ringleader, and that she’s likely taking advantage of the two other witches throughout this.

So they’re kind of doomed for failure. But it was an interesting. Like, a very obvious dynamic that whenever they’re together, they’re powerful, and whenever they’re separated, they’re not powerful. My big regret again, of not telling you to watch the 2023 Haunted Mansion, because the. Pete. Once you go in the mansion, you’re trapped in the mansion, and if you leave, you have to come back. The drag. The ghosts are within a day gonna drag you back. So I’m just another. You know, as this movie becomes popular again, this other movie comes out where it’s like, we have to keep these people together.

Right. In a supernatural way. Wait, that’s lore and part of the Haunted mansion of the 2023 movie. Oh, you are of the Mansion. Yeah. This is the movie that you. That’s why I said I still regret telling you to watch the Eddie Murphy one, not the 2023 one. Which. The more. The more time goes on, I’m like, that one’s a lot better. So. Oops. Maybe we’ll do that for Dark Disney next year. Do a property. Okay. We could have it like. Like a Dark Disney month, and we’ll do 31 movies. How about that? Ooh, that’s gonna be busy.

The other note I had is that this, the whole plot point is that they need to burn this candle, this black flame candle, and it has to be lit by a virgin. That’s the whole entire, like, MacGuffin kind of of the movie. Like, the whole entire, like, plot device is that everything is working towards getting a virgin to light this candle. And what’s interesting is that they mentioned the black flame candle is made from the fat from a hanged man and lit by a virgin. And while there’s. I don’t believe there’s any such thing as a black flame candle from history, there is something that sounds exactly like that, called the Hand of Glory, which I think is actually a cooler name.

But the Hand of Glory was also rumored to have been made from the fat of a hanged man, or technically the fat of any different criminal. And it was mixed with virgin wax, not lit by a virgin. But those two things being close enough, it does seem like it would be an easy reference that they probably pulled into this movie from like an actual formula. Like, this is the actual recipe to create a magical candles from the blood. I mean, it’s kind of like if Tyler Durden just went to jails instead of like Saks Fifth Avenue dumpsters.

The other interesting thing is it’s, It’s. It’s the virgin boy that lights the candle. And in movies, I feel like in horror or supernatural things, it’s always a. A virgin girl. Right. Whereas virgin boys are usually left for movies like American Pie where they’re comically trying to get it, you know, so this is an interesting place where it’s like, it’s the virgin boy involved in supernatural stuff. So I want to say this too. As. As like 11 years old watching this movie, I. There was a very real. I felt like a. A peer pressure to no longer be a virgin because now there’s a practical reason to lose your virginity is that witches can’t come after you.

Like how. Look at how many curses you could avoid by just not being a virgin. So here. We gotta do it. Witches are gonna come after me. Yeah, Right. I’m sure that’s a good. Come online if you want to live. Right? But come with me if you want to live. This could probably be classified under the whole, like, Disney is. Is sexualizing children for nefarious reasons. This one you could probably sell me on. And I don’t know if I’ve ever heard people bring hocus pocus up more so than like, Lion King. I feel like telling me that I can avoid certain death and torture by not being a virgin is more sexually suggestive than showing the words SFX in the Air Force, 0.5 seconds and then it fades away.

I like this movie. I was legitimately like damn. That’s another reason that I, I need to lose my virginity soon is because I can get out of black magic. I mean, I don’t know. That was just a random thought that I had is I’m watching this. I remember specifically thinking that like this Disney is telling me that here’s a reason yet this, it really appealed to like pre teen and maybe some teenage girls like I said. And when I, when all the foreign teachers are saying there’s about seven people, I say I’m watching Hocus Pocus, Halloween Town.

And I, the, The again the three teachers are female, age 21 to 33. Like everyone else is just like sitting there, like no reaction. You know, it’s like this three main characters, like the three headlining characters are all women. Right? And then it’s a, basically about a family with the. A girl and then his little sister. And then there’s like the guy and the guy was basically like a Tiger Beat cover style guy. Like you said, the alternative would have been a Leonardo DiCaprio. Right. So this movie kind of had every casting lesson. It seems as though whoever was in the the room usually and they’re like, how are we going to market this to guys? He wasn’t in the room the day that they put together this movie and cast it.

He’s the New Kid on the block. They call him that. Hey, there’s 60 and 70 year old, 70 year olds, 16, 17 year olds that knock on your door. Maybe there’s in the New Kids on the Block costume. They got a Members Only jacket. I’m not gonna lie. I think when I was like six, I might have had a New Kids on the Block sleeping bag. Okay, yeah, certainly not. I remember in the fourth grade all the boys were, were very angry at the New Kids on the Block. So. Although to be fair, I’m Pretty sure at 6 I wasn’t buying my own sleeping bags.

So that might have been imposed on me. I don’t, I don’t remember the, the context as to how it. I came under possession of it. Kid does have a drum set though. That’s good. That’s. I, I got out a lot of my aggression with a drum set in high school. You know, bad math test and the drummer from our band would just leave the drums at our house, which my parents must hated that. But you get home from school, you’re stressed out, you pound out a few beats that’s how I learned to play the drums. It’s still not going to protect you from witchcraft.

I don’t know if you play the right rhythm, which is. Will go away. No, in fact it’s the opposite I think because there’s a scene in Hocus Pocus where Sarah Jessica Parker starts singing and she does like a Pied Piper thing, right? Like she. She kind of reenacts the whole Pied Piper which is in itself is also a pretty dark story if you look into the Pied Piper and the whole child trafficking angle here. But either a group of kids mass migrated out and some examples are that they died. Some of they got the black plague.

Some are that they were recruited for like a children’s crusade. Which sounds pretty badass, but I couldn’t find any other context on that one. But ultimately, yeah, she. This is like the worst fear of a small town is that someone comes in and just steals all the different children. This is basically every Stephen King novel on a long enough timeline. That’s basically the premise of A Nightmare on Elm Street. You know, he’s. He’s beyond. He’s in their dreams. You can’t do anything anymore, you know, so. So some of these supernatural elements, I guess those are story beats.

But should we talk about Cat Man? Oh yeah, I guess it’s sort of a non thing. I feel like this is also the. The tie in for like Sabrina the Teenage Witch had Salem the talking cat. And there’s almost now that you. You’re now going to expect that any Halloween movie worth its salt is gonna have a person that has turned into a black cat and they can talk. That’s kind of part of the formula now. Okay. So that’s just. We’re call that pop culture formula. I did do one Halloween in Salem actually. Like geez, 20 years ago.

I don’t even remember what my costume was. But yeah, we went to the witch museum and went around drinking, you know, craft beers and it was fun. So in November, September or November, we did like the month before to the month after October because it gets crazy for October. It was pretty crazy. I don’t think. Yeah, it was October proper. It was pretty crazy. I think it’s worse now though because I remember someone recently telling me they tried to go and it was just madness where we could at least like get in and do it and stuff.

So it wasn’t bad. It’s. I mean I’m probably not the best candidate for it. I didn’t hate it. In fact, I probably like Boston more of Just all of the old, like revolutionary and like Masonic stuff. But when you get to Salem, in my mind, it’s sort of a whole bunch of tourist traps just kind of all strung together and patched together. Right. And all the really cool buildings that probably have real, like witchcraft backstories are like a Chili’s or a Kinko’s or a FedEx. I’ve been to Boston, but I haven’t seen Boston. It was really foggy that day.

So you’ve seen Boston? No, it’s too foggy. You couldn’t see like 20 meters ahead or something. Oh, I’ve seen Boston. Okay. Yeah, I remember because we went to the park, we saw a concert, It’s Ethiopian food. But I just never saw the city. It was like insane, like how much foggy it was that day. We do get some magic circles here that’s certainly notable for people that do in a cost Disney podcast. A lot of screen time given the magic circles. Not just the magic circle, the regular magic circles. But also there’s a fan theory that the older girl.

Oh, what’s her name? Alice or Allison. But. But the older girl that is part of this movie, she might actually be a witch. And there’s even some scenes when she’s doing the magic circle stuff like that. She is inherently God. She seems to know it. Oh, yeah, okay. No, no. Thor Birch is the eight year old sister. Geez. Yeah, yeah. Not Thor Birch. The older girl that I don’t believe is a sister Allison. There you go. I just made that connection because I saw Thorough Birch’s name in the credits, but I wasn’t looking for an eight year old because I wasn’t thinking about chronology hard enough.

So I just kind of forgot to look for her. Now that now I’m like, oh, yeah, okay. I think you can. You can see in some scenes in the background, her dad is yelling at an exec and making sure she gets more airtime. Yeah. Did you see the 2000 Dungeons & Dragons movie? That’s a very bizarre performance from her. I guess it was at a bizarre time. So, yeah, no, I saw when it came out, but I don’t remember. I only remember is Marlon Wayans was in it. That was the only thing I remember correct. And Jeremy Iron just screaming gibberish with a bunch of CGI flying around him, which is a great scene.

Don’t watch the movie, just watch the scene of Jeremy Irons screaming gibberish as insane CGI goes around him. Bad CGI button, just to be clear. So here, here’s a Couple other fan theories that I thought were interesting enough to bring up. One of them is that there’s proof that Bette Midler is planning to kill her two cohorts. She’s going to kill the other two witches. And some of the examples is that in the very beginning of the movie, it takes place in like 1690 something that they’re making this potion. And she says the potion requires a bit of thy own tongue.

And they all three of them spit into this potion, all three of the witches. And then she says, enemy’s life will be hers. I mean ours. So first she’s talking about it’s going to be for one person. And then she’s like, oops. I mean for all of us, not just for one person. And then right before the. The execution, she says that all children’s lives shall be mine. And she doesn’t say ours. Again, this is the minor stuff. The bigger ones are that during the second potion that they make later on in the movie, only Bet Midler is the one that spits into the cauldron.

She’s the only one that spits that time instead of all three of them. And she never invites the other two girls, never the other two witches never tells them about that potion. And then when Max drinks it at the very end and he’s kind of like exuding this weird adrenochrome like, like aura, I guess he’s got like a weird cloud effect going on him that she basically just tries to suck all that down for herself and is not. It’s not getting shared at that point. So there’s kind of evidence that all along she was going to be this main witch and she sort of is the only one that survives at the end of this one.

Unless you know about Hocus Pocus 2. I started scanning the Hocus Pocus 2 summary. Actually, as you were saying, like she seems like she actually wants to kill them. I was just seeing if that acts because I was like, that could be the plot of the second one, couldn’t it? It would have been so much cool. I don’t think it is. I don’t remember it being that. But. And so this also. I was thinking of another thing of the. If Max drinks the adrenochrome from the witches and then Bette Midler comes and starts kind of like sucking the aura off of him.

Which reminded me of Doctor Sleep directly. Like again, Stephen King, Doctor Sleep, where they’re like sucking in the essence of these. These like scared children. So she’s sucking in the essence of the scared child. It’s like, scream, but she gets interrupted. And I was just thinking at that moment, does that mean Max gets to live, like, a little bit longer than everybody else because he has some of this magic live forever potion still left over. She. There’s no way that she got all of it before they were interrupted. And I don’t think this ever becomes addressed again.

So. So I think Max gets to live until he’s like, 200 or something now. Well, he’s been as a cat. He’s been. But doesn’t. Doesn’t he go away as a force ghost with his. No, not the cat. No, I’m talking. I’m talking about the. The actual boy. Right. But he’s like kind of a force ghost at the end. No, no. So. So that’s the 1963 kid that. That died that gets turned into a cat. But I mean, like the actual. Okay, the main protagonist. Right. Oh, he’s gonna live to 200. Okay, I got you. Sorry, I cr.

Yeah, because he’s the one that drinks the adrenochrome, and he’s got. And it shows that it physically has affected him. And then Bette Midler starts ingesting whatever she can, but then she gets turned into, like, a gravestone. And I was also thinking that maybe her, like, sucking down this magic potion is the reason that she turns into a gravestone and the other two witches just explode. Looking at the other one, it looks like we don’t get those characters back as the witches and mostly new people. It does focus on now. It’s. It’s girls that are virgins in this.

So they did. I just to go with my earlier point that this movie is a little weird for focusing on the. The virgin boy. The Hocus Pocus 2 seems to turn that lens over, and they kind of make a joke out of it too. He even goes and tells, like, a fake cop. The guy that’s dressed up like a cop for Halloween. And, like, paraphrase him, but he’s like, they’re gonna get me because I’m a virgin. He’s like, man, that sucks, kid. Yeah. He needed to be in the movie Almost Famous. Instead, I feel that the Binks, the cat, the guy, the.

I can’t remember the ghost boy’s name, but, yeah, he gets turned into a cat, and he apparently gets to live forever. But he’s also cursed at being a cat. But then also he’s a ghost. And I. And I almost feel that some of those things are not the same. Like, you can’t live forever, but then also be a ghost. I don’t know. Is that if you’re a ghost, is that you living forever? I feel like. Like you’re dead now and you’re just dead forever. Well, you’re living between worlds, trapped between worlds. Isn’t that what a ghost is supposed to be? Well, okay, so that’s a good point because now I realize there’s a different state between trapped between worlds, right? There’s a ghost state where you.

You still have some movement and you can communicate and like, bang. I guess, like doors open or something. But then there’s another version of this where you’re Bette Midler and you’re frozen in time, where technically she’s not alive or dead, but she doesn’t have the same freedoms that a ghost would have. So now there’s like. Just because you’re trapped between realms doesn’t define who you are. There’s all. I mean, I guess Beetlejuice taught us this, too. You can be whoever you want to be when you’re trapped between realms, right? You be you as between dimensions. Let’s see, you got anything else you want to scratch on into? Two quick ones and then we’ll wrap this up.

One is that just two fun facts about Sarah Jessica Parker scenes in this movie. One is the Pied Piper scene. This is based on an actual event that was historically recorded in 1284, where 130 children in Hamlin, Germany, disappeared. And that’s where all these different stories of, okay, maybe they drowned. Maybe they got the plague. Maybe they were all kidnapped. That’s a massive kidnapping operation. Maybe Jessica Parker. Well, maybe it was Sarah Jessica Parker. But also, one of the things that this has been blamed on was a dancing sickness, which is what Sarah Jessica Parker does in this one.

One of those is called the Saint Vitus Dance, which actually, if you look it up, it’s just kind of like a nervous disorder. So I don’t think you would actually dance your way out of town. You would just kind of be trembling. But there are other examples. One of them was the dancing plague of 1518. And this is where a group of 50 to 400 people started dancing and couldn’t stop for weeks. And they didn’t record what the fatalities were or if there were any. But rumors and stories have built around this event over the last 500 years.

And a lot of them are just like, they all died. Like 400 people, like, just caught the bug to dance for weeks and weeks, and then they all danced themselves to death. And there’s really no great historical explanation of why this happened, only that it did happen. The only ones that make sense are, like, ergot poisoning and, like, mass hallucination. But what does he not even mean at that scale and for that length of time? Extreme restless leg syndrome, I guess. But even. I mean, it’s funny to say, but really would, like, what would make you dance for weeks on end until you die from it? And I just said it because sometimes I do wake up at 4 in the morning.

I just. I’m sitting there kicking for, like, you know, 30 minutes. So I don’t. I don’t have the story. I don’t have the background on this. But just trust me, bro, that this is a real thing. But the Italian music style and dancing style called Tarantella was also, I think, based on this premise that there was a certain sound or song that a witch could play that would transform you into, like, a dancing spider. Not literally, but that you would, like, be stuck and cursed to continue dancing this Tarantella until you kind of succumb to it.

So this. This is another very persistent theme of weaponized audio technology. I’ve played Tarantellas on my cello, right? Well, this is all darpa, this whole movie. The Tarantella’s darpa, Pied Piper’s darpa, darpa. So that’s what I got, man. I think that there was a lot of meat here. I don’t think, like, the whole. The. The third state thing, the adrenochrome thing, the Max gets to live forever, and no one seems to mention that thing. The. The weaponized audio. I think there’s enough here to make this movie interesting enough for at least one full watch. Yeah. Oh, for sure.

And if you do want to hang your nostalgia hat on this movie, go for it. You know what. What. What is absolute crap that I want to watch Police Academy movies. I know those movies. Hocus Pocus is much better in the Police Academy movies, but I’ll watch those. Okay. I mean, I’m not arguing against you. Hell, we’re about to watch all those Ernest movies. Yay. So there. You and I want to watch Ernest movies. It’s like other people want to watch. We sacrifice. Just a dear listener. Just know that we. We gave up a very big sacrifice because Ernest scared Straight.

Well, or Ernest Cared Stupid was gonna be on this. And I was like, oh, man. Halloween Town and Hocus Pocus are a little bit more on brand for Disney, But I think we’re gonna start early announcement. We’re gonna Start with Earnest movies on Christmas and then do them seasonally. So we’ll do whatever you Earnest by the seasons because it works out for Disney produced Earnest movies. So there. There’s a. A weird place to tell you folks, but that does mean next year Stark Disney will be Ernest Scared Straight. Will for sure be one of those Scared Stupid stupid.

Now I did it. Yeah. It’s confusing because the second one is Ernest Goes to Jail. Right. So that one should be called Ernest Scared Straight kind of. Right. It would have been so much smarter. Yeah. If it was all Earnest Scared Stupid, Ernest Scared Straight, Earnest Scared Santa. I don’t know. Those aren’t the movies look for smart in really. Although Jim Varney, when you do just hear Jim Varney is very sharp. Was a very sharp dude sounding dude. So plays a great villain and three ninjas. High Noon at Mega Mountain, whatever it’s called. He plays a great old lady with a neck brace.

One of my favorite characters of his. Yeah. Yeah. So looking forward to getting into that. So our nostalgia that many people would have for Hocus Pocus, you know, everyone has it for something weird and, you know, 100% that’s mine. Earnest Scared Stupid is my Hocus Pocus. There we go. What is. Do I have a Halloween movie? Because I haven’t seen our Scared stupid for the 30 years. You know, since it. Since I was 13 or whatever. Like the family Halloween movies. I usually want to do, like, scary movies. Even for Christmas. I want to do horror scary movies.

Well, I set it back in the Haunted Mansion episode. For the past few years, I’ve been putting on Muppets Haunted Mansion when it’s Halloween time. Although I. I played it with my folks last year and I’m gonna see my folks again. So I guess I’m not gonna do it this year because it’s like, why are you doing this one again? I would love if there was a way to normalize making horror movies for every month. Like, it would be great if there was enough Valentine’s horror movies that you could actually have like a full playlist full of them and not just a few kind of here and there.

Easter Bunny murder movies. That’d be cool. Or you could have like Jesus as a stalker. You know, you make that for Easter. Jesus is back and he’s pissed. Uncle Sam is. There’s got to be a movie where Uncle Sam’s murdering people. Yeah, I don’t doubt it, but. But nowhere near the scale of Halloween movies or Santa movies where a Santa impersonator is killing people. Right. Like What? Is there actually an Arbor Day horror movie? Or is that just a sketch comedy or something? Is what Arbor Day? Arbor Day, yeah. The Happening. Right. With Mark Wahlberg. And that’s basically an Arbor Day scary movie.

Okay. Oh, yeah, yeah. So there we go. So a horror for every season. That sounds great. I guess we will wrap up this Hocus Pocus. The spell has been cast. Where do you want to send people for. For their October or later? Oh, I’m just gonna say, please go subscribe to the Paranoid American podcast on whatever audio podcast platform you’ve been putting on, if you haven’t already. Man, October has been the busiest month ever since I’ve ever been doing any kind of content. Mainly because I’m trying to catch up to Matt. Matt puts out these episodes almost immediately, within like a day or two.

I’m trying to catch up to the pace. But that also means that for this entire month of October, I’ve had a brand new episode. Either Occult Disney, under the Docks, Cartoon Cabal, Paranoid American Podcast, Monthly Mormon Monday. I’ve got all these different segments. Every single day I’ve had a new episode and I’m trying to keep that going, but if you’re not already subscribed, then you’ve got a backlog of like three or four hundred episodes across all these different podcasts. So time to start catching up. And I mean, holidays are coming up, you’re going to be traveling, you’re going to have a bunch of downtime after work.

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