When Aliens Resemble Demons
Summary
➡ The text discusses an alleged correlation between technology, the paranormal, and practices related to sorcery and esotericism. It suggests that these aspects may be interconnected, with researchers from the Collins elite and the Department of Defense attempting to contact an unidentified phenomenon to gain technological benefits. This process, similar to sorcery or dark magic, seems to lead to a reciprocal exchange, where the “phenomenon” grants technology or insight in return for something from us. The text also mentions historical figures, such as John D and Edward Kelly, who were lured into a deceptive relationship with a supernatural entity. Similarly, studies involving crop circles and soil samples allegedly indicate a link between UFology, dark magic, and a shared energy source. The text concludes by highlighting the importance of these findings and the potential unification of disparate phenomena under one proto intelligence.
➡ The text discusses the notion of similar energy signatures being found in paranormal activities such as crop circles, poltergeist manifestations and alien encounters, suggesting a single intelligence may be behind these phenomena. It also delves into personal narratives of experiences with these phenomena, touching on the idea that UFO abductions may be related to esoteric or ancient rituals and intelligences.
➡ The text details accounts of individuals experiencing supposed encounters with unidentified flying objects (UFOs), often resulting in physical markings and strange phenomena. The UFO experiences are thought to mimic human beliefs or expectations regarding aerial phenomena, reflecting existing technologies or assumptions about extraterrestrial crafts. This leads to the theory that the UFO phenomena might be an intelligence using our perceptions to present various forms and experiences, leading the author to speculate about manipulation of human perceptions linked to such manifestations.
➡ The text discusses a phenomenon where entities manifest as loved ones or trustworthy figures to manipulate people’s perception and gain their trust. These entities are capable of evolving according to human awareness, highlighting the necessity to critically test these appearances. It mentions an upcoming era of AI leadership and voices concerns about the inability to validate the authenticity of these manifestations, using their appearances to convey their messages as evidence.
➡ This text discusses the complexities of dimension, from the first dimension represented by a dot, up to the third dimension which humans experience. The dialogue continues into theories about the fourth and fifth dimensions and looks at connections to Saturn. The talk also delves into theories about UFOs, paranormal entities, and the impact of positive and negative energies on reality. Lastly, it explores experiments in manipulating these energies, and discusses the significance of belief in paranormal phenomena as instrumental in their manifestations.
➡ Nathaniel participated in a discourse about religious imagery, particularly in relation to Yahweh, followed by a promotion of his YouTube channel and Patreon page where further content can be accessed for a fee. The dialogue ended with a call for positive change and interaction in the comments section.
Transcript
Hey, everybody, look who it is. We’ve got Nathaniel Gillis with us today and he’s one of the top demonologists in the field. If you haven’t seen his podcast here on Leak Project before, I guess you’ve been without internet because we’ve done a lot of shows in the past and go back and watch some of the shows. But today Nathaniel is going to share some of the latest research with us.
And I was talking to him a bit off air about these keys that appear to be able to come through from somewhere else and perform what some people might consider miracles or miraculous events, fascinating events, unexplained. And you’ll hear that? Oh, it’s extraterrestrial, it’s extraterrestrial. But is it, is it extraterrestrial or is it interdimensional? Is it super terrestrial? What’s the latest research you’ve done, Nathaniel? Thanks for being a guest on Leak Project.
It’s great to see you, man. First of all, you know I love you, brother. It’s always a pleasure and hello, Leak Project. I’ve missed you all. And it’s just great to be back on with the Leak Project family. You know, chances are you’ve been here before. The chaos in the markets, oil stocks. Just when you thought it was safe and interest rates were rising, new threats come out of nowhere.
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Why is it that there are cases where there are skin anomalies and abduction accounts where the skin manifests esoteric symbolism or scarifications that mirror some of the sorcery we witnessed in antiquity? Why is that occurring? It would not make sense unless we extract ourselves outside of the et hypothesis and start wondering, okay, are these the ancient gods? Are these mages? And why is it again, that over and over and over and over again, we keep witnessing what seems to be sorcery involved with the phenomenon? And I’ll touch on that a little bit, but that’s what we’re looking at.
Certainly there is something spiritual about all of this. There’s something a lot more connected to witchcraft, sorcery and incantations. It’s the dark arts. And that’s really what I’ve been researching as of late. And the people that I’m going to be working with here next year and in the future, I’m hoping I’m still talking to them about this, but I’m hoping that we will start to pursue that narrative and investigate that theory, because it fits.
It all fits. And the problem, though, is I’m not sure that the people are ready. A lot of people, especially in the truth community, okay, we want disclosure. Do we really want disclosure? Do we really want to know the nature of this phenomenon? Because it’s possible that it would shake us to the foundations. But since you said that, let me jump in for a minute because I am taking notes, and you brought up something I found very interesting.
You brought up the Ancient gods and demonology. So I was thinking about even using that as a title, because that seems to kind of encompass this podcast. Tell us more about the connections you’ve made with the ancient gods and these entities that some people call ETS, some people call demons, some people call end of their own aura through rituals. And sorcery, as you describe, well, anybody that knows my research or wants to, you can go through Leak project and see our shows.
Most of my work has been centered around these interconnectivities. They’re glaring obvious. It’s not an accident that Albert Bender, one of the earliest Ufologists, was building altars in his home in order to contact these beings. It’s not an accident that John Dee and Edward Kelly were performing rituals and seeing small UFOs flying like clouds in the room in what they called little men, looking out at them. Yes, it’s not an accident.
Tell me about that. Where’d you get that info? It’s research. It’s known. All you have to do is look up John Dean, Edward Kelly. But that’s a fact. That’s not a theory. They documented it as much as they the clouds go into the room and then little shaped like a UFO, and little men were looking out at them as it flew around. Now, whoa, I’ve never heard that before, man.
That’s freaking awesome. Right? Well, again, in Ufology, what they’re trying to do is strip this subject from any form of esotericism, because what this does is it leads back to a historical narrative, and that doesn’t fit the et hypothesis. What kind of an extraterrestrial would manifest because of incantations makes no sense in their blueprint of reality. And yet, even in the skoll experiment in the 1990s, the skull group, they were trying to contact psychics and magicians, all kinds of people joined that experiment, but they were trying to contact these entities and spirits and deceased loved ones.
And when they did, they had an image of what looks to be an alien gray, what they call an alien gray that manifested to them, large bulbing eyes just staring at them. And then in one day this is wild, too. One day during one of their experiments, they opened up a portal, and downstairs in the basement, an entity teleported its own body, teleported its own body and was chasing people around the room in the basement, speaking with its own voice.
And when that happened, they shut down the entire experiment because there was just a profound, unspeakable terror filled the room. And so they realized, just because we have opened the door for these beings does not mean we have the ability to close it. And so they just stopped everything in hopes that, okay, maybe no other entities will come in. And yet they were still pouring in. It’s not an accident.
And a lot of my research now, and this is just coming for me because I’ve been talking to these people. There are other researchers, especially in the UK, that are coming around to this, and they’ve been doing their own research from a different not a different perspective, from a different path. And they’re coming to the same conclusions that I have and some of the same conclusions that the Collins elite came to in their research.
Now, that’s where we are. Again, my hypothesis is not that they’re ETS or that they’re demons. I think that there’s something completely different that has been using both theories and both masks as propaganda in order for us to compartmentalize the phenomenon. It’s no different than a serial killer who has the same pathology, the same victimology, the same ritual in every murder, and yet all he does is change his name.
That’s it. And so that’s really what we’re looking at in the field. And I think that’s what Ufology is going to have to adjust to, is realizing, okay, these beings were not responding to probes from NASA. They first responded to Esoteric respond to the probes they get. Did I get a drum roll, please? I’m sorry, dude, I had to you brought up you had to sneak that in, brother.
I got to stick that in the probes of the aliens. I walked right into that one, didn’t I? Oh, you did? That’s okay. I started it. No, it’s really fascinating, man. And you look at the phenomena and there are a few encounters that I find fascinating that seem to be like physical experiences. Like the situation in Brazil with dozens of eyewitnesses that claim that there was this UFO crash lands.
These extraterrestrials talk to some school kids, they take off, and then certain people see them and they die. And I don’t know if they’re coming in from another dimension or if they’re coming in from another planet or what, but that’s pretty telling. That’s pretty fascinating. One of the more fascinating cases, I would say, about ETS. But what’s interesting is and then there’s this one from the late 18 hundreds that describes this UFO that crashes into windmill in Texas.
Right. And then they claim to have buried the body somewhere in a Texas graveyard. This et. But I’m thinking to myself, okay, so you’ve got a craft that comes here from Zeta Reticuli as an example. That’s a long way away. Imagine all the things you had to weave in and out of to get here. Absolutely. And then there’s a windmill, and boom, it’s a windmill. I couldn’t avoid the it makes no sense.
It’s kind of funny you mentioned that, and I kind of leaned towards Jacques Valley’s theory that they were seeding us with technology. And this has always been the paradox that we are existing, and not just researchers and experiencers, but even members of our own government. Now, in the Collins elite research, there were people from the Department of Defense that were performing experiments, trying to bait the phenomenon into manifesting, hoping that they would have pity on us as a species and give us access to new tech.
Hoping? Oh, my God. If we have tech as Americans, maybe our technology will be far superior than China’s or Russia. And yet what was happening is they were performing, like, ten minutes away from where I live at, right, pet Air Force Base. They were performing what’s called the Parsons Technique, and it was chaos magic, sex magic, all of this stuff. And they were trying to contact the phenomenon.
And according to Nick Redfern and other researchers, they were given some technology in what are called metamaterials. But what will inevitably happens is that the phenomenon will give us something, and then it will require something back. And that is where we find ourselves today. What do we need to give them in return? We don’t know yet. I do know that even people that used to work at Skinwalker Ranch will never go back there, because with as many successful experiments as they performed, the phenomenon would hijack their consciousness, or it would just hitchhike and follow them home and destroy their lives.
Bigelow said, I’ll never go back. And so the problem is, it’s almost like the phenomenon is leaning on the human condition. We seek transcendence, we seek technology, and so it seeds us with that, and then when we reach out again, and that’s when it begins to access us and stretch itself into our world. But it’s an age old story. Jack Parsons tried to do this. Everybody’s been trying to do it.
But the real scary thing here for me and my colleagues is like, okay, there are people in our government and even people in the field who are teaching people how to be practitioners, not experiencers, but to actually be practitioners with the phenomenon. And so this is when you get into more a deeper level of esotericism, where it’s like, okay, what are they trying to get us to practice? And why is it that it’s less about technology to them, and it’s more about sorcery, in a sense, a lot of the flights, space flights with NASA, they have specific gods that they name the rockets.
And I’m wondering if that’s also okay. So the pop culture phenomena, you give us the minds of people, and in return, we will give you technologies beyond your wildest dreams. Let’s make an exchange here’s. The technology and our technology will influence them, and you can have all the wonderful technologies that we offer you, and you don’t have to worry about a thing. We’re just going to influence everybody.
Welcome to the team. Absolutely. And that’s been proven throughout history. I mean, with John D and Edward Kelly, they were scrying in mirrors, and this image appeared to them, and it looked to be a beautiful young woman. And this beautiful young woman was trying to get them to do things for her, and I’ll give you something in return. And so what the phenomenon began to do is tell them things that they did not know and would not have known outside of contacting the phenomenon.
And so this is where we get into guides, we get into psychics, we get into okay, what is really telling us this information. Sure. It’s correct. Sometimes it is. There we go. Sweet background. So how can we vet them is the theory, because what happened with John De and Edward Kelly is once they were baited into okay, wow. She told me something that I didn’t know, and it was actually true.
Meanwhile, the phenomenon is luring them deeper and deeper and deeper into some kind of cohabitation or some kind of symbiotic relationship. And when it was all said and done, the entity told them they should swap wives, and they didn’t want to do it. But when they performed that act, they went back to scrying, and suddenly the entity is no longer a young, beautiful woman. Now it is a haggard looking corpse.
And it makes fun of them and laughs at them. And so they realize, okay, there’s a game being played here. Even though some of the information they were given was true, the entity had other plans in mind. And I think that’s where we are. So how far have you gotten with research with Edward Kelly and John D? How much do you know about them? Well, okay, so when you get an esoteric system, here’s the problem.
Especially in antiquity, even that time frame with John De and Edward Kelly, we did not have the scientific prowess we have today. So there was no scientific method where we can go there with an EMF meter right. And actually document scientific facts and data. And so all we had was their documentation. Okay. They write about it. They draw pictures. They write in their diaries. They have witnesses. Well, fast forward to the 21st century.
Now we have that. And so now what even the Collins elite were doing and now what some other researchers are doing that are just I’ll tell you about that later. I can’t go to it. Now, what they’re doing now is they’re performing experiments, hoping that the phenomenon will manifest and they could record it, record energy signatures, record molecular abnormalities within the environment when the manifestation takes place in one of the key examples.
This is going to blow your mind. I think I already told you tonight. But guys who are going to watch this, listen. We now have scientific evidence that Ufology itself is linked to sorcery, to witchcraft, to dark magic. It is not a figment of our imagination. In the Collins elite research, they were traveling to the United Kingdom and collecting soil samples that were within the structure of crop circles.
Not fake crop circles, real authentic crop circles. They would take them back to their research studio. Was it a research area anyways? Yeah, they would go back to university, I think it was Manchester, and they would look at these soil samples and investigate them and document them and compare contrast, singularity, all that. And in these soil samples, they discovered a strange cellular abnormality. It was an anomaly. And so they documented that and said, okay, compared to regular soil, which the phenomenon did not manifest to, this is abnormal, there’s something strange about this.
And so they documented that abnormality. And so they went back to the Pentagon and said, okay, guys, we need assistance. We need you guys to allow us to perform this experiment. Their experiment was to call on sorcerers and warlocks to go into a controlled environment with soil in that environment and to perform dark magic. And when the phenomenon manifested through those incantations, the Collins elite researchers and physicists then took those soil samples.
They took it back to their department and said, okay, let’s investigate and document the data regarding these soil samples. And wouldn’t you know that the same energy signature was discovered and found, taken from the crop circle and then from the incantation soil. And so what they came to conclusion was that the UFOs that were manifesting over crop circles and performing were from the same energy source as dark magic.
What about white magic? They didn’t perform any white magic. They were just doing dark stuff. And give us an example of dark magic. Dark magic would be curses, hacks, something to, I’m telling you it’s bad. Something to affect another person negatively. Again, it’s the same signature. Now, there are researchers that I’m going to be working with here shortly next year that have also uncovered another, it might even be the same.
That’s what we’re looking at, another energy source or energy signature in crop circles. And these researchers have connected that energy signature to a ports in Hontology. So it’s the same phenomenon. Now, the reason, obviously everybody who’s going to listen to this, you realize why this is profound, why this is tremendous conversation, because now what it does is it links the phenomenon underneath the umbrella of one intelligence, not three or four.
And that theory is yes, that there is, again, a proto intelligence at work. Well, here’s the thing, though. So when people have gone to these crop circles and laid down in the crop circles and done experiments in the laboratory with the actual stems and like, what are they called, the chalks or the way that they explode internally, you can see that it’s not just bending them down with the two by four.
They actually something. Yeah. And there’s actually some very according to the research that I have seen, I think it was Patty Greer that did a lot of research on this, and she was showing and talking about some of the benefits that could be what could be considered health benefits to being in those environments. You’re talking about the soil samples, though, and you’re saying that they did a signature.
They’re testing the soil, and it’s identical to the soil from the actual crop circles. Yes. So there were abnormalities on a cellular level. Can’t say that cellular level that were identical. And so the question was asked, why number one, why is Sorcery a part of this phenomenon? Why are these energy signatures the same? And the possibility exists that not only are they the same, but ports are the same.
When someone goes to, like a haunting and investigates, and all of a sudden there’s an object on the kitchen table that they didn’t purchase, it just shows up out of nowhere. Steve Mera has done tests on that, and he discovered, yes, the same energy source in crop circles, the same energy source in the ports, because they have the same cellular structures now, the same cellular abnormalities. Now, what this speaks to, again, is that what we’ve done throughout history is compartmentalize the phenomenon.
And more than that, what it’s saying is, listen, there is a single source here. At the very least, they’re identical. At the very most, we’re dealing with one intelligence that has propagandized the whole world thinking, okay, this is a mass. This is a mass, that’s an alias. And truthfully, it’s the same thing. Does it have to be the same thing, or can it be something that’s using the same type of technology or influence to capture that signature or to give that signature that’s captured? I meant to say, yeah, well, here’s the thing that would work if it was like one signature, and then you find something else that has the same signature.
But if we’re looking at all four of them with the same signature, and then you look at the behavioral patterns and manifestations are all know. We have experiences saying, my my guides or my aliens, my beings are coming out of Orbs. Dr. Barry Tapp’s work, when he had full bodied apparitions coming out of Orbs, too. Again, these behavioral patterns, they’re so interconnected where, okay, for instance, how many times have we heard about people who are abducted by UFOs or aliens and UFOs, they get home and they see symbols carved into their mirrors or into their walls and all of a sudden you have a malevolent haunted taking place.
Remind people of one of the first interviews we did. You were describing this gentleman that you know or knew that had these markings embedded in his skin, correct? Well, I had done a lecture on skin anomalies both with possession cases and in UFO abduction accounts. So the gentleman reached out to me. We’re talking about his father, who was a famous remote viewer. His father would leave his body, meet with his guides, and his guides would give him information, again baiting him, we’re going to give you some information and it’ll be accurate.
And so he would get back into his body and then call like, famous politicians and celebrities. He would charge them money and say, okay, you know what? Maybe your polling is off in this area or maybe you should go after this certain population, one and the other. And so he did that for years until one night he goes into a trance and he told his son it was just a regular night, he met his guides and it was so strange about this as well.
It’s really strange. He described his guides as being in a metallic room and they had flanked him, he said, and he had a password. And whenever he would meet his guides in the past, he would ask for the password. They would give him the password, he would know, okay, I’m where I should be with, who I should be with. And then they would begin to discuss things and get guidance.
Well, at this time these beings didn’t give him a password, they had intercepted him. That’s one theory, or in fact another theory was that these were never guides in the first place. But anyway, so he’s talking to these beings and when he realized that these beings were not his guides or they were lying to him and deceiving him, he said they turned into something that looked completely inhuman.
And next thing he knows, he slammed back into his body. And his son tells me this word for word. There’s photographic and video evidence of this as well. But he said, my father was stumbling down the stairs, he’s incoherent, he’s sweating profusely and he’s not talking to us. And he’s like, we’re trying to get him okay, dad, dad, what’s going on? What’s going on? And he basically has a mental breakdown, falls apart, has a massive heart attack.
When they get him to the hospital, they’re looking at his chest from underneath his skin to the surface. These beings had carved not into him, but out of him they had carved three religious amulets. That doesn’t seem alien to me. It seems again, it’s another Esoteric interconnectivity. What are the amulets? One was a cross, one was the Star of David. And in one photograph there is an arching Egyptian hieroglyphic.
So we’ve seen this not just in whatever this subduction account was, but we’ve seen this in hauntology as well. Now all of this stems again from sorcery carving amulets. Now the problem with demonology here is that because of our religious traditions, we’ve separated various philosophies, different traditions in and of themselves. What these beings are doing is completely different than that. They’re combining all of them. And it’s a very strange phenomenon.
But again, I can’t stress this enough for the people are who going to be watching and listening to this. This didn’t stem from NASA. This did not originate from some rock or asteroid. These rituals and all of these amulets were found in Mesopotamian texts. Which leads me to believe not only are the energy signatures the same, the rituals are the same, the symbolism, they’re the same. It just makes me believe.
I digress, but it makes me believe again that we’re dealing with something that’s much more ancient than someone like to believe. Dude, I was just thinking for a minute, what if it’s the Yama? But I don’t know. I think I experienced the Yama once on a Salvia divinorum trip and it was one of the scariest experiences I’ve had in my life. Remind me to do a podcast on this in the future.
I was reading just for a minute yesterday about how somebody had a Salvia experience and they lived 40 years in an alternative reality. And I was like, oh, whoa. When I did it the first time, I felt like I was in a reality that was like, that was it. I thought I was going to be there forever. Like time was not an object. And Nathaniel, it was one of the scariest experiences I’ve ever had in my was.
I literally think I was in hell. I do believe that there is seemingly two different intelligences that exist around us. One is good, one is good that is trying to stop us from contacting that which is dark. And I’m glad it didn’t happen, but this gets back know, what exactly are these beings that we meet? People keep bringing up ayahuas and lamb in the field, okay? Alistair Crowley took a cocktail of potions to meet that alien looking entity.
It was literally not just an incantation, but he ingested things and in that trancelike state he encountered an entity. So there are entities that exist out there that we can’t have access to, but that doesn’t mean we want to have access to them. I can remember back in the day, like I say back in the day, I’m 35, but maybe seven years ago I encountered an entity in my dreams.
I was a young lad just seven years. I was a young lad back in the day. Yeah, you know what I mean? Whippersnapper. But I was sleeping and it’s like two in the morning. I just got off work, I worked second shift. And there is this featureless shadow figure that is just on top of me. And I originally thought it was my ex. She was my fiancee at the time.
So I thought it was my ex. And I’m thinking, okay, this is weird. And it was in the nightmare. The entity is in my nightmare, straddling me. And I was so terrified, I woke up thinking, okay, if I wake myself up, that’s fine. I’ll go take, you know, go to the bathroom and I’ll get some water or something, come back to bed, everything’s good to go. Well, when I shook myself awake, to my astonishment, the entity was literally on top of me.
It was in my nightmare, but it was also physically on top of me in reality. And I remember hitting my ex in the back because I kept saying, is that you? Is that you? Is that you? And finally, that entity just took one leg over and then out into the darkness. So there is this intelligence, and this is, again, demonology has a lot to say about this phenomenon, whether people like it or not.
We call them dream demons, entities that would induce people into dreamlike states hello, alien. And then do things to them. And then when that person wakes up the next day, they think, okay, that was just a nightmare in reality. No, that was it not a nightmare. That was exactly what happened to you. And yet the phenomenon will trap real memories. Oh, well, that’s just a dream. Who cares? It’s what’s been happening throughout history.
And then some of these women I’ve talked to will go to work, and they’ll have ligature marks or they’ll have scratches, bite marks that directly correlate with the experience they thought was just a dream. Dude, real quick. My friend Maleva grandpa Maleva Hopi, he’s got, like, physical markings, physical experiences that you are describing that he has mentioned to me off air about how a lot of stuff you talk about, he has experienced.
And he’ll have these anomalies in his front yard that will come into his house that will be a few hundred yards away that are UFOs in the sense that they’re unidentified flying objects, but they’re not like anything you’ve ever seen. They’re bizarre. They’re like shape shifting and doing circles and changing colors and forms. And it’s just weird stuff. And he’s got an implant in his hand. He showed the X rays.
He has no scars on his hand where the implant is. Magnets. Stick to it. Somebody said. Rex, ask him if he got shot by a BB. Look at it. It’s not a BB. It’s got a different shape to it. Do BB’s stick? Are they magnetic? That’s that swamp gas argument we always talk about. Come on. No. An intense swamp gas man. Yeah, right. What in the world? Yeah, well, let’s get into this real quick because I don’t know how much time we have, but it’s been a while.
The thing is, with Ufology, it’s possible that the phenomenon has manifested. UFOs we would actually believe in. And so this is when I do lectures, especially even on Lean project with you guys, I talk about how the phenomenon evolves according to our awareness of it. So it’s the same way in witchcraft. And sorcery now regarding Ufology, when Kenneth Arnold told the world that he saw UFOs skipping like flying saucers, the entire pop culture, the Zion, it was a Zion geist all over it’s like a dark cloud of deception in the imaginations of the regular working man know, blue collar or even academics.
Oh, flying saucer. And then next thing you know, when the phenomenon manifested, it’s a flying saucer. And yet when you look at the actual documentation of what Kenneth Arnold said, he never said it was a flying saucer. He said that they were UFOs, but that they skipped like flying saucers. And yet when the phenomenon manifested again, it was, okay, what in your mind, what would you oh, flying saucer.
Okay, boom, I’m abducted by a flying saucer. And so the question I’ve been asking as of late is, are some of these UFOs just mirroring what we would be willing to believe them? And is it possible that we’ve never truly seen a real UFO in the sense of what does it truly look like? It’s got lights on it. Well, so do planes. Can I get into this real quick too before, please? So my brother was working for a think tank years and years ago where he was in charge of collecting data that this company was receiving from cameras that were putting all around the country looking for UAPs.
And one of the videos that they captured was it looked like a plane, it had wings and it’s flying and stuff. And then when they slowed the footage down, they noticed that it came out of nowhere. It’s just manifested. The entity that manifested first was not the same shape or color of the entity that it began to create itself into. Rex, this is chilling. And so again, the shape of the UFO, in the beginning when it manifested, it began to change and evolve.
And at the end of the video, you see it looking just like a plane. And so to the naked eye, that’s a plane. But truthfully, that was an entity. And so their research, they concluded that there are many UFOs that are not spaceships, but they’re living entities in and of themselves. This would explain a lot of so I think that’s a fascinating know yesterday I do an interview with Jesse from BP Earthwatch.
You need to get on his program. You guys would have a great collab. Maybe we could all talk because he has a wonderful group of listeners that listen to his show. And he brought up in Phoenix 2013, he saw 16 UFOs that flew very low over him that somebody thought was Hopi Shields. But the Hopi don’t refer to him as that. Somebody kind of made up that term.
It was very similar to what you just described. That’s why I brought it up, because I just talked to him yesterday and then you mentioned that. And I’m like, bank, there’s something very similar there. There were thousands of people that saw these things. It wasn’t just him. It was on the news the next day. They showed a little video clip, but the video clip they showed was most likely not the actual event because he said that wasn’t what he saw.
What he saw was a lot lower. But the next day they have this thing on the news and they got to show they always flare something. It’s like, what? What was that? By the way, I’ll subscribe to his channel real quick. The real BP Earthwatch. Okay? The real BP? Yes, the real BP Earthwatch. His name’s jesse. Nice guy. Just subscribe Jesse. No, I’m kidding. I did. But this gets back to even, and I hate to keep beating a dead horse.
Rex why not? What are you going to do today? We’re going to beat a dead horse. Where did that term come from? No, we’re not live. I’m going to upload this as is on Patreon, folks. You can sign up on Patreon for one dollars, by the way, and get access to hundreds of hours of exclusive content. But we’re also going to upload it on YouTube. I’m just going to edit it out a little bit and add a cool sponsor promo because I have some wonderful sponsors that help with the shows and great products.
Oh, yeah, that’s awesome. Getting back to this idea of what is a UFO, there have been accounts where the UFO manifests, and it manifests in a way that would make us think that it is extraterrestrial. And yet when there are people that it’s manifested to who’ve looked at the design of the craft and there are certain characteristics it has that would think, okay, maybe this craft is something from a higher species or a more intelligently designed species.
It’s some kind of technology that’s beyond us. And then they would see rivets on the side, or they would see something in that shape, in that manifestation where it was like, wait a minute, this technology is trying to manifest as something incredible, and yet there are nuances of it that’s connected to technology we had 100 years ago. And so both of those traits combined made a lot of people think that a witness is okay.
That’s not a real ship at all. It’s something that wants to appear as a UFO to us or appear as something that we would accept as extraterrestrial. This gets back to, again, this lie that, okay, well, the phenomenon has a new it’s a new origin. That’s not true in my mind. The phenomenon wants us to believe it’s a new entity. It’s a new mask. Right? And that’s really what it is.
Again, it does not want us to look back in the past and say, okay, it’s always been here. Because what that forces us to do is acknowledge case studies that are not all positive, right? And so we’d have to look at various traditions and look at what they experienced and what they documented. And so that’s where I think we are, is that there is an intelligence that is using propaganda to fund what I call manufactured consent and perception management.
Even our genetics are perception management. And when our genetics start to get out of control, when we start to perceive more than our genetics were originally designed to give us the ability to perceive, then it’s behavioral modification. It’s behavior management. Pretty much. Pretty much, brother. Pretty much. Wow. This gets back to when you have experiencers that have suffered some of the most profoundly disturbing events. I mean, I’ve talked to people where these beings threw them in a pool of corpses, where the beings have pulled them out of their own bodies to where they’re in two places at the same time.
And we’ve had that in Demonology, we’ve had that in Witch error literature. But the phenomenon again, the phenomenon has entered a new character in the program. See, this gets back to psychics and all this stuff when you’re dealing with so called guides that want to tell you, okay, I’m a deceased loved one, okay? You have to compare that loved one and what that being manifests as to the historical record of what you know and have known about that person.
Because a lot of times these beings will mask themselves in the image of someone they know you would trust. And what’s happened throughout history, even with John D, once again, even when I was eight years old, in that haunted house manifested as a little girl. Why? Because it knows that is who I would believe in and who I would trust. And at the end of the day, what’s happened through in the past at least, is the phenomenon, okay? It’ll manifest someone, again, we love and believe in, and then it’ll follow that narrative enough to get us to believe in them.
And then it’ll curve in a direction that’s completely antithetical to what Deran Etna would do and say, does this make it sense? Then what? That being that? Yeah. So the image does not match the historical record of what we know. So, for instance, there was a guy named Ted Rice. He was, I think it was ten or eleven years old, and he’s in his room, and his grandfather manifests to him.
Okay, yeah, of course he would. He’s dead. And so his grandson, Ted Rice, is looking at him thinking, okay, my God, I have my grandfather back. I can’t believe this. Nobody’s going to believe this. And so for 25 or 30 minutes, whatever, this entity is saying, okay, I’m your grandfather and all this, and then it tries to assault him. And so again, what we’re learning. Now, at least some of researchers, the other researchers that just completely trust the phenomenon, no.
But for us who are questioning it, who are not willing to be deceived by it, to push back and say, you know what? Some of this doesn’t make sense. What we’re learning is exactly what the Bible tells us. Forgive me for mentioning the Bible, but it tells us to test the spirits. How do we test them? Here’s how we test them. Does that line up? Because inevitably what has been happening is that these beings will use the mask of someone we trust.
And then when it veers off, only then do we realize, wait a minute, I’ve been hoodwinked. That’s not my grandfather at all. I had a case study where about two years now, I was doing a show and a lady had reached out to me because she heard my work. And this individual was telling me about how she was in bed one night and her husband appeared to her, walked through the room and everything and knelt down beside her.
And they had a physical connection, I should say. And so after a word, he gets off the bed and walks back to the left side of her and he keeps looking at her. And so she said, that’s when I felt this sleepy, dreamy slumber fall on me. And she’s looking at his facial features, there were little things that were off. And when she realized that this was not her real husband, this was just an entity that wanted to appear as her husband, then the entity could no longer manifest as that mask because she saw through it.
Rex and when she saw through that mask, it dissolved into a smoky apparition and floated out into the hallway. That’s when she realized that her husband had been sleeping next to her the entire time. And she said then she realized, I knew she was sleeping next to me. So there’s a profound amount of perception management here. And I’ll get to a point here in a second, hopefully. But the problem that we’re facing is we used to have a way to vet them.
And then the program learned that we were learning and it evolved according to our awareness of it. And then it introduced a character that we can no longer vet. And my friends, that’s the E team. Come on, give me some love. Rex hello, hot five. Here’s one. Okay. I’m getting passionate, man. Worked up. It was about time. Welcome to the old Nate Bay passion. It’s a requirement here to hang out on Leak project.
This is Nady, like, compared to what I used to be on the show, right? Yeah, man. You know what, though? We’re going to go back and watch those classics and they’re embedded in the universe, man. 100 years from now, 200 years from now, 1000 years from now, we’ll be watching this in the pods as being anyway, it’s going to be weird. 1000 years from now, in five years, people are going to go in pods, and they’re going to go in there for there’s going to be experiments within five or ten years where people are going to go into the pods.
They’re going to be offered perpetual life in the pods. And all that information is going to be uploaded to the cloud. Dude, it’s going to be a trip. It’s going to be weird. But just wait, it’s happening. Last year I said we’re going to have AI politicians and AI CEOs. Well, guess what? I just read an article about an AI CEO. Next year you’re going to see AI politicians, mark my word, not in the US.
But there are going to be some nations that are going to be like, you know what? We’re going to try something different. We’ve got this new robot that’s connected to this open AI. And it’s a new project we have here. We’re going to see how well it works, and it’s going to be really effective. And people are going to freak out about how amazing it is. They’re going to decide that they want it too.
It’s going to be weird. It’s going to be like Terminator versus Sci-fi. It’s gonna be fun. Yeah. I’m going to be Blade Runner, though. I’m hanging out in Blade Runner. Awesome, dude. That would have fit you pretty well, honestly. But that’s the problem we’re facing now, is that this intelligence, see, the mask it wears is designed to manufacture consent. And because we can no longer test it based on a historical record of what it wants to manifest know.
Well, I’m Uncle Bobby. Are you really Uncle Bobby? Oh, of course I then okay, how do we test it? Now, what’s happened is whatever we’re dealing with, it is more like a program in the sense that it evolves according to our awareness of it. Now, I talked to a lady not too long ago. She said that the phenomenon, whatever was abducting her as a child and her worldview at that time in her life was rooted in cartoons and comic books.
And so when it first manifested to her, it manifested to her as a cartoon because that’s what she was familiar with. That’s what oh my God, I trust him. That’s my favorite character. And she said they perform experiments and stuff on her. But the point that I’m making though, is as she matured, there came another time when they came to abduct her, and she said that she was taller.
She was older and more mature in a different grade in school, and yet it still manifested as a cartoon character. And she said, now I’m taller than I used to be. This is what she did. I’m taller than I used to be. And that entity is looking at her, and he’s looking at her in a way where she said it was almost like it was realizing that the mask it was wearing was no longer believed in by her.
That is profound, my friend. That’s when she said, now its eyes began to contort back and forth, almost as if it was measuring the amount of belief she had in its image. I got shields. And when it realized she doesn’t believe in this anymore, gone. Now. It’s crazy, but this is the cutting edge of the research that’s being done. I think it’s fascinating, the idea that we have to test them.
This is not we froze up again, didn’t I, buddy? But yeah, we’ve got okay, don’t let it pattern interrupt you, brother. Okay. We have to learn how to test them. But what’s happening now is, especially with experiencers, is because there’s nothing else to test these spirits with or these entities with. Now what’s happening is while their message is right, that is where the program has placed us, where the amount of phenomenon we record determines the truthfulness of the message we received from them, which is profoundly disturbing because they can manifest anytime they want to, but the manifestation does not validate the message they’re giving to us.
That just means they’re present. So where are they? Is that what they’re doing? That’s what it is. Boom. Okay, let me throw in my theory to your research. And I just uploaded a podcast. It’s actually premiering as we’re talking right now, and I titled it lords of Saturn fourth Dimension and Origins of Religion. And my theory is that there’s this like, if you research different dimensions, right? Like the first dimension, the second dimension, the third dimension, the fourth dimension.
Once we get past the fourth dimension, I don’t really understand it. You’ve got people that be like, well, the 73rd dimension is where unicorns fart rainbows, and it smells like Frankincense and Mirth. It’s amazing. You can eat whatever you want, you can do whatever you want. Oh, my God. There’s gold rain. Yeah. Right? Now, the reason I’m bringing this up is let’s go back to the dimension states.
Here we go. From the first dimension, it’s like dot. Second dimension, it’s a line from a dot to another dot. The third dimension or I’m sorry, the first dimension is like you’ve got the singularity, which is a dot. Then you have the first dimension is basically a line from one dot to another dot. So you’ve got two dots that make a line. The second dimension, you’ve got a box.
The third dimension, you’ve got two boxes merging together, opposite directions, and you’ve now got three dimensions, right? We’re in the third dimension. Once you get to the fourth dimension, you’ve now got the tesseract, you’ve got the hypercube, right? And we can perceive that third dimension, but we’re only perceiving it in the third dimension. It’s more than what we can perceive, and that’s in the fourth dimension. So what happens when we get into the fifth dimension and 6th dimension? I don’t understand all that.
I can get the fourth dimension a little bit, but it appears there’s a connection with Saturn. The cube of Saturn, the birkland currents, the solar system, our soul system, the moon, the rings of Saturn. All of this seems to like we’re in this third dimensional interface, and I’m wondering if they are interacting with us outside of it, where they can come in and out at will. But if they’re in the third dimension, they still have to act according to the principles of the third dimension.
To an extent, absolutely. And this is why science oh, my God, Rex. Years and years and years ago, I did a podcast, and it was kind of funny because the guy called me was like, okay, what do you want to talk about tonight? And I swear to you just popped in my head why Ufology is doomed to fail. Because much of it is materialistic. Much of it is okay.
Yeah. It’s just okay. It’s nuts and bolts. And that’s not true. This is why. Okay. It’s not just science. There is something spiritual to this phenomenon, and we’ve documented over and over and over again. But getting back to the idea of what they’re doing yes, they’re playing by rules that we are not aware of, ignorant of. I mean, how many okay, even in hauntology, we have cases where a malevolent haunting takes place, and people will go into, like, the cupboards or the basement, and they will find small toys that these entities have collected from their children.
Again, that’s what witches used to do in order to hex people. Yes. Again, it gets so dark when you think about it, why are these energy signatures the same? When you’re performing dark rituals, cursing people? What’s going on here? Hold on. So we need to do the same experiments, get the same soil in the same conditions, and this time have the opposite type of practitioners. We need to have monks.
We need to have people that are sending positive energy. And whether it’s a pastor of a church or a Tibetan monk or a Buddhist monk or somebody that practices hermetics, like myself. Correct. And when I say hermetics folks, I’m referring to mind over matter kind of stuff. For example, being very careful, the words that you speak, even absolutely. See how I mean? It flows, it’s interconnected. The question that I’ve been asking myself even far beyond, okay, yeah, they’re energy signatures, but where are these incantations coming from? Who told the first man or the first woman to say, hey, listen, you need to say it this way.
See what happens, though. People in Ufology, if they do not have a background in the paranormal or anything remotely demonological, they don’t understand that. They think, okay, it’s a ship that’s manifesting. They don’t realize that there’s a possibility here that not only are the phenomenon connected, but it points to and I’ll throw this out there. I’m not saying I believe this, but I’m saying it’s worth considering. It points to Ufology stemming from sorcery in that the technology they are employing, it did not originate in a laboratory.
It originated by combining consciousness to the point where if you perform the incantation but your inflection and your voice is wrong, it will not manifest. It’s broken. Right? That’s what it’s pointing to. And so it disturbs me, because if we neglect this research, if we’re going to go along with the love and light narrative, if we’re going to go along and say, you know what, we’re just going to focus on the nuts and bolts aspect, and we don’t even look at research done by demonologists or already.
What we’re doing is we’re not only disagreeing with history, we’re disagreeing with the scientific method the Collins elite performed and documented, and it’s to our own demise, I believe. I forgive me for being passionate. Man no, stop. You wouldn’t be a guest on League project if you weren’t passionate. And it may be once. And then I’d be like, oh, this guy’s really boring. Man no, you gotta have passion, bro.
That’s a good that’s my energy signature. Rex we need to do the experiments with the opposite energy. So we need like I said, we need to do all white magic, positive energy focusing, positive thoughts. Similar to the Morimoto emoto Dr. Imoto’s work, where he showed water samples that were blessed and cursed even with just words on tape, tape on the glass. Then under the microscope, you would see the water under the vial that would look like a beautiful snowflake that said, I love you.
And if you said, I hate you, it would look like what one might think of as disease or just amazing. And we’re mainly water, so wow. Sign me up, buddy. I want to go to the fourth dimension. As long as I can stay here. I’ll take little breaks, check it out, and then come back. But you know what? I want to say this real quick because we’re in a duality, so I’m going to offer a little hope right here, folks.
Are you spooked out? Do you have the crucifix next to you? Do you have the holy water next to you? The Holy Bible? Are you under a blanket right now? Kind of a little bit spooked out with the one that you love, hugging the one that you love? Or maybe you’re by yourself and you turn the light on because you were getting kind of freaked out, you’re getting ready to go to sleep, and now you’re like, okay, I got to wake back up.
This is getting spooky. We are in a duality in this 3D interface. We are absolutely in a duality, which means every action has an opposite and equal reaction. So no good deed goes unpunished, as you were talking about. And in more words than that, in different words. And then there’s an opposing faction. There is light that balances the dark there is yin and yang, basically. Right? I mean, literally, yin and yang.
I was looking for a more poetic way to put it, but it didn’t come to me at the moment. So essentially, we just have to I mean, it’s physics, right? And if we didn’t at least what they tell us, if we didn’t have something looking out for us, for our best interests, we wouldn’t be where we are now. We wouldn’t be having this conversation. It would be like medieval times when if you didn’t follow the rules of the church or give enough money to the church, that they would pillage your house and do things even worse than that.
It’s very strange. I mean, even if you get into Mariotry, which is the worship of Mother Mary, when that religious tradition was born in history, there were dark sorcerers who took that tradition, that ritual of worship, turned it on its head and began to use incantations that were similar sympathetic magic, but different word phrasing. All that, and they would get results. And so a lot of this is predicated on belief.
This is powerful, Rex. It’s predicated on belief. This is what I call a protocol of belief. Do you believe I am who I appear to be? When we’re getting the incubate cases, even in hauntology, even in Ufology, these beings will manifest as lovers and deceased loved ones, all that. But the image that it manifests as has to be believed in in order for it to accomplish what it wants to accomplish.
Okay, Ted Rice, again, another experience here, the same experience I was talking about before he’s abducted with his grandmother. And his grandmother, this being tried to make with her, and she said, I’ve only been intimate with one man, okay? Next thing you know, that entity pulled an image out of her mind, and now her deceased husband, which is the only man she’s been intimate with, manifests to her and walks up to her.
But here’s the point I’m making. These experiencers have to believe in the image in order for their consent to be manufactured by the phenomenon. And, guys, I’m using consent loosely, but there’s something wrong with this picture here, because it’s almost like when you push back on it, when you actually test them, the mask is gone. In many cases, it just runs and hides. So I do believe this is why yeshua said who do men say that I am? That’s number one.
Number two, this is why Yahweh said, don’t make an image of me. Why? Because we have images of Jesus abducting people. We never have Yahweh abducting people. They cannot possess the image of Yahweh because he said, I have none. Right on. Nathaniel sure did bring the A game today. And thank you so much for watching, everybody. Make sure to hit the bell. For all notifications, subscribe to Nathaniel’s YouTube channel.
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