Lies and Silence – Neon Genesis Evangelion S01E15

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What, are you afraid to kiss me on the anniversary of your mom’s death? So much more fun and games at the Cotton Cabal. Beyond what’s Just in the Name at the Cotton Cabal. See just at what Costco’s fame at the Cartoon Cabal. So much for the fun and games at the Cartoon Cabal. Welcome to the Cartoon Cabal. We’re making our way through all of the episodes of Neon Genesis Evangelion. It’s Matt over here. It’s the paranoid American over there. You want to kiss anybody? That’s. That’s what this episode’s about, right? I’m not afraid. Pucker up. But also, I think we’re casual enough with Evangelion that we don’t have to say Neon Genesis.

We can just say Ava now, right? We can just call Ava. I. Hey, go back to episode one and you say every time we say it, we should say Neon Genesis of Evangelion. I’ve been trying to maintain that. Okay, here we go. Neon Genesis Evangelion, AKA Eva. That was you calling the shot in the first episode. I was like, okay, I could do that. Because, yeah, in Japan, you would say if you say that a Japanese person actually will not understand you because the Neon Genesis part is gibberish. To this, you guys say you got to say Evangelion.

Actually, I think I said Ava to someone recently, and they didn’t quite get it. So Japanese do want to hear Evangelion, which is the title on the screen when the show starts. So I guess it makes sense. I will put some respect on the name. It’s. It’s Evangelion. I’m not gonna put this is. Okay, we talk about names of episodes, and this is one where the Japanese title gets the. The plus, I think, because the English title is those women long for the touch of others lips and thus invited their kisses, which is one, a little weird.

And two, like one of the worst Star Trek titles. You know, when Star Trek has nice, long, pretentious titles. I appreciate it. I didn’t. I didn’t even catch that one. The. The. So the Japanese version is Lies in Silence. Yeah, that makes a little more sense on this one. Sounds like a Bergman movie. Secret, Secret Lies was Mike Lay. I don’t remember. I’m mixing up all my directors. But yeah, it’s like, I appreciate that English title, but at the same. Did I say American title? I should give it to the English speaking world, I guess. No, it’s American.

We speak American title over here. Yeah, we don’t talk about the English anymore. Yeah, I. Well, yeah, I am, I guess. Well, obviously, people in the UK are digging it, too. I. I guess it’s a worldwide thing for geeks. I don’t know. Well, are we talking about Evangelion right now? Is worldwide? Yeah, absolutely. I mean, there’s no. The only reason we’re even talking about this, what, 30 years in the future, is because it had some kind of staying power. This is an episode where it is very different. And I. I actually found it interesting because I thought this was.

Episode was great. And then I went looking at the, you know, doing my research and stuff, and it was mixed reception. I guess a lot of people were angry that they didn’t see large mechs doing mech stuff and this in the original schedule because, like we said past episode 13, it goes a very different direction when it wants to. And this was going to be Shinji, you know, recovering, getting hooked up with a. His augmented. You know, like his. His Mech 2.0 or whatever. It’s going to be the better version of the mech, but there’s no mech in this, so skip the mechs.

Well, this one gives you an idea that Kaji, who’s the older guy that works at Nerve, is some kind of a double agent, or that he’s spying on the nerve center for someone else. And I don’t know. Clear several episodes ago, though, when he just, like, ran off from that sea battle with the angel, and it’s like, where are you going? Because he has higher priorities, right? Well, I. I just figured that he was part of a larger group or that he had some kind of clearance that everyone else didn’t get. But this one, it’s explicitly emphasizing that he’s spying on Nerve and he’s trying to see what they’re doing, and he’s reporting everything they’re doing up the chain and that he was being so secretive, or he just pokes his head out the back of this door and there’s old lady reading a newspaper, and he’s talking to her as she’s reading the newspaper.

So they’ve got this whole intelligence chain of spreading, you know, information. So Kaji is clearly kind of like a double oh seven style. Say he actually is James Bond. And Misato becomes the first Bond girl, right? In the movie, there’s always two Bond girls, and the first is the. The one that works for the enemy and gets killed after he sleeps with her. Right. Which I don’t know if Masato is destined for death in this. She’s our protagonist in this case. And Kaji is kind of the. The spy, not quite the antagonist. But I mean, he is, right? So it’s kind of like a flipped James Bond script where we’re.

We’re in with the weird secret organization because we’ve been watching them for 15 episodes, right? So when the Bond comes in where it’s like, no, not this guy. Well, just like Bond too. Every single girl in this entire series now is attracted to him. Like, they’re all going after this James Bond character of Kaji, who kind of came in as a sleeper, like we saw in a couple previous episodes, that he had kind of been around that he knows a lot of the women that work there at Nerve. But this is the first time that he gets his own episode and that we see that.

I mean, this kind of like fleshes out not just his backstory, but he’s got history with every single character here. And does that make Misato basically a properly fleshed out character now? Because in the first few episodes we were like, what’s going on with this drunken weirdo? And. But this one doesn’t. It doesn’t pass the betel test in doing so. You know, it’s got to be all about Kaji. But, like, I feel like they’re sort of getting in. You know, we saw her flashback a few episodes ago, right? She. I think she’s getting more properly well rounded out.

Agree. Disagree. I don’t know, man. She’s still kind of a drunk mess. So they call her out on in this episode too, right? She goes just short of saying she is a drunken mess. And then she. Well, she. She throws up. She throws up and then he kisses her after she claims to be a drunk mess. And he’s like, no, this is fine. And then he makes out with her right after she had thrown up. Whereas the teenage kiss with Shinji and Asuka has last five seconds and has Asuka running off to gargle while Shinji turns green.

And apparently Wired magazine rated that as the third best anime kiss ever. Well, between these two 14 year olds. Yeah, between. Well, how many anime kisses are between 14 year olds? A lot. I’m gu them. All of them, I guess. And, well, and she said the way that she gets them to do it, they’re. It’s not even like they’re playing truth or dare or anything, which she’s just like, you know, you should kiss me. And he’s like, what do you mean? And she says, what, are you afraid to kiss me on the anniversary of your mom’s death? And it’s such a weird taunt to, like.

And then he feels offended that he has to kiss her now. Otherwise, I guess it would be offending his mom’s anniversary on the day of her death. Yeah, I mean, technically, my first kisses, when I played in a band and we’re hanging out in the singer’s bedroom, and the, what was it? The, the, the other, the second guitarist girlfriend was like, I guess they were having a fight and she just went around and kissed everybody in the room. And that’s, I was like, well, that’s about as awkward as this one, I guess. So you just, you just caught like some, some stray fire on that one then.

And she was quite attractive, so, so everyone kind of let it happen. It was a wild time back when anime like this was being broadcast. You know what it was like? It was like, it would have been about 1995. So it’s right around the time, about a year before Ava. Right. But yeah, I, I, we do see a little more of the junior high dynamics in here, which I kind of see and kind of don’t see because I have, like, junior high classes and stuff. But they’re, you know, we’re in a kind of smaller building. It’s not like an actual public school.

And I have classes, smaller classes. So there is, I guess, how Japanese junior high school dynamics between students work out and how Americans would do that are different. For example, I, A lot of time have to tell junior high boys to stop touching each other in my classes. And I feel like in America, you know, they, they punch you and call you a slur if you try doing that. Yeah, you don’t want to really mess with the kids in America. They don’t really. They were the ones that run the classrooms now more than the teachers. Anyone else? Yeah, but no, I, I lied.

I have some junior high school boys, like Shinji, as I mentioned, where they’re, you know, like, I could barely get them to talk. And then I have, you know, the, the happy boys or whatever that are just like, like, you know, like grabbing each other the entire class, and I have to, like, tell them to stop touching each other. Well, in, in this series, they’re, it’s kind of unique because Shinji and Ashka are essentially interacting with adults for the rest of the time they’re not in school. They live with each other. Notable scientific experiments involving insane technology and fighting angels.

And that Shinji, technically his guardian, is still Masato, who is a raging drunk. That’s just like, throwing up and going on dates and Coming home, saving the world and. And all. Yeah, all three of them were in charge of saving the world. So this is far from the typical kind of like middle school grow up period for anybody. I guess we do have to talk about Rey now. She’d make such a great mother, don’t you think? Oh, yeah. Okay. So last time I. I was like, oh crap, I just spoiled myself. Which I think this episode just makes it, well, crystal clear.

Ray is a clone. By the end, we are. We are on Rey as a clone of Shinji’s mother, right? Well, tell. Tell me where that came from. Like, where does. How is it. How is it proof yet? Well, in anime terms. In anime terms, it’s proof when Shinji says you looked like a mother when you were wringing out that cloth. And like kind of Japanese narrative that was basically telling that to you. And then at the end, there’s another line in my own notes. I just wrote it out. Like earlier on. It says, I’m looking at the wrong notes there.

Are we picking up that Rey is a clone of Shinji’s mom? That’s what. That’s what I got from him talking about her wringing out the clothes. And later I just write, we are picking up that Rey is a clone of Shinji’s mom, period. So the look on. On Kendo’s face and everything. This also when I was doing the research, I already came out thinking that at the end of the episode when I was doing the research, it did just say that. So that. That is the case. But I don’t think I’m spoiling you because in Japanese narrative form, they did tell you that in this episode.

I didn’t get it from the ringing of the. The hand cloth, but I for sure Rey was a clone. So okay, Rey is a cl. She’s mom. Because it reminded him of seeing someone ring out water. And I guess in Japanese cinema, like a woman ringing out water is what, like your first memory of your mom. So that’s what it was a link to. Yes. Chekhov’s gun or whatever. Once you put it out there, it’s there, you know, you have to use it later. But this episode, I was. It didn’t beat you over the head over it with a broom because you’re not cleaning.

But it’s was. I think this was supposed to basically make that clear enough. And Chinese are so weird. Yeah, it was Japanese here, but whatever. No, I was 95% sure after watching it. So I’m doing the research and just says, I’m like, okay, I don’t feel too bad this time because last episode I was like, I think Ray’s a clone. And then I spoiled, I spoiled myself in the episode. If you listen last. But. And to be fair, Oshka is the one that does say, you Chinese people are so weird. And I, and I thought that that was funny just because she’s clearly in Japan, but she’s still calling everyone Chinese.

Oh geez. I need to go back and check that because I was reading the subtitles and I’m not sure if that was that in the subtitle. In the English audio, she definitely says, you choose a people. She just goes, you Chinese are weird. Ah, interesting. I’m. Geez, if you’re on a rant or something, I might just go back and check my video while you’re, while you’re ranting and check that out. I got questions for you that maybe you can look it up as you’re answering some questions. So there’s this one scene where Shinji goes to a huge graveyard and there’s like hundreds of these tiny little skinny gravestones and Is that a thing in Japan? The little skinny like toothpick style tombstones all over the place? Definitely not.

That is a weird Future. Half what, 90. What, what did I say? 90% of Japan or whatever. But that is a. Many people have died in Japan. The amount of space they take is kind of insane. Like that is a extremely non Japanese thing. Japan being overly efficient as usual in space. That might be how that, that’s probably what happened the end. And it does turn out to be memorials because he’s like, your mother’s body was not recovered. This is just a memorial, you know, it made me think of those things they used to have. I think they’ve taken them out now.

But they had those millennial stone things outside of Epcot center for a while, which they might have taken out. But I don’t remember this. What were the millennial stones? Just when you came out, there’d be like these pillars and families would buy like plaques on them or something. And then the Olympics and Atlanta had the same thing in 1996. Those might have been like floor stones in that case. But yeah, it made me think of those kinds of things where. But I guess if you have a massive death incident, that’s, that’s how you do it. Because a, a Japanese grave and they can be weird if it’s been there for a hundred years.

For example, there’s a place where there’s a clothing store and next to it is A some, you know, like light industry, you know, like some warehouse or something. And there’s this tiny triangle between the two. So if you, once you get past the triangle, the parking lot is directly against the warehouse, but it’s the road, the warehouse and the parking lot for the clothing store. And there’s a triangle that’s just a couple feet squared and it’s got like three graves in it. You would never see that in the States. Now do those spirits still exist in that area? Yes.

And during Oban, the holiday I’m talking about, the family will go there. They’ll probably park in the clothing store parking lot, you know, open. There’s a little gate to get in there. You could probably fit like two or three people standing in there and they’ll do their thing and leave. We get a nice one where we get to, we go to the really nice family house, take a 10 to 15 minute walk to this, you know, highlands grave site, which, and that one probably has about, let’s say 10 family more than that. There’s, I guess all the farmers families are up there, you know, so each family has like, it’s like a little outdoor mausoleum basically.

It sounds. This is like how you die in Minecraft too, that like wherever you die at, there’s just like a little tombstone there. And I also assume that that means if you dig up those bodies in that little triangle, there’s some loot in there to get probably. Well, these aren’t tombstones. These are notable structures, not ones you go inside. Right. But like when you drive around, you often see these stores that are selling like marble grave stuff and it can get weird. You can put hello Kitty on your grave if you want. In Japan. Well, I, I think I will now, now that it’s an option.

Yeah, actually, I don’t know, I was thinking about it and there’s some of them have a sign, the sign for the grave place. It’s got like this little cartoon Buddha like sweeping or something. It’s really weird. Like the first couple times I didn’t. I saw those, I like couldn’t process what I was looking at. When I first moved to Japan, you know, should. Could I just get like an Oshka Evangelion suit for my gravestone? Probably. I just saw on a Gachapon, by the way a few days ago where they. There’s this weird thing. There’s one for Harry Potter too and there’s one for Eva and there’s one for Jojo’s Bizarre Adventure where it’s like you get the gachapon, it’s like on a little hook, and it’s just the suit.

There’s no person in there. It’s like the suit hanging on a. On a, you know, a stand or something. So that’s kind of cool. That’s actually kind of cool. Oh, you’ll get weird gachapon. There’s ones where it’s like. It’s like key things to put on your phone, to hang off your phone. It looks like common medicines in Japan. Like, it looks like a couple pills, but it’s not pills. It’s a little plastic thing. And maybe they put. Change the logo to something cuter looking, you know, and you hang that from your phone. So I’ve seen some.

I didn’t think to have any brought out, but I got a gotcha pawn from a little store that specializes in it in Tampa, I think. And I got a little UFO that’s abducting a bigfoot who’s drinking a Starbucks. And this was in a gotcha pond. And they also had one there that. The gotcha pond itself, when you took it apart, it turns into a fully working vacuum. And I don’t even know why. It’s just like a little. Just to show that you can do it, that you can stuff an entire working vacuum inside of a gachapon.

Oh, and I saw a gachapon machine that. It came with miniature gachapon machines of the gachapon machine you’re buying. So that was pretty cool. Yeah, like that. For me, maybe this is some bizarre thing about my psyche, but, yeah, usually I’m like, I guess it’s the way I keep myself from getting too gachapon addicted. Like, it has to be something fuzzy. It’s not fuzzy. I’m not buying it. Usually. No, you’ve got a rule. And I see them at the comic convention sometimes I go to. Some people will have a gachapon machine as kind of a gimmick to draw people in.

But I don’t know. I feel like it’s got to be an actual weird Japanese thing to be a real gachapon. You can’t just use it as a delivery device. Oh, I. Oh, I broke the rule then, because last week I was like, hell, yeah, I’ll buy some Care Bears from the gachapon machine. So I did. Well, those look fuzzy. Yeah, that’s why I bought them. They’re the only fuzzy thing there. Yeah. Although those are not Japanese characters, are they? But also because that way I can hang them off of my bag and then, like, the elementary School girls think that’s funny as hell that I teach.

So. And then I can put. They want to be team. So I always make teams. Okay, you’ll be team this and team that. So for. For this week, it was those Japanese children in 2025. Know who the Care Bears are? I guess so. I think so. I think there’s been a little. What else? Tomagotchi has gotten really popular here. You can buy some of those started there, though. But Care Care Bears was specifically a US Property. No, I. Yes, correct. And I’m. I’ve seen a little bit of. Around recently, so I don’t think it’s like the most popular thing, but it might have like a little bit of a resurgence in Japan.

Okay, so we. We get Evangelion and they get Care Bears. It sounds like an even trade. Yeah, something like that. By the way, I never did find them what we were looking for. So, you know, maybe another time. That was about Asuka calling them all Chinese, because I’m just wondering if the translation. Because that is funny. I just wonder if I actually didn’t hear it and missed it when it was coming. It makes sense because she’s the German and my first thought was when she said that was, oh, she’s. She’s kind of acting more like an American now.

Although maybe that’s also a German stereotype. It might just be a Western stereotype. Well, it also makes sense as a joke in Japan because Japanese are weirdly racist against Chinese. Like, I’ve even heard like my wife and my in laws say a few things about Chinese that were a little raw. And usually they’re very like, like, what, what. What are the. The. The horrible hot takes of Chinese people from Japanese people. Like, there was a big article a few months ago because some Chinese tourists had come and like pissed on a shrine and I think wrote a few like, slurs of their own on the sign and it became like national news for like a week that a Japanese.

Excuse me. See, I just did. A Chinese tourist pissed on a shrine. You now, was that because they were rural and low class, or was it because they were intentionally trying to like, you know, violate something in Japan? In this case, they were kind of trying to. Oh, so it was a political tiles. Politically motivated? Yeah, yeah, it was a little. But I mean, like low level politically motivated. And it became. I don’t know. I feel like that doesn’t count. Like if someone comes into your country and pisses on a relic. But it’s for a political reason.

I think I’m not saying I condone it, but they get a pass like they don’t speak on behalf of all Chinese people. Although I have heard, I’ve heard other horrible things from other non Chinese Asians that say some pretty nasty things that all basically equate to just being an absolute redneck, bumpkin rural person that doesn’t know how to get along in society and just like poops and holes. Well, Japanese politics is I, is getting a little weirder or at least a little more interesting in some way. We have an election tomorrow which apparently is going to come up with the new prime minister.

So I think that you vote for the president of the party, but the president of the party is likely the prime minister, but the party is not the over majority anymore. So theoretically the, the other parties could combine and, but they, you know, you got the Communist Party and then you have Senseido, a relatively new party which is a little more like, a little more conservative. You know, they, they would like to stem the tide of foreigners into Japan because in the past five years there’s, you know, Japan’s population skin old, it’s going down. So there’s a lot more Vietnamese workers, Indian workers, Malaysian workers, Korean, Chinese coming into the country.

So you hear about a lot of anti foreigner sentiment and yeah, they don’t like the big dumb American doing dumb stuff when they’re visiting. They certainly don’t like that. But most of the weird anti immigration thing right now is actually against other Asians. I’m glad to hear that. At least it’s the big staying within the region. Yeah, like, like I think they’re more pissed off about other Asians than, you know, say Americans that are just teaching English or something. So what political party do you think survives into Evangelion Times? Oh, the ldp, of course, the Liberal Democratic Party, which is weirdly not liberal.

But I’m just saying that because if they’ve been in power since 1954, why wouldn’t they be in Ava’s world as well? You know, the only time they were not in power in Japan was about 2009 to about 2012. Another party finally took power and then the, the 2011 earthquake, tsunami and Fukushima kind of like rattled the cages enough that people wanted to go back to the old party and they’ve been around since again because the old party caused the tsunami. Oh, you mean the one that was in power? No, they just didn’t. I guess he didn’t handle it as well as people wanted, which I mean it probably would have been the same if The LDP had also been in power, I’m sure then people would have been pissed at them.

But that’s just. That’s how politics works, right? You’re in charge of what happens. It’s your fault. Now it’s the Sami was your fault. Could the LDP have created that tsunami just to make the opposing party look bad? Ooh, maybe. Except they. You know, there were 200 year old warning saying, do not build your houses under this line. And then there were entire towns under that line. Those are the ones that got swept away. I mean, you’re talking to someone that’s lived in Florida their entire lives. Yeah. Where were. We were talking big stuff. So anyway, Ray, I guess we’ll probably get more into that.

So that. That, you know, gums up the whole. Certainly gives us more weird Oedipal stuff. So the other thing too was this point in which Oshka forces Shinji to kiss her. The first thing I thought of was like, oh my God, he’s gonna get his nosebleed all over her. But right before they kiss, she plugs his nose. I thought it was so genius. She’s smart now. Did she plug his nose because she knew he was gonna get a nosebleed or was it just a coincidence that she did that because he was breathing too hard? I think she.

Since she’s a student with him at school, she probably knows what’s up. I’m guessing this is like a common blood on me. There are kids. I don’t think it’s because of arousal or anything, but there’s kids where. Especially little ones where I’m like, you know, they’re. They get a nosebleed, like in half of my glasses. Is it. Is that a Japanese thing? Is there something about noses where you bleed more? I don’t know. I feel like. I don’t know if we’ve established that this is a. An anime thing, if not a Japanese anime thing. That. Yeah.

That young boys get nosebleeds whenever they get excited. My most notable nosebleed was at Boy scout camp. And that’s because. Might have been my dad even that was like tossing me the cap. And he’s one of those boy scout, like trucker cap for the brim is really like hard. You’re stiff. And he tosses it to me. I don’t catch it. Hits me like right square in the part of your nose that’ll make it start bleeding. From a hat. You know, hat with a really like. What do I have here? I got this. What is this? Oh, My hat’s stuck on here.

Oh, no. I think I come from a family of. Of huge, rugged noses. I don’t know if a hat would take any of us out. Yeah, yeah. This is pretty hard. I’m holding this main cap here and it hit me, like, right there, like right where the. Don’t reenact it. We don’t want to have any accidents. Yeah, well, it’s an anime podcast. I can, I can if I want to. People get the wrong idea if you just get a nosebleed out of. Out of nowhere. See, I just thought, well, it’s about more noticeable anyway, that he turns purple and then he turns green, so that’s fun.

And you just see his arms. That was interesting. During the, the kissing scenes, they show the, the. The arms of the. The non instigator because same with Wasada. You see her, like, holding, like, dropping her shoes or whatever. Also, she was wasted. That’s not a time to, to kiss the girl, really, if we’re being, you know, chivalrous again. This is 90s, right? So this was. This was pretty status quo for 90s. Oh, I was happy. Sorry, I’m changing. I’m changing a subject. You want to continue? Well, just. They didn’t know what it was actually going to be like in 2025.

Okay. I’m just. I was just saying that I was happy to see so much penguin in this episode and Shinji Shami again. As. As the kiss that’s happening, the penguins are like, whatever, and goes into its weird little penguin room. There’s an another thing too that’s supposed to be. I thought it was supposed to be this big reveal in the whole episode. They keep telling Shinji, you’re gonna find out the truth tomorrow. You’re gonna talk to your dad tomorrow. And then we cut and we see him basically, like, talking to his dad briefly and it’s like, okay, bye.

And I didn’t get, like, what was. What was the big ultimate truth that was revealed to Shinji? Did we just not see it? Was I just not paying attention? I guess they expected he was going to have more of a conversation with his dad. Also, like I said, it might be a little unfair, but we got the big truth. Yeah, we. I mean, we got the truth from Ray, but there was like, nothing actually revealed by the dad. So I don’t know. I. I was missing out on that because they kept saying over and over again, you know, everything’s going to change tomorrow.

You’re. The exact quote is, tomorrow you’re gonna find out the truth that seems like something big that’s going to be revealed. So maybe that was also an around the way allusion to Rey being a clone of Shinji’s mom. Yeah, like. Like I said, I think that like, they’re inferring it a little more, which I don’t know. That’s artistic, right? It’s much better in someone saying, oh my God, it’s a clone of your mom or something. You know, can. Honest question. Can Japanese people just let their dead ancestors be? Or is. Is there something where you’re just forever going to be entwined with all of your dead grandparents? Forever? Absolutely.

Forever entwined. Yes. Yes. You’re part of the village forever. We talked a few weeks ago about how when in Rome do as the Romans do and when in the village be be of the village are actually very different phrases despite being the correct translation. You know, all the subtleties change. I mean, isn’t there a certain point though, when you’re just like, oh, I’ll go, are we cloning our grandparents? No, that’s not normal. That’s weird. Okay, well, yeah, so they are taking it a step further. They’re cloning their parents. And also even the. The scientist, she is basically creating her mother inside of the AI so she’s also not letting her mom go.

Right. So it’s. They’re kind of enslaving their grandparents and their parents spirits and like weaponizing them. And Masato being like, I broke up with. I told you I had a new boyfriend, but I lied. I just couldn’t deal with the fact that you’re like my father, you know, so even everyone’s getting this parental stuff. We haven’t. We don’t know what Oscar’s deep, dark secret is yet. So, you know, maybe. Maybe that’s along those lines as well. We. We do not yet know. Is Shinji just a really the son or is he a clone of his dad? Well, see, that’s the funny thing because I feel like several episodes are his Shinji a clone.

And I and Ray Ray, I guess we didn’t know is part of the family. So we were like, oh, she’s just been heavily MKUltra. Which I guess if you’re the seventh clone or whatever, that’s kind of the same thing. I don’t know, man. I’ve. I mean, in multiplicity, I can’t remember. But it’s. Do they work? Is it. Okay, so. So the more clones he makes, the dumber they keep getting. It’s what’s. Because the clones keep Making clones. So the first one’s a little goofy and by the time we get to the fourth one, he’s, he’s, he’s, he’s doing like Sean Penn and I am Sam.

Okay, okay, so that, so that one was a generational thing. And it’s not like Gremlins where a bunch of mogwai get wet and then you just kind of have a bunch of random weird clones with their own traits. In that case, it was because the clones are cloned to clones. We don’t know what’s happening here yet. I did notice, of course the lighting was weird, but I’m pretty sure when we see that ray clone, which, okay, at the end, is that a new ray clone or are we getting a flashback? I think it’s a new ray clone, right? I mean, I don’t even know at this point.

I mean, how would you know? How would you know if it’s a new ray clone or not? I don’t. That’s what I’m asking. The lighting was weird, but I was like, I think she has brown hair, like light brown hair. It didn’t look gray. And I just found that interesting. Or the lighting was weird. So does that mean that the very first ray we see in the, the early part of the show where she’s all damaged and she’s in the hospital and on the mend and then she slowly gets better, does she really die? And they’re just re clone and we get a fresh one? That could be the case because she’s going to school.

Right. So it’s like she needs to look like she’s recovering as the clone is re cloning. I, I, you know, that that’s a little convolute. I’m still assuming she just got damaged in the suit and had to recover. And that’s, I mean, it, you know, making a clone sounds like a difficult thing to do. I don’t know. You know, this is the end times and this is the best chance that you have to survive an onslaught by the angels. I’ve. And there was that one scene, man, in the previous episode where they show like 12 rays, like all spread out across the screen.

And I understand that that was probably just also of like a visual effect, but it made me think like, oh, there’s probably at least 12. There’s at least a dozen of these rays already. That’s where the show does get artistic. I’m pretty sure that is what they wanted you to think when they showed that to you. Also. It’s a cool image. You know, and that was added in late. That whole Ray monologue was added in like late in production. So that was definitely. They would have been thinking more about this episode by this point. I never did the production stuff.

I’ll just blast through it. It’s. Kadekiano is credited with. Also Akio Satsukawa, who was really throwing in all the. In not generational. The relationship stuff seems to be a big thing for him. Yeah, it’s kind of blowing past. I guess the big thing we need to talk about is. Is Adam. Of course. Yeah. Adam’s bigger than we thought. Probably the coolest thing that we’ve seen the entire series up to this point. My opinion is this vision of Adam who’s the very first angel that they fight. And Adam’s got a weird Vega purple mask with seven eyes in it.

And then he’s kind of chopped off at the torso. And where it looks like entrails dangling down are actually the bottom half of a whole bunch of like 20 different little people or little gods or something. So it’s like a God made out of littler gods with just little feet dangling as if they were entrails. And then he’s crucified to a huge crucifix with his nails, you know, nail or his hands nailed into it. And then kind of like a spike that goes through his heart that nails him to it. That’s. And he’s got the spear.

Right. That’s what they’re talking about there. A few episodes there. Let’s go down to the spear, which we’re now going down and seeing. They didn’t tell us. Crucified angel. I believe it’s a bident. If we were to be very technical because it’s. It’s a two pronged weapon. Oh, okay. Anyway, it might. Again, the translation might be coming through a little funny. I mean, it’s kind of potato tomato in a little bit because a trident and a biden have been conflated. And a biden is really just a two pronged spear. So the origins of tridents and bidens are just spears.

So it could be like an umbrella term. But then. Let me throw it. Here’s another one. When you. When you heard the voiceover director. That was the American voiceover director saying that. Or the Japanese one in the very first episode. In the very first episode. Yeah. It was the American voiceover director that was saying that all of this was just kind of like made up on the spot to sound cool. Okay. I wonder if Anno is just gaslighting Everyone, because here’s a quote. According to the assistant director, Kazia Tsuramaki, the symbol of the cross and the Christian symbolism, President Evangelion, were primarily used for aesthetic reasons to differentiate it from other Mecca anime and give an exotic air to this series for Japanese target audience.

I’m like, I don’t know, man, that, that sounds wrong. Now. I feel like there’s. We’re finding enough in here that there’s some, you know, conscious thought in this stuff. It’s either that or the. This whole entire field of like kabbalistic magic and Nephilim angels coming down to earth. It invites so much speculation that you can just kind of throw a dart drunk and blind and still hit the side of a wall and someone will be like, ah, it was part of the plan the whole time. I feel like a little bit of that could be true as well.

But then I’m bringing up the Spear Longus again. Even if it’s double pronged or whatever, but it’s just like, you know, whoever wields a spear impregnated with the blood of Christ will control the world. So right now Nerve controls the world because they got the spear. Well, maybe, but, but Adam is not. At least I think they do. Adam is the first angel that fell, which would not be the same as. Okay, there’s, there’s some friction for. Yeah, I guess. Okay, maybe for a Japanese audience or like Adam, Jesus, whatever it’s from, it’s from Western. Okay, well, maybe.

But I think this is, that this is an important delineation if, if you have the chance. Because, for example, the Lance of, of Longinus, AKA the spear Destiny, with the Lance of Longinus. When, when Longinus stabbed Jesus and he got blood in his eyes, I believe it cured him of his blindness. I don’t know why someone gave a blind dude a spear, but he was there and he had really bad vision problems and the, the blood of Christ actually healed him. Every story. If you’ve got. I mean, I was raised Catholic. If you got a chance to drink the blood of Jesus, you’re supposed to do it because it’s got all kinds of crazy healing properties on it.

If you told me I’ve got Nephilim blood or fallen angel blood, I’m like, I’m not. I don’t want to get that thing anywhere near me. That sounds like the opposite of something that has healing properties. Oh, we got serious with the blood of Christ. I grew up Episcopal, and I do remember on a Christmas or two, being in the, the rooms back behind the, the main part of the church or whatever, you know, who are acolytes, you know, carrying the cross and stuff, but breaking out the bottles of port wine and having lots of the blood of Christ.

I didn’t know that they did transubstantiation too. It’s not transubstantiation. I think in Episcopal it’s considered brutally to be symbolic. Yeah, that’s the difference in Catholic. It’s like you are actually drinking the blood of Christ. Oh, yeah. No, the actual churches is like this is symb. Symbolic of the blood of Christ. They say a magic little incantation and then they jingle these little bells and that the moment you hear those bells ring is the. I was an acolyte, I got to ring the bell sometimes. So. But, but see, but there’s no magical incantation before it, so you’re just kind of compiling the same.

Not in Latin. That’s true. Yeah. Yeah. So. Well, it’s an Episcopal church. It’s just Henry one day went to divorce. Right. So new church. Let’s throw out some of the. The. I’m sorry to hear that. All, all that alcohol that you were just sinning and drinking in church and it was never actually the blood of. Of your God. I mean, port wine, I can’t drink wine now. Wine is headache fuel for me now. By the way, it’s a high bar. I think any religion that lets you drink the blood of their God, it sets a very high bar.

That’s. It’s hard to compete with other rel. Other religions don’t also let you do that. Like, what are they even doing? It almost sounds like a downgrade. The seven eyes for Adam. What do you want to equate that with? I mean, there’s no way that this is a positive angel and this is the original Adam or this is just the first angel. It’s not really clear. Did they just name the first angel Adam or is there actually a link to biblical Adam? It. See, okay, this is where maybe it’s. It is a little bit throwing biblical stuff at the wall because it seems that that was a leading question because it looks like they were thinking Book of Revelation stuff, you know, with the lamb with seven horns and seven eyes, that sort of thing.

Which I guess that makes sense as an angel coming and destroying. You know, the second impact was pretty world destroying. So. So that’s for sure. So Book of Revelations, this, the. The fur. The seal of the lamb with seven eyes is actually going to be called Adam because it’s the first angel that comes here. Even though I think book Revelation, the Four Horsemen is supposed to proceed. Anything else? So that seven trumpets. I don’t know. I haven’t read the book. This is David Koresh, like, classic. I mean, it would have been superior if somehow the writing team of Neon Genesis Evangelion had collaborated with David Koresh and incorporated his interpretations.

We’d have a true cult classic on our hands. Yeah. Okay, so let’s give Kazia Turamaki a little more credit when we see this amazing image at the end. They did just, like, you know, flip the Bible open to several very different pages and put that in. But it looks so cool. You know, I get. So he’s. He’s a little. Correct. We’ll give him that. Well, what part of the Bible is there a huge God made out of little dangly feet? My version of the Bible. Okay, good point. It. It had a very specific, like, Princess Mononoke feel to it.

I don’t know what the little dudes are called. And also in the. Was it Howl’s Castle? I think, also had little, like, white dudes that run around that just have, like, little feet, Send no Chihiro spirit away. Had him. So that is definitely a recurring motif, but Ghibli loves it. It’s cuter in Ghibli, though, isn’t it? Yeah. Well, this one, you don’t get the cute heads. This is just the little dangly feet, and they’re. They’re frozen in time. Like, they’re like. You can tell that everyone’s dead there, but you get. You get the idea that Adam isn’t a single organism.

Or if he is, he’s an aggregate of a whole bunch of littler things. So I don’t know. What was the little thing we saw several episodes ago that they called Adam? Was that a part of this? Is that a separate thing? Well, it was. It was like a fetus that immediately started growing once they disturbed it, I guess. And then the magma diver one. I’m talking about the one they had in the credit card case that they’re still in possession of, apparently. I. I figured that one was just sort of like a DNA sample or. I don’t know.

It could have been a homunculus. Yeah, maybe all the angels are. We don’t know yet that that’s the fun stuff. So. Okay, that’s not necessarily Christian stuff. That’s just interesting stuff. Marduk Institute, 108 fictional businesses. I’m just, you know, Marduk. Doesn’t Marduk feed children to the. To the fire or whatever? You you sacrifice children to Marta. Yeah. So they’re looking for the Ava pilot. So they’re kind of like, you know, sacrificing children to the angels. Marta gets conflated with Moloch because had these mock rituals, mlk, that involved basically human offerings. And at a certain point, after all the different religions collapse and after Rome takes down Carthage and destroys all their records and all their temples, you might as well call Marduk Moloch, because that’s kind of what they.

They forced them all into. They’ve ground them all into like a fine little powder and it’s hard to separate it all again. So I just thought that was a fun little thing, like the. The Marduk Institute is finding these pilots to sacrifice to the. To the angels. I don’t know. I mean, is this just them throwing darts blindly and just hitting things that we can connect because we’re just being schizophrenic about it. Maybe, but I feel like a lot of it does kind of properly connect. Makes the show at least seem deeper. I mean, we’re having conversations that seem a little deeper about it.

You know, it’s not like we’re just saying, look at that. We’re getting into it, you know, well, if we can watch a Kubrick movie or something and be like, oh, there’s this whole other story about Native Americans and moon landings, I guess you could do that with Evangelion just as easily, especially if you have biblical knowledge. Also at this point, Anno is. He has decided to take the show in a different direction and maybe is not being telling. Maybe he’s being like Kendo and not really keeping everyone abreast of what’s happening, you know, let’s see. So far, I don’t know, maybe.

Maybe they’re summoning like demonic entities in the background. And I wouldn’t know it because they’re doing it in Japanese or Chinese as Oscar would say. Oh, the last thing. One hundred and eight. That was. I think that was the number in loss. That’s the number here. You. You know more Mantria stuff than I do. Anything important about 108? I. I honestly don’t remember all the different numbers of Gematria. And, and specifically because there are so many Gamatria ciphers, I’m more interested in the mathematical aspect of it. But, like, there’s your ordinal, your septenary or Chaldean. You’ve got like all, like, Fibonacci sequences, keypad versions.

So usually when someone’s asking about Gematria, it’s either Going to be the. The Latin, the Hebrew or the. The ordinals like the English version and then the Chaldean. The Chaldean I believe they. They do up to six and then they skip. So every letters goes to six and then goes to the next one. Okay, this is trying to throw 108 under the microscope and see if it checks out for anything because it’s. I’ve encountered it in several series. Although lost my idea because someone liked Ava, you know. So I’m sure someone that’s listening or or watching in the comments can start dropping some 108 cipher.

I lord knows I do enough podcast with people that could just start draw if we had donut here. Donut could be just dropping non stop references to 108 right now. Yes, I. I will read your. I will read your 108 comment. They are invited for people that want to do that. So anything else you want to say? Like I said, this episode did I had like 10 tabs open. This episode seems to have a lot going on despite having no action. So what’s got. Yeah, I don’t care what. This had some of the coolest story development, but also you.

You kind of. By this point you have to be committed and engaged with the entire series to care about the cool scenes and to care about Adam at the very end. But man, if. If they led with the Adam instead of making him a REVEAL in episode 15, I would have been sold a little bit earlier to see the angel with the seven eyes and the weird entrails made out of feet. Oh, just one other thing. When we were doing this, one other thing that we considered and are not doing, folks, because there’s too many episodes was Full Metal Alchemist and just yesterday I was teaching a junior high class and there’s one girl completely obsessed.

They were supposed to introduce a character and write into English sentences and she was just. I had to like introduce her to terms like alchemy and homunculus in class yesterday. So we might get around to it. It’s just not to a. Yeah, but there’s two separate series that do different things and it’s a bit of a bear because apparently they made the one series before the manga was finished so it has a different ending. So later they made a completely new series that follows the manga like. Like specifically. So it’s that. That’s a tough nut to crack.

That’s. That’s why we’re here doing Ava. There’s I guess 28 episodes if we’re counting what is called the Complimentary ending. Was it complimentary? And there’s a really weird. I think we talked about this a bit, but there’s 26 episodes. Right. But then there’s the. Yeah, complimentary ending where they kind of do a second ending, so. And then a movie or two. Those are. Those are a retelling that were done more recently, which I guess we should do those two. It’s like four movies. But yeah, yeah, we’re gonna have to. But yeah. So the, The. The future of Cartoon Cabal might be more of cherry picking specific episodes from a bunch of different series.

I mean, we’ve got a list right now that probably has over a hundred episodes and they’re all from completely different series, so there’s plenty. That’s kind of my point because full mountains came up. I was like, yeah, that is something. I was like, I don’t know. I was sitting there, like, trying to help her with the English. I’m sitting there looking at wiki in class, you know, being like. I’m like, oh, wow. I’m introducing terms that we regularly talk about at a caught Disney and Cartoon Cabal. That’s fun. Oh, yeah. I mean, if. If you’re getting into Full Metal Alchemist, you’re looking into like Anoki and magic and John D.

And all kinds of cool topics like predominantly Western sort of occultism. Right. That’s not really prevalent as much. There. There are concepts of a homunculus in the east, but it’s more of a ethereal little golden man that you sort of mantra and meditate into existence and not some weird thing that you’re making out of like cow poop. The. The other girl in the class, I also had to do a wiki search of her because she wanted to do a character from an anime and this was kind of creepy. I’ll have to look up the title again.

It’s on my phone. But was I something? But yeah, it was like a idol singer who secretly has children and then her fans find out and get pissed and she’s murdered and the series continues with her children growing up. I’m like, that’s weird. But then I look at the photos and it’s all like super kawaii anime imagery. I’m like, okay, that looks weird. So, yeah, you know, Japanese kids definitely get into weird rabbit holes on. On anime. I mean, my daughter has too. So. Know, it’s interesting what. What the kids get into these days or that what the adults are writing into the kids programmings.

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